Packers Vs. Vikings: First Impressions

My immediate thoughts on the Packers - Vikings game before watching it a second time more closely.

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Packers defense writes the script for success on the first series. Keep AP inside to short gains, pressure Bradford and watch him throw errant passes.

They also start right out in nickel. Really, we should just call it their base defense.

Not a fan of the third and five shot downfield when you're deep in your own territory. Just look for a 1st down play and don't surrender field position.

Joe Thomas is looking like a much improved player. Perhaps he's finally comfortable with Capers' multiple defensive schemes and not thinking as much.

Packers defensive line is dominant early. Don't think anyone has blocked Mike Daniels yet...

End of First Quarter: Packers 7 Vikings 0

If the Vikings have any brains, they'll start throwing the ball to Peterson in the flat.

As soon as Eddie Lacy hesitates behind the line and starts tiptoe-ing, he's lost his momentum and just can't get it back. 

Clay Matthews inside pass rush stunt draws two Vikings, leaving Peppers and Perry on-on-one to get to Bradford. He causes havoc even when his name is not called on a play. It's the "Matthews Effect."

Packers tight ends are MIA. Not one target. What exactly did they sign Jared Cook for?

End of Second Quarter: Packers 7 Vikings 10

Packers offense with 65 total yards gained at halftime. Rodgers 8/15 for 59 yds.

Packers finally re-discover their tight ends and guess what - the offense gets in gear.

4th and 1 run out of the shotgun. Yeah, really love that...  Although I have to admit, I thought they got a bad spot and McCarthy should have challenged it.

Seems like 31 other teams, when they need 4 yds for a first down, look for 5 yard completions to just get the first and continue. Rodgers prefers to throw deep. Low percentage, low rate of success.

End of Third Quarter: Packers 7 Vikings 17

Packers best play all night has been pass interference.

The hit on Rodgers after he crossed the goal line was not illegal, but Tretter and Cobb did what needed to be done, even if penalized.

Packers' fumbilitis finally hurts - Vikings recover one after losing out on the first three Packers fumbles.

Final Score: Packers 14 Vikings 17

 

Final Thought:

OK, I'm officially no longer buying the "I don't need preseason reps" narrative from Rodgers. His accuracy is way off...

This Packers offense needs some new ideas. Vikings were well prepared, often knew what routes the Packers receivers were running and beat them to the spot..

 

 

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  

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Oppy's picture

September 18, 2016 at 10:51 pm

Damarius Randall's coverage and Aaron Rodgers poor throws, and worse ball security, cost the Packers this win.

Decision to go for it on 4th instead of taking a FG didn't help, either.

Run d, Pass rush, looks great.

What a wasted opportunity

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 18, 2016 at 10:58 pm

I would have kicked the FG, but honestly, I don't think MM can win with us. People still say he cost us the NFCC in Seattle by kicking field goals instead of going for it.

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Nerd's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:10 pm

Mike costs us in the playoffs by being emotionally tight, which causes his team to tighten up. It's not any specific calls or types of calls he makes, per se.

This game was thrown away by Aaron Rodgers, plain and simple. Mike needs to step up and provide coaching for Aaron, because this has been going on for a year now.

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Finwiz's picture

September 19, 2016 at 08:54 am

Good luck with that...Aaron makes 110 million and is the focal point of the franchise, he isn't going to listen to what McCarthy says. But you are correct, Aaron threw that ball game away with horrible off target throws and poor ball management. Sometimes your better off throwing the ball away or taking the sack - where have I heard that before? Oh yeah...Brett Favre days.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:12 pm

Forget the field goal for a second. With how poorly the Offense has been playing (especially on that drive) why in the hell would you go for the TD instead of the first down? Then, after that fails, you try a more sure-thing play.

*insert straight face emoji*

Either MM or Rodgers needs a punch in the throat.

I understand targeting the replacement CB on Jordy, but damn it, we needed to establish some kind of rhythm. I don't think our Offense is at that point yet where we can go for a kill shot on the fly in that type of situation.

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:17 pm

It's hard to know what is MM and what is AR, but I have gotten the impression over the years that AR is the one who likes to go big on third and short (which we also did earlier in the game tonight). Not my preference.

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RobinsonDavis's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:49 pm

Agree....It's easy to play Monday Quarterback, but I did not like the last two plays of that series at all. The LBs were selling out all night to blitz or stop the run, so why not just dunk it over the middle to a TE. I do not have a problem going big....just not in that situation where we could have ran or dunked 1 yard against a good defense.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

September 19, 2016 at 12:03 am

And you know what play we HAVEN'T seen at all that would have burned the Vikes this game?

That quick out Richard Rodgers used to run last year. Give me Cook vs anybody on the Vikings in that scenario. The Vikes were playing close coverage with their CBs but the Safety playing our inside receiver (when in Trips formation) was playing damn near 10 yards off.

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RobinsonDavis's picture

September 19, 2016 at 12:12 am

Yeah, I saw that Drealyn!....and agree with this and your oriignal statement.

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JerseyAl's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:20 pm

That's why I will refrain from killing him on that decision. Usually on the road you take the points, but I'm ok with him going for it. Not ok with a run from the shotgun, however...

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:32 pm

To be honest, I don't hate that call. I personally dislike it when teams load up on the line trying to get one yard. I prefer sending several receivers out wide to open things up a bit, and then running it. You should be able to get one yard that way. Though I wish they had done that on 3rd down.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:57 pm

" I prefer sending several receivers out wide to open things up a bit, and then running it. You should be able to get one yard that way. Though I wish they had done that on 3rd down"

And that's what's so maddening. Rodgers would usually do that and then audible to a run play after spreading out the Defense. He did it in the preseason and he did it against the Jags. We have to give credit to that Vikings Defense, but Rodgers hurt us just as much as that Defense did.

I need to go to bed before I become Conspiracy Theorist Dre.

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:38 pm

I didn't like the decision but hated the play worse. If Lacy was the RB I would have been better with the call.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

September 19, 2016 at 12:05 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the drive Lacy was getting into a nice little rhythm before being subbed?

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 19, 2016 at 05:18 am

Yes he was. That's why I really hated not using Lacy in that situation. Also up to that point Starks had done basically nothing.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

September 19, 2016 at 08:33 pm

Just went back to the Jags game and guess what...?

We ran Lacy on a 4th & 1, in an OBVIOUS run formation with Rodgers under the center in that game and picked up 9!!!

Maddening....

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Tundraboy's picture

September 19, 2016 at 06:54 am

Of course it was.

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cheddarhead's picture

September 19, 2016 at 05:12 am

Why Starks. Instead of Lacey? Isn't that why we drafted him. Lacey can get a yard just falling down.

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Amanofthenorth's picture

September 19, 2016 at 01:58 am

The O had a lot of odd plays...but the third and one before the failed fourth down was just an awful waste of a down.

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EdsLaces's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:10 pm

You wanna go for it fine ...but don't run it out of the damn shotgun!!!

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BELIEVER's picture

September 19, 2016 at 08:57 am

was the fullback even in the game

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JerseyAl's picture

September 19, 2016 at 09:35 am

for about two snaps...

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DrealynWilliams's picture

September 18, 2016 at 10:52 pm

First things first! I tried to tell y'all about that damn Defense!

Secondly, Aaron Rodgers deserves ton of blame. He had soooo many horrible passes this game.

Where's @RC? Go ahead and fix my plate now. I'm sold on this new and improved #48.

Randall has some serious issues of playing the QB instead of his WR.

I...Am...So disappointed in our DBs and entire Offense.

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:01 pm

Yeah, I expected our secondary to be much better than this. But it's still early, and I'm not writing them off yet. I also think Randall wasn't *quite* as bad as the final numbers show. Some of the times he just got beat by really great throws and catches.

I'm really torn on Shields too. In reality, he should retire now, and I want that for him. But boy do we need him.

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:06 pm

Lol, it's ok. I will let it go. Lol

I do really like Thomas though. Actually I thought all 3 ILBs played well tonight. Ryan played really well.
I still am not so sure our best 2 ILBs might not be Thomas and Martinez.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:20 pm

@RC

I was impressed with Ryan this game too. He looked better manned up against Kyle Rudolph than Morgan Burnett (smh...damn shame).

With the way this league is headed, Thomas & Martinez are perfect for us. The only knock is when we go Nickel those two can't fight off or through charging blocks well. They can beat pulling blocks to a spot, but if one is heading straight towards them -- it's a wrap. I like the 3-man combo so far.

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:29 pm

@Drealyn

I thought Ryan had one of his best games as a Packer. His coverage was much improved and his attacking the run game was really good.

I agree about the nickel and stuffing the run.

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holmesmd's picture

September 19, 2016 at 07:59 am

Good to see you finally acknowledging that Thomas is a pretty good player!;) LOL

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:34 pm

Yeah, the play of the ILBs and Dline - two expected weaknesses - has been a pleasant surprise so far.

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Chris Pattee's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:09 pm

How embarrassing! Rogers sucked...BAD! and McCarthy is way too reserved. Looked like the Vikings offense was running plays out of Green Bay's Playbook, and they worked! Meanwhile, everytime Lacy would get going they would take his momentum away by passing the ball!! They looked so green it wasn't funny. Once again, the only thing that looked promising was our defense. Sad. They look like they just picked up where they left of last season. Sad.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:17 pm

Biggest takes from that game to me were Field position, MM and our Dline
It's not just our short punts giving us lousy position on d, but how often we can be on the short end, shooting ourselves in the foot, losing yards in the field position battle by giving up yards so easily on those 3 and long situations where our prevent D allows the other team to pick extra yards, Like giving up 15 yards on 3rd and 20, giving up 19 on 3 and 23.... Happens way too often. No wonder we are always starting on our own 11 yardline.

MM is stale, and too stubborn to see it. Play calling, using wrong personnel at times, its like a recurring bad dream.

2nd, our D line is very very good.

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croatpackfan's picture

September 19, 2016 at 04:50 am

Tonight, only man doing wrong on Pakers offense was Aaron Rodgers. WR catched ali catchable balls, even few uncatchable... And Tretter. He was not able to stop any defender...

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Point-Packer's picture

September 18, 2016 at 10:54 pm

This is the most boring unimaginative offense I have ever watched period.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:07 pm

That's the same sick feeling in my stomach I had from the beginning of the 2nd quarter.

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Amanofthenorth's picture

September 19, 2016 at 02:02 am

I thought the game was one of the dullest games I have ever watched. I hate Sunday night games for one, and ...I don't know... that stadium or something... it was a boring game. Looking forward to real grass, real weather and the real offense back at home.

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Colin_C's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:00 pm

What an ugly game. Rodger's was mediocre at best, and the offense had zero rhythm. I can't believe Abby, Davis, and Monty didn't get in the game more. Our offense needs to do some serious soul searching if they want any kind of post season hope.

D-line looked great for the most part, but boy has this much heralded secondary been a letdown.

Have we returned a punt yet this season? Starting every drive at the 10 sucks.

Can't believe I waited all day to watch that slopfest. Oh well, at least the Seahawks lost. That, and Joe Thomas looked pretty great! On to Detroit!

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Nerd's picture

September 18, 2016 at 10:57 pm

Defense held a division rival to 17 points on the road. That should be plenty enough to win.

This ain't on the defense.

If the offense was clicking even halfway decently, we'd have had probably another 1/3 time of possession.

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Colin_C's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:02 pm

True, but Diggs had close to 200 yards I think. They seemed to leave the middle of the field wide open at times. But I agree, this loss (and a lot of last year) is on the offense.

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carusotrap's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:14 pm

They were pretty clearly focused run first and last. All the LBs we're up in run support. Easy to go 15 yards over the middle in that situation.

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carusotrap's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:12 pm

This is not about a clicking offense. It's about a playbook and scheme that is not rooted in reality. 3rd and 1, and you go 40 yards backshoulder lob? Whether it's Rodgers calling the audible because "he sees something" or a deeply rooted philosophy that thinks you get more points for a TD scored from farther away with a trick play, this is now a trend of ten games last season and two this season.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:43 pm

"or a deeply rooted philosophy that thinks you get more points for a TD scored from farther away with a trick play, "

I really needed this laugh!

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croatpackfan's picture

September 19, 2016 at 05:02 am

It is about the precision Aaron Rodgers are not showing for a long time. He showed many overthrown, underthrown, to high, to behind throws that I can't believe. All passes which was not catched was passes thrown imprecisely. Some of those passes were catched. I know that you, fans here, do not allow anything against Aaron Rodgers, but he is the main culprit for offensive foes. He is so affraid of throwing interceptions that he will not throw ball quckly, just to avoid that possibility. He is addict to so called "free plays", and because of that he ruins any chance of surprise snap. Opponent D knows exactly when he will snap the ball. That helps them, too. I think we should collectively send the message to Aaron - hey man, relax!

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RobinsonDavis's picture

September 19, 2016 at 12:36 am

Couldn't agree more. Right now I am hearing a post-game commentator (WTMJ) blame the defense. It is a team game, but the D held the Vikes on a short field throughout the 1st half, while being on the field A LOT because our O could not move the ball, and our punter could not kick us out of trouble.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 19, 2016 at 08:31 am

MM and Arod were the ultimate rythym killers last night. Worst 3rd down play calling and performance. Talk about being your own worst enemy, we made Bradford look great.

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Slim11's picture

September 19, 2016 at 08:04 pm

Also don't understand why Abbrederis, Montgomery and Davis didn't see any snaps on offense. The only WR I did not expect to see any offensive snaps was Janis and that's due to his injury.

Nelson started looking a little better but only a little. This is what happens when a starting WR gets no snaps in preseason and the starting QB gets only a few.

I do except improvement as the season continues.

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Nerd's picture

September 18, 2016 at 10:56 pm

Aaron is not executing the offense.

He is operating from the shotgun every time, holding the ball for 8 seconds, waiting for things to break down, then trying to make a sandlot play. Why even game plan?

And as for footwork and mechanics? Not so much. This has been going on for a year, and it's making me think that Mike is afraid to correct Aaron on anything.

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Colin_C's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:22 pm

This. I honestly wonder at times how Hundley would do. Couldn't really be much worse than Rodgers was tonight.

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BELIEVER's picture

September 19, 2016 at 09:14 am

I agree, Rodgers is NOT the Rodgers we think he is. This loss is on him. It can't always be the wide outs are not getting seperation.It's the same as last year. Oh and where the hell is our fullback. Oh yea that is a huge upgrade at punter. Defence looks good if not scary at times. This one is on Rodgers.

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 18, 2016 at 10:56 pm

I thought the dline was excellent, and the oline played respectably against a really good front four for MN.

Last year I was saying that Rodgers wasn't bad-bad, but just Rodgers-bad. Today he was bad-bad. We're coming up on 12 months of mediocre play from him, and I'm starting to get a little concerned.

Also, for my money, just give me Starks 100% of the time. I don't know what Lacy gives us that Starks doesn't, plus some.

Still, you don't want to be playing your best ball in September...

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RobinsonDavis's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:20 pm

Agreed!! First (and only) look:

Daniels and Guion dominated early. Nearly all the LBs played well. Really like the Perry, Peppers sandwiches which played out twice...nearly 3 times.

If anybody replays the Rodgers TD run, watch how Tretter controlled Joseph through out the run and hussles downfield afterwards....to get a penalty, but Tretter seemed to play OK and had his hands full. You can see Jordy is getting better, still not the Jordy of old....yet. I would like to see Adams fight and position for the ball like Jordy, but Adams is out of my doghouse - He made plays this game. Cobb played well too. Curious what others see in viewing the game. How many times did Rodgers miss or throw to someone else when Cobb and Cook were open?

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J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

September 19, 2016 at 02:01 am

I thought Adams looked absolutely terrible, as usual. I came in to post I think it's high time we explore getting another receiver on the field for him. He's a drive killer, his drops don't allow the offense to get a positive rythym going.

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Spud Rapids's picture

September 18, 2016 at 10:56 pm

I chalked this game up as a loss when I looked at the schedule, tough environment and Bradford was flawless.

Positive viewpoint: so much to clean up, Rodgers had a terrible game and still driving only down 3 to win the game. A loss is a loss but we don't know what this team is yet so I'm not selling the farm

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Mojo's picture

September 19, 2016 at 12:19 am

Agree Spud - I had this as a loss too, If ARod gets it together (and learns to step up in the pocket once in a while) the Packers take this division easily.

After years of the O carrying this team it looks like all the recent draft capital spent on D is paying off. Front seven kicked ass tonight. Sure they gave up some plays but part of that was Bradfords accuracy. Giving up 17 points on the road should be a win nearly every time.

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Tarynfor12's picture

September 18, 2016 at 10:57 pm

I wasn't impressed with the Jac win and certainly not impressed again.

A win is a win is a win....and.....
A loss is a loss is a loss. .....
but not for the Packers right?

I told you all two weeks ago. This team is not ready and may need that bye week to get straight....nobody goes home.

But, like last week....I cash my tickets.

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Beep's picture

September 18, 2016 at 10:57 pm

Couldn't agree more that Rodgers needs more preseason reps to get timing down with the receivers in game situations.

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RobinsonDavis's picture

September 19, 2016 at 12:39 am

Thanks for the call-out on Rodgers. Can we finally admit he is not sharp, everybody? A guy who had not played a game with his team, outplayed Rodgers.

Also, can we get away from the slow and go for a while? Once we got in rhythm, with a faster call and hike we had the vikes D on their heals.

Last, we finally went deep and it payed-off, but can we have a different game plan to start a game?

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Samson's picture

September 18, 2016 at 10:59 pm

Get used to it!!
This is the 2016 Packers!!
They aren't what you might think.

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GVPacker's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:51 pm

Are you saying "They Are Who We Thought They Were"?

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greenngold's picture

September 18, 2016 at 10:59 pm

By no means am I writing this season off, but this offense looks incredibly stale, and as much as I hate to even bring it up...is it #12? What the hell happened to his mechanics? Everything is off his back foot and he doesn't seem to have anywhere near the velocity he used to. His deep accuracy is pathetic right now, and even his intermediate accuracy is pedestrian. Unfortunately this isn't a one game abheration - this goes back to all of last year. Better get back to some basics, and soon. Also really really puzzled at the 3rd down defense. This is a game they should have easily - easily won. We've got 14 games to go - here's hoping they are playing their best in December...

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Tundraboy's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:11 pm

His short passing was pretty shitty as well.

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September 18, 2016 at 11:21 pm

ARod looked like Joel Stave out there. Either his passes were over the receivers' heads or they were on their shoe laces.

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badaxed's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:30 pm

Why is it that the other teams receivers always are open with no one around them to five to ten yards, yet the opposing team's defensive backs are trapped on our receivers? Is this poor coaching teaching bad skills or lack of talent? Either way this is reflective of the top down. As Ted Thompson's job is to recruit personnel that can perform and it is the coaches job to put the players in the best position to succeed. My opinion is that management has failed in both categories. Rogers cannot throw to receivers who are not open and he holds the ball to long when they are open giving the defensive backs time to close the gap. Letting this go on is a coaching mistake. There is no owner to answer to here so I see no change in this system. Be prepared for reruns of this pathetic stuck record until changes at the top happen.

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BELIEVER's picture

September 19, 2016 at 09:21 am

The wide receivers are fine, this is on RODGERS and crap play calling. Did anybody see a fullback.

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:01 pm

Well that just sucked! I don't know what else to say. First things first. Rodgers has to play better. Missing a number of wide open WRs. And ball security? He is lucky his offensive players recovered all but 1 of his fumbles.
If Rodgers plays at an average level they win this game.

I hated going for the first down when down by 3. Have to take the points to tie it up. It felt desperate to me. I really hated that they went for it with out Lacy in there.

Hopefully this game doesn't come back to bite us at the end of the year.

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Samson's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:05 pm

Are you kidding? --- We're already looking at a wildcard because of this game.

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:14 pm

Well considering this was the first of 6 division games and the 2nd week of the season. There is a lot happen the rest of the year.

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badaxed's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:03 pm

Rogers is done. Trade him for a 7th rounder ted. Wait he tried that with Sitton and got nothing. The real cancer on this team is the albino himself.

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Samson's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:09 pm

Calling TT names does little but you're still close. The season will only get worse All of TT:s snafus will show up eventually.

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Duke Divine's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:05 pm

Theeeeey suck!

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EdsLaces's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:06 pm

I remember telling my buddies this offense was going to be a juggernaut.....haha kinda makes me giggle now.

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carusotrap's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:19 pm

This.

I'm most upset that I keep buying the offensive juggernaut line that the media keeps feeding us. There's been nothing of the sort in GB for 12 regular season games now.

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J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

September 19, 2016 at 02:06 am

more like 18 games.

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September 18, 2016 at 11:08 pm

This was mostly on Rodgers and my worst fear is coming true. It wasn't just losing Nelson last season to set this team in a spiral downward spin, it's a combination of Rodgers poor performances and McCarthys stale, predictable offense. That throw to Adams looked like Matt Flynn threw the damn ball and Rodgers is still starting to scramble LONG before he needs to and avoiding wide open receivers only to throw the ball 30 yards down field and 5 yards out of bounds. Jordy isn't going to fix this offense. Gone are those pin point throws like a rocket down the middle of the field and the sad thing is I don't think they have the Receivers to fix it. Lacy only ran the ball like 12 times. Seems like the fundamentals MM talked about this summer weren't achieved in 5 or 6 offensive series in the preseason. No AP, No TB, a QB that knows a quarter of the playbook, and they lose.

You guys can hate on Cow all you like, frankly I'm not a fan either. But lets face it, he's the only one who's been right about this team. It's time to clean house because this is EXACTLY what we've been watching since last season and it's only getting worse.

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:14 pm

Re: Cow - when you say everything sucks all the time, you can't be given credit when something actually does suck.

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JerseyAl's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:16 pm

I'm glad someone understands what cow does. It's called the shotgun approach.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:28 pm

Lol. So true.

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Tarynfor12's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:14 pm

Hold on here....I've telling you guys also. : )

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J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

September 19, 2016 at 03:25 am

I thought all we had to do was draft the Fackler and we were all set??

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Tarynfor12's picture

September 19, 2016 at 09:16 am

Fackrell put A.P out.

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Oppy's picture

September 19, 2016 at 07:25 pm

Yeah, tackling a guy who goes down awkwardly and injures his knee- that's the sign of a quality scouting assessment.

GTFOHWTS

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:16 pm

Did you just say cow was right??? Hold on Nick... wait till tomorrow till your sober....

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EdsLaces's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:15 pm

My...thoughts...exactly..

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cpitt's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:21 pm

We won't know if its Mccarthy's offense contributing until another qb is put in. Who knows what Rodgers keeps audibleing in and out of-- For now, im going to reserve judgment, whereas we can all see with crystal clarity that Rodgers is awful.

Cow isnt right. With adequate qb play this is still a 13 win team IMO

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Colin_C's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:28 pm

#starthundley ;-)

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Amanofthenorth's picture

September 19, 2016 at 02:09 am

What is with all the off balance throws? And all the misses. He just never did that when he was younger.. Listening to Michaels talk about how Rodgers likes to practice off balance throws...and I thought... best go back to the basics a bit... I'm sure he will.. Unless he is gun shy... which is a tough fix.

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EdsLaces's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:08 pm

Eddie is getting in a rhythm this drive .....next drive we better play Starks. What the flip kip!!????

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mrtundra's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:23 pm

and it was Starks running into a wall on that 4th and 1 play. Where was Lacy or Ripkowski?

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Tundraboy's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:31 pm

Having a hot dog I hope.

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Flow49's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:08 pm

Any chance Rodgers will cover the cost of my TV remote? It's my first remote casualty since 1988. This offense is hard to watch. I get having a hard time scoring against a good defense but we struggle to move the ball even a little bit to start every game. And the toss sweep from shotgun should not be used 10 times a game. We need to get back to the drawing board on the offense.

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cpitt's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:12 pm

This loss is 100% on Rodgers. Terrible in every way. It was interesting to hear that snippett he told al and chris about--in practice he doesnt like to practice throws with good footing. Well shit, man. Maybe you should because youre garbage right now and have been for a almost every game in the last year. He has to start stepping into every throw. Honestly, id rather have Hundley right now. Our defense is really good and its wasted because of Rodgers pride or boredom or whatever, who knows. Hes going to get Mccarthy fired.

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croatpackfan's picture

September 19, 2016 at 05:08 am

Maybe that is his idea. And he will support Tom Clements for HC!

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Since'61's picture

September 19, 2016 at 12:21 am

This game came down to Randall being unable to cover Diggs, it wasn't even close and to Aaron Rodgers playing absolutely terribly. He was bad tonight right up to his final interception. In the first half we couldn't make a first down without a penalty. Then we gave some back with holding calls. Offense executed a little better in the second half but playing from behind on the road is always a tough go. Our D looked good, except for Randall, but of course Burnett gets injured. We'll need to wait to see how bad his hamstring is. In the meantime can we send a search party out to find Aaron Rodgers? He has not been the same player at all since last season's bye week. Not only is he playing poorly but he looks miserable every time the camera is on him. He is not having fun at all. At least we had some smiles and fun with Favre even on his bad days. Once again this team needs some leadership but now it's the offense that needs a leader. Maybe getting back to Lambeau will help the offense get some rhythm. Bad, sloppy, September football game to forget and move on. Remember, it's only week 2. Thanks, Since '61

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Mojo's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:42 pm

Randall certainly didn't have a great game, but I must say most of the big plays from Diggs was because of pinpoint passing by Bradford. There's nothing any CB can do when a QB puts it on the receivers hands and his body is shielding the defender. Diggs had a big game - but make no mistake about it - Bradford made him look good.

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Since'61's picture

September 19, 2016 at 12:24 am

Mojo - fair point. Bradford's throws were accurate but Randall was beaten on most plays. Thanks, Since '61

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croatpackfan's picture

September 19, 2016 at 05:12 am

As you noted by yourself, Since, Aaron was the culprit, not Randall. He get very tough assignement with no help on it. If Aaron "missed" that interception, you would not see Diggs beats Randall at the last play of the game... It is that simple! Thanks...

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Since'61's picture

September 19, 2016 at 03:27 pm

Croat - the last play of the game was irrelevant but just a microcosm of Randall's entire game. As for drawing a difficult assignment my response is Herb Adderly.
Regardless, if Rodger's plays well the Packers still win this game even with Randall not being up for his assignment. This loss is on Rodgers, no excuses, case closed. Thanks, Since '61

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JerseyAl's picture

September 19, 2016 at 09:46 am

In addition, there was little to no safety help for Randall. So focused on stopping AP, Capers threw covering Diggs solely into Randall's lap. Diggs is too tough to stay with alone. Vikings offense when Diggs was involved - 9 plays for average of 20yds a play. All other Vikings offensive plays combined - average of 2 yds per play.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 20, 2016 at 12:46 pm

Game did come down to Diggs when it shoukd never have come to that Yet another lost opportunity of MM going away from what was working and giving momentum back with his inept play selection and use of personnel. This time only worse because of Rodgers horrible performance. Brutal yes, but true.

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stockholder's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:15 pm

Joe Thomas is looking much improved. Using the sidelines nicely this year. Still missed on a open field tackle but had support. The defensive line and the linebackers played well. Don't like the try on 4th and 1. In a visitors stadium, should have kicked the Field Goal. My Final thoughts are still on Devante Adams. Sorry but this guy has wrecked A-Rod. How can you be happy with a Fumble. Droped pass again near the end zone. (Flag saved him) If you would have noticed Adams flew down the field not wasting any steps. On the shorter routes he's using to many Dance steps and tipping off the DBs. I knew once I saw him in the game more the Packers would lose. Every Big game will be lost, if they Keep trying to throw to him. We have 6WRs on this team with three TEs. The packers brass need to quit trying to prove the fact that he's a #3wr. The guy will only catch anything in his bread basket. And where were those wonderful throws to him on the line of scrimmage. Very painful to watch the packers lose this.

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:21 pm

Adams was up and down for sure, but I have a hard time calling that almost-TD a drop. He completely laid out to get it (while being interfered with) and almost came up with it.

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stockholder's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:37 pm

Quit making excuses for the guy. Go back and watch the throws and targets to Adams. Adams is a Bust. Clear and simple. The more they throw to him, the more they'll lose. He still is stationary on his routes. Every WR moves around but Adams. To many footsteps by the end zone. Should have been picked. The last throw to Adams was picked.

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cpitt's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:25 pm

Oh please. Arodge could have him thrown out of the game in a second if he wanted to. That int was completely on 12, and if not for 17 pushing the db in the first half, he wouldve had another. All 12s problems start with 12 and his mechanics/unwillingness to take what the d gives him/refusal to spread the ball around

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September 18, 2016 at 11:40 pm

You will not see A-Rod change till Adams is Benched. A-rods confidence is gone. Farve better come back and tudor him again. Because Farve would never have put up with Adams!

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croatpackfan's picture

September 19, 2016 at 05:14 am

Glad that we find out who is the culprit for all bad things... Thank you!

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BELIEVER's picture

September 19, 2016 at 11:03 am

That is a new theory, Adams wrecked Rodgers. That might have some merit. Since Devante came along Rodgers has slid down hill.

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Kyle Graham's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:16 pm

Man I think everyone is overreacting just a bit... Which as packers fans we tend to do. We lost a game at Minnesota on the opening night of their new stadium. That's not shocking. Rodgers not playing well was shocking but guess what? We have 4 straight home games now. I said at the start of the season if we could come out of the first 2 games 1-1 I would be happy and we did. Remember that jordy looked even better tonight and you know Aaron Rodgers will be fine. So step off the ledge people... we will be ok!

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Tarynfor12's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:19 pm

Shock treatment !!!!!!!

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:21 pm

Yup I agree completely...
if a team goes 14-2 they have to lose 2 games along the way somewhere...
remember to this is the teams 4th game on the road in a row including preseason. They haven't played home in over a month.

Also the Packers lost by 3. In a game in which Rodgers had one of his worst games. Losing by 3 points to your biggest rival on their home opener in a brand new stadium...

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:25 pm

I'm a big fan of not overreacting. What concerns me was that Rodgers suddenly and shockingly turned mediocre in the second half of last year. All summer we were wondering if he would be back to his normal self, especially with Jordy back. The early returns are not promising at all. I'm not in any way giving up, but for the first time ever, I don't, with 100% certainty, "know Aaron Rodgers will be fine."

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 19, 2016 at 12:00 am

I like many others do feel that a big reason why the Packers offense hasn't fired on all cylinders yet is from not playing in the preseason. They have a lot of rust to work through.
Also lets not forget that the OL has 2 new starters, and Nelson is coming back from a torn ACL. Also add in the additions of Davis and Cook. They have to find themselves again.

I'm not to worried as of now. If it looks the same in week 8, then I will worry. Not yet though.

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croatpackfan's picture

September 19, 2016 at 05:18 am

Yeah, I know, those unimportant games! Where your starters may be hurt. I even heard that practicing may hurt starters. Lets sit them from the practicing. To prevent them to be hurt. What else we can do? Oh, I know, let sit them through the season games - well they are likely to be hurt while playing them. And than we can start them in SB, if we reach SB.

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September 19, 2016 at 05:48 am

Hi Croat! Pretty much agree. I think there is a happy medium in terms of playing starters in pre-season games. I don't think practice ever really can be the same as a game, but scrimmages against another team, with some guys wearing the red 'don't hit me' jersey, would be a nice substitute.

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 19, 2016 at 08:16 am

I agree with that somewhat, but I just can't shake these images of Rodgers flat up missing throws to open receivers. I would blame that on preseason, but it dates back to last season.

One small positive is that they seemed to realize late in the game that throwing to Cook is generally a good idea, so I hope that continues.

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Christopher Gennaro's picture

September 19, 2016 at 07:11 pm

i agree with the rust comment, but the additions of cook and davis, i dont agree with. davis played what three snaps on offence, cook was targeted 3 times, jared saw the field 3 times, and ty saw no offence snaps. i understand them wanting to get the three starters reps, but open the playbook up, right now teams and fans are calling the plays before the snap. people talk that there was no film on bradford in a viks uniform, the film on the last three guys is so small, we may just catch the defense flat. why invest in 7 wrs on game day and come out in standard formation 75% of the game. not worrying just frustrated with process and dreaming of possibilities. oh yeah free rip!!

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mrtundra's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:17 pm

Did Ha Ha play tonight? Never heard his name called. Schum's punting makes me wonder why we got rid of Masthay. Hope Guion's injury isn't a bad one. He was great tonight, as was Daniels. This loss is squarely on ARod's shoulders. Bad passes and three fumbles pretty much says it all. Also, going on 4th and 1 instead of going for an almost certain Crosby FG makes me scratch my head. After ARod's TD, we would have been tied. Hopefully we can turn it around next week so we don't go into the bye 1-2. What a blown opportunity to take the reins in the NFC North.

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Tarynfor12's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:18 pm

And to think how easy the Chargers handled Jac today.....almost and should have loss to them......0-2 it should be......but this 1-1 feels the same. : )

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carusotrap's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:23 pm

Thanks for mentioning this. I watched JAX today. We should be 0-2.

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September 18, 2016 at 11:28 pm

I saw an article on an ESPN site that said the refs miscalled or just plain missed 16 calls against the Packers in the Jacksonville game. 0-2 is right.

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johngalt's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:25 pm

Strangely- seems what was once one of the bigger concerns (D line) is the strongest/ most consistent part of this team. While the entire offense is milk toast, predictable, and stale, Daniels and company were solid. Too bad about AD- Go Pack!

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pacman's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:25 pm

Time for a RELAX statement from AR. Maybe then I can feel that things will be ok. MM needs a long vacation. I just don't think he adds anything to this team. Yes, I know when he gave up calling plays things went downhill. But that doesn't mean he will be able to take us to a SB. Down 3, your team is NOT playing well and you don't take the 3 points to tie it up! And then you do it without Lacy to push it through? So he surprised everybody - and they still didn't get it. When is the last time the Packer have been able to push straight up the middle?

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Mike McSchottenheimer's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:26 pm

The offense had better production under Clements than McCheeseburger. This is statistical fact.

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holmesmd's picture

September 19, 2016 at 08:23 am

Linsley is much more powerful than Tretter so his absence is really felt in the power run game IMO:/ I think the O-line misses him more than they know.

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Mike McSchottenheimer's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:25 pm

The defense wasn't perfect but they held the Vikings to 17 points. Rodgers played poorly but he isn't the problem. Clements wasn't the problem last year. McDimwit's remedial offensive strategy has been the problem since 2011. 3rd & 4? Let's run vertical stems at 10-15 yds. As long as McCheeseburger is at the helm Rodgers will never sniff another Super Bowl.

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September 18, 2016 at 11:28 pm

This game was there to be won, and AR and MM messed it up. Again. Rodgers was outplayed by a journeyman QB who's only been with his team for 2 weeks. MM made a number of STUPID calls, most notably not taking the points when you're down 3 in the 2nd half and then compounding his mistake by calling that ASSININE Starks run up the gut from the shotgun.

The bottom line is that AR needs to hit his spots again. MM needs to call a better game. Those are the 2 key players on the team, and if they don't bring home the bacon, the team won't win. Add in that the secondary, and especially Randall, need to play better. That does need to be looked at.

And all that to say, I'm actually somewhat encouraged. There were execution problems and physical mistakes on offense - especially by AR and MM. But they had a rhythm in the 4th quarter against a good defense for the first time in a LONG time. You’ve got to think he figures it out. And Jordy will only get better. And the pass rush and run D look great. And Eddie looks solid.

Throw on to all this - September doesn't really matter. Just don't completely screw it up. Get hot at the end and all will be well. Look at our schedule going forward. There's seriously not any game that's even remotely difficult as this until December.

Take heart: This team isn't old. MM didn't suddenly get stupid. AR didn't suddenly lose his ability. They'll figure it out. And if they don't, THEN heads will roll after this year, and they should.

Lotta ballgame left.

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mrtundra's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:32 pm

We also held their running game to 30 yards. I have to admit I was on the edge of my seat on that final drive by Green Bay until Waynes intercepted the pass to Adams. Until then, we were moving the ball.

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GVPacker's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:40 pm

Good point Bearmeat I guess MM and the braintrust just want to stay healthy, get a playoff berth and hope the team finds a groove like 2010.

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Mike McSchottenheimer's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:32 pm

Can someone please tell me what makes McCarthy this upper echelon strategist I keep hearing from everyone under the sun? I don't see it. Could McCarthy have pulled off what McDaniels has done? Not a chance.

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Handsback's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:34 pm

The Packer offense has no dynamic flow. It's Rodgers sets and waits and maybe runs or throws. Where are those 2.5 second passes? Where are those deadly slants and quick-outs?
It just seems like everything is static w/o any quick hits.

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GVPacker's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:35 pm

Al you said "The Packers Offense Needs Some New Idea's" Is that another way of saying TOO PREDICTABLE if it is I concur! But saying that is a no no. Josh Sitton said that last season and now he's gone. This one's on MM and Arod. How about throwing a screen pass once in awhile, How about using the Tight End's more? Arod's multiple fumbles and pick were shocking! Amazing how this offense looks like last years edition. Jordy's back but it doesn't appear to be helping! Keeping the starter's reps in preseason to the bare minimum has been hurting the offense big time!

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Flow49's picture

September 19, 2016 at 12:04 am

Slant pass would be a neat trick too!

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shinglesmcfanny's picture

September 18, 2016 at 11:47 pm

I think its safe to say that Rodgers need preseason time. Also safe to say that Nelson is a shell of himself.
* where's Abby?
* where's Ty?
Can we end the Devante Adams show now??
I hate to say it. But Jeff janis needs to get healthy and needs to play.

Don Barclay needs to try another sport. Football is not working out for him at the moment.

Cory Linsley is sorely missed at center. Tretter whiffed more blocks than he would care to admit.

The predictability of the offence has also carried over from 2015. That's part Mcarthy and part Rodgers at fault.

Letting Casey Hayward walk is seeming like a bad plan at this point. Randall makes mistakes at the worst possible times. Though he has also come through at times well. Randall would like to forget this game, thats for sure.

Inside linebackers are no longer an issue with the Green Bay Packers. Corner is.

Thoughts?

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September 19, 2016 at 12:03 am

I' am eagerly awaiting Jeff Janis club cast removal! Adams needs to sit

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Mojo's picture

September 19, 2016 at 12:04 am

Liked the defense overall. A lot of pursuit on the run plays. Especially sideline to sideline. They hit a number of pass plays but Bradford was dealing even though he took a lot of punishment.

Punting game was bad. Schum didn't help at all and our returners could have at least tried to return one. Constantly pinned back deep in our own territory.

Basically penalties were our offense for three quarters.

Expected GB to lose this one, but was pleasantly surprised to find out Minn isn't that good. Can't believe Bradford will continue to throw as well as he did tonight but he did show what you can do when throwing on rhythm and trusting your receivers. Great timing and route running won this game for them. But Bradford won't make it through the season. Too immobile with a suspect line. He's an injury waiting to happen.

Despite anemic execution GB could have easily won this game. The Lions and Bears both suck. This is GB's division to take if Arod gets it together.

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September 20, 2016 at 01:12 am

I thought we might lose this game to MN at home as well - but that was when they had Bridgewater. And it is not due to Bradford per se because I always had a pretty good opinion of Bradford.

I never would have believed that a QB with just 2 weeks in the system could come in and play at a high level (121 passer rating). Other than Diggs, his WRs aren't even all that good. What about gaining that trust btw QB and WRs? What about getting in sync? How does this reflect on AR, since it apparently needs a full season, or two to three seasons, to gain his trust?

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Point-Packer's picture

September 19, 2016 at 12:03 am

Schum schucks. Worst than Masthay. Why can't we get a decent punter??

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guzzi2000's picture

September 19, 2016 at 12:08 am

I've said it before watching the Pack this year is like deja vu all over again. I've also said maybe not on this sight, but have said it the time has come to end the MM era. I know I will get blasted by the homers, but I call myself a homer from way back and when I say way back I have Lombardi's autograph that I received as a 12 year old the summer of the year of the first Super Bowl. I've a Packer fan for more years than most on this sight and have witness the thick and thin of many Packer seasons.
So, go ahead and blast away, the bleeding has to stop.

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September 19, 2016 at 12:34 am

You guy's can go back & read my post. I said the line was not favorable to GB. I said it looked like a Big Trap & a sure loss.

Maybe I'm the only one in the world, who believes this, You cannot beat the system out here. I'd hoped I was wrong on the line, but once again I wasn't. I didn't bet, but I'm just as sick as if I did. Yeah we had the Under, but a Win would have felt a lot better.

I tried to bring you a win with GB & the Under. Without the Rodgers Fumble, we Win & Cover both. You can't get much closer than that. It amazes me how Shit Happens. Even as bad as our Secondary played, it was a Win that slipped away.

Nothing for Minnesota to brag about, & the Sky hasn't fallen. Coming back home after 2 tough games on the road should make a Big Difference.
LVT

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September 19, 2016 at 05:16 am

This loss is on Aaron Rodgers, with some discredit to MM. First, AR was physically very inaccurate, both on long passes and on short ones. The passes to Adams in the endzone (PI called) and to Jordy near the 4 yd line were both under thrown. Multiple long passes to the sidelines were overthrown. Several short passes were over/under thrown or off line, including the pass to Starks and Cook. The pass that the MN LB batted down was way behind the intended receiver - might be a blessing that it was batted down!

Second, it seemed to me there were many plays where players were open over the middle, but AR wouldn't pull the trigger. Saw Davis open over the middle. The offense started to look better when we saw a slant (!) to Adams, and some passes to to the TEs and Cobb over the middle. One difference is that these passes are executed within the framework of the offense. It is good when AR drops backs and pulls the trigger right after his feet get set (i.e., instead of getting happy feet and dancing around, and 5 seconds go by). If the offense looks like a playground offense, it isn't a good offense. The playground, scramble drill offense should be the butter on the bread, not the staple of the offense.

Vic is spewing on 620. He defends AR, noting that although he was not sharp (omitting the again, again and the again & the 77 rating tonight), he did not see the WRs get much separation and sees no regression in AR's play. Vic then says it has to be one of the other: the WRs don't get open or AR is regressing. I mean, duh, this is a rhetorical trick to posit a false choice: of course it could be both: AR is regressing both in terms of accuracy and in terms of scanning the field, AND the WRs aren't as good as in previous years.

Again, keeping 7 WRs is not a sign of strength at the position; it means that the coaches could not identify 5 NFL-ready receivers. They played Adams and Nelson. Newman is old, Waynes is young and grabby, yet they couldn't capitalize. Nelson probably will regain more of his 2014 form. Adams? IDK, but maybe Abby, Davis, and Monty could have provided a spark. MM chose not to play the alternatives much, again. Lots of bright spots too. DL, ILB.

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croatpackfan's picture

September 19, 2016 at 05:30 am

This time not much to add! I agree!

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Denise Chanterelle's picture

September 19, 2016 at 01:19 am

There's something going on between Rodgers & McCarthy. One of them is going to end up leaving sooner than later. Rodgers seems very unhappy on the field, and on the sideline. McCarthy just stares straight ahead when his head isn't half hidden while calling a play. It's all seems very strange IMO. They are like 2 zombies out there.

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baldski's picture

September 19, 2016 at 03:13 am

I've watched the Packers for over 60 years and I think you are right Denise. I think Arod's head is in Hollywood and MM is afraid to tell him so. I watch the sideline interaction between the two when available especially after Arod's screw-ups. MM seems afraid to chew his ass out. This sends a bad message to the rest of the team. They got rid of Sitton to send a message and it hasn't worked at all. If Rogers does not clear his head and stop the happy feet, he needs to be benched!

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sonomaca's picture

September 19, 2016 at 01:38 am

The Vikings defense is really, really good, and Zimmer is as good a defensive mind as you'll find.

Diggs is a top 5 receiver in the NFL, and might eventually be the best receiver in the NFL. He's very tough to cover.

Sam Shields was sorely missed tonight.

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September 19, 2016 at 01:41 am

Oh, and Bradford is a top 10 QB, at least. The Vikes are "lucky" to have lost Bridgewater, who was never going to be as good as Bradford is right now.

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Finwiz's picture

September 19, 2016 at 08:49 am

Diggs is NOT a top five receiver, we just made him look like an ALL-PRO with no good defensive backs to cover him. Awful D-back play, when you have a guy like Gunter on the field, it's because you have nothing else. This is a 3rd string defensive back AT BEST!

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al bundy's picture

September 19, 2016 at 12:55 pm

Thdvikes had two top defensive backsnot playing or it could have been worse. Notice how rogers forte is dripping back looking for the open guy rather thanrifling the ball betweenpeople, quick slants quick passes. He is givng ds a lot of time to cover our guys.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 19, 2016 at 05:12 am

Interesting tweets compilation:

Aaron Nagler -Trevor Davis was WIDE open on the crosser there on 3rd down.

Comment From MadMan-I thought we were going to exploit the middle. All these out routes suck.

Comment From Bearmeat - Aaron missed the throw. Again. COME ON

Zach Kruse - Rodgers had Cobb. Airmailed it. He's off. Way off. Aaron Nagler - Cobb was plenty open on 3rd down. Rodgers just has to hit him in stride

CD Angeli -I'm not blaming Adams for that one, kids. That ball was under thrown as was going to be picked off. Adams made a smart play.

Aaron Nagler -It might be time to start asking what kind of coaching Rodgers is getting and/or if he's taking it. Because he looks un-coached tonight
Zach Kruse -Set your feet and throw the ball.

RobinsonDavis - I don't get it. We compete passes down the middle and we go to the fade?

Comment From Bearmeat - And ARod. With the miss. Again. Unreal.

Cory Jennerjohn - Nice slant route by Adams. Minnesota's secondary is actually cheating to the outside.

Comment From MarkH - Are you kidding me? He can't even complete that pass? Comment From RJC
C'mon Aaron, get it together!

RobinsonDavis - Got greedy had Cook open

Zach Kruse - Waynes all alone on an island and Rodgers doesn't even look his way. ISOLATE THE WEAKNESS

Michael Cohen - Rodgers picked off by Waynes, who jumped in front of Adams on an underthrown ball. Waynes didn't bite on the double move.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

September 19, 2016 at 01:18 pm

I'm starting to wonder if they even have an Offensive Playbook.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 19, 2016 at 01:44 pm

For a guy with a supposedly deep play book it keeps getting smaller every year.

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croatpackfan's picture

September 19, 2016 at 05:33 am

Correct point of view!

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Packer_Pete's picture

September 19, 2016 at 06:03 am

Well, last week the narrative was "heat and they've played against a good Jaguars team". I watched the Chargers - Jaguars game (long story...), and believe me, the Jaguars are not a good team (crossed midfield yesterday a total of 6 times in the game... - against the Chargers D LOL). I've said the only chance they have to get 6 wins is because of the weak division they play in, regulars here vehemently disputed that, but I stand by that more than ever. The Jaguars are a below average team, and came close to beating the Packers. Maybe some people should put that win last week into perspective when looking at expectations for this Packers season...

Yesterday, what I saw was an uninspired O and a good D. And uninspired is putting it mildly. I don't know how much more predictable they want to become. 3rd and short just chuck it long down the field. I guess the start QB saw something. Incomplete, so shrug shoulders and walk off the field. When he had a couple guys open 5 yards beyond the LOS, but why just take the easy throw and move the chains? After all, one has to cement his status as GOAT to get even more media admiration...

The D played well for the most part. DBs are shaky, but holding an opponent to 17 points should be enough on the road... Pass rush was good, run D was great.

Lacy had a couple of nice runs, and then immediately was either taken off or there was some boneheaded play call afterwards that I've thought man couldn't have been worse with me calling the plays after a few adult beverages...

Final thought: Remember the last transplants with Nagler last season? He showed how #12 needs some coaching to get back to fundamentals, since he never really threw with good form and technique. Yesterday was a prime example during the whole game, and when Al and Collinsworth said that he actually told them he practices that, it became very clear to me that this young man needs a COACH, not some cheerleaders who tell him every day how great he is. At the moment, #12 is not an elite QB in the NFL. Sure, physically he is capable of all throws required, but mentally I am not so sure. And this moment has been going on since last season... It may seem the unthinkable, but if he cannot execute the plays and will continue to play as badly as yesterday, it may be time to find out what the backup QB can do...

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croatpackfan's picture

September 19, 2016 at 07:36 am

Hey Packer_Pete. When I suggested last season similar thing, most of you here spitted on me, claiming that it is all on WR. It was never on WR. I will tell you one thing, I remember 1st week game against Seattle. Aaron did not throw once to the side of the field were Shermann was - not in the direction of Sherman, but not to that side of the field. I remember 4 times when Davante Adams was alone like ghost on that side of the field waiting at the line of end zone and Sherman was 25-30 yards away. He never throw it to Davante. He did not try once.
I said earlier in my comment that Aaron becomes addict to "free plays". Why? Because he can throw the ball w/o fear of interception. Thank God interception occured last game. Maybe he become avare of were he is going!

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Finwiz's picture

September 19, 2016 at 08:44 am

Rodgers has regressed over the last 15 games or so, in the respect that he does what he never did in his best years, he stares down receivers and doesn't look off the coverage anymore. Not to mention is no longer accurate in his passes. Yesterday he looked like Brett Favre.

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September 19, 2016 at 08:47 am

Oh yeah, but on here all last week, all the green and gold Kool-Aid drinkers were saying HOW GREAT Jacksonville was, and how they were and up and coming playoff team. I am here to tell you, as I told you then, the Jaguars are not a good team, we just made them look like a GOOD team with our awful defensive back play, and our awful defensive scheme. They should have fired Capers 2-3 years ago, and now that the coach has stuck with him, I'm starting to think the coaches job should be on the line. That would be the HEAD coach I am talking about. Someone needs to light a fire under that coaches AZZ!

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Packer_Pete's picture

September 19, 2016 at 10:19 am

If you'll look back to last weeks' comments you will see that I posted Jacksonville is a below average team.
I disagree with the fire Dom Capers mentality, The Jacksonville game was won because of the D. Yesterday, the D played good enough to win. Held the opponent to 17 points. Practically eliminated their run game. And I don't really care how many yards they give up in the D backfield. they gave up only 17 points. 2 TDs and 2 FGs would've been enough to win then...
The D is good enough to win most games this season, I'm certain of that. The O the way they are currently playing is not. So the problem is O, not D.

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toolkien's picture

September 19, 2016 at 06:27 am

The PACKERS are simply too egotistical. McCarthy, Rodgers, et al. TWO preseason series for Rodgers in this precision based NFL? Simply not enough. Too much swagger and not enough fundamentals. TT has provided potency, as always, it's just not coached properly. Fat players, predictable plays, and living on past successes. But the real upshot, now that the Packers have decided to dismantle the juggernaut passing game for balance - balance between O and D and balance on O between pass and run - is that McCarthy is not bright enough, even against average opposing coaching, to win without being spotted 20 points in the first half. Actually have to come up with a game plan? Not so much.

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Packer_Pete's picture

September 19, 2016 at 06:57 am

Everyone always brings up the preseason. Why? It's vanilla defenses and vanilla offenses. It's young guys fighting for roster spots. The timing of routes, the communication of QB to WR and TE with the OL in between is not made and discovered in preseason. It's done in practice! So what I am really asking, what exactly are the Packers doing in practice to improve this? It seems that every year McCarthy teams come out unprepared. Yes, they started with a big win streak last season, but that wasn't all good either. I just don't know, this is not an accident. It's not a completely new offense with new coaches, a lot of the core players have been playing here for years.
Ted goes and gets a TE to stretch the middle of the field and apparently he is an afterthought already. Run game? Really just there the support the 'chuck-it-down-the-field' mentality of your star QB. 3rd and short? go for the 40 yard downfield pass instead of finding your open WR or TE 5 yards beyond the LOS...

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croatpackfan's picture

September 19, 2016 at 07:43 am

Every team plays preseason games in every sport. They are vanilla, they are not discovering any tactical or special secrets about teams, but they serve to build "chemistry" or unity of the starters. Because there is no practice where you can simulate speed of the game. Even preseason game is not on the level of the speed of season games. And that is why they are perfect for building timing, trust and chemistry (unity) of the starters. You do not need to play 4 preseason games with your starters, but at least half or two will be sussicient to get what you need!

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Finwiz's picture

September 19, 2016 at 08:37 am

You're FINALLY figuring out that it's a total catch 22 about NOT playing your veteran key players in preseason? If you do play them, you get them in GAME SHAPE, but of course the trade of is, YOU EXPOSE THEM TO POTENTIAL INJURY. If you don't play them, they enter the regular season in perfect health, but not game pressure tested, or in game shape, and possibly get hurt in the 1st couple of games any way! I'm old school....play your starters in preseason, get them in game shape, but substitute freely and be smart about limiting reps. BUT THEY HAVE TO PLAY!

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Finwiz's picture

September 19, 2016 at 08:41 am

People that don't UNDERSTAND the importance of preseason game time are uninformed, millennial generation fans that don't understand the difference between being and game shape, and simple cardio shape. There's a huge difference in how hard you push your body when it's under pressure and you know some guy is going to hammer you if he catches you, or on defense, if you have to stretch the limits of your physical ability to catch that receiver or running back. We've created a team of soft players that can't function under pressure until game 6 because they haven't been tested at game speed in stressful situations.

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al bundy's picture

September 19, 2016 at 09:03 am

Tuned in the jax game for a minute. They were down 21 zip and bortles couldnt pass gas. With that said, i felt pass d was the achiles heel of this team. Our pass d played super yesterday. They played to their drafted abilities. They lacked speed, quicness and size when drafted and stii do. I beleive they are playing to thier abilities. So blame Ted, not capers. When teams barely try to run that should be our first clue.

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