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Packers Stock Report: Packers offense is no longer Major League edition

Have we reached a point where it’s time to admit that the Green Bay Packers are a different team than the one we’ve become accustomed to? Instead of beating teams with a high-flying offense and an opportunistic defense that excels when playing with a lead, are the Packers now a team that leans on its defense and hopes its offense can scrape together enough positive plays to pull out a victory?

It feels weird typing that. We’re used to Aaron Rodgers playing like a MVP and using his talented selection of receivers and backs to march up and down the field. But since about Week 4 of last season, the Packers offense has been a weird mix of three-and-outs, frustrating moments of miscommunication, back-shoulder throws that fall harmlessly to the ground, a lackadaisical running game, and, worst of all, a fundamentally flawed quarterback.

Every now and then the offense’s ineptitude is interrupted by brief stretches of brilliance – usually some type of improvised sandlot play after Rodgers wriggles out of the pocket -- that give us all hope of a return to form. Then another back-shoulder pass flies out of bounds while the receiver never turns around, a timeout is wasted as the play clock winds down, and we’re right back to square one.  

I’m not ready to change the identity of this team yet. But it’s nearly been a full season of the Packers offense looking like Rick “Wild Thing” Vaughn in Major League before he figured out that he needed glasses. We’ve long passed the point where we can simply write this off as a slump.

Good thing the Packers Stock Report isn’t in a slump. Let’s make like Pedro Cerrano after he figured out how to hit a curve ball and knock this outta the park:

Rising

Nick Perry
Here's hoping that 1) Perry can finally stay healthy for a full season and 2) that he continues playing with the intensity and disruptiveness in both the pass and run game that he's shown these first two weeks.

Mike Daniels
Where would the Packers defensive line be without Daniels? Daniels owned both whoever was trying to block him and Adrian Peterson on Sunday.

Steady

Joe Thomas
Well, isn't this a nice surprise? I forgot that Thomas even made the team out of training camp. Not only did he make the team, he's making plays.

Clay Matthews
When Matthews hobbled off the field after the first series on Sunday, I said, "Well, three goes his hamstring." Thankfully, Matthews returned and was his usual solid self. Sounds like Matthews' ankle is a bit gimpy, though...

Falling

Aaron Rodgers
Unless it's a freestyle, sandlot type of play or a defensive pass interference, Rodgers isn't able to get the Packers offense moving. He's also been uncharacteristically inaccurate and his fundamentals are way out of whack. I'm worried. I want Rodgers to tell me to R-E-L-A-X, and then torch the Lions for 400 yards and five touchdowns. Then do it again the following week...and the following week...and the following week...

Mike McCarthy
I was perfectly fine with McCarthy's decision to skip the field goal and for it on fourth down late in the game. But a shotgun run up the gut to James Starks? With Eddie Lacy standing on the sideline? You're killing me, Mike.

Jacob Schum
Looks like Ted Thompson simply replaced one struggling punter with another struggling punter.

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staffordsneckfat's picture

You guys a writing one hell of an obituary on here today.

Might as well just lay down in the rest of the games and play for that number one pick so we can start new.

Get a grip people.

Can't wait to hear what you guys have to say when Rodgers is taking the trophy from Goodell in February.

Tarynfor12's picture

Every week another team (s) are written about in obituary form. The Packers have long been a main reason for those writings. This article isn't a final writing but a draft of what has been in the making since the Denver game last season.
The Packers appear to be fighting to be cast as the Walking Dead on offense at least, with a little support via some defensive players.
How much more of this can be calmed by self convincing it will get better. With 4 home games and a bye, 2-2 won't dispell or prohibit that final draft for the obituary.
If home games can't cure what ails them it won't be found on the road.

Portland Mark's picture

Last year I attended the Charger game and although Rodgers had a high QB rating the offense really seemed lack luster. If anything, the turning point seemed to come when the Packers recovered a Charger fumble inside the SD 40. I expected they would go down and get a TD and the rout would be on. Or, at least get a couple of first downs and then a field goal. Instead, they went backwards on three plays and punted. They haven't seemed the same since then.

L's picture

I believe that also corresponded with Ty Montgomery's injury too.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Really? Are you implying the injury to Montgomery is causal? If so, since he is healthy but not playing, the coaches must be idiots. Note that I think the coaches are idiots sometimes, so that is not an appeal to authority.

L's picture

No, just offering an observation that I recalled from last year. Montgomery was providing our offense a spark and some explosive plays before he got hurt; once he was knocked out the offense couldn't replace what he was providing. Not putting the overall lack of production on him necessarily, but for whatever reason the team started a downward slide offensively that game and for me it seemed like it truly began after he was lost.

As for why the team isn't including him in the offense to a more impactful level now I can't say for sure, but maybe it's because he's not fully recovered or maybe the coaches simply don't trust him to perform at a high level yet... who knows? Regardless, I look forward to seeing him show that he is 100% recovered and to see him used in the backfield in similar methods to R.Cobb in relief of E.Lacy who should be dominating the RB touches (Starks needs to be a handcuff only in case Eddie gets hurt or winded).

fastmoving's picture

not sure at this point if 12 ever gets any kind of trophy and that is the problem.
its not about this season or last or even the next. it may be a bigger thing if he going break out of this trend anytime soon......

4thand1's picture

The question is, how bad does AR want it? How hard is it to lose when you make 20+ mil a year with salary and endorsements? The whole offensive side of the ball needs a kick in the ass.

Mojo's picture

I didn't take Adams column as a death knell. On the contrary most was positive.

He did hit on the overriding topic of the day - the Packers offensive offense. He and we would have to be totally oblivious not to notice.

The good news is there's plenty of time to fix it. Whatever "it" is (Clintonesque). And that's the problem. I don't know if it's some kind of approach that Arod's taking and a stubbornness to adhere to it or the play calling or lack of talent or some combination. The offense is just not working. There's not too much they can do with the talent at this point (although I think it's just fine), but Arod and the never-ending stream of play callers still have time to adapt.

If they can work it out, it looks as though the D is more than decent and the ST's not bad either.

4thand1's picture

I am willing to say it's a typical GB slow start. Last year was a fluke.

Oppy's picture

I didn't avoid the game on sunday because I DIDN'T know Rodgers was going to be like that.

Nick Perry's picture

You mean EXACTLY like you do. Common dude, you even get nasty while sitting in the armchair so give us all a break.

Oppy's picture

DesertPackFan: " I only know as much or more as you! "

And, there it is. You don't even know you're being a tool, do you?

Nick Perry's picture

I hope that's not the ONLY difference between you and I. I know one for sure, I wouldn't own one of those funny Spandex Bicycle Suits let alone actually POST a picture of myself in it! Now that's a LMFAO!!!!!!

Oppy's picture

My comment was supposed to be a moment of levity, but instead, you're a complete jag. Amazing.

carusotrap's picture

You're dreaming.

dschwalm's picture

I love you "Pòllyannas

ray nichkee's picture

Yep, pretty much accurate. Thank god there are 14 more games to rebound. Let's hope things start to come together after what seemed like a preseason off for many of the starters. We've been spoiled as fans. I want to be spoiled some more.

Any reference to major league always will get a chuckle out of me.

stockholder's picture

You're right. I think MM and A-rod will start to Rise. The Mini Ha Ha game showed this offense is NOT performing. TT- Well , just don't know where he gets his notions anymore. It's not from the stockholders.

Ibleedgreenmore's picture

If they do not get into Rodgers head its going to be a long season. Its been about 10 games he has played like this. Just look at his passer rating from last year to now it aint pretty.

4thand1's picture

Ok Joboo, I do it myself. I went to the Packers web site and they were talking about fundamentals. F-that, stick yer fundamentals were the sun don't shine. When will one of these pussy reporters ask a question like............Mike, WTF is going on out there? If they stink up the joint this Sunday, I hope the crowd gets ugly.

Tarynfor12's picture

From the words of Buddy Holly.....That'll be the day!!!!!

lecko's picture

Did youl listen to Mikes Monday press conference. They asked such question, what is going on with Aaron. McCarty gave looong answer, talking about 3 minutes and not saying anything. He would make a great politician. But I diidnt hear one word from coach about being accountable for ball security. When Eddie or Sam had one fumble in the past, he vas vocal that this is unexcusable, they were benched for next game. QB1 had 3 fumbles and INT, but not a word from MM. But thats fine with me, but he should be vocal at least in training with his QB

Oppy's picture

He's saying he would have liked to hear Mike McCarthy hold Aaron Rodgers accountable for his horrible display of ball protection in the same way he has publicly reprimanded running backs after not protecting the ball well... he wasn't demanding MM break out team secrets.

Colin_C's picture

In other news, we apparently brought CJ Spiller in for a visit. Thoughts?

Packer_Pete's picture

CJ Spiller is over the hill...

dschwalm's picture

`There`s a rumour TT has been talking to Joe Namath, too

Oppy's picture

My thought is the Packers bring players through the doors at 1225 almost every week to kick tires, but most of the time, no one notices or cares.

4thand1's picture

You still suck.

ray nichkee's picture

They lose by 3 points at a home opener to a division rival with a top defense and they are heading for a top five pick. After two games you are in peak form. You think you are a genious when you say something everyone knows and the rest of what you say is pure cow shit. All of it comes out of your ass, cow.

L's picture

I'll take the over for $150.

Bearmeat's picture

YOU SUCK GO AWAY

L's picture

So is that a Yes?

dschwalm's picture

Hear! Hear!

stockholder's picture

No to a Qb. Yes, you're right about the RBs. Many wanted a RB taken instead of Davis. No to WR. DAvis was drafted. TT bargain shops WR. TT once said that the WR position was the easiest to draft wrong. Boy he said a mouth full there. A - damn. Te - I can't say Cook will stay. I say he will draft a TE before WR in the first. No to OL. Comp pick will be a OL. I say TT will draft a Defensive Lineman again. 2 Rbs , 2 and 3rd rounds. And it's because the draft will go that way.

rdent's picture

A bit early to get into next years draft,besides who knows?TT and or MM might not be there

jeremyjjbrown's picture

"Red Carpet"

I hate it when you are correct.

4thand1's picture

Well, they're not peaking early.

Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

Now that's really funny.

croatpackfan's picture

I would prefer panicking early, because if they not peak at all, they will be panicking late...

dobber's picture

"Nick Perry
Here's hoping that 1) Perry can finally stay healthy for a full season and 2) that he continues playing with the intensity and disruptiveness in both the pass and run game that he's shown these first two weeks."

You forgot: 3) that when he does 1 and 2 and the Packers reward him with a multi-year deal expecting him to be a cornerstone piece for their defense, that he doesn't revert to the injury-plagued player he has been for 4 years.

Packersxiii's picture

Has our play calling forgot what screens and slants were/are ????????

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Hollywood isn't impressed with screens and slants so our QB audibles out of them.

Packersxiii's picture

Ummmm isn't that the whole concept of a slant route to get the receiver into the second level of the loaded box with a single safety left to beat??????? Arent screens used to offset pass rushes???? Defenses dont use those coverages anymore LOL...Idunno i can still see Jennings/Jones running slants , oh and BTW , McCarthy was their coach...lol

Packersxiii's picture

I dunno Desert. Maybe I'm still having nightmares of the 2014 game vs Buffalo. We got 5 wide i think, and Buff was in a press coverage with a single high safety, { NOT 2} and Rodgers hits Boykin on a slant and its off his hands to the Buffalo safety for the pick. That game KO'd us out of the number one seed that year....Go look it up .{ Oh BTW this game really happened, its not Madden where you draw your defenses up} LOL

Packersxiii's picture

Desert, please strike that last line.. I apologize. REAL Packer fans don't assail another REAL Packer fans opinions. We may disagree but never degrade. We are NOT Bear or Viking or Giant fans we are PACKER FANS !!!

Finwiz's picture

Negative Packersxiii....there's no room for the receivers to operate in a stacked box. I was watching the formations the defenses threw at us, they had 8 men in the box most of the time, literally daring us to throw deep, which is what I'm sure they wanted to do, but we couldn't beat the coverage, and when the speedy youngster did, Rodgers didn't see him. Teams know the Packers are lacking speed right now, so it isn't a huge gamble to play man coverage and load the box.

Denise Chanterelle's picture

Excellent analysis Adam. You make it easy for me to follow my team. C'mom AR, get your act together and roll. "It's time", as a former linebacker coach for our team said a few season's back. Get back your magic AR; we need it! Aloha.

oldfart's picture

The most critical need on the faltering packer offense is receiver separation from clinging defenders. Just running good routes isn't going to get it done. Receivers need to fake, confuse and cut off defenders. Need some expert coaching on this.

Finwiz's picture

Geezus, I just watched Adam's replay of the interception in front of Adams....I guess I didn't look at it that closely but good lord HE RAN THAT ROUTE LIKE TOTAL CRAP! What do I mean? Watch it, he ran a classic, what we used to call a 7 route, down 10 yards, fake into the middle and cut to the sidelines. He rounded out his route and didn't make a precise straight angle cut to the sidelines. Adams actually moved himself closer to Wayans by rounding out the route, rather than creating separation. He ran right into the defender! Ugghhh......that's a total boneheaded, unprofessional play and garbage route running. I've seen high school players run a crisper route than that, and I am not exaggerating. Stuff like that will drive a coach nuts. You know, I've notice Cobb isn't a very good route runner either, he rounds off his routes too, and isn't precise with his cuts. Maybe their coaching still stinks, or hasn't sunk in yet, because it's the same thing as last year. Unreal, this route is so glaring, it's shockingly bad!

Point Packer's picture

Davante should play for the Bucks.

DrealynWilliams's picture

Don't forget to mention how poor that pass was. More inside and to make it worse - it floated.

Finwiz's picture

The pass appears to be "BAD" until you watch the entire route and realize ADAMS RAN RIGHT INTO THE GOD DAMN DEFENDER!!! When I saw that I was literally pissed off. That guy has some physical talent but he must be a complete idiot. Go watch the replay...he ran right into the coverage...he did the OPPOSITE OF CREATE SEPARATION! What a joke. I say put that moron on the bench and give 84 or Janis a chance.

Handsback's picture

With all the WRs on the roster...he should be pulled for the next game with Monty.

croatpackfan's picture

Yeah, and all throws were tossed completely precise. Thank God he runs that kind of routes. Can you imagine how many interceprions would be if he was running correctly? At least 3 PI penalties less and 3 interceptoions more...

Curry Rambeau's picture

The offense is in a slight slump. It's a long season. Doom and gloom. This is the best 1-1 team in the NFC north.

carusotrap's picture

Slight slump? 14 games is a slight slump. What would they have to do to be in a significant slump.

7th Rounder's picture

Space Jam Theory: The Monstars stole Rodgers talent. Tom Brady is playing for the Looney Toons and will win his talent back.

Oppy's picture

I was so close to being proud of my Packers fans for finally getting up the courage to question Rodgers' play.. But I see some of you are slipping back into questioning Mike McCarthy's play calling.

Maybe if the QB executed the plays, we'd look more like 2011 or 2014 than what we look like now.

I guarantee Coach isn't calling in a play like "Aaron, drop back, never step up into the pocket, just keep back peddling, whatever you do, don't throw the ball even if there's an open receiver ten yards down field, until you decide to scramble out of the pocket, lock on to one guy deep, and then finally toss the ball off your back foot as you're nearing 6.5 seconds post-snap."

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

You are right, but that doesn´t absolve MM, particularly with regard to a few specific play calls, since some of those involved personnel decisions. Many have given credit to MM for coaching AR into an elite QB, so he also has the responsibility to coach AR now. MM is known as an offensive strategist and QB coach. The former is open to question, but the latter is pretty clearly not being done properly. MM improved Favre in 2006 and 2007; he needs to coach up AR now.

Oppy's picture

It's in that regard that I fear MM has no ability to do so.

It's not a reflection of poor coaching; simply that Rodgers may have become too big for his own britches and won't take coaching any longer- at least, not from the guys who reared him, so to speak.

Much like Favre responded to the new, outside voice of MM, perhaps Rodgers is too close to all involved to respond to the current coaches.

Rodgers may be dangerously close to becoming a coach killer.

croatpackfan's picture

Thegreatreynoldo, I would agree with you that there is some blames on MM, of course, but not on specific play calls. We do not know what play calls MM really call and which were change at LOS by Aaron Rodgers... Well, we may not be sure for that running call with Startks on 4&1, despite Mike McCarthy said he called it. Maybe he tried to cover Aaron, maybe not. Also, I'm sure MM did not call deep shot on 3&1. That was Aaron's decision, I'm sure...

The TKstinator's picture

Regarding playcalling:
How often after a win does anyone ever say "the reason GB won was because of the opposition's horrible playcalling"?
I think not very often, which leads me to believe that playcalling is a very difficult thing to evaluate objectively.
My opinion: we take an entire game, cherry pick the unsuccessful plays, and then say "they should've called something different there" using the full benefit of hindsight. Not hard to do.

Since '61's picture

TK - as I have posted here many times before, play calling is viewed through the lens of the play's results and/or the game's final score. If MM kicked the FG on that 4th and 1 and the Packers still ended up losing we would have a share of posters complaining that MM should have gone for the 1st down. On the previous 3rd and 1, I'm confident that AR changed the play because he saw that he had Jordy on the outside in 1 on 1 coverage and he went for the TD. I wonder how often when criticizing play calling that the critic knows what defense the opponent is in or what AR sees when he comes up to the LOS. Thanks, Since '61

The TKstinator's picture

Since '61:
Same page!
Thanks,
TK

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

It amazes me how Most are ready to bury GB. Rodgers is the reason for the loss?

What amazes me more, is why the opposing team doesn't throw every down including 4th. We have No Secondary, Shields or No Shields.

I've never been on the Rodgers band wagon, but as Poorly as our secondary played, or I should say didn't play, We Damn near won the game.

Put the blame where it belongs, with someone in charge of the defense. Shake up the Good Ole Boy's Club. I've never said this before, but start with TT & what we call a DC. Maybe even bring back A.J. Hawk. He was paid 5 years for nothing.

Quit blaming the Franchise. Be glad you have him. Start by getting corner backs that know what they are doing.

Finally, what's hurting GB is the same thing that's hurt them for the last 20 years, but you don't want to hear it.
LVT

Oppy's picture

Yes, Damarius Randall, forced into playing in place of Sam Shields, got worked all night.

However, I'm not placing blame on "someone in charge of the defense" that held an NFL team to 17 points on sunday, only giving up 7 in the second half, and who has a Run D that is only allowing 1.6 YPC over the first to games. The guy who's in charge of the defense that's currently rated 11th in total defense.. the guy who's in charge of a defense that has been on the uptick over the last 20 or so games, the defense that basically held the team together last season while the offense fell apart.

Love Rodgers. He has to play better. Period.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

Oppy, Come on. Holding Minn to 17 Pt's is hardly something to brag about. Jacksonvilleis nothing to brag about either.
I agree with you, Rodgers hasn't been playing the way we're use to seeing. He doesn't have the weapons he had either. IMO there is plenty of blame to go around, but it starts with our defense. It hasn't changed in 5 years. We cannot defend against the pass, & our tackling is poor. That has to fall on someone other than AR. Once again, I agree, Rodgers needs to Play better & when you get paid $20+ Million a year, you should get more than your share of the blame. The fact is, as poorly as He may have played, without the 4th quarter fumble, We Win The Game.
LVT

Oppy's picture

The Packers still have plenty of weapons on offense, and still had plenty of open options to throw to, and Rodgers held the ball, and often missed his targets.

When the Packers hold a team to less than 20, the Packers need to win the game. QB play was seriously lacking all night long. Rodgers has been making poor decisions and poor throws for almost a year now, while the defense has generally been putting the Packers in position to win games.

Rodgers really, really needs to get back to being Rodgers. Yes, the pass D needs to shape up, but in general, this defense has been holding up its end of the donkey for the last year plus.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

Oppy, I don't disagree with you for the most part. I said the week before we need to score more than 27 pt's a game. Absolutely, when you hold any team under 20 pt's, & you have a QB that earns $20+ Million a year, we need to win that game.

Yes, Rodgers had a rare fumble & INT that cost us the game. He also scored a touchdown by being Rodgers. We should have won, but we didn't. I guess I could put most of the blame on Rodgers. He makes the Big Bucks & has won us more than a few games that we should have lost.

This was a tough 2ond game on the road for GB, & as much as I hoped for a win, I posted the opposite. Yes, if AR plays like AR, No Question we win that game, so that's on him.

I guess I'm from the old school that Defense Wins Championships. As good as AR can be, he needs some help. He didn't get it the other night. Shit Happens, but our Corners in my opinion are Terrible.
LVT

croatpackfan's picture

No, against Vikings O needed to score 18, not more than that. 27 will put the game out of reach way, way earlier!
It is not we blame Aaron Rodgers for loss. Team win, team lose. We are blaming him for poor play: 1) keepeing the ball in his hand careless, 2) keeping the ball in his hands to long with no real reason, 3) for underthrowing to his WR/TE, 4) for overthrowing to his WR/TE/RB, 5) for throwing the ball behind WR/TE/RB, 5) for trying to cheat/outsmart opponents D on every snap which helps opponent D to react faster at ball snap, 6) for bad throwing mechanics, 7) for unnecessary dancing in the pocket etc. Feel free to add number 8) and further...
And, what is the largest problem, all of that we saw 14 games in the row...
So, it is not Aaron had one bad game. It became rule, not excess....

Tundraboy's picture

(8) For making some of the worst throws he has ever made, all in one game.

GVPacker's picture

I agree with you but having Burnett and Clinton Dix playing closer to the line to keep Adrian Peterson in check sure helped Diggs have his way with Randle. Randle needed help out there! Roger's turnovers hurt the most!

croatpackfan's picture

His name is not Randle, his name is Damarious Randall. Thank you, GBPucker

MarkinMadison's picture

I think Adam put it perfectly. It's been over a year since we've seen a top-10 offense. This is still a team built around the idea that it has a Pro Bowl QB to win games. #12 has to start playing like it. It's not that they CAN'T turn it around at this stage (which is why bovine intelligence doesn't cut it), but they need to prove it.

GVPacker's picture

Ted Thompson why did you CUT Jon Ryan!

croatpackfan's picture

Who is Jon Ryan?

Since '61's picture

He was GB punter up to the 2008 season and he was better than any we have had since then. Thanks, Since '61

jeremyjjbrown's picture

He's better now. When we had him he was not good.

GVPacker's picture

Gotta give the Defense Extra Credit! This horrible offense and and an inept punter are making it even harder for them to do their job but they are stepping up to the challenge!

pilot67's picture

I hear Tebow is in Triple A now. He might get weekends off.

lucky953's picture

Well put Adam. This is a tough pill to swallow, but this offense is a shell of what it used to be. I was shocked to read it had been 14 games since Rodgers had a rating over 100. They've lost their way. Maybe they can find their way back.....whew, that was ugly to watch from the offense. When the announcers were talking about how Rodgers practices all these off-balance throws, I was thinking "maybe he needs to practice setting his feet and stepping into a throw for a change"

Dancing Eddy's picture

My take on things over the last 15 game s or so:
1)Lacy dances too much, been waiting for them to coach him out of this, not happening.
2)Lacy hits the hole slowly, often it is closing when he get there, very rarely if at all do you see the Packers with a large hole to run through.
3)McCarthy is far too predictable, my son has been serious fan only a few years and he was able to predict the play calls- an opposing DC will KNOW.
4)Packers rarely if ever run wide, and rarely to wide side of hash marks.
5)Team lacks speed in all areas on offense.
6)In every aspect of life, an extreme position is usually bad, EVERYBODY accepts compromise in life, from congress on down. TT is extreme. I like draft and develop, and i believe TT is a good GM, but you must have balance to a degree, TT refuses to compromise his extreme position.
7) they have , what , 20 million in cap space they are saving???, for what? That is an extreme position.
8) McCarthy does not adapt or plan well for adversity.
This is not just because they lost to VIKEs. They looked exactly the same and I never bought the idea that Jordy's absence last year was the reason 2015 went like it did.

Icebowler's picture

Hey Aaron, R-E-L-A-X !!!

Handsback's picture

Nobody on this site can say one way or the other why Rodgers isn't playing better. He needs to play better and become consistent. The first week, he didn't look at some of the open receivers and forced some throws into Nelson. I understand that, but Sunday night was different. It was 4+ minutes to go and the perfect opportunity to get a 4th qtr comeback win. You could tell two things in that drive:
First was the Vikes weren't backing down.
Second was Rodger's expression.
I can't go and check out every expression he has ever had and compare, but I've seen that look on other athletes, business deals, and my own kids. It was a look of question (how am I going to do this) vs. confidence (I'm cutting your heart out with this dull butter knife).
So you have the most talented QB in the league and he's broken. Who's to blame and who's going to get him back on that horse? It could be Rodgers is just in a slump and can get himself out. I don't know, but I have the feeling that the coaches are like ducks right now....calm that we see above the water and paddling like crazy below the water line.

MarkinMadison's picture

I blame Olivia Munn.

Okay, I don't really blame Olivia Munn.

I blame Aaron Rodgers for dating Olivia Munn.

Okay, I don't really blame Rodgers for dating Munn.

Somethings wrong here. Maybe Rodgers should dump Munn. Then I can date her for a while and see if my work product goes to shit. Then we'd know. We'd have scientific proof that dating Olivia Munn makes your work product go to shit.

Sounds like a plan to me.

Golden Retriever's picture

All kidding aside, Rodgers' estrangement from his family (caused by their supposed dislike of OM) can't be helping him any.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

+100

Denise Chanterelle's picture

Let's see what happens this Sunday. GB can do this. Cheers.

Crackerpacker's picture

For what it' worth my view is the playbook is far too complicated. Nobody seems to know what they are doing. They need to take a hatchet to it urgently, And make it a lot simpler you may even see Janis on the field a bit more.

fthisJack's picture

you know guys, when you say only 17 points.......realize that Bradford has only been a viking for what 2 weeks and he ate AR lunch. this Viking O is no juggernaut. they are 1 dimensional and should probably not have scored at all against a good defense with a good DC. couldn't keep 1 receiver from beating them, reminds me of the Arizona game where they had no answer for Bolden. how bout Seattle and Baldwin? the list goes on. need a shake up in the coaching staff in my opinion.

not to say that scoring 14 points is good enough but in this case it should have been. what the Hell happened to AR? he is the worst QB in the league right now. he overthrew 2 wide open receivers early that would have been TDs. he needs a serious kick in the ass. and you have fifty WR, so why not platoon them if the guys aren't getting open. Abbredaris not playing is really a head scratcher. and not throwing to Cook is evn more mind boggling. Monty anyone?

i'm frustrated as hell and i'm not going to take it anymore.

Finwiz's picture

Right Fthis, I get your frustration, and ultimately it boils down to defensive breakdowns, even as well as the front seven played at times. It has been characteristic of Capers defenses to suffer significant lapses in coverage on multiple occasions throughout games. They give up too many explosive plays that have to be a result of scheme that's too complicated for players to understand or execute. I don't expect we will see any significant offensive or defensive coaching changes with MM at the helm. He is stuck on the guys he has, even though it would have made a lot of sense to bring back Joe Philbin to run the offense, and let go of Capers in the offseason. Let's face it, ultimately it was the defense that wasn't capable of holding MN to four points less than they scored, that led to the loss. MN defense was better than ours, and I honestly don't believe it was all personnel. They had that rookie cornerbacks head spinning and should have continued to exploit that by continuing to run Jordy at him. The mistake was thinking it was a mismatch with Devonte against Wayans, but we played right into their scheme by putting our most unreliable receiver against him, negating the weakness in match up. It isn't so much the fact we lost, it's the way we lost that bothers me the most. Fumbles and interceptions against any team will lead to a loss.

Oppy's picture

"ultimately it boils down to defensive breakdowns"....

..."it's the way we lost that bothers me the most. Fumbles and interceptions against any team will lead to a loss."

Fumbles and Interceptions are offensive problems, not defensive breakdowns.

Can you please rectify your position for me? I'm completely confused.

oldfart's picture

I BELIEVE A. ROGERS HAS LOST CONFIDENCE IN MM'S PLAY CALLING. HE LOOKS LIKE HE HAS DOUBTS THE CALLS WILL WORK BUT DOES THEM ANYWAY. NOT VERY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT SUCCESS . ALONG WITH THIS ROGERS DOES NOT LOOK LIKE HE IS READY TO PLAY AT A TOP LEVEL. IF MM CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE RECEIVERS FREE FROM TIGHT COVERAGE THINGS COULD TURN AROUND REAL FAST. ROGERS OTIMISM RETURNS, MORE SUCCESS.

The TKstinator's picture

i can't hear you, please speak up.
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The TKstinator's picture

Double post.
Next time I'll try for a triple, but I don't often hit to right field and my speed isn't what it used to be.

mcduff67's picture

for every downside, comes an "up-side" 2 games does not make a season. R-E-L-A-X- until time reveals this team is on decline. Many years of this franchise have come & gone. We have to give them the benefit of the doubt. Another hopeless start will become a success by seasons end.

rdent's picture

Looking through green and gold glasses, I can see the optimism of your post,unfortunetly this is a continuation of 2015

Since '61's picture

This offense is built around the QB position. It is difficult to judge the rest of the offense when the QB is playing as poorly as AR has been. His play causes other players to try to do more in an effort to pick him up. In that situation mistakes just get compounded and everything looks bad. Get Rodgers back on track and the rest of the offense will follow. One thing to do is get Rodgers back to throwing to the open receiver (accurately) rather than chucking the ball deep hoping for either a miraculous completion or a DPI, which he did get in Minnesota prior to the first TD. However, playing for penalties at the LOS or in the passing game is a pathetic way to try to move the offense and win the game. But it is looking like that is what the Packers offense is reduced to. Why, is the question and when does MM do something about it? Thanks, Since '61

Finwiz's picture

I think we watch the Packers offense struggle each week and expect changes to be made, yet none are forthcoming. This all sounds somewhat like the definition of insanity. MM believe in his system, to a fault IMO, and I don't expect any big changes coming. I still don't understand what in gods name they are hoping to accomplish by snapping the ball on every play with 1 second on the clock. How does that add up to more plays when you take so long between them? I fully expect this game against Detroit will be the same type of struggle we've seen in the past few years, with defensives lapses in coverage and mental breakdowns with receivers running wide open at least 1 or 2 times per drive, at critical moments. My guess is MM leans on Capers to fix the breakdowns and old Dom is quite skilled at convincing him the fault is ALL failure in player execution, and nothing to do with scheme, and of course McCarthy buys into that. It's becoming a joke. But if 50-60% of the fan base is fine with 10-6 and a 1st or 2nd round exit in the playoffs, then where's the incentive to change? Go ask the Patriots if they are satisfied with that level of success. I'm envious of what Bellichick does in NE. That's a successful organization.

Pack204's picture

I read an article outlining the technical flaws of the packers offense. Not sure how accurate it is but could provide a good breakdown of some of the issues we are talking about. They basically go into detail how Rodgers is a "second phase qb" and is a master of the broken play, while McCarthy likes to employ a timing "west coast" offense. At some point the constant scrambling becomes too taxing on the offense to sustain over a long period of time. I think dating back to last year in the Denver game we have started to see this happen. I also think as Rodgers career has evolved he started to get away from fundamentals as a QB and trusting the offense and too reliant on the scramble. My favorite throw of Rodgers career was in the Super Bowl when he hit Greg Jennings in the 4th quarter on that seam pass on third down to keep the sticks moving. He stepped up and ripped a laser right on point and in-stride to Jennings. That was a throw that maybe not anyone on the planet would've been able to make. If I was Aaron I would be going back to that yr in the playoffs and watching my technique trying to get back to that form!

Oppy's picture

If I could, I would compel every Packers fan to go back and watch older tape of Aaron Rodgers, and immediately come back to watch current film of Aaron Rodgers. It should be very obvious that Rodgers' play has taken a serious change for the worse. What caused it? Don't know. But he is NOT playing QB the way he has in the past, and he is NOT executing the offense as it has been executed in the past.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

Oppy, I'll try to answer that. It's pretty simple to me.

#1 AR was handed probably the Best core of WR's ever assembled. (The Fab 5)

#2 While in my opinion, he never had a Great Defense, the defense was Better over all than today, with guy's like Bishop for 1, Without who we wouldn't have the 1 SB that we got with Rodgers.

#3 I believe he's 8 yr's older with an offence that has yet to replace Clifton, & Tauscher

I could on, but if you add those 3 things up, that might account for a Drop Off in play.

Favre & Brady might be exceptions to the rule, but one's Prime is usually considered to be around 29, not 32.

I've said this before. Favre was capable of carrying a team. He did it with a lot less than AR has. That you can maybe argue with, but I never thought AR, as good as he is, can carry a team by himself. He needs help, & last year played with a make shift line, & nothing much has changed this year.

You are correct. The defense played very well last year when we needed it. That is not happening this year. Like I said in an earlier post:

"I'm surprised the opposing team doesn't throw every down, including 4th down.

We had a 40 pt offense in 2011. We don't have that anymore.
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Oppy's picture

Don't you think Rodgers and this offense should be able to muster 20?

I don't think that's unrealistic.

I also don't think it's unrealistic for him to get the ball out on time, or throw the ball with a little more accuracy than he has.

Oline has played just fine. Defense held the other team to 17 points. That's more than most NFL teams get from their defense week to week.

You're right, we don't have a 40 pt offense anymore (although we did have the highest rated offense in 2014 with pretty much the same talent on offense). But that's not the defenses' fault. Or the Oline.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

Oppy, I agreed with everything you said here yesterday. I was trying to show why Rodgers is not the same as he was a few years ago. Surely you would agree everyone loses something as he gets older. AR is still a great player, but he is going to make mistakes today that he wouldn't have made a couple of years ago.

Yes, I'll say it again. We should win every game when the opposing team scores 20 or less. Yes, as I agreed with you, If our QB makes $20 million+ a year, he gets more than his share of the blame.

Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned the defense as much as I did, but the fact remains, that AR will have more of these games as he gets older every year. I don't see him getting better when he gets to the end of his career, as Favre did.

I still believe, because of AR's age, we're going to have to accept winning & losing more as a team, than we have in the past.

One more thing: I said this last year. I don't have a clue as to what TT is or has been thinking, but WE CANNOT DRAFT our way into our next SB.
Last year Cleveland was shopping Joe Thomas. We need Play Makers. You don't get those by drafting #30. I would have mortgaged the farm this year for a SB. IMO, I think the window is 1 or 2 years.
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lebowski's picture

We lose one wide receiver and the entire offense spirals into a season-long funk. Patriots playing with their third QB in three games, a rookie no less, against a very good defense, missed their second most-valuable player for a couple games, as well as starting O-linemen, and they just get it done. Sick of the excuses with this team.

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