Packers Vs.Titans - 3 Plays That Make You Go Hmmm

Jersey Al picks out three thought-provoking plays from the Packers' game against the Titans.

After re-watching the Packers game, here are three plays that made me go hmmm, for various reasons.

This is the "Recent Gutey draft picks that have been deemed as "busts" or wasted picks" edition of 3 plays...

Rashan Gary: "He's a Bust"

Although he wasn't credited with a sack, this was probably Gary's most impactful game. He was around the quarterback all day, registering six quarterback hurries and making Tannehill very nervous. But that wasn't all. Savage registered 4 tackles, all of which were around or behind the line of scrimmage.This one especially caught my eye because of the perfect technique he exhibited, something we would not have seen last year or even earlier this season. He stays on the outside shoulder of the blocker on the edge, letting Henry know he can't bounce the run outside. As soon as he sees Henry make the expected inside cut, Gary violently disposes of the blocker and fills the hole to take Henry down for a one yard game. Keeping Henry from bouncing outside was a critical component of the Packers' plan to limit Henry from breaking off long runs. And it worked. Gary doesn't seem like much of a bust now and he will only get better.

 

Darnell Savage" "we overpaid"

Savage has been on tear the last five games or so and has the interceptions to prove it. But just as importantly, besides coming up with some turnovers, he's become much more consistent at all aspects of the safety position. His ascension has allowed the Packers to use Adrian Amos more in the box, where his solid tackling skills have been a boost to the run defense. This video actually shows back-to-back plays where Savage is responsible for causing two straight incompletions. First, he shows excellent coverage with a speedy break on the ball to knock it down. Then he comes on a well-disguised blitz, forcing Tannehill into a hurried and terrible throw. Savage has been affecting the game play after play, and he has been a big part of the defense's improvement the last month. Was giving up Pick #30 and two fourth rounders to draft Savage worth it? It's sure looking that way.

 

AJ Dillon: "a wasted pick"

We all watched Dillon turn some short gains into longer ones, we saw his touchdown runs, but did you take close note of this play? It's third and three, a down/distance where the Packers will choose to pass the majority of the time. Here, they hand it off to Dillon, who is met head on in the hole by a charging linebacker. Guess who wins that battle? Dillon crashes right through the linebacker and continues driving forward to get the needed first down yards. Dillon is pumped about it and Rodgers loves it just as much. Still think the Packers wasted their second round pick on Dillon?

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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canadapacker's picture

December 29, 2020 at 10:36 am

I loved that Dillon run - if you coulda seen me in front of the TV doing the big old fist pump - saying out loud that is why he was picked. Great selection - I love Jones - and he will break the odd run - but Dillon carries enough Mo to push our Oline guys and their linebackers back. Lovin it.

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GregC's picture

December 29, 2020 at 11:30 am

That run was a thing of beauty. I just watched it about six times in a row. I love the reactions of Dillon and Rodgers afterwards too.

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Gman1976's picture

December 29, 2020 at 07:27 pm

I love that run too, but loved the TD run up the gut even more when he runs thru tackles and runs over one defender who literally is bulldozed on his back and his head falls toward the end zone.

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Guam's picture

December 29, 2020 at 10:55 am

I was concerned about the Gary pick when it happened due to his lack of productivity in college. However stories about his excellent work ethic and his switch to a position that seemed better suited to his athletic abilities (OLB) were enough for me to not label him a bust in year one. Patience is being rewarded this year with his clear development as an impact player who was worth the #12 pick. I have high hopes for Gary as a potential All-Pro in the years to come.

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PeteK's picture

December 29, 2020 at 02:02 pm

Absolutely Guam, OLB is a very valuable and not easy to fill position in our D. I was worried because he lacked some quick moves, but his power and speed is proving to be enough. Does this spell the end for Preston in our search for cap relief?

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Guam's picture

December 29, 2020 at 03:00 pm

I think that answer is yes. Preston is playing better lately, but has not played to his contract this year and that makes him vulnerable. I think Preston, Lowery and Kirksey are all under performing their contracts to one degree or another.

TGR had some good news recently though and that is speculation that the salary cap may actually be $10-$15 million higher than previously expected. Not sure whether this is due to increased revenues for the NFL or some agreement between the NFL and NFLPA to average the 2020 loss over several years. However that will either take some pressure off player cuts or make the same cuts and have some money to sign free agents. The off-season will be interesting......

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PeteK's picture

December 30, 2020 at 11:41 am

HMMM, releasing those 3 players gives us almost 23 mill cap relief. A very interesting discussion for late Feb.

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murf7777's picture

December 30, 2020 at 07:34 am

Ah, Patience it’s a virtue:)

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croatpackfan's picture

December 30, 2020 at 11:26 am

An old chinese proverb: "from patience comes perfection"

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splitpea1's picture

December 29, 2020 at 11:11 am

I don't think most people thought Dillon was a wasted pick; fans were just impatient to see him in there for an extended period. If he can regularly convert those third-and-shorts, this offense is going to be unstoppable.

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Razer's picture

December 29, 2020 at 12:48 pm

I think you are right on with this remark. The impatience only got worse as the offensive playcalling avoided pounding the ball on those short yardage or goal-line situations. Good to see what's under the hood with Dillon.

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BradHTX's picture

December 29, 2020 at 01:13 pm

I dunno, guys... I think there’s some revisionist history going on here. There was a LOT of wailing and gnashing of teeth going on after the draft about taking a “third string at best when we already have Jones and Williams” RB in the second round rather than a WR. Not as much as about the first pick, but an awful lot.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

December 29, 2020 at 05:26 pm

This is spot on Brad. Nearly everyone was losing their minds with the Dillon pick, especially after Love.

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JerseyAl's picture

December 29, 2020 at 06:15 pm

Brad is correct. There was a plethora of pissin' and moanin' about all of the Packers' first three picks.

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Coldworld's picture

December 29, 2020 at 08:00 pm

Lol, it’s amazing how people forget we have memories

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PatrickGB's picture

December 30, 2020 at 01:30 pm

I am generally a wait and see kinda guy. Yet the one pick that really had me scratching my head was a third rounder for a fullback. I guess that I will have to wait until next year to put away my head and shoulders shampoo.

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Stroh's picture

December 29, 2020 at 05:27 pm

Most fans even on this site thought Dillon was a wasted pick because they have Jones and Williams. They then had to be reminded that both are FA after this season.

Even early in the season some persisted because he wasn't getting alot of work. Only now people are understanding the landscape and that Jones is likely playing out his Packers career.

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Coldworld's picture

December 29, 2020 at 11:29 am

Well said Al, and not got the first time. Perhaps more will be wise after it’s obvious, as usual.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 29, 2020 at 04:43 pm

Ah, so you acknowledge that it is not yet obvious. Not sure if we are talking about Gary or Dillon.

Again, we are dealing with strawman arguments (you folks must be on twitter far too much). It was apparent that Gary was not going to be a bust last season. His size and power are enough to play in the NFL. So, bust? No. Worthy of pick 12? Not so far.

Dillon had a good game. One of my buddies loved him as a prospect. Early days yet.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

December 29, 2020 at 05:44 pm

Worthy of pick 12? You want a top 10-15 draft pick to be able to take over games at times, and Gary has had some very key plays over the course of the season, causing turnovers, wrecking plays and holding the edge along with rushing. That's something the Smiths weren't doing. That kind of impact is absolutely worth a #12. There might be guys that have produced more sooner, but if you go by snap count he's one of the most productive young defensive players in the league.

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baldski's picture

December 29, 2020 at 06:18 pm

Yes, I agree. Gary might not get the sack numbers, but he is worth his weight in gold as a disrupter of offenses.

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murf7777's picture

December 30, 2020 at 07:37 am

I’m far from a Scout, but even before this game it was obvious to me he will put up some big rushing numbers for the Packers. Of course, barring injury.

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gkarl's picture

December 29, 2020 at 11:35 am

Al, Wonderful examples of why we has fan need to remain patient with our picks and give them time to develop. I hope sometime in the future you able to do one of these that highlights Jordan Love but the way AR is playing I 'm not thinking it will be anytime soon.

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CheesyTex's picture

December 29, 2020 at 02:25 pm

Maybe one of Al's future columns will spotlight EQ this same way. There was a nice exchange with #12 after his TD. If he can become a trusted weapon down the stretch, it's "Katie bar the door!"

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 29, 2020 at 03:59 pm

It's impossible for me to read "Katie bar the door!" without thinking of Roger Kent announcing at ringside as Vern Gagne finishes off Mad Dog Vachon with a flying dropkick.

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gkarl's picture

December 30, 2020 at 08:01 am

Or the dreaded "Oh, a knee to the guts" on poor old George "Scrap Iron" Gadasky

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Lphill's picture

December 29, 2020 at 11:38 am

Dillon was not a wasted pick he was a replacement pick , there is talk the Patriots are interested in Aaron Jones and Matthew Stafford , they have a ton of cap space. Its looking more and more like this will be Jones last regular season game as a Packer on Sunday.

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PeteK's picture

December 29, 2020 at 06:33 pm

Good point, replacement pick because both of our backs were going to be free agents. Sad to see that happen as he was a great development 5th round pick for us . I will miss his low to the ground juking moves, but the cap must be obeyed.

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croatpackfan's picture

December 30, 2020 at 11:38 am

I believe it is lazy and disrespectfull not to check how to spell someone's name or family name, while trying to discuss that person values, qualities, possibilities etc.

It is DILLON, not Dillion or Dylan or whatever somebody wrote.

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PeteK's picture

December 30, 2020 at 11:52 am

" Oh mama , can this really be the end , to be stuck in a blog with misspelled blues again"

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stockholder's picture

December 29, 2020 at 12:11 pm

I was the most critical. Guilty! I admit it. But let me say Gary was picked when we had the Smiths. Richardson was not signed. Also Daniels was on the outs. Savage - Was not rated as high as Gary. There were better safeties on the board. Dillion- The factor here was Lacy. Remember the weight problems. Back to= Gary: So with two failures in Nick Perry and Datone Jones. BG Guts? Savage - He uses extra picks on a guy that has taken longer then others to show up. Great learning Curve! But lets not forget HA HA Dix and his decline. Dillion - I'm all for a RB. I was for Lacy too. But looking at what BG drafted later. You bet Dillion was a head scratcher too. Especially when Chinn was there, and he drafted a Safety and LB Later. Yes BG drafts his Loves. But in the meantime nothing else was fixed. If it wasn't for #12. I guarantee nobody would have been patient. And looking at all the factors. Wilkins was his best pick.

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Coldworld's picture

December 29, 2020 at 01:31 pm

No, nothing has been fixed since Gute took over a threadbare roster. Clearly it’s not changed one iota. Sorry no sarcasm font.

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CheesyTex's picture

December 29, 2020 at 02:30 pm

But there is a #12, and it is hard to argue with success.

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stockholder's picture

December 29, 2020 at 03:23 pm

The intangible: Players want to make it in the NFL. Some just think because their drafted they made it.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

December 29, 2020 at 03:25 pm

Mr stockholder:
Yes, Lacy was heavy. But he carried most of that weight around his waist. More fat, less muscle.

Dillon (not Dillion) is a beast, with lean waist and big muscles. Totally different from candy-loving Lazy Lacy.

I appreciate Lacy having a couple of great years in Green Bay. But the lack on continuity was totally his fault. There was even talk that teams had built in clauses in his contract about his weight and eating habits. He could have been great, but it was his choice not to.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 29, 2020 at 07:50 pm

There's an well-written piece out there on Eddie Lacy. His family was displaced by Hurricane Katrina, and homeless for a period of time, then lived with relatives. Food insecurity was very real in his world.

To call him "lazy" I think is unfair at best, and really an oversimplification of what happened to him. I recall 12 singing his praises as a rookie, and how he played well on that messed up ankle.

Here's the story if you're interested:

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/20756278/seattle-seahawks-ed...

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HighPlainsDrifter's picture

December 29, 2020 at 11:25 pm

Calling Eddie "lazy" is not only unfair, it is disgusting and despicable. I guarantee you that Eddie has accomplished more in his life than the scumbag insulting him ever has, or will.

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Coldworld's picture

December 30, 2020 at 08:48 am

I liked Lacy as a player and he seemed a good person. I don’t know if he had congenital issues, physical or psychological. The story cited up above is interesting but by no means unique however. A lot of football players have come from significant adversity.

The fact is, Lacy was good and could have had a long career. For whatever reason he was not able to capitalize on his talent. A shame for him and for the Packers. It has, however, zero relevance to Dillon , or indeed Henry and many other big backs. Ultimately, it’s up to any player to take control of his asset. Lacy seemingly was unable to do that and thus had a far shorter career than his talent promised.

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HighPlainsDrifter's picture

December 30, 2020 at 09:30 am

Adversity effects different people in different ways. Just because one person is able to overcome it does not mean that someone else can.

The bottom line is that the scum like PewAuk who call Eddie fat or lazy are the real losers in life. They are not fit to shine Eddie's shoes.

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Bure9620's picture

December 29, 2020 at 09:51 pm

Dylan is also a gun rat, very different work ethic. ANY okay can gain bad weight

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Bure9620's picture

December 29, 2020 at 09:52 pm

Dillon is also a gym rat, very different work ethic. ANY okay can gain bad weight

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HighPlainsDrifter's picture

December 29, 2020 at 11:39 pm

"Lazy Lacy"? I'll bet you're tipping the scales at about 350lbs while consuming a twelve pack a night.

I'd love to know what you, Mr. PewAuKee, have accomplished in your pathetic life, because I guarantee you that Mr. Lacy has accomplished more.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 29, 2020 at 05:26 pm

No comparison btw Lacy and Dillon. Dillon is chiseled and definitely is a smart guy.. His game is way better than Lacy's and his determination will move his career in an ascending curve. He is more closely compared to Dorsey Levens.

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Stroh's picture

December 29, 2020 at 06:55 pm

Your alleged facts here are plain wrong, as usual with you.

First Savage was thd highest rated Safety in the draft.

Second Datone Jones was drafted as a DL. He was moved to OLB after playing 3 years on the DL with no impact. He had to drop 30 lbs or more to play OLB.

Dillon was a head scratcher only for you because you couldn't understand at the time that Jones was not going to be resigned. Having a big power RB is extremely important and helpful as you get into Nov and Dec.

Wilkins wasn't even picked by Gutey and either way he hasn't performed better than Gary! Pettine's D wants pass rushers, not run stuffing only DL.

Just wrong on about everything in your comment. Can't really expect different from you since you've lost touch with the NFL!

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stockholder's picture

December 30, 2020 at 08:53 pm

#1 No- Juan Thornhill was the top rated Safety. I would have drafted him first. He made the All - Rookie team. #2. Datone Jones was drafted for the DL. And if you want a OLB, you draft one! #3 Dillion wasn't a bad pick. But your just plain Wrong, if you think BG wanted Jones to walk. Dillion should not have been picked/// per BPA..( Not that we didn't need a short yardage back.) Currently, he still is a Part Timer. !!!!! #4. Wilkins would have replaced Richardson. Plus Salary!! ( And been the fix for Daniels leaving.) Yes, Gary was picked. Possible Bad shoulder and all. My loyalty is to the Packers. I'm happy to see our players do better then their comparisons.

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JerseyAl's picture

December 29, 2020 at 08:36 pm

Stock, you are so all over the place, it's really hard to follow what the points are you're trying to make.

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stockholder's picture

December 30, 2020 at 09:53 pm

To the Point.- My points are not one of anger. The Rush to judgement is quick. To many take my points as negativity. I do care.

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wildbill's picture

December 29, 2020 at 12:29 pm

My biggest concern, about the Gary pick, was the transition to a new position. I thought he was being moved to the “elephant” position. Other than Peppers, a once in a generation talent, whenever we moved a big body into that position they did not perform well. It’s so hard to change positions, and then add the transition from college to pro, that we were putting a lot on his plate. In spite of much negative press, and the transition issues, I feel Gary has really busted his butt and I can see why the coaches were so excited to get him.

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PeteK's picture

December 29, 2020 at 02:44 pm

Yes, I forgot about that Bill. I even wrongly thought that he should gain weight to become a DE in our 3-4 D. I'm am also guilty of wanting instant gratification with an upper first round pick when patience is needed.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 29, 2020 at 05:56 pm

Gary can play two-point or hand on the ground. I would use him both ways. The elephant has changed since Tony Bennett and the Doctor of Defense, Hank Bullough's version. The corners can hardly press the five yard buffer zone w/out a ref making believe they are working an intramural flag league game. He took on DBL and triple teams @ Big Blue and let Winovich or Uche clean up. He is just getting through the injuries and ready to rumble.

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mnbadger's picture

December 29, 2020 at 12:29 pm

Great call Al on all three players. I've been skeptical, waiting for the emergence to happen. So glad it is and is it ever! I remember yelling "He's still Going!" during AJD's 3rd down run. That was a punishing run by a very strong man. GPG.
When or hopefully IF this run ends, it's been a great run this year. Way way more than I would have ever expected out of a season in serious doubt. GPG

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Tundraboy's picture

December 29, 2020 at 01:53 pm

Yes, been a long time since we've had a punishing RB. This game showed just how valuable that can be.

I haven't been this confident in a pair of backs, honestly since Brockington and Lane, perhaps Edgar and Dorsey.

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PeteK's picture

December 29, 2020 at 02:48 pm

Or just Ahman Green, who was Mr inside and outside rolled up into one.

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Stroh's picture

December 29, 2020 at 07:00 pm

Damn right Ahman could do it all. Break contain and go 90 yds. Run over ILB. excellent receiver and blocker. Speed and power running.

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wildbill's picture

December 30, 2020 at 09:08 pm

I loved watching Brockington and Lane, what a pair of bruisers! Almost as much fun to watch as Taylor and Hornung

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PeteK's picture

December 29, 2020 at 02:55 pm

Yes, and I believe we are deeper and more varied on offense than last year. This year's team would have fared much better against Niners.

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Coldworld's picture

December 30, 2020 at 08:55 am

I think last week’s defensive approach would have helped considerably, but having a physical threat on offense, as the 49ers did is a big component to be missing against a team playing as they did.

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SugarCain's picture

December 29, 2020 at 12:40 pm

I don’t understand all the Anti-Gutey talk. This is the best Packer team since 2011 and it is all because of Gutey! Gutey went out and got Lafluer and then drafted players to adapt to the Lafluer System.
Jenkins, Jaire, Savage, Gary, Dillon—all studs and then Gutey goes out and gets unknowns—Tonyan, Lazard, Raven Greene, Runyon, Barnes, Martin. Plus Gutey is much more active in free agency than TT.
And no one knows how good Love will be—by 2023 he may be the next superstar that keeps Packer Nation great until 2030s!

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GregC's picture

December 29, 2020 at 02:07 pm

Actually it was Mark Murphy who hired LaFleur, and this team still has a lot to prove, but I agree that Gutey appears to know what he is doing.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 29, 2020 at 06:17 pm

Ah, actually not. The LaFleur hiring was one of the many messy situations that the executive committee left to Gute to clear up. Turnout all right, but things could have gone south big time...

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Stroh's picture

December 29, 2020 at 07:10 pm

Wrong. Gutey was involved in the hire of LaFleur because he has to work closely with him. But LaFleur was Murphy's hire and the executive committee was not very involved in hiring LaFleur. It was Murphy first and foremost with some input by Gutey.

To help illuminate you ESPN article by Demovski, "Packers' Mark Murphy hits a 'home run' with Matt LaFleur, Brian Gutekunst hires."

Go read it, it will clearly be informational to you!

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Coldworld's picture

December 29, 2020 at 08:12 pm

No. Incontrovertibly it was Murphy. You keep repeating this line which is clearly not based In any reality and easily verified as such.

Gute is not in control of Murphy. Gute does not control Ball. Gute is not LaFleur’s boss and he did not hire LaFleur.

Don’t take my word for it, it’s out in the public domain for all to see.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 30, 2020 at 10:30 am

The events that had Gute hired As GM over the objections of Murphy happened. Both Gute and Bob Harlan confirmed it openly, on the record through both radio and press reports. We don't know why Murphy refuse to hire a GM, the most critical front office position in Green Bay for three years. Those are questions that will have to wait till he retires. Gutes hiring in its self was an incredible turn of events for this organization. We know the what and the how, but we don't know the why, and why is important. As for Rob 'dropping' an article on ESPN Wisconsin that reads like an 1265 press release. (On Xmas eve no less) It is what it is. Reporting is all about access, giving the way and when he dropped the article this sure looks like an old style favor done. Guys, forget the PR and look at the actions of all in involved. If either of you can show another reasonable series of events, I'm all ears. So far no one has. Still, there are a lot of questions to be answered.

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PeteK's picture

December 29, 2020 at 02:51 pm

Feels good to know that we have a young QB who is learning and not being rushed into a situation.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 29, 2020 at 06:09 pm

Don't forget Dafney. They will need him big time down the stretch to create power off tackle and handle the TE/FB interplay. He had a nice snag on the swing pass. Gotta bring power to the playoffs.

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Coldworld's picture

December 29, 2020 at 08:14 pm

I see it as a good sign that they are working Daffney into the game plan to this degree. They must like what he brings. He could be another great in season pick up if so.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 29, 2020 at 09:00 pm

He plays with energy, a better player than Lovette.

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Swisch's picture

December 29, 2020 at 12:58 pm

After witnessing Savage and then later King blitzing effectively for the Packers, it was music to my ears when Cris Collinsworth said something like, "The Packers now seem willing to blitz from just about everywhere."
(Please feel welcome to correct me on this, or anything else below.)
It would be an interesting article to break down the blitzes from the Titans game, how many there were, from whence they came, and who was sent forth to harass the opposing quarterback. How did the blitzing work out overall?
It would be wonderful if that analysis would help to confirm my impression that Pettine is starting to mix things up on defense (in general) to keep the offense guessing -- and allowing our young guys to be turned loose from time to time to play aggressively.
The blitzes have to be fun for our defense, and fun too the opportunity for our secondary to be challenged with one-on-one coverage. That's got to energize guys to play hard throughout the whole game.
We don't want to be reckless, but to pick our spots based on the opponent and the game situation. We want to play hard and smart, aggressively but under control.
I can live with an occasional mistake, like the long touchdown run by Tannehill that was caused by too much attention on Henry. It was better than watching Henry run amok throughout the game. Plus, we can learn from those mistakes to make fewer and fewer.
All-in-all, my kudos to coach Pettine, as well as to our defenders. If we keep up the creativity, the energy, the toughness, and the focus, it will be a lot of fun to watch our defense make progress week to week -- perhaps enough to help win us a Super Bowl as early as this season.

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Minniman's picture

December 29, 2020 at 01:21 pm

Credit where credit is due - Mike Pettine delivered an A+ defensive game plan against Tennessee.

Same again please Mike for the Bears.

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PeteK's picture

December 29, 2020 at 03:01 pm

I never questioned Pettine's conservative blitzing. Other things yes.He seems to have a good plan with blitzing DBs. I remember a big play in the Seattle playoff game with Alexander.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 30, 2020 at 02:48 pm

He was running these blitz schemes more frequently in 2018 when they lacked pressures. We've seen these dogs before. Keep the QBs thinking about them coming from anywhere. Martin and Kirksey off the inside gaps.

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Stroh's picture

December 29, 2020 at 07:13 pm

In the Tenn game plenty of blitzes were run blitzes not only the pass rush type.

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Swisch's picture

December 29, 2020 at 09:01 pm

I'm glad to know about the run blitzes, Stroh. Thanks.
I was hoping Pettine would call some of those -- but even while enjoying the Packers containing Henry, I didn't know how they were doing it (although they seemed to have a lot of guys at the line of scrimmage).
Actually, I'd like to learn more about run blitzes -- another possible article for CheeseheadTV.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 29, 2020 at 09:03 pm

Watching Adams play for Carroll is the blueprint, just like the Honey badger--create disruption. Make the QB hold a count.

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Stroh's picture

December 29, 2020 at 11:25 pm

Stopping Henry was mostly playing base D with 3 DL and 2 OLB, creating what amounts to a 5 man front and 2 ILB. That is the quintessential 34 D. They even used a handful of 4 DL tho not often. Without actually studying the film which I don't have access to, its hard to know how often run blitzes were called. I would guess maybe 10-12 occasions. Mostly they did it using the base 34 D, which as I stated creates a 5 man front with 2 ILB.

I think the run D is mostly improving by being more gap conscious and to some degree by the improved ILB play.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 30, 2020 at 02:56 pm

Right on the money, Stroh. The 4-2 looks are also a better front. I just hope we never see a two man front again in Packerland. Shooting the DBs creates a faster path to the QB/Handoff. Two birds with one stone, but the blitzer has to make the tackle. The Smith Bros. seem to understand their responsibility to hold the edge # one, then hunt the passer.

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Hematite's picture

December 29, 2020 at 12:59 pm

I've been on Gary's case since his days at Michigan.
I'm starting to see something in him now and things are looking up.
I'll get off his case now.
Hopefully he keeps racing that engine.
Go Pack Go!!!

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JerseyAl's picture

December 29, 2020 at 06:20 pm

Ohio State fan?

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murf7777's picture

December 30, 2020 at 08:20 am

Probably Michigan since OSU doesn't need to think about or worry about Michigan for the past decade.

Many felt he was a reach due to his lack of stats at Michigan. The reality is there were numbers of sites listed him in their top 10 draft picks, many so called experts did think his potential was very high and worthy of the #12 pick. Nice to see patience is paying off.

The one thing I like most about Gary is that he is determined and willing to put in the extensive effort to succeed. With that and his extreme athletic ability the sky is his limit.

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ricky's picture

December 29, 2020 at 01:08 pm

Remember when Davante Adams was a "bust"? When there were a lot of people doubting he'd make the team after a down sophomore year? How many people doubted Rodgers? A Tedford product; a "product of a system, who'd never be anything compared to Favre. Last season it was Billy Turner who was seen as not being worthy of keeping around. Sometimes it takes a while for some guys to develop. Sometimes it takes a while for some guys to adjust to new surroundings. And all the time, it's better to wait and see, rather than give up on a guy after one season. However, if a guy doesn't show any improvement in two or three years? Time to admit you made a mistake and move on.

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PeteK's picture

December 29, 2020 at 03:04 pm

Every team has a few, and they're thankful for not fully guaranteed contracts. Haskins, case in pt.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 29, 2020 at 06:28 pm

Nobody wanted him in D.C. except for the con man at the top.

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stockholder's picture

December 29, 2020 at 03:39 pm

Adams was a Boom or Bust. He dropped a lot of Balls his Rookie year. And Nobody respected him like now. He's worked hard and got faster. Tony Mandrich? Now that was a BUST.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 29, 2020 at 06:38 pm

BUST was his middle name. The gap between what was expected and what he did was epic. No one could ever come close. Maybe Ryan Leaf.

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PeteK's picture

December 29, 2020 at 06:38 pm

SI's from Incredible Hulk to incredible Bust. The dark days for Packer fans, but we've been back for awhile.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

December 29, 2020 at 07:16 pm

Adams was never boom or bust. Read some of his draft profiles. He was already an accomplished route runner and he and Carr were a prolific due in college. He was always expected to be productive in the NFL; maybe not fast enough to be a true #1 but expected to excel and produce. The fact he had some drops as a rookie means zip in terms of boom or bust. He simply got injured his sophomore year and now we know that an ankle injury badly hampers probably the best jump off the line of scrimmage of any WR in the NFL.

The only "nobody" who did not respect Adams game was clueless GB fans who had no idea what Adams could do.

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Coldworld's picture

December 30, 2020 at 09:03 am

Adams was a developmental pick. As always there is a question whether such players will blossom. That’s not the same as a boom or bust, it’s the bread and butter of NFL roster building. Very few players are the finished article leaving colleges.

Adams was talented, skilled but needed time and subsequently showed he wanted it and has surpassed his perceived ceiling by far.

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fastmoving's picture

December 29, 2020 at 02:01 pm

Great stuff Al!
Other than that you can never please the the "all is lost, fire them all, we are doomed, just soft and busts" crowd. They just like to complain about everything. Even we win it all, they will be afraid of next season, would blame it on luck and point all rhe prime years we waste. This guys would hire looosers like Ditka or Rex Ryan just because they think they hard. Never knew what that should mean. They are kind of a crybaby cult.

One way or another, we had two good seasons and there may be good things ahead of us.

Gutes draft look better by the day and Love was a logical pick as well

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PeteK's picture

December 29, 2020 at 03:22 pm

"People are people , so why should it be" Love your positive outlook Fastmoving, but I would think logic dictates a pick that can help us win now especially with an aging HOF QB. That's why there is so much controversy over this pick. To me it was more foresight because good QBs are difficult to find especially for winning teams. I was surprised , but understood and liked the Love pick. Especially now that our TE, WRs, RB and D are developing.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

December 29, 2020 at 07:22 pm

Favre played 3 more years after the Rodgers pick. And it's a damn good thing TT picked Rodgers when he did, b/c it was a chance to grab a great players. How is this any different? If Rodgers plays 3 years and then Love is ready to take over, then GB may not have to go all the way into the toilet, like N.E. or DEN or others that went all in for a title.

With the way GB is playing, how can you argue what Gutey is doing at this point? How would a rookie this year have helped this squad that much? How many chances will GB have to pick a top QB when they usually pick at the bottom of the draft?

I agree with you; he had a darn good reason for the Love pick, and even if wrong, he is right way more often than wrong. That's the best you can do in the NFL.

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Bure9620's picture

December 29, 2020 at 09:58 pm

Correct, no Rookie available at pick 30 would make lick of difference this year. Gute plans 3 years out

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Coldworld's picture

December 30, 2020 at 09:17 am

I keep wondering what the chorus would be if Rodgers suffered a career ending injury or suddenly decided he had played long enough.

I’m not convinced that the anti Love pick crowd would be silently grateful for Boyle. In that situation, the worst thing to do is be forced to reach for a QB in the draft. Not only does that run the risk of being forced to take the best available from a limited stock, but it means no time to refine. Those who remember Rodgers when he first arrive will understand that he improved a lot before he finally took over.

No guarantee Love is the successor, but it would be negligent for a GM not to plan for all, not just favorable, eventualities. If they are right about Love, they and we hit the jackpot either in a franchise QB fit the next ten years or a bunch of picks in the future. If they are wrong, we probably wouldn’t be notably better today and we probably still end up with picks or time to bring on another.

The cost of the Love pick is worth it to avoid being Chicago or myriad other teams. There are no guarantees in football. What Gute did was try to tip the odds that this franchise doesn’t revert to the 80s. Expect that approach to continue and be thankful we have a GM who is trying to look after our future. Personally, I hope he succeeds, but at least he has had the wisdom to try when an opportunity presented itself based on scouting assessments and the run of the draft.

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Stroh's picture

December 29, 2020 at 11:40 pm

Actually Farve played 6 years after Rodgers was chosen. 3 more in GB with Rodgers as backup, 1 yr with the NYJ and finally 2yrs in Minn.

I would give Love 2 more yrs as Rodgers backup before moving forward with Love. Of course that is dependent on Love making the progress necessary to convince Gutey and LaFleur that he is capable and deserves to be the starter. I don't think its an absolute given Love becomes the next starting QB. He'll have to show that he deserves and has earned it. It's still possible Rodgers could play 3-5 yrs in GB. Its up to Love to prove himself IMO.

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HighPlainsDrifter's picture

December 30, 2020 at 12:35 am

Looks like "the "all is lost, fire them all, we are doomed, just soft and busts" crowd" (more accurately described as buffoons) are more than willing to down vote fastmoving, but are too cowardly to post a reply arguing against him.

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NitschkeFan's picture

December 29, 2020 at 03:25 pm

Though there are several Troll's on this site, I am definitely not one of them. But let's pump the brakes before putting Dillon in the H-O-F. He has had one good game.

I think he could become an excellent RB. And as someone mentioned earlier in this thread he was a "replacement" pick as both our starting RB's are in the last year of their contract.

My only real disagreement with the Dillon pick is that he was taken in the 2nd round. At that spot you better develop into the NFL rushing champion (a la Derrick Henry another 2nd round pick).

Aaron Jones == 5th round
Jamaal Williams == 4th round

Rookie and UDFA James Robinson already has 1,070 yards. So there is another recent example of not needing to use a high draft pick to find a quality RB. And there are many many more examples like that.

I am sure some people "hated" the pick, but many of us like picking up a talented RB knowing we would likely lose one or two of our starters. It is not an unreasonable position to think a good RB could be picked up later in the draft. Especially with holes at DL, ILB, RT and WR going unfilled in the first 4 rounds.

Loved AJ's game and hope to see many many more like that one.

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MarkinMadison's picture

December 29, 2020 at 03:38 pm

Could they have gotten lucky with a late round or UDFA at RB? Sure. But how many guys are out there with Dillon's combo of size (245 lbs. +) and speed (low 4.5s)? Lacy was smaller, slower and weaker. If you are sure a guy is going to be a hit, then somebody else is probably thinking the same thing. You take him where you value him. You don't gamble on a late round guy, especially when you have two RBs on expiring contracts and you want to revive a running game that was all but dead two years ago.

And look at what Gutey got. A running back that is a legitimate threat on 3rd and 3 with the box loaded. Seriously, when is the last time we saw that from a RB in a Packers uniform? Show me the tape of Eddie Lacy driving a LB backwards for three yards. And think of the play action opportunities that this will create.

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PeteK's picture

December 29, 2020 at 04:00 pm

Let's give some credit. Lacy had very nimble footwork for a big back and plowed over tacklers once he broke through the hole. What a shame. However, I was also happy to see Dillon catch the ball. Now onto blocking.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 29, 2020 at 06:31 pm

He sure as hell would not have been around for the three pick.

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PeteK's picture

December 29, 2020 at 03:45 pm

Nitsche, Mcaffrey and Barkley need to have a word with you, and be careful OJ is lurking somewhere. I don't think a runaway freight train has any brakes. LOL " Drafting is but a walking shadow, a poor player , that struts and frets his hour upon the stage."

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NitschkeFan's picture

December 29, 2020 at 04:18 pm

Pete and Mark, no doubt most of the best RB's are picked high in the draft (like most of any position, 1st rounders make up a high percentage of the All-Pro's). I agree with you on that point. Recent years selections were all 1st and 2nd rounders, McCaffrey, Henry, Dalvin Cook, Gurley, Barkley. And many many more, I don't think we need to go all the way back to OJ :)

My point is that a "good" RB can be obtained later in the draft, not necessarily an All Pro.

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HighPlainsDrifter's picture

December 30, 2020 at 12:44 am

You seem to forget Lacy plowing over the Vikings tackler and later saying that guy made a "business decision", implying that was a poor decision.

Honestly, the revisionist history regarding, and cowardly criticism of, Eddie is truly pathetic.

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PeteK's picture

December 30, 2020 at 12:55 pm

Yes Nitschke, especially when you already ( being cautious) seem have the position filled with a good back.

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Coldworld's picture

December 29, 2020 at 08:25 pm

Williams is a good all round back but he has turned himself into an asset. He is not a premier starting back. Jones is one who slipped through the cracks, which does happen. He turned out to have more vision and suddeness than anticipated that compensated for his size and lack of top end.

Dillon is an athletic freak who can not only run but did do in college over and over and at 247 pounds. Moreover, the Packers picked up that he had hands when many thought otherwise. Those types are potential game changers. They don’t make it to UDFA or late rounds. If you find a player who you think can be a true difference maker you take him. They are rare. Hopefully his desire matches his attributes, but he could turn out to be a steal if he really is a Henry who can catch.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 29, 2020 at 09:10 pm

Do the fans even watch college games?

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baldski's picture

December 29, 2020 at 06:07 pm

A.J. Dillon's RAS(Raw Athletic Score) at the combine was 9.61. That is off the charts. Another pick by Gutekunst that was off the charts with the RAS was Rashan Gary. Way to go, Gutey.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 29, 2020 at 06:31 pm

Nice pickup Al. The common factor in all of this, is Gute as GM. I shudder to think where the Packers would be today without him....

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 29, 2020 at 09:08 pm

I will always give McCarthy credit for stonewalling the russ ball move as a GM candidate.

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PeteK's picture

December 29, 2020 at 06:46 pm

Let's not forget that Gute also signed a released free agent by the name of Tonyan. I must admit that I thought he would have trouble making the team this year.

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Coldworld's picture

December 29, 2020 at 08:26 pm

Lazard too. He has added value from the street well beyond reasonable expectation.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

December 29, 2020 at 07:10 pm

I actually liked both the Dillon and Savage picks and was less than enthralled when Gute picked Gary at 12. The one pick I with which I was and remain disappointed over is the first rounder used on Love and trading up to get him. I see the same two shortcomings in Love's college play that plagued Colin Kaepernick which is a lack of accuracy and slow to read a defense. I realize I'm not a general manager and am merely looking at things as an avid Green Bay Packer fan. Thus, I hope I am dead wrong on what I think I am seeing regarding Love's potential.

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Coldworld's picture

December 29, 2020 at 08:39 pm

Maybe you are right, but maybe it’s fixable even if so. As I’ve said before, Love is a gamble ( any QB is) but if you can get one with upside and have the luxury to develop when you don’t see a better value pick, one could trade down or one could take that QB. They took the QB. Reputedly once Jefferson was taken.

If Rodgers got hurt he is insurance, they obviously believe they can improve him to a better value proposition in that time. If Rodgers is still doing what he is now, it’s like banking the pick for the future at worst.

I have no idea what Love’s career will be. I do t know how coachable he is (a big factor in this plan). I do not think it’s necessarily starting for us or a waste. There are other outcomes. I cant at this point say it was the wrong move.

I remember what Rodgers looked like in his first year. I can’t help wondering what his trajectory would have been like if he’d been thrown in as a starter on many of the teams that are often cited as having screwed up by passing on him. It worked out great for us and him.

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murf7777's picture

December 30, 2020 at 08:09 am

Ferrari, I understand your side of the Love pick debate. I'm on the side that you take your shots at getting the next franchise QB when you don't need one.

I have no idea if Love will work out, but if you just look at his 2nd year when he had the same coach, experienced OL and WR's which were all lost for his 3rd year he looked very, very good. That said, your opinion of his abilities were there in his third year. As CW states, can they be fixed? If so, he might be a diamond in the rough similar to Tua and Hurts so far.

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PeteK's picture

December 30, 2020 at 11:31 am

Ferrari, Kaep was mainly a running QB in college out of the Pistol O. He threw 20 TDs and gained a thousand rushing yds 3 times. This skill set remained the same in the pros, as he was thrown into the fire in his second year. Love is a passer first (32 TDs -6INTs in 2018) with some running ability.

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pacman's picture

December 29, 2020 at 10:35 pm

And none other than Cowherd said Sundays win was a victory for the GB front office. True, but it seems the guy just can't bring himself to compliment Packers players directly. He's been dis'ing AR so long, is love to see him apologize after we win the SB.

But first we have to stomp all over the Bears the same way we did Ten. This was just 1 game. Let's show it was not a fluke due to the snow.

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