Packers Snap Counts Versus The Vikings: Week Eleven

The Packers lost a close game to the Vikings.  Football is a game of inches with this game being decided by some close individual plays.

 

The Packers elevated Juwann Winfree from the Practice Squad.  The players listed as inactive were Allen Lazard, Rashan Gary, David Bakhtiari, Malik Taylor (all due to injury), plus two healthy scratches, Jack Heflin and Vernon Scott.  Dennis Kelly and Jake Hanson were active but did not play. 

 

Player Snaps % STs
Runyan 59 100 6 - 21%
Patrick 59 100 6 - 21%
Newman 59 100 2 - 7%
Turner 59 100  
Jenkins 49 83 4 - 14%
Nijman 10 17 6 - 21%
       
Rodgers 58 98  
Love 1 2  
       
Dillon 44 75  
Taylor 15 25  
       
Deguara 27 46 2 - 7%
Lewis 17 29  
Dafney 16 27  
Davis 3 5 22 - 79%
       
Adams 52 88  
Valdes-Scantling 48 81  
Cobb 45 76  
St. Brown 21 36 16 - 57%
Winfree 6 10 1 - 4%
Am. Rodgers 1 2 9 - 32%
       

 

 

The story of the first half is the poor situations the offense put themselves into on their first downs.  Some of the issues were penalties on the line, ineffectiveness at run blocking and a consequent disinclination to run the ball, and some difficulties passing the ball.  The running backs gained 31 yards on 9 carries in the first half.  Aaron Rodgers completed 13 of 22 passes in the first half for 188 yards, but had multiple throwaways.  Whether receivers did not get open, Rodgers was inaccurate, or he decided to pass up chain-moving passes for deeper stuff would require watching All-22.  I thought he generally had time to throw the ball.  I looked at the first half drives individually in the table below (P = Pass; R = Run; NP = Penalty; FG = Field Goal):

 

Poss #                    
1 1/10P 1/10P 2/10P 3/8P 4/8FG          
2 1/10R 2/6P 1/10P 2/6P 1/10R 2/9P 3/9NP 3/14P 3/9P 4/17Punt
3 1/10R 2/5P 3/2P 1/10NP 1/15P 2/15P 3/12P 1/10R 2/8P 1/10R
3 Cont. 2/9P 3/9P 4/9FG No good            
4 1/10P 1/20R 2/20P 3/20R 4/9Punt          
5 1/10P 1/10NP 1/20P 2/20P 3/8P 1/10R 2/8P 1/10R 2/5P 3/5P TD

Possession one featured a 37-yard completion to Davante Adams followed by 3 passes, two of which were incomplete.  Crosby made a 54-yard field goal.  The second possession looked more normal.  After gaining two first downs, a 1-yard run by Patrick Taylor left 2nd and 9.  A false start was followed by defensive offsides, with an incompletion and a sack resulting in a punt. 

Possession 3 featured another false start which was overcome by virtue of a 39-yard completion to Valdes-Scantling.  A five yard run was followed by runs for 2 and 1 yards, resulting in difficult down and distance situations.  Crosby missed an easy 32-yard field goal. 

Possession 4 started with a pass but Turner was called for holding, moving the Packers back to their own 15 yard line.  A run up the middle on 1st and 20 went no where (0 yards), which I found disheartening.  After an incompletion, LaFleur elected to run Dillon up the middle against a prevent defense for 11 yards, presumably to gain field position.  That worked, as Dillon reached the Green Bay 26 and Bojorquez blasted a 58-yard punt to the Vikings' 16 yard line.  Minnesota muffed the punt and the returner was tackled at the 12.  I do not really even mentally count Dillon's 11-yard run in his statistics.

Possession 5 started with a nice pass to St. Brown during which he showed some dynamism by turning a short pass into 17 yards.  Turner was called for his second penalty, illegal hands to the face on the next play.  After an incompletion, passes for 12 and 15 yards to Deguara and Cobb, respectively, the Packers converted the first down.  A 2-yard run and an 8-yard pass to Dafney resulted in another first down.  A 5-yard run, an incompletion and a very precise 25-yard pass to Deguara on a scramble drill resulted in a touchdown.   

The Packers had three possessions in the second half, all of which ended in touchdowns.  The Packers ran the ball very well in the second half: I counted 8 runs with the shortest being 4 yards.  The running backs gained 33 yards on 6 carries with St. Brown carrying once for 11 yards and Rodgers scrambling for 18 yards.  They had an almost 5 minute, 8 play, touchdown drive.  The Packers overcame a first and twenty after a holding call on Elgton Jenkins.  The Packers followed up with a 7 minute, 12 play, touchdown drive during which they erased a 2nd and 15 with passes to Dillon and Adams.  Their final possession was a 1 play, 75 yard touchdown pass to Valdes Scantling.

The Packers seemed to want to get the ball to Davante Adams as their do-it-all receivers and to Valdes-Scantling as the deep threat.  Adams caught 2 of 3 passes for 44 yards and Valdes-Scantling caught 2 of 8 targets for 45 yards.  Randall Cobb has contributed this year but recently he has received a lot of snaps without providing a lot of production.  Amari Rodgers only managed to get on the field as a receiver for one play.  Aaron Rodgers finished with a passer rating of 148.4 and the team scored 31 points (not including the chip shot field goal Crosby missed).  The Packers continue to play a lot of eleven personnel, this time by playing 2.97 wide receivers per play, on average.  Lewis left the field for a time but he returned.

 

Player Snaps % STs
Amos 70 100  
Savage 70 100  
Stokes 63 90  
Douglas 54 77 14 - 50%
Sullivan 41 59  
King 26 37 1 - 4%
Black 10 14 21 - 75%
Yiadom     22-79%
Jean-Charles     20 - 71%
       
Campbell 70 100  
P. Smith 53 76  
Barnes 37 53 13 - 46%
Galeia 36 51 1 - 4%
Garvin 34 49 5 - 18%
Burks 18 26 22 - 79%
Summers     22 - 79%
McDuffie     14 - 50%
Hamilton     1 - 4
       
Clark 61 87  
Lowry 50 71 11 - 39%
Keke 35 50 5 - 18%
Lancaster 25 36 12 - 43%
Slaton 17 24 12 - 43%

 

The defensive line was stout, particularly in the first half when the Packers limited the Vikings to 21 yards on 12 carries (1.8 yards/carry).  The Vikings finished with 90 yards on 29 carries, a 3.1 yard average.  Tyler Lancaster had two tackles for loss and Kenny Clark blew up a few more runs.  The line exerted decent pressure overall.  

Preston Smith had a fine day with 6 tackles (4 solo), 2 tackles for loss, 3 quarterback hits, 2 sacks and a forced fumble.  He was a force.  I did not know what to expect from Tipa Gileai but I was pleased with his performance (grading on a curve).  The NFL did not seem too big for him and one can see why the Packers like him.  Gileai finished with 3 tackles (2 solo).  That said, he and Garvin (1 assisted tackle) did not provide enough pressure.  Given the performance of the defensive line and Preston Smith, it would not have taken much to tip the scales.  The Packers were so close to forcing Cousins into making the kinds of mistakes for which he is known.  DeVondre Campbell led the Packers with 7 tackles (6 solo) and also had two quarterback hits, at least one of which was on a nice "A" gap blitz. 

The secondary had more problems with assignments than they did against Seahawks.  [For a nice breakdown of the defense in the Seahawks game, watch this fascinating film breakdown by Coach Vasseur and Justis Mosqueda.]  Too often a back failed to carry a vertical route or failed to make the appropriate switch.  At least a couple of Justin Jefferson's big plays were off of assignment errors or just good scheming by their offensive coordinator. 

Darnell Savage tied with Campbell for the lead in tackles with 7 (6 solo) and added 2 passes defensed.  He had a third PD/interception erased by a roughing the passer penalty on Kingsley Keke.  All three could have led to interceptions, though on one opportunity the receiver did a nice job of playing defense by knocking the ball away from Savage.  It is interesting that Douglas continues to get twice as many snaps as Kevin King.  Douglas gambled on making what would probably have been a game winning interception but instead Adam Thielen caught the pass for 26 yards on first and 10 from the Green Bay 45 with 1:33 seconds left in the game.

The Packers played a lot of true defensive linemen in this game.  It appears as though the plan was to stymie Dalvin Cook and make Cousins (and by extension, Justin Jefferson and Adam Thielen) beat them if they could. 

WR: 2.93

TE: 1.07

RB: 1.00

DL: 2.69

ILB: 1.79

OLB: 1.76

DB: 4.77

 

 

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 22, 2021 at 06:20 am

I thought Nijman played okay. Bummed about Elgton Jenkins. GB has the to it all WR and the deep threat, but it needs more than 1 reception for 15 yards from Cobb (though that was an important catch to erase a first and 20, and he had the option to St. Brown IIRC). St. Brown provided a pleasant spark for the Packers. Interesting that LaFleur has gone to only 11 personnel - I guess that's what's left given the OL and TE injuries.

I thought the defense was close. They were off in their assignments. In that Coach Vass video, skip the first 6 minutes. It is three hours long: I watched all of it but that's because I was home sick. Coach Vass notes how wonderfully well the DBs switched and communicated and executed the scheme in the Seahawks game. He also notes that Barnes is a little iffy, but also notes that the scheme sometimes makes him responsible for dual gaps in the run game. I saw Stokes in what looked like a match up zone fail to carry Jefferson deep, instead settling in the intermediate zone outside the numbers, but he was covering no one. Vikings really only have Jefferson and Thielen with Irv Smith out.

I didn't really have much problem with the officiating. There were some that got called against GB that aren't always called, perhaps, but overall it was just the NFL's usual ineptness and refusal to pay for full-time refs (though I am not sure that would really solve things).

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LLCHESTY's picture

November 22, 2021 at 07:06 am

I watched that Coach Vass video and found it informative, although he does like to go off topic quite a bit. I usually focus more on line play but I did notice they had a couple of mix ups on passing receivers off after he gave them kudos for it against the Seahawks. I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure at least one of the flubs was on King. He also picked up on Barnes struggles pretty early in the video and he had his struggles again today. I keep thinking maybe we'll see McDuffie one of these weeks. He seemed pretty instinctive in the snaps he got in preseason so I wonder if he's just not assignment sure at this point.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 23, 2021 at 11:16 am

The League did broach the payment issue to the refs, but they told New York to pound sand. Most of the refs have full time jobs that go well into six figures. And we all know that there is no way the NFL will comp these guys close to their full time jobs. (Of course knowing the league, they will go full video sideline to sideline and cut down on the game crews claiming that their New York 'sky guys' can do a better job after all...)

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flackcatcher's picture

November 23, 2021 at 12:14 pm

In case I forgot. Outstanding breakdown TGR. As you showed, Lafleur's choices are becoming limited on both sides of the ball. Losing your entire left starting offensive side of the ball. Man oh man...

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murf7777's picture

November 22, 2021 at 06:23 am

TGR, thanks again for taking the time to put this out to us so quickly. I’m always eager to read this article. You also have very good insight of the game within a game.

Our Packer team ran into a pretty decent team, who was desperate to win and playing in their loud stadium. Not unlike what they had against KC. They fought hard and came up a bit short. I wasn’t surprised by a 3 point loss. I’m proud of this team, there isn’t any give with them, they keep trying and playing hard. GPG

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 22, 2021 at 06:43 am

Okay, I thought this was both funny and infomative, assuming it is accurate. Thanks, LLChesty.

https://twitter.com/NathanFunke/status/1462509914945904647?t=cU8uSI6FYxN...

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LLCHESTY's picture

November 22, 2021 at 07:15 am

No problem. I also thought this is a pretty wild stat for Rodgers.
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1462406440715317250?t=eZPOc3X9Anio...

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edp1959's picture

November 22, 2021 at 06:44 am

Ahh...what's the matter can't admit that Rodgers gave the Packers a chance to win twice and the defense blew it both times. Hilarious!!!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 22, 2021 at 06:56 am

I might be AR's biggest supporter on the blogs, although I grant that you might be first in that category. I specifically mentioned his passer rating in the first half and for the game. I am sure there were some checkdowns available, but one has to go back and look to see where the progressions are and if there is a throwing lane for them. I thought his accuracy percentage was fine in this game, and that pass to Deguara for the TD was precise and thrown on the run. Without All 22, I can't address that assertions that if only AR would take what's given.

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dobber's picture

November 22, 2021 at 07:32 am

Bottom line is if you score 31, you should win.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 22, 2021 at 07:49 am

I'd extend AR. I gather you've wearied of AR. I think it is cheaper to sign an elite QB than to pay all the pieces one needs for an excellent offense.

I can't get this to link up so I am eliminating the http stuff.

overthecap.com/salary-cap-spending-on-qbs-since-2019/

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dobber's picture

November 22, 2021 at 08:27 am

Ya know, I understand the desire to keep #12. I think there's damage that's been done that can't be undone, but that's just me.

You're right: the cap is a zero sum game, and propping up a lesser QB could be awfully pricey. In the end, I think that there are going to be enough players and contracts stripped away this off-season that this team isn't a SB contender in 2022, and maybe not 2023, even with ARod--and by that point, his cap hits will definitely be starting to climb again. The old "ARod makes a team a SB contender all by himself" has pretty much gone by the wayside...and we are seeing those initial signs of his decline.

My position has been more "ARod the commodity". If ARod balls out here the last half of the year, his value will be as high as it ever will be, even if he's shown poorly personally over the last month or so. There are several teams out there with pretty good rosters, and GMs/HCs feeling their seats getting warm. He's worth more for what he brings back to the Packers in trade, young players, and growth pieces than what he can do on the field in 2022 and 23...after which his trade value is likely to have severely diminished and all you really get are memories, and a team that had to struggle with the cap implications of his deal.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 22, 2021 at 09:03 am

I have been working on how the Packers might comply with the 2022 cap. It looked ugly.

So, you have a pretty good point.

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Coldworld's picture

November 22, 2021 at 10:56 am

I think AR is done or the team around him is. There’s no viable way to continue this group into the future. Emotion aside, it’s just coming. I understand the desire, but Rodgers plus nothing much was the failed legacy of the late era TT decline. This time we don’t have 5 years to fix it. The reality is that’s no platform to rebuild this time.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 23, 2021 at 12:00 pm

After running the Cap numbers this off season, I got really depressed knowing that this was the end for this Packer roster. Gute confirmed this when he went 'all in' on roster signings. My heart is with both TGR and '61 on signing Rodgers, always has been. But we all know Covid killed any real last chance to keep Rodgers, or other key vets like the Smiths. And the Commie Virus has played havoc with the Cap across the entire league, and we have not even seen the bow wave yet. 2022-2023 may be the best possible outcome. Gee thanks guys, now I'm even more depressed. Go Pack Go...

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 22, 2021 at 06:49 am

Oh, and the photo is supposed to indicate my opinion that 15 carries for the running backs is not enough. Practically ever, even if the running game isn't going well.

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Coldworld's picture

November 22, 2021 at 10:57 am

Getting down that far is probably more significant than the success of the run game, particularly with a Dillon type RB 1, where success increases with wear on the D.

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dobber's picture

November 22, 2021 at 07:36 am

I think the DL snaps are pretty much in line with what you said: down Gary, they went with DL as that was their next best player in the scheme. Barry has been true to form, and he likes to go bigger than Pettine or Capers did. Went deeper into the DB rotation than they have in recent weeks.

The answer to no Tonyan, Jones, or Lazard was more 11 personnel, with the Packers giving Dafney some FB snaps. I give ESB credit for starting to look like he belongs.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 23, 2021 at 11:43 am

This is Lafleur's preferred base formation. But it takes a more measured play-action with a far more commitment to the run game. The downside is the loss of splash plays with losing a WR in the slot. Still, this grouping was very effective in the second half. Once again MVS tilts the field by just being there. The Packers have as we saw once again, no replacement for him. Going heavy was a no choice move for Barry etc. They ran out of bodies at OLB. Playing out of their normal base did stress both the ILB and force more combo zone than man on the boundaries, which brought more mistakes in the secondary option drops. Frankly, the secondary played out of position all game due the way the coverage was set because of the loss of Gary. He's become that important to the defense as a whole. That ref crew had a bad game. I blame the horn...

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greengold's picture

November 22, 2021 at 10:15 am

STELLAR break down, TGR. Thank you very much for putting this together and sharing.

This ratio of run/pass has remained a constant for most of the last decade. Failing to commit offensively to a more balanced attack is what always gets the Packers in trouble.

It creates high stress situations. When we don't allow our RBs to flourish, trusting them through all 3 downs oftentimes, as you mentioned, "disinclined," to run consistently with a proven, potent set of RBs, it creates high stress situations of your own making. Constant pass rush. Difficult down & distance situations. Every rushing attempt carries more importance to maximize output, adding more difficulty to each infrequent attempt.

It is a domino effect. Offensive linemen become more stressed having to absorb relentless pass rush in pass blocking, rather than teeing off on front 7s and wearing them out. The whole 2:1 or 3:1 pass/run ratio the Packers have allowed/insisted upon forever makes winning games far more difficult than need be.

This Packers team should be having fun, running all over the NFL at will. But, no. We max stressed Aaron Jones by putting him in difficult spots, and he was injured. Gotta let these guys work into a good flow of rushing success with a measure of confidence. Instead, the Packers dis their own high quality players, to over-inflate others, to the detriment of team success.

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 22, 2021 at 10:47 am

Barnes again showed what a liability he is in pass D. He is good at run D, but If I were an opposing QB, I would be looking at Barnes' assigned receiver on passing downs every time. He can't cover anybody.

ESB is finally showing off his skillset....again. He is just made of glass. Couldn't depend on him. It would be tonic for the WR corps if he stayed healthy now.

Hope Deguara is showing he's FINALLY ready to take off....knocked off the rust following the long ACL recovery.

But the gut punch...Jenks. SMH

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greengold's picture

November 22, 2021 at 11:09 am

Barnes is AWFUL in coverage. No way around it. He's a liability v. the passing game. Solid player otherwise.

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 22, 2021 at 11:50 am

Yet Barry and Gray keep putting Barnes in pass D with consistently awful results. That "insanity" definition?

I guess they would say "who do we replace him with...Burks?"

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flackcatcher's picture

November 23, 2021 at 12:07 pm

As long as both P. Smith and Gary were pressing the edge, Barnes became a net plus within 5 yards of the LOS. Campbell covers a lot of ground and covers Barnes negatives at the same time. Sometimes the God of Injury makes the call, and like most teams at this point in the season, all the Packers can do is play on... (Burks. UGH!)

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jont's picture

November 22, 2021 at 01:07 pm

One play for Amari.
This is rough; with injuries to AJones and Tonyan-- when the team really needs him-- the door is really open for him to pick up a few short passes and run in the broken field, but he hasn't earned playing time.
Not every pick works out and it's still early, but this one's turning out to be very disappointing.

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