Packers Question of the day - Takeaways from the loss

It'll be Tuesday morning by the time the readers get a hold of this question, and it may be time to move on to Washington. However, that won't stop me from asking the (slightly) important questions.

What the hell went wrong on Sunday?

What did you notice from the ddebauchery that we call Packers football on Sunday, and how disgusted were you with the performance in Tennessee?

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TarynsEyes's picture

November 15, 2016 at 09:19 am

Let's not rush to Washington. A nationally televised game at 5: 30 to likely watch the Packers SHIT themselves again, though they and we may get to watch Matthews rise up on the field with Digornio pizza or at least flip his Fabio hair now and then.
I wonder if for the good of NFL ratings, we can beg to be moved to a 10 am slot to hide inside.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 15, 2016 at 12:32 pm

You truly enjoy all those problems Packers have... Tasteless...

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TarynsEyes's picture

November 15, 2016 at 01:26 pm

No... I disdain these issues and have written about them for a long time. What is tasteless is you and others ignoring such for as long and likely still if a win comes Sunday.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2016 at 09:47 am

The part that bothers me the most from the offense was the amount of 11 personnel they ran. They get Starks back and go back to the same offense that really didn't work before.
They have 7 WR's on the roster and essentially used 3 for most of the game again. Yet Richard Rodgers continues to play a high amount of snaps. 83% of the offensive snaps....
We haven't seen the offense that was working in the absence of Lacy and Starks. The 4-5 WR sets. Barely saw Montgomery also.

McCarthy can't control everything. But he can control who gets on and off the field, and how the offense is ran.

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SpudRapids's picture

November 15, 2016 at 11:30 am

As I said earlier this week we can't blame the offense this week when the D gave up 5 TD's on the first 6 possessions.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2016 at 12:13 pm

Oh definitely.

I'm just tired of seeing the offense struggle and yet do the same things over and over. Especially when we saw them do other things and they worked.

I do question though. If the Packers do anything on that first drive, does it change the game? If they do anything on offense on their next 2 drives, does it change the game at all?

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Tundraboy's picture

November 15, 2016 at 02:16 pm

You are so right RC and Spud is as well on the D spotting the Colts multiple TDs.

What has driven me crazy all season is the absurd use of Rodgers and minimal use of Montgomery.

If anyone told us last year that Montgomery would come back healthy, we would have jumped for joy. If they also told us that he would be ready day one and we barely used him for the first 9 games you would have been in total shock.

As for RRodgers, with other lineup options like Montgomery, Adams playing better, Cobb healthy, Jordy back, ,and the fact that RRodgers can not block, has no speed, can not gain any YAC, goes down on first contact, AND now is dropping passes continually , and someone also told you he would be playing up to 83 % of the time, you would have been furious, even with no Cook. Want to throw in a TE for a FEW plays, use Perillo.

Finally if someone told us we would lose consecutive games in embarrassing fashion because we continued to do all this I am certain we would be in total disbelief and shock. I am in shock

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2016 at 08:17 pm

I really don't understand the love for Richard. What has he done to deserve playing as much as he does?
And to only play 3 snaps of actual TE in the game, they can't use the excuse that they wanted to stay balanced with a TE. He didn't play a TE role. He played a WR role.

I'm not saying they have to go 5 WRs all game. But they could mix in players more and play Rodgers less.
Ripkowski is a guy that deserves more playing time then Richard. He has proven he can be productive catching the ball. He is a lot better of a blocker too.

If we were told before the season that we would have a WR playing RB and a 4.9 40 TE playing WR, would you believe it? I don't think I would.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2016 at 12:16 pm

Just heard on the Rich Eisen Show.

Richard Rodgers who ran a 4.9 40 (according to Eisen) played all but 3 snaps standing up. Essentially as a WR. Eisen's comment "A 4.9 WR running routes, No wonder they have WR's that can't get open".

Daniel Jerimiah said that when Rodgers goes to throw the ball there are not a lot of open WR's. This is still a problem.

I'm not the only one seeing that this is a huge problem with the offense.

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stockholder's picture

November 15, 2016 at 03:45 pm

The problem was TT drafting him in the first place. Everyone thought he was the next Chumara. If A-rod could still throw, it wouldn't matter where they line him up. But more teams are putting the TE wide. Just their faster than Rodgers. The packers have invested to much time in RR now. He's staying. Until this team wants to win. Nothing will work.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 16, 2016 at 06:50 am

Rodgers would be an ok number 2 TE. A redzone target, or move the reliable move the sticks type of TE. But he offers almost nothing else. He used to have the best hands on the field but this year he has dropped way to many passes.

Its time that McCarthy realizes what Rodgers isn't. He isn't a WR. He can't be used like one.

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rdent's picture

November 16, 2016 at 08:16 am

Not much of a TE either.

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pacman's picture

November 15, 2016 at 09:51 am

MM's record during the season is not relevant. Coaching a championship caliber team to an 8-7 record in the playoffs means you're not doing a good job. This year shows why. They covered up for it last year with excuses.

I've been critical of DC but will give him a short pass with so many injuries on D. But it's time to look at moving on anyway.

AR is no longer an elite QB. Many simple throws are off though he did make some nice ones. He is still above avg. Can he get it back - who knows? But he needs help and MM and the offensive coaches aren't helping.

One other note - I'm disappointed in Janis' drop a couple weeks ago but at least we had a receiver beat his man. As Adams did. Jordy's not doing that anymore. Need to get the speedsters running deep routes. BUT NOT ON 3RD AND SHORT YOU IDIOTS.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 15, 2016 at 02:18 pm

Triple like on that.

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NickPerry's picture

November 17, 2016 at 04:57 am

McCarthy has 3 one and dones and another victory in 2012 against a Viking team being coached by Joe Webb. To even count that game as a win is a joke Webb was so pathetic. Webb made Scott Hunter of those powerhouse 70's Packers look like AR. What happened in the divisional game against the 49ers was pure Capers and MM. 45-31 and it wasn't even that close.

I agree with you, McCarthys record in the Playoffs speaks for itself. 3 one and dones (Really 4) and the loss in the NFCCG, that's more than enough of an example.

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NMPF's picture

November 15, 2016 at 10:20 am

Not overly surprised by a loss. 3 TD loss was not expected. This is not due to play calling, clock management or injuries. This team is just not that good. The lack of the GM refusing to at least dipping into FA for middle to lower costing FA to keep a veteran presence(and not kill the cap) on the team has caught up to them. #12 at this point can no longer cover up the failure of a 98% draft and develop philosophy. 15 UDFA on a 53 man roster is rearing it ugly head. Injuries happen, not being prepared is unconscionable.

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sonomaca's picture

November 15, 2016 at 10:49 am

Poor or average teams put a great deal of effort into preparing for the Packers. A win vs. Green Bay helps coaches to avoid the unemployment line. The Packers can't "mail it in" against mediocre opponents. They were lucky to beat Jacksonville week one. Jacksonville was prepared. The Colts were prepared. The Titans were prepared.

The Packers, no so much.

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al bundy's picture

November 15, 2016 at 10:50 am

Drafting guys no one else wanted may be the problem if said guys were injury prone in college, smallish for the nfl, slow for the nfl, poor skill set for the nfl versus filling holes with experienced free agents.
Our linebackers are all slow of foot covering te's. Corners small, lack quickness, and have poor cover skills.
Pass rush is ho hum. Too may guys taking plays off. Datone and perry should be lighting it up, they were first round picks I thought should have been third.
Receivers lack speed to separate.

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Handsback's picture

November 15, 2016 at 11:00 am

Getting back to the Giants, they played within themselves and took what the Bengals gave them. Green Bay hasn't done that except for a couple of games. When I see a potential playmaker like Monty seeing 5 or less opportunities, then MM isn't thinking about players as much as he's looking at schemes or position personnel. I'm not a coach, but that doesn't make sense to me. Shouldn't it be let's run a few plays that are short and pick up those first downs, including having the RB in the flat, and open up the longer stuff when the other team commits to stopping the short stuff.

To me, the team has lost their perspective and frankly many will be on other teams next year. The run defense is terrible and may/may not be connected to the CBs that are out. This isn't college where try hard is good enough. Jobs are at stake and if they don't fear losing their position....then they don't need to be playing in a league where you get paid for your performance.

The coaching staff will go through a complete change next year. Even if by a miracle they make the playoffs, they need a fresh look at what this talent can/or can't do. I don't think MM will be in that change, but Capers may be.

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SpudRapids's picture

November 15, 2016 at 11:32 am

The run defense was #1 in the league coming into this game

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mrj007's picture

November 15, 2016 at 10:17 pm

And they gave up 5 TD and allowed Titans to convert virtually every 3rd downs in the first half. Stats are misleading but there score board isn't

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rdent's picture

November 16, 2016 at 08:23 am

I agree, GB's D can look like number 1 against teams that don't have a running game but against teams that do they look and smell like "number two "

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Handsback's picture

November 15, 2016 at 11:01 am

I didn't include the first paragraph.....

Last night I saw a Giants team beat a more talented team in the Bengals. (At least in my opinion.) What is the current talent level of the Packers? Before the season started I would say....pretty good. 9 games into the season is the talent still pretty good? You have to say not in the RB/CB positions and w/o Matthews...the LBs aren't as good. So my dilemma is this, if the talent is there the coaching staff has booted this team. If my opinion is wrong, TT has booted this team.

Getting back to the Giants, they played within themselves and took what the Bengals gave them. Green Bay hasn't done that except for a couple of games. When I see a potential playmaker like Monty seeing 5 or less opportunities, then MM isn't thinking about players as much as he's looking at schemes or position personnel. I'm not a coach, but that doesn't make sense to me. Shouldn't it be let's run a few plays that are short and pick up those first downs, including having the RB in the flat, and open up the longer stuff when the other team commits to stopping the short stuff.

To me, the team has lost their perspective and frankly many will be on other teams next year. The run defense is terrible and may/may not be connected to the CBs that are out. This isn't college where try hard is good enough. Jobs are at stake and if they don't fear losing their position....then they don't need to be playing in a league where you get paid for your performance.

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jfajas's picture

November 15, 2016 at 11:41 am

The overall talent on defense is just not there.
To many average/poor players. Not one difference maker (shields is a question mark to ever play a down again, 52 is injury prone and past his prime)
So many picks wasted on D an nothing to show... that is the main problem with this team.
And when the offense struggles (yes, MM is to blame there...) and you put pressure on our D, we all see the same things: poor pass rush, poor tackling, dreadful pass coverage.

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sonomaca's picture

November 15, 2016 at 11:43 am

The season would probably look different without the injuries at corner. You know what they say: "you can never have enough corners." These guys get hurt early and often.

I think the top priorities next year are:

1) a stud receiver
2) another corner
3) a running back
4) an OLB if Perry's gone

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fthisJack's picture

November 15, 2016 at 12:36 pm

TE!!!!! we have none.

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scullyitsme's picture

November 15, 2016 at 12:19 pm

Here's a thought, all the drafting, coaching, play calling, formations/ packages, don't mean squat when all your talent is injured on the sidelines. Want to fire someone? I propose doc Mckenzie an the training staff. Let's fire up the, fire doc Mckenzie website! Who's with me?

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pacman's picture

November 15, 2016 at 12:33 pm

MM press conference has been the same for years. It's only a few plays, etc. If it was just random, we would get our share of those. (Maybe we did with the Hail Mary's). But it sure seems like we screw up in the playoffs more than any team in history. And now, during the season too.

Chance favors only the prepared mind.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 15, 2016 at 02:25 pm

Thank God the Bengals and their playoff history are around. Then again maybe not.

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Lphill's picture

November 15, 2016 at 02:03 pm

Needed to draft a inside linebacker in the first round someone with talent that they could develop the defense around , my point is nobody on the Packers defense is scaring anyone.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 15, 2016 at 10:43 pm

Is it me or have I read this very same statement each year since 2011?

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Since'61's picture

November 15, 2016 at 02:52 pm

To win games in the NFL you need the following:
1. Play at least a decent level of defense to keep the games close. Packers have not been doing that since the Dallas game.
2. Do not commit turnovers. During the MM era the Packers have been very good to excellent in this area and remain pretty good even during the last 5 games.
3. Be able to run the ball just enough to keep the defense honest. We have no RBs, especially when we keep Monty on the sidelines so no help there.
4. Need a game breaker like an Odell Beckham or Antonio Brown, someone who the defense must stop or adjust to. We had Jordy but he's not the same.
5. Put the game in the hands of your best players and get them the ball as much as possible.

No big secrets or astonishing discovery here but my take away from the Titans game is that we are not doing #'s 1, 3, 4 and 5. Except for 2010 and 2014 (up to the last 4 minutes in Seattle) the defense has never been consistently good and the offense carried the defense until they were annually exposed in the playoffs. Now they are just bad.
Rodgers TD/Int ratio remains one the best in NFL history and our RBs when we have them rarely fumble.
We can't run the ball and that is killing the offense and putting everything on the QB and the opposing DCs know it.
We do not have any game breakers. Our WRs rarely create any separation. This due to the fact that the defense can ignore our run game. Maybe Monty if MM let's him see the field more than 10 snaps per game can make a difference.
For whatever reason MM is not using our best players such as Monty and RIP or allowing T. Davis and/or Geronimo to contribute. This makes no sense to me.

So out of 5 ingredients we are sometimes doing one, which is not turning the ball over. Although 3 and outs are not much better than turnovers when the defense only gets off the field after giving up a touchdown. In spite of everything we can still turn this season around and win our absolutely pathetic division, which IMO is a prime example of the mediocre NFL product that we are watching and that Goodell and the NFL owners are perfectly happy with because the $ keep rolling in. But, the status of the league and it's scam of a product are a topic for another day and maybe another blog.

Until or unless the Packers can become more physical at the LOS on offense and especially on defense we're going to see more of what we have seen against the Colts and the Titans. If we can control the LOS we create a chance for something positive to happen. Either a big play by the offense or force a turnover by the defense but winning starts at the LOS. We need to make stops or we're done. As we used to chant at the NY Knicks games back in the '70s, "We're not dead yet". Go pack Go!
Thanks, Since '61

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croatpackfan's picture

November 16, 2016 at 07:50 am

Since, there is lot of truth in your words. But that Packers receiver rarely create separation? My God! They are very often lone as ghosts, but Aaron never toss the ball to them. Stop using that excuse for Aaron. He stopped scanning the field. He decide to whome he will throw and that is. And if that WR does not crete separation, suddenly it looks like no other receivers create separation. Which is not the case. Or, when WR create separation (like on first series of the last game), like Randall, Aaron throw him ball behind and into the ankles. I have admit that I rarely see any WR or TE or RB who catch the ball thrown like that.

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/by-the-numbers/2016/11/15/13645936/ana...
This is interesting article that shows us Aaron has problems, not wide receivers...

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 16, 2016 at 08:09 am

I think its a combination. Rodgers has missed throws. No question.

Rodgers has missed some open WR's. From what I have seen and heard (Daniel Jerimiah said it yesterday). That when you stop the tape when Rodgers drop stops, he looks at the WR's, and more times then not the WR's are not open. Yeah, some may get open later, but at the point in which the ball should be coming out, they are not open consistently enough.
IMO, that leads to Rodgers anticipating them to not being open, which causes hesitation and then he is a second late on his throws which leads to his throws being off target.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 16, 2016 at 08:30 am

Well I agree that you can find some situations where all Packers WR are covered. But it is normal. There is no 100% situation (except when you are playing against Packers D) your WR will be open. That is not possible for any team to achieve. But the problems are that you have on each 3 snaps at least once and at least one WR open. And Aaron do not see him or do not want to see him. And when he decide to go to that WR it is more than usual bad throws...
E. g. last game Aaron toss the throw for some 15, 20 yards downfield to center of the field to Jordy's hands. Catch! Nice throw. But behind Jordy, on very similar line alone as gosts were Rodgers (yes that slow Richard!) 10 yards deeper and anothe 10 yards deeper Davante Adams. It would be 60 yards TD throw. Few years ago Aaron will see them both and I can bet with you, he will toss the ball to Adams, not to Jordy.
We can not blame just receivers, because they winning their battles one on one...
Also, if I need I can go over coaches film and analyse every snap and describe you open WR ball not thrown to him as well as poorly thrown balls to open receivers they catched the ball or not. E. g. again, Aaron was throwing the ball to Davante Adams on 4th & 5 for 17 yards. Adams beat his man and was running 2 steps a front of him by left sideline. Ball was thrown half yard to far so Adams needed to adjust and jump to get the ball. He catched the ball, but if the ball was thrown properly, Adams might have another long TD. And that was in the situation when more time left on the clock would be nice to have....

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Icebowler's picture

November 15, 2016 at 03:28 pm

Can we just show up, fully awake, not sleepwalking, at the start of the game this Sunday night. If we can't bring some energy, from the git-go, for "the" prime time game of the week, when will we? I'm not asking for much, not even necessarily a win, but can we at least still be in the game by the middle of the 4th quarter. After the last two debacles, I just want to see some Packer Pride shown out there.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 15, 2016 at 06:33 pm

RC,

I also noticed 11 personnel a LOT in the 1st half. After EVERYTHING the team has done for the past YEAR that
has said "you can't win with 11 personnel right now!."

That, alone, should be enough evidence to get MM fired!

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Tundraboy's picture

November 15, 2016 at 10:53 pm

It's just mind boggling how stubborn he is. He talks so much about adapting, each year representing a new set of challenges, each year being different from the last, yet he keeps going back to what he insists will work. Talk about beating a dead horse. Its like he just wants to eventually have it work so he can say I told you so. Problem is its not working and hasn't for a very long time. If anything, everything is changing but him. Recipe for getting fired imo.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 16, 2016 at 07:09 am

No matter what happens the rest of the year, I think we will see some big changes being made this offseason.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 16, 2016 at 08:26 am

God I hope so. I've been waiting for something to really cheer about since.... The SF playoff losses.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 16, 2016 at 07:08 am

I saw it as well...

The offense has ran the best when it has been mixing and matching personnel. Look at the first halves of the Lions game and the Falcons game. They used more personnel in both games. Created different looks and they really played well.. Sticking to 1 formation all game does nothing to the offense.

The problem for me with the 11 personnel is we don't have a good enough TE to make it work. Once Cook comes back perhaps he will be a bigger improvement where he can make the difference. But Rodgers is not good enough.

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NickPerry's picture

November 15, 2016 at 07:03 pm

We've all especially me have picked this team apart. BUT a positive this year has Been Davante Adams, especially the last 6 or 7 weeks. He's not dropping the ball, he's giving 110%, AND he's catching with his hands and TD's. Way to go Adams!

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Handsback's picture

November 15, 2016 at 09:51 pm

You are right Nick...Adams has been a big and maybe only positive on this team from last year...

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Oppy's picture

November 15, 2016 at 09:54 pm

Jake Ryan, Nick Perry, Blake Martinez, Ripkowski, Lane Taylor, have all been bright spots to one degree or another as well. In spot duty, both Fackrell and Kenny Clarke have had some moments, too.

I really can't stress enough how well Jake Ryan has played. Impressive.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 15, 2016 at 10:59 pm

True. All that has been pushed into the background because of all the turmoil of the last month. Something for the next coach to build upon.

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joepacker's picture

November 15, 2016 at 10:51 pm

take aways?

how about taking the coach away?

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