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Packers releasing Nick Perry

As expected. 

Perry was due a $4.8 million roster bonus March 15.

The veteran linebacker ended 2018 on injured reserve with a right knee injury after producing a career-low 1.5 sacks in nine games. It was the third time he ended a season on IR.

Perry never lived up to the five-year, $60 million extension he signed back in 2017. While he showed flashes at times, he simply could not be counted on even when he was playing well. His play took a noticeable downturn last year and the signings of Za'Darius and Preston Smith earlier today all but sealed his fate in Green Bay. 

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Coldworld's picture

Well now we need a draft pick again. Still don’t get the math. Yes we save money but only 3 million cap space. Unless Gilbert was injured, they must think more highly of him than I do. Simply don’t see Fackrell as a starting type but as a situational player, pure rush/close area cover. Unless we bring in another lower tier FA.

jannes bjornson's picture

Have you read the news. Two Edge guys signed this morning. With a June 1st cut designation the Pack will have room to sign the draft class. Maybe the queens talk to Perry as a 4-3 DE?

Coldworld's picture

Yes, and 2 requires a 3rd to be on the roster, very happy with signings actually even though big money. We now need a credible rotation guy behind them, which is the role I was referring to in relation to Perry or a new signing. Fackrell isn’t that type of player in my view. He has definite pluses but starting in the event of injury not do much.

I don’t think they can designate June 1 without paying the 5 million, since he can’t be officially released now to qualify under that designation.

White _tornado's picture

Gute decided they were not going to give Perry the freeloader another nickel.

Hawg Hanner's picture

Fackrell is just a guy but at his salary that is okay. We must hope he gets beat out in camp.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Yes, GB could have designated Perry as a June cut and not have paid him. The June designation just freezes the cap situation as of the time he was designated. Perry becomes a free agent the moment he is June designated so he is no longer on the roster as of March 13. Perry can sign with some other team immediately. If he is no longer on the roster, then the bonus is not triggered.

Moot now, of course.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Sign the Smiths - Check
Sign Amos - Check
Sign OL depth - Check
Cut Perry- Check

I think I have Stockholder syndrome. You got your wish list buddy!

Rak47's picture

I'm so stoked JS! The Smiths were at the top of my wish list for edge signings and Amos was my number 2 behind Earl Thomas at safety. In fact I predicted last night they'd sign Za'Darius for 4 years at 58-60 million with 30-35 in guarantees and I caught hella flak from posters asking if I was crazy, lol. Guess I'm not so crazy after all.

The TKstinator's picture

Are you crazy after all?

Rak47's picture

Oh Happy day! Packers are releasing Perry and signing Preston and Za'Darius Smith. I'm so giddy I don't know what to do right now. Adrian Amos is signing as well.

Coach JV's picture

Today is a bright new day in Packerland!!! The only thing that can make this better than the 4 we signed is to top it off by securing Breeland!

jannes bjornson's picture

Looks like Breeland will be replaced by a draft pick??

Rak47's picture

Reports are still coming in that the Packers are still in the running for Mark Ingram's services. I do really want Breeland resigned but it will be hard to get upset with Gute if he decides to let him walk after the day the Packers have had today.

Coach JV's picture

We don't need Mark Ingram... We DO need Breeland. I can't imagine King staying healthy and on the field. I just don't see it happening. If we sign Breeland, we are good. If not, CB becomes a liability again.

We need Breeland far more than we need Ingram.

Coldworld's picture

I agree on Ingram. That would be a head scratcher for me. Why sign a player to take a plus performer off the field in Jones except for depth where Williams has proved more than adequate, and has good hands if we would use them?

Given the expenditure yesterday, how much do we have left in cap space, I’ve seen estimates of around 7 to 8 mil after non FA signings, but not sure how accurate those are. If that is close though, it looks like we would struggle to do anything else if we sign Ingram.

I still think we need an additional safety as depth and a LB (could be Cambell if he is healthy at Safety and Ryan or even a restructured Morrison at ILB but we need some experience at FS and ILB behind the starter). Not costly but add up. If we resign Allison the that’s thought to be around 3 million.

All that is doable as of today. However, sign Ingram and it’s not as far as I can see. Just doesn’t make sense.

That leaves Breeland. Breeland will want to be a starter I would think. How attractive is GB to him? He was to sign a 3 year 24 million contract before his foot injury. Can we afford what his going rate is? To be honest I am not sure we can.

Someone else could be cut or restructured. Williams is one possibility but then you have to sign a more established cover for Amos,so more money there. Allison could be allowed to leave, but I think his performance over the games before injury won’t let that happen unless they see Kumerow as a direct substitute. Baluga is not going anywhere this year. Perhaps they see Turner as a future RT, but he is here to play guard at this point. If they draft the next RT, he won’t be ready this year.

Overall, Ingram makes no sense to me either as a value added proposition or based upon impact on other options. It is increasingly looking like we won’t get Breeland, of course the Packers may know that he wants to move on and have acted accordingly for all I know.

Ferrari Driver's picture

"Oh Happy day! Packers are releasing Perry and signing Preston and Za'Darius Smith. I'm so giddy I don't know what to do right now. Adrian Amos is signing as well."

You remind me of Ebenezer Scrooge on Christmas morning after the ghosts visits. He was "giddy" too.

GBPDAN1's picture

I read that the Ravens Smith signing is for 16.5M a year? I'm excited about these developments, but I'm slightly skeptical as that's a lot of money for a 2nd level pass rusher who had his best season in a contract year last year. We can't get stung by another Perry type deal again, can we? I personally am going to forget about this possible negative outcome and enjoy the FA buzz all off season and hope for the best.

I like the Washington Smith signing as it's the same time span deal (4 years) but for less money. By the way, is there really that much of a difference between the 2 Smith's? You would think the Washington Smith would be put off by the difference in the 2 contracts? I'm probably missing something?

Rak47's picture

Z' Smith is considered an ascending talent. He had an absurd amount of QB pressures and hits with limited playing time in a rotation. He's only 26 and the Packers were eyeing drafting him out of college. Preston Smith's market was not quite as high as his ceiling is not as high. P' Smith is essentially Nick Perry without the injuries. Same style of play similar build.

GBPDAN1's picture

Thanks Rak47. I'm excited with all of our FA moves. With a good draft we will be right in the elite NFC mix

Coldworld's picture

Z is the anti Fackrell: pressures galore but only decent sacks. Pressures on a regular basis are essential because they disrupt rhythm and lead to mistakes helping the secondary to boost big plays. That’s a valuable commodity.

Fackrell had almost no pressures outside of his actual sacks. That’s why he can’t start and is a situational rusher. We need one more who can be a credible presence to spell the Smiths or in the event of injury. Can Gilbert step up or Donnerson develop or is this an issue for the draft?

HankScorpio's picture

The math is quite simple. Nick Perry was not worth paying what he was scheduled to make. Neither is Jimmy Graham. But that matches the pattern of last year when none of Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb and Clay Matthews were worth paying what they were scheduled to make. Some got paid and those cap resources were squandered on bad value. Others were not so lucky.

Coldworld's picture

Well the assumption is that they won’t be again. I presume the team believes that is not necessarily true with Graham.

Personally, cutting Perry to save 3 million in cap seems nonsensical unless the team felt it had to endure that none of the dead money got past this year. Makes me wonder if the plan is to keep agressively playing in FA in the future. that extra 5 million had we designated June 1 could have gone well over half way towards signing Breeland, for example, at the cost of adding the same amount of dead money next year,

HankScorpio's picture

You are looking at it from the prism of cap savings. I am looking at it from the prism of cap expenditures. IMO, the prism you use distorts the reality that old money does not matter. New money does. The dead money hit is old money. It is there whether Perry is kept or not, based on the bad signing bonus he received in 21017. Using it to justify wasting new money is compounding a mistake.

Gilbert, Donnerson and Fackrell all come in at the kind of price you pay 3rd/4th/5th OLBs. Perry does not. And given what we've seen, there is little reason to believe that Perry would be more productive than any of those 3. So what kind of sense does it make to pay Perry $11 mil? Heck, I wouldn't even give him $3 mil. It is because of him that the Packers were forced to go big after the two Smiths. Rewarding that lack of performance is just bad business.

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Evergreenpacker's picture

It's unfortunate he didn't pan out. Best of luck to him.

SterlingSharpe's picture

Good riddance to this always-injured overpaid guy. At least Matthews suited up almost all the time. Perry missed so much time.

Now our starting Edges are younger Za'Darious Smith & Preston Smith.

Fackrell & Reggie G are still depth guys.

Don't totally rule out Clay coming back on a very team-friendly deal as he can play anywhere across the 2nd wave from edge to inside. He'd like to remain a Packer, although the Rams may pull him west.

jannes bjornson's picture

Matthews may be back or decide to play close to home.

the real russ letlow's picture

If Clay re-signs with us I'm thinking primarily ILB. Which is a spot where we could use some help.

Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

It will be fun to watch him play at an all-world level injury free for the next 10 years for someone else.

Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

Why no love for this comment? Don't be haters. It is truly good (gallows) humor. You see, with our luck, he will go on to great things. That's why the absurdness of him playing injury free at a high level is so funny. Do I really need to explain...

LeotisHarris's picture

I chuckled, Doug, then kicked in an up vote. I appreciate your humor, but my opinions of your other posts are often clouded because you cut your own hair.

The TKstinator's picture

The TKstinator has served as his own barber for the last 25 years. It is to be admired.

LeotisHarris's picture

Agreed, TK. Simple ugly jealousy on my part. My inability do draw a straight line or create anything level grates at me, so I lash out at Doug.

Serving as your own barber, do you make small talk with yourself while you cut your hair?

Dash Riprock's picture

Actually here, you do need to explain Doug.

Dash

Nick Perry's picture

Hey Dash I haven't seen the normal number of comments from you on all these signings or maybe I just haven't run across them yet.

BUT... I think we can safely say Gute is doing EXACTLY what an excellent GM should do. Just think, he didn't trade any of our draft picks and STILL improved the pass rush.

This is MUCH better IMO than losing out on Mack.

HoLeCrap's picture

Ya you got that right. I was going to post, Nick dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, but his ass wont fit through a door.

Thebearsstillsuck's picture

Something tells me that nick perry isn't going to be a 17 year NFL veteran lol. I am genuinely curious as to what the rest of the league thinks of him and what kind of contract he gets. One year, 5 million prove it deal again? He used to be the number one guy i was afraid of leaving because of what he could do when he wanted to and wasn't hurt. Right now I'm telling myself that even if he has a good year next year it wouldn't have happened here because he didn't care anymore. We'll see how i feel week 8

Since '61's picture

This the best news for the Packers defense since we chucked Dom Capers after 2017. Continue the house cleaning, let CM3 and Brice walk as well. Try to keep Breeland. Go Gute Go! Thanks, Since '61

The TKstinator's picture

Chuck he who needs chucking.

Bearmeat's picture

Good.

Since '61's picture

As usual Bearmeat I'm with you!. Thanks, Since '61

HoLeCrap's picture

I could wet my pants over his leaving. Been pissed at him ever since he gave mich the finger and went yo usc. The guy is all about himself and jot team

crayzpackfan's picture

News is fast and furious in Title Town today. I’m beside myself. Jesus guys, this is FUN!!!!

jannes bjornson's picture

If they didn't make some moves there would have been a Fan Revolt. Back to the draft.
I like Alexander from LSU or Olive Sagapolu from the Badgers as NTs in this draft to plug the run. Clark can play some 3 techique and get a rotation going on the D line. You need to cut some of his reps to keep him fresh.

GBPDAN1's picture

I agree, CrazyPackFan. My head is spinning with all these moves. Damn! BG isn't playing around! He wants to bring home the Lombardi trophy! Can't wait for the draft as we will be loading up more top talent. I feel like a kid on Christmas morning

4thand1's picture

No more of the insanity of doing the same thing expecting different results. 4 signings before FA actually starts? Now we all get to see what so many people wanted, FA signings. This team looks to have improved and will look so much different as starters go. Can't wait for the draft, should be able to go BPA.

jannes bjornson's picture

"we don't like our guys" BG.

Jonathan Spader's picture

"We can do better, no one is safe" BG

stockholder's picture

You don't reward injuries! He now can go to CA.

lucky953's picture

The Raiders will sign him as Mack’s replacement

Thebearsstillsuck's picture

They're going to be very, very disappointed if they try to replace Mack with Nick Perry. That's like trying to replace Kate Upton with Rosie O'Donnell

Nick Perry's picture

HOW in the hell can anyone dislike this comment..."That's like trying to replace Kate Upton with Rosie O'Donnell"

That was a good one Thebearsstillsuck!!!

CAG123's picture

Wow Old School is not going to like this he's been defending Perry for the past few weeks now.

stockholder's picture

Did they learn their lesson with Cobb?

Old School's picture

I think it’s stupid to pay him $11 million not to play for us. I’m also pretty confident that not every FA signing works out. We’ll have an opportunity to see how this all plays out, short term and long.

CAG123's picture

You know i have that same feeling in the pit of my stomach something about Amos and Preston Smith just doesn't feel right.I mean how good is Amos without Eddie Jackson, Prince Amukamara, and Kyle Fuller playing alongside him or Mack "The Man Beast" playing in front of him or Vangio pulling the strings? Preston Smiths numbers are up and down and that's with him playing along side Ryan Kerrigan as a 3 year starter. I was for the Z-Smith signing as a nice lowkey piece. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

kevgk's picture

Theyre paying Amos $9.25mil/yr for 4 years. It sounds like a steal with Matthieu, Collins and likely Thomas all making over 14mil/yr, even if Amos' production drops a little. The Packers corners are no slouches either.

CAG123's picture

Mathieu is not getting 14 million plus this isn't the 2015 Honey Badger

jannes bjornson's picture

He wasn't too shabby last year.

hobowilly's picture

IMHO, i think the "honey badger" is over hyped, sorry!

kevgk's picture

That 11mil was already spent. Ted thompson spent it. They had to decide between Perry and 3.3mil, and I dont think 1.5 sacks is worth the money.

Old School's picture

If you assume this year will be like last year and not the other years.

kevgk's picture

I really think he lost a lot of athleticism due to injuries, and you dont get it back with age. He has a long history of injuries too, whereas Preston Smith has a long history of being reliable. Much safer use of money.

jannes bjornson's picture

Perry has glass hands and his foot injuries have been recurring. The Packer medical staff know him inside and out. The probabilty of him having a Pro Bowl year is low to even odds. There has to be a Change of attitude on that
defensive side of the ball. If White falls in this draft to #12 it would be a top ranked unit by mid-season. Plain and simple that group did not get the job done. A day of rejoicing in Titletown for the fans.

pooch's picture

White would be huge at 12

HoLeCrap's picture

I too would like a skill player at 12. Someone who is a difference maker on D.
TE, O line, they will come but use 12 for a position you can feel good about for years to come.

Since '61's picture

Old School - if we kept Perry we would still be paying him $11 million not to play for us since he did nothing when he was on the field and then he would go to IR. So why not chuck him and bring in someone who may actually produce some results on the field. Maybe even make a play or two that wins a game for us.

I cannot think of one play that Perry made for the Packers, even during his contract year, that won a game for us or had a significant impact on the final result. There were times when Perry disappeared for 2 or 3 games at a time. Bottom line is that for a #1 pick and a ridiculous $60 million contract the guy s**ked for us. Sorry, but that is about the best I can say for him.

Hopefully this sends a message to the rest of the team. Produce or be gone. Big contract does not justify mediocre or worse players. Gute is moving on to his guys and chucking TTs boondoggles. Thanks, Since '61

hobowilly's picture

Hi Since '61, and if you're like me you were quite disgusted with the overall play of #50 (Hawk) who was ultra hyped in college ball, played well at that level, but didn't have the speed to make much of an impact in the NFL--way over spent @ choice #5 and his last half of his career in GB was below average, despite the # of tackles made, albeit well down field!! When fans were excited when CM3 was moved inside, they were elated.....the real issue was Hawk was poor at the point of attack and had no prayer of covering any passes across the middle. Amen

Coldworld's picture

His point on Perry was that they only saved 3 mill in cap by doing so unless they give him 5 million just to technically keep him till June 1 and reclaim 10 mil in cap.

Well it looks like they just decided to do exactly that.

That said, no complaints on today as long as the FA starters can stay healthy.

Very happy with Amos. Was a little surprised on Turner. Hopefully a good move too.

Overall, I think we will draft better as a result of today as well.

CAG123's picture

The worse thing they did for this guy was draft him he was never a fit for the 3-4 and he said during the draft he was always a 4-3 DE but TT obsession with drafting guys out of position doomed him from the start.

Nick Perry's picture

Maybe on the defensive side of the ball but it sure worked out drafting tackles for the O-line....This coming from a guy who pretty much detested Thompson from 2012 on.

CAG123's picture

Yeah but he would also draft a lot of swing lineman so it would work out more times than not.

jannes bjornson's picture

How did that Spriggs deal work out? Sitton and Lang were Four picks. Sitton played Guard in college and Lang could fill in as an OT his rookie year but took a bit of time to transition to guard. Bhaktiari was a God send coming out his junior year. If he stayed for another year in Boulder he was probably going in the first round.

Minniman's picture

Don't be surprised if he pops up on Kansas' roster now that they are moving to a 4-3.

Also don't be surprised that with a good leading group he actually records better stats too. I've always said that he's a good support cast player but couldn't fill the lead role (and style) that the Packers wanted him to play.

I wonder if it was a case that he wouldn't restructure his contract to stay as opposed to the Packers moving on outright. Who knows?

HoLeCrap's picture

What I dont get is this guy is not a linebacker. His ass is wider then my snow shovel and I have a dam big snow shovel. LOL
He is one order of chicken wings away from the wide ass HOF

jannes bjornson's picture

His issue is availability. He can hold edge and his ability to knock balls down at the LOS is very good. The foot ankle injuries just took away what burst he had. As a 4-3 DE he will find a suitor.

Nick Perry's picture

Hmmmm... Should I call myself Za'Darius Smith or Preston Smith now?

Lphill's picture

" the Smith Brothers"

stockholder's picture

Nick you maybe on to something here. We will have the smith bros. And since so many want TEs. Check this out: Irv Smith Te @44 / @75 K.Smith ... Just going Smith crazy.

kevgk's picture

how about Kenny Clark?

SterlingSharpe's picture

The one with the apostrophe in the name!

4thand1's picture

How about Z'P Smith or Zap Smith.

jannes bjornson's picture

Hold a naming contest and put it on the Dan patrick show for votes.

shmelbs's picture

Dead Money?

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

LOL.

Tundraboy's picture

It was a good run. Suggest whoever is the 12th pick,or first Defensive pick.

Minniman's picture

Agent Smith?

LeotisHarris's picture

Go old-school, Nick. Consider Jim Gueno or Gary Weaver. Which ever way you decide to go, you'll always be Nick Perry to me.

croatpackfan's picture

NIck, may I suggest another way to change your nick name. As you cursed Nick Perry getting his name as a nickname, take the nickname name Khalil Mack. Maybe Mack might be so hurt ...

porupack's picture

Just use 'pres za smiths'

cheesehead1's picture

No surprise, underachiever who couldn’t stay healthy. Would like to see us draft Devin White or Burns with the first pick.

kevgk's picture

I'm thinking drop from 12 to 15 to 18 and grab the second TE off the board to get a versatile receiver on offense with an extra late second or something

jannes bjornson's picture

The move down is now in play with Washington thinking of a QB. Alex Smith is going to have a long road to recovery,if at all.

Dash Riprock's picture

Such a shame as Perry was about to have his greatest season this year. Damnit!! This is Bryce Paup going to Buffalo all over again. Horrible mistake by Gute. As Old School says it's madness paying someone 11 million not to play when they are ready to bust out. Madness!!

Dash

shmelbs's picture

We were already paying Perry not to play.

Since '61's picture

Exactly. He's been on the Packers payroll for 7 seasons and he has yet to play for the Packers. I'll be happy to write the check if that is what it takes to get him out of Green Bay. Moving on. Thanks, Since '61

Dash Riprock's picture

I get the joke but I am telling you, this was the year of years for Nick Perry. It's unfortunate it's going to happen on another team probably the Raiders or Vikings is my best guess. IMPrO, it would have been wise to roll the dice one more year with Perry but Gute is an impatient man apparently. As unpopular as it is to support Perry, people will be saying "Dash and Old School were right" about Perry 9 months from now.

Dash

albert999's picture

Come on Riproar
Gutey’s not impatient just trying to make something happen while Rodgers is still upright.
I would have taken Earl Thomas instead of Amos and Preston Smith

Minniman's picture

With the 2 Smiths coming in and Fackrell and Gilbert still on the roster, maybe there was only enough roster room for 1-2 more OLB's (I'll have to check back and see how many OLB's they normally keep but 5 seems about right).

Maybe the Packers would have liked to keep him at least until after the Draft but were stuck with the problem of if they do get their coveted Edge guy in the draft then they have 2 pairs of edge rushers (team smith + Fack\newbie) and Perry becomes the high price buried depth piece that they could have saved a few Mill in cutting.

I'll be interested to see how the cap pans out for the Packers once the details of these deals become public.

I think that when all is said and done it will become evident that Perry was first and foremost a cap casualty than the Packers thinking that he couldn't have added rotational\depth value.

White _tornado's picture

I see no similarities in Perry and Paup. Paup actually played hard. Was it 6 1/2 sacks and a safety in a game against the Eagles? There were games that Paup was completely dominating. The only thing Perry ever dominated was time on the trainers table. Im glad hes gone! Perry was what Dire Straits was thinking about when they wrote the song Money for Nuthin............... "That aint workin, thats the way you do it, money for nuthin and your checks for free."

4thand1's picture

Perry's play busted him out of GB.

Coldworld's picture

Not true. His inability to be available did so coupled with a contract decision howler.

Grandfathered's picture

Right on Cold. Perry was quality when healthy .

Qoojo's picture

2019 is going to be his season!

Since '61's picture

Yes, in the AAF. Thanks, Since ‘61

gary g's picture

61 Thats a great line.

Since '61's picture

Thanks Gary! Since ‘61

Tarynfor12's picture

Been waiting for this since the day he was drafted and pounded the desk constantly during all the I'm wrong , name calling thrown at me...and not one thank you to the only person here that said Perry is NEVER going to be what you all hoped for...it's OK...I was right and all know it.
: )

Since '61's picture

Taryn - you were right and I'm happy to say Thank you Taryn. Since '61

4thand1's picture

Taryn on a roll especially with Fackrell making some noise.

Johnblood27's picture

and...

That makes ONCE.

Its like Kauai in here with all the unwanted crowing...

...and a bunch of chickens just pecking the ground.

LeotisHarris's picture

It must be an extremely satisfying and warm feeling for you, Taryn. Throw your head back and scream it loud and proud, "I WAS RIGHT AND I KNOW IT!" Go again, baby! That's it! Woo Hoo!

Is there an Old Country Buffet near you? If so, you should put on your best sleeveless shirt and head on over for some fine dining. Treat yourself, kid. These kinds of victories don't come along every day.

Dontworrygopackers's picture

i think all is well in packerland except for those idiots that suggest mike daniels should be let go. cheers to a great draft!

Coldworld's picture

If one is negative all the time it sets up a wide range of these “I was right” moments because football inevitably involves misses in significant numbers.

You have intersting insights at times, but I would be a lot more impressed and those would be more credible if you ever saw a positive in advance.

nostradanus's picture

Thanks Nick bye bye

Johnblood27's picture

Buh bye...

SterlingSharpe's picture

cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-draft-big-board-big-rise-for-notre-dame-prospects-in-post-combine-top-100/

Some interesting rankings....Ed Oliver and Tillery wow

DEFENSIVE LINE help in Rd 1?
Monster jump for Jerry Tillery who rocked his combine workout. I questioned his athleticism on film, but the Notre Dame star proved to be in the upper echelon of athletes for the defensive tackle position. At nearly 6-foot-7 and just under 300 pounds, he's a uniquely sized interior defensive lineman but has heavy, active hands, is strong against the run, and will consistently push the pocket.

Regarding Jeffery Simmons at No. 5 overall while he's nursing a torn ACL, I realized it was basically pointless to really ding him for an injury unlikely to impact him that far into his NFL career. He's just about as well-rounded as Quinnen Williams and has multiple dominant years on his resume in the SEC.

albert999's picture

Take Tillery at 44

jannes bjornson's picture

If he falls that far.

Dontworrygopackers's picture

id love tillery at 30, i agree

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

So far it sounds like the Smith brothers are getting about 30% of the total value of their contracts as signing bonuses. Sigh.

Well, they almost have to if GB is signing Smith, Smith, Amos, Turner, and probably Breeland with a tender for Allision still.

Guam's picture

Trying to make the numbers work TGR and they don't - at least from the initial reports. If the early reports are correct, Gute spent about $45 million in cap space ( P. Smith, $13; Z. Smith, $16; Amos, $9; and Turner, $7.5). He started with about $34+ million and has released Morrison and Perry which will save another $5+ million, so he has $39+ million. He needs about $5 million for the new draft class so he seems to about $11 million over with no in-season reserve.

If this is anywhere near correct, we have several more shoes to drop..... Tramon Williams ($4.75 million); Jimmy Graham, Brian Bulaga, etc. as well as no Breeland or Wilkinson. Appreciate any input on this.

Lare's picture

The Packers obviously know things that we don’t know. I’m assuming there will be other players released or agree to have their contracts restructured to lower their cap hit.

Coldworld's picture

Not sure the hit will be that straight forward. Since we don’t know the structure it’s too early to be sure.

Guam's picture

I'm sure they have a plan, but they probably aren't going to tell us about it either. I would love to figure out what the plan is - I guess I am just not patient enough to wait for it to unfold.

jannes bjornson's picture

Taylor at 5M plus.

Coldworld's picture

Taylor is cheap for a starter. Look at what Turner just got.

James Martins's picture

You're taking the average/year cap. Try to get only the cap hit for this year. P. Smith ($6M), Za'Darius Smith (I guess around $11M) , Adrian Amos ($5.9), Billy Turner ($4.9). that sums up $27.8. Leaving around $11M to sign the draft class, maybe Mark Ingram, and probably Ibraheim Campbell/Jake Ryan. I would say that for this year we are fine. But I am also worried about the future. The salary cap of those guys will go up next years, I hope Gute saved money for guys like Kenny Clark, Blake Martinez, David Bakhtiari and others. Dean Lowry and Kyler Frackel are probably gone next season.

Guam's picture

Thanks JM - couldn't find the first year detail when I posted.

Rak47's picture

The Packers were set to have a lot more cap space in 2020 than this year. That will obviously change somewhat with the current FA signings. But Perry's 14 million cap hit for next year is already gone and Gute can clear another 20 million by releasing Graham {11mi} and Daniels {9mil} after this year. That's 34 million cleared roughly with the release of 3 players. I could see them letting Daniels go next year if they draft a D-lineman like Oliver or Tillery and if our young guys continue to develop.

Coldworld's picture

I think you are right on Daniels just based on age and numbers on and off the field. I think Lowry might be resigned if he plays well this year. Fackrell will be interesting. then again, what do we expect from him this year?

Dash Riprock's picture

I've gone over the numbers and IMPrO I see Kyler Fackrell entering his biggest production year of his career. I have Fackrell at 14 to 16 sacks this season and that's with limited snaps. He's going to be a monster this year and be put in specific situations for maximum damage. Most people still see him as the Rodney Dangerfield of pass rushers but Master Mike Pettine knows exactly how to use all the pieces to the puzzle this season. We're talking top 5 defense this season.

Dash

Dzehren's picture

Bulaga $8M off the books free & clear in 2019? For sure in 2020.

dobber's picture

Nobody knows what's going to happen in a couple years when the CBA blows up and there's a (reportedly likely) work stoppage.

Rak47's picture

There's a complete breakdown of all 4 contracts on APC. Combined cap hit of 25 million this year for those 4 I believe it was.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Yes, but it is based on media reports of the money. Report that Preston Smith is getting $16M right away suggests his signing bonus is $16M, but it could be $12M with a $4M roster bonus.

I have had to try to re-create old contracts. I'd google media reports of "Woodson signs with Green Bay" and the articles would contradict each other and some prove to have clearly erroneous numbers.

Packer Fan's picture

Well, even be fore free agency started officially, Gute has signed major free agents to fill the holes. Letting Perry go is the right thing. His contract is even worse next year. Here was my original wish list. I think Gute read my list:
1. Dump Cobb and Perry to free cap space. Especially Perry as his cap hit is bad and gets worse each year. Done -- check
2. Sign good FA OLB – Houston ($15 mil), Then a FA OLB vet for depth ($5 mil) (could be Matthews) and draft Edge -Burns. Done -- check. BG signed two top level FA's.
3. TE: Keep Graham for one more year, draft Hockenson or Fant. Keep Tonyan. Done -- check. Let's see who BG drafts.
4. OL: Sign FA guard. Guy from Oakland if he gets cut. Then one more OL for depth. Draft OL in round two. Madison will never play. Done -- check. Starters are set. Let's see how the draft goes.
5. Safety: Sign a mid FA vet ($6 - $8 mil). Then draft a safety in rounds 4. Keep Williams as second safety. He will play better his second year playing that position. Consider moving Jackson. Done --check.
6. WR: Sign Humphries ($6 mil). Cobb is too old and expensive. Then draft Andy Isabella Rd 3. Brown and Scantling have enough potential and one should make a good jump in second year. Not done -- ran out of money. Draft Isabella.
7. Other FA signings: Keep Breeland ($6 - $8 mil) and Wilkerson. Wilkerson will be cheap ($3 mil). For DL a mid to late round draft pick. Not done -- Release Williams, sign Breeland and draft safety -- possible still.
8. Draft: Consider trading pick 30 for more 2nd and 3rd round picks. The signings allow for taking best player rather than need. Now that we don't have to draft an edge at pick 12, then we perhaps can trade down, get another 2nd or 3rd round pick, pick Hockenson first, the OL at 30, safety at 44, Isabella at extra pick with trading down and another edge at 75. Not sure on order, but what a haul!!

Jonathan Spader's picture

"5. Safety: Sign a mid FA vet ($6 - $8 mil). Then draft a safety in rounds 4. Keep Williams as second safety. He will play better his second year playing that position."

"7. Other FA signings: Keep Breeland ($6 - $8 mil) and Wilkerson. Wilkerson will be cheap ($3 mil). For DL a mid to late round draft pick. Not done -- Release Williams, sign Breeland and draft safety -- possible still."

9. Make a check list with no glaring contradictions within 2 points of one another -- failed

dobber's picture

Yeah, Humphries got about $9M aav.

BoCallahan's picture

My head is spinning. I can’t keep up with all the news! I love this season!

CAG123's picture

Packers can round out this FA class by signing Tevin Coleman.

4thand1's picture

There is joy in Packerland again.

White _tornado's picture

Why oh why did we hold onto "the Sizzler" so long? Gute has made the offseason fun again.

Gutes first draft: looks like we may have found a few real players. No headscratchers where we find ourselves asking WTF is that?

Hope Gute nails his 2nd draft as well ! Ted you stink! GO GUTE!!

Irish_Cheesehead's picture

Wow, is it Christmas today? Haven't had this much fun in the off-season for many years!

Dontworrygopackers's picture

if u do the math with the old school calender and the gregorian one u get christmas march 12.

bartstarrfan's picture

That tweet you posted should have said, "...healthy *for now*" He's been healthy before; he just never stays that way for long.

Ferrari Driver's picture

Aaron, I was expecting solid play from Perry when he was drafted. I didn't expect him to be a super star, but he failed miserably. While he was often injured, his play in the last couple of years was disappointing and it felt as if he was simply taking plays off. I am really pleased that Gute decided to move on and not pay the multi-million dollar bonus due this month.

Minniman's picture

Some really interesting points from other sites that I'd like to share here for comment:

1) While the terms of each contract are still speculation, it's safe to say that there's more cuts and restructuring to happen at the Packers in order to consume these contracts AND the Draft class........ watch this space!

2) A number of the teams above the Packers in the draft order that are noted as being "in need" of Pass Rushers haven't made many FA Edge splashes - Yet. Leading to the hypothesis that they see their solution in the draft, and thereby meaning that there may be a run on Edge defenders early in the draft........

........ which means that the Packers #12 pick may see the edge guys available there as too risky for that number - and that either a trade or BPA is the more likely scenario for that pick.

GVPacker's picture

Wow Gute is really make things happen, Ted Thompson is spiting up his apple sauce!

albert999's picture

OBJ TO CLEVELAND
WOW

Coldworld's picture

At one heck of a cost. Big gamble on a talent but seemingly one with some collateral issues that soured the pot in NY. One heck of a receiving corps there though.

flackcatcher's picture

Free agents usually don't get signed unless there was some downside on their first teams. While these are ne signings to plug obvious holes, lets not get to high until we see what Gute goes in the draft. For all this talk, this still is a draft and develop league.

Coldworld's picture

I agree. That said, I feel a lot more confident that he has given himself the chance to draft on a BPA basis untrammeled by the baggage of prior roster black holes.

That doesn’t guarantee success but it certainly improves the odds. All GMs miss. The good ones miss a little less. Those improved odds are important.

HankScorpio's picture

I definitely agree that the Packers have done well to minimize the need to draft edge or Safety early. They still can do so but they don't have to do so.

I hope by the time we hit the draft, I can say the same about OL and TE. Given their choice of FA signing and their apparent desire to keep Graham at a ridiculously overpriced contract, I'm not optimistic.

James Martins's picture

I hope Za'Darius Smith is worth the money, $16.5M/year is a lot. I Also think Billy Turner price was a bit too high. I am good with Preston Smith and Adrian Amos. Go Pack Go

Coldworld's picture

Sounds like Denver tried to keep Turner. Packers must believe he has potential over and above his past record. Given that he has played out of preferred position (G) a lot, it’s possible that he does.

Big Moe's picture

Yes, finally.

Archie's picture

Packer fans seem happy today to be rid of TT and many of the guys he signed, especially on defense.

OTOH, I have to think of Russ Ball as well. He signed these guys to these incredible 2nd contracts. Too bad Murph loves the guy so much, I think he is more part of of the problem than the solution.

And John Dorsey, is he a helluva GM or what - GB, KC and now CLE. What do they all have in common? Just win baby! Did he het that from Wolfie? Me thinks so.

Not to say Gutey is chopped liver. I'm still liking him as he had a big day yesterday. Maybe he and Pettine can finally get this defense back to respectability. I've never felt a weak defense and GB goes together. Think back to yesteryear and 66 manning the middle, surrounded by HOF guys on all three levels. Maybe that is the new direction for this team. LaFleur wants to bring back the run and Gutey/Pettine wants to bring back the defense. If we can keep the one thing we have been doing right, the pass, we could be in synch again. I like a balanced team that is very good on all fronts. That is the goal. How the Pats achieve it year and year out is quite remarkable.

dobber's picture

"OTOH, I have to think of Russ Ball as well. He signed these guys to these incredible 2nd contracts. Too bad Murph loves the guy so much, I think he is more part of of the problem than the solution."

BG is responsible for building the roster and, if anything about the previous structure still holds, gets final approval of contracts. Russ Ball doesn't operate in a vacuum. While that was true under TT, I can't help but wonder if maybe TT's desire to groom Ball (or what appeared to be the case) left Ball with too much latitude.

As for these contracts, I really don't see that they're out of line with the market in terms of value. Amos and the Smiths seem to be in line with their comps. Turner? He's the wild card so far, but Milt Hendrickson is supposed to be the great OL evaluator, and I can't imagine that Turner didn't get a vote of confidence from him. We'll have to wait and see how he pans out.

jannes bjornson's picture

Although Ball is s part of the silo committee, it looks like Gutekunst is now in charge of the personnel and the contracts given out.

cheesycowboy's picture

I hope Matthews is not out on moving inside with Martinez. That pass rush and run support with the defensive line would be formidable.

sam1's picture

Watch Perry turn out to be a monster from here on in! Seems that happens more often than we expect!

HoLeCrap's picture

Thanks gutt for a great birthday present. Ted t`s presents on March 12th led to heavy use of alcohol. Not just for me but many fans too. Looks like a much improved team next year and we didn't even get to the draft yet. Special thanks for kicking Perry to the curb.

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