Packers Question of the day - Where to from here?

There was a lot of ugly and not very much good in Nashville, Tennessee on Sunday.

The Packers suffered their worst lost of the season in a game they were favored to emerge victorious over the opposition. 47-25 was the final score, and now, the questions surrounding the coaching staff and front office ensue in full force.

At 4-5, still just one game out of the race for the NFC North lead behind the Vikings and now Lions, what do the Packers do from here?

Sure, keep playing, "stick to the process", etc., but, really. Don't expect coaching staff changes during the epicenter of the season, but what can be done to help this team be successful down the final slate of seven games?

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Zachary Jacobson is a staff writer/reporter for Cheesehead TV. He's the voice of The Leap on iTunes and can be heard on The Scoop KLGR 1490 AM every Saturday morning. He's also a contributor on the Pack-A-Day Podcast. He can be found on Twitter via @ZachAJacobson or contacted through email at [email protected].

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Tarynfor12's picture

November 14, 2016 at 09:36 am

I will happily serve myself a huge dish of crow if this team can full fill it's before season expectations, which I have been berated and abused for not believing possible to date. However, I imagine any significant change to this team to be a mere short lived mirage and hope such is not in the form of a playoff game as that would only instill renewed vigor in thinking all is fine. : )

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 14, 2016 at 09:45 am

Where to go from here..

Really there are 2 ways they can go.
1) They take a hard look at themselves and realize they have to change to turn things around. Get a few injured players back and it provides the difference.

2) They fall apart and the season is over.

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carusotrap's picture

November 14, 2016 at 12:17 pm

You have an impressive optimism if you believe this season is not over. And watch out what you wish for. If they somehow win the division, MM and TT stay where they are.

That being said, I suspect they play out the season and MM and TT are dismissed the day after they finish 6-10. Eliot Wolf becomes GM, and they wait for the Super Bowl before they start serious interviews. Really, this is a prime job for the next coach. The Packers brass and staff are class acts, so I really can't imagine any craziness mid-season.

I admit, this whole debacle is sort of liberating.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 14, 2016 at 12:51 pm

Well considering there are still 7 games left of the season, there is a lot of football to be played. Whether it will be good football, that will to be determined.
They will be getting back some players from injuries, (Cook, Mathews, Randall), so that will help. Though they can't continue to lose players either.

I will admit, I would like to see what MM could do without TT. Maybe if Wolf took over and went out and got a free agent or 2 of significance, it could change our team dramatically.

I'm at a cross roads right now. I would love to see them still go for the Super Bowl this year. (Thats what we all watch for). But I wouldn't mind seeing them lose out, get a really good draft pick and redo the front office and coaching staff, rebuild the roster with some high draft picks.

Imagine adding a player like Leonard Fournette to our offense.

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dobber's picture

November 14, 2016 at 02:01 pm

Look at Dallas. Great OL, no QB or WR last year due to injuries, so-so defense (at best), played themselves into a top 10 pick, get a legit feature back in Elliott. Everyone gets healthy (except Romo) and they're a top team.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 14, 2016 at 02:41 pm

That's why sometimes you get a high pick and it can change your team. Get 1-2 play makers, and it changes your team.

If the Packers added a play making RB and TE it would change the offense. That being said if they had Lacy back and Cook it would go a long ways to fixing our problems on offense.

Defense if they added another CB and Pass rusher it would fix our defense. That being said if we added a healthy Shields and Mathews it would change our defense.

Either way though, if you get higher picks you have to capitalize on them and find play makers.

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dobber's picture

November 14, 2016 at 02:02 pm

You know exactly what will happen, though: team falls apart, MM is dismissed and immediately hired by a team like Jacksonville who needs a QB guru. They have young talent all over that roster. They turn around and win an SB in two years.

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Amanofthenorth's picture

November 14, 2016 at 08:06 pm

GB is MM's home. Working or not working he's gonna chill in the Fox Valley. Keep him.

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barutanseijin's picture

November 14, 2016 at 09:34 pm

More like they go 12-4 & get to the 4th quarter of the AFCC with a 2 score lead. MM takes his foot off the gas & the other guys win in OT.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 15, 2016 at 10:52 am

"I admit, this whole debacle is sort of liberating."

Absolutely. If it means real change (ie no more TT and MM, it will be well worth it. Anything else is just postponing the inevitable. That would be a further waste of time which is far more valuable at this point.
Rodger's isn't getting any younger, whether we keep him or trade him.

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al bundy's picture

November 14, 2016 at 10:49 pm

I think the wheels come off the bus if they get decimated in DC. What else is there. The only thing they were lucky with is the Vikings have sunk in a hole. What if they kept up the play they had, they would be 4 or 5 games ahead.

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Hematite's picture

November 15, 2016 at 05:34 am

I think they went number 2 already.

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WKUPackFan's picture

November 14, 2016 at 09:57 am

Complaining is not going to accomplish anything. It would be more productive to try and discern the actual issues, which are likely more complex than any we can come up with here.

Unfortunately, those problems cannot be determined without information. This is where MM falls short. NFL coaches are notoriously tight-lipped, which is generally a good thing. However, when problems are obvious and reoccurring, the fans desire some type of information. Not providing that information leaves everyone associated with the team subject to criticism, regardless of whether a particular individual is at fault.

As corny as it sounds, the loyal fans "deserve" some concrete facts as to what is the actual situation.

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packerbackerjim's picture

November 14, 2016 at 10:00 am

What are you going to believe: information or your lying eyes?

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WKUPackFan's picture

November 14, 2016 at 03:02 pm

@packerbackerjim - So what information do you have that hasn't been reported? I mean real, hard core facts, not what you think you see. You obviously hold the knowledge everyone is seeking. Please, enlighten us.

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packerbackerjim's picture

November 14, 2016 at 05:27 pm

Sorry if I came off as snarky. Here is the fact everyone can see: including playoffs, the Pack is 9-12 in the last 21 games. The trend is deeply troubling. If you think TT or anyone at 1265 is going to do anything but spin, well that's a choice we can all make.

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packerbackerjim's picture

November 14, 2016 at 05:27 pm

Sorry if I came off as snarky. Here is the fact everyone can see: including playoffs, the Pack is 9-12 in the last 21 games. The trend is deeply troubling. If you think TT or anyone at 1265 is going to do anything but spin, well that's a choice we can all make.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 15, 2016 at 10:29 am

I agree with one difference. TT. It is his job to answer all of the many questions, because they involve everything. Coaches, Players and Team development or lack thereof. Its beyond MM and I think in this situation MM needs to focus on rallying the players. More simply Ted needs to come down from his mountain, bunker, high horse or wherever he hibernates and faces the music. Even the dam president has to answer to things more than once a year.

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WKUPackFan's picture

November 14, 2016 at 03:09 pm

Tundra - That is an excellent point. Some information from TT would be welcome. However, the immediate problems seem to be on and around the field and perhaps in the locker room. That's MM's domain.

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Spud Rapids's picture

November 14, 2016 at 11:03 am

Except us fans are irrational and emotional so no matter what McCarthy says we'll still be pissed off... unless he came out and said "I'm no longer an effective coach, I should lose my job" no one will be happy

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Tundraboy's picture

November 14, 2016 at 11:31 pm

True, but as he said today he's a highly successful coach. I guess its just the players fault. Geez, guess he forgot he IS the Head coach. Hate to bring up Vince in any conversation about MM but after the last few flops does any rational person think Lombardi would not take full responsibility for HIS team. Then again, no way in hell they would get away with playing two bad games in a row, let alone a seasons worth going back to last year. Injuries or no injuries.

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carusotrap's picture

November 14, 2016 at 12:22 pm

I think we're past complaining. Ted's system of personnel acquisition and management has simply worn out its welcome, and MM isn't a creative enough coach to work with nothing but UDFAs and injured draft picks. (How many coaches would be able to make anything out of this dumpster fire, really?) But Ted and Mike come as a set, and the best thing for a quick return to relevance is to have everyone clean out their offices and start with a new GM.

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al bundy's picture

November 14, 2016 at 10:53 pm

I include poor Capers in this scenario. How can that guy or any defensive coach work with Brice, Gunther, Hyde, Burnette, et al. They couldnt cover a fly stuck to fly paper,
I mean teams are passing early and often and making huge plays. The vaunted pass d is suppose to get to the QB -wing and a prayer here, before he can throw that pass. The O is suppose to run the ball often to spend as much time on the field so the pass d cant be exposed. That is Mike and Doms game plan

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Tundraboy's picture

November 15, 2016 at 10:31 am

I think you pretty much nailed it.

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Curry Rambeau's picture

November 14, 2016 at 05:44 pm

LOL More productive to try and discern the actual issues? The Packers brass are waiting anxiously for answers from the fans, especially the experienced NFL coaches here at cheezewhiztv.

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barutanseijin's picture

November 14, 2016 at 09:39 pm

It takes a special kind of person to hang out on fan sites to pooh-pooh what fans say.

Go watch a MM or a TT presser. Fascinating!

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packerbackerjim's picture

November 14, 2016 at 09:57 am

In the first possession, having been given excellent field position, I predicted 2 runs by Starks and an incomplete 3 and 5 pass.. The last time I was that accurate in the Pack's play calling was 1969 and we all know how that turned out.

The Process leads nowhere.

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jfajas's picture

November 14, 2016 at 10:39 am

I thought exactly the same: the "play it safe" MM is so fond of... that gutless approach that leads nowhere...

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dobber's picture

November 14, 2016 at 10:45 am

Believing you can exert your will over an opponent is one thing.

Being able to do it is completely different.

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Razer's picture

November 14, 2016 at 11:26 am

...The Process leads nowhere...

Now that is funny...and sadly true.

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WKUPackFan's picture

November 14, 2016 at 03:20 pm

You would have to be about 70 years old to have predicted play calling in 1969. You would also have to have been a season ticket holder. Every game wasn't on television back then, you know? Try again, but keep dreaming about how smart you are.

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packerbackerjim's picture

November 14, 2016 at 05:30 pm

Well not quite 70 but 66. And most games were in Tv, sonny.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 14, 2016 at 11:47 am

It's time to change. That's where we go from here.

With the exception of the first halves of the Atlanta and Detroit games and the 2nd halves of the Chicago and Indy games, this season has ranged from uninspiring to insipid. The same as last year post game 6: A couple nice halves. No complete games.

The personnel and coaching staffs have had PLENTY of time to fix things - even in light of the Super Bowl title in '10. Now, we all know GB won't change things mid-year, but the single worst thing I can imagine for the remainder of this season would be for GB to somehow scrape together an 8-8 campaign and win what might be the worst division in football. And get bounced badly at home. Or even worse yet, play slightly better and lose a heartbreaker in the playoffs. Again. I want TT gone. I want MM gone. Buh-bye to Sam, Eddie, TJ, Pep, and RRod. CM3, Jordy Cobb, and ARod need to take pay cuts. Their play hasn't earned their pay for too long. Randall, Rollins, HHCD need to be put on notice. Trade Bulaga if you can get a good price so Spriggs can get some play time. Daniels needs to be told to STHU.

Speaking of ARod, I wouldn't mind dealing him for the right amount of compensation (anything north of 3 1st rounders). Let's see what Hundley can do actually standing in the pocket. This is looking more like Favre-under-Sherman by the week.

As always - Go Pack Go. :(

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Tarynfor12's picture

November 14, 2016 at 10:24 am

" I want TT gone. I want MM gone. Buhbye to Sam, Eddie, TJ, Pep, RRod, Bulaga. CM3, Randall, Jordy and ARod have to take MAJOR pay cuts, or be cut theselves. Randall, Rollins, HHCD need to be put on notice. Daniels needs to be told to STHU."

Yeah....how else can they afford to give he who isn't mentioned that new big deal and build around. Keep the invisible man, get more invisible guys and we won't even see them play like invisible crap each week. : )

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stockholder's picture

November 14, 2016 at 10:41 am

A-Rod: 3==== 1st rounders? They'll be lucky to get a rd. 1. It's better to get rid of his contract. How many defensive players could we sign with that. We need prime -time players. Not three year players in the working.

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dobber's picture

November 14, 2016 at 10:47 am

QB is the money position in the NFL. Look at what the Vikes gave up for Bradford? What would ARod be worth...especially to a team that sees themselves as on the cusp of being something special?

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stockholder's picture

November 14, 2016 at 11:10 am

The Vikings had a gun to their head. A-Rod is 32. Declining! What did the jets give up for Farve or the Vikings when he got there. This is about Age, Declining, and Money. A-rods contract is the baggage.

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Spud Rapids's picture

November 14, 2016 at 11:06 am

"The personnel and coaching staffs have had PLENTY of time to fix things - even in light of the Super Bowl title in '10."

Except they don't.... The new CBA doesn't allow them to hardly practice anymore. You can coach them up in the film room all you want but until you are able to get players reps in relation to a game plan they won't be full prepared.

It's like learning music theory in a classroom. You can learn everything but until you put an instrument in your hand and put a crowd out there to watch you, you won't truly learn.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 14, 2016 at 11:48 am

Granted. There isn't enough practice time anymore. But that goes for every NFL team. Others have adjusted. Why can't TT/MM?

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Spud Rapids's picture

November 14, 2016 at 12:24 pm

Who has adjusted better? Certainly on the Vikings. Can you provide some specifics because a generalized statement like that may not be true.

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carusotrap's picture

November 14, 2016 at 12:34 pm

OK, you started fine, but you descended into madness. Dealing Rodgers? Come on, man!

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November 14, 2016 at 05:55 pm

worse yet thinking hes only worth one first rounder.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 15, 2016 at 10:39 am

I'm all in with you on this one except for Rodgers and Daniels. One has irreplaceable talent and the other fire, both of which we desperately need more of.

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al bundy's picture

November 15, 2016 at 12:18 pm

Start with that moron Ted T, take Mike too and say good by to draft and develop. Time to re group and understand it aint happening over night. Like you, I feel a lot of deadwood on this team including 15 UDFA.
So many of these losers will have to remain since you can't get rid of all of them at one time. Painful, very painful but it has to be done. No tweeking is going to work here. This is a cluster and then some

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Razer's picture

November 14, 2016 at 10:19 am

Some of the best coaching I have ever seen came from guys coaching lesser talent. The coaches have enough horsepower to compete and win in this parity league. The question is what will they do in these final 7 games.

I would expect us to simplify the "packages" and "personnel groups" to get the best guys on the field playing their fastest. If we stay stuck in 2014 mode, we will keep getting what we are getting.

It is up to the coaches to get a better plan in play. It is up to the players to bring the effort. We have enough players to swap out the ones that aren't working. Simplify the whole thing.

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carusotrap's picture

November 14, 2016 at 12:37 pm

Unfortunately, our coaches don't see a problem that requires change. They believe that if the players they have will simply execute, everything is fine. The Titanic is going under and they're worried about the 2nd violin being out of tune and fresh towels on the deck chairs.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 15, 2016 at 11:42 am

Wow, that's a great analogy. Sadly true.

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al bundy's picture

November 14, 2016 at 10:58 pm

Lesser talent? How do you get lesser talent than a pass d who are liek 5'10 185 slow of foot, smallish in body, poor tacklets and poor coverage guys. Can you really get worse than that?
Ezikiel Elliot aint in any draft and development program and neither is Dak yet pack fans laud draft and develop. The problem the develop guys are actually playing and they are very un developed and arent improving but getting worse

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stockholder's picture

November 14, 2016 at 10:27 am

First: I understand the criticism of MM. And MM would probably agree. ( Especially after comments about being close to expectations.) But I'm looking at A-Rod. He's 32 and clearly lost it. The first thing is to take offers on A-Rod. Keep an open mind to any trades. Now or later won't matter. The chance is they'll get more now. Second: While the packers are still in it. They should not make any changes being one game out. Coaches or players other than A-rod. Let them get healthy. If this team does not make the playoffs. Capers and Moss should be fired. The defense has talent but needs changes. We need CBs that stay healthy. Burnett has been in and out so much he needs to be re-placed. I believe it will only take a good defensive coach to change bad habits. Third - MM needs to replace Clements. Stop the crying and start playing. If a player is not going to be signed, stop playing him. They had their chance. They just want a hand out.

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Spud Rapids's picture

November 14, 2016 at 11:07 am

We can't look at the offense as the problem in this game... they never had a chance when the D gives up 5 TD on the first 6 posessions

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carusotrap's picture

November 14, 2016 at 12:40 pm

You're really OK keeping McCarthy? We spot every team in the league 2 TDs simply because they know his game plan and he refuses to see it. Combined with his unwillingness to tailor his scheme to the players he's got, and I think he needs to be the second person shown the door after Ted. (Well, Capers too.)

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November 14, 2016 at 10:44 am

In all reality MM has been putting lipstick on a pig since the end of the 2011 season. The so called "Pittsburgh tough" his team showed climbing the hill has not carried over once they got to the top of the hill. Many coaches just become stale. Prime example is Andy Reid in Philly. He didn't become a bad coach all of the sudden, his tenure just ran its course. The same is true here. Unfortunately MM/TT are a package deal till the end of 2018. The patented firing of a couple of scapegoat assistant coaches will keep the current regime in place through 2017. Once Mark Murphy can concentrate on what really matters(on field success) instead of pet projects, the 2017 season will be in the rearview mirror. Not to rock the boat TT/MM will be allowed to finish out their tenure. 2018 people!!! 2018. Anybody notice the Offensive demise started when Philbin left.

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November 14, 2016 at 11:13 am

thats why i can't figure out why they never brought Philbin back.

Cleveland might be interested in rodgers seeing how they have tried a million QB"s and nobody pans out. might get the #1 pick this year and some good ones next year. even if TT could do this, he wouldn't. getting sent to Cleveland is probably the worst fate in the world for a player and rodgers doesn't deserve that.

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November 14, 2016 at 12:19 pm

Why, if you're Cleveland and years away from a title, would you mortgage your draft future by dealing for ARod?

If they tried to deal him, they'd have to send him to a team (preferably in the AFC) that has many of the pieces except a top QB and doesn't have a big-contract signal caller at the moment. Kansas City, the Jets come to mind. Heck, maybe even Denver. But the problem is, you're dealing #12 for #1s that are all likely to be in the bottom 1/3 of the draft. Where's the value there?

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November 14, 2016 at 04:57 pm

Personally, I've long held the belief that Philbin leaving along with all the front office guys (to KC, Seattle and Oakland) has been the real back breaker for this team. I don't have a source to quote, but could swear I recall reading that Philbin was the only head in the offensive war room who would really challenge McCarthy. Combine that with losing the people who were in Ted's ear helping him draft and you're left with the hole filled roster devoid of scheme creativity that stands before you.

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November 15, 2016 at 01:01 am

I go along with that, look what Schneider and Mackenzie have done in Seattle and Oakland. You can't lose guys like that and expect to find draft finds.

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jfajas's picture

November 14, 2016 at 11:05 am

5 quick thoughts:
1 - the talent on the defensive side is simply not there. We have a weak defensive front, average/weak linebackers and terrible corners
2 - MM is making the offense look worse that it really is with the predictable play call we are all so familiar with
3 - TT has missed the last 3 drafts, especially on the defensive side. Not one difference maker.
4 - Our "special teams" are still special to the OTHER team
5 - the amount of penalties in the last 2 games is unacceptable and in my mind a clear sign that MM is losing the team

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November 14, 2016 at 11:15 am

For the remainder of the season I think the offense needs to go to a spread offense and put the running game on the back-burner. Try to get #12 going with rhythm passes. Quick passes to avoid hits on the QB. We have 6+ WRs and no legitimate threats at RB. Time to fling it. We have nothing left to lose.

Trading AR is just plain stupid. He is in a slump but the draft this year offers no worthy QBs. You can't replace something with nothing. As far as his salary goes it is not over-the-top for a Pro Bowl QB, and looks cheaper every year.

TT should retire and hand the keys to Wolf now. This is a year or two sooner than he probably wanted to, but it is time for a change in the coaching staff, and so the new GM should be the one to do it. The Packers will need to hit FA hard, and we all know that TT is a little too tight in that department. Time for TT to step down.

At the top of the FA needs list will be a replacement for Sam Shields. He ain't coming back. Second on the list is a quality TE. They don't grow on trees, and there are no super-stud TEs in the draft this year.

Finally, time for MM to go. All phases of the team look like $h!& right now. No more firing assistants. The offensive coaching staff structure is bloated and weird. More importantly, the collective brain trust is coming up with no answers. All of this falls squarely on MM's shoulders. I'd hire Josh McDaniels, but hey, that's just me.

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Razer's picture

November 14, 2016 at 11:37 am

...The offensive coaching staff structure is bloated and weird. More importantly, the collective brain trust is coming up with no answers. All of this falls squarely on MM's shoulders...

Lot of good ideas MarkInMadison. The comment about the offensive coaching staff is so true and needs to be addressed. MM, Tom Clements, Edgar Bennett and Van Pelt have done a great job of turning fast to slow. How many OCs would give a right arm to have this Oline and the skill guys to move the ball. We are totally confused on offense and way under performing.

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November 15, 2016 at 11:50 am

Thats what we get when MMs idea after the the NFCG fiasco was to form a committee, the warren commission, rather than look at himself in the mirror and admit he failed by going into turtle mode and and ultimately paid the price in not dealing with STs earlier in prior seasons. I think that is when he lost Arod.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 14, 2016 at 01:00 pm

'For the remainder of the season I think the offense needs to go to a spread offense and put the running game on the back-burner. Try to get #12 going with rhythm passes. Quick passes to avoid hits on the QB. We have 6+ WRs and no legitimate threats at RB. Time to fling it. We have nothing left to lose.'

They did that against the Bears, and the first half against the Falcons. The offense found rhythm and played well. Since then, slowly shifted back to our 11 personnel on every down and little variations. And we have been struggling.

'Second on the list is a quality TE. They don't grow on trees, and there are no super-stud TEs in the draft this year.'

I disagree with this. This years draft is very deep at TE's. OJ Howard would be a huge upgrade in our offense. Currently on CBS sports there are 5 TE's ranked in the top 60. Very good talent at the top of the draft.

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dobber's picture

November 14, 2016 at 02:05 pm

The problem is that the draft wish-list has grown so long that a top TE may not be in the cards...

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packerbackerjim's picture

November 14, 2016 at 02:41 pm

RB and TE in the first 2 rounds,

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November 14, 2016 at 02:43 pm

DL and DB in free agency

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dobber's picture

November 14, 2016 at 02:53 pm

RB and TE would be much cheaper in FA. Get good DL and DB by the draft where you can benefit from their cheap rookie deals.

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packerbackerjim's picture

November 14, 2016 at 03:02 pm

RB has less wear and tear, any FA RB has a history of injury. Any good TE doesn't get to FA.
The FA DLs and DBs generally have a proven track record and had contracts which were unsustainable, as a rule.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 14, 2016 at 03:06 pm

If the Packers picked today they would be 16th.

Depending on how the draft process works out they could be looking at adding these RB's with the first pick. Leonard Fournette, Dalvin Cook, Christian McCaffrey. With their 2nd pick they would be looking to add Royce Freeman, D'Onta Foreman, Samaje Perine, Nick Chubb.

For TE's, their first pick would likely be O.J. Howard,Bucky Hodges. 2nd pick likely Jake Butt, Jordan Leggett.

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EdsLaces's picture

November 14, 2016 at 07:00 pm

#McCaffreywatch2016 lol still got my fingers crossed ...but seriously him and Butt sounds like a win to me!

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November 14, 2016 at 07:26 pm

I like that perfecta!

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 14, 2016 at 02:42 pm

Best player available.

You have to take the best player. Odds are TE will be one of them at some point.

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stockholder's picture

November 14, 2016 at 04:16 pm

I agree the draft wish is getting longer. Thats why if they could get something for A-Rod now, maybe they need to do it. It may be madness to some, but the future is to dim with A-Rod. Listen we tried the short stuff to get him going. It got monty and Adams contributing. But A-rod starts going long on 3rd downs. Then the last game, its short passes that he could not hit again. Not to mention RRodgers drops. I don't see how TT can't draft a CB again. And forget about Free Agency with TT. So Trade A-rod. It's shape up or ship out.

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MarkinMadison's picture

November 14, 2016 at 03:58 pm

I looked at a different source that didn't have a single TE with a 1st round grade, 1-2 was as high as they had any going. Even CBS only has one with a clear first-round grade. Draft grades aren't everything, but I'd rather spend on a guy in FA who can't miss at TE. Kind of like S before Ha-Ha was drafted, I feel like we need a can't-miss player at the position at this point.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 15, 2016 at 11:55 am

I agree. Time to hope we find a gem solely in the draft is long gone. Way too many needs. Sadly if TT is still around I strongly doubt we will pursue FAs once again. That would be an admission he was wrong. Never happen. All the more reason we need new management.

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Since'61's picture

November 14, 2016 at 11:50 am

The biggest problem aside from the injuries is the lack of speed on defense, especially at CB and OLB. Peppers has been showing his age all season. Perry, even when he does play well, doesn't bring a lot of speed with his game. We're not likely to see Shields again so we can't expect the speed on defense to improve. Therefore, we need to get after the QB and simultaneously disrupt the pass routes. Right now our defense isn't doing either and unless we can stop our opponents we have no chance to win. Despite everything the offense is averaging 25 points per game (9 games)and even playing without a RB or an actual NFL TE the offense is averaging 28 points per game during this 3 game losing streak. The defense with some help from the STs has disintegrated and is allowing 37 points per game during the losing streak. This cannot continue and the offense cannot be expected to generate 40 points per game even with RBs and a real TE, which we don't have anyway.
I would like to see MM take responsibility for this fiasco and commit to getting this straightened out. Next, I would like to see A-Rod call a players only meeting and take accountability for his own poor play and lead this team forward. Then we put our best surviving players on the field which should include Monty, Rip, T. Davis and Allison and we play with a sense of urgency and if we go down we go down with our best on the field. As professionals that is the least that this team can do for themselves and their fans. As for firing coaches etc, wait for the end of the season and see what management does. We still have 7 games to play and a division title that is literally there for the taking with some effort and urgency by our players and coaches. Thanks. Since '61 Jet lag, trying to go back to sleep now.

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Zub's picture

November 14, 2016 at 12:25 pm

It starts with Aaron Rodgers, opening series on offense, on the 50 yard line, misses easy pass over middle to wide open Cobb for a 3 and out, ends the drive, sets the tone rest of game, at this point of season Aaron is not even in the same league as Tom Brady, it's starts with Aaron

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barutanseijin's picture

November 14, 2016 at 09:49 pm

He is just a mediocre-to-bad QB now.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 15, 2016 at 05:00 am

He is miles away from Tom Brady. Heck he is worser than Prescott, Winston, Mariotta, Wentz...

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mbpacker's picture

November 14, 2016 at 12:59 pm

Any of you up for being the new GM or coach? I wish I had all the answers.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 15, 2016 at 05:01 am

Here is some suggestion and facts to support them:

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2016/11/14/13620576/packers-fire-mike-...

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EdsLaces's picture

November 14, 2016 at 03:52 pm

I'd like to go on record and say that Rollins sucks ...that is all...

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stockholder's picture

November 14, 2016 at 04:18 pm

He was a guard in school. I don't understand why they have him playing 10 yards back.

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