Packers targeting Raiders tight end Darren Waller

The team tried to trade for the veteran when they sent Davante Adams to Las Vegas.

The speculation surrounding the Green Bay Packers acquiring another pass catcher via trade, at least publicly, has mostly centered around veteran wide receivers such as DK Metcalf or Deebo Samuel. 

According to a pair of league sources, however, the Packers are targeting a veteran tight end. Specifically, Las Vegas Raiders tight end Darren Waller. The Packers and Raiders have engaged in talks regarding a trade of Waller with an eye toward a deal getting done during this week’s NFL draft.

Waller is also apparently the player the Packers were trying to pry away from the Raiders during the negotiations around the trade of Davante Adams, a move that was nixed when both sides were reminded that league rules prohibit players being part of compensation for a trade of a player on an unsigned franchise tag. 

Waller will turn 30 in September and still has two years remaining on his deal, one which features no more guaranteed money remaining on it. 

No word yet on what kind of compensation is being discussed or offered by the Packers. 

Last season, Waller missed five games due to a combination of a knee injury, a back injury and time on the COVID list. In the 11 games he appeared in, he caught 55 balls for 665 yards and two touchdowns while averaging 12.1 yards per reception. 

Waller was selected as a wide receiver in the sixth round of the 2015 NFL Draft by the Baltimore Ravens. After his rookie season, the Ravens converted him to tight end. 

The Raiders signed Waller off the Ravens’ practice squad in 2018. He made the Pro Bowl in 2020 with 107 catches for 1,196 yards and 9 touchdowns.

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SteveMiller22's picture

April 25, 2022 at 05:22 pm

Oh hell yes. He would carve up the middle of the field with 12. Send picks 59 and 140 and lets ride.

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2022 at 09:30 am

12 doesn't like to throw the middle of the field.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 26, 2022 at 12:29 pm

He'll be 30 in september and coming off an injury plagued season. Hes about to fall off a cliff. Please no.

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Bure9620's picture

April 25, 2022 at 06:37 pm

Gimmee....Always liked Wallers game, matchup nightmare. Huge target, great athlete. What will he cost?? 2nd and a 4th??? He is 30 in September....it is clear Gute likes to have Veterans at the TE position. Graham, Lewis....Waller??

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 26, 2022 at 08:18 am

What was the net result of the Retread Movement? Toss numbnuts, Bennett into the quagmire while you're at it.

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croatpackfan's picture

April 26, 2022 at 08:50 am

Bennet was TT pick, not BG

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Kbal22's picture

April 25, 2022 at 06:34 pm

Just hope GB fans don’t get their hopes too high up, in his prime and with 0 guaranteed money on the books, feel like it’d have to cost a first round pick if they pull it off. Rodgers would have a LOT of fun with Waller though

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ReaganRulz's picture

April 25, 2022 at 06:52 pm

A top pass catcher at a price much lower than one of these high priced WRs. Yes, please!!

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Lphill's picture

April 25, 2022 at 06:58 pm

Looks like a second round pick will get it done originally it was a 1 .

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 25, 2022 at 07:02 pm

This would amount to trading Adams to the Raiders for a 30 year TE with a checkered pas, on the backend of his career (think Jimmy Graham), and a second rounder. The Raiders apparently want their #22 from the Adams trade for Waller.

Think about that.

Good grief. Just use #22 on McBride...that would be a better move. I doubt that will happen either.

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Bure9620's picture

April 25, 2022 at 07:11 pm

Not really comparable to Jimmy Graham imo...better player and more in his prime. Waller is actually a serviceable blocker as well...not a great blocker but willing.....Graham's attempts at blocking were comical...

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2022 at 09:34 am

Paul Johnson's offense at GT was a 'bone/option type offense, which meant that his college WR all had to block and didn't put up big numbers. If Waller had been playing in a "modern offense" coming out, I suspect he would have gotten much more attention. Waller had some substance abuse issues, but has apparently cleaned himself up and is now a model citizen and locker room leader.

I think Waller's usage is very similar to Jimmy Graham in terms of routes run and the like. There's a lot to like about him, but it's all about where value and price point meet.

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Reghamster's picture

April 27, 2022 at 09:50 pm

Well it is axiomatic that any trade is to be evaluated by what is given away for the player. At 30 Waller is 7 years younger than Mercedes is and we have a deficiency of players who can quote catch the ball. He is a good run blocker too ( especially in comparison to a Jimmy G. ) . He is worth a late 2nd or early 3rd rounder in my estimation. We only have Rodgers for 2 to possibly 4 years and he doesn't suffer rookie fools gladly . A new TE would only yield half the results of Waller in the next 2 or 3 years . Derek Carr agrees apparently! Lol at the mere idea of a trade realizing how valuable Waller is to the Raiders . Rodgers can throw any pass and will throw the damn ball to whomever is open and the idea that he doesn't throw down the middle has more to do with the players we have had than anything else .
Waller is Aa rare draft choice ! An instant starter . I would love McLaurin even more though the smoke has died down there it seems . Draft Niks get far too carried away by these unrealized potential draft picks . A good draft yields 3 to 4 good picks and a few rotational players and perhaps a decent PT player as well as an exclusive ST if all goes well. Watkins and Waller are obvious starters for a few years despite some injury issues . A few relatively inexpensive vets helps the overall team cause !

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Johnblood27's picture

April 26, 2022 at 07:28 am

I am 100% on board with the McBride alternative.

Youth will be served!

Much better use of the draft capital than on an injured 30 year old. BTW, Lewis and his age are not parallels to Waller, who's game does not rely on the same physical attributes as lewis. Wallers are much more susceptible to age.

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Reghamster's picture

April 27, 2022 at 09:56 pm

Meaning what ? That Lewis is such a superior blocker than Waller ( which underrates Waller's blocking ) even though Mercede's catches during the year are relatively few and exaggerated by sentimental older fans like myself. Derek Carr's anxiety at losing Waller proves how valuable he is . Youth can be served by a blocking first type NDFA TE if we can add Waller with only a 3rd or 4th round pick . Look how we got burned by Sternberger .

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 26, 2022 at 11:08 am

I 100% agree. No thank you to a 30 year old TE for a high draft pick in THIS draft! Heck, I'm not sure I'd give a THIRD round pick for him. 4th? Fine.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 26, 2022 at 12:31 pm

You lost me at using #22 for mcbride. Packers already have 3 tight ends under contract not to mention Rodgers doesnt throw to the middle of the field anymore. I wouldnt use any resources on the position at all. Would just be a waste.

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MainePackFan's picture

April 25, 2022 at 07:01 pm

Due to the legality of the trade, Waller was replaced by the second round pick correct? If so, the deal was Tae for pick 22 and Waller....interesting, and somewhat thought provoking ;-)

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stockholder's picture

April 25, 2022 at 07:04 pm

30 what? No- he's broken.

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DTowleJr's picture

April 25, 2022 at 07:23 pm

May I remind you that Big Dog (Marcedes Lewis) is 37 and the Packers kept him because he has made contributions to the bottom line. TEs and WRs turning 30 in the NFL is just about in the beginning of their prime, so lots of tread on left those tires.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 26, 2022 at 08:15 am

He should retire.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 26, 2022 at 10:12 pm

He is the best blocking TE we have and he’s always available.. He’s a 6th offensive lineman and part of our success in the run game. He’s a solid veteran presence. I wish we had 4 TEs who were better than him, but we don’t even have one.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 26, 2022 at 12:33 pm

Lewis is a blocker whos game isnt built on speed and agility like Waller's is. What good is Waller if hes starting to break down physically and cant do the things he did 2 years ago?

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 25, 2022 at 07:28 pm

Maybe for a fourth round pick. Get a couple guys in the draft. Lewis is a part-time player.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 25, 2022 at 08:11 pm

Agree!

For a 3rd or 4th but not a 2nd! That would really be a step backwards.

So if true what did KC get for Tyreek, and what did Gutey get for Adam's? Strange!

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 26, 2022 at 07:56 am

When was Tonyan offered, before or after the Adams trade? Keep Liquid assets, Mc Bride is in the picture with a move into the high second. I like Reuter's mock with Olave and Lucas in the top spots. The second round can then go on the DT and TE hunt. Maybe another high CB falls or a Safety comes into the value chart. WR & OT are the Primary needs. A DT who can range three to FIVE TECH and pressure the QB. Another OT in the fourth. Two Wides high in this draft. A PR/KR guy. Change the methodology. Win the Big Game.

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2022 at 09:39 am

Tonyan signed on March 20...that's 4 days into the new league year and a couple days after DA was dealt.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 26, 2022 at 11:05 am

Thank you.

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MooPack's picture

April 25, 2022 at 07:05 pm

3rd or 4th rounder. 3rd is the target round for TE. Packers .... the bed in the 3rd anyway.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 25, 2022 at 07:37 pm

If we trade the 3rd rounder for Waller, at least it's not a wasted pick. (Insert guy pointing to his head meme.)

We haven't had the best luck with 3rd round and TEs. Maybe the best way to use that 3rd rounder is to trade it for a player.

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MooPack's picture

April 26, 2022 at 06:01 am

Yep.

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greengold's picture

April 26, 2022 at 08:15 am

Are we to assume from now on that all players slotted in R3 are off limits to the Packers?

This notion is such defeatist BS. Don’t you think? We simply can’t participate in selecting players between 59 and 106? Really? Have to wait for the next 70 players to come off the board? Ridiculous.

Because people have already given up on Deguara and Amari Rodgers?

GM’s have misses all the time. Gutekunst had two in Oren Burks and Jace Sternberger. Gutekunst just needs to stop wasting picks, and start landing some R3 gems. They are there for the taking.

Personally, I don’t want Waller, and neither do the Raiders, which should tell you something. They’d rather get their R2 back…

At 370 points, that’s worth more than a high R3 plus a high R4. In Packers terms, where we’re ALWAYS picking late in every round, it is worth MORE than two low R3s and two low R4s…

You guys really want to spend that on an injured Waller? No thanks. I’ll gladly try to turn that into 2-4 more great players added to this Packers team, right in the heart of this draft.

Ask yourself if you wouldn’t rather have 2-4 players from this group (quickly pulled some in range 59 - 132 from today’s TSN mock update):

EDGE Cam Thomas
LB Quay Walker
TE Cade Otten
EDGE Sam Williams
WR George Pickens
WR Alec Pierce
TE Greg Dulcich
OT Braxton Jones
OG Jamaree Salyer
OT Max Mitchell
CB Coby Bryant
TE Charlie Kolar
OT Tyler Smith
OG Sean Rhyan
CB Marcus Jones
LB Troy Andersen

Not saying this is THE group, but pick any mock picks 65-132, and see if you wouldn’t rather have 2-4 of those players…instead of Waller.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 26, 2022 at 08:09 am

The third should be used for CBs and WRs in this draft. Making a move for Waller tells me they are not confident in uncovering TE talent and their History with selections is spotty. Lewis may not make it out of Camp ( did anybody watch the Playoff Game?). Tonyan @ the Infirmary until November. I see their point of view and can read the panic meter. Tyler Davis may work out and they should actually use Deguara's talent as a move TE and in HB sets a' la Chris Cooley. The TE class is loaded with Inline guys who can play the hook zones and a couple of receiving talents like Ferguson.

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2022 at 10:47 am

"Making a move for Waller tells me they are not confident in uncovering TE talent "

I think the value of a healthy Waller (he's got to pass a physical, after all) on a pretty affordable contract in exchange for a 3rd round lottery ticket makes that deal a no-brainer. He's immediately the best pass-catcher on the roster...for a 3rd. That's what we should be taking away from that kind of move. I'm much more iffy on a 2nd round pick given that Waller probably only plays a couple seasons in GB.

Many are saying the Packers want to get this done at the draft. The Packers could see how their first few picks yield pass catchers...but if you deal a pick for Waller, the Raiders exercise the pick, and Waller fails his physical, THEN what happens?

Keep in mind that Waller returned for the Raiders' last regular season game last season and played in their playoff game (7 catches).

"The TE class is loaded with Inline guys who can play the hook zones and a couple of receiving talents like Ferguson."

Agreed, but you can get many of those guys on day 3. The TE class isn't big on star power, so many might be overdrafted out of need...I think Ferguson might fit in at the end of day 2.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 26, 2022 at 11:17 am

I will agree on the third round value. It tells me they are not counting on Tonyan showing up until late November/Dec. The Raiders have paid big cash out to Davonte, a slew of Free agents for their D and brought in Hollister, so maybe they want to reset some budget and try to retrench with the #53? I would not give it up, or the #59.

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DTowleJr's picture

April 25, 2022 at 07:27 pm

If the compensation is a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick, I'm sure the Packers can absorb that cost. I don't believe that Waller is worth a 1st, that's a little rich for another aging veteran when there are some very good choices on Day 3.

I'll trust that Gutekunst has done his homework on this, so if he is willing to make the move, then I will enjoy that move.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 25, 2022 at 07:29 pm

I have a strict policy against believing anything that unknown team sources say leading up to the draft.

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PackerAaron's picture

April 25, 2022 at 10:43 pm

I'll let my sources know.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 26, 2022 at 07:25 am

Are you not bright enough to know that anything put out there at this time of year is encased in grains of salt?

I don't care how much you like/trust your "source(s)", get a clue!

Fun grist for the mill, however I wouldn't be ordering any Waller Packer jerseys!

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PackerAaron's picture

April 26, 2022 at 07:28 am

Still jumping right to insults I see. Never change man.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 26, 2022 at 07:29 am

still being the same ole doofus I see, keep on keepin on man!

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jhtobias's picture

April 25, 2022 at 07:43 pm

I'm not saying this is not true but it is strange. I understand they could not trade players when Davonte was franchised but that has been over a month ago. Why has it taken a month for this to come out? compensation seems the 53rd pick was agreed on . Seems to me Mr. Waller wants a bigger contract which is holding this up .

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2022 at 09:29 am

My guess is because, since Waller could never seriously be part of the Adams deal, it wasn't given much credence by those who leak out info to the media. Then FA started and each team cooled their jets for a month as they focused on other things.

With the draft just a day or two away and it's about "shit or get off the pot" time, it could be that they're kicking this can around a little bit to see if either side has adjusted their thinking.

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2022 at 08:11 pm

6-6 238 when Waller ran his 4.46… Right in G’s wheelhouse…

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 25, 2022 at 09:19 pm

He's bigger and faster than London for sure... ; )

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Coldworld's picture

April 26, 2022 at 10:17 am

He had long periods of being ineffective last season before being injured late. I haven’t watched him enough to be confident as to why, but one of the reasons I’ve seen cited for needing Adams was to take over some of what had been Waller’s snaps. That’s odd since Adams is hardly a man mountain receiver.

30 isn’t old for a TE necessarily, but their supposed willingness to move on from Waller having signed a premier receiver does puzzle me, given he’s their best TE supposedly, cheap in cap terms and a good locker room presence these days.

His pre injury catch percentage went down by over ten points (he missed 6 games), he was often overlooked in favor of down field targets compared to the prior year. One could argue Adams will indeed in part replace him. I wonder if the issue is perceived decline.

If anyone has greater insight I’d be happy to hear it. I’d want to be a whole lot more informed before I backed giving up a second round pick. This is one for the pro scouts, but I fear that we could end up getting a player on the downside and that that’s what set up the Adams trade and willingness to move on from Waller if true.

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greengold's picture

April 26, 2022 at 10:15 am

Totally agree. There are times to pump the brakes, and then there are times to really lay on ‘em. I’m in the latter camp on this one.

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2022 at 10:17 am

My impressions were that he was being bracketed a lot. His target share remained high throughout the season when he was on the field, even after Ruggs' disappeared (but that was when Renfrow blew up). Carr liked to throw to him...used his outlets a lot.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 26, 2022 at 08:14 am

Move away from this deal.

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greengold's picture

April 26, 2022 at 08:52 am

I agree. Was simply pointing out the metrics. I’m not a fan. Jace Sternberger & Oren Burks had metrics. I’d rather take the best player we can land with the 53 or the 93 for that matter.

PLUS, we can trade that 53 pick down for more players, more OL, more DL, potentially a great EDGE, TE or S… maybe one of each from those position 5 groups when all is said and done.

Seems foolish, really, with all the WR talent considered to be in that area as well. Pierce. Moore. Bell. Thornton. Jones. Shakir, Robinson, Tolbert… Ezukanma, Austin III… all possibilities.

Can we instead trade Waller for those kinds of picks? Doubt it. Idk. Waller certainly had a great 2020 season, and a solid 2019 the year prior. 2021 seemed a regression prior to his knee injury. We’ll see.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 26, 2022 at 09:03 am

That was then, this is now. Is his knee 100%? Now a back boo-boo. No way does he merit a two.

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2022 at 09:26 am

IMO, if the Packers can get him for a 3rd, that's a pretty good deal for the G&G, given how low his cap hit is over the next two seasons. It would be an all-in kind of move. He's Tonyan...only with a healthy knee, older and more established. This becomes a very physical outside group of receivers with Waller, Watkins, and Lazard.

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Coldworld's picture

April 26, 2022 at 10:10 am

He had knee and back injuries last year. The knee was designated an IT band injury, usually affecting distance runners. Iliotibial band syndrome occurs when the connective tissue (ligament) extending from the pelvic bone to the shinbone becomes so tight that it rubs against the thighbone. It can be recurring.

As far as I know, the nature of the back injury wasn’t disclosed. Back injuries may be very worrying or largely nothing. Taken Together, I’d have to have access to the medical experts to determine if indeed he is significantly healthier than Tonyan outside of the short term. Possibly, but not a given.

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greengold's picture

April 26, 2022 at 10:18 am

Waller went down with a strained IT band in his knee, and had back problems before and after his knee injury Week 11 last season.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 26, 2022 at 11:31 am

He is in the 250 # range now. Carr says he's staying. We will see....

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JerseyCheese's picture

April 26, 2022 at 08:17 am

Sorry, not sure who the sources are on this one but there's just no way this deal happens. What do the Raiders have to gain by losing one of the key targets? He doesn't seem disgruntled, he reported to workouts, there's no way. Don't get too excited about this one Packers fans

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2022 at 10:36 am

...and, for now, he can play for the Raiders on a pretty cheap deal with no guaranteed money. Makes him easy to trade, but also makes him a value piece for them. Waller is about 50/50 TE/WR at this point if you look at his snaps played. How many of those TE snaps were really played with his hand on the ground, I don't know.

IN EDIT: apparently Waller was 4th among TEs in % of snaps played split wide last season. FWIW.

I think the draft picks are more valuable to the Packers than Waller. I think he'd play a lot of snaps standing up in GB...think Jimmy Graham (with way fewer drops and lackadaisical routes, God willing). That takes some pressure off the WR position and bolsters the perimeter blocking, but he doesn't run 4.4s anymore, so how much relief he grants to the offense by stretching the D is up for debate.

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HarryHodag's picture

April 26, 2022 at 12:53 pm

....and a rookie third round draft pick(where the tight ends will go) will give the Packers a boost in the passing attack and a blocker for the run? Sorry, this deal is good for the Packers. There's lots of tape on Waller--done during NFL games--and tape of rookies playing against college kids.

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Dragon5's picture

April 26, 2022 at 09:12 am

Waller, born 09-13-1992, an injury prone 7 life path Monkey in his enemy year of the Tiger: HARD PASS. If Gute wants that trade, do it next year after his value likely falls further in his enemy year with 'Tae taking targets and the chemistry between Carr & Renfrow now well established; recall Adams is in his enemy year as well--Renfrow may be fantasy steal again this year. Sure Waller looks great on paper, but high odds Gute already messed up with the Jarran Reed & Preston Smith signings...both in injury prone personal 7 years & Monkeys in their enemy year to boot.

Cook may be 35, but for a year, can be cheap stopgap for a year assuming Tonyan reassumes TE#1 LATE '22 / '23

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 26, 2022 at 11:12 am

NO. No picks before the fourth round for an injured 30 year old TE.
I'll be incredibly disappointed in BG if this happens.

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HarryHodag's picture

April 26, 2022 at 12:48 pm

I'd do this deal in a heartbeat. Waller would provide a real target for Rodgers, alleviating some of the need to draft a receiver early in the draft.

What you have is a veteran, in a year deemed as 'all in', who can diversify the passing attack and play at a professional level. The draft only provides a crap shoot where a 21 year old college kid who has only played against other college kids, is expected to play at the same level as a professional. Tough task and none of the tight ends appear to be ready to play right away. Last year Stokes was the exception, but you rarely see a rookie become an All-Pro for example.

When you think that a draft pick automatically is as good as a professional you have become fully "Kiperized", believing the endless propaganda from the huge football draft industry.

If I was a GM I would depend much more on veterans than rookies any day.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 26, 2022 at 01:34 pm

Youre looking at it all wrong. Its not about expecting a drafted player to be as good as Waller. Its about the value of the pick. Sure, maybe Waller has another season or 2 in his prime before completely falling off the cliff but the odds of that arent any better than hitting on a draft pick. And hitting on a draft pick could be beneficial for 5-10 years to come. If youre a team who values the draft like the Packers do and have confidence in finding players then this is a no brainer. Say no to Waller.

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tincada's picture

April 26, 2022 at 12:59 pm

A perfect addition for the bottom feeders. Great physical shape, much like Sammy. Last season, Waller missed five games due to a combination of a knee injury, a back injury and time on the COVID list. In the 11 games he appeared in, he caught 55 balls for 665 yards and two touchdowns while averaging 12.1 yards per reception. GB better hire another team doctor and establish a geriatric ward at Lambeau. LMAO

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Leatherhead's picture

April 26, 2022 at 01:52 pm

If we trade #53 for Waller, here are some of the guys that we will not be adding to the team with that pick.

You're passing on Trey McBride, the #1 TE in the draft. You're passing on a number of very good WRs, like Pickens and Pierce. You'd rather have Waller than a good defender who might slide to the middle of the second, like DeMarvin Leal, or Logan Hall, or Jalen Pitre might.

I have no doubt that over four years, these draftees would contribute more to the Packers than adding Waller would.

It is entirely possible that this is all misinformation. In fact, considering what time of year it is, I'd consider it likely.

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Reghamster's picture

April 27, 2022 at 10:11 pm

First of all! Who says it would require the 53rd pick? It might be lower . Secondly , it is unfair to suggest Waller implicitly would equal all the players you suggest . Just one is who he is replacing if my math works out. Even McBride alone would not necessarily equal Waller's value in the next 4 years given a few years of maturation that the rookie might need ( roughly about the time Rodgers moves on. In my opinion). One of our TEs is 37 btw and a good one at that ! Our current receiving corp is quite young and another vet would help the cause esp with Rodgers under center .

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JerseyCheese's picture

April 28, 2022 at 03:32 pm

Nagler, who was your source? Everywhere I'm reading says this won't happen. You need to be called out for this one.

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