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Report: Packers will cut guard Josh Sitton if they can’t trade him

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Report: Packers will cut guard Josh Sitton if they can’t trade him

On a day where the bottom of the roster hopefuls are praying they don't get a phone call comes this shocker:

Accoriding to multiple sources, the Packers will release ALL-Pro guardJosh Sitton if he can't be traded. 

This has to be purely a financial move, with all of the OL free agents after this season. Packers knew they couldn't re-sign them all, so they let the oldest of the group go now and save some more money they will need?

Still shocking, though...

So what will the interior OL look like? My guess is Barclay (or Taylor) takes over at guard for Sitton. As soon as Linsley is ready, he takes over the guard spot or center with Tretter going to guard.

Your thoughts?

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  

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KenEllis's picture

Why now? Why not try and trade him earlier?

Letting an All-Pro G go so Don Barclay & Lane Taylor can get on the field?

Ugh.

Chad Toporski's picture

Reports are saying they tried to trade him before the deadline, but no dice...

I don't necessarily understand or agree with the move. After this and the punter swap, I'm starting to question Thompson's state of mind. Just gotta have hope, I suppose...

badaxed's picture

Thompson is an idiot.

The TKstinator's picture

Health, age, finances. Cold business.

DrealynWilliams's picture

True @TK. So true.

But damn.

Ahhh, this sucks -- especially if whoever the replacement will be doesn't play to Sitton's old level or better.

Also, again, this is why I would NEVER question Ted on drafting an OL even if he isn't a Day-1 starter. Who seen this coming?

Tundraboy's picture

Perfectly stated. What now. Who ever thought we would be talking about starting a year with Barclay and Taylor at OG. Bizarre.

al bundy's picture

Here is where Spielman is the master. He would have done this last year and got some picks instead of just, again saying adios.to You spent three four years on a guy who is ready to blossom and your saying goodbye. Spielman got rid of jared allen for picks. He does it all the time.

Idiot Fan's picture

Spielman cut Allen.

Rossonero's picture

He's the "master," as in, giving away a 1st and 4th round pick for an injury prone, mediocre QB like Bradford?

mrtundra's picture

I read that Bridgewater's QB rating was around 92 last season. Bradford's was 41-- 3rd worst in the league.

jasonperone's picture

You mean the same Spielman who just spent a 1 and a 4 on Sam Bradford? Yeah? Mmmk just checking

Oppy's picture

Spent three or four years on (a player) who is ready to blossom?

Uh, Josh Sitton has been a starter for GB for almost 8 years. He "Blossomed" about 5 years ago.

You're not even good at pretending like your a Packers fan.

jmac34's picture

Unless something comes out about an injury or suspension, this may be the single dumbest move in Thompson history as GM. Insane

KenEllis's picture

Nope all about $.

TT is all about staying way under the cap and staying young.

KenEllis's picture

We got younger & cheaper, it is TT's way.

You cannot really be satisfied with Don Barclay and Lane Taylor (whom TT gave a big contract to this offseason) at G this season, can you?

Mags's picture

I guess we will take your word that he will get worse. You must be a doctor or something.

Samson's picture

You must own a pair of "TT Shorts". SB is the idea. It's gets more difficult without an all-pro guard, ya think?

Nick Perry's picture

Yup, this is ALL about the Benjamin's. Sitton will only count $300,000.00 against the Cap by cutting him in dead cap space. Sitton was on ESPN saying for the first time in years he was able to practice and be active in TC, more so than the last several years. He looked pretty good in the preseason too so it HAS to be money doesn't it?

This is really a downer, hope Thompson has a player in mind OTHER than whats on his roster because the O-Line just took a huge hit.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

This has to be the single dumbest move by a GM in many a year. Makes the Viking's trade of a 1st and 4th for Sam Bradford look like genius. I'd live with Cow being on the site if Sitton were lining up at guard for us.

TT lost his mind today, unless Sitton was very untruthful.

KenEllis's picture

Come on Desert, tell us which one of TT's 2 Boys is your favorite to start at guard, Don Barclay or Lane Taylor?

KenEllis's picture

So you're a Lane Taylor fan, fair enough.

I don't think Taylor should be on the roster let alone protecting #12, but I note you're willingness to go on record supporting this move to Lane Taylor.

Amanofthenorth's picture

i am just posting this to see how narrow this thread can go. thinner and thinner cause it's getting older and older.. and then.. you are gone. Just like JS.

Jersey Al's picture

I'll keep it going...

MarkinMadison's picture

One more....

The TKstinator's picture

Uno màs.
Not to be confused with Bruno Mars.

KenEllis's picture

You may not be a Lane Taylor fan, but you sure have advocated that he replace Sitton as the Pack's LG in 2016 while repeatedly praising today's move to cut ol' Josh.

Admire your cajones. Just think you are completely wrong.

Spock's picture

Cow,
If you keep your word and are done with this site (especially after your profanity in today's posts) that, at least, makes the Sitton cut much easier to take. You have done a great job of being the anti-Packer "Packer fan". I, for one, will not miss your negativity. Good luck with your life, I hope you are a better person off this site than on it.
Live long and prosper,
Spock

Clay the 1st's picture

Let's hope this time he keeps his word Spock

Beam him outta here!

Jersey Al's picture

How many times have you been "done" with us? Please make this your last.

Tundraboy's picture

I do not know what shocks me more. The thought of Barclay and Taylor at Guard, Or Cow making a great and and overwhelmingly well liked post.

John Galt III's picture

NFL - "Not For Long"

What got me were the proposed rosters that didn't keep QB Callahan. With Hundley injured who did these folks think was going to replace No 12?

I said there were going to be surprises. I think there will be more.

marpag1's picture

I saw the report from Demovsky... Hard to imagine. If they really want to trade him, fine. But if they can't get a reasonable offer, why not just let him play out his contract? I know he's making 6M, but even so....

I could understand the trade if they get a decent D-lineman...

Oppy's picture

I am not thrilled with the release of sitton, I think he's our best lineman on the OL even when not playing at 100%. with that being said, demovsky seems to imply that cutting loose sitton now does free up more money for the resigning of all the other o linemen on the roster than if they waited for sitton to play out the season.

We all knew going in that we were looking at three or four starting OL Contracts expiring after this season. This move tells me they aren't planning on letting most of them test free agency and they need some space to deal mid-season.

Lastly, I can't help but think TT decided to release Josh Sitton right now out of RESPECT for sitton. I could see them having made the decision he was odd man out for contracts next year, and knowing he's not a spring chick and that he's in great shape -right now-, TT decided to let josh move on to a team that may grant him a multi-year deal.

Long term, I believe the decision for Cory Lindsley to take over Sitton's position was made during camp, even though he was injured, hence the tretter 'promotion' to starting center. Short term, I sure hope whoever fills in at LG is up to the task and doesn't miss a beat.

I bet Aaron Rodgers is absolutely LIVID.

MarkinMadison's picture

Linsley has always been advertised as a C only due to size. More likely Tretter slides over.

MarkinMadison's picture

Linsley has always been advertised as a C only due to size. More likely Tretter slides over.

Oppy's picture

I Disagree with that assesment, who does it come from?

Linsley is a wide brawler much in the mold of TJ Lang. Playing in a phone booth is easier when there's less space in the booth.

Tretter is a smaller, athletic center much in the mold of Scott Wells. The packers seem to favor mobile C's with good feet who can get out and win the reach block.

I don't see Tretter as a guard at all, and I could totally see Lindsley punishing DT's in the run game.

Oppy's picture

Yeah, Tretter's athleticism is directly comparable to SCott Wells.

Lindsley's strength and combativeness is directly comparable to TJ Lang.

TJ Lang's athleticism (as well as Sitton's for that matter), not so comparable to Scott Wells or JC Tretter.

Lastly, if JC Tretter is better suited to Guard play, and not in the long term picture at center, how do you explain the Packers going out of their way during training camp, to tell the media that JC Tretter has been appointed the starting center?

-Packers normally tow the company line that you don't lose your spot to injury.

- Packers normally go out of their way to assure the press that starting jobs aren't announced until the regular season begins when people ask about it.

Oppy's picture

What's really looking bad is your reading comprehension skills. Do you know what towing the company line is?

Oppy's picture

if you believe Rodgers isn't ticked off about losing his starting blind side guard, who has been practicing with first team OL all offseason, only eight days before the season opener...

You have no understanding of what makes people tick.

Which would actually explain a lot.

Oppy's picture

Have you ever seen an Aaron Rodgers press conference?

By the way, I'm a couch potato who regularly took out the garbage doing security work on the side for 15 years, while I was moving tens of thousands of pounds of steel by hand every day at my day job.

My back went Josh Sitton on me, and now I "ride pine" in an industrial controls job.

Congrats on having a nice physique. Some of us did other things with our lives than professionally staying in shape.

You are clearly superior to all of us. Tell your insider buddy at ESPN that he needs to start supplying your information faster. This is like the third time you've boasted about your insider info and you were literally hours behind us common mortals.

Oppy's picture

1) Rodgers is a notorious grudge holder. What he says and how he feels are likely two different things.

2) I'm glad you know athletics. Your knowledge of football, however, not nearly as thorough as you like to believe- as proven every time you try to talk about d line play.

I say good day to you sir. I SAY GOOD DAY!

Oppy's picture

Yet another double post.

Oppy's picture

Edit, Double post. Sorry.

Bearmeat's picture

What are they doing? I get not resigning him. He's on the older side. But his play was ok last year. WTH Ted?

L's picture

You saw him playing in the preseason; did he look washed up? Nope. Not sure what Ted's doing, but if I had to venture a guess it's him gambling against the possibility he could get someone to make a move for him now verses off the waiver wire or in free agency in the off-season (aka get max value for him verses watching him walk in the offseason for only a comp pick the following season). If he truly does release him for nothing but cap space... WTF? Better be planning to lockup Tretter and Bahk with extensions that eat available cap this year and make potential room in following years verses what the estimated market would cost the team next year. A forward thinking move, but one that seems costly for this year's championship hopes.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

The trainers know exactly what happened to Sittons back and feet after playing a half and we don't.

BTW - there is no use arguing against monocausal analysis with some folks around there.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Happy to grant that if Sitton's back, etc., is made out of greased lego blocks and he is about to fall apart, then cutting him makes perfect sense. I guess that conservative medical staff that passed him on his physical fooled me.

This is probably better for Sitton financially. He gets to negotiate with all the teams for a multi-year contract now, rather than risk getting hurt, and of course he will be a year younger. It will be interesting to see where Sitton goes, how much he gets, and if the above theory is correct, whether he passes his physical.

Nick Perry's picture

I have a strong, strong feeling he'll go to Seattle. The Seahawks released Evens who was projected to be one of their starting Guard and Thompson just cut their new starter. If this was at all ugly and Thompson has made a habit of parting with some of the better players the Packers have had over the last few years ugly, I'd bet Sitton goes somewhere his new team will have to play the Packers at some point this year. I know I would.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

Nick Perry, Maybe I'm wrong, but I was watching NFL Live the other day, & I thought they said that all players cut would have to go through the teams according to the last draft. Is that right, or can Josh negotiate with any team he wants to??
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marpag1's picture

Maybe I'm stealing Nick's question, but the answer is "It depends on who the player is."

If you have less than four years of experience and you get cut, then you have to go through waivers. This means that teams have 24 hours to put in a claim for you. Any team can claim you, but the order of priority is the 2016 draft order... in other words, the Titans get first dibs on a player, the Superbowl champ Broncos are last. If no team claims the player within 24 hours, then he becomes an unrestricted free agent and can sign with any team.

If a player has more than four years of experience, then he is a "vested veteran" and does not need to go through the waiver process. He is free - immediately - to sign with any team. So Sitton has been free to sign with anyone from the moment he was released.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

marpag1, Thanks for the reply. I did not know that. I wasn't sure how waivers worked. I thought being cut meant you had to clear your own area 1st. Thanks for clearing it up. I wasn't clear on the 4 year rule either.

I don't follow GB out hear, & I only get what is put on TV. Probably a dumb question, but is Bak penciled in at LT. As you said, & I agree, he's a Tough Guy. Any chance he moves to LG, or don't they have a LT??
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LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

DesertPackFan, Can't disagree with anything you said, but what is the marpag? at the end??

The fact is, no matter how you slice it, our best chance for a SB is this year, not 2 or 3 years from now. I still believe we should have at least made a play for Joe Thomas last year. Not sure we could have got him, but to me it would have been worth it for a year or 2. It remains to be seen how our 1 & 2 draft choices pan out. Now we let Sitton go also. Cleveland was shopping him around last year. That would have plugged a big hole this year when we need it.

I've said it before, & I'll say it again. I DO NOT think we can draft our way into our next SB. I personally believe IT'S NOW OR NEVER.

You guy's follow this much closer than I do. Maybe you don't agree with me, but I think the window has shrunk to this year & possibly next. That's It. I don't know if Joe Thomas is available or not, but I would make a play for him if he is.
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Oppy's picture

Losing twenty lbs does amazing things for a person's back, you know this.

Also, this may be the one time that fans think it's all about money, when it's probably actually about money to a great extent.

Packers allowed themselves to get backed into a corner with the OLine after the 2016 season. If they want to keep the unit as intact as possible, they need to resign as many players as possible before FA. That's a lot of pressure to get deals done for valuable commodities. Gonna need $$$$ during the season

Age, health- definitely factors that played into singling out Sitton as the odd man out. But I don't think it was an easy decision to cut a broken man as you make it out to be.

Idiot Fan's picture

He's going to fall into the lap of John Schneider and help fix the only terrible part of that team. Grrr. Must trust Ted....must trust Ted....must trust Ted....

Point Packer's picture

Don Barclay!!!!!!

Guy isn't suited to be in the NFL, let alone start.

Lphill's picture

I just saw a report Barrington being released also.

DrealynWilliams's picture

Same here. Now THIS IS CRAZY. I'm not surprised he's getting cut, but I'm surprised he's getting cut with little to no certainty left.

Tarynfor12's picture

Perhaps they needed the money to get either Trettor, Bak done early. : )

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

Tarynfor12, Could be a Money issue, or an injury issue, but GB has had a long history of not putting Value into the Guard position going back to Ross Verba & the all Pro that went to Carolina, can't remember his name. I've always felt that GB feels that Guards no matter how good, are expendable & replaceable. This may or may not be the case, but it's not the 1st time they've let a Good OG go somewhere else. JMO
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ray nichkee's picture

He did it to mike wahle and marco rivera the same year, TTs first year i think. The rivera move seemed like a good one after the fact.

marpag1's picture

They were both good moves in hindsight, and the Rivera move was an absolute lifesaver.

Verba was a tackle.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

ray nichkee, Mike Wahle was who I was thinking of. From what I remember he might of been the Best OG in the league. If I remember right, he got a $10 million dollar deal from Carolina.Not sure if that was a bonus, but No Way GB was going to pay an OG what he wanted. I thought Verba was a Guard. I guess I was wrong, but he was a Tough lineman here at GB, Maybe the toughest we ever had. I know he got hurt after we got rid of him, but had he been on the team when Sapp hit Clifton. & then jumped Sherman after the game, Verba would have jumped him. As it was no one came to eithers aid. Guard or Tackle, at the time, there was no reason to get rid of him. His contract was up, but he wasn't asking for big money. He was a tough lineman, that we just let go. LVT

marpag1's picture

Actually, LVT I need to make a partial correction.... I was going by memory. Now that I've looked it up, Verba played four years in GB. The first three of those four were at left tackle. That's how I remembered him (first rookie LT to start a Superbowl). According to Pro Football Reference, however, he played the fourth year at left guard. I was not remembering that. My bad.

So you're right that he did spend time at guard.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

marpag1, My memory is not what it used to be. I just remember Ross Verba as being a Tough Character & a Damn Good lineman. I don't have any opinion on the Sitton move. I hope there is a good reason for it. Those are some pretty big shoes to fill, especially when you are picked to win the SB.
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stockholder's picture

Yes he was of good character. Played 4 yrs with the packers. TT let him go to Cleveland for 3 years, and ended up in Detroit for 1.

marpag1's picture

In a way, it's kind of ironic that you mention Verba. In my mind, I've always kind of compared him to Bakhtiari... at least to a certain extent. In my opinion, they are/were both solid and capable starters, but neither one seems extraordinary. I don't think Verba ever made a Pro Bowl or an All Pro team. But that's about where the similarity ends.

Verba was definitely nastier than Bakh and played with a mean streak. A brawler who wouldn't take crap. As time went by, he was not well-loved among his teammates, though, and his sometimes abrasive personality certainly didn't help him with management. Had a rep for being a jackass. He held out for weeks before signing his rookie contract (he was a late first rounder). He had the same unrealistic demands for a primo salary when his rookie deal was up, and that, I think, is why the Packers let him walk. He signed with Cleveland, and the Browns had the same problems with him demanding reworked contracts, etc.

Clay the 1st's picture

Maybe we will see no disagreement here for the first time ever.

This basically ruined my day and outlook for the entire season in a single tweet.

It makes no sense at all.

There isn't even any point discussing the rationale.

I trust Ted but wow this is beyond. He is going to get blasted in press conference today and literally won't blink because he does not appear to have eyelids.

I echo a comment about Seahawks picking him up or in my world the Pats.

I'm born in WI but live in NE and will watch Sitton help New England surpass the Packers in SB TItles.

End rant.
Praying Ted knows something we don't.

Nick Perry's picture

Schneider already has him on a plane or has talked to him on the phone.

jh9's picture

I'm having a difficult time wrapping my head around this one. TT and MM must know something we don't know.

Idiot Fan's picture

Ok, trying to stay positive......maybe they watched him every day in practice and thought, "this guy is breaking down, and isn't one of our two best guards anymore, and if we keep him, we'll have to pay him $6 million and it will be hard to bench him for sucking." Eh? Eh?

WKUPackFan's picture

This has to be the answer. Nothing else makes sense.

Tundraboy's picture

Like they failed to see and act upon in Saturday?

LeagueObsrvr's picture

An interesting quote from Tom Silverstein on his live blog this afternoon:

"It's been floated to me that the Packers might be signing one of their other offensive linemen and decided to part way with Sitton. I haven't confirmed this yet. Lots of rumors out there for why it's being done."

This very surprising move today would make a lot more sense if this is the case.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

They need to pay Linsley and Bahk before the season ends. What else could this be about? There is no other explaination.

LeagueObsrvr's picture

I agree. Maybe we'll see one of or some combination of the pending free agents signed during the season before they get a chance to hit the market, much like they did with Mike Daniels. Personally I'm hoping they give extensions to Lang and Tretter. I can see them letting Bakhtiari walk at seasons end with Jason Spriggs potentially waiting in the wings to replace him. Not that I think Bakhtiari is a bad player, but just that these are the kind of moves that sometimes have to be made to maintain a stable cap structure.

LeagueObsrvr's picture

More from Silverstein:

"I've been told by multiple sources that the Sitton release was contract related, that he was not happy with the Packers waiting on extending his contract while pursuing deals with other players. There must have been some kind of standoff. Sitton is in the final year of his deal and was set to be unrestricted next year."

jh9's picture

The only way this makes sense is if Sitton started bad-mouthing TT and the Packers organization and both TT and MM felt Sitton would be a detrimental locker room presence.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

4th repetitive post.

whitehurst2002's picture

WTF????? Crazy, just way too crazy to even make sense.

Tarynfor12's picture

Seems as Sitton was fine with leaving as the Packers were to let him. Possible locker room cancer being unhappy??????

GVPacker's picture

Stroh you are a GEM Ha Ha LMAO!!!!

jmac34's picture

My guess would be Sitton goes to Miami or another team in Fl as he is from that area. Also doubt he takes a pay cut to go to a contender as he already has a ring

GVPacker's picture

Gonna miss Big Josh! Sitton is a Florida Boy Miami, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville is where he's headed.

Bearmeat's picture

Didn't you say you were "done being a Packer fan?"

Get on with it. I don't have the patience to deal with you today.

Al and Co: Can you PLEASE put a "Bovine filter" button on everyone's preferences?

Tundraboy's picture

Cow. Glad to see your not taking this well! That's the spirit. You're on a roll Keep it up,, need the laughs.

Nick Perry's picture

Clearly Thompson hasn't been watching the 2nd and 3rd string linemen this summer. If Lindsey was healthy then at least their somewhat prepared by putting Tretter at LG.

Bearmeat's picture

I don't buy it. He clearly was descending as a player, but his play was fine this summer. I had pretty much resigned myself to a new LG after this year - as a matter of fact, I think that was the right move. But for 16? For a player that was an all pro who can still play at age 30?

The ONLY way this makes sense is if Sitton was publicly throwing a hissy fit. Or threatened to go public.

Bearmeat's picture

Stroh,

I don't like disagreeing with you because you are such a genius in your own mind that you are impossible to talk to. But I will say this one thing:

Professionalism. If Sitton wanted another deal and a great shot at a ring, it would behoove him to play as well as he could for this ONE year so that he could move on afterwards. Regardless of how angry he happened to be at management.

ray nichkee's picture

Clap, clap, clap. You see it too bearmeat.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

The whole contract becoming guaranteed is a more compelling reason than I think most folks around here are ready to admit. I really like Sitton, but the more I think about it the less and less I find the move to be assinine.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

No, it is asinine, unless Sitton was very untruthful, or there is something we don't know. Sitton denied any prior knowledge of being in danger, denied any problem with not being extended, etc. He has been practicing more this year than in prior years.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Sometimes the order of replies here are confusing. I'm talking about Sitton being a vested veteran, not some sort of cancer.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I knew his contract becomes guaranteed. The speculation raised here fits about 4 different suggestions, perhaps with overlap:

1. Hissy fit about not being extended/cancer in locker room.
2. GB doesn't think he can make it through a season.
3. GB thought his play had or would decline.
4. #1 to 3 are untrue, or only factors; GB was just too cheap to pay him.

I suppose GB might think some younger guard on another team will get released and can play almost as well for a fraction of the cost. Seems dubious given our waiver position, unless that player is a veteran not subject to waivers.

stockholder's picture

But Why Now. TT trades up to get Spriggs, when he could of had Cody Whitehair G from Kansas. He then could of kept his draft picks. And why trade for Spriggs, when Tretter could have been moved to guard first? So Spriggs has to be in their plans someway. Which I felt Bulaga would go before Sitton. Unless their giving up on Lang too. And Tretter moves there. Just NO guarantees or answers with cutting Sitton. .

stockholder's picture

LT are the premium. And so are All-pro guards. So you'd rather wait for Spriggs, then Win now. Buluga was slowing down and could not keep up with the speed rushing DEs last year. I cheer for my team too. I reserve the right not to fall in love with a GM. TTs job is to produce a Winner. Not sell the NFL.

stockholder's picture

You know your just not thinking. Sitton made the switch to LG. He kept A-Rod on his feet, and took Bahk under his care. We finally get Nelson back with cook. And now were looking at a New Guard, Center, etc. And not giving A-rod enough time , to get it to Nelson ,Cobb, and Cook. You want everyone to see your heart, but these are not the move of champions. It's the move of a GM selling a product. I remember when TT dumped Guards before. But that was cap numbers and rebuilding. The Packers should not be in a rebuilding mold. Ask anyone if building a winner; is just winning a conference , or winning the super-bowl. You remember players that win super-bowls, and not just make the playoffs. I will say this , maybe I'm afraid of changes. But this move of letting Sitton go, should not be praised. No matter how you may see it, it's still a downer.

stockholder's picture

Tretter was beat out. MM made it official in each of his press conference those 4 years who is the starter. Tretter is now, according to MM. Sittons back is an assumption, as he stated he was feeling the best in years. Sitton switched to LG from RG so Lang could start too. And Bulaga was hurt that year. Sitton Stabilized that left side. Your Falling apart.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

"Sitton switched to LG from RG so Lang could start too."

That's not what happened. They where both already starters and switched because McCarthy thought it would help the running game.

stockholder's picture

yes. thanks, lang switched sides too.

stockholder's picture

Tretter was hurt and was replaced. Remember lang at center. Grow -up. If you don't like my comment don't respond.

stockholder's picture

Tretter 2013 Games 0, Games started O. 2014 Games 8 , Games started 0 2015 Games 16 , Games started 3. Linsey was replaced as the starter, because he is hurt and to far behind.

Nick Perry's picture

Considering what a horrible run blocker Bahkitiari is the Packers are going to have a rough time running to the left side without Sitton. Period!!

MarkinMadison's picture

I can't believe Sitton was going to hold out.

The Packers have stayed pretty stable by replacing no more than 1 OL per year. Maybe this is part of a master plan. I got nothing. I'm grasping at straws. This does not make me feel like the team is going to be better.

egbertsouse's picture

I'm sure Teddy had a good reason for cutting him.....6 million good reasons. Tightwad Ted strikes again, the profit margin is more important than those old Super Bowls.

Nick Perry's picture

While I don't believe that to be true, it's getting harder and harder to go along with this "In Ted We Trust" thing. Okay, so Thompson's Packers won the SB in 2010, but he also had 2 of the Top 10 QB's to ever play the game the entire time he's been here. When you have that luxury and have only been to one SB it does make you start to wonder if the "Bottom Line" isn't more important than Titles. If he made a trade, signed more than 2 Free Agents in 10 years, at least 2 worth bringing up, or used more than just the Draft and UDFA to build his roster then I'd at least feel he did EVERYTHING he could to win. But Thompson does none of that, zero, zip, nada.

I understand the Packers have the best regular season record in the NFL since 2009 and that's remarkable in it's own right. But I'd still like to FEEL our GM does everything he can to win the SB, not the Division.

SHIT!!!

Bearmeat's picture

THIS.

I want TT gone. After this year. I'm done with him. Bring on Wolf Part 2.

stockholder's picture

I really have to agree. I think everyone really is trying to be positive. But to see some players get on the roster, because they were a draft pick irks me. I feel TT has turned this into a masquerade. When this team struggles you'll see the true results. Will the excuses ever stop. Lets take A-rod and Mathews out. I only see the door revolving. The All-pros are leaving. After 4 pre season games who will play LG? Why did offensive line look so bad? For years everyone wanted a ILB. They just keep getting replaced. TT wants us to believe everything will be Fine. But Fine is not a super -Bowl or Bust policy. And when a player blows an opportunity, he's the excuse, and then cut. How many can remember Lombardi's and Wolf's teams? I can more than the Thompson's teams? TTs are one step away from a fire sale.

EdsLaces's picture

This is ridiculous. Please tell me this was because of Murphy not Barclay!! Also how the f#CK do you get rid of Barrington and not keep Bradford??????

Since '61's picture

This move makes no sense to me at this point. Why sabotage your healthy OL when the season is about to start? I can't see either Lane Taylor or Don Barclay being as effective as Sitton at LG. Let's hope we get some answers and it all works out. Thanks, Since '61

Spock's picture

My guess is that Sitton's health is not all that good and TT is extending other OL guys. Yeah, Taylor and Barclay aren't exactly GREAT replacements, but maybe they will be at least SERVICEABLE for this season. I wouldn't be surprised at TT picking up another veteran guard after all the dust settles (or possibly a trade of some sort). You have to wonder at what the coaches were seeing at daily practices, especially with the one's not seen by the public (Were other players practicing at Sitton's spot? Was Sitton exhibiting problems with his back?). We will never know.

Spock's picture

My guess is that Sitton's health is not all that good and TT is extending other OL guys. Yeah, Taylor and Barclay aren't exactly GREAT replacements, but maybe they will be at least SERVICEABLE for this season. I wouldn't be surprised at TT picking up another veteran guard after all the dust settles (or possibly a trade of some sort). You have to wonder at what the coaches were seeing at daily practices, especially with the one's not seen by the public (Were other players practicing at Sitton's spot? Was Sitton exhibiting problems with his back?). We will never know.

Spock's picture

sorry about the double post!

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Quite a few of our practices were open to the public. The beat writers were there. Nagler was there. I would have expected a heads up from these people. Maybe I missed those reports.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Sitton has been sitting out 1-1 drills since at least 2014 because of his back. So...

Since '61's picture

Spock - you make good points as usual. However, if we lost Sutton due to an injury we could understand that and we would all be very concerned about the status of the OL. Sitton was a warrior who played through numerous injuries in 2014 and 2015. If TT released him because he might be injured again this season seems a little spurious to me given Sitton's history of playing through his injuries. Except for some penalties Sitton played at a high level even when he played hurt. As for the cap money how much is it worth to keep AR upright during the season. If AR gives us our best shot to win the SB and protecting Aaron is job #1 why would the Packers release arguably their best OL because he might be hurt or over an existing contract or both? This doesn't sound very well thought out. Why would you have Sitton take all the snaps with the #1 offense if he was going to be released when his replacement could be taking those snaps? Releasing Sitton makes the OL a question mark which didn't exist before. Prior to today the OL was probably the most solid position group on the team after QB. I need more info to say the least. Thanks, Since '61

Tundraboy's picture

Ditto

Nick Perry's picture

Well said Since '61. If you look at most of the "scouting reports" on the Packers, they all talk about the Packers being in a little better shape to handle an injury to one of the starting 5, but it was far from ideal. Now we're already in a mode of replacing one of the lines best players making the overall depth worse and the OL as a whole.

stockholder's picture

Thomas is the new Jarret Bush! Adams stays and Geronimo goes? Sitton goes and Barclay stays! Where's the logic. Does TT even watch film anymore? Or is the miller beer being replaced with PEDS.

al bundy's picture

You guys probably have seenmyour last superbowl. The worst non trade, letting cullen jenkins, your monster pass rusher in the sb, chasing QB into the arms of Mathews, who has done nothing since and doing it to save a buck. Who was the pro bowl center we got rid of for nothing in return and now spent three years trying to replace him. It just never ends.

Spock's picture

Al,
Why don't you emulate Cow and say you are done with this site and go to your beloved Vikings site where you can drool over the Bradford trade? Trust me, you would not be missed either. It's a shame we can't have a "cut down day" for posters. Well, maybe not, I'm not sure I'd make the cut. Anyways, just a "suggestion". :)

Nick Perry's picture

If this was the DN they would have kicked him off by now. Why CHTV continues to allow clowns like this post is beyond me...Al???

EdsLaces's picture

I kinda feel like my 6 year old wrote this comment for some reason....

marpag1's picture

If that's true, I'm sorry to inform you that your 6 year old is probably a bit behind when it comes to English. Might want to get him/her a private tutor.

Colin_C's picture

Thomson's words ring truer than ever. "Cuts are a difficult, confusing time"

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I'm thinking I could have gotten a conditional 7th round draft pick in 2025 from some team for Sitton. No doubt the homers in the press will press TT on the reasoning behind this.

I thought GB had a window this year to win it all, if they had good fortune health-wise and the ball bounced our way a bit. It is still open, but not as wide as it was, IMHO.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

DPF, we often see things the same way, but losing an all pro guard can indeed change a team's fortunes. Losing any red or blue chip player has to be significant, if not determinative. Any other red chip players you think would be a good idea to cut?

GVPacker's picture

It's a hard pill to swallow when one of your favorite players gets cut especially an All Pro like Josh Sitton. But I think Stroh has a good point, his body is breaking down. He's a 300lb beast and his back is in bad shape. And it's only going to get worse as the season progresses TT probably has been monitoring Sitton's chronic back issues with Dr Pat and the Strength and Conditioning Coach. We all knew that this was likely his last season with the Packers But the end came sooner than later. This Sucks but it's just a reminder it's not a game it's a business.

EdsLaces's picture

What's ur name in the League DPF?

EdsLaces's picture

Oh weird I just saw it....either way you're going down ;)

Bedrock's picture

I want to preface the following by saying I'm shocked; I don't understand this move.

However...

We know TT's role is forward thinking. It's not like he made this decision in isolation either. Come off the ledge, guys. MM and his staff were also in on this process. They sell it one way publicly, but we all know the lack of transparency in this process. I'm inclined to think we saw Sitton with our green and gold colored glasses on, the little we actually saw.

I'm trying hard not to be a blind follower, but I trust those paid to do this more than ANY of us on this site...except Cow. He he he.

Still, it doesn't make sense to me.

pooch's picture

We are playing this year for S.B.,Sittons cap number means nothing this year,they could have cut ties after the season ended.Who is better than him,shoot play him tell he wears out at worse,cant believe this move no sense whats so ever

Lphill's picture

COW please stop , Sitton not getting a ring with your Vikings, the Packers are fine , plenty of pass rushers I like Clay moving around on the defense inside , outside , TT knows what he is doing, you know nothing.

4thand1's picture

If Sitton can't say on the field and they have to pay 6 mil, it makes perfect sense. I'd be willing to bet this has more to do with health concerns than he cap. Although the cap dictates so much too.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Health and the fact that his contract was basically guaranteed and the fact that they need to resign Tretter and Bahk before the season is done.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

So, TT also decided to mess with Crosby's head.
TT: Congrats on a nice training camp.
C: Thanks.
TT: How about a new holder to help you out?
C: Um, not my place to hold out for a holder....
TT: How about a new longsnapper?
C: Yes, Sir, may I have another?

John Galt III's picture

I think we may pick up a player or two released by another team

MITM's picture

The only sense I can make of this is Linsley moving to guard once he is healthy, which I am fine with but he isnt healthy. Why is Don Barclay on this team? Seriously? He is just as bad as Marshall Newhouse and Tony Moll were. Also I hate to see Bradford go but I think at the very least Thomas is the same player only better in coverage. Sam Barrington I think is a better player than Jake Ryan so I do not understand that. Ted Thompson runs this team like a Madden franchise and sometimes it makes me sick its almost like the moves he makes are for his own enjoyment and not to compete for a Super Bowl. We still will, but why make it any harder than it already is? Thats what happened today.

John Galt III's picture

Sure are a lot of experts here with 10 or 20 Super Bowl Head Coaching rings. Or so it appears.

You do realize that 31 other teams are now doing the same thing - that is, cutting players that get their fans to pontificate on the terrible moves their team just made without that particular fan's permission.

stockholder's picture

Packer odds to win the super- bowl were 8 to 1. (Vegas) Bet they went down today. I'll post the new ones soon.

MITM's picture

Thanks for the generic "fans know nothing comment", never heard that one before especially on this site.

Brian Ringwood's picture

how about Bulaga goes inside and Spriggs goes to RT

MITM's picture

I do not think Spriggs is ready to start he will get bullrushed into Aaron Rodgers all season if he gets thrown into the fire this year he NEEDS to add weight.

John Galt III's picture

That move has been mentioned a lot today by some writers for the GB Press Gazette and the Milwaukee Sentinel/Journal.

PackerfanAuggie15's picture

6 mil means nothing with an SB on the line. Only can see a weak side of the O line for run blocking and shuffling of linemen, not a great way to start the year. I'll withhold final judgement till all is done but the emotional hit is palpable.

DrealynWilliams's picture

O-Line just went from one of the league's best to.....

mrj007's picture

Perhaps the freed up Cap space will allow the team to fortify another weak position (d line OR ILB). I would take that tradeoff. They must've felt the drop-off from Sitton to whoever does not outweigh the $6M price tag. I predict a major FA signing in the next few days that will put that extra money to use at a position of need...that said, Sitton is one of my favorite players. Business in pro sports is serious.

lennysmalls's picture

In the wake of a great Badger win...What the HELL is Thompson doing messing with his line and a great player so close to the opener. He deserves to be fired for this!

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Thanks, DPF, for the offer regarding FF. I must have missed it. I really only watch GB games. I don't know the league very well and wouldn't be helpful. If we get interested in another player like Cook, I slog through Turf Show Times and their local paper for the weekly recaps like McGinn does, watch some film where it's available (but that tends to be highlights - almost everyone looks outstanding in highlights - and read PFF, ESPN, etc. I gather FF is a little more fast paced than that. Plus, I don't like what it does to some people I know.

One thing about this thread - it definitely could be one where a few saved screenshots could be embarrassing later. If Sitton signs elsewhere and falls into tiny little pieces within a few games, that's one thing. If he plays 99.3% of the snaps (like he did last year while logging 1040 snaps - 3 more than AR) at an all-pro level, that's another. I don't think TT is dumb, so I'm guessing there might be some reason hidden from me, but time will tell!

Mojo's picture

? {scratches head}

Mojo's picture

Maybe Ted thought the fan-base was getting too complacent. Just wait until he cuts ARod.

Shock and awe Ted. Shock and awe.

croatpackfan's picture

I read almost all off what you wrote. First, we have to know that I doubt this shocking decision was made alone by TT. He is the decision maker, but I doubt that this, as any other moves comes without consensus with coaches.
Said that there can be just 2 reasons for this decision:
1. It might come something like blackmail from josh Sitton. He may try to get extension of his contract in somehow inadequate way given how others were playing trough TC and preseason games. In that case I will react similar (I have situation like that in my professional position) and cut or release person with that kind of "requests". No matter how costly at the moment it looks like, that is much better than fight with that person and surely not good if you accept blackmail;
2. There may be some medical issues we were not informed about, and that might be reason why no team was willing to trade for him!
Very cold announcement of this cut tells me that first option is more probable...
But nothing of what I wrote may be truth...
P. S. It looks a little as Favre moment

Packer_Pete's picture

I was speechless until now. I wouldn't have been surprised if the contract wasn't renewed after this year. Had he been traded for some help at DL or ILB, I'd said ok, fine. But nobody, NObody, NOBODY can tell me that there is a better OG on this team behind Lang who is even close as good as Sitton still is, back issues and all. This will come back to haunt the team this season. Now, one injury to Bulaga, and the line will look like this: DBak, Taylor, Tretter, Lang, Spriggs. Or an injury to Lang (gulp), and the line will look like this: DBak, Taylor, Tretter, Barclay, Bulaga. Anybody out there still wants to tell me that this OL is good, and has "good depth"?????

And WTF is going on with going without a LS into the season? Got rid of Crosby's holder already, and now got rid of the LS. Great, I can already see some points taken off the board due to bad holding or bad snaps...

I have long defended Ted and thought for the most part his decisions were right, but this is a head scratcher to say it mildly. The impact of Sitton's salary financially wasn't crippling, and this was the last year. I can already see images of Sitton in purple... Not pretty. I also know that this wasn't Ted's decision all by himself. I'm sure Mike McC had input. But this is really really depressing. I thought the OL this year, when healthy, was in the top 5 in the NFL. Now, I don't think they make the top 10...

Oppy's picture

Sitton will be picked up in a hurry.

Packer_Pete's picture

why trade for an All Pro OG when you can wait a few hours and then be ready and able to negotiate a deal on your own terms without having to give up a draft pick or player? Sorry but your argument makes no sense. Now that Sitton is a FA any team can negotiate with him and not be forced to give the Packers anything in return.

I think it mostly is a business move since this frees up cap space to be able to extend other players before next season. Fine. but this overall hurts the quality of the OL and thus the team for this season. I did think they'd not extend his contract after this season. Fine with me, extend the younger guys. But it is about winning now. There is no injury to Sitton. Maybe his play has slipped a little, but he still is way better than Taylor and Barclay. And please don't tell me you believe he isn't...

Oppy's picture

Corey Lindsley Was slated to be Josh Sitton's replacement from the day they promoted JC Tretter to starting center.

That was my guess, anyways- When they announced Tretter was the starter at center, I immediately suspected that the Packers knew they weren't able to keep both guards and Lindsley was going to be the replacement for whoever didn't get resigned.

Of course, I thought that would happen next year.

Packer_Pete's picture

that's fine. but he will miss the first half of the season at least. really want to see Taylor or Barclay as starters at OG for the first 6 - 8 games???

Oppy's picture

No, I don't. But it is what it is.

I firmly believe that part of the reason so many Packers players take home-town discounts to stay Packers Players is due to the respect the Packers show their players.

I think cutting SItton now instead of after the season so he can perhaps land a muli-year deal elsewhere while he's healthy and in good shape- I think that's the type of respect shown to players who worked hard for our team for years that other players notice and appreciate.

We reap the benefits of that respect given all the time in GB, guys generally want to stay here, even if it's not top dollar. I think with this move, we're paying the piper.

Again, I'm not thrilled about 6+ weeks of a placeholder LG either, but as a working man, I appreciate the respect being paid to Sitton for all his hard work that has benefited the Packers for years.

Packer_Pete's picture

I hear what you are saying. But it certainly is not thrilling to see a placeholder at LG. Has management given up on this season already for having the ability to sign the other starters long term during this or before next season? I think that partly plays a role.
It should be about winning now. I think this move shows it really isn't all about that.

Oppy's picture

I understand, but.. Let's say the Packers go "win now" and don't cut sitton.

Let's say they only have the cap space to extend one starting lineman this season because they lack sufficient cap space to maneuver.

Now let's say, they extend David Bahktiari. They know they don't want to extend Sitton because they aren't sure about his back moving forward... So now they are looking at entering into the 2017 offseason with only Bakhtiari and Bulaga under contract. Everyone else on the line is a free agent.

Oh, and let's say the Packers DON'T win the superbowl this year.

I think in the above scenario, "Winning Now" mentality would possible hamstring the Packers ability to "win now" for the next 4 seasons while they attempt to piece together another quality OL, or they'd pay so dearly to keep it together they wouldn't be able to resign other quality players in the years to come.

There has to be a balanced approach, or else blind "win now" ensures "Lose for a long time"

Oppy's picture

Good points, although I wouldn't cut perry, he's got a lot of football ahead of him. Peppers is an excellent point though,and we have enough edge guys to get by w/o him.

There is a lot of speculation from various beat writers that something actually transpired with sitton over the last few days... Maybe time will tell.

Packer_Pete's picture

Look, I don't dispute that there has to be a balanced approach. But all a GM and coaches can do is trying to win now. you may build a great team and great OL by releasing Sitton and using the money to extend others or get other FAs now. and hope that it pays off next season, and then boom in practice or a preseason game Rodgers gets hurt and is out of most if not all the season. there goes your chance...
It is about winning now. as the only chance you may get is now... doesn't mean you have to be the Redskins or Cowboys and sign all big names just because they can walk straight. But Sitton's salary this season was not a problem, and there are others on the team who have similar or higher salaries and one could've gotten rid of them. I just think Sitton's value to the OL is very high, given his backups...

Since '61's picture

DesertPack - all of the reasons given for releasing Sitton probably have some degree of validity. However, the bottom line is that this move was unnecessary and has weakened our offensive line one week before the season begins. As I mentioned in an earlier post if Sitton was injured and lost for the season in practice this weekend we would all be pretty concerned but we all know injuries happen in football. Now we are in that situation for reasons that appear to be created by team management. As you know going back to the AllGBP days I am a TT supporter but this is a move I can't agree with or justify yet. At least not until I see a reasonable justification for this move. Replacing a player like Sitton with Taylor, Barclay or even Trettor later this season only weakens our OL which means less protection for Rodgers and hurts our running game for Lacy. During the last week our OL, holder and long snapper have become question marks that didn't exist before. It looks to me like TT is getting ready for the 2017 season before we even play the 2016 season. As a managing equity partner in a management consulting firm I believe in planning for the future as much as anyone but planning for the future includes taking care of the short term so that we can make it to the future. I'm not so sure that TT has recently made the best moves to get to the 2016 SB which is more important than planning for 2017 and beyond. Sports is about winning today and Sitton gave us a better chance to win this season than any of the current alternatives. Thanks, Since '61

zerotolerance's picture

Does anyone else believe the reason for keeping six S and only three ILBs is due to hybrid S in the box? Getting faster there?

Oppy's picture

I think Kentrell Brice is athletic enough that he can play CB, so I'm not 100% sure I'd consider him a true safety on our roster. He could be the 'new, improved micah hyde'

That being said, if the Packers actually do use Burnett at ILB in formations that still call for two high safeties, it wouldn't hurt to have a few more options.

Lastly, keep in mind that there are some PUP players, suspended players, and perhaps an IR guy who could come back onto the active 53 and when that happens, people need to be cut to accomodate them. I could see a guy like Evans getting cut after week 4 or 6 as a make-room casualty for another player, and then get signed to PS.

Oppy's picture

Also, consider that Matthews might as well be considered an emergency ILB as well.

pooch's picture

Could be or clay sees a lot of ilb play with all the olbers.OR are one of safties gonna be hybrid linebacker

jimtalkbox's picture

If you're looking at who's going to start next week vs. Jacksonville, I think it's almost got to be Taylor.

He signed a two year deal in the offseason that didn't make much sense for a backup. Obviously, the Packers think more highly of him than we do.

Not to say that he's a long term answer, that might be Tretter, but Linsley's injury has prevented that from happening for now.

marpag1's picture

My advice: Let's all take a deep breath and see what happens. There will be time to crucify Ted later, if the situation warrants it.

I will admit that I don't really understand the move. In the immediate future I think we have to say that it weakens the talent level of the team. But I think most people will also agree with the time-tested adage that it is better to get rid of a guy a year too early rather than a year too late.

It is certainly possible that this could turn out to be a fantastic move. But there is so much here that we don't know. We don't know the specifics of Sitton's health. We don't know if there was any acrimonious negotiations between Sitton's camp and the Packers (although it doesn't seem that there was). We don't know if maybe the Packers had Linsley and Tretter penciled in as starters all along. We don't know if the Packers have extensions lined up for other deserving players that this cap savings will make possible. In short, we can summarize it all as follows: We Don't Know.

Everyone thought that Ted was insane for letting Marco Rivera walk. In hindsight, it was one of the best moves that TT ever made. (And what was the concern with Rivera at the time? A bad back.... if that sounds a bit eerily familiar). I'm not saying that the Sitton and Rivera cases will both end the same way. Maybe, maybe not. But I'll be honest and say that all I can really do is wait and see.

Graham Crackah's picture

Sitton to visit the Bears and then the Saints.

dobber's picture

Wrong spot

dobber's picture

I don't see this as a likely being rash decision on the part of the Packers by any means. Nor do I see this as strictly a cost-cutting move. There's another shoe yet to drop here, somewhere....

The fact that the roster seems so katywumpus with regard to player distributions...DBs, WRs, ILBs...there might be some kind of major philosophical change underway here that we're not privy to.

Oppy's picture

You get an automatic like for use of the word katywumpus as far as I'm concerned

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I, too, after reflection, gave Dobber a like, but it wasn't automatic because I would spell it with a C and two Ts. I checked and it appears both spellings are acceptable.

Oppy's picture

Yes, the word looked all cattywampus to me as well. But then, I didn't even realize it was a 'real' word, I thought it was just an informal made up word that poor Nebraskan farm girls like my mother used. :)

AgrippaLII's picture

So now I'll wait to see if Sitton gets signed by another team...and how his career plays out from there. This move won't help TT's popularity any...but it's a smart business decision for the Green bay Packers. Wait and see!

dobber's picture

A smart business decision? A smart football decision? I don't see those two as necessarily being exclusive of one another...

Nick Perry's picture

It's not about "If" or even "When", it's about WHO he signs with. A division rival? A another team that's a threat to go to the SB from the NFC? Both of those options suck for the Packers. The fact is IMO the Packers were best served to keep Sitton for this season.

Bad back, bad feet, doesn't practice (Though he was this TC and Preseason...a lot) he's still the Packers best option at LG.

Like everybody has been saying, Ted must have a plan although I have my doubts his plans go past Barclay and/or Taylor.

I'd rather have kept Sitton over Burks, Barclay, Taylor, Evens, Elliott, Hawkins or Dorleant any day.

Barclay and Taylor are costing the Packers $2.2 Million plus Sittons dead money of $300,00.00 saved the Packers $3.5 Million over all.

If you see this, is that about right TGR??? I based that on a salary of $6 Million.

Nick Perry's picture

Or was it $6.5 Million???

Packer_Pete's picture

first team he will be visiting is the Bears, as per reports...

stevebooth8739@gmail.com's picture

And signed according to reports for $21.5 million per Tom Silverstein of the Journal/Sentinel.

Point Packer's picture

Don Barclay is still on this roster?
Mind boggling. Simply mind boggling.

Packer_Pete's picture

not only that. he's going to be a starter...

cheesehead1's picture

Long time GB fan here from the NW. Was very surprised by Sittons release but I'm sure it was well thought out. TT has my support, maybe more details will emerge later on.

Off topic a bit, but are there any Packer talk shows that I can listen to online during the week? Only station I've found is WTMJ with their pregame show of 2 hours. Are there any local stations online out of GB or maybe Milwaukee? Thanks very much. Time now for GB to focus on JAX. Regardless of their supposed soft schedule, there are no easy games in this league.

Oppy's picture

Cheesehead1,

540 AM Milwauke (Local ESPN Affiliate) http://pro.wauk-am.tritonflex.com/common/page.php?pt=talent&id=257

has three Packers centric shows, including Green & Gold Today featuring long time Packers beat writer Jason Wilde (M-F 9-10am Central), Monday night show with Antonio Freeman 6pm-7pm, A Sunday show from 10am-noon featuring Mark Chmura, and many daily shows that will feature prominent Packers coverage like Steve 'The Homer' True's daily M-F 3-6 (although I find Homer annoying lol)

1250 AM Milwauke / 105.7 FM the Fan (Same station, two different bandwidths) http://www.1057fmthefan.com/#

Various shows. The daily "The Big Show" M-F 2pm-6PM covers all WI sports and general sports talk, but has cast members including LeRoy Butler and Gary Ellerson , with occassional drops in from the likes of Gilbert Brown. Packers beat reporter Mike CLemens has good info, too. It'll have a ton of Packers stuff on a daily basis. Check out the lineup.

These are the big ones in the Milwaukee area, I'm sure there's a ton up in Green Bay proper, too.

oldfart's picture

IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE WASTING A. ROGERS TALENT FOR ANOTHER YEAR AND ANY THOUGHTS OF A SUPER BOWL ARE FADING .THE OFFENSIVE LINE WILL BE WEAKER WITHOUT SITTON AND THE DEFENSIVE LINE IS UNTESTED. A MEASURE OF HOW GOOD THE PACKER TEAM IS THIS YEAR WILL BE THE GAME AGAINST THE VIKINGS IN WEEK TWO.. IT WILL BE A GOOD TEST FOR THE OFFENSE. IF THE PACKERS CAN CONSISTENTLY SCORE 30 POINTS OR MORE PER GAME THEY COULD BE VERY GOOD.

Kevin McDonnell's picture

Sitton is on the downswing. Barclay is a good guard albeit not all-pro level. He will do fine. Then, Tretter will move to guard and Linsley back to Center. Then no one will care, the OL will be as good as when Josh played his last game in 2015 season. Now the Packers can keep Tretter, Lang, and Bahktiari for 2017 and beyond. With Peppers off the books next year they can sign Hyde and the other young talent... Too many Packer fans have a "the sky is falling mentality"....

stockholder's picture

Barclay, Tretter and Linsey all have been on the IR. We are going to have a roster full of IR players. They will get rich on the IR now. If Sittton could not get a better deal after playing through pain. No one's going to try and get off the IR after they sign a big contract. Suspensions are just the start of players doing PEDS to get the big bucks. They might as well bring back Colt to play TE. TT had a brain fart again. I'm ready for Wolf and end the sabotage.

Point Packer's picture

Barclay is good? What team have you been watching the last couple of years. Guy is a sive. He is not only not an All Pro, but a guy who is constantly on the cusp of being in the NFL and probably wouldn't be if MM and/or TT didn't have some odd love affair with the guy.

Barclay on the field for GB is a bad thing if you are a Packer fan.

Bedrock's picture

Name the last cut or unsigned packer that went on to success greater than his play as a Packer. I don't know how, but somehow Sitton is going to be one of those unsuccessful cuts. TT is pretty much on top of it despite what many think.

DrealynWilliams's picture

I can't wait to see the Mike Daniels v. Josh Sitton battle.

jdeverehill's picture

Looks like 3-year, $21.75M with $10M guaranteed per Schefter.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Ah, the fawning media that covers GB has not only defended TT, but applauded his decision on Sitton, even comparing TT to Lombardi. I suppose perhaps the ruthlessness part might be applicable, but call me when TT wins 5 championships or super bowls. They are different eras, so comparisons are dubious. Of course, Dougherty had to write a hit piece with plenty of ad hominem attacks on Sitton to fit that narrative. To wit:

"CLEARLY [emphasis added], Thompson thought a problem was festering in his locker room, and Sitton’s age and bad back left him expendable even coming off a second-team All-Pro season." "...Sitton had become haughty and uncommunicative." His source is an unnamed NFL guy with ties to GB. So where did the NFL guy get this info? "[H]e (an agent for one of the other OL guys) assumed Sitton refused a pay cut..." So, the guy has no actual knowledge, and this fluff still gets in the article. Then Dougherty writes: "Sitton by all appearances was respected in the locker room and the dominant personality on the offensive line." But he can't stop himself from adding a sly innuendo based on nothing: "You never know for sure what teammates think but this probably has not gone over well with his cohorts, especially on the offensive line." Look at that last sentence: the first part is all fluff that Dougherty admits isn't necessarily or even apparently true, but the use of the word this assumes it as fact and suggests it has not gone over well with Sitton's teammates. There is nothing there: bottom line is that Dougherty doesn't know if Sitton's teammate thought ill of him in the first place. Dougherty could have as easily written that the OL doesn't like TT or AR at the moment. Or, to be kind to Dougherty, he could mean not that Sitton's haughtiness did not go down well with his team, but that TT's cutting of a popular teammate did not go down well. The sentence it appears to refer to deals with whether Sitton is respected and popular; one could read it either way, probably depending on the bias one brings to the article in the first place.

Near the end Doughtery casually writes: "Sitton also won’t have a contract history with his new team, so there won’t be that animosity." There is no evidence presented that Sitton and GB had any animosity in the first place. This sly writing presents something that is unsupported by any evidence as fact.

How about this sophistry: "Thompson couldn't trade him because as soon as he shopped Sitton, teams knew he would be cut." This is just nonsense, unless - maybe - TT didn't start shopping Sitton until Sept. 2 or 3. Didn't TT just trade McCray? Didn't teams think McCray might get cut, so why trade for him? Does Dougherty really think that the only way to trade an established player is for TT to wait for an inquiry from another team? BTW, waiting until September meant that roughly half the teams didn't have the cap space to trade for Sitton. TT probably didn't want to trade Sitton to several teams, leaving the potential pool of teams fairly small.

Then Doughterty writes: "Thompson’s mistake wasn’t cutting Woodson, it was going a full season before finding an adequate replacement (Ha Ha Clinton-Dix)." I don't have a problem with this on journalistic grounds, it is a legitimate opinion. I might point out that many of us suspect fairly strongly that TT doesn't have an adequate replacement on the team for Sitton, at least for the first 6 weeks or more (until Linsley comes off PUP and can play), and that assumes that Linsley or Tretter can play OG at a reasonable level. I suppose that TT might think he can get adequate play out of Taylor or Barclay, but it does leave the depth thin.

This article supports my own opinion of the WI sports media: we will not read anything negative as to the character of packer players until they are ex-packers. Well, who knows the facts. We might read that Sitton failed his physical with Chicago.

Oppy's picture

Yup, the modern media outlets parade Op-Ed as news.

Not a big deal to me in the world of sports- I try to read through the editorial stuff and find facts almost instinctively anyways- it's just sports.

Sadly, this is what our general news sources have become, as well. As in, the people the nation turns to for facts about real issues that affect our lives. Opinion-editorial falsely sold as factual reporting.

Gotta be on your toes at all times..

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Sorry, I wanted to deal with this last issue brought up by Oppy. "Lastly, I can't help but think TT decided to release Josh Sitton right now out of RESPECT for sitton." Oppy 9/4/16 6:57 am. When read in conjunction with Oppy's 7:42 am post, I get what Oppy is driving at. I don't entirely agree, but I'd agree that TT did not disrespect Sitton.

First, if the ultimate source of any of the ad hominem attacks included in Dougherty's article came from the GB FO or coaches (haughty, uncommunicative), I'd consider that to be disrespectful. If the stuff alleging that Sitton's health is suspect, or his level of play had dropped during camp (as opposed to preseason games, the viewing of which is available to every team's scouts) came from the FO or coaches, that would be a gray area for me in terms of disrespect. The NFL guy with ties to the packers got his information about haughtiness, etc., from somewhere; if it isn't from GB's FO, coaches, what exactly is the credibility of the source? I suppose it could be from a packer player.

Second, TT handled this with professionalism in his comments, as did Sitton. But TT did wait until nearly the last possible moment before Sitton's contract would have vested to cut him. Presumably, TT was waiting to see if he could get any compensation from another team, which is what I'd expect a GM with GB's interest foremost in mind would do. That did Sitton no favors, though. Now, cutting Sitton months ago, before FA began, before the draft, even the week before the last preseason game, probably would have benefited Sitton at least some. Teams would have been able to get Sitton into practice to gain cohesiveness with the rest of the OL, and some time to learn the line calls, the terminology, and the playbook. We don't know when TT decided to try to trade Sitton or when he reached a firm decision to cut him, of course.

I tend to agree with Oppy that getting cut now and negotiating a long-term contract this year probably is in Sitton's own best financial interest rather than playing out his current contract. The thinking is that he's a year younger, has less mileage on his body, and avoids the risk of injury during the 2016 season. That is a very paternalistic view, though. It is a view that Sitton himself might or might not share. Lots of players decide to bet on themselves. Sitton may have preferred to let his current contract vest, pocket $6.85M, and then negotiate a long-term contract in March of 2017. Maybe instead of $10M guaranteed he only gets $8.5M on the long-term deal he signs next March. Maybe Sitton was really hungry for another SB ring and preferred to stay with a viable SB team (well, he signed with Chicago, so unless that was his only viable option, I guess maybe not). I am really certain that Sitton would have preferred for TT to cut him at 4:01 PM Eastern Time last Saturday! Or in Mid August or February of 2016.

Oppy's picture

I think that is a fair take.

That being said, as you mentioned, TT is going to put the Packers' interests first.

Jason Wilde stated on the radio on sunday morning that TJ Lang had told him about a week prior that he (TJ) and Josh Sitton were informed by the Packers that they would not be having any contract negotiations during the 2016 season, and that they (the Packers) had also informed them that they were going to be concentrating on re-signing the younger players first. This isn't shocking; it's pretty much the Packers MO with 3rd contract players; the older guys test the free agent market to establish their true value, the Packers often counter if the market value is reasonable, and if another team wants to throw stupid money at a player, the allow that player the opportunity to chase it.

At any rate, Wilde said that Lang, at the time, said he and Josh were pretty steamed about it. Wilde went on to say that after a few days, it seemed like Lang had simmered down, but while Sitton wasn't apparently making a fuss, he wasn't thrilled. Wilde was txting Sitton back and forth about the cut, and said Sitton would not say why the Packers cut him, (Talk to my agent), but he said Sitton had plenty of opportunity to trash the Packers as well, which he did not do. Wilde concluded he thought there was 'something more to all this', hinting that perhaps Josh Sitton did or said something that perhaps he shouldn't have, but admitted that was just a guess based on an awkwardness in the exchange he had with him.

Maybe time will tell. Who knows. I can only say I wish Sitton all the luck in the world for 14 of 16 regular season games in 2016. Great Packer, great guard, great personality.

Palmer Cottrell's picture

There comes a time when you become more expensive than your value. This is what happens in business. They have rules about pay for time in the league and at some point taking into account age, health, productivity, competition and general personality the powers to be either keep you or can you. I have had both happen to me in my career. In this case they decided not to keep him and I think they have more reasons than we know.

They should have done this with Hawk about 5 years ago but I think someone liked him too much.

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