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Packers Vs. Bengals: First Impressions

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Packers Vs. Bengals: First Impressions

My immediate thoughts following the Packers - Bengals game.

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Less than three games into this young season, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix hasn't looked good by any stretch of the word.

Allowing a team who hasn't scored a touchdown all season to score a touchdown on their very first drive of the season is just so Packers.

To have so many safeties out on defensive is a little odd. Evans, Jones, Brice, Clinton-Dix and Burnett were all on the field at once at one point.

Outside of Lance Kendricks having his first touchdown reception in a Packers uniform, that was Aaron Rodgers' 301st touchdown pass. He officially moves ahead of John Elway and inside the top-10 all-time.

There's no sign of a Packers pass defense without Mike Daniels and Nick Perry. Andy Dalton can just sit in the pocket and make lunch.

Forget the pass rush, the Packers lack quality run defenders at the moment without just Daniels alone.

I don't remember the last time the Packers ran the flea-flicker. Jesus.

For the first time since 2009, Aaron Rodgers has thrown a pick-six. Just the second of his career, this one to William Jackson.

If the Packers can't win this game with their offense, then...

Josh Jones has been a glimmer of hope in what has been a poor defensive performance from the Packers in the first half. 

The Packers just can't defend the flat. The Bengals hit a running back there for a quick completion and there's not a defender within five yards.

Josh Jones was my favorite pick of the draft, and he's showing why. Two sacks today, three tackles for a loss and two hits on Andy Dalton -- so far. He. Is. Everywhere.

The Packers had 78 yards of total offense in the first half, yet mustered up 118 in the third quarter alone. They held the Bengals to just 29 in the third quarter.

The improvement defensively in the second half by the Packers has just been incredible. Good enough to force overtime. 

Huh. So this is what happens when the Packers defense gets a stop and gets Aaron Rodgers the ball in overtime.

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mrj007's picture

Josh Jones. Finally a player on Defense!

Oppy's picture

You may have missed one Blake Martinez today.
He was on fire as well.

HankScorpio's picture

After Jones, Martinez was the guy that stood out the most on defense to me.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Martinez plays a lot faster than Ryan.

Oppy's picture

Before Ryan got banged up last season, he was playing downhill and lights out.

Branden Burke's picture

I thought King is starting to play better. He looks better right now than Randall looked last year.

Mr. Davis looks scared though. Looks like he hates his job but doesn't want to miss the paycheck lol. Hope he gets a little confidence because his returns are decent.

And they aren't using Montgomery right in the backfield again. Thats my biggest complaint against green Bays offense. They didn't use Lacy right, always running him out of shotgun when anybody could see he ran better out of singleback or with a fullback. And they aren't using Montgomery right either. He has ran pretty well when given any semblance of a functioning run play. Looks better this year vs last.

The TKstinator's picture

Never a doubt.

GBPDAN1's picture

Jones is going to be a stud. By December he'll be a force. Martinez looks good this year and Clay had some decent plays. Nice to see Brooks get a sack. I notice they play him mostly on passing downs. With Perry out, I hope the coaches start trusting Brooks more on early downs. Probably needs to learn the D scheme better as far as dropping into coverage, etc.

We need Bak back by Thursday!

Branden Burke's picture

I'm guessing they are saving Brooks for passing situations.

Jones did look pretty good. He almost has Nick Collins potential. Better ceiling than clinton-dix. I remember the first couple years with Nick were rough. You could see his ability, but he was thinking too much. My biggest issue with Jones from what we have seen is that he takes bad angles and hasn't been breaking down after closing the gap, causing these Superman diving tackle attempts on the punt team. If you noticed, they took him off punts this week. They used Rollins and janis. Don't know if that's because of his bad angles/performance or the expanded work role. They missed his talent tonight as a Gunner, but he has to break down for tackles in the NFL. Hopefully he can come close to Nick Collins, because Nick would have been in the hall.

croatpackfan's picture

I think that it is better to let Josh Jones to be Josh Jones, not Nick Collins. Because no copy is better than original. Leave the past in the past!

Branden Burke's picture

Good point. But if there is one thing Jones should take from Nick's game, it's playmaking. Thats why everybody is excited about him. Green Bays defense needs playmakers. Clay hasn't been as big of one as he has in the past, peppers was a playmaker but he's gone. Mike Daniels and Perry are green Bays playmakers right now. Guys that can turn it on.

If you remember, green Bay had woodson, Collins, Matthews and jenkins in 2010. Tramon turned it on as well. The pack have a good front seven. If they establish one or two more playmakers, they will have a darn good defense again. That's something to be excited about. Also remember it took until week 8 before we knew green Bay had a very good defense that year. I'm hoping the same happens this year as well.

Spock's picture

GBPDAN1, I assume you meant "coach's" not "couches", but actually your comment is true about the home "couch" coachs, LOL. We don't just need Bak back, but I'm really concerned about Bulaga re-injuring his ankle. Yikes! I was very impressed with Martinez's play. Smart player who's always in position.

GBPDAN1's picture

Thanks for pointing out my misspelling, Spock. I guess my texting thumbs were still shaking from that exciting come from behind victory...lol.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

What a great turnaround. I have to admit being on McCarthy for not adjusting to a quicker rythmn with replacement Tackles and Capers for failing to tighten up the defense. They both did in the second half.

The TKstinator's picture

Dom and MM both called great second halves.

Justin Morrow's picture

And horrible first halfs. Very lucky to beat an average to below average team at home & in overtime.

The TKstinator's picture

I'll take a great second half over a great first half every time.

I am also poking fun at the idea that "playcalling" is such a big deal. Sure, you want to put your players in advantageous situations. But, sometimes, guys screw up and plays don't work.

MM never calls "run up the gut for a loss of 2", or, "give up a sack", or, "dropped pass".

DC never calls "leave the middle wide open", or, "get gashed on a run for ten-plus", or, "gently rush so as to allow the QB to sit back and make a sandwich".

Though I could be wrong.

Branden Burke's picture

I know it's early in the season, but my biggest complaint are these scripted plays to start a game. Maybe 10 plays at most, but not 20+ plays.

Ever notice how the offense looks odd and out of sync for long stretches? Then out of nowhere they look like they are running a totally different fast pace shotgun/singleback/pistol offense that they look very comfortable in. That's what green bay needs to run. Maybe a little strong or weak I. But mostly singleback, shotgun, and pistol. That's what works best for their players.

I understand that they can use these scripted play calls to open up the offense and other plays later in the game, but they never seem to get into a Groove running them. That's what makes a good play caller, keeping a defense on its heels. And when you hit them with a couple solid plays or a big play, keep rolling with the next play to keep them guessing. Scripted plays or drives take that away. Thats how the Bengals had green bay on its heels the first half. They had balance and were using all facets of the game. It was natural. A chess match of physical ability and psychology. I'm a bigger fan of calling a game as it unfolds than running a scripted offense with situational plays sprinkled in. Exploit weaknesses prepping for the next set of plays after the drive.

Jonathan Spader's picture

I've got to disagree Brandon. Historically Green Bay has moved the ball well on it's opening drive. If the script is working stick with it but a script is just a guide. Aaron opts out and adjusts the plays called all the time. Play calling are suggestions to Aaron on what McArthy sees Aaron adjusts those based of what he sees.

Branden Burke's picture

You are correct, but also historically they haven't done it very well to start a season. Their offense almost always starts slow at the beginning of the year. I think it's because they lack data on the opponents tendencies and gameflow for the season. New england has those same struggles to start the year sometimes as well.

But we see it every year. Teams that go from first to worst or vice versa. Teams that take off with a head of steam and then fizzle, or teams that start slow before taking off in the playoffs. We call it "jelling." I think some of it is data. Establishing tendencies through the season. Game planning to exploit those tendencies to start a game. Teams always have to morph, and maybe green bay uses it to keep teams honest. As the season progresses, new England, Seattle, and green Bay get stronger. They jell and have better data. It's what makes new England so difficult. If they think they can run on you, they will pound the ball all day long. If they think they can pass, it's 50+ passes in the game. We have all seen Rodgers get upset about play calling from time to time. Some sites said he did so last night when he was seen talking angrily toward the sideline. And we have heard it plenty of times on here. About how the team starts slow then sprints toward the finish both in games and in the regular season.

The previous two years (and a little this year) there were murmurs (sometimes shouts) that rodgers isn't playing like himself to start the season. McCarthy talks about the rhythm of playcalling as well. But by seasons end they have it dialed in offensively. Jelling and data. I know scripts are flexible, but your not going to scrap a week's worth of game plan and install usually unless stuff hits the ceiling really quickly. It will get dialed in. But it's slow watching it sometimes. And when the script isn't firing on all cylinders, they still tend to stick to it in reasonable games because they use plays that work off of that in the second half. Much more freelance though and a better product.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Brandon I appreciate the response and now have a better understanding of your frustration. I think part of the problem you allude to but don't come out and say is the run vs pass ratio MM wants to have. If we are having success throwing the ball we'll run it just to run it and stall out of an otherwise promising drive.

I don't know if that beliefs directly to a script or a general idea or belief but it's fruatrating to see as a fan. I'm wondering if we'll start to dominate offensively once we're at full strength and if we do if they take their foot off the gas the way they have in the past or if they have learned. Aaron seems to get fruatrated a lot because he's super competitive. It's what has made him one of the best.

Handsback's picture

I saw no way where the Pack could have stopped the Bengals in regulation and I was right. Dalton did it by himself. The Packer's defense is very disjointed Every game is just going to be a a struggle until that injury list is down to a couple of guys.
One last thing, during the draft Green Bay had the first pick on the last day. I just knew it would be Lawson....it wasn't. I guess time will tell if that plays out to the Packer's advantage. Certainly not today!

Branden Burke's picture

The Bengals offense put up 17 points. Not exactly a barn burner.

The offense was dink and dunk. Dalton completed 21 of 27, but for only 191 yards. It was the game plan for a team trying to find itself. No real passes down field. And the Bengals running game got 110 yards, but at a measly pace of 3.7 yards per carry.

If not for Rodgers pick six at the Bengals 25 (essentially a 10 point or greater swing) it wouldn't have gone to OT. That would have put the score at 27-17 green bay.

Point is, the defense didn't do bad at all. Bengals ran a game plan to try and get confidence back to their offense. I would prefer to see green Bay run a heavy man press coverage pass D with safety help like Seattle and an occasional robber backer to jump the slants. But they did ok. I hate giving big cushion, daring the Bengals to dink and dunk. I would have been aggressive with their struggling offense and make them find their groove on deep, low efficiency passes. They did that more in the second half when their secondary started to settle down. And that's when Dalton started getting hit because the ball wasn't coming out as fast. The Packers defense the first half was more of a representation of green Bay protecting their young secondary than the Bengals offensive ability in my opinion. Once they settled down, green Bay tightened the coverage a little.

But Lawson did look pretty good.

Nick Perry's picture

I kept thinking the same thing the whole damn game. Lawson destroyed Murphy and if he wasn't sacking Rodgers he was shoving Murphy into Rodgers in less than 2 seconds. I wonder if Biegel will play this season...Ted??

HankScorpio's picture

Declaring yourself correct and being correct are two different things. The Packer defense allowed 3 points in the second half and OT. If you are going to say they deserve no credit for that because Andy Dalton is not a great QB, that is your right. But 3 points in the 2nd half and 17 overall is a pretty darn good effort in the NFL. People that are not grinding an axe see that.

Tarynfor12's picture

Thanks Cincy for doing what I bet you to do with +9.5.
Happy Packers got the win but like I say...this team is going to struggle for playoffs...the mark of success.
Thursday will be tough.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

Tarynfor12, WAY TO GO. Post Below.
LVT

Branden Burke's picture

Getting to the playoffs won't be a struggle. The playoffs will be. Teams like Atlanta, Dallas, and Seattle have the makeup to always be hard on green Bay. But it's any given Sunday.

Dzehren's picture

Who's the king of the hard count? A-Rod's the KING of HARD-COUNT!!!

CAG123's picture

I know one thing I'm tired of the Packers putting me in these stressful situations!
On another note both rookies DBs deserve to be on the field more after this game remember AJ Green gained most of those yards with Randall on him King did a pretty good job on him all things considered.

HankScorpio's picture

I'm coming to enjoy these kinds of games....as long as it turns out the right way, like it did today.

CAG123's picture

Yeah it's good every now and then but they're making a habit of these "slow start first halfs, come out firing second halfs" they're going to give me a heart attack one of these days!

HankScorpio's picture

I hear what you're saying. I alternate between cheering wildly and cursing loudly for these games. I'm calling for benchings and firings and all other manner of reaction. It's definitely tense.

But nothing beats that moment when the last second ticks off.

Of course, the hurt is worse when they come out of the short end, too. That Seattle NFCCG loss bothered me one heck of a lot longer than the loss last year to Atlanta did.

RobinsonDavis's picture

I am pretty sure King had Green for most of the game CAG. But, the key was not allowing Green to dominate the 2nd half. Regardless, the core of your point is right on, IMO.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Agreed. Randall had a pretty good game, I thought. I think King was targeted 6 times, allowed 3 for 30 yards, had a PI (tacky one though). Big thing is that AJ Green, though he had a nice 100 yard game, but didn't bury us.

Spock's picture

CAG123, I'd agree with you, but today was different for me. My bad back went ballistic and I had to "crash" after the first half. Came back (after a drug-induced nap) to watch the 2nd half (taped) and It was probably more healing for me than the bed rest! What a complete turnaround; reminded me of when Holmgren would adjust at half times. I was proud of our "wounded" team getting it done. Very satisfying at a time when I needed something to make me feel good. I just hope Thursday will be as satisfying. The good news is that the Bears had to go to OT also to beat the Steelers. Did anyone notice that "the worst team in the world" (per Cincy players) almost beat New England?

Ibleedgreenmore's picture

Been a fan for over 60 yrs and have to say they pulled this one out, amazing how the got it together at the end. Rodgers does it again, its obvious we missed the starters.

cheesycowboy's picture

I'm thankful we didn't see him as a long snapper.
Kudos to Goode ore might have had a different outcome.

Handsback's picture

Never thought I would want to see Richard Rodgers playing at TE.

Packer_Pete's picture

Agree with you 100%. Why exactly did they get Bennett?

CAG123's picture

Come on now Bennett is having a rough patch but don't let that distract you from the fact that Rodgers is one of the slowest, least athletic, non-blocking TE in the league and that's not up for question. Yeah he's sure handed but what else does he bring to the offense? He had a decent season in 2015 but I'm sure I counted at least 20 falling 2-4 yard catches that year.

Tundraboy's picture

"I counted at least 20 falling 2-4 yard catches that year."

LMAO. RRodgers catches passes like it's a sideline catch, and he is falling out of bounds. Problem is he can do it anywhere on the field and immediately falls to the ground for minimal or no gain.

HankScorpio's picture

It counts as a win, same as if they had destroyed the Bengals. With 6 of their 12 most important players (arguably) missing some or all of the game, I'll be happy to take it any way it happens and move on.

The defense really got themselves untracked after a start that had me cringing. They gave up 10 after the opening drive on a 2Q TD and 4Q FG. Josh Jones was all over the place, including the 3rd down stop in OT.

Rodgers had a very uneven performance but he was money when it counted.

NitschkeFan's picture

I agree and I consider Perry and Daniels the two best players on the Defense. Defense only gave up 17 points, it was Rodgers pulling a Farve that cost the other 7.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

Hey Tarynfor12, Thanks for that one!! You had Cinn a long time before I did. I take my Hat off to you. I had
TENN - 2 1/2 against the World, (Seattle). Tonight I need OAK for 2 Bills & Oak/Over for a Nickel. Wish I would have listened to you sooner. I couldn't see it until the Line Dropped. CONGRATS!!
LVT

Since '61's picture

LVT - I'm happy the game worked out for you and Taryn. As long as the Packers win I don't care about the spread but it's still fascinating how it seems to work out for Vegas. Thanks, Since '61

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

Since '61, Thanks!! Once Again Las Vegas took all the $$$$, It Amazes me week after week. Just look at all the games today. I had Tenn over Seattle. You should find a guy with parlay sheets. I'm sure you could if you tried. Try betting $5 on 3 teams. You'll get a whole new perspective on the NFL.
I'm glad GB won as well.
LVT

Since '61's picture

Our defense did a great job in the second half considering all of the players missing due to injuries. I am beginning to have some hope for this defense if they can get healthy.

King got schooled a bit today by AJ Green but he hung in there and he tackled well eve n when Green made a catch. Josh Jones is a god send. I thought he was excellent in his first game. Our DL struggles without Daniels but overall the defense got the job done today.

Aaron Rodgers was brilliant considering he played the second half without both tackles again in the second half. Monty ran hard and Geronimo Allison earned his place on this team.

I hate Thursday football and our team is too injured to be ready. 3 days is not enough time for a healthy team to prepare, never mind a team with as many injuries as the Packers. Good win today. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

caruso81's picture

Silver lining. Some guys who didn't play today may just be ready for Thursday.

Oppy's picture

Yeah, I'm wondering if the coaching staff underestimated Cinci and were trying to sneak a bunch of our guys extra time to rest up before the division game on thursday night.

If so.. it was almost costly.. but it worked out.

Hope we are re-stocked for Thursday night.

HankScorpio's picture

I think caution with bringing the walking wounded back is definitely the order of the day for today. A hard game in hot conditions and short recovery means it's probably best to just make do without them this week to avoid re-aggravating and turning it into a lingering issue. Especially with this one being a non-conference game and the next one being a division game.

I just hope at least one or two of them is up to playing Thursday.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I'd love to know who gave the dislike for this comment, Hank. A very astute comment.

Tundraboy's picture

Some moron.

marpag1's picture

Oh, come on... stop with the weak "Who downvoted this?!?!" schtick. For the record, I did not downvote Hank's post - Hank's a fine contributor here - but there are plenty of NFL coaches who will say, 'look, if you are healthy enough to play, then you play.' There are plenty of coaches who will say that you never jeopardize a winnable game now for the sake of a future game that you might easily lose.

If someone says, 'Take your wins wherever and whenever you can get them because you don't know what the future holds' .... are you really saying that guy must be a "moron?"

rdent's picture

That happens often there is someone who got his Cheerios pissed on that goes through here and dislikes good posts

Since '61's picture

rdent - you are correct someone has been downvoting for years. I would prefer that they reply with their reason(s) for the down vote and then we can discuss it. Best we can do is let it be. Thanks, Since '61

Branden Burke's picture

Oh ya. I get plenty of down votes lol. Doesn't bother me. I've put a lot of my opinions on here to end up getting a lot of down votes. I take solace in the future when many of my down voted opinions end up being right lol.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Down votes are regularly givem to the cynics. If you want to up your ratio just say something funny or positive. I give a down vote when I completely disagree but I offer an explanation of why in response. Sometimes when people respond I get a better understanding of what they were trying to say and often we agree sometimes we agree to disagree. The internet is the ultimate form of anonymous expression. Except for people like me foolish enough to use our real names lol. I view the thumbs up and down as an indicator of how many people have bothered to read what I say. I'm here for intelligent discussions and the back and forth between fans on Cheesehead has been great. There's quite a few intelligent fans and writers who lay out their thoughts via eye test, data, or both. Keep it going.

Oppy's picture

I generally down-vote when someone is so completely wrong it's not worth discussing, which is relatively rare.. or when someone is such a douchey ass hat that I am in complete shock, which happens more than it should

Oppy's picture

I thought Ty Montgomery looked less than 100% in the second half.. I am wondering if he misses practice on Tuesday (injury?). Did not seem to have the same explosion or leg drive he normally displays on contact. Looked hesitant and seemed to drop on contact.

Without Daniels, it looks like cutting Price and Ringo was a bad move.. but the season is young and the roster is only so deep. Hope Montreyvious Adams turns out to be a step-in and perform guy when he's ready to go.

stockholder's picture

Monty has tired legs, Too much on a hot day. Lowry played better last year. Needs to pick it up.

Packer_Pete's picture

Ty got banged up in half 1 ad it showed in half 2. But why does't Aaron Jones get in more? He's a way superior runner to anybody not named Ty...

Oppy's picture

I have to assume Jones isn't getting touches because he's not picking up the protection assignments or something.

That's the only thing I can think of.

Since '61's picture

Oppy - I agree, but could also be ball security issues that happen during practice. Thanks, Since '61

Oppy's picture

Yup, I agree.

It's easy to forget we don't see what goes on during the 6 days (er.. or four?) inbetween games.

Fans don't like it, but we often just have to trust the organization knows what it's doing, for better or for worse.

HankScorpio's picture

The defense did a great job in the second half. Full stop, No need to grade on the curve of missing House, Perry & Daniels. They gave up 3 points after halftime.

sonomaca's picture

All three national anthem protesters were newcomers. If King isn’t a fan of the country, I’m not a fan of his, which is my right.

Since '61's picture

Absolutely is your right. Thanks, Since '61

Oppy's picture

I missed the part where he was holding up a sign that said, "I don't like America", but then, I have cataracts so it's entirely possible.

BTW, you might have missed guys like Rodgers standing lockstep arm in arm in a showing of solidarity for the protesters. Guess he hates America too.

as they say, "Just sayin'"..

The TKstinator's picture

Careful with that "just sayin'".
I've been known to viciously cyber bully its employers.
~~~

sonomaca's picture

Locking arms while standing sends one message. Locking arms while sitting, like the Raiders just did, or not showing up at all, is entirely different. Villanueva is the man.

Oppy's picture

Technically, aren't they all supposed to be covering their hearts?

Whatever floats your boat, as you stated, you can pick and choose who you disapprove of however you like, even if it's not entirely rational. It is a free country after all.

Oppy's picture

I'm a big boy, TK, I can handle it :P

The TKstinator's picture

LOL

HankScorpio's picture

Hopefully King and the other newcomers will win you over in the coming months and years.

I would guess that they didn't view their actions as saying they hated America.

Maybe if they listen to people with your point of view who do see it as disrespecting our county and you listen to what they want to say instead of hearing what you think they said, we might make some progress on that which divides us.

One can dream....

flackcatcher's picture

It would nice, instead of posing, the NFL actually listened to their fans concern. But that would be too much for them...

Tundraboy's picture

Beautifully stated Hank, and the true point of all this.

fthisJack's picture

maybe you would have a different perspective if you were black

NitschkeFan's picture

He wasn't protesting until that idiot in the White House called NFL players Sons of Bitches.

LayingTheLawe's picture

That such an uptick in protest followed the latest "poop tweet" idiocy is not coincidental.

sonomaca's picture

I agree. However, Kaepernick started this.

Sports is supposed to be a refuge from politics, but the SJW’s have decided they want to ruin it, just like pretty much everything else.

Finwiz's picture

He's not an idiot, and I'm offended by that comment.
Won't take much for me to get rolling about the performance of the prior occupant. What does it make you when you refuse to honor the country, and those who've fought for it's existence, by disrespecting the flag and what it symbolizes?

Oppy's picture

YOu're offended?

Snowflake.

lol.

croatpackfan's picture

With this post I do not want to disrespect any of US citizens, but,my opinion from outside is that the only man who disrespect 1. US and the constitution of US; 2. US Army, 3. US women, 4. US minorities and 5. US racial diversity is your actual President Trump.
I will say again that that is my opinion from outside and it is based on available information I got from different sources. Saying that I admit that I might be wrong by misleading info I got...

fastmoving's picture

thats ok sonomaca, we are not a fan of you either.
and Im sure King is a bigger fan of that country than you will ever be.....but you are right, that doesnt take much

fastmoving's picture

thats ok sonomaca, we are not a fan of you either.
and Im sure King is a bigger fan of that country than you will ever be.....but you are right, that doesnt take much

MITM's picture

Josh Jones. Blake Martinez. Ahmad Brooks also made some plays out there. Clay Matthews seemed to be decently disruptive once again. I agree though, where is Ha Ha?

Oppy's picture

No one mentioning the phenomenal series the defense turned in when it mattered most in OT?

If they played like that during the first half, this game would have been a snoozer.

Impressive set of downs for the defense when it was all on the line. Someone needs to find out who gave the speech, they deserve a bonus

RobinsonDavis's picture

Great Point, I think Hank hit the mark when he stated the D made some big stops in the 2nd half too. But the offense controlled the ball helping the D in the 2nd half.

croatpackfan's picture

It is always like that. Great O will help D to rise to the occasion, as well as great D will help O in the same manner...

Hematite's picture

Why do we always play DOWN to our competitors?

Since '61's picture

Vegas?

cpabandit's picture

Why does Capers' D always make the opposing QB look like a future HOFer?

The TKstinator's picture

Which half?

Johnblood27's picture

because our head coach allows the team to do so.

Period.

MM is an atrocious motivator. He has stated that motivation is not his job, that it belongs to the players 100%.

He is wrong.

Finwiz's picture

I am VERY serious about this question....
Did Mike McCarthy actually say this?
If he did, mashed potato Mike is totally clueless about what it takes to be a great NFL coach. We are talking about the different between GOOD and GREAT.
I would be totally shocked if he actually said this, as I suspect his words were misinterpreted or taken out of context?
If he did say it, he IS totally wrong.

Since '61's picture

Fin - As you know I follow pretty closely and I have never seen or heard MM say that motivation is not his job. Now I also can't say that I have heard or read 100% everything that MM has spoken as HC of the Packers. However, MM saying motivation is not his job doesn't sound like him. But who knows anything is possible. Thanks, Since '61

Oppy's picture

I concur, with the caveat that I have seen reporters ask MM how he's going to motivate his players going into specific big games, and MM has responded, incredulously, along these lines: 'How am I going motivate my team? I don't have to motivate my team. If you aren't fired up about a game like (the upcoming game), you're in the wrong business. These players are professional football players, they live for games like this. They don't need me to motivate them.'

I definitely don't think that should be misinterpreted as anything besides MM saying his team is ready to play because they are pro NFL players and they all want to win.

Turophile's picture

Zachary "Forget the pass rush, the Packers lack quality run defenders at the moment without just Daniels alone".

I think there should be a shout out to Kenny Clark for taking on the double teams and hanging in there, snap after snap. He needs to be subbed more to keep him healthy and energised. Well played Kenny.

chugwater's picture

Good job by the defense. Shaky start, but held Cincy to 3 points from the middle of the first half into overtime. It looked pretty bleak after the pick six, but they held until the offense could get things together.

MarkAlan's picture

Dear Ted, please trade for a offensive tackle at any cost before you get Aaron killed, boy do I miss Jared Cook

HankScorpio's picture

I'm sure TT would be very willing to do that. The problem is finding a trading partner. What makes you think teams have quality OTs on the trade market on Sept 24th?

RobinsonDavis's picture

There has been a couple of veterans released that are out there. If they are better than what we have, I do not know. My guess is that the Packers don't feel this is a long-term issue. But, why not take a look?

croatpackfan's picture

Those vets are released with the rerason. Not because they are good (or, great). They are released because they sucks. I think there is few teams that have better O-line than Packers healthy O-line. So, if all those teams have problem with protecting their QB, whom you would trade for? And why do you think that Falcons, Cowboys, Chiefs or some other team is willing to ruin their good O-line for Packers sake?
Come to the ground. There is no cap space for your idea, and, I believe Packers will nevcer give 1st and 2nd round draft choice for vet.
Also, you are forgetting that Packers have 2 pro-bowl caliber T on the team, which costs a lot already...

Mojo's picture

Oakland's getting whacked tonight, but Jared Cook looks so much faster and athletic than Bennett.

Bennett looks slower than RR without the hands.

Johnblood27's picture

Exactamundo!!!

Bennett has been a complete and total ZERO for this team.

Watch him on plays where he doesnt get the ball, he is missing blocks, lounging around and generally looking completely disinterested.

Yeah, yeah, yeah... he had one lucky chip block where Brooks knocked another ATL player over. I saw that too. How many snaps has he had? Yeah, more than one.

The bench is too good for him.

croatpackfan's picture

It is interesting observation on Bennett and Brooks.

I'm confused, I did not knot that Bennett play with Brooks at the same time. Maybe you can help me solve my confusion. Are they play together on offense or on defense?

caruso81's picture

"The Packers just can't defend the flat. The Bengals hit a running back there for a quick completion and there's not a defender within five yards."

That's a scheme issue.

Branden Burke's picture

You are right. It was by design. A design I didn't like, but still.

The Bengals have not hit on all cylinders offensively. So ride that hand. Force them into low percentage deep passes that prevent them from getting their Grove back. Green Bay used the old school Tampa 2 mentality. Make them March down the field with short plays. Eventually they will make enough errors or your D will make a play and kill their drive. It also eats up game clock.

It's kinda like the Mayweather approach. And I want to see Mike Tyson. Tight man coverage, take away the short stuff, make them beat you deep. That's how you beat green Bay. That's how you beat new England. It disrupts rhythm. Get in their face and be physical. Make them make plays.

Since '61's picture

Considering that the Packers had numerous players injured and held the Bengals offense to 3 points over the last 40 minutes I thought the defense played really well. Maybe I was watching a different game. If I knew that the Packers were going to win their next 16 games (including the playoffs) exactly how they won yesterday's game I would sign up for that right now.
Form doesn't matter only W or L. Thanks, Since '61

mrtundra's picture

We cannot get complacent with Chicago. They are playing good football and will give us all we can handle, especially with our injuries.

Packer_Pete's picture

They have injuries too, and had 13 guys on the injury report this week. If Howard is injured (got banged up again in the Steelers game) or limited then they do have an issue at RB. Plus, they have Glennon at QB. Glennon! And, can you even name one of their WRs? Sorry but that team is just not that good.

flackcatcher's picture

Bears is an NFL division rival, they always get ready for the Packers. They have a very good defense which gave two great and good teams fits. John Fox is held in high regard inside the NFL. The packers were in a knife fight with the Bengals from beginning to end. Expect the same with the Bears.

dobber's picture

I watched that game beginning to end. Pittsburgh handed them 17 points. How many did the Bears score in total? Hmmmm.

Now, I realize that being handed opportunities and turning them into points are two entirely different things. I'll give the Bears credit for that much. But Pittsburgh played a lousy game for most of that one. They should've gotten beat.

There was one point in the 4th quarter where the Bears had ONE completion to a WR all game. ONE.

fthisJack's picture

how do you figure they'll roll over the Bears when they almost lost to Cincy? that defies logic.

Curt's picture

I still don't understand why Chicago was allowed to kick the FG in the first half. I understand the ball at the one (can't end on a defensive penalty and since Chi was the last one to control the ball, batting was a defensive penalty). However, once there was an illegal procedure penalty on the offense with no time on the clock should it not have been over?

dobber's picture

"how do you figure they'll roll over the Bears when they almost lost to Cincy? that defies logic."

1. No transitivity in sports
2. Who said I thought they'd roll over the Bears? All I said was that the Bears were not all that great today. Aside from #84, Pittsburgh was not good.

flackcatcher's picture

Neither team was really good. Both offenses were at least a step slow. So were the Packers. The Bengals were coming off a mini bye. Pretty much every team in the league had lead legs. I mean, this is the second week in a row the players have gone at game speed. At least the Packers escaped serious injury this week. Or I should say till the Packers make their announcements on Monday.

The TKstinator's picture

I was acting like a jerk at work so they sent me to transitivity training.

Since '61's picture

TK you're the best. Thanks, Since '61

Nick Perry's picture

Pittsburgh struggles anytime their away from Heinz Field. Matter of fact they pretty much stink just about every game away from home.

The Bears are playing everyone tough at home this season, well at least through 3 weeks.. : )

Week one they should have beat Atlanta. The Falcons got SO DAMN LUCKY the Bears receivers blew it in the Red Zone. They got SO DAMN LUCKY again yesterday against the Lions.

The Falcons aren't NEARLY the same team on the road. SOME HOW the Packers need to make up 2 games on them by the end of the season. Oh, and the Packers need to get a LOT better too.

Qoojo's picture

My first impressions are

1) Rodgers is amazing. 6 sacks, running for his life, and he still can play. He just needs to come out sharper, because he has started all 3 games a bit sloppy for *him*. Maybe warm up more?

2) Yet another pedestrian QB looks like a hall of famer against GB's defense. But unlike previous years, it was only for one half.

3) Nice to see Rodgers get his first OT win.

4) Pretty soon Bennett will get the nickname "Drive Killer"

5) Have to like the decision to move the extra point back. Adds some tension that never existed before.

6) Adams needs to quite whining for calls.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I agree, other than I thought Dalton looked pretty pedestrian in the first half. Tossing passes to wide open guys in the flat is something a lot of QBs can do. He overthrew a wide open Green when the Bengals had a chance to put a nail in the coffin in the first half, already up 21-7.

Qoojo's picture

Don't forget about the run too.

NitschkeFan's picture

I think Rodgers has thrown an unusually large number (for him) of picks so far (some didn't count) this season. So yes he made some great throws but overall I don't think he has been great this season.

Having written that, it is important to acknowledge the very poor play of the OL in protecting him and it look's like is going to be a long season with plenty of injuries and playing time for the back-ups.

Qoojo's picture

I agree. Sometimes it is hard to quantify the affect of poor line play. He has gotten away with a few bad passes this year. The lookout blocks have to be taking some toll though.

croatpackfan's picture

I agree. All 3 games it looks like Aaron had some "vision" how team should play and that produce a lot of problems. In all 3 games he was trying to go deep in the 1st half. Second half is other story. He starts with short, quick passes and O comes quickly to rhythm. Then field opens.

Why they are starting like that is mistery...

Archie's picture

Josh Jones makes great debut. Ha Ha continues to suck.

Mojo's picture

Jones was a clear difference maker today. He may make a few mistakes from time-to-time but I'll take a plus athlete who seems to have a little fire in his belly.

As far as Ha Ha, I've been holding back comment on him since last year. He made the Pro-bowl and had 5 INT's, but I didn't see that many impact plays from him even last year. A couple of the INT's were on overthrows. This year he almost seems invisible. Bad angles, few contested passes. He isn't all bad, just not a difference maker, at least to this point in his career.

Branden Burke's picture

Nope. Solid player but not a stud. Clinton dix is still better than AJ, although hawk did have a few solid years toward the middle of his career. But gotta love clinton-dix's character. Going out and holding the flag for the anthem amongst all this hoopla. Writing the names of police officers that were killed on duty on his cleats. He can play in green Bay for a long time as far as I'm concerned.

Nick Collins was a stud. Josh Jones can be a stud. Clinton-dix's heart makes him a stud in my book.

Finwiz's picture

I can tell you this, the Bears will present a major challenge for the Pack with all the injuries they have right now.
I expect a very close game, and feel fortunate to win - given the injuries. You just can't dominate with no real play makers on defense, and Capers inept schematic plan.

Zapato's picture

My first impression was that, once again, the Packers coaching staff failed to properly prepare the defense for the offense they were about to face. Glad they turned it around in the second half. Really need Mike Daniels back!

HankScorpio's picture

How are they supposed to know the offense they were going to face? There was no game film with this Bengal OC running the show since this was the first time he did.

Since '61's picture

Hank - I thought they didn't know what to expect because their Crystal Ball was broken. If the Crystal Ball wasn't injured I'm sure they would have seen what Cincy's new OC was planning. LOL Thanks, Since '61

Branden Burke's picture

Lol. I love media hype. The Bengals hadn't scored a touchdown so obviously they are bad.

News flash, we do this every year with "fill in the blank" good team that struggles to start the year. The Bengals and Seahawks are this year's "fill in the blank" good team. And usually these fill-in the blank good teams figure it out and play like good teams again. Bengals were figuring it out. They will still probably make the playoffs or be darn close. Nobody in that division looks special right now.

Green Bay is known to start slow as well. I didn't care if green Bay won or lost last week. I expected this to be a tough one that could have gone either way as well. This team will start taking off at week 8. They just have to stay at or above 500 until then and they are in good shape. As long as injuries don't get out of hand, back to the playoffs (9th year in a row) with a hot team again. No worries. Get healthy.

flackcatcher's picture

Packers beat a good team today. Both MM and Capers showed again why they are held in high regard by their peers. The secondary play was outstanding in the second half, they shut down an excellent Bengal WR group. What a guts effort by the packers.

Lphill's picture

Kendricks looks better than Bennet .

Finwiz's picture

I say they should cut the guy before the cancer spreads.
I don't think he sets a good example for younger players in the locker room. I'd say this is looking like a very bad signing, and why you should be very careful when signing FA's.
I was frankly very surprised TT signed Bennett knowing his attitude history, and intermittent lack of motivation. I already don't like the guy, any more than I did when he was with the Bears.
Maybe he'll be better as the season wears on.
One can only hope, because I doubt they will cut him.

Oppy's picture

Just throwing this out there, remember when last year Jared Cook was a bum, and then he was injured, and then he was a bum.. Until he wasn't? And then everyone was all over his nuts.

Sometimes players go through rough patches.

Bennett has under performed so far, and has dropped some key passes for sure (I called him out last week) but everyone is jumping ship way too early on this guy.

He has a credentialed history. He's a good TE. unless he's just hit the wall, he'll settle in.

RobinsonDavis's picture

This is very appropriate. But, the distractions are not helping. I am no Bennett expert, but feel it would be best for him and the Packers to return to having FUN playing football.

Since '61's picture

That's part of the issue with Bennett. The other part may be that he has his ring and his payday. Thanks, Since '61

Mojo's picture

I don't think anyone thought Cook was bum, just pissed that he was injured.

Bennett is different. He's slow and except for occasionally leaking out over the middle of the field hasn't offered anything resembling a threat in the passing game. And then there's those drops...

Branden Burke's picture

To be frank, Bennett is an ok TE. Not as good as his name. But he is a good blocker and an alright receiver. He played his way out of Dallas, got a little attention in new York. He made his name in Chicago, the city of checkdowns. And when the ball wasn't being forced into Marshall, Bennett and forte were the recipients. He was alright for the patriots, an offense that loves big receiving TE's.

But Bennett isn't as athletic as he was coming out of college. He has had good quarterbacks (yes Cutler and Eli are good) for his entire career. I prefer a receiving TE in this offense. Somebody big, fast, and can catch between the seems please. Finley was a much much better receiver than Bennet. Cook was too. Just go watch their "highlights." Finley was a playmaker, cook was fast and could catch. Bennett is like a faster bubba Frank's except teams use TE's different now. He will probably come up big at some point, but he hasn't done anything so far. Very disappointed in his lack of production.

croatpackfan's picture

Somebody who can produce 30-40 yards PI call down the field and catch TD in the end zone?

CAG123's picture

Is it possible that the Packers just don't have a good run blocking o-line? After seeing the 49ers (of all teams) and the Titans gash the Seahawks for 159 and 196 yards respectively while the Packers have struggled to get it going in 3 weeks.

dobber's picture

More than possible. It's pretty likely.

croatpackfan's picture

I vote more for lack of practice in actual games... And that is what is preseason for... Packers are still in preseason mode...

rdent's picture

First Thoughts;
Ahmad Brooks needs to get more PT over Fackrell, seemed to make a play the times I seen him in there.
Kyle Murphy is AWFUL!
Jahari Evans looked nearly as bad.
Brian Bulaga is very close to being labeled a injury bust!
Clinton Dix needs to step it up.
Josh Jones looked impressive.
Geronimooo!
Need ILB to pair with Martinez.
Bennett looked lackluster.
Montgomery is better out of the backfield than in it.
The Defense really misses Daniels.

Johnblood27's picture

Monty looking good out of the backfield may be a consequence of Cobb being out.

That said, if we would actually LOOK at the other 75 RB we have on the roster, maybe one would jump off the tape and allow us to move Monty in the slot a lot more.

Not using our roster is a BIG mistake, especially early in the season.

Also, Davis looks small, fragile and timid. Please, can we PLEASE just give Janis a real freakin chance? ARod is killing that kids career.

LayingTheLawe's picture

Davis had 5 returns for 70 yards. And Arod is killing Janis's chances to return punts? I guess I missed that connection. Janis is the 5th best receiver on the team. Maybe. He makes the squad for his special teams play. No one is killing his career.

Mojo's picture

Was watching the game in the midst of a crowd so I couldn't hear that well, but what I did hear sounded like a lot of booing in the first half.

After all the success and excitement this team has brought us over the last two decades the fans turn on them that quickly. All I can say is - really ....?

Branden Burke's picture

Slow starts to the season are common for Green Bay, New England, and Seattle. I don't know why everyone freaks out every year when one of them starts slow. I want a team peaking in January and early February. I couldn't care less about September as long as you don't start out 0-4.

croatpackfan's picture

Well I can forgive team to go 0-4 in September if there is 12-0 in October, November and December. And 3-0 in January and February!

Branden Burke's picture

So many dislikes on here. A lot of angry people against reasonable information. Who dislikes making the playoffs? Lol

Branden Burke's picture

I was glad green Bay picked up Bennett, but I didn't think he was anything special. Now I'm wishing they kept cook.

Bennett has played his entire career with great quarterbacks, but wasn't nearly the receiver Finley was, even though he was supposedly the more athletic of the two coming into the league.

At least cook has had an excuse of playing for bad quarterbacks his entire career. Bennett, now on his fifth team, is just a solid TE. Good at the run and pass, which is nice. But the Packers bread and butter is the pass. I would rather have a great receiver and ok run blocker. Bennett needs to step up because he has not been an asset so far. Biggest off-season disappointment to this point.

Oppy's picture

The thing with cook is, how many millions were you prepared to watch GB over pay him?

Everyone seems to forget he went from "I want to play the rest of my career here, I just want to compete and win" to "Nope, I'm holding out for way more money because I think I have a ton of leverage" in the blink of the eye. And when the Packers tried to talk to him.. His agent said "Nope. we're done negotiating."

I would have liked to see cook stay, but I can't say I wish the Packers would have resigned him. Sometimes you have to draw a line in the sand, and I think the Packers did what had to be done.

croatpackfan's picture

"To have so many safeties out on defensive is a little odd. Evans, Jones, Brice, Clinton-Dix and Burnett were all on the field at once at one point."

I did not know that inactive players are allowed to enter the game and actually play in the game...

sheppercheeser's picture

I'm certainly not a Bengals fan, but why on earth did Cincy forego the passing game in the second half when they wupped our butts through the air in the FIRST half?

Finwiz's picture

Because they attempted to control the clock and the game with their run game. They thought they could run the ball on the Packers.
They also wanted to avoid a costly mistake throwing the ball and risk the INT.

Packatron's picture

My first impression: Rodgers isn't gonna survive this season if our 2 starting tackles can't get healthy. These backups are turrrrible.

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