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Packers Vs. Vikings: First Impressions

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Packers Vs. Vikings: First Impressions

My immediate thoughts on the Packers - Vikings game without the benefit of a rewatch. 

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The Packers are clearly going with a two-headed punch at running back today. Ty Montgomery gets the start, Aaron Jones takes over on the second series.

Everything that could possibly go wrong, has. And by that, that means Aaron Rodgers leaving the game.

The Packers will need to lean on a heavy rushing attack now more than ever without Rodgers. The tandem of Ty Montgomery and Aaron Jones has never been more important.

Justin Vogel's worse punt of the season couldn't have come at a better time. This football team is imploding in Minnesota.

It's going to be great when a healthy Aaron Rodgers returns to this very same stadium in Minnesota for Super Bowl 52.

Playing cornerback in the NFL is virtually impossible. Seems like 93 percent of all deep passes end up in defensive pass interference calls.

In no situation should the Packers have Josh Hawkins and Lenzy Pipkins on the field at the same time, but that's where they're at right now halfway into the second quarter.

Being down by four at halftime without Aaron Rodgers is a credit to the coaching staff.

Broken right collarbone for Aaron Rodgers. Packers announce he's likely to miss the rest of the season, and that's all she wrote.

It felt right this season. Aaron Rodgers seemed more relaxed than ever, he was beginning to pick up steam and play at a high level. Now, it's over.

2017 is in the hands of Brett Hundley now and a Dom Capers-coached defense.

This season is going to be a tough one, so buckle up. All may depend on whether or not surgery is needed for Rodgers' collarbone.

I'd type out every single injured player the Packers are currently housing, but that might take a long time. Incredible that this team is only losing by 10.

A miserable day in Minnesota is capped off. The bye week can't come fast enough.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

I know it shocking to loose Aaron Rodgers and it messes with the game plan. But MM utterly failed to set up Hundley for success and put himself at risk of lossing both QBs. I've been worried about when he would revert back to McStubborn and he picked a terrible time. I just hope we get the McCarthy who game planned for Flynn against New England next week instead of McStubborn.

rdent's picture

I agree, once again a complete failure on McCarthy and Capers part to make in game adjustments.

Samson's picture

Nothing new --- Both MM & Dom need an entire week to adjust to anything. --- It's why GB hasn't seen the SB for the last 6 seasons.
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jeremyjjbrown's picture

Capers made all kinds of adjustments. They held the Vikings to 23 points. That's at least a neutral preformance.

fthisJack's picture

you do realize the vikings don't have their starting QB, RB and best WR don't you. Capers needs to adjust his rocking chair in the booth.

BELIEVER's picture

I believe it is time or past time to cut Randle and Rollins. It is one thing not be able to cover but make the dam tackle. Them 2 gotta go. Rollins just sat down and that was it, I say by by.

4zone's picture

Can't, we don't have enough healthy DBs to fiield a secondary

dobber's picture

I realize the offense did them no favors in terms of TOs and first downs.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Capers was missing guys too, and had to deal with 3 turnovers.

chugwater's picture

What would you have wanted him to do differently?

Running game wasn't productive. He called successive screen plays that Hundley over/underthrew. The O line was a shambles. When fate throws the book at you sometimes you just gotta take your lumps now, regroup, and try again another day.

dobber's picture

Bring in a guy who hasn't played ANY meaningful NFL snaps and always gets backup reps in practice. OL is shot. Facing one of the more aggressive defensive units on the road and with a deficit. Not a recipe for success.

Prior to the start of the season, I think most of us would've looked at the schedule and said, "4-2 after 6 games (with road games against Atlanta, Dallas and Minn)? I'll take that." So the current position, record-wise, isn't troubling. But the fact that QB1 is done and we have no idea what to expect from QB2 next week gives us little reason for hope. On the other hand, what to they have to lose? Open it up, play loose, and let the chips fall.

Are they going to be able to practice enough guys to get any meaningful reps this week?

rdent's picture

I don't blame Huntley at all it just seemed MM kept trying to run the ball. Let Huntley wing it, didn't have anything to lose anyway. And the Oline I don't know what to say about that. What rotten luck. When will the injuries end? Same with the D. They may have to empty the practice squad to have enough players next game.

Dzehren's picture

The only thing to loose was 3 INT’s

chugwater's picture

I'm trying not to think how wide open the NFC is right now and how we were in a great position to get our bye. ATL is no juggernaut. We'd have beaten MN today with a regular AR performance.

At 5-1 with AR it would have just been a waiting game until the roster could heal with a bye week on the horizon.

Slim11's picture

They do need to open it up.

I lived in Dallas when the Packers played the Cowboys multiple times in the 1990s. Aikman was injured for one particular game and Jason Garrett was his backup.

Aikman convinced the coaching staff to run the same game plan as if he was playing. Garrett turned in an excellent performance and Dallas beat Green Bay...AGAIN!

MM should do the same with Hundley. If he's as good as the GB coaching staff says, with a week of practice as the #1 QB, we should see better play from the offense overall.

Of course, that also means getting a semi-healthy o-line so Hundley doesn't get killed back there.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

There is an exhaustive list of things he could have tried but didn't. From bootlegs, to rollouts, to jet/fly sweeps, to options, to WR formations and screens designed to help a QB under fire. They used almost none of them, stayed with 5 steps drops and the same old route concepts where is a bazillion hours of tape on, and the Vikings where stuffing.

dobber's picture

Had the feeling that as soon as #12 went down, MM was already looking toward next week and seeing what #7 could do within the basic offense. Nothing creative on offense, nothing for NO to look at on film. They stopped trying to win on offense, and for that, I give the defense credit for keeping it within 2 scores.

rdent's picture

He tanked.

Bedrock's picture

No Jeremy. No no no. With that patchwork o-line, those calls and that part of the playbook went out the window. It isn't that MM was reluctant, it's that he didn't have a line up to par with those calls. Have you heard of #74 John? Best way to roll out Hundley was to his right...at John. That's not happening and didn't happen.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Bootlegs are one thing you use to help a struggling line. Here http://www.footballoutsiders.com/strategy-minicamps/2006/passing-game-ii... go read and learn.

Bedrock's picture

Struggling, sure. But this is a line that didn't know the plays. "Block the guy across from you" is where some of these guys are at. Game plan had to be stripped way down.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

If you can block a run you can block a bootleg. There is nothing else for the OLine to know, it's supposed to be exactly the same blocking. that's how it works.

fthisJack's picture

they got nine yeards on one first down so predictably MM slammed the middle twice for zero and then punt. waiting for a miracle or something.

Tundraboy's picture

Exactly. MM game planning by not putting anything on tape for NO? If so Pathetic. Coach throws in the towel. If not just another predictable MM play for no gain. Had to be the most painful game to watch in recent memory.

rdent's picture

Putting all the injuries aside, this was the WORST crew of officials I have seen in my 50 years of watching Packer football. And besides that, one of if not the worst displays of tackling I can remember from a Packer Defense. Somebody please post the number of misses tackles today, I am just stunned.

Samson's picture

The officials were slow but not wrong. They got the calls correct. ----The Packers haven't tackled well since the sixties.

rdent's picture

Those refs had to have had their heads up their asses if they couldn't see that pass that clearly hit the ground. Was MM out of challenges at that point? Aikman and Buck were not very clear on that or I missed something

fastmoving's picture

So you need Aikman to count for you?
And Buck to explain football......?

hodge555's picture

Out of challenges

rdent's picture

hodge 555 thank you!

fthisJack's picture

what game were you watching. big play when their running back TRAPPED the ball on third down. first down...they drove down and got points when it should have been a punt.

fastmoving's picture

hope our players not such drama queens and cry babies. who knows what happens, but we still can win a weak nfc north.
football has alway been about fighting, no matter what.

dobber's picture

"football has alway been about fighting, no matter what."

No, that's hockey.

RobinsonDavis's picture

I would not mind it, if we had a little more "hockey" in our team...Just no stupid penalties. I like the higher road we take normally, but this has to stop with the Vikings.

Slim11's picture

I think that's because Goodell was at the game.

Mojo's picture

As I said during the game thread - the one thing GB couldn't have happen - happened.

Game over man - game over!

Samson's picture

Of course, you are right. --- The Pack missing AR changes the entire season.

dobber's picture

Very few teams in the league are still playoff teams when their starting QB goes down for any length of time.

GVPacker's picture

You're stating an obvious fact but so many fans are in denial about that!

fthisJack's picture

season over and those thinking different are drinking green coolaid.

dobber's picture

Mmmm...Kool-aid!

dobber's picture

I gave you a thumbs up if only for the late Bill Paxton Aliens reference.

Well played!

dobber's picture

Brutal...just brutal.

Season isn't over. It just feels like it is.

mrtundra's picture

It's hard to protect Rodgers from what appeared to be a late hit by Barr. The refs had no interest in protecting Rodgers, either. They could at least have thrown a flag. If this were Brady, instead of Rodgers, I feel Barr would have been ejected.

Samson's picture

You are full of sh**.
Know the rules. --- When a QB rolls out of the pocket. -- Any thing goes. It was a solid hit that was and is completely legit.-- Pls. stop the excuses of normal football.--- You're another Packer Homer who makes Packer Fans look ignorant.

dobber's picture

When your QB takes a lot of hits, he's going to get hurt.

That's about all there is to it.

RobinsonDavis's picture

My view of it, was that it was a legal hit, but Barr did not let up through the tackle either. We all know Rodgers holds on to the ball a long time trying to get the best play. It makes me wonder if Bennett had not cleared his defender, was not looking for the ball right away, or Rodgers was scanning the play. Regardless, GET WELL SOON, AARON!!

rdent's picture

Simply can't let defensive players have a free run at your QB but he was out of the pocket.

caruso81's picture

You all can dislike this all you want, but it was a borderline late hit that, if called against the Packers, would have you screaming your panties off.

caruso81's picture

You all can dislike this all you want, but it was a borderline late hit that, if called against the Packers, would have you screaming your panties off.

Tarynfor12's picture

Can't wait to get that 1st rd pick for Hundley.
Looks ready and primed to_______.
Callahan to the rescue in 1..2...weeks.
: )

RobinsonDavis's picture

I only disagree with one point Zachary. Why run the ball, when your team is missing its best run blockers, playing with 2nd and 3rd string Olineman, and going against one of the top front 7 in the league?

I hope the coaches (and TT) recognize it's time for ALL to step-up. All is not lost, but attention to detail is required.
I am fed-up with Bennett's lack of focus & predictable play calls by the offense. Overshadowed, was some exceptional early play by Kenny Clark & Martinez.

rdent's picture

Has NaVarro Bowman been picked up? Probably better than Ryan. Some writer suggested trading for Cromartie. That is looking more and more like a good idea but Oline is in a bigger shambles.

dobber's picture

Does NaVorro Bowman play QB?

Why make those kinds of moves if people think the season's over?

Zachary Jacobson's picture

In my defense, I made that point early on in the game after Rodgers' injury and before Bulaga and Bakhtiari left.

RobinsonDavis's picture

It is "First Impressions" so I get it Zachary. Keep up the good work and don't be afraid to share "latter impressions" as well. I appreciate what you do!!

caruso81's picture

This.

I am so off the Martellus Bennett wagon. Slow, butter fingers, and doesn't give a damn.

caruso81's picture

This.

I am so off the Martellus Bennett wagon. Slow, butter fingers, and doesn't give a damn.

stockholder's picture

Flat! Ugly. Capers plan just isn't working. Injured lineman only get your QB hurt. Picking on anyone after this game is not going to help. Sorry, but the goal line stance missed Guion. The depth is still missing.

dobber's picture

"Capers plan just isn't working."

Might not have been pretty, defensively, but if #12 survived this game, it was very winnable. It was still winnable WITHOUT #12. Defense did enough to keep it close when, at one point, the first downs were something like 18-5. Get after Capers if you want, but the defense didn't lose this game.

stockholder's picture

Roger Goodell was happy.

fastmoving's picture

So Goodell is happy when his best show goes down?
like always a pretty educated guess.......

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Time of posession was even too. The Packers just played right into the Vikings hand. Zimmer built hi defense to stop the kind of prostyle offense the Packers run.

rdent's picture

It could have been a lot worse. Wasn't hard to see the wind go out of the entire team after Rodgers left the game. They hung in best they could with the players they had left.

fthisJack's picture

when you think about awful this MN offense is....YES the defense sucked today!. tackling was bad as was the coverage in the secondary. they were missing a QB,#1 RB, #1 WR. and they score 23 on you? what game were you watching?

dobber's picture

A game that the defense didn't give away.

RobinsonDavis's picture

The defense created 10 points for the offense this game through turnovers. Would like to have seen it more stout, but playing with out Burnett, King, Brooks, Thomas & House, does not help, as well as a less than 100% Daniels & Perry.

I am curious what others are seeing with Dial. Seems to show up for a play or two then disappears. Twice this game he was blown off the hole.

badaxed's picture

Turn out the lights the party is over.

Flow49's picture

What's up with these season ending projections for Rodgers' injury. Unless my math is wrong we have 9 weeks left of the season. And having had 3 broken collarbones and Rodgers previous I'm pretty familiar with the recovery time that's about 6 weeks give or take. That should give him 2 games or so left. Or is it bad enough to keep him out longer? With the line in shambles though I'm not sure we'll be able to tread water anyway. Hope they pull it together some how.

dobber's picture

6 weeks for someone who doesn't routinely have 300 lb linemen falling on him, yes. Ask Tony Romo about what happens when you come back from a collarbone too early...

rdent's picture

Or Baktiari with a hamstring

Flow49's picture

I get that but just match it up with his last collarbone. Timeline should give him a couple of games

caruso81's picture

Last collarbone was LEFT. This one is RIGHT. Hence the "out for the season" prediction.

Hundley is the guy. Mix up a cocktail, hope McCarthy and company can game plan for a new QB1, and really hope they've got enough uninjured players to practice this week.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

There are 11 weeks and 10 games left in the regular season.

The TKstinator's picture

Kaepernick, anyone?

dobber's picture

Gesundheit.

fastmoving's picture

Danke

stockholder's picture

Colin Kaepernick and Wisconsin native Tony Romo. God NO! Are you really a packer fan?

The TKstinator's picture

To quote Travis Bickle: "Are you talking to me?"
I was asking, not suggesting.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Castor Oil, anyone?

caruso81's picture

#favrewatch

(Come on, you've gotta laugh...)

rdent's picture

TK,you are kidding right? Better off with Hundley who knows the O than bring in anyone who doesn't.

The TKstinator's picture

I just wanted to toss the name out there and see what the response was.

Mojo's picture

Politics aside, didn't Kaepernick stink it up his last year with SF?

Like he couldn't pass anymore. Was missing open receivers by ten yards. Thought his benching was performance based more than anything.

caruso81's picture

In the end if Kaepernick could play -- really play -- he'd be on a team somewhere regardless of politics.

caruso81's picture

In the end if Kaepernick could play -- really play -- he'd be on a team somewhere regardless of politics.

donnyanderson44's picture

If we're going there would rather see the ironman Bret Favre called back, bet he still has a cannon for an arm, and you can forget about Romo too. With the O line we have, he wouldn't last 5 plays. Go Callahan!

Nick Perry's picture

Now we'll see if what I've maintained for the last several years is ture. The Packers are a 2-14, 4-12 team without Aaron Rodgers.
Even if we didn't have ALL these damn injuries, the ONLY ONE who can overcome McCarthy and Capers coaching is Aaron Rodgers.

WHEN will the Packers change out this trainers staff. WAY to many soft issue injuries on this team. After 5 or 6 years of the same ole crap SOMETHING needs to change.

I miss Josh Sitton and TJ Lang, Casey Hayward too. I'll bet John Dorsey wouldn't have let ALL 3 walk.

Ted PLEASE retired NOW and take McCarthy with you. That play calling after Rodgers was injured was atrocious.

Thanks for an UNBELIEVABLE 5 games Rodgers. Now to the draft.

fthisJack's picture

my thoughts exactly....season over and there is a reason that the Packer are the most injury riddled team year after year and its not bad luck.

badaxed's picture

Ditto

caruso81's picture

My head tells me "it's just football," but damn. So many injuries year after year after year. Strength and conditioning? Training staff? Something?

dobber's picture

I don't know what strength and conditioning has to do with broken collarbones in the first quarter or broken fingers in the third.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

I don't think it's the trainers. I think it's the CBA practice schedule.

Finwiz's picture

Combination of both, but with the CBA practice schedule changes, they haven't adapted their training techniques to compensate.

HankScorpio's picture

I think simple evolution is at work as well, both physically and within the culture of the game.

Players are simply bigger, stronger and faster these days. Remember William Perry for the Bears? Back in that time, he was a novelty--a 300 lb player. He was rather flabby at that. These days, every OL is 300 or more, some significantly more. And while some are as flabby many as not. Its like that at every single level of the game.

Further, back in the day, players would take offseason jobs. When pay increased to make that unnecessary, they just took the offseason as a vacation. Either way, they would come to TC and then start to get in football shape. Now, the player that isn't spending March-June training for TC is not likely to make a roster. They have to come into camp in peak condition or risk someone taking their job. As a result, in addition to being bigger, they are stronger and faster, too.

So there is more mass at greater speed colliding on each and every play. It stands to reason that the human body is not as capable of surviving that gauntlet injury-free.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

The only way to get ready for live hitting is controlled hitting. I spent years training and working with Muay Thai kickboxers, real ones who took elbows and knees. The body must be trained to take the impact, or it will break. Teams are limited in how much pad time they get. If you can figure out how to train these guys for contact without it you can make millions.

Tundraboy's picture

Bingo

Ustabeayooper's picture

The season is not lost. Give the coaches a week to game plan with Hundley. Let's see what they come up with. You maybe surprised. Coming into a game with little or no reps is not a fair measure of what he can do. Injuries to the O line are more of a concern . It would be helpful if Bennett could catch the ball and block a db on a blitz. We are 4 and 2 and tied for first place. We have time to adjust.

HankScorpio's picture

The Packers have 10 games to showcase Hundley for an offseason trade. 10 games to work on integrating their young defenders into the defense as a whole. Plus any other number of reasons to watch. I will continue to do so. And hope the best. I'll just adjust my expectations when watching.

caruso81's picture

If he doesn't get killed by having no O-line.

dobber's picture

I'll be seeing you here, then! Based on the comments today, there won't be many others.

sonomaca's picture

Good comment. Hundley will get better, but it really comes down to the nature of offensive line injuries.

Mojo's picture

It's bad enough Rodgers is out. But throw in both tackles, starting guard, half the secondary - who else did I miss?

It might be just too much to ask, but I'd like to see Hundley kick some ass.

GVPacker's picture

I think the Mayo Clinic needs to do an in-depth study on the Green Bay Packers propensity to incur such a copious amount of injures each season geez this sucks!

HankScorpio's picture

It's not just the Packers. It's week 6 and the NFL is without (arguably) their best DL (JJ Watt), RB (David Johnson), QB (Aaron Rodgers) and WR (OBJ).

It seems counter-intuitive that less contact in practice mandated by the CBA is leading to more injuries, but until we know why, I don't think anything can be ruled out.

caruso81's picture

I've always wondered if this isn't simply a case of the modern evaluation techniques. Even in the 80s, a guy had bad knees, you wrapped them tighter and he went back in. A guy "got his bell wrung," he sat out a series and was back in. You think Bulaga wouldn't have been back in if this was 1987 instead of 2017?

I think we're getting the same number of injuries as ever. It's just that we are much more conscious of player safety.

And let's be honest. That's a good thing. It totally sucks when your O-line is in the locker room, but it is a good thing.

dobber's picture

Good perspective post.

RobinsonDavis's picture

This is correct Caruso, but it is more than that. The speed and strength of the players is so much more than what it used to be and the requirements are ever increasing. Take cornerbacks for instance, they are required to run, pivot, and leap like a gazelle, but tackle guys who run 4.4-4.6 forties and are as much as 40-70 pounds heavier than them (think RBs and TEs here).

I am not sure what to think regarding our O-line, except a string of bad luck and some with a propensity to certain injuries that we need to be careful with.

HankScorpio's picture

Great observation, Caruso81.

No doubt that the "rub some dirt on it" mentality through out the game (players, coaches, trainers, medical staff) is being replaced by images of ex-players in their 50s and beyond with demetia or unable to walk or whatever other long-term effect playing football has shown.

While some fans of the game enjoy the gladiator aspect of it, I am not one of them. These guys deserve to be able to play with their kids and grand kids after their careers are over. So I applaud the changing emphasis on player safety. it can be frustrating at times to watch. But it is becoming less frustrating every year as hits like the one Trevathan laid on Adams are ingrained into my memory.

HankScorpio's picture

The Packers were down to zero healthy reserves at OL at the end of the game. While many may want to blank out the end of the NFC CG game last year, we saw them forced to use a DL on the OL due to injury. They were either out or close to being out of having enough DBs, today.

I don't want to see LBs manned up on WRs, lumbering TEs trying to shake nimble DBs or linemen on the opposite side of the ball for which they are trained. It's just not entertaining. As I type, I'm watching NASCAR at Talladega (which I hate) and it seems like a nice analogy...a contest that is not decided by which team is the best but by which team can avoid catastrophe that is no fault of their own.

It's not just the Packers and it seems to be happening more frequently than in years past.

This is a legitimate problem that the league must address. I have no idea how. But I think a meaningful expansion of both the regular roster and gameday roster would seem to be a nice first step, along with opening up IR rules to be in line with other leagues, where it is used as a temporary parking spot for injured players. They have to do something to stop the comments like "Does (team X) have enough players at (position Y) to finish the game?"

Dave in Texas's picture

I very much agree on the increased roster. 53 is a joke for the number of injuries teams have been sustaining over the past 10 seasons or so. Teams can’t keep adequate replacement depth at every position. And, if they use a couple spots on the 53 to protect development players the situation is even worse. I would think 60 player rosters would be more realistic.

Also, the PUP and IR rules are nuts. Why does a player need to be on PUP all offseason to be eligible? Not certain, but think a player has to end the previous season on IR to be eligible for the PUP in the offseason. I think they have the two sort of reversed. I would think after 6 weeks any player placed on IR should be eligible to return to practice and be eligible to be activated during a four week window. Then be placed on the roster, released, or season ending PUP. And I would only allow players to be added to the IR list after the first game. This would help prevent teams from stashing guys on IR during final cutdowns.

PUP would be open to players injured before the final TC roster cuts. I would allow them to return to practice for 2 weeks anytime after the 8th week. If they are not activated to the roster after 2 weeks, they would need to be released or put on a season ending PUP. I would have a 4 player limit on PUP so it can not be abused for stashing players prior to cut-downs.

If they made these changes, they could possibly eliminate the Practice Squads. Although, I would suggest reducing the PS to 6. And use it more like a tryout squad. Maybe even putting 30 day time limits on the players. Then teams would have to choose between the 60 man roster or release the player. It would create a form of musical chairs for the PS guys, moving from team to team. But also motivate teams to promote a PS player to the roster vs releasing him.

Non of this will happen, but I wish it would.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Nice post.

The TKstinator's picture

I can offer no statistical "proof" but it seems to me that today's "bigger, stronger, faster" players inflict more punishment than ever before, while at the same time, this condition of being "big, strong, and fast" does not improve their ability to absorb the punishment.
And I have no idea how to "legislate" any of it.

dobber's picture

That, and the detection limit for things like concussions keeps dropping...

Since '61's picture

My first impression is that I will have more time to spend with my grandchildren for the upcoming 11 Sundays remaining in the NFL season.
Not including the injury to Aaron Rodgers I have never seen a team absorb as many injuries as the Packers have and now with Rodgers gone I'm not even sure the Packers can field a team for next week's game.
Those of you who are blaming Capers defense remember that Hundley through 2 picks that resulted in 10 points for the Vikings. Which means the defense could have held the Vikings to 13 points. The Packers would have been held to 0 without the fumble recovery and return by CM3 and without the pick by Randall.
It doesn't seem fair to blame the coaches when you lose your starting QB, and 3 OLs plus losing 2 more CBs during the game after coming into the game without a starting CB and safety. The OL became a complete shambles during the game and we were lucky that Hundley was not injured as well.
As for going forward Hundley will get better with a full week of practice and then go into the bye with more time and reps. However, unless the OL heals up it may not matter. Our secondary needs to heal up as well.
The season is not over by any means but nothing is certain for now and may not be for quite a while.
Thanks, Since '61

stockholder's picture

Problem stats: 24 first downs, 7 rush, 13 pass, 4 penalty. 0 sacks! time 32mins. penalties 8- 92yds. What's the answer? Time to start looking at the stats AGAIN. Not who left the game.

Since '61's picture

Stats are the result of who plays in the game.
Our defense is not a great defense when they are 100% healthy. How well do you expect them to play when they are short at least 4 players in the secondary as the game went on.
The Vikes scored 10 points off of turnovers. Take that away and the Vikings score 13 points. That's not bad for any defense in today's NFL. However to be fair we should remove the Packers 10 points which they scored off of turnovers.
what did you expect to happen when Rodgers went down and the Packers were playing on the road against the best defense in their division and maybe the best in the NFC? Thanks, Since '61

stockholder's picture

From the start I expected a defensive Battle. Many called the score to be tight. 0 sacks!! (Thats the biggest stat.) #2 The penalties gave them momentum, and got them off to a faster start. With their backs to the end zone the DL collapsed. The Vikings dominated the lines. Yes Clark and company made some splash plays. But the vikings won the game in the trenches.

Since '61's picture

Of course they won the game in the trenches. Their DL is better than our patchwork OL and their OL has been revamped and improved this season.
If our OL is healthy and Rodgers isn't injured it's a completely different game. Injuries are not an excuse but they are a reality. Regardless, I mentioned in my post on reasons why the Packers would win or lose three factors why the Packers could lose this game:
They beat themselves with stupid penalties, poor tackling and an ineffective pass rush. After Rodgers went down all three of those factors happened throughout the rest of the game. Thanks, Since '61

stockholder's picture

yes

RobinsonDavis's picture

I would point out that there were many on this board who were challenging why some of the other posters were so particular on keeping (or not) certain players, and acquiring others. Maybe the light has gone on? We store players who do not deserve a roster spot, or who are not ready to play, instead of planning for something like this and adding depth to key positions.

While trying to field a team, the Packers will be needing to make some crucial roster decisions over the next few weeks due to injuries, and guys scheduled to come off of PUP. Can they wait for their IR'd Olinemen to return? Can they continue to Park a 3rd string RB and OT, as wells as Adams on the roster and make them inactive most games?

Jonathan Spader's picture

Where did we not add depth to key positions? We were thinnest at OLB and added Brooks. We have had the most injuries on the OL but started the year with 10 OL men on the roster. We had to cut 3 WRs that showed promise. We haven't used Mays but when TY and Williams were injured most were glad we had him. It's frustrating that they still haven't given Mays a chance but maybe we'll finally see what he can do without Aaron.

For Adams what do the Packers do with a 3rd round pick? Put him on the Practice Squad and he will get scooped up. As for parking offensive linemen we just lost 3. We need all the OL we can get and then some. I understand your frustration all Packer fans are upset with the injuries. Unfortunately it's part of the game. What else could the Packers have done to prepare for losing this many players?

The entire NFL has been decimated by injuries this year. What's important is how you overcome them. The Giants have also had to reshuffle their OL and lost their entire WR core. They have 2 no name running backs and were up against the top ranked run defense. They still played a hell of a game. That's all we have now as Packer fans. Without Aaron lets see how the Packers adjust it'll be a great evaluation of our coaching staff everyone is always ripping on. Now is the time for them to impress us or let us down without Aaron's talent makinf the Packers look better than they are.

Lphill's picture

I guess Gunter will be back if he hadn't been signed , also I say it's Hundley's team now let's give him a good weeks practice. Thanks

nostradanus's picture

Rodgers made up for all of the flaws of Teddy Bear Thompson, Mike McFatty and Dom Carpet Head Capers. Now that Brett Bungly Hundly is at the helm the Pack will be back, way, way back. 4 & 12 is my prediction.
Here's looking for that top 5 draft choice next year. Thompson got lucky when Rodgers dropped in his lap and has been bad in the draft ever since. This team quit on McFatty cuz they know they don't have a snowballs chance of winning another game without Rodgers. With all the soft-tissue injuries it is also obvious there is no off=season training program and there is no toughness on this team. What a bunch of losers whohave now been exposed for what they are, riding on the shoulders of Aaron Rodgers and that ride is over. This team will quit on McCarthy the rest of the year. Enjoy your time in the cellar, losers

Since '61's picture

Nostradanus - you may be correct, but they didn't quit on MM went Rodgers went down in 2013 and I don't think they will this time either.
Thanks, Since '61

RobinsonDavis's picture

Ditto!

4thand1's picture

The Packers have lost 8 starters, twice as much as any other team. Someone has to look in the mirror.

cheesycowboy's picture

What will our Packers do with a top 15 draft pick next year?
What a long off season this will be. The creative writing classes will pay off big time for the next 10 months.

Archie's picture

Even getting a higher draft pick is no silver lining for Packer fans because we have Ted Thompson as our GM, who still thinks AJ Hawk at pick #5 was one of his greatest picks of all time, nosing out HaHa Clinton-Dix at pick 25.

The only silver lining I see is that the homer fans, including Mark Murphy, get to see the emperor has no clothes on when we go winless the rest of the season or close to it. Maybe then everyone will realize that we need a new front office at 1265. I think new coaches and a new GM could make a big difference in our fortunes in a relatively short period of time, say 1-3 years. Of course, you need to pick the right people. John Dorsey would make a good choice for GM.

Qoojo's picture

This offensive line was a ticking timebomb on Rodgers' health, but surprisingly, I wouldn't blame the OL on the play he got injured.

I think the season is over because Hundley is not going to be able to cover for lack of defense and bad coaching. What can you do with a coach that that has 3 backup OL and backup QB, but refuses to help that situation much. It was a jailbreak on Hundley. From here on out, given the OL health, teams are going to blitz like crazy. Heck, they don't even really need to blitz. I kind of doubt Hunley makes it through the season too.

I have always thought MM is just beneficiary of Rodgers, and now he gets to prove me wrong. This team had issues stopping the Vikings, and it's going to get ugly against the Saints next week without Rodgers scoring on +75% of the possessions.

dobber's picture

"From here on out, given the OL health, teams are going to blitz like crazy."

If the Packers are smart, from here on out--or at least until #7 gets his legs under him--they're going to try to play some smashmouth football. This can't be the same offense for a few weeks, if at all. Put 2 TEs on the field, maybe go to the 3-man backfield, but put extra blockers out there and run the ball. Use play action. Is that what this team was built to do? No...but this isn't THAT team anymore, and expecting Hundley to throw for 300+ and 3 TDs every week is a recipe for 4-12.

Qoojo's picture

I agree. I thought MM tried running a bit more, but then he also failed to help the tackles, and did not call a roll out once. Then they were like 1 for 4 or 5 on screen plays.

Archie's picture

I couldn't disagree more. Time to find out if Hundley can wear his big boy pants. If not, Plan B should be to go with Kaepernick. But, for him to be up to speed in our system we need to sign him now. Joe Callahan is a laughable option as our Plan B. Taysom Hill maybe but not Joe Callahan. Kap has performed at the highest level in his chosen profession and is still in his prime. Not long ago he schooled MM/DC on how to play QB in this league. What is this man's great crime against society? That he has the courage to protest the greatest outrage in our society today, cops killing unarmed people of color. To oppose him for standing up against racial injustice is or should be unAmerican. How can so many turn this argument upside down? First Amendment folks.

fastmoving's picture

You are so right, I have no idea why people can turn this argument upside down.

Qoojo's picture

It's ok to disagree, but I am not sure what you are disagreeing with. To ignore Hundley's newness to the role, and pretend like he is Rodgers is to play into failure. He doesn't have the experience, and that means blitz blitz blitz until a QB can prove he can handle it.

I think the only QB that would work for the packers is a very mobile QB, and Kaepernick fits that. I have no issues with the kneeling and sitting. I don't see Kaepernick as good enough to cover GB's weakness on defense. I think Kaepernick is about the only external QB that could survive with GB's OL.

Tundraboy's picture

Let the in season development of Hundley begin. My first instinct is to let it all fly and see what he can do but that requires having enough capable healthy players to keep him from getting killed. Could things be any worse? I don't think so. Can't even shift my attention to the defense improving, because they are hurting too. Let's see what MM can do with this mess.

4thand10's picture

1) Officiating....helmet to helmet on a defenseless player. Should have been an ejection of Treadwell. I also counted 6 non call holdings ...Martinez and Clay were being held all game long. 1 of 2 PI's was not a PI. The non catch that was ruled a catch when Theilands elbow was out of bounds was ridiculous.

2) McCarthy ...you have a green QB and a bunch of tight ends... For the love of God why would you not use a double tight end set??

3) Yes, other teams have Injuries, lose a QB etc.. But other teams can at least run the ball and field an adequate defense. Rodgers does in fact cover inadequacies.

4)The last time this happened, Lacy still ran the ball well with crap QB play from Tolzien. If we had good to great RB's our corners wouldn't be on the field as much. McCarthy and Thompson had to have known there was a GLARING need for a true RB. I could be wrong, Ive been wrong before.

5) Ive said this before but I believe a 4-3 cover 2 or a 4-3 in general would make Green Bay less injurie prone. Asking corners to rush lineman and fill gaps to tackle RBs when they are built for running stride for stride with WRs is asking too much. Yes of course it's football and that's their job but instead of an occasional task, in Capers system it's an every down affair. I don't like the way he runs a 3-4.

croatpackfan's picture

I did not read your comments.

I just want to congratulate to those "doom's day" Packers fans.

You may enjoy now. Your predictions come to light. Thank you for putting so much bad energy and fear in the life, so life just turn back that miserable feelings to you.

Also, I want to thank you for ruining my enjoyment of watching the best ever QB.

I'm still with Packers. I will lose my nervs and I will be sad after many games, but I will cheer for Packers and organization no matter what.

I hope D will finally come to life in the next few games. I believe Packers have excellent players and they will keep Packers in the battle for postseason...

So, 70% of you, thank you once more...

croatpackfan's picture

double post

Pauly's picture

I think the NFL is going to have to change the rule about a QB being a free target when out of pocket. Most get out of pocket a lot, specially newer, younger QBs.

I think the NFL will see AR's hit as a $$$ problem when viewership by casual fans of Packer's games drops off because the star is out of game.

AR is out of pocket, throws the ball, LB sees that and knows technically he doesn't have to avert hit or slow down with his hit. Lowers his head and plants his helmet on AR's shoulder and drives his helmet to the ground crushing a shoulder.
Think about it, a 220 lb guy helplessly stationery getting hit by a 260 lb guy running 20 mph. That's as bad as being hit by a pickup truck moving 20 mph.

Spock's picture

Yesterday was a crappy day for me; bad knee was swollen, bad back was inflamed, bad shoulder was screaming, but at least I could watch my beloved Packers (well, stream it since F%%*&#%g Fox TV wasn't showing the game in Arizona). Then my worst nightmare happened and AR went down. I'm beyond bummed, but I will still watch my beloved Packers and maybe good things will happen. It's life. Sometimes things don't go the way you want and you just have to "adjust" to the situation. I will be rooting for Hundley to do well. I'll still be excited for game day. Go Pack Go!

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