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Packers Question of the Day: Given up on Damarious Randall?

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Packers Question of the Day: Given up on Damarious Randall?

It's been a rough start to the season for Damarious Randall, who needed more than anyone to have a bounce-back year after he struggled through injury and poor play in 2016.

The Packers' first-round draft pick in 2015 struggled to cover Julio Jones in his limited coverage snaps against the All-Pro wide receiver Sunday night in Atlanta.

Was it another setback in the young and once thought to be promising career of Randall? Jones could make a fool out of virtually any cornerback, but where do you stand?

It's important to keep in mind, the entire team as we know it naturally starts slowly during the early stages of the season, much like a variety of NFL franchises. It's week two, and not jumping to irrational judgements would be ideal.

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Handsback's picture

Randall is not a man-to-man coverage guy. Maybe send him back to the Safety group and let him compete there.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

My question is why do they make high draft picks of guys who don't fit their scheme? Capers wants to run Press Man on the edges. It's not easy so they need to draft guys that have tape doing it.

KenEllis's picture

I was told Randall & Rollins were ready for breakout years in 2017 and the 2016 performance was all due to injuries.

I was also told that Datone Jones was ready to breakout in year 3 and then would be an entirely different and more productive player in year 4 when he moved from the line to OLB. Jones of course is currently on the street after getting cut by the Vikes.

Moving Randall to safety, where he would now be behind HHCD, Burnett, J. Jones, Brice, and Evans, won't happen until this upcoming offseason in a last desperate attempt to prove TT's first round drafting prowess.

dobber's picture

I was told in an email that the Prince of LIberia wants to shelter $8M in my bank account and that I can keep a bunch of it. Guess I'll not be talking to you suckers any time soon! ;)

Don Hutson's picture

Please buy out Randall's contract.

dschwalm's picture

Ken, who 'told" you this stuff or did you read it in a publication(s)???????????

OrganLeroy's picture

The problem is and always has been Ted over drafting players that simply aren't as talented as he thought and don't fit our defensive schemes. Datone , round hole, square peg, but cram him in there anyway because he's a 1st round pick.

freddisch's picture

Both Randall and Rollins are busts. Get over it and move on. Keep TT away from the defensive draft board, his track record sucks

The TKstinator's picture

Datone was a 3-4 DE at UCLA and was supposed to be a great fit.
Well, he turned out not to be.

Finwiz's picture

I think Randall can still be a somewhat decent CB. (edited for Duke)
I don't think he should be covering a teams number one receiver, but that probably limits him because most teams don't have their best CB mirror the opponents best receiver. I thought in training camp they had Rollins playing outside, and Randall was in the slot? What happened with that experiment? Unfortunately I don't think he tackles well enough to be a safety, so you are kind of stuck with him until the rookie contract is up.
I wonder when TT is going to give up on the position conversion players, and just get pure CB's and safeties, guys that played the position in college.

Duke Divine's picture

descent; an action of moving downward, dropping, or falling.

I think you hit the nail on the head with your typo!

scullyitsme's picture

Damn, that was almost positive Finwiz. Want a glass of milk with those cookies?

dobber's picture

Tell him they're chocolate chip, then give him raisin cookies instead... ;)

Steve Cheez's picture

I hate it when that happens!

Finwiz's picture

I'm not in a despondent state, or angry and defensive like Croat, so I'll pass!
But if it comes to that, chocolate > cookies.

Kidding aside, I like Randall because I see great quickness and speed, and that can't be taught. He's been injured a lot so let's see how he looks toward the end of the contract. They let Datone play out his contract, so they can certainly afford to be patient with 23. I guess we should consider the level of competition and understand that JJ will do that to a lot of CB's.
I didn't hear anyone screaming for his head after the Seattle game.

Spud Rapids's picture

Finwiz... i'm with you on Randall. I think he has the talent but he is so inconsistent. He has flashes of solid play and then gets lost on the next play.

I'm not ready to give up on him yet but dang he doesn't have much time to change my thoughts

dblbogey's picture

Sounds like he needs to grow up and get his head straight,, for starters.

Finwiz's picture

Jesus - people are really down on Randall. They didn't lose this game because of Randall, I got news for ya'all. Start with pressure up front, which they got very little of, unlike the prior game against Seattle. They got no push in the middle to make Ryan uncomfortable. You give any NFL QB more than 4-5 seconds and he'll find an open receiver. So I guess Randall is going to be the new whipping boy now that Gunters gone? At least Randall has talent and speed, both things Gunter was lacking. Give the guy a chance to get completely healthy after the last couple of years, and then reevaluate.

rdent's picture

They will wait until his contract is up before they make any decision and they might as well, if he continues to suck they have what appears to be a good back up plan named Kevin King.

Don Hutson's picture

UCLA produces a lot of busts.

Christopher Gennaro's picture

or guys that great freak injuries, thou your point is true, when tt drafts them.

Christopher Gennaro's picture

Randall from arizona state

mattnphx's picture

I watched Randall as a rookie and saw wide receivers run right past him..he's just not fast enough..sorry! Randall is not an NFL quality Cornerback. Perhaps/maybe a safety.. The game is all about speed...the fastest team.. getting to cover quicker. to the receiver faster. to the quarterback faster. etc.etc. Randall is a huge bust!

TheVOR's picture

Totally Agree, dudes a bust. now Kevin King? That kid acts like he belongs, as does Josh Jones, they both need to be out there.

rdent's picture

It's a shame too, TT had a shot at drafting a big name CB in that draft but picked this Randall who I never heard of until they drafted him and he played Saftey in college.

freddisch's picture

TT thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. He has proven time and again that he is not..

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Rdent, who was this big name CB that TT should have taken in 2015?

I can't think of anyone who has been actually good. Steve Nelson, Ronald Darby, Jalen Collins haven't been disasters, I suppose. None of them are #1 CBs, or #2 CBs for that matter. The only good CB I can think of was Marcus Peters, who was picked 18th. We had #30.

Christopher Gennaro's picture

Thank you sir, I went back and looked and there was no one, before or after that was rated any higher. Wish we had peters

croatpackfan's picture

I think it is the game of patience. There was some positives on his rookie season. Last season he was injured. Surgically repaired groin maybe take from him necessary quickness. Maybe that is main problem.

Sometimes injury is not only season ending but can change the whole carrrier of the sportsman. I do not wish that to Damarious Randall.

Still I think he can be used in slot and perhaps in zone coverage...

KenEllis's picture

Could not agree more it is all about patience, patience, patience when it comes to TT's draft picks.

I wish we'd also have shown more patience with Datone Jones & Eddie Lacy.

I mean they were 1st & 2nd round picks in 2013, just like Randall & Rollins were 1st & 2nd round picks in 2015.

If we'd just have been more patient with Jones & Lacy we could have gotten all that production that the Seahawks & Vikings are now getting from TT's great picks from 2013.

I, for one, have no doubt that Randall & Rollins will be equally as effective as D. Jones & Lacy in years 3 & 4 of their time in Green Bay.

rdent's picture

Jones was cut by the Vikes so if GB wanted him all they have to do is pick up the phone and Ed Lacy is currently riding the bench in Seattle.

dschwalm's picture

Thanks for setting him straight - poor guy.

Nick Perry's picture

I don't think they got your post KenEllis...Otherwise you'd have 15 "Likes"

Duke Divine's picture

I feel he's headed toward bust status quickly.

What I can't figure out is why he was assigned to Julio after the signing of House. I recall a few years back the Mashed Potato Mike and Domfounded Capers waited until Julio had 8 recects for about 200 before they thought to put House on him who actually slowed him down a bit. 31 should have been on 11 from start to finish or let King follow him the entire game. Why Randall had that assignment for any snap was gross negligence on the coaching staff. Arm chair coach here, but it seems obvious sometimes, doesn't it?

Finwiz's picture

>What I can't figure out is why he was assigned to Julio after the signing of House.<

I'll give you a couple of reasons why...1st - he's their number one draft choice, he had a good camp, and they think he's faster than House.
2nd, if you watched House against Seattle, you saw him get totally smoked by Lockette on a play, and the only thing the prevented a TD was Wilson was under pressure, had to release a touch early, and overthrew him.

CAG123's picture

That's just silly so what if Randall is a bit faster then House, House is clearly more physical you saw how JJ just shrugged him off like it was nothing and House is bigger. In that same Seattle game we saw Randall give up two big plays before the half against a nobody slot receiver so what's your point? Doug Baldwin is extremely underrated

Finwiz's picture

Don't shoot the messenger - it was the Packers that put Randall on JJ, I'm not on the coaching staff.
I'm offering reasons, trying to figure out why.
Sheesh.
Go easy bruh.

Duke Divine's picture

House is the least targeted CB in the entire NFL through two weeks of the season!!!!! Obviously opposing QBs know to go at "faster" Randall rather than go at House ! Randall "had a good camp" ???? You must be talking about Hawkins....Who i just remembered is on the team, apparently Capers and Tater forgot he was on the team too. I don''t give a crap where someone is drafted especially when it was 3 years ago. Hawkins should be ahead of Rollins and Randall on the depth chart based on two things: the good ol fashioned eye test and Rollins and Randall's performance dating back to last year...

Finwiz's picture

Newsflash Dukester.....

You ain't on the coaching staff, and they aren't reading Cheeseheadtv for advice. Hawkins isn't going to be playing over Rollins or Randall, short of an injury. Better get used to it. And yes, they were saying how good Randall looked in camp, recovered from injuries. Rollins too.

Again - don't shoot the messenger bruh.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Wilson overthrew Lockette, not Baldwin, deep after Daniels pressured him.

RCPackerFan's picture

I haven't given up on Randall. Its game 2 going into game 3, I haven't given up on anyone yet.

That being said Randall has to play better for sure. To me it looks like Randall is playing with a lack of confidence and has been playing on his heels more then being aggressive. Perhaps one good play could change things for him to regain his confidence.

Razer's picture

Year 3 for Randall, year 2 for Randall playing without confidence. If he goes back to playing 10 yards off, I doubt he will see much more patience.

GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

Randall and Rollins are playing with a lack of talent. They are both wasted draft picks. It should be obvious.

tm_inter's picture

After seeing small DBs like Randall, Rollins, Brice struggling against big receivers, I'm leaning toward getting bigger and speedier DBs like King and Josh Jones in the future.

Small DBs simply can't cover or tackle big receivers and tight ends any more.

I'd like to try Lenzy Pipkins in the next game. With the performance of Randall and Rollins thus far, what have we got to lose for trying Pipkins?

Trying to think outside the box, how about trying Jeff Janis at CB? He's big and fast and should be able to match big receivers of opposing teams.

L's picture

I'd rather the team give J.Hawkins an opportunity over Rollins first. See how that goes before involving Pipkins or taking time away from Randall.

Christopher Gennaro's picture

MM hasn't forgiven Hawkins mistake in last years game,(lions i believe where he jumped a double move by jones) and for that I don't think we will ever see him. Sad really

OrganLeroy's picture

Janis at CB? Ease up on the weed.

pipelinedave's picture

I was just thinking about the whole idea of playing Janis at corner. He was one of the only receivers that tested similar in agility to Julio jones,Calvin Johnson and AJ green for that size. Why wouldn't it work. There is no way it's worse than Randall and Rollins. No way. They were 6 feet behind Julio on just about every crossing route.

Finwiz's picture

I mentioned that last week when discussing Gunter's failures against ATL in the NFCCG. I was scoffed at of course, but it goes with the territory.
There's a place on this team for a guy with Janis's athleticism.
I certainly hope GB can somehow utilize his talents.

Razer's picture

So what is missing for Janis? FootballIQ, smarts, study habits - obviously something is missing. If he can't make it running down the field on a route and sticking his hands out how is he going to learn how to read the opposing offense. He needs to make the leap in his position.

rdent's picture

ST is Janis's bread and butter.

Nick Perry's picture

Hands??

Oppy's picture

The ability to back peddle nearly as fast as a WR runs forward, the ability to then flip your hips and run downfield at any given angle, is one of the most difficult athletic feats to master in all of football.

Are there WR's who have made the conversion to DB? Yes, on rare occasion. But it is hardly an overnight transition- it usually takes a few years during college- and do not underestimate the off-the-charts athleticism and sheer volume of dedication to drills, drills, drills that enables CB's to do what they do.

OrganLeroy's picture

You need to ease up on the weed as well!

dblbogey's picture

Or we could have double teamed Julio with Fackrell and Mason Crosby.

badaxed's picture

Janis can tackle and he is fast and he has hands. Better than the bozo's capers rolls out there.

pipelinedave's picture

I would really like one of these writers to write an article on this. It would be very interesting

lou's picture

Janis does not have the quick-twitch component and flexibility for the secondary, one of the reasons he has had issues with the WR route tree, even though he has the size/speed combo and is a fearless tackler. On the other had Adams does have the quick twitch for comparison .I still don't understand why the Janis talent combo is not used as a complimentary WR to not only take the top off of the defense and to run the same crossing routes sideline to sideline that Julio Jones runs ? With Janis size and speed and no fear going over the middle they would have to interfere with him or like Jones, after the catch he would break their tackles. What a great change of pace besides the possible reverse he has run well in the past to give him a selected amount of snaps at WR.

Finwiz's picture

I think it's possible we don't get the entire story on what they see with Janis in practice. Perhaps his hands aren't reliable and he drops too many?
I know when they tried to use him last year, he had several drops right in his hands. He also didn't compete for the ball on a couple of plays where he had to go get it. I'm just guessing, but for a guy with all his athletic talents, there has to be some reason they don't give him a shot. At this point I doubt it's the lack of playbook knowledge.

dobber's picture

"Janis does not have the quick-twitch component and flexibility for the secondary"

I disagree with you here. He's got great change of direction. He actually testing almost identically with Kevin King and better across the board than many #1 WR out there...including Jordy Nelson who he beats significantly in most areas. I wouldn't be surprised if he's got the attributes to play out there.

IMO the "quick-twitch" element that Janis lacks is between his ears. He's not stupid, I just don't think the game is ever going to slow down for him. Even this off-season, in an interview, he talked about being too mechanical in his route-running. He was predetermining most of what he was going to do and not making adjustments during the play. Supposedly that's changed this preseason...and he was his usual good preseason self. It's hard to say if that made any difference. Clearly, based on Sunday night, he's at the bottom of the WR depth chart, so we may never see if those changes have happened, but I'd rather see him out there than Trevor Davis.

rdent's picture

I have heard of the saying "75% of athletic ability comes from the neck up"

zoellner25's picture

I think the Kevin King pick is a direct result of what the Packers feel like they missed on with Randall, i.e., a big physical CB with elite speed.

Qoojo's picture

There's a pretty long list of CBs that can't cover Julio Jones, and it makes no sense to make that the litmus test for giving up on CBs. I think the real question that should be directed at Dom and MM is "Why did it take so long to try another CB on Jones?"

This article should be titled "Given up on Capers?" Because it was pretty clear during the first drive that Jones was simply too fast and big. But Capers and MM usually are slow to use rookies because of the inexperience and errors.

Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

I like Janis, but I seriously doubt he has the hips and quickness out of cuts to mirror opposing receivers.

As for Randall, the clock is ticking. Perry eventually came around, while Datone Jones did not.

I really wish Ted's top picks would blossom more quickly.

dobber's picture

I'll be honest: Janis seems to be better when he's reacting than when he's dictating. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't pretty good at mirroring opposing receivers...and beating the crap out of them at the LOS.

I'm not condoning moving him to CB. I think that would be a waste of time.

Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

I've always seen Janis as more of a blazing long-strider than a mirror guy, although I'd love to see his special teams physicality on our defense.

But hey, he's too established at WR to learn all new skills at this point. Couldn't we finally give him some offensive plays this week against Cinci? I'd like to see Nelson and Cobb heal up for Chicago rather than rush back.

dobber's picture

I think this is his chance. I'll bet on Cobb sitting this week. If Nelson really had a bruise and not a pull, I think he plays. That's something that won't re-injure. That pushes the Packers into the realm of thinking about putting Davis or Janis on the field, and I'd rather see Janis. Davis has shown next to nothing at WR.

Still, when Allison was taking his league-imposed sabbatical last week, they had the chance to play Davis or Janis and they chose to play Kendricks. I think you're right: Cobb and Nelson would both have to sit for Davis and/or Janis to see much of any action on offense.

Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

Out on a limb here, but even with a bruise, I think Nelson joins Cobb on bench for Cinci. We really need guys healthy gor the Bears game. Sadly, I expect the same for Daniels.

I'd get all 4 of our remaining receivers some serious play against Cinci, since I believe we'll struggle defensively without our top gun.

Man, I hope our offensive tackles return.

Finwiz's picture

I just heard that Ian Rapoport is reporting Jordy is 50/50 to play against Cincinnati.

dobber's picture

Until these guys are actually out there moving around...which they won't do in earnest until Wednesday, I don't think Rapoport has much to go on.

Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

Any word on the other guys?

dblbogey's picture

I also heard Bulaga would start in the Atlanta game.

rdent's picture

If Nelson is sitting Janis may get some snaps.

Packer Fan's picture

Don't give up on Randall or Rollins yet. They still can be serviceable against some teams. But King and Jones need to play to become better.

So, this years top two draft picks. Fast and big. And with a demeanor of tough and aggressive. 2015 top two draft picks, Randall and Rollins, slower and smaller. And without that tough demeanor.

These are TT's mistakes.

dobber's picture

Randall's draft scout really showed a tweener: small and lacks physicality when compared to safeties, but rating as being bigger than average and more physical than most CBs. His scouting reports actually listed him as being a reasonably physical player.

It was a draft projection to outside CB that had most of us crossing our fingers. I think the outside CB experiment has largely run its course. Like Adams and Cobb playing better across from a true #1 WR (as most complementary WR do), Randall would be better on the outside playing across from a Sam Shields (or some other good CB) so they can shade safety help in his direction. I think that's when he was most effective as a rookie...someone else can help me on this one.

At this point, I think he belongs in the slot if he's going to contribute.

Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

Slot sounds perfect to me.

With King, House, and Randall on the field, that's a pretty good amount of speed overall at CB.

Razer's picture

You would think. In the first two games, I have seen more of those guys frantically chasing guys from behind than effectively covering, jamming or deflecting passes. The only difference in games has been our ability to overwhelm the opposing O-line and force the QB into an early throw. So far, the secondary on this Packer team is a liability.

Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

Agreed.

dobber's picture

As Sam Shields showed, all it takes is one good CB to make the secondary fit. You're on, Mr. King?

Since &#039;61's picture

I would not give up on Randall yet. Maybe he could be an effective nickel or dime DB. I know that much more is expected of a first round pick but he may never reach the point where he can play CB full time.

Fortunately we have solidified our safety position. the next step should be to stabilize one side of the boundary, like Revis did for the Jets and Pats, Sherman for the Seachickens and Adderly a long time ago for Lombardi's Packers. IMO we should start King and see if he can do that for the Packers.

Once the Packers know that they don't need to worry about one side of secondary they can run Capers defense much more effectively than they have, assuming our players remain healthy. Also, give Josh Jones more snaps. Maybe he is the guy that we move around instead of CM3. Jones can cover RBs and TEs plus he can blitz from the corner or from the inside. He should be our new version of Woodson and Capers should use him accordingly.

Daniels, Lowry and Clark on the DL, Perry and Brooks on the edge,CM3 inside, Jones roaming, King and a healthy House on the boundary, Burnett, and Dix at safety should give us our best 11 defenders on the field for most snaps. Use Randall and Rollins in nickel and dime packages. Bring Ryan and Martinez in for short yardage and obvious running downs. Our coaches are reluctant to go with new packages even though we see the same results for season after season. We have a need for speed, let King and Jones play. Thanks, Since '61

Razer's picture

With Brice injured, Jones should get more chances to play. He may be good enough but the big hurdle is to get theses guys to understand this stupid fucking defense. Sorry for the language but it takes forever for players to understand their roles and positions in the Capers schemes. We'll be watching blown assignments for the next months as the next generation of defense tries to learn how to play fast. We'll all be talking about the same thing after the next good offense that we play.

Razer's picture

With all the draft capital that has been invested in the defense, you'd think we would have a top ten unit. The Randall/Rollins class was suppose to address CB but here we are talking about our top pick being a bust. I don't have a lot of faith that either of these two guys will make the grade. They are not strong enough at the LOS and trailing thereafter.

So now we put all our hope on a lanky new kid to fix the problem that we keep failing to rectify. We have numerous weaknesses on this defense from the Dline to the LBs that our drafting has never fixed. Lucky that Packer fans are a faithful lot that hopes things will get better with more games.

Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

Bottom line: Ted has used far too much draft capital on defense for the results shown.

No excuses.

Razer's picture

Unfortunately I agree. Top picks for the last five years and we have moved on from more picks than featuring them in a young, fast defense. Tick tock.

pipelinedave's picture

I believe it was on this site that they posted the combine results for Janis and his agility. Maybe the author can find it. With as physical as he is being a gunner I would bet a significant amount of money that he would grade out as a better corner than Randall and rollins over the course of a year. Did you guys see where PFF had them guys ranked??!!! It was like 110-115 out of 125. That's horrid

Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

Are you sure it wasn't 110-115 out of 110-115?

dobber's picture

It would take at least a year to get him to the point where they could figure out whether he could even compete out there...

But then, he could play special teams and no defensive snaps just as easily as he now plays special teams and next to no offensive snaps.

pipelinedave's picture

Exactly. He's not playing on offense as it is. And he could still come in as a WR in a pinch. Apparently all he can do is run a go route. Why don't they bring him in like that and just have him run go routes? You can't mess that up.

dobber's picture

I disagree: he runs jet sweeps well and he can run short to mid-range crossers. But that's not what you expect to use your uber-athletic 6'3", 220 lb prototypical outside WR for...

al bundy's picture

I'll play Jimmy Johnson. First question, before drafting him, what is his 40 time and size. Second what was his record and injury history? I bet knowing nothing of him, he doesn't Tate high on any of this.

egbertsouse's picture

B-U-S-T!!!!

egbertsouse's picture

B-U-S-T!!!!

Dave in Texas's picture

While I agree with many of the suggested changes, we all know Capers is not going to make an overhaul. My guess is we are seeing the defenders Capers planned to use all spring and summer. It's really no different from what he did as last seasons injuries forced him to change to this nitro. The only change is they replaced Gunter with House. IMO only injuries will bring about any drastic changes.

The injury to Brice opens the door. Capers can now add either Evans or Jones. If he goes with Evans, Burnett would stay put. If he goes with Jones, there could be a double switch. Burnett might be moved back into the SS position and Jones take Burnett's position as the hybrid. I hope that is what happens.

King? Just throwing an idea out that I have been chewing on. I am thinking King should replace Rollins in the slot. His length and quickness would be very helpful working across the middle of the field, IMO. That would leave Randall and House outside the safeties could provide help to Randall's side.

Bure9620's picture

We are nearly 48 hours removed from the shellaking, and now with thr ability to think more clearly. This blowout may be the best thing that could have happened to the packers in the long run.

Hear me out,
Damarious Randall has not been getting the job done and actually Rollins has been worse if you take into consideration he has given up 11/11 completions in the first 2 games

billybobton's picture

who was down on randall after the first game? anyone who paid attention.

even SI saw it, of course some people who write actually watch first

GRAMLING: You had mentioned this Andy, in your film-study notes that came out on Friday, your 10 Things I Think: That Packers secondary really didn’t look better in the opener, it was just a matter of, Russell Wilson was swarmed immediately on every snap. They were exposed tonight, and this one got away from them early.

BENOIT: Yeah, it did, and I thought they were exposed by Seattle last week, just the ball didn’t happen to be thrown. But when you put on the all-22, you still see those guys getting beat.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/18/nfl-week-2-green-bay-packers-secondary...

canadapacker's picture

My problem with Randall is that he plays with nothing between his legs. I mean you have to be willing to get your nose dirty and stick your head into tackles. You dont just swing your arms out and try to bring a guy down. You put your head in there and wrap up. You must be willing to really try and hit somebody. The odd blown coverage happens, there is the odd time that guys will be bigger than you and out fight you for the ball, but you must limit the damage by making the tackle and that means getting your nose dirty and getting in there.

Bure9620's picture

These deficiencies have reared their head early against a good offense and will force personal changes, the season is very young, I predict by the end if the year House and Kind will play on the outside with Hawkins in the slot.

Would we rather have a fake performance agaisnt bad qbs and think the corners are good 10 games in?

Remember last year 5 games in the packers were the number 1 rush defense? Until Zeke shredded us? I Will take a wake up call forcing change than fake success.

Fordham Ram's picture

Possibly Randall's bad game was due to Daniels departure. Last week Wilson was pressured , this week Ryan had much more time to throw and look what happened. Add Julio to that and one could argue he was having a big game no matter what given the lack of consistent pressure. See what Randall does in Cincy, if he sucks trade him for Micah Hyde or Casey Heywood. I miss those guys, they were good.

al bundy's picture

I admit I do not know the tail of the tape on this guy but I can relate to Jimmy Johnson once saying he recruited speed and drafted speed because its the one thing you cannot coach.
From running track I know exactly what he means.

Does this guy have the measureables to play the game? Speed, height, tackling ability? This is year 3 and were still waiting for development?

CAG123's picture

I just don't think he matches up well with physical receivers he does have the traits to be a good slot corner as does Rollins. He's just too small and not feisty small like the Honey badger that guy is hardly outmatched

BPEARSON21's picture

Randall is a bust. He's not an NFL player. He wouldn't start on any other team. Rollins is no better. We're losing games because of our D specifically our corner backs. We're wasting away Aaron Rodgers career with bad defenses. We don't have time to develop guys anymore. The time is now. Start trading away some draft picks and start spending some money on proven NFL players with whom we know what we're getting. We need to start turning this defense around and it starts with moving on from busts like Randall and Rollins. I'm too lazy to go pull their stats again for the 2343984729847324x on this channel but I will if I have to. They don't look good out there, they have bad numbers... what more do you want. Sure Randall is quick.. yay.. he has also statistically been bottom 3 worst CB in the entire NFL for almost 3 years... what else do you need. Ship him off to the Browns to develop, we don't have time for it.

CAG123's picture

He wasn't bottom 3 in his rookie year and this is his third year

flackcatcher's picture

Randall, like every DB looked slow Sunday night. The Falcon's field makes every visiting team look slow. Just look at how badly the NFL Referee crew was. They never quite were able to get in position for calls all night. They, like the visiting teams will adjust, and the falcons will lose some of their advantage. I think Randall is still dealing with his post concussion effects from Seattle, and it show up in his back pedal and snap. Green Bay will never admit they put someone out of the field who was not physically ready to play. Randall is a gamer who wants to play. Beating the tests for concussions is something all NFL players do. It up to teams to protect their players from themselves. Listen to MM comments on King, then go back to the Seattle game when Randall went out and was later announced to be in the concussion protocol with Brooks. In that context, MM is not vague at all. My guess, Randall plays little, if at all. Why, because the packers screwed up, and put an injured player out on the field.

Patric Moncada's picture

I would honestly prefer them throwing Hawkins and Pipkins into the mix to get some real experience/tape and see how they perform when it matters, they may surprise when given a real chance.

badaxed's picture

Same cast at starting db. Same director. Same producer.
Same results. Predictable story. Same ending to this show until we get new director, New producer, and new cast.

chuckv's picture

ok nobody seems to be able to stop Jones.. so why not train a guy like Jeff Janis to as a special assignment to be ready to run this guy step for step and nail him .. Janis has the speed , the tools to tackle and have part of his team training to take out Jones (legally) in the next meeting ... having a guy that is as fast, can tackle and be trained to be a special corner or back to stop Janis seems like an idea worth trying . nothing else has worked and he makes the packers look like (you fill in the word as i still so respect the team)... but it is time to think out of the box ... just a thought

dobber's picture

That sounds about like electing a billionaire, narcissist, egomaniac with absolutely no political experience in any arena (except maybe greasing the political wheel) president. Who in their right mind would do that? Oh, wait a minute...

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