Packers Question of the day - Swapping Places

A great topic was posted from Manish Mehta - a New York Jets beat writer for the NY Daily News. 

If Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady swapped places, would Rodgers have more Super Bowl rings with Bill Belichick as his head coach?

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Lphill's picture

January 18, 2017 at 09:23 am

Yes Rodgers would because he would have been in a win today culture where the Patriots bring in players to help today not draft and develop, draft and develop is good if you also have a QB that needs to grow and mature. look back at the Packers last several seasons, they were always missing that x factor either on defense or offense and we all screamed for a free agent signing, now we are making a Superbowl run with no experience at corner, no way the Pats would be in that position.we all know if the Packers season ends in Atlanta it will be because of poor play in the secondary.

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GRB1531's picture

January 18, 2017 at 11:39 am

The pass rush is one of the weakest of the top 15 teams in the league. If there was more pressure on the quarterbacks, the wide receivers would not have as much time to get separation from the backs. How many sacks have the Pack have is the last three games? Not very many. We need a legitimate free agent pickup to get to the QB.

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Since'61's picture

January 18, 2017 at 09:28 am

If Rodgers would have more SBs with Belichick it would be because of Belichick as his GM, not because of BBs coaching. As GM and HC Belichick consistently plugs in players that he needs to win today.
However, it should be noted that since Rodgers came into the league in 2005 the Patriots and Packers both have one SB win each. The Patriots have made it to 3 SBs since 2005 but have only one victory. The Patriots lost to the Giants 2X in the SB in the same seasons that the Packers were eliminated by the Giants. So it seems to me that since neither QB was able to get past the Giants in the same seasons Rodgers would still have only SB with BB same as he has with MM. Thanks, Since '61

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ironman3169's picture

January 18, 2017 at 06:50 pm

Some pretty sound logic there. Hard to argue.

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MarkinMadison's picture

January 18, 2017 at 09:43 am

I was looking at cap numbers last night and noticed something pretty damn interesting. Green bay ranked 5th in cap spent on offense, 7th in cap spent on defense, and 10th in available cap space. The Packers are spending money.

How can all of these things be true? The Packers are 30th in dead cap money with $3M. The Patriots have even less dead money on the books with about $1.5M. So the bottom line here, I think is that both the Pats and the Packers are keen to make sure they are getting good value.

Maybe the Pats are just a little better at dumping their own guys and finding someone else. Then again, isn't that what has left the Packers' cupboard bare at CB? Maybe the mystique of the Pats having so many Super Bowl appearances under Brady/BB makes NE a more attractive destination? Maybe FA players would rather be in Boston than Green Bay? Maybe the Packers don't kiss ass enough during FA visits? I don't know.

Would Rodgers have more rings in NE? Probably not. The Pats have won exactly ONE Super Bowl win during the course of Rodgers' career. The same number he has in Green Bay. Everything else is perception based on the memory of the great run the Pats had in the early part of Brady's career.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

January 18, 2017 at 09:51 am

Not sure if he'd have more rings, but I much prefer the way we do business. Not nearly as many ethical question marks with the Pack.

This should have been answered in the 2014 season where we would have mopped the floor had we not had the complete breakdown in Seattle. Perhaps this question will be put to bed when the Packers squash the Pats in 2.5 weeks.

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Lphill's picture

January 18, 2017 at 10:06 am

The Patriots would not leave it up to a group of inexperienced and banged up corners to make a SB run. They would have found some help, the Packers are hoping for a miracle from our defensive backs. I will be praying for a miracle too but I would feel better if there was one experienced DB .

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dobber's picture

January 18, 2017 at 10:23 am

Packers signed Bene Benwikere to the practice squad earlier this week. He's got significant NFL experience with the Panthers...of course, the questions are...
1. ...why didn't they do this sooner?
2. ...if he's been on the street so long, what's wrong with him?

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Nick Perry's picture

January 18, 2017 at 11:27 am

I read that he was torched by Julio Jones for over 300 yards in the season opener and then cut. I remember him from the Panthers run last year, he wasn't THAT bad. I still think Joe Whitt is one of the best CB coaches in the NFL and at the very worst the Packers are thinking about next year maybe? In the short, short, term if this Benwikere is healthy this weekend I hope he dresses. He's played Atlanta several times and could be helpful perhaps...

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-press-release/article-1/P...

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Norm's picture

January 18, 2017 at 12:16 pm

I doubt Benwikere is going to be active this weekend. First of all they'd need to promote him from the practice squad and drop someone else from the roster. I suppose if they thought Rollins' or Randall's injuries are serious enough that could happen, but it doesn't appear to be trending that way. Maybe if Michael is deep enough in the doghouse, but I don't think that will happen either. Maybe swap places with Callahan and move him to the PS? I don't see Callahan suiting up in the next two games and while I'm not up on PS rules I suspect he's still eligible (maybe a mysterious 'injury' could land him on IR so they don't lose him).

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dobber's picture

January 18, 2017 at 01:33 pm

"He's played Atlanta several times and could be helpful perhaps..."

I think that might be the key, right there. He's had some "up-close-and-personals" with the Atlanta offense and with a Carolina defense that had success against them last year. He could at least provide additional scouting info...although it's not as if the Packers never play the Falcons.

I think he got bit by the "no Josh Norman on the field" bug that bit that whole Carolina defense this year. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see him active this weekend and playing in a limited role.

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Nick Perry's picture

January 19, 2017 at 06:49 am

"He could at least provide additional scouting info".

That's what I was thinking. Not that the Packers NEED help scouting the Falcons, but he's definitely played many more snaps against Jones and Company and might be helpful in the CB room.
With all the injuries in the secondary i"d be sort of surprised if he wasn't active Sunday.

ALL these injuries drive me nuts. Dallas barely had an injury report and neither does Atlanta.

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dobber's picture

January 19, 2017 at 07:29 am

They also had byes, and nagging injuries tend to go away with byes.

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dobber's picture

January 18, 2017 at 10:24 am

Sorry...multiple.

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RocsCave's picture

January 18, 2017 at 10:17 am

Would Rodgers have more is a slim possibility. Would Rodgers have as many is highly possible/likely.
The question is whether each would have performed equally if both played under the scenarios that have been for each team...players, coaches, gm, schedule etc. I would think Rodgers would likely have achieved more.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 18, 2017 at 03:55 pm

Aaron and Tom Brady have the same number of SB. You can not count seasons before Aaron came to NFL...

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

January 18, 2017 at 10:55 am

Rodgers is the superior QB--he's Brady with better feet.

He'd have won more, not just because of Belichick. People overlook the Patriots' outstanding GM and college scouting, which have consistently produced more talented teams than those surrounding Rodgers.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

January 18, 2017 at 10:59 am

Btw, yes, Belichick serves both roles, but I'm sure he's heavily dependent on his scouting department due to his coaching workload. The leaders there are the unsung heroes in New England.

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pacman's picture

January 18, 2017 at 12:18 pm

As someone who has called to move on from MM, I would like to add that my complaints on him were based on what seemed to be coaching perfomance alone.
1. Lack of killer instinct. Playing safe when up by 'only' 2 scores. How many times did we see that fall apart?
2. Being over aggressive when the teams performance didn't warrant it. Recall the timeout towards the end of the halfs/game assuming his D would hold.
3. Being over aggressive on the run on your own 42 when we have not shown much ability to bowl through a loaded box.
4. 4 game losing streak this year getting blown out because MM/AR didn't go for the short pickups to move the chains. IMO, this team could have been much better last year too and used the Nelson injury as an excuse. Though there's no question that Cook seems to be an important part of the new offense.

I posted earlier how he seems to have learned and moved on re: #4. And it is hard to totally differentiate between MM/AR without knowing who's calling what play. We are all arm chair coaches and I have no doubt that MM knows more that I ever will about coaching. But the Packers weren't getting it done. Too many 'accidents' happened along the way that showed being under-prepared. Chance favors the prepared mind and the Packers weren't getting it done too many times. Re: the D and CB's, I don't think we can know enough of what is really happening but I really hate when we rush 3 on 3rd and long.

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GBfaninMn's picture

January 18, 2017 at 01:28 pm

Wow, as usual you missed the whole point of the question. Would Rodgers have faired better in NE. Although I think the question is pointless. But Boston >green bay... C'mon. What kinda fan are you? Nevermind. Who cares. You don't even put that on there unless you are trying to piss people off. Well played. Tool.

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fthisJack's picture

January 19, 2017 at 08:10 am

you must lead a miserable little life....ever think about checking out?

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JDK52's picture

January 18, 2017 at 02:12 pm

You're missing the point.

Also, go away. This question was for Packers fans, not Patriots fans. Of course you would think everything Patriots is better.

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LayingTheLawe's picture

January 18, 2017 at 03:55 pm

That Cow. hes funny. You know like the way stepping on a Lego in your bare feet is funny. What a joke.

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dobber's picture

January 18, 2017 at 07:49 pm

You've told us that winning SBs is the only thing that matters, so who cares how many conference championship games they've gone to?

...or have you changed your mind?

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fthisJack's picture

January 19, 2017 at 08:07 am

your must be a miserable SOB in real life. nobody on here can stand you...does that make you feel powerful? go back under your rock.

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Mike McSchottenheimer's picture

January 18, 2017 at 01:33 pm

Off topic but since Thompson's name has been brought up I'd like to point out that neither Schneider's Seahwaks nor Dorsey's Chiefs are playing in Conference Championship week. The "experts" have always said Thompson is not as good of a GM because he doesn't sign "proven" veteran talent. Just throwing that out there. That is all.

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al bundy's picture

January 18, 2017 at 02:56 pm

Uncle Al says yes. As someone else mentioned, no draft and development, free agency, lots of players to carry the load. Note that he may not have more than Brady, the same but not more? But he would have more than being in GB, Favre as well.
As one analyst I heard today saying about the pack pass D, they dont have backups playing on D now they have backups to backups.
I tip my hat to them for what they are doing but hey Teddy, one or 2 free agents with some experience could have made this a lot easier. May even be playing all games at home Ted.

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fthisJack's picture

January 19, 2017 at 08:16 am

you and cow are miserable lil crybabies.

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JacFrost's picture

January 18, 2017 at 03:02 pm

I would say that Rogers would have more than he has now. Not a draft and development fan. Sorry.
I see a lot of three and four year players the Pack developed, didnt want to pay them and now thanks to Ted, they are having fine careers elsewhere.
Therefore Rogers wouldnt have to rely on training new people for the most part, he would have reliable bodies on both sides the ball.

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Lphill's picture

January 18, 2017 at 03:18 pm

COW can't man up and ever give Rodgers credit remember COW for the past several years has said '12' is washed up , I am just not sure if he is A Viking fan or like some say Bears fan , but no way is this ass a Packers fan .

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pacman's picture

January 18, 2017 at 03:41 pm

Agreed. I just wish everyone would ignore him - not talk about him and not reply to his comments. (Nuts, broke my own rule<g>)

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GVPacker's picture

January 18, 2017 at 04:28 pm

Lol,Good Post Pacman!

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 18, 2017 at 03:44 pm

Just saying. Have you ever seen Cow and Skip Bayless in a room at the same time?

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4thand1's picture

January 18, 2017 at 04:02 pm

cow is skip. either way they both suck

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LayingTheLawe's picture

January 18, 2017 at 03:59 pm

If he keeps changing his story enough, eventually the packers will lose a game and he can go see I was right all along. It is rare to see such total hatred for a team like that. Really weird he pretends to be a fan of something he hates so much.

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Norm's picture

January 18, 2017 at 06:43 pm

No, it's immaturity.

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Norm's picture

January 18, 2017 at 09:17 pm

While I don't for a second believe you're actually a Packer fan Cow, I'll make believe that you are for a few minutes. From your posts you clearly aren't enjoying this playoff run, nor were you enjoying the end of season winning streak. To many faults to pick which makes you certain we won't win it all this year. You say you only care about Super Bowl wins, which of course we all want to see.

So at most then you can be happy only once a year. IIRC, you were even a miserable blowhard during the 2011 regular season when all the Packers did was win 15 games. We all saw the deficiencies of the defense and while we didn't ignore it we chose to revel in amazement at our MVP QB and unstoppable offense. We all were gut-punched by the one and done in the playoffs that year but most of us had 15 enjoyable weeks, while you had none.

I suspect if you were around in the 60's you would have had only 5 joyous days as a fan the entire decade, the most dominant decade by a team in NFL history. Sad!

It has been said that some of the greatest competitors in sports are that way because they hate losing even more than they love winning. That's fine for a coach or athlete and can result in true greatness, but I'm sure it makes for a pretty miserable life, especially in a field where you're swimming upstream against league-designed parity. But for a fan to hate losing even more than they love winning, that's a pretty miserable existence. So it's clear you're either not a Packer fan, or you're miserable. Most likely both. Or just a troll, but then that's pretty much the same thing as being miserable.

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Since&#039;61's picture

January 19, 2017 at 07:17 am

Norm - if COW was around in the '60s he would have advocated to fire Lombardi because he didn't win the NFL championship in '63 and '64 when the Packers came in second place in the old NFL Western Conference, just like he advocates to fire TT and MM every week nowadays. His frustration comes from his miserable Bears team, his immaturity is in how he expresses his frustration at the Packers. He will deny this of course but his anti- Packers posts have been too consistent for too long. Thanks, Since '61

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zeke's picture

January 19, 2017 at 09:17 am

It's attention-seeking behaviour. And we stupidly provide it (myself included).

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LayingTheLawe's picture

January 18, 2017 at 08:19 pm

I have read the posts. It is pure hatred. You are happy when the Packers lose and upset when they win. Rooting against something is never any fun in the end so go find a team you actually like.

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dobber's picture

January 19, 2017 at 09:17 am

Some people just can't stand to live with disappointment, so they destroy and beat down everything around them to keep from getting their hopes up.

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fthisJack's picture

January 19, 2017 at 08:18 am

end it once and for all....thank you.

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4thand1's picture

January 18, 2017 at 05:33 pm

What did I tell you about Adams last year you tool. You said he was a wasted pick and would never amount to anything. Now you're pretending to whine because he's sitting out of practice? You bring new meaning to "you suck".

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BELIEVER's picture

January 18, 2017 at 04:29 pm

OK cow maybe we win the SB maybe not. The Packers Cowboy game is why I watch, yes it would great if the Pack won the whole thing. That was a great game that. I enjoyed every minute of it. How many other fans that are not Packers fans can say that.. I/m still enjoying that game. Football is not black or white. It is how they play the game.

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stockholder's picture

January 18, 2017 at 09:00 pm

Earth to Cow. I don't care if Adams is gone or not. It gives A-ROD THE CHANCE TO WORK WITH COBB, JANIS, DAVIS AND ALLISON. The streak showed; the more A-Rod spreads that ball around, the better he Gets. Why are you doubting the MVP now? The Patriots do it all the time! You and everyone else are to concerned with replacing this guy or that guy. TT reaches for players anyway. It doesn't matter where we pick. What matters, is we wreck the Falcons. The Dallas game will be remembered for ever , if we take the Falcons down too. This defense is going to surprise the Falcons. We have some very good players that play great. Positive thinking Cow. Not persuasive thinking!

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Donster's picture

January 19, 2017 at 07:04 am

"And the winner of the Mr. Negativity Award for the 21st Century is...COW!

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fthisJack's picture

January 19, 2017 at 08:20 am

did you lose your pacifier? waaa, waaaa, waaaa.

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Finwiz's picture

January 19, 2017 at 08:30 am

Geez Cow, you got 11,357 thumbs down, about 4000 less than up.
Me thinks they're trying to tell you something? LOL

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croatpackfan's picture

January 18, 2017 at 04:05 pm

Only one question - please all you fans of FA, can you give us list of those fabulous and top talent FA who you think are better than players Packers already have. Can we see that list with names, not just "TT needs to sign high quality free agent". And, of course, those free agents have to show warranty against injuries (to avoid safety Bird situation 2 years ago he had with Saints!).
Can you please gave us that list? Any one of you, lovers of FA?

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Norm's picture

January 18, 2017 at 09:30 pm

Sure Croat, here is my list, all of whom are currently available:
- Jim Brown to replace Christine Michael
- Deion Sanders to replace Damarious Randall
- Lawrence Taylor, Derrick Brooks, Dick Butkus and Kevin Greene to replace our current LB's (LT might be in prison though I'm not sure)
- Ronny Lott to replace the injured Morgan Burnett
- Jerry Rice to replace Jeff Janis

That's probably all we need TT to sign.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 19, 2017 at 06:19 am

where is cap space for all of those players?
Also, are you sure they are all in proper condition for immediate playing

EDIT: Do they have warranty to avoid injury while practicing and playing? Are they willing to come to Green Bay?

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4thand1's picture

January 18, 2017 at 04:06 pm

This season has been a success. To make it this far with this secondary is ridiculous. Its all because of Rodgers, a healthy Adams and Cobb with Cook being the missing piece to the offensive puzzle. If Jordy plays this weekend, look out, the Pack will put up 40.

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dobber's picture

January 18, 2017 at 08:12 pm

I rest my case...

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fthisJack's picture

January 19, 2017 at 08:29 am

must suck to feel frustrated 95% of your life and then come on here and inflict everyone with your stupid, crybaby comments.

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Samson's picture

January 18, 2017 at 04:37 pm

Bill Belichick versus MM as HC??
MM would have had GB in the SB more than once ......if TT worked somewhere else. GB's weaknesses fall in TT's pay grade.
Rewriting the accomplishments of AR or Brady is a practice in futility. ------ They're the two best QBs in the 21st century. -- No need to compare them at all.

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Flow49's picture

January 18, 2017 at 05:42 pm

Better question: How many Super Bowl wins would each have if they traded Tight Ends that they've had during this time period. Just visualized Gronk in Green and Gold and about 2-3 more Lombardi Trophies sitting in that glass case under Lambeau.

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Amanofthenorth's picture

January 18, 2017 at 05:46 pm

This is not a "great" topic it's stupid,

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Lphill's picture

January 18, 2017 at 07:01 pm

Hey the more negative posts COW makes the more the Packers keep winning so keep it coming.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 19, 2017 at 06:21 am

Finally you got it!

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