Packers vs Broncos: Important Takeaways for Green Bay

Here is a quick breakdown of some of the key takeaways from the Packers 20-17 loss to the Broncos. 

The third preseason game is always billed as the dress rehearsal in the National Football League, which generally means the starters play all or most of the first half.

However, the Packers abandoned that philosophy, at least as far as Aaron Rodgers is concerned, after the starting quarterback took some hits on the first two offensive drives of the game for Green Bay.

Yet, Rodgers was still able to lead the Packers to a field goal and on the first drive following his exit, Ty Montgomery was able to plow his way into the end zone, right after a Kentrell Brice interception put the ball at the Denver two, to give Green Bay an early 10-0 lead.

Ultimately, the Broncos would win the game 20-17, but of course in the preseason, the final result isn’t what matters, so here is a quick breakdown of some of the most important takeaways from Green Bay’s 20-17 loss to Denver.

Offensive line looks shaky --

There is no question that the Packers have to be concerned about their offensive line, especially the depth. Without Bryan Bulaga, both Jason Spriggs and Kyle Murphy got a shot to play right tackle and neither impressed. But the play of the backup offensive line only got worse as the game wore on. Rodgers was sacked once, Hundley was sacked four times. It may seem like a long shot, but GM Ted Thompson really might want to think about a veteran addition on the O-line.

Running game finally produces --

So far this preseason, the ground game has been basically non-existent for the Packers, so it was nice to see Montgomery, Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones and even Davante Mays do some good things with the football.

Montgomery’s 25-yard run in the first quarter helped set up a field goal and he also scored one of the Packers' two touchdowns. He finished with three carries for 31 yards, while Williams opened eyes as a receiver, catching three passes for 46 yards. Aaron Jones also rushed six times for 43 yards and also ripped off a 28-yard run, while Mays ran five times for 12 yards and caught one pass for six.

The biggest bright spot was Montgomery finally looking like himself, but with all three rookies doing positive things, it’s possible Green Bay will end up with all three first-year backs on the final 53-man roster.

Defense continues to be solid --

Green Bay may have given up 20 points overall, but defensive coordinator Dom Capers had to be pleased with the way his first unit played. Broncos starting quarterback Trevor Siemian, was 13-of-22 for 127 yards and an interception, good enough for a passer rating of only 56.4.

That number was certainly helped by the Kentrell Brice interception, but all in all, the Packers defense did a solid job. The pass rush looked solid, even though the injury to Nick Perry is concerning, and the run defense allowed just four yards per carry, limiting C.J. Anderson to 31 yards on nine attempts. Of course, you never really know how the defense will hold up, but after what we have seen through three preseason games, there are reasons for optimism.

Bubble players stand out --

The most important part of the preseason is the evaluation of players and on that front, three guys that stood out to me were Trevor Davis, Reggie Gilbert and Brian Price.

Davis opened the preseason with a punt return for a touchdown against the Eagles, but then followed it up with a fumble last week vs the Redskins. But Saturday night, Davis put together another good showing. For one, he returned a punt 27 yards. Yet, he also caught three passes for 39 yards, meaning the wide receiver has probably done enough to stick on the final roster.

Gilbert, who is trying to make the team as an outside linebacker, showed off his pass rush skills with a sack against the Broncos and Price, who has played well for most of the summer, did the same. However, both players may still be the victims of a numbers game.

At outside linebacker, the Packers are sure to keep five players before Gilbert, who would be the sixth guy at that spot assuming Vince Biegel is on the active roster. With the way he has produced as a pass rusher, Green Bay should think long and hard about keeping him, but sometimes, having only 53 spots means letting some good players go.

That could be the case for Price too. If the Packers keep six defensive lineman, he has a good chance, but with Kenny Clark, Mike Daniels, Ricky Jean-Francois, Dean Lowry and Montravius Adams all locks to make the team, it could get dicey for Price, who has put out some positive things on film all preseason long. 

Getting down 53 players is never easy and for the Packers, with so many players competing for so few spots, the final cutdown, is going to involve some very difficult decisions. 

 

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Chris is a sports journalist from Montana and has been blogging about the Packers since 2011. Chris has been a staff writer for CheeseheadTV since 2017 and looks forward to the day when Aaron Rodgers wins his second Super Bowl. Follow him @thepackersguru

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NickPerry's picture

August 27, 2017 at 06:33 am

Haven't watched the entire game yet but from everything I've read and what I have watched Thompson better do more than "Think long and hard" about getting the Packers a veteran O-Lineman. Spriggs has stunk in practice and stunk in the preseason games as well. How much more does Thompson need to see before getting some help?? At this point it's not about whether or not Bulaga is ready to go week one. It's about NOT going into the regular season with Murphy and Spriggs your first 2 off the bench!

Hope Nick Perry is okay.

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The TKstinator's picture

August 27, 2017 at 07:56 am

Veteran O lineman in a trade? Or wait for cutdown day?

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NickPerry's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:31 am

Good question...at this point probably both. I'm not saying neither can't turn it around. But's it's probably 99% accurate to say Spriggs won't be ready at any point this season. Murphy I have higher hopes for, at least for this season. But at this point, after week 3, I think you have to try to see who's out there to trade for. Since you can trade comp picks next year this would be the year to make a trade or two.

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RobinsonDavis's picture

August 27, 2017 at 01:18 pm

TT and MM have several issues to consider if looking for OLineman at this point. First, it appears to me that Barclay is headed to the IR. A complicating issue is where Patrick ends up with his concussion testing. So, not only do the Packers need depth at both tackle positions, they also need to address the interior line, including center. Last many veteran tackles have their expertise at left or right tackle positions. So just where do you need the help the most?

For Barclay to return from the IR the Packers will have to first add him to their starting 53 roster to start the season. Assuming Patrick and Bulaga are OK....a big "if" at this point...and with Spriggs and Murphy added, the Packers will tie-up 9 roster spots with the OLine prior to considering anybody else. IF the Packers were to find someone, and I hope they do, he ideally would be a multi-positional player and may have to be added after Barclay's move to the IR barring roster maneuvering that would leave other positional players unprotected at the time of the cut to 53. Thus, Dobber's assessment below, may be the most accurate.

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croatpackfan's picture

August 28, 2017 at 02:33 am

They do not need to add Barclay to the roster first to be able to place Barclay to the IR. Read the basic rules of NFL. That will help you in your discussions!

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RobinsonDavis's picture

August 28, 2017 at 04:23 pm

Yes, they do if they plan for Barclay to return during the season. Right back at you with your rule book quote, Croat!!

"A player who is "Designated For Return" must have suffered a major football-related injury or non-football-related injury or illness after reporting to training camp and must have been placed on the applicable Reserve List after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on the day AFTER the final roster reduction." http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000816590/article/20172018-national...

However, as of today, according to a report I heard on the radio, MM seems to giving the impression Barclay will be ready to start the season. An acquaintances told me he heard Barclay hasn't been to a practice since the injury though.

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Tundraboy's picture

August 27, 2017 at 01:53 pm

Perhaps both!

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dobber's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:38 am

Realistically, I just don't see either happening.

I think they roll with what they have and take their chances. Yes, it makes me uneasy, but I think that's what they're likely to do.

Spriggs had stretches where he looked OK, and after watching some plays again, he's getting very little from the LG playing next to him (Amichia, in most cases, who looks like he's a long shot for the PS, even). I don't get after him for being beaten by Von Miller last night. It's going to happen to a lot of good Ts this season.

If either Spriggs or Murphy has to play a few games, I think they can limp through it, but it will cost them Bennett, who will have to stay in-line and help out. I think many teams would be forced to do that playing their backup T.

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ChrisPeterson's picture

August 27, 2017 at 10:31 pm

I think Cutdown day is more likely. Maybe a decent get will come free. I am thinking guard or center as far as tackle is concerned, the Packers are probably stuck with what they have.

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porupack's picture

August 28, 2017 at 01:09 am

So the solution to 2 underperforming 2nd string players is to go to the scrap heap from some other inferior team? I can only imagine what hidden gems are there for TT legacy....the master at finding diamonds in the rough.

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dobber's picture

August 28, 2017 at 08:36 am

I'm just glad the underperforming players aren't starters.

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flackcatcher's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:29 am

I think Spriggs and Murphy are close Nick. Much will depend on the health of Barkley, he backs up three positions on the line. Packers got nailed in the FA market, who would have ever thought TJ Lang would net 16 million for what could be his last pro contract. JC Tretter 10 million. It's the curse of being good at picking and development. Looking back at the game, I think(and I written this before) Spriggs has not adjusted to the extra mass he put on. He's going fine, then seems to run out of gas. There is a lack of endurance and focus there. Almost Robert Newhouse like. Murphy has a problem dealing with speed rushers, he's a bit stiff on his lateral movement. Both are adjusting to the faster level of play, but neither are not quite there yet. Maybe by midseason, maybe. I would not be surprised if they picked up a veteran O lineman after the monster cut. That would be a clear sign that the packers think this could be their year.

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Finwiz's picture

August 27, 2017 at 09:35 am

Watch Spriggs really close when he has to move laterally to adjust to a spin move. Like on the sack to Miller. He has no lateral movement at all, it's like he freezes and can't perform. Maybe he just locks up mentally and can't perform under pressure? I've never seen a guy that doesn't move his feet at all. Maybe he just doesn't process what he's seeing mentally and can't move his body because of it? Who knows, but right now, he's not starter material.

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WKUPackFan's picture

August 27, 2017 at 10:30 am

Marshall Newhouse. Robert Newhouse played 12 years for the Cowboys. And it's Barclay, not Barkley.

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RobinsonDavis's picture

August 27, 2017 at 01:31 pm

And Marshall Newhouse signed another free-agent deal with Oakland for a $1.75 million cap hit this year, after playing for the Giants. I think he plays guard now though. This should point to the issue many teams have in finding depth. Tretter's cap hit with the Browns was for roughly $3.6 million this year. The Packers are paying Taylor and Evans $3.1 and $2.5 million per year, respectively. If they were unwilling to pay this for Tretter, what are they willing to pay now and who is willing to accept that amount? Just some other variables to consider.

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dobber's picture

August 27, 2017 at 07:02 pm

They're paying Taylor and Evans, but Taylor's was only a 2-year commitment (which is up after 2017) and Evans is only on a one-year deal. Neither has had the injury issues Tretter has.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:54 am

"How much more does Thompson need to see before getting some help??"

Since you asked... Based on Thompson's history in exactly these kind of situations it will take about 2 years.

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NickPerry's picture

August 27, 2017 at 02:09 pm

LOL... Thumbs up for that comment! It was actually more of a comment than a question but you're 100% right Jeremy and that's EXACTLY what I'm afraid of. You would think he's ;learned when he takes two years to address a weakness, then 2 or 3 OTHER weaknesses have come up. It's a never ending trend it seems.

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Bear's picture

August 27, 2017 at 04:48 pm

It's great to say Thompson has to get Oline help, but who??? There aren't a whole lot of talented linemen out there.

Anyone have a suggestion as to who they get!

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The TKstinator's picture

August 27, 2017 at 07:56 pm

Much appreciated, JS!

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Snake Plissken's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:12 pm

You'll see most of these guys last till week 2 so that teams don't have to guarantee their contracts.

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ChrisPeterson's picture

August 27, 2017 at 10:34 pm

Impressive research! I am not sure who the Packers like but they have to have some ideas of who they would turn too. If they have an emergency list, now is the time to get it out. I think they have 7 lineman. Spriggs and Murphy are worth keeping and Barclay I Guess. Although if Barclay has to play, it will be a nightmare, especially at center. OL feels like RB did to me last year. The Packers are rolling the dice, we will see if they get lucky.

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Spud Rapids's picture

August 28, 2017 at 09:49 am

TT can't predict health... if Barclay is healthy we aren't as concerned and what NFL team has the luxury of tackles on the bench that are starting caliber? Nobody...

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lou's picture

August 28, 2017 at 10:20 am

Short, to the point, and 100% accurate statement Spud

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 27, 2017 at 06:46 am

I was unimpressed by Hundley. This audition isn't going to garner a day two draft pick. I wasn't the only one unimpressed. From Mile High Report: "On the ensuing possession, the Packers let Hundley take the opening reps for their offense in the second half, but he looked just as poor against the second-string defense as he did [against] the Broncos’ first-team defense." That seems a bit harsh given the OL level of play, but I am still not impressed.

One should feel worse about our OL than it looked at first blush. Denver's starting RDE and LDE were inactive (Wolfe and Crick). Just before the end of the first quarter, Kerr (Wolfe's back-up) was injured and didn't return, leaving Denver with one starter, one 2nd stringer, and then 3rd and 4th stringers, some of whom saw the field late in the first quarter. Peko is their starting NT, signed to replace Sylvester Williams, and Gotsis backs up Crick. Peko is pretty good, not great. His contract is $3.75M per year. He is probably better than Guion, not as good as Raji. Our OL didn't really play the vaunted Denver DL.

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dobber's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:25 am

I agree that Hundley didn't look like a world-beater, but he was at least OK at feeling pressure (despite the number of sacks) and finding his checkdowns. This is still Denver's D and their depth is pretty good.

I think he plays a lot next week against a good defensive front, too. I don't think he's really hurt his stock, but he hasn't elevated too much. This off-season, the Packers will shop him and deal him if they can get a 4th or better.

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NickPerry's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:35 am

Is it me or does Hundley need to learn to throw the ball away? Just seemed some of these sacks on him could have been avoided and not just this week but every week so far.

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dobber's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:40 am

I think that's still his inexperience showing. It will come.

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Johnblood27's picture

August 27, 2017 at 01:28 pm

inexperience????

He has been playing QB his entire life including 3 years of some of the best NFL QB coaching AND watching the prototype QB play only feet from his face.

This cat needs to have the feeling of rocking chairs all over the room.

I think that we, as Packer fans, are whistling through the graveyard thinking that ANY NFL team is going to trade anything for Hundley.

He will carry the Packer backup clipboard until his contract expires, then he will sign elsewhere and TT will get a comp pick. Game over.

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Bearmeat's picture

August 27, 2017 at 02:18 pm

Have you SEEN the state of QBing for the bottom 10 offenses in the NFL year after year??? If anything, the draft, free agency and trades, have shown us that teams are willing to pay more than ever for mediocre options with upside. They're that desperate for quality QBs.

Look at the Texans. Browns. Jets. Jags. Vikings. Bills. 9ers. Bears.

The fact is the Hundly would start for almost 1/3 the teams in the NFL. Right bloody now. AND he has upside - no one knows what he can do yet! Someone will pony up a 3rd round pick this offseason to get Hundley. At least. Maybe a 2nd.

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croatpackfan's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:51 am

I agree with you regarding Brett Hundley. If Packers got 3rd round pick for him that will be good deal. He overthrow several throws, some throws was way away from the target and all together it was not nice show. I agree with that report you mentioned.
But looking through another glasses, we can say that Broncos starting QB was maybe more shaky than Brett.
Also, do not forget that schemes and plans were vanilla and that very good players should (and they were not) not have problems to defend. Same comes when we are talking Packers D.

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Rossonero's picture

August 27, 2017 at 07:01 am

My hope is the Packers keep Price since Guion was cut.

Like most, the back up offensive line looks weak. It's only a matter of time when injuries will hit. I wonder what is wrong with Spriggs -- is it mental? Lack of confidence? He should be taking a step forward this year, but it feels like he's going backward.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

August 27, 2017 at 10:06 am

I guess I'm alone here, but I actually thought Spriggs and Fackrell looked good on most their downs.

As for Hundley, his receivers were blanketed and his line overwhelmed. I thought his arm and movement were high-grade, given the circumstances. Remember, Rodgers went nowhere too.

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chugwater's picture

August 27, 2017 at 11:56 am

Fackrell continues to underwhelm in my opinion. He's a one trick pony at this point. He has an average speed rush move and that's it. He can't spin inside. He can't power the tackle back into the QB. In many instances, he's not even close.

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dobber's picture

August 28, 2017 at 08:40 am

I think Fackrell's value right now is in his versatility and athleticism. He can likely play just about any of the LB positions...maybe not starter quality, but he'll allow other guys to move around and create confusion for offenses.

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ChrisPeterson's picture

August 27, 2017 at 10:37 pm

I think Price will make it. He has played too well, you just never know with the numbers game.

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carusotrap's picture

August 27, 2017 at 07:16 am

"It may seem like a long shot, but GM Ted Thompson really might want to think about a veteran addition on the O-line."

Well, I think we know Ted sticks with "his guys" a long time - some say too long. Oh, he's got no problem tossing that older vet to the curb in a heartbeat, but he'll stay with the young guys. Who knows, it could be a case of coaches saying, "Spriggs will be OK someday" and Ted trusting that, but at this point, bringing in someone who doesn't know the playbook may not get you much more than the revolving door that is Spriggs and Murphy. (And to be honest, we do tend to do this...build our team and plan our Super Bowl run under the assumption that the Brian Bulaga-level players won't get hurt. Then they do, and you're watching Spriggs run into the field.)

I'm starting to wonder if maybe having Rodgers just makes Hundley look worse than he is. Hundley plays QB like a regular human and like most other QBs. Imagine if you're going into the season with Trevor Siemian. Hundley is better than Siemian right now, if only because he's been watching Rodgers.

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cuervo's picture

August 27, 2017 at 07:50 am

"Well, I think we know Ted sticks with "his guys" a long time - some say too long. Oh, he's got no problem tossing that older vet to the curb in a heartbeat, but he'll stay with the young guys"

And who at this point in the current season do you suggest TT sign to bolster the OL Mr. GM? Given the unexpected horrid play of Spriggs so far, TT will have to wait until cutdowns to try and find someone....IF he does at all.

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The TKstinator's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:01 am

I have a hard time believing there's a quality veteran OL floating around out there. MAYBE one will be a cap casualty.

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dobber's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:28 am

^^THIS^^

Especially a decent veteran OL who can play LT.

Just like people thought there was a good CB to be had floating around in the ether last November or December.

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RobinsonDavis's picture

August 27, 2017 at 03:45 pm

There were CBs being shopped out there, Dobber. What we did not know though was, at what price?

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dobber's picture

August 28, 2017 at 08:41 am

...and we'll never know if TT ever kicked the tires on any of them.

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Somedumbname's picture

August 27, 2017 at 10:37 am

Is Branden Albert still available? Otherwise wait for cut down.

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dobber's picture

August 28, 2017 at 08:41 am

I think he's made it pretty clear that he's done.

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NickPerry's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:44 am

The Packers have 11 draft picks next year. I'm sure (and it won't take much) Thompson could find someone to trade for who could at least pass protect. Like it or not Bill B would have traded for someone by now. I imagine that's why Bill has multiple SB wins and TT doesn't. Bill does what it takes to win and isn't afraid of perhaps "Wasting" a draft pick on a player who only gives him a year or two.

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dobber's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:47 am

Let's not invoke the hoodie, here. Nobody knows what he's going to do next, which makes it so hard to replicate his success.

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The TKstinator's picture

August 27, 2017 at 12:49 pm

"Invoke the hoodie": brilliant!!

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RobinsonDavis's picture

August 27, 2017 at 03:47 pm

Well, we shall see what Belicheck does now. Edelman appears to be out for the year with a knee injury. Amendola though is back and available. Regardless, TT does have more ammunition to play with than what he has in the recent past to swing something,if he decides to do so. But some of those draft picks for next year are still not set with respect to their projected positions.

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NickPerry's picture

August 27, 2017 at 02:23 pm

I'm curious too but he has Hogan and Cooks still. Hogan looked as though he just stepped into Edelman's role this weekend. Look I'm not crazy about Belichick but I have to admit I wish Ted had more of Bill in him.

"But some of those draft picks for next year are still not set with respect to their projected positions."

A reason I would think at least one team who's cutting a O-Lineman anyways and already knows it might trade him for something instead of just releasing him and getting nothing.

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RobinsonDavis's picture

August 27, 2017 at 03:10 pm

Viable and point taken, NP

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Hematite's picture

August 27, 2017 at 07:31 am

The offensive line is going to be a problem.
Especially if the injury bug bites hard.

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August 27, 2017 at 07:53 am

On this team, it's never if, but when.

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dobber's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:27 am

Most teams have that problem.

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August 27, 2017 at 08:37 am

Yup. But with GB it's been one position that gets nailed. It's the CURSE of 2010 I tell you, THE CURSE.///

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dobber's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:41 am

It's not just OL...it's a migrating curse. OL...CB...LB...WR...

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August 27, 2017 at 08:29 am

Well, the Oline may have some issues if they C/OTs can't stay healthy. The OLBs need depth, but think the pressure will come from all areas this year.

Again, just like last year and really every year where the Pack has very little depth.....fans want TT to get some guys to fill in. I just don't see any help from the cut downs of other teams. Green Bay needs to make sure who they have now will carry the load when asked. If Murphy or Spriggs are called upon to play, they have to step-up. No other guys coming into Green Bay with a white hat on that will save the day.

TT may add a few guys that affect the bottom of the roster, but don't see any new starters being released from other teams.

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dobber's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:39 am

"Again, just like last year and really every year where the Pack has very little depth.....fans want TT to get some guys to fill in. I just don't see any help from the cut downs of other teams. Green Bay needs to make sure who they have now will carry the load when asked. If Murphy or Spriggs are called upon to play, they have to step-up. No other guys coming into Green Bay with a white hat on that will save the day."

Well said, Handsback.

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NitschkeFan's picture

August 27, 2017 at 12:39 pm

You are probably right, But... last year I know a team that cut a Pro Bowl OG just before the season started! So it is possible.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 28, 2017 at 02:37 am

This is a very misleading comment. Your facts are divorced from reality. Sitton played the first 6 games, missed 2, and then missed one game thereafter. He played in 13 games. He played 72.6% of possible snaps, almost exactly what Lang played (72.7%). Sitton didn't have a good year by his standards, but he still was a tick or two above average. He is scheduled to earn $6.45M on average each year for 2016 and 2017. That is probably about what he's worth. I imagine Lane Taylor will earn a contract for about that kind of money if he replicates 2016. And no, Sitton was not cut due to injury or cap reasons.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 30, 2017 at 06:58 am

He ran his mouth and criticized management by most reports. He wasn't injured, and it would have been criminal to cut him that late when GB could have gotten a day 3 pick for him. Or played him in 2016 and taken the comp pick, probably a 4th rounder.

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dobber's picture

August 28, 2017 at 08:45 am

I agree: Brooks will help this team. He might not be the best PR move, but he'll make this team better right now.

I just don't see the current Levy helping this team. He's barely played since he signed his contract and is a poor fit for OLB (where the Packers need help) in a 3-4. They already have too much at ILB, which they're supplementing with safeties.

Levy of 2013/2014, yes. Levy of 2017? Not for me.

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August 27, 2017 at 08:39 am

TT's gotta sleep in the bed he made. Shouldn't be scratching his head wondering why fans want him gone after this year. A lot of people shore him up, but he's not above criticism.

You gotta invest in your O line my man

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August 27, 2017 at 08:45 am

Maybe he didn't sign Lang or Tretter (which most agree was wise based on health and size of contracts), but before they actually put on the pads, most of us felt that they were at least OK on OL depth (thanks to signing Evans, who looks like he's got something left in the tank). Imagine where we'd be if Evans was in the tank at this point? This was one of the best pass-blocking lines in the league a year ago, and I think will still be in that conversation this season, too.

I have to think management and the coaches were at least OK with what they had in terms of depth leading up to camp, too.

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August 27, 2017 at 02:21 pm

I have to think the Packers knew after losing 3 starting offensive linemen over the last two years, that they had an issue in the interior line to start the season, thus the signing of Evans. However, I agree that many thought Murphy and Spriggs would take a significant step up this year, and if needed, could be counted-on to slide down and play the interior... which still may be the case.

Though shaky, I am OK with Murphy currently at left tackle if need be. You can provide him help and he will battle guys. I am even more OK with moving him and Spriggs down as back-up interior linemen. The largest issue would then be back-up LT (and center for now if Patrick cannot go). A conundrum, we have.

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Snake Plissken's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:21 pm

Ummm, Thompson has invested PLENTY in his OLine.
Lang and Tretter were investments that left and that we will get draft picks for.
Murphy and Spriggs were Invested in last year.
Bulaga & Bahktiari are some of the best tackles in the game
Linsley was "Invested in".

Try to have a clue before you write something massively stupid.
Look around the league and see how many really bad offensive lines there are

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croatpackfan's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:57 am

Chris, you gave us nice overview.

I have just one thing to add. On bubble players - I think LaDarius Gunter played very well and kept his ground w/o mistake...

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sheppercheeser's picture

August 27, 2017 at 09:00 am

I just don't understand how TT can be oblivious not to know that the RT is a potential disaster if he intends on keeping AR upright and not hurt! Are the practice sessions so poorly orchestrated that they don't see this? Geez, it sure seems obvious to most everybody else!

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lou's picture

August 27, 2017 at 11:12 am

As far as RT a disaster, my guess is the real Plan B Thompson had (assuming neither Sprigg's or Murphy takes a 2nd year jump) would be Barclay. People forget in 2012-2013 when Bulaga went down Barclay started 18 straight regular season games and the team did not miss a beat. This was prior to his ACL injury of course but it shows he could do it. He was the first to go down this year and the last backup they needed to go down because of the number of OL positions he can play. At least Thompson brought in Evans and unlike when he brought in Saturday at center it looks like he can still play at a high level. Yes, huge contracts make tough decisions, but giving the big bucks to Bahkt was a great move by Thompson, that is the one guy you have to have to protect Rodgers. Thompson's move to let Sitton (Pro Bowl with Bears) walk and nothing in return was a huge mistake and after doing that he lost a similar player (Lang) on the other side of the OL one year later and had to get a stop gap in Evans. The one who will benefit most is Linsley, for continuity alone they will have to match his price next season and likely will because of his age vs Sitton & Lang. Right now in hindsight they should have signed Tretter although him being injury prone was a huge factor. Those are the pros and cons for the OL, it is not a disaster yet but it is not a comfort zone either.

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August 27, 2017 at 09:02 am

....and yes, I know that the RT position problem surfaced because of Bulaga going down, but GB sure should have a plan 'B'!

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August 27, 2017 at 08:05 pm

Liked Tretters run blocking a lot, but he was not likely to play anything close to 16 plus games. Move on we must. Still wonder if.

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Bearmeat's picture

August 27, 2017 at 09:35 am

1. Perry gets hurt. Shocking, I say.

2. The starting OL should be above average, but the depth looks like horse puckey. That's very concerning.

3. CM3 is bad. Like, he was seriously bad tonight. And he is healthy right? Whatever he had in his mid-20's is looong gone. And with that, it means we have ONE (Perry) pretty ok pass rusher at OLB - when he's healthy (which is rarely). I do not buy Elliot, Fackrell or Biegel (who is a rookie and has missed the entire offseason and training camp with a repeat injury). That's also very concerning.

4. Secondary looks miles improved though. Including Randall and Rollins. Good showing for them last night.

5. TT should seriously consider keeping more WR, OLB and DL than normal. Quality players at DL and WR, and OLB needs to keep developing young guys. Why keep 10 OL if only 7 are worth keeping?

6. I think we're going to have a full-blown RBBC this year. That's not necessarily bad for the Packers, but I'm personally avoiding all Packers RBs like the plague in Fantasy Football. :)

GPG.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

August 27, 2017 at 10:17 am

Thanks for pointing out how Matthews looks. Seriously, can he provide ANY pressure if he's not coming on a stunt?

I thought Fackrell looked surprisingly good last night. Color me shocked.

I think we should keep 7 WR and 6 DL, but I don't see the quality for keeping extra OLB's. I wonder, could Josh Jones play some downs outside? He's the best looking edge blitzer I've seen in many, many years for this team.

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Since'61's picture

August 27, 2017 at 10:21 am

Bearmeat - excellent post. I share many of the same thoughts in your post.
CM3 is becoming a concern. I think that we'll see RBBC as well. It is looking like our biggest issues this season will be backup OL and OLB. Maybe we can get some help at OT when cuts are made. We'll see. Thanks, Since '61

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Finwiz's picture

August 27, 2017 at 10:52 am

I'm a dumb old guy that doesn't understand texting acronyms - what does RBBC mean? I think you mean running back by committee? Why not just type it. Geez. I disagree with point six and point five.

Points 1-4 yup, no argument. CM3 should be a cap casualty at some point to save $$'s.

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L's picture

August 27, 2017 at 12:14 pm

Running Back By Committee.

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dobber's picture

August 28, 2017 at 08:48 am

The screen game will be a must if the OL turns out to be shaky.

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fthisJack's picture

August 27, 2017 at 09:31 am

TT has a plan B. Murphy, Spriggs,Barclay. not his fault that the young guys haven't stepped up yet and Barclay is hurt. i know a lot of you guys want Barclay gone but you have to remember how long it takes guys on the OL to develop. remember Lang when he came into the league, he didn't light anything on fire for several years.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

August 27, 2017 at 10:19 am

I agree, but I really think Barclay is best inside.

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pooch's picture

August 27, 2017 at 04:14 pm

Not his fault?? Who drafted that crap.

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dobber's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:12 pm

Spriggs and Murphy were generally regarded as good, solid, developmental picks. Many analysts called Murphy a "steal".

The question is: who's responsible for coaching up these guys?

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August 28, 2017 at 02:59 am

"The question is: who's responsible for coaching up these guys?"

Did someone hack into your account, Dobber? It just seems unlike you. Campen is coaching these guys. IDK, seems to me that Campen has a pretty good track record. Maybe he has coasted for the last 2 years. Or maybe some guys are just more coachable than others.

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August 28, 2017 at 08:52 am

I did make the comment before about all the Packer OL who have been developed and are playing (or playing elsewhere). My comment here was more to the extent of: TT brings them in and hands them off. It's up to the staff after that to turn them into players.

You're dead right: Campen, after being beat on pretty heavily early on in his time in GB, has done a good job. But you can't coach desire. I suspect Spriggs came to camp content to be a swing tackle.

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August 27, 2017 at 11:28 am

Ok, its pre season. Every year the same ol worry about the teams status. If a starter gets a hangnail, MM yanks him. Perry is fine, the o-line needs depth but so does every team. We'll know by game 3 of the reg season.

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August 27, 2017 at 11:51 am

My main takeaway is that Marwin Evans is playing like a starting-caliber safety. Without a doubt he's been consistently the best player on the field this preseason.

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L's picture

August 28, 2017 at 02:59 pm

Call me optimistic but I think the O-line will be alright as long as it can stay relatively healthy. I think backups Murphy and Spriggs will improve throughout the year and will prove productive if called upon temporarily; however, Center depth is the most worrisome aspect of the O-line.

I'm much more pessimistic regarding the pass rush from our OLB position. I don't have much confidence that we'll get the necessary production from that group. I wonder if the team could look to trade someone like R.Cobb or G.Allison for a proven veteran OLB from a team with plenty of 3-4 OLB depth at that position... obviously unlikely to occur but WR has so much quality depth that I feel the Pack should consider leveraging it in a player swap.

Edit: I hope we sign recently released OLB A.Brooks to bolster the pass rush depth.

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snowdog's picture

August 27, 2017 at 03:03 pm

Plus a future pick . A win win .

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August 27, 2017 at 01:06 pm

I thought McCray looked good when placed at center. He had excellent push. On the DL side, I thought Ringo made a big step forward as well. I have anxiety issues when I watch Spriggs play.

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RobinsonDavis's picture

August 27, 2017 at 02:32 pm

Yeah, McCray did look OK at center from what I could see on TV, but it was against the 3rd string D of Denver, mostly.

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Handsback's picture

August 27, 2017 at 01:25 pm

OK so if Ahmad Brooks is interviewing w/ the Packers, then I would say TT is trying to get that guy with the white hat!

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EdsLaces's picture

August 27, 2017 at 02:04 pm

Id say it means Perry is out for a while ...

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RobinsonDavis's picture

August 27, 2017 at 02:38 pm

And/or Biegel and Elliott. Too many question marks and need depth.

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Bearmeat's picture

August 27, 2017 at 02:27 pm

I'd say that TT FINALLY admitted what everyone else has been screaming for months: That to depend on 2 injury prone starters and 3 young unproven guys at what is possibly the most important position in a 34 defense was stupid, indefensible and bordering on dereliction of duty.

Brooks is no great shakes at 34, but he just might save our asses this year. TT should not have let go of Peppers and should have gotten Barwin when he could have. This won't be as good. But it's better than depending on a 27 year old 2nd year player who's shown nothing, a rookie who can't get on the field, and a 4th year player who has been nothing but a tease for years.

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dobber's picture

August 27, 2017 at 09:00 pm

Elliott's got back problems, and could be headed for surgery.

I think all of us agree that adding only Biegel during the off-season was risky at best.

If Brooks can stay out of trouble, he's a solid add given the timing. We keep going back to Barwin, but there was initial contact there and it ended tout de suite. I suspect there was mutual disinterest, and Barwin didn't get his tires kicked by many suitors at all before going "home" to be with Wade Phillips in LA.

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PatrickGB's picture

August 27, 2017 at 02:20 pm

If Elliott,Perry and Biegel are all injured/recovering, than maybe somebody like Brooks is needed. Now is he worth it, is the question.

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August 27, 2017 at 02:28 pm

They need bodies at this point. They have injury issues with Perry again (shocking, I know). CM3 is next, I'm sure. And trusting those young bucks is not wise....

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August 27, 2017 at 07:11 pm

He had 6 sacks last year. Regardless of the reason, this tells me the Packers are not sitting pat, but are actively investigating shoring up their roster. Also makes me wonder who may be headed to the IR out of the OLB group. Is it a foot needing to heal, a problematic back, or an ankle? Go for it TT!!

Edit: Hit the pause button and read Zach's column at Packer's Wire on Brooks and his legal issues over his career. Something to consider.

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August 27, 2017 at 03:04 pm

So many of the comments have centered on the needs, let me point out a couple of positives thus far:
Player improvement seen in many 2nd and 3rd year players including Lowry, Clark, Brice, Evans, Ryan, Martinez, Allison, Janis, Hawkins, Davis, Hundley, McCaffrey, Gilbert, and Montgomery, Daniels, and Adams have progressed more as well, IMO!.

Randall & Rollins look much better too. I don't believe King is close to being our #2 or #3 corner. He is # 5 in my mind currently, which means Randall, Rollins, and Gunter have outplayed him. BUT, this does not mean he won't see the field. He is just inexperienced, but keeps battling. Rollins allowed a WR to get past him deep (incomplete pass), and Gunter got lost on a play in the middle on another, so nobody is without fault or needing improvement. Can't wait for Andy's assessment though.

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EdsLaces's picture

August 27, 2017 at 03:17 pm

Yeah , but the point is a good pass rush makes a good db even better..duh lol.

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August 27, 2017 at 05:37 pm

I strongly agree that a great deal of Packers success in the secondary will depend on the EARLY pressure they can provide on their respective QB opponents. But, I do believe injuries were part of the issue with the secondary last year and that they have improved coverage thus far, albeit against vanilla offensive schemes. The two work together.

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pooch's picture

August 27, 2017 at 04:09 pm

Weak

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pooch's picture

August 27, 2017 at 04:09 pm

Weak

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 28, 2017 at 07:19 am

I like going with positive takes vs what we need all the time.

I agree with your list of improved players. All of which have really take big steps.

Randall and Rollins being healthy is making a huge difference in how they look. I really like Rollins playing the slot. He is a good blitzer and I like his hitting ability on RB's. Rollins I think is a little weaker in that area.
The one thing to remember with these guys, yes they will give up plays and aren't perfect, but lets remember Deion Sanders also gave up plays. In today's football there aren't very many true shutdown CB's. Even the ones that are considered the best of the best, the Richard Shermans and whoever give up plays.
I think King is going to be really good. Considering he missed a lot of the offseason, I think we have seen the improvements made each week. He may not get as much playing time early (i'm assuming he will start in the Dime), I bet by the end of the year he will be playing a lot.
One thing with Gunter, while he has looked better, its also been against 2nd-4th string players.

I am really looking forward to this year!

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August 27, 2017 at 03:43 pm

I am beginning to wonder if we will see any significant contribution beyond Williams and perhaps Aaron Jones this year from our top 7 draft picks. King was mentioned previously, Josh Jones is a missile, but does not break down to tackle and his lack of control with the Unsportsman penalty, though youthful, is concerning. Adams' and Biegel's surgeries - well documuented, Yancey (just where is he?), Amichia needs work, A. Jones looked great with a suspect line, but may be headed to the practice squad with Dupre. Mays? Improvement in the Packers currently, appears to be coming from our 2nd and 3rd year guys (exception Daniels - What a beast!) and free-agent pick-ups, If we can see improvement in the obstacles in front of our top 4 draftees, we should see more meaningful contributions as the season progresses, so not all doom. Can't wait to see what Biegel and M. Adams can provide when healed.

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Cartwright's picture

August 27, 2017 at 05:59 pm

We have to scoop this Brooks guy up. We are going to have injuries at the position, you can take it to the bank. Depth is essential and all we have are unproven players as backups. This Niners linebacker, on the other hand, has showed up and been a player. He's proven in that respect. He could be the insurance we need in case something happens. And something just did happen. The question is does he still have something left in the tank. After watching this last preseason game where we saw squat, I think Ted pulls the trigger. More than the OL, our biggest problem is at OLB. After Perry and Mathews we get a significant drop off. None of them are starters, not even close. Don't chance it Ted, where this close.

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August 28, 2017 at 03:56 am

I agree. The only caveat is that he isn't exactly "packer people." I wrote this over at packers wire: "Yes, I think so, depending on the price. SF cleared $5.2M in cap space, but Brooks was due just $4.45M in actual cash this season. Brooks played 79% of snaps and had 53 tackles and 6 sacks. He was credited with 16 pressures. Datone by comparison played 53% of available snaps and was credited with 14 pressures, 1 sack, and had 22 tackles. Brooks probably is still better than Datone (who I've been wishing we still had). I've no trouble giving Brooks "Neal Money." I might have more issues if Brooks is looking for a 2nd year that has significant guaranteed money. It would mean waving bye to Gilbert, which is the correct decision imo whether we sign Brooks or not."

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dobber's picture

August 28, 2017 at 08:57 am

I don't think Brooks has ever recorded double-digit sacks in his career, but he's big and can set the edge. He's an upgrade immediately.

Remember also that the defense he played on last year was bordering on historically bad...and he still ran up 53 tackles and 6 sacks.

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Siwi87's picture

August 27, 2017 at 08:09 pm

So far this year it at least appears that TT has changed his approach to fixing problems with free agents???

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Bure9620's picture

August 27, 2017 at 10:08 pm

So I am not as down on Spriggs as packers universe is. His "incompetence" is way overblown. He actually played above my expectation. The first 2 rushes he was left on an island against Von, and did well!!!

Bloggers that don't understand or watch football don't get this. he had 2 beautiful seal blocks also on runs. The only play shown will be the spin move. Yes he got smoked here. VM has made ELITE tackles look like PS players!!! The guy is ridiculous!!!

Tackle is the 2nd most difficult position in the NFL

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Bure9620's picture

August 27, 2017 at 10:08 pm

So I am not as down on Spriggs as packers universe is. His "incompetence" is way overblown. He actually played above my expectation. The first 2 rushes he was left on an island against Von, and did well!!!

Bloggers that don't understand or watch football don't get this. he had 2 beautiful seal blocks also on runs. The only play shown will be the spin move. Yes he got smoked here. VM has made ELITE tackles look like PS players!!! The guy is ridiculous!!!

Tackle is the 2nd most difficult position in the NFL

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PatrickGB's picture

August 28, 2017 at 09:37 am

In a year or two Spriggs and Murphy will be good backups. I expect Balaga and Barclays to return this year. Quick passes and TE help in the meantime.

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August 28, 2017 at 10:19 am

I think Bulaga will be out there against Seattle.

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