Packers Vs. Bears - 3 Plays That Make You Go Hmmm

Jersey Al picks out three thought-provoking plays from Sunday's game against the Jaguars

After re-watching the Packers game, here are three plays that made me go hmmm, for various reasons.

EQ:

I've been waiting on EQ and he finally seemed to be part of the game plan this week. One thing that impressed me is his cutting ability running routes. He does a great job planting his foot in the ground and changing direction, a top reason why he was so open on his catches. As for "after the catch," perhaps there's a lack of toughness there. EQ makes what they call in the league, "business decisions." In other words, he's not eager to take big hits in the name of a few more yards, like perhaps Allen Lazard, for example. I've noticed this before, but there were two examples in this game (see video) of EQ looking for the safety of the sideline, when a cut upfield would have resulted in a bigger gain, but perhaps a crunching tackle. The irony in this is that he ends up taking a big hit on the first play anyway.

 

Bears TD:

It's hard for me to fathom how you forget about Allen Robinson on the goal line, but the Packers did it twice. The play in the video is especially egregious, as it shows the Bears with three eligible receivers on their right with only two Packers DBs. On the left side, the Bears have one receiver, and the Packers have three defensive backs, two of whom have no one to cover. How does someone on that defense not notice the problem with this? Credit to the Bears for taking advabtage, but this play really gave me "the red ass.".

 

Marcedes Vs. Mack

Gotta love Marcedes Lewis - he backs down to no one and here he has little use for Mack's hands in his face, so he just throws him to the ground. Old school goodness.

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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Bearmeat's picture

December 01, 2020 at 10:28 am

Man. Our defense. Puke. IF they can just find a way to play fundamentally sound more often than not, this is shaping up to be a Lombardi winning year. If not, another painful January is in the cards.

Kudos to the young WRs and Gute. His hopes there have panned out beautifully. Thank God we didn't pay for Fuller.

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SteelyPhil's picture

December 01, 2020 at 10:58 am

Yeah the Fuller no-sign is looking genius just a couple weeks later. We really dodged a bullet.

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Bure9620's picture

December 01, 2020 at 05:36 pm

The Packers are allowing 344.9 yards per game through week 12, which is tied 13th........with the Bears......yes the Bears vaunted defense.....the defense isn't great....however it is not nearly as bad as it has been in recent seasons under Capers.......we can win with this group

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MITM's picture

December 01, 2020 at 08:32 pm

Maybe with this group, not with this coordinator. But also not with this group either actually. I dont know how much more you need to see, but get back to me after the Titans game - a team we would potentially see IF we made it to the Super Bowl - and lets talk about how this defense does then. Because how they play against shit offenses matters none. We learned that last season when the 49ers obliterated us.

If we put up a solid defensive performance against a team like the Titans then you could make that statement. We are incapable within this scheme with these alignments of stopping Derrick Henry. Literally Incapable. Whats more, Christian Kirksey makes ankle tackles against small backs so watch how many times Henry breaks his tackles. And Darnell Savage at the next level aint gonna make that tackle either.

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Bure9620's picture

December 01, 2020 at 08:54 pm

Not getting back to you

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HighPlainsDrifter's picture

December 02, 2020 at 03:09 am

Good idea. You would be wasting your time, because MITM would not understand you if you did.

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Nate-1980's picture

December 04, 2020 at 06:46 pm

MITM has a point though, the defense did a good job against the colts( an average offense) until the offense stunk up the second half and gassed the d.. But they really haven’t excelled against the better offenses we played like the saints and Bucs.. I think that Mike P is mostly to blame because they’re put in horrible positions to succeed..The packs defense does need to dominate a good offense for them to deserve more faith to be good enough to take them to the super bowl.. Wow another derogatory remark at a poster from High Plains, no way..:) I think he’s just a grumpy old man, but which one is he ?? Walter M. or Jack L ha haaaaa..

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hodge555's picture

December 02, 2020 at 06:01 am

Don't forget that the Bears offense is terrible and as a result they are not on the field very much which in turn means their defense is out there longer soaking up yardage.
Example from our game, the Bears only had the ball for 22mins.

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x24's picture

December 01, 2020 at 10:36 am

Loved to see Marcedes' grit on that play!

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Minniman's picture

December 01, 2020 at 12:51 pm

An all pro right tackle was not going to play that better.

Big dawg, one of the unsung heroes of this team and a real difference maker.

Made a great catch a couple of games ago too - a real veterans move to get separation, and most importantly, make the catch.

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stockholder's picture

December 01, 2020 at 10:51 am

EQ- After the Catch.- Confidence isn't there yet. Might be seeing " The once of prevention beats the pound of cures" And with MVS fumble and Lazards big hit. Their development is going to be up and down yet.

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CheesyTex's picture

December 01, 2020 at 11:35 am

Good point stockholder. EQ coming off a slew of injuries may well be coached to avoid hits until he's "back". He's looked electric on a couple of plays in the last two games. Looking for him to have a bigger role as this season wears on. May have been worth waiting for.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 01, 2020 at 07:42 pm

No issues with E Quan's route running. He is smooth in release and great pick up after the catch.. Why fight 3 guys for a yard turning upfield. He's been on IR for almost a year and a half, no need to make believe he's Sterling Sharpe.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 01, 2020 at 10:55 am

"It's hard for me to fathom how you forget about Allen Robinson on the goal line, but the Packers did it twice."

Let me introduce you to Mike Pettine.

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lawatrain's picture

December 01, 2020 at 05:12 pm

I didn’t see Pettine on the field.

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blacke00's picture

December 02, 2020 at 06:44 am

It goes to show you how none " nonInstinctive" Packer players and Pettine are. Who would you be looking for if you were the Bears in this situation? Your best receiver..right? I would be following where Robinson. Noooo...the Packers play the scheme...dumb.

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Nate-1980's picture

December 04, 2020 at 07:02 pm

First off Jeremy that last sentence haha.. On that play two bears receivers were wide open and could’ve scored on that side of the end zone..I’d like to blame Mikey PP, but it was the db or line backer covering no one doing nothing to help.. Well unless Mikey PP designed that play for him to stand there, which could be possible ha..

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Pack88's picture

December 01, 2020 at 11:25 am

EQ after the catch: Look EQ spends more time in the garage than a vintage Ferrari; I don't have any problem with the business decisions when you catch the ball - but you better f-ng block , and most importantly catch the ball when thrown to you!! As for A Robinson I had the same thought about the Bunch formation WTF 3 catcher's and 2 defenders !!

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SpikeHyzer's picture

December 01, 2020 at 11:46 am

Great choices again, Al.

I too thought he should have cut up the field more decisively, and would have gained a few more yards. As you said, he did take a bigger hit as a result, though he did gain about 5 more than he would have with the sure cut to get the first down (and that's the real reason I thought he should have made the first available cut: he went laterally at that point and kept himself behind the marker and got a bit lucky to get the first down).

I don't fault him for getting to the sidelines on the long play. He was boxed in by 3 defenders and there was no way he was going to escape. Not worth it to take that kind of hit for a yard or two.

I don't question his toughness after the leaping attempt to long jump into the end zone against the Jags.

The WR group is finally coming together (and despite not targeting MVS last night, I don't think it was punishment so much as trickery to fool the Bears and finally get ESB and Lazard into the flow more).

Things are looking up. The D is improving rapidly and may finally have enough pass rush to play a little tighter coverage in the CB group (though I don't really fault the way they play a slippery little zonish thing that allows the players to read and pick up the right WR when the opponent is trying to pick and obstruct them). It seems like a better strategy against modern NFL offenses than playing tight man coverage at the line. While we do have the best in the biz at that, you sort of need 3 guys of that caliber to make tight man to man work. King is good, but he's still only got 2 seasons worth of games under his belt in 4 years. I don't fault anyone for injuries, but in terms of development, he's deep into his SECOND year of playing, about the time when the light clicks on in a player's development.

He showed it last night with perhaps the best game of his career thus far.

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ricky's picture

December 01, 2020 at 11:48 am

That the defense acts confused as to their assignments several times a game has become a pattern of ineptitude. We're 12 weeks (13 if you include the bye week), and the defense is still having trouble getting lined up correctly? And giving up two quick TD's one of the most inept offenses in the league, forcing the offense to keep it's starters on the field longer than necessary? Something needs to change.

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December 01, 2020 at 12:25 pm

...That the defense acts confused as to their assignments several times a game has become a pattern of ineptitude. We're 12 weeks (13 if you include the bye week), and the defense is still having trouble getting lined up correctly?...

Yeah, the more I watch the more I move my focus to the coaching of the defense. You can have good players but if you are going to cover three guys with two you are going to need to use the 'force'. LaFleur is going to pay the price this year for defensive coaching unless a magic coin drops.

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December 01, 2020 at 03:09 pm

Hmmm... Lafleur has had his own problems with offensive blackouts in the third and most of the fourth quarters for most of this year. (The Bears game being an exception) Packers defense under Pettine has held the line giving this offense a chance to regroup in the second half. Both units have flaws, both coaches have at time blind spots to those flaws. And yet, in the Bear game we saw both coaches make major changes to their units in their game plan. Yeah, the bunch formation was a major brain fart, or more likely, the Bears surprised the Packers with an unscouted look. The other side gets a vote too.

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Grandfathered's picture

December 01, 2020 at 07:23 pm

Yeah, I wonder if one of the safeties or cbs should have called for a repositioning. A leader like Tramon Williams or Leroy Butler would have seen and made the change.

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MITM's picture

December 01, 2020 at 08:33 pm

I think we all know which side is gonna let us down in that Titans game though!

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 01, 2020 at 07:45 pm

Why didn't they call a time out?

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

December 01, 2020 at 11:54 am

Even if they didn't have numbers on their back, it isn't hard to tell who is EQ and who is Lazard on the field. Lazard plays like he belongs in the "Black and Blue Division".
Also Al, interesting comments as always. Thanks for writing.

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Since'61's picture

December 01, 2020 at 12:24 pm

EQ should have cut up the field rather than running outside and taking a big hit anyway. He made the first down which was the key but turning upfield he may have been fast enough to get by the first defender and maybe make a move to get into the open field. At the least he picks up a few extra yards.

I don’t believe that players should take unnecessary hits but they should not deliberately avoid them either.

Too many coaching and communication issues on defense especially at this point in the season. Pettine needs to pull his group together. No excuse on the A. Robinson TD.

As for M. Lewis vs Mack, that’s just good physical football. “We don’t play no mamby-pamby football.”
Thanks, Since ‘61

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Minniman's picture

December 01, 2020 at 01:05 pm

Since 61, I noticed 2 catches that ESB made where he delayed cutting upfield straight away and by cutting laterally to try and bounce outside, really flirted with not making it to the down marker because of it (was able to use his elusiveness to eventually get the distance).

Sure, he’s still young, but the more tape he puts up that this is his tendency, the quicker that defenses will learn this and react accordingly (I.e. first guy there don’t over-commit and make sure to flush him laterally, second phase delivers the blow).

If he keeps this up, his next ‘business decisions’ may not be getting made on the football field.

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Grandfathered's picture

December 01, 2020 at 07:26 pm

But EQ did have a block. At least he's not afraid to block.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

December 01, 2020 at 12:17 pm

It's all about Matt LaFleur. When you're as good as the Packers are at present on offense your greater focus has to be on how you will stop the other great offensive teams you will face in the playoffs. Tampa Bay showed they can walk all over this D. We know KC will be almost impossible to stop. Pittsburg, Baltimore, even Arizona (how do you contain Murray), Seattle. The Vikings have a shot to be in, how do we stop Cook? I highly doubt we will be favored in most of these games. It's Ground Hog Year in Green Bay. We love our high scoring team with our HOF QB, we generally win the Division, we beat up on Da Bears, but come playoff time, our Defense gets stomped. Matt LaFleur has shown he knows how to score points. He's a good motivator as a head coach and has won a lot of games already with the Packers. But to be more than a head coach who is really only a glorified OC, he has to become defensive-minded. I'm sure he's trying, but from where we all sit it's hard to see. This defense is the same as it's been for almost two years under his command This isn't just about firing Pettine. It's also not about Gute not supplying him with the right players. It's about becoming a complete head coach who makes the difficult decisions, some that are so obvious it doesn't take a great football mind to see. Our DL regularly parts like the Red Sea. Look at the tape, Clark double teamed in one direction, Lowry turned around or on his face in the other, and no LB in the hole. Yet Lowry continues to get meaningful snaps and the LB's still can't figure out the gap is between Clark and Lowry. We speak often here about the soft coverage of the DB's. MLF has to demand greater toughness, get in the faces of the receivers, overrule Pettine if he continues to allow teams crazy 12-minute drives. Because that's what the good offensive teams do against us, and it keeps Rodgers off the field. I'd like to not hear another word from MLF about the offense, I want to hear his anger and accountability for the defense, his version of "What the hell's going on out there!" There is talent on this defense. Jaire is the best CB in football. Clark one of the best tackles. The Smiths and Gary aren't as great as we once thought they'd be but they're more than adequate. Same for Savage and Amos at the back end. Raven Green is developing into a solid player. This D can be much better. It's all about what MLF can do from here on to get them to improve, and prove he's a complete head coach.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 01, 2020 at 03:40 pm

It may not be his call JL. MLF had no experience in handling a major unit when hired by Green Bay. Learning how to handle and mange all on the field aspects takes time. In reality this is his second season as on the field manger. That is a fairly steep of learning curve. As GM, having a veteran coach with HC experience in Pettine is a major asset. One would be a fool not to use it. So is MLF a glorified OC, no of course not. But he has less power because of lack of experience and who the GM is. In Green Bay the final decision rests with Gute as GM in all football matters. Does MLF get a say, yes but not the final one. That's Gute's call.

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Coldworld's picture

December 01, 2020 at 05:15 pm

Gute doesn’t pick coaches and GMs typically don’t (unless a team combines the roles, which we haven’t since Sherman). TT didn’t have authority over coaches and LaFleur reports to Murphy, not Gute. Gute isn’t LaFleur’s boss, or Ball’s. He has control over the roster but less overall power than TT.

Maybe Murphy had a say, but I’ve never seen any evidence that this was anyone other than LaFleur.

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December 02, 2020 at 01:44 pm

Wrong in all points CW. You and I will disagree on this, but the final call on who makes the decisions rest with the executive committee, and they hired Gute over Murphy's objections, and have vested him with more and more power at Murphy's expense. That's on the public record, not what we think but what we know. As to the structure Gute reports to the executive committee, not Murphy. There is a wall between business and football operations that has been in existence since the Ron Wolf era, and this current group has enforced since the Mike McCarthy firing. That was made very clear to MLF who the boss was over his late season presser last year. Right now, the only real check on Gute rests in the executive committee, thanks to Murphy's overreach. All on the field decisions rests with him, all of it. Including the hiring and firing of coaches. Gute may be the most powerful GM in football today.

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December 01, 2020 at 05:44 pm

I agree Flack, and I too believe MLF is learning. Smart young guy, he'll get it eventually. And I honestly believe, for lack of choice, he'll start to put his skills to better use on the defensive side of the ball. Rodgers won't be jealous if MLF spends more time with the guys on the other side of the ball, he certainly wants a better D so he can be on the field more. It's just those years of pleading to get rid of Capers, to no avail, ingrained in our brains, that cause trepidation.

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December 02, 2020 at 02:22 pm

JL to think MLF and Pettine are not working together is silly. The time they have is limited in the season. I mean none of this is happening in a vacuum. Both coaches have to make constant adjustments from lost of personnel to changing game conditions. Making sure of the roster in this season alone puts immense strain on all three phases of the game. I get some on this blog, want to use Pettine like they use Dom Capers as a stalking horse for what they think are the team problems. It just gets a little...tired after a while.

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December 02, 2020 at 04:51 pm

No flack, what "gets tiring", and got tiring for years, was the constant defense of Capers, and now Pettine. What "gets tiring" is the constant defense of bad defensive play.

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December 03, 2020 at 05:34 pm

I get that JL. What I don't get is how some can not see how much the game has changed in the past decade, and still do the blame DC X game. Defend Capers. I did, and few others too. But most bashed Capers every day of the week on this blog for most of his tenure. Now the same crap is happening on this blog to Pettine. I mean it JL. Beating up on Pettine has gotten old and really stale. There are problems in personnel, but we all know for the most part that's not on Pettine. League scores are averaging about three touchdowns per game, regardless of the defense. Both Tampa Bay and the L.A. Rams got torched last week. That's what happens when the NFL rules favors offense. It's unbalanced, and I don't care who's in charge of the D, he would have the exact same issues that Pettine and every DC in the league has to deal with.

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Befuddled's picture

December 01, 2020 at 06:32 pm

One instance that LaFleur may have told Pettine to do something different was the 4th and 26 call against Jacksonville. The Packers were going with the dreaded 3-man rush but then a time out was called, then they switched to a 4-man rush. It turned out to be the right call because the pressure got home. Was LaFleur asked about this?

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December 02, 2020 at 02:31 pm

More likely one of the coaches in the sky box spotted the issue and called down to either coach to alert them. Good catch in any case. Was MLF asked. Yeah, in both his after game with Rock in the Packers network, and post game presser. I don't think it was addressed in that way by MLF. More issues mostly on the offense ask in his presser.

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December 01, 2020 at 01:23 pm

I don't know why Pettine plays soft at the end of the first half and at the end of the game. And the Packers were undermanned for the receiver screen to Montgomery for the touchdown at the end of the game. I don't have faith in Pettine fixing the defense before the playoffs. They got rid of Shepherd for his mistakes, why not Pettine.

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December 01, 2020 at 01:23 pm

I don't know why Pettine plays soft at the end of the first half and at the end of the game. And the Packers were undermanned for the receiver screen to Montgomery for the touchdown at the end of the game. I don't have faith in Pettine fixing the defense before the playoffs. They got rid of Shepherd for his mistakes, why not Pettine.

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Fabio's picture

December 01, 2020 at 02:51 pm

Good article Al. I think the LB must be the director of that situation and .... Kirksey proves to be not up to it. Greetings see you soon GPG

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December 01, 2020 at 03:03 pm

I keep seeing LB, CB and S away from the opposing WR-TE and this very often leads to delayed tackles with lost yards ..... And I would not talk about the defense of the RUN .....

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pacman's picture

December 01, 2020 at 04:03 pm

Great post Al. I've accepted that Petine is here for the rest of the season. I can't see how he stays though unless the D shows more improvement. And since our schedule is pretty easy for the rest of the season, he has a chance to do just that. If we get runover in the playoffs by anyone (unfortunately, that's the current expectation), that will be a pretty good excuse to get rid of him.

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PeteK's picture

December 01, 2020 at 05:27 pm

Our young receivers are making some mistakes as they are progressing, but they're hustling and blocking. Defense seems to be a problem with most of the better teams. A result of very talented receivers and QBs in today's football. "the red ass" Stop drinking that cheap wine. Hahahaha

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December 01, 2020 at 06:52 pm

Al, I dont post much but read alot. Negative nancys abound never happy always have the better opinion and cure for the team, it gets old. I know I dont have to read the comments but...

If there is a way to play Arods Tuesday 2pm EST interview with Pat McAfee on MadDog radio or youtube it is more enlightening than ever. His thoughts and comments are well thought out and his appreciation of his teammates are awesome.

Alot of fans dont follow twitter or youtube they can find it on either. His love of Marcedes Lewis is outstanding.
Anyway as a fan from before Super Bowl 1 my glass is half full.

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December 01, 2020 at 07:22 pm

When I was watching the game, I thought there were 2 times EQ almost lost the first down by not running vertically and choosing to run horizontally. Each time, he got the first time by escaping a tackle.

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December 01, 2020 at 08:43 pm

I get that as fans we want to have the most positive outlook on our teams - hence why after we win a game like this you see the typical "defense isnt THAT bad you know look at the numbers blah blah" comments. I certainly used to be one of those people myself. But after a DECADE of that proving to never be the case when it mattered most, I wont do it anymore.

Maybe if they can do at least a RESPECTABLE job against Derrick Henry and then ill feel more comfortable saying that. But I no longer can trick myself after yet another win against the Bears offense into thinking this defense is enough for us to win a Super Bowl. We are 11 games into the season to know that that 49ers NFCCG was no fluke and that can be done to us again at the drop of a hat still.

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December 01, 2020 at 09:08 pm

How many other defenses do you actually watch and analyze? Seattle cannot rush the passer or cover anyone..........The numbers are the numbers.....The Packers are also 13th in rush defense, yards per game......114.5 per game average.....For reference Kansas City gives up 128 per game.......

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December 01, 2020 at 10:16 pm

yeah again thats whats funny about those numbers....the Chiefs are the reigning defending SB champs with an offense that whether you like it or not, is lightyears more effective than Green Bays. In addition Mike Pettine isnt their DC. So thats not a good reference. Talk to me in a couple of weeks after that Titans game my man. Because im not sure if you are aware of this - but to win the Super Bowl you gotta beat the best AFC team....so we KNOW we could beat the Seahawks and possibly the Saints again so who cares about any NFC defense. If we make it to the Super Bowl our defense cannot be trusted to stop any of those top 3-4 AFC teams - UNLESS we can prove it against the Titans

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December 01, 2020 at 11:19 pm

So again, we have facts and Data.......The Chiefs average about 30 yards more per game than the Packers....They average 31.6 points per game the Packers average 31.7 points per game......not lights years...in fact the Chiefs have been slowed in a few games this year......23 against the Chargers in OT, 26 against New England, 26 against Buffalo, 27 last week against the Bucs......And yes.......I am aware the Super Bowl is a football game featuring the Champions of the NFC and AFC respectively.....

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December 01, 2020 at 10:08 pm

Such a waste.

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December 04, 2020 at 06:50 pm

Love seeing Lewis take down Mack, and then stick his hand in his face at the end..:) That Old Big Dog might have to be resigned next year..

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