Packers release Josh Jones

The 61st overall pick in the 2017 draft could not find a consistent role for the Packers.

What a long, strange trip it's been.

My guess is that they tried to trade him but found no takers. 

The 61st overall pick in the 2017 draft, Jones could not find a consistent role for the Packers and had reportedly requested a trade earlier this offseason.

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flackcatcher's picture

August 25, 2019 at 07:34 am

No comment.

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KenEllis's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:22 am

Clinton-Dix #1 2014, Randall #1 2015, Rollins #2 2015, and now Jones #2 2017.

Thompson sure expended a lot of recent and premium draft capital on CBs & Ss who are no longer in Green and Gold.

Epic failure.

Here's hoping King starts validating Ted's decision to bypass TJ Watt sometime soon.

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jeepingmakooi's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:27 am

Seriously still talking about watt... Let it go..

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Swisch's picture

August 25, 2019 at 11:53 am

Watt's up?
;-)

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MITM's picture

August 25, 2019 at 06:05 pm

lets replace the Watt for King talk with Spriggs over Deion Jones chatter

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Swisch's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:46 am

To make matters worse, we let go of very good defensive backs in Casey Hayward and Micah Hyde,
Plus, as I understand it, Randall played well for the Browns after we let him go.
On the plus side; Nowadays we seem to be getting some exciting and promising players in the defensive backfield. Although it make take some time for them to develop individually and as a unit, it should be fun to watch!
I'm hoping for a fair number of dashing interceptions to help offset the youthful mistakes.

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CAG123's picture

August 25, 2019 at 11:14 am

Can y’all stop with the Casey Hayward crap don’t let his success as a ZONE corner fool you I guess nobody remembers when the Packers were playing him in man in 2015 and he was getting burnt like toast which is the reason he was replaced by Randall. He wasn’t a scheme fit so the Packers let him walk he was great in the slot but that’s all he provided not to mention his TO were steadily decreasing. Hell the Chiefs had a wild hair up their ass and tried using in man coverage against Tyreek Hill of all people and what ensued was one of the most embarrassing blow by TDs I’ve ever seen. So please knock it off with the Casey Hayward talk.

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Swisch's picture

August 25, 2019 at 11:52 am

And yet Hayward managed to make the pro bowl twice, including a season in which he led the NFL in interceptions.
Remember, it's up to coaches to utilize (and motivate) players in a way that maximizes their abilities. That may well be the reason Randall improved last season with the Browns.

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Qoojo's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:24 pm

Everyone conveniently forgets that Hayward played in 3 games his second year with GB, before going to IR. He had a great rookie year with 6 INTs. Then the next three years combined, he had 3 INTs, and 14 PDs. Everyone remembers it as he was this stunning CB in GB that was let go.

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Swisch's picture

August 25, 2019 at 01:52 pm

Qoojo, it's not that I remember Hayward as being a stunning CB, but that I wonder about the way he was coached in Green Bay, personally and professionally.
However, as I noted above in the spirit of positivity, there seem to be good reasons to hope things are changing for the better in our defensive backfield.

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dobber's picture

August 26, 2019 at 07:14 am

And there's the rub.

There was really not much indication that he was going to turn into the player he is for the Chargers in GB under that coaching staff and scheme. He flashed early, but was competent otherwise. It happens all the time: players are drafted into a system or role that doesn't fit their talents well. Teams aren't often going to change their scheme to match a single player...rather they mold players to fit within the scheme.

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Unglued's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:20 pm

Here's my perspective on these.

Letting Micah Hyde go was a miscalculation, and poor decision at time, and poor decision in hind sight. He wasn't going to break bank and always delivered for team. Bad front office decision any way you cut it.

Casey Hayward was a tough call, but understandable at the time. Once Sheild's Packers career was ended in week 1 in Jacksonville, letting Hayward walk looked real bad, but hindsight there. If Shields plays and stayed on his current trajectory, I'm not sure people would be so salty and hard on front office about Hayward decision.

Randall, for whatever reason was not considered a good fit, so I don't fault the decision there (you got to make the decisions as you see them in moment), sometimes decisions are made for more than just what's on the surface.

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D.D.Driver's picture

August 26, 2019 at 11:50 am

Randall was not let go. Gute traded him for [checks notes] Deshone Kizer....

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GatorJason's picture

August 25, 2019 at 02:12 pm

Take Damarious Randall off that list. He was a safety at ASU. He is a quality safety at Cleveland. We drafted Savage this year to fill in a hole that could have been Randall if the Packers had put him in the role he performed well at ASU.

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porupack's picture

August 25, 2019 at 04:03 pm

Quality contribution, Gator.

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PatrickGB's picture

August 25, 2019 at 07:35 am

That’s strange, but not really unexpected. His “injury” might have been his pride.

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Branden Burke's picture

August 25, 2019 at 09:24 am

His illness was them trying to trade him. Easier to recover from an illness than an injury for perspective buyers.

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stockholder's picture

August 25, 2019 at 07:40 am

Another Bust. Making noise will get you out of Green Bay. Insubordination is the game. Randall, Monty, Spriggs, Jones. So many going. Foolish to think it's over yet.

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2019 at 08:39 am

Making a noise perhaps, but if ever a player had a path opened for him to start it was Jones this year and he could not show up even then. Epitome of addition by subtraction even after injuries. Not surprised no one else wanted to trade for him.

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Bearmeat's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:56 am

He's got the tools though. If he goes and pulls a Hayward after leaving GB, I'm going to be upset.

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Unglued's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:23 pm

To me this is good decision, Josh Jones needed to move on, so even if he does well down the road, still good decision based on what we know. It's easy to go through life and critique things 20/20, but regardless of what happens, good call by front office here, need to move on. If he does well, then I'm happy for him, it's OK.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:46 pm

Read and react not his strong point. NFL is another story for the RAS masters.

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dobber's picture

August 25, 2019 at 01:15 pm

Sure, but it's starting to look like he wasn't going to do it IN GB.

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2019 at 04:35 pm

All the tools? No. All the athleticism but no sign of awareness/recognition.

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SmallmouthBass's picture

August 25, 2019 at 07:40 am

Too bad we couldn't find value for him in a trade. For his young family's sake, I hope he finds an income to support them. It might not be football if he fails his next opportunity elsewhere.

Take care Josh

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4zone's picture

August 25, 2019 at 08:07 am

The dude made more in a year than I do in 10. Not worried about his income.

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SmallmouthBass's picture

August 25, 2019 at 08:16 am

Yeah well that money will disappear fast if he doesn't adjust his lifestyle. Not making a NFL income can change how luxurious and flashy he might live. Did I mention he just had a child? But I don't care at the the end of the day

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Branden Burke's picture

August 25, 2019 at 09:31 am

He is still getting paid for the next 2 years. They have dead money from the deal.

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2019 at 09:53 am

He was not on a guaranteed contract. Think he is currently unwaged.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:48 pm

His bonus money. They saved 300K off the Cap in 2019.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:54 pm

That's not how dead money works. If it's dead money that means they already paid it. He has been paid everything he is going to be paid, and now this year we eat, on the cap whatever bonus money was still amortized as a cap hit next year.

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GatorJason's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:16 am

"Flashy lifestyle" You mean like J'Mon Moore driving a (slightly dented) white Mercedes Benz? Now he might have to turn that puppy in and get a used car or whatever people can afford on PS wages.

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SmallmouthBass's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:24 pm

I didn't forget about him don't worry haha... Look at all the flashy jewlery he wears too--- *ChaChingg*

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Nick Perry's picture

August 25, 2019 at 09:39 am

Sure he did...But after the agents get their cut, taxes, children and maybe a wife...Trust and believe that s### is going FAST!

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Tarynfor12's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:30 am

Who cares...He had an opportunity to secure a financial status for him and family and shrugged his shoulders at it the moment he demanded a trade as if he was an elite player.
I feel the same for players who have earned millions and squandered it..You had the opportunity to be on easy street or much easier than most and YOU blew it...do they really care about every day people who lose their jobs etc...no.
Wasted talent-Wasted opportunity =No Sympathy.
Can't feel sorry for everybody in the world....leave that crap for fools of the Blue Party who really don't care either...chumps.
He'll find a job like anyone else in the real world and if he doesn't , that's on him also.
Like Dalton said in ' Roadhouse '...." There's always barber college."

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SmallmouthBass's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:31 pm

I literally said "at the end of the day I don't care" can you read?

I'm just trying to be a decent human being and point his well being in general and the family he has to raise, by writing out a general farewell letter message. Now please CALM DOWN.

And don't bring politics here either, nobody here for that

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Tarynfor12's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:38 pm

SmallmouthBass's picture
SmallmouthBass says:
August 25, 2019 at 07:40 am

Too bad we couldn't find value for him in a trade. For his young family's sake, I hope he finds an income to support them. It might not be football if he fails his next opportunity elsewhere.

Take care Josh

This is the comment I responded to....can you read...where does it say..At the end of the day...

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SmallmouthBass's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:43 pm

There's a reply to 4zone, right underneath my comment. cant miss it.

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Tarynfor12's picture

August 25, 2019 at 01:25 pm

Doesn't matter....that reply to 4zone is an after comment and before I could refresh for updated comments.

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Rebecca's picture

August 25, 2019 at 02:01 pm

What’s this Blue Party you bring up? Are we supposed to guess what you’re adding to the discussion?

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Qoojo's picture

August 25, 2019 at 02:12 pm

Keep your moronic politics out of here.

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porupack's picture

August 25, 2019 at 04:29 pm

Tfor12
Once in a while you have good posts, but then there are too many of these. Keep your political prejudices off here, even the non-stupid ones.

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WinUSA's picture

August 25, 2019 at 07:42 am

I thought he was playing pretty decent against Oakland...until I fell asleep.

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sonomaca's picture

August 25, 2019 at 07:54 am

Wouldn’t be surprised to see him on a “bad boy” team like Oakland, Dallas, NE, Cleveland, KC, Seattle or Cincy.

Just goes to show that second rounders are much less a “sure-thing” than first rounders. See Spriggs, and maybe King, and maybe Josh Jackson.

We will almost surely be claiming players next week.

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2019 at 08:40 am

Bad behavior, but he is just bad play with an attitude.

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Bure9620's picture

August 25, 2019 at 08:45 am

But HE thinks he's really good.....

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Bure9620's picture

August 25, 2019 at 07:53 am

Interesting.......Gute moves.....no longer surprised

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:51 pm

Build a team, not a soap opera.

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scoonie_penn's picture

August 25, 2019 at 07:58 am

RAS warrior... next up RAS Titan R Gary. Hey Gute, take football players who have high RAS not high RAS who might be able to play football. RAS gawd, Renaldo "Skeets" Nehemiah was a world class sprinter/athlete but a marginal football player...

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2019 at 08:40 am

Who drafted him? Fail.

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jeepingmakooi's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:31 am

This is a horrible take... A rookie playing a brand new position... Who hasn't played a single snap of real NFL football in the real defensive scheme.. and your calling him a bust...

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Swisch's picture

August 25, 2019 at 11:06 am

"Bullet Bob" Hayes went from fastest man in the world with a gold medal in the 100 meters in the 1964 Olympics to a Hall-of-Famer with the Cowboys.
As usual, we would do well to look at these guys on an individual, case-by-case basis -- and to be patient with them in their youth.

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sonomaca's picture

August 25, 2019 at 08:03 am

With Luck’s retirement, Colts might need Kizer.

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Unglued's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:26 pm

Need him for what?

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GatorJason's picture

August 25, 2019 at 02:26 pm

Deshone Kizer to the Colts may not be a stretch. He played at ND so the Colts may use that angle to appease the fans until they can find a legitimate QB replacement.

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Nick Perry's picture

August 26, 2019 at 06:05 am

Not if the Indy fans have been paying attention to the Packers the last 2 seasons... ; )

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4zone's picture

August 25, 2019 at 08:09 am

Colts gonna offer Kaepernick now?

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Bure9620's picture

August 25, 2019 at 08:17 am

This is also insteresting because it gives some legs to the possibilty Gute is indeed in the trade market for a RB. He may have had Jones on the block and when talks broke down, released him.

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

August 25, 2019 at 08:33 am

When the Packers release a player early to help him find a new team I consider it a classy move to benefit a player who has given his all to the Packers and just doesn't fit any more. I don't put Jones in that category. Since there's only one cut down date now, I would have waited until then to release Jones and let him scramble to find a team with all the others released on that day.

And Josh, what's 'been real' is a second round pick who did nothing but disappoint "demand" a trade.

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2019 at 08:42 am

I agree but I think injuries probably tipped the balance here. Team better off letting him go rather than someone who can fill a spot next Thursday.

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Branden Burke's picture

August 25, 2019 at 09:37 am

It became pretty obvious by about week 8 of his rookie year that he was going to struggle. Teams were targeting him in coverage. And they were winning at a ridiculous rate. If you play safety in this NFL, you have to be able to cover better than a bad inside linebacker.

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

August 25, 2019 at 09:47 am

Coldworld, I'm not sure what your point is. I certainly wasn't advocating the Packers keep him, I just preferred they wait until cut down date, August 31st. Also the Packers have two spots open on their roster now, before releasing Jones.

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2019 at 09:55 am

I was really saying that I think that they would have but that they needed the free spots due to injuries more than waiting another week as would have been entirely appropriate in his case.

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Unglued's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:38 pm

To what end? To be a distraction? To string him on? Once you "know" you are going to cut someone, the best thing to do is cut them. Other players on team likely are already known to not be on 53, but any of them have a chance for PS I believe, or to be called by Packers down the road. Hall was cut, why, because it was determined he was not going to be part of the team, same with Jones, move on, foolish to drag it on, it would only hurt both parties to keep him at this point.

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Nick Perry's picture

August 25, 2019 at 09:51 am

"And Josh, what's 'been real' is a second round pick who did nothing but disappoint "demand" a trade."

Jones is the type of player who blames EVERYBODY else for anything happening to him in life refusing to look at himself. EVERY TIME he's busy pointing a finger he has three pointing back at himself.

Jones will be out of the NFL within 2 years always blaming someone or something else for his lot in life.

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2019 at 09:58 am

He is on a rookie contract: not costly and no guarantees yet nobody would send a player they will likely cut or a conditional pick. Pretty telling.

He is now on waivers, it will be interesting to see if he is claimed. If he isn’t, I think he may be headed to the XFL or CFL or to a new career.

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Rebecca's picture

August 25, 2019 at 02:05 pm

Big leap there!

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Daren726's picture

August 25, 2019 at 08:35 am

“Bye boy bye, middle fingers up”

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Bure9620's picture

August 25, 2019 at 08:36 am

Classy

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 25, 2019 at 08:43 am

There are two better options on the roster for backups Safety. No need to keep an attitude problem around any longer.

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2019 at 09:22 am

Campbell isn’t available though. Greene is also Amos’ back up. That’s pretty thin, particularly if the 3rd safety sees the field more with a Burks and Bolton both down.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:12 am

Agreed, but I like how Natrell Jameson has been playing. And Trey Matthews didn't look any worse than Josh Jones. It was time to cut bait.

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:57 pm

Not anywhere close to agreeing on Jamerson. He has looked really disappointing to me. I don’t think he makes the roster. Matthews flashed a bit. I do agree that he is the only possible internal candidate in the ILB 3 type role.

That said, I’m not confident Matthews is any better than Jones and Jones didn’t look good enough.

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August 25, 2019 at 05:06 pm

Tramon is the fourth safety until Campbell clears the PUP. Then, keep Sullivan as the additional CB along with Hollman.

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dobber's picture

August 26, 2019 at 07:17 am

Agreed. The CB prospects are better than the S prospects. TWill gives them that flexibility.

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packerbackerjim's picture

August 25, 2019 at 08:47 am

Addition by subtraction.

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dobber's picture

August 25, 2019 at 08:51 am

Sadly, yes.

Too bad they couldn't find any takers for him in trade, but it seemed inevitable.

Eyes forward.

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Qoojo's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:51 pm

Had issues in coverage, and was too inexperienced or just bad at the hybrid LB role. Not sure if more time would have corrected the inexperience.

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Rebecca's picture

August 25, 2019 at 02:06 pm

But first there was division by addition.

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Qoojo's picture

August 25, 2019 at 02:13 pm

or is it subtraction by addition?

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GatorJason's picture

August 25, 2019 at 09:55 am

Put this one squarely on shoulders of Packers Scouting Dept.

In the 2016 ACC All Conference listings for Safety, Josh was not 1st Team, 2nd Team, or 3rd Team. Hell, he was not even among four honorable mention safeties. From the ACC coach’s view, Josh Jones was not even listed among the ACC’s top ten safeties! Yet, the Packers drafted Josh in the 2nd Rd of the 2017 draft.

The reason why Josh was drafted in 2nd round was based solely on his athletic numbers: 6'2" 220 and a 4.41 40.

Below is an article about him after he had a poor 2015 season.
It shows this kid worked hard to improve himself but even back then, he lacked the basic instincts to play safety. This is Gute's area of responsibility and we see the Packers continue to emphasize player athletic prowess over player performance and conference coaching evaluations. Thank goodness the Packers are also giving UDFA players with good performance numbers a chance to compete and fill in areas where the drafted players came up short.

Cannot put link in. Google : ‘Humbled’ Jones hopes to get back on track for Wolfpack defense

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Nick Perry's picture

August 25, 2019 at 09:47 am

I put this SQUARELY on Ted Thompson's shoulders and NO ONE ELSE!!!!!

It's looking like 2017 is just another HUGE bust of a draft. Thank God we took 10 swings at it and still have 4 of the choices.

BUT...We're still HOPING Kevin King can somehow stay on the field.

M. Adams continues to grow.

Aaron Jones stays on the field for at least 14 or so games and is there for a playoff run

Jamal Williams...MEH...

So far it's ONLY been Jones who looks like a great pick. But he HAS to stay on the field!

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:01 am

It is amazing how many seem not to recall even recent history.

I do expect Jamaal to thrive in the passing game this year. MM proved he had skills there and then stopped using him in that capacity.

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Ahgreen30's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:40 am

This is absolute proof that the 2 IDIOTS, Thompson, and Gutty are the poster children for horrid General Management! King, and Jackson are BUSTS too! Moron #2 Gutty is the one that pushed Josh Jones to moron #1 Ted Thompson!! The ENTIRE Packer front office up to and including Murphy is an utter train wreck!!

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:59 pm

Much of that train is in Cleveland.

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August 25, 2019 at 01:05 pm

and bitter because nepotism didn't work out.

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dobber's picture

August 26, 2019 at 07:18 am

Seems to me that Jackson actually was OK last year for a rookie CB, and showed well against the Raiders in his first PS action last week.

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

August 25, 2019 at 09:53 am

Thumbs up from me on that post, GatorJason, except for (as Nick Perry wrote) attributing the pick to Gutekunst when Thompson was in charge of that draft.

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Ahgreen30's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:50 am

Go back and research it. Gutty pushed hard for idiot Thompson to pick Josh Jones

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Since'61's picture

August 25, 2019 at 11:42 am

What are the sources that we can research that Gute pushed for Josh Jones? Thanks, Since ‘61

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The_Justicar's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:17 pm

Internet posts is the “source” along with various other conspiracy theories.

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Qoojo's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:47 pm

Plus, irrational hate and bad memory. As a fan you can say every player was a mistake, and be right every time, unless the player turns into a blue chipper like pro-bowler/HoFer, because, using hindsight, you can always say player Z selected afterward, who had a better career, was the correct player to take.

I like Gute more than TT, because at the end, TT seemed to pick a lot of players and move them to new positions, and/or were simply consensus reaches at the time.

Every draft pick is a gamble, and if you GM long enough, you are going to have some misses. Due to the nature of gambling, you can go on a losing streak. When that happens, the GM is generally gone, unless you own the team (aka Jerry Jones).

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dobber's picture

August 26, 2019 at 07:19 am

How many scouts pushing how many players at one time for each pick? The buck stops with TT. He made the call.

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2019 at 01:00 pm

Two people liked that fantasy?

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GatorJason's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:22 pm

TJV, thanks for thumbs up.

For the record, I don't know if Gutekunst pushed Jones onto Thompson. I do vividly recall reports that the personnel department were telling McCarthy and staff that they were going to like this kid. It was soon after UDFA Kentrell Brice was lighting people up in a desperate attempt to make the team. The thought of a physical, ultra fast tandem of Brice and Jones made them giddy. Unfortunately, the personnel department was completely oblivious to the fact that neither player had good field awareness. That is a huge deficiency for a safety and why Brice was a UDFA and Jones got zero All Conference recognition within the ACC. This is a pure and simple "Fail" on personnel department of which Gutekunst was a prominent and influential member when this selection was made.

We know Gutekunst drafts players with high RAS scores. He just needs to make sure these players have heart and field awareness/football intelligence to go with athleticism. The first two are non-negotiable. Athleticism is a bonus.

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Ahgreen30's picture

August 25, 2019 at 03:13 pm

Idiot Ted's drafts started to get really bad in the 2012-2013 time frame. Moron Murphy was completely asleep at the wheel not noticing the communication firewalls between scouts and coaches who have their respective schemes. Hence ALWAYS picking players on defense that weren't a good fit (or worse-basketball players). The more I think about and research it the Board should have fired the moron Murphy around 2015 time frame. He's the author of the current Green Bay $hit show up to and including his boggling of who to pick as the current GM! The dumb a$$ Murphy wanted the "accountant" Russ Ball to be GM!! That's akin to George Costanza being GM of the Yankees!! People, the reason that Cleveland suddenly is on the upswing is they have the best EX GB scouts over there and we at Green Bay were left with the $hit from the bottom of the barrel! It's SO inept and dis functional it's almost comical!! Murphy needs to GO NOW!

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dobber's picture

August 26, 2019 at 07:20 am

Take a breath, dude.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 25, 2019 at 01:02 pm

Gutekunst scouted the southeast region. He had the highlight reel of Jones in McCarthy's office to show his potential. He pushed for Jones as his guy. The Pack was in desperate remodel mode with the basketball player and Brice as your safeties--yikes! Jones played as a rover back for the highly rated Wolfpack defense, but he was not a cover safety. He was a projection that did not launch.

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Ahgreen30's picture

August 25, 2019 at 03:37 pm

Exactly right! Go back and look at idiot Teds drafts from 2012-2016. Simply, simply HORRIBLE (outside of Clark, Martinez). Murphy was totally blind and consumed with building toboggan hills and didn't realize it was COMPLETELY broken under him!!

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Lphill's picture

August 25, 2019 at 09:43 am

If Jones feelings were hurt because the Packers drafted Savage and signed Amos then he should have proved on the field that he was capable of playing , instead he felt disrespected and became disgruntled, he needs to grow up if he wants to continue in the NFL .

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Thebearsstillsuck's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:04 am

Because we have a roster full of turds. Failed draft picks and undrafted free agents. It's beyond ridiculous how poorly TTs last few drafts were.

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:10 am

I always though we would be lucky to get anyone to give anything for J Jones. There is enough tape out there and GMs don’t like troublemakers, particularly ones who haven’t shown the ability to play.

It will be interesting to see if a team will pick up his contract through a waiver claim. It’s not impossible that no team will. If so, will anyone want him at minimum pay?
Possibly, but not certainly.

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dobber's picture

August 26, 2019 at 07:22 am

...so, in the last 20 months or so since BG became GM...

Pipkins for Morrison wasn't a trade?
Monty for a pick wasn't a trade?
Randall for Kizer wasn't a trade?
HHCD for a pick wasn't a trade?
None of the pick swaps in those two drafts were trades?

...I feel like I'm missing something...

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ShooterMcGee's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:09 am

This is more evidence to the reason we find the team lacking in talent. The last 4-5 years we have wasted numerous high draft picks when we were a strictly draft and develop team. At least this year FA have finally been signed to fill the void.

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:11 am

And we have started to acquire players that can develop behind that.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:24 am

Amen!

Separately, and so many got upset with Rodgers behavior last year. Can you imagine playing for the Packers when the front office was in shambles and poor draft pick after draft pick combined with the team not selecting top FA's? That the front office kept putting more and more pressure on your shoulders because of their ineptness. Such a shame but finally back on track!

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 25, 2019 at 01:04 pm

Just ask Favre.

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4thand1's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:22 am

Give us guys that want to be here and play.

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Galacticat's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:26 am

The player taken *immediately* after 2nd round DB bust Quinton Rollins? Frank Clark, DE - one of the best players at his position in the NFL. The player taken *immediately* after 2nd round DB bust Josh Jones? Ju Ju Smith-Schuster - one of the best players at his position in the NFL.

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jeepingmakooi's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:38 am

And who did we have on the roster in those spots at the day in de and wr vs saftey... Position value is a real thing when you draft... Best player available in a position of need is real... If the best player is a de for the first three rounds in your spot you gonna just draft de?

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sonomaca's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:42 am

I would say yes. Draft the best players available, and use free agency to fill in the rest.

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jeepingmakooi's picture

August 25, 2019 at 11:36 am

So.. if your saftey room sucks hard.. and your dline is pretty good.. your just gonna leave the safety as a shit position and load up on de who won't play and waste high picks on guys you can't even give a shit to play and blow huge money on free agent players and have a broke franchise.... ?

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 25, 2019 at 01:07 pm

The best way to get stability in that Safety position was to acquire a veteran. Ergo, Gutekunst bagged Amos this Spring and reduced Pettine's stress levels 30 clicks.

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dobber's picture

August 26, 2019 at 07:23 am

30 clicks? I thought it went to 11.

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sonomaca's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:40 am

Drafting is pretty much everything, which is why Rashan Gary pick is so worrisome.

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jeepingmakooi's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:45 am

Like I said above he is a rookie. Playing in a new position... And you have yet to see him play in the real defense in a real game... Give him time my god

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JohnnyLogan's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:53 am

He had an entire college career to show he was worth a #12 pick and didn't show it. He's had an entire preseason for us to view how he moves, and he's shown to be stiff. Another RAS warrior who runs fast in a straight line.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 25, 2019 at 01:11 pm

He was projected to the # 6 spot. Mayock liked my guy Ferrell. Gettleman needed a QB and had another one pick to play for depth later. Who was the guy the Fans wanted in the place of a 277# dude with 4.6 speed?
Fant, Burns, the one year wonder from O State? Wilkens was there but the Pack has Clark. Sweat is lanky and a good rush guy, but will not be able to hold the edge or go inside like Gary. Pettine does not run Dom's scheme.

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dobber's picture

August 26, 2019 at 07:27 am

Ultimately, all we have to work with is draftniks and their projections. We can watch film, but most of us aren't nearly as knowledgeable as some of those guys...and none of the draftniks are GMs.

GMs don't let their draft boards out. What the guys who make the picks think is always a mystery until these guys are on the clock. It's all fantasy football for us. It's the jobs of these GMs to do their best to be right every time. That's a lot of pressure.

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ShooterMcGee's picture

August 25, 2019 at 10:56 am

I am not a scout but like following the draft. The only player I didnt want at 12 we took. Please let us be wrong about Gary, however, these athletic freaks like him and Josh Jones sometimes never develop into good football players. Then there are guys like Chase Winovich, Gary's teammate, who may not have the RAS score but play balls out(taken in round 3 by the Pats). Hindsight is 20/20.

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Thebearsstillsuck's picture

August 25, 2019 at 11:40 am

I agree on the only player I didn't want. On a team with this many holes, all i wanted was a plug and play starter. Even if it meant sacrificing a little bit on the upside to get someone with a higher floor to start out with. I would have been ok with a WR, TE, RB, OT, D lineman, MLB, S. I just didn't want another injured guy, another conversion project, and another guy where the game tape doesn't match the measurables. Gutekunst managed to roll all that into one. I hated the pick with a passion at the time, warmed up to it for about 30 seconds, and probably hate it more now than I first did.

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2019 at 01:02 pm

Wonder who was taken immediately after Davante, A Jones, D Bakh and K Clark and so on and so on?

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dobber's picture

August 25, 2019 at 01:24 pm

Drafting in restrospect is easy.

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porupack's picture

August 25, 2019 at 04:12 pm

sweet, cworld!

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splitpea1's picture

August 25, 2019 at 01:27 pm

That's just awful, isn't it? Kind of makes you sick. 32 sacks over the last three seasons for Clark, and 1426 yards/7 TDs for Smith-Schuster year. It didn't take much time at all for either one to develop and produce.

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jeepingmakooi's picture

August 25, 2019 at 11:21 am

You guys must not have listened to the locked on podcast where garys d cord. From Michigan talked about how he was used ... Be a good fan... Do your research and learn about a player.. he didn't get his attention by being a shit player.

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Thebearsstillsuck's picture

August 25, 2019 at 11:42 am

No, he got his attention from being an athletic freak. If there weren't questions about his playing abilities, he wouldn't have made it out of the top 5.

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jeepingmakooi's picture

August 25, 2019 at 06:20 pm

That's a shit take too... QB damn near always go 1 overall or too 4-5... Bosa had a good career and has family name attached to him. Gary was scouted #1 out of high school and scouted high for the draft.. dont agree with your take at all... Baker had a Slee of questions and went number 1...

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Since'61's picture

August 25, 2019 at 11:46 am

Good move Gute. Keep chucking guys who can’t play. Move on from the TT era and send a message to the rest of the team.

If you don’t or can’t perform you won’t be here. Thanks, Since ‘61

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 25, 2019 at 01:25 pm

Hall of Fame players come from every level of the draft and UDFAs like Willie Wood and Johnny Randall. Some guys just cannot handle the PRO Game.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 25, 2019 at 12:19 pm

It seems Jones was getting buried on the S depth chart behind Savage, Amos, The Raven, probably Jamerson and soon Campbell (once activated) who Pettine is high on.

And if Jones was all surly and negative about playing ILB full time, what would the 5th or 6th S expect would happen?

It is too bad because Jones could tackle fairly well....just couldn’t cover in space...lousy instincts and positioning.

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dobber's picture

August 25, 2019 at 08:57 pm

He decided he didn't want to play the position he was best-suited to play. In some ways I can understand: the abuse of taking on OL regularly could shorten a career, or perhaps lead to repeated concussions. I can't help but think he's jumping ship in GB only to land in the same situation somewhere else....only I don't think he sees that.

I wonder who is whispering in his ear?

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Ustabeayooper's picture

August 25, 2019 at 01:02 pm

Every player is drafted on potential. The value of a player is based on what they can become at the next level. Not many players are drafted to start immediately. By the third year, you know what you have. Jones didn't develop as anticipated, so he was let go. It's the same for every team. Lots of draft picks don't develop and can be considered "busts". The whole draft analysis "business" is a simple way to pass the dead season until the season begins. Preseason weeds out the non performers no matter where, when or if they were drafted. All the angst over draft position is overblown.

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BuckyDaBadger's picture

August 25, 2019 at 02:00 pm

Common thread with all of these DB's that didn't work out in GB, with some of them prospering elsewhere....Joe Whitt. Whitt is gone now, lets see what happens.

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Demon's picture

August 25, 2019 at 02:34 pm

In Ted we trust, oh wait.......

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Rossonero's picture

August 25, 2019 at 05:02 pm

Not surprised, but the timing of it is a little unusual. I thought he'd get cut after camp. it just goes to show that athletic players do not always have the best football IQ.

Ironically, Gutekunst introduced him to the media in 2017. You can find his speech on YouTube.

Jones always had a sense of entitlement...and there were red flags based on some of his comments early on.

What. A. Waste.

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Pierre's picture

August 25, 2019 at 05:37 pm

Really thought they would keep Jones and use him some downs on the mlb position. He seemed physical enough for it especially with the injuries there. Guess the attitude he had was just too disruptive to tolerate on the team.

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PAPackerbacker's picture

August 25, 2019 at 07:13 pm

It came as no surprise to me that Jones is gone. His attitude and lack of applying his playing skills is what got him released. He never lived up to expectations. He thought he had a right to be on the team just because he was a high draft choice instead of earning a starting job by beating out the competition. If he felt disrespected it was because of his own actions, not the Packers organization. No position is guaranteed because of a draft order. One must earn it. Jones just didn't work hard enough to earn that spot on the 53 man roster. Maybe he will do good on another team, but I have my doubts.

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DragonSilk's picture

August 27, 2019 at 04:32 pm

Very telling that no one has picked him up yet. Teams have plenty of tape on him an no one wants him. Not sure how it works but he's still on his rookie contract so he can't be that expensive.

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