Packers Question of the day - Capers' Stay Justified?

Mike McCarthy had nothing but praise for his defensive coordinator in his season-ending presser on Thursday. He all but confirmed, nor denied whether or not Dom Capers would return with the team next season, but all signs pointed towards his possible retention.

Longevity, consistency and familiarity are things that can be associated with Capers. Unless a clear, undisputed upgrade is already on deck, keeping Capers within the organization may be the smart move.

Offer your thoughts.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 27, 2017 at 09:12 am

I've been saying all along that the Packers need to either get a scheme that younger players can be successful in or sign some veterans who can execute Capers scheme.

Basically:
Capers is not wrong for the Packers.
Thompson is not wrong for the Packers.
Capers and Thompson together is wrong for the Packers.

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KenEllis's picture

January 27, 2017 at 12:45 pm

Of course Dom's stay is justified.

MM has declared the Packers had a HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL SEASON and that Dom Capers is an OUTSTANDING COACH.

Why on Earth would anyone want to get rid of an OUTSTANDING defensive coordinator who just led his defense to a SUCCESSFUL season?

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 27, 2017 at 01:36 pm

McCarthy is just offering "Alternative Facts".

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dobber's picture

January 27, 2017 at 01:48 pm

He also said that the team has not done it's assessment of all coaches and staff for the season yet. What else is he going to say about Capers at this point?

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KenEllis's picture

January 27, 2017 at 02:37 pm

What can you possibly say other than Dom is an OUTSTANDING coach.

Not an above average, not a good, not an admirable coach, but an OUTSTANDING coach. Period. End of discussion.

You don't move on from OUTSTANDING coaches.

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dobber's picture

January 27, 2017 at 04:20 pm

Until the money's on the table, praise like this in sports doesn't mean an awful lot.

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zoellner25's picture

January 27, 2017 at 09:15 am

Look, let's face it. MM knows more about football than all of us. If he says it was players and injuries and not Capers, I have to believe him. We are deficient at the CB position and with our pass rush. A better pass rush would cure a lot.

Draft a young OLB to replace 37 year old Peppers, re-sign Perry and draft a fast physical CB.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 27, 2017 at 09:24 am

Capers has 7 of the 10 worst playoff performances in Packers history.

If he doesn't have the talent fine, they need to fix it. But they aren't going be able to fix it the same way as before with rookies only. Otherwise Capers will have 8 of 10 if they are lucky enough to barely scrape their way into the tournament again.

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zoellner25's picture

January 27, 2017 at 09:30 am

True, they need better talent. He hasn't had very much defensive talent to work with. When was last time we had a very good ILB? DE/OLB (besides healthy CM3)? Our last good CB was Al Harris, how long ago was that? Our safeties are good but not great.

Our defense is below average due to talent.

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Finwiz's picture

January 27, 2017 at 12:19 pm

So then it's Thompson that doesn't know how to draft defensive talent? NO fault of Capers, right? Has to be one or the other, or both. Take your pick.

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SpudRapids's picture

January 27, 2017 at 12:08 pm

Take that stat with a grain of salt as Capers is also coaching in a different era of NFL football where it's commonplace and easy for teams to put up points in the high 30's

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Bert's picture

January 27, 2017 at 09:29 am

If we are looking at improvement in 2017 then the draft is not the place to look. It is highly improbable we will find an OLB and/or a CB at #28 that will make an immediate impact in 2017. If we want to see improvement for 2017 I think we need 1) Very big steps forward from Randall and Rollins 2) Sign a couple vet (not high priced) FAs at DB and LB 3) Big jump forward for the young LBs, Clark and Lowry. Re-signing Perry would be a very good move.

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zoellner25's picture

January 27, 2017 at 09:35 am

There are some very good CBs projected for Rounds 1-2.

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rdent's picture

January 27, 2017 at 12:31 pm

I agree with you about the draft, At pick 29 they aren't very likely to find someone who could step in and make an impact on the defense, and with Ted and Capers sticking around, just more of the same old same old,6 years with a lame defense and a 7th yet to come, wake me up when Ted and Dom are gone.

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 27, 2017 at 09:25 am

I'm not sure that anybody could've done a better job with the talent and the many injuries on this D this year. Read the other day that Matthews, Peppers, and Shields count for 22% of the team's salary cap, and there was barely any production from those 3 this season.

The problem is, the Packers have no real elite players on D anymore. Matthews is constantly injured, even though he plays through it, Peppers is over the hill, and I think we can all agree Shields will not be back either. Capers' scheme worked when he had Woodson, Collins, and a young Matthews with Raji and Pickett on DL. Without those elite players, one cannot play better.

And then of course there is the case of stunted development of Randall and Rollins, be it due to injury or maybe not. Regardless, having to play Gunter, Dorleant, Goodson, Hawkins, that's all fine as 4th or 5th CBs, but not as legit NFL starters at this point...

No pass rush either. Perry the only one who could muster something, and he also played the run real well, but where was the rest, on a consistent basis, not just some play here or there? And Capers tried a lot - Blitz, no blitz, zone, man,... didn't have the horses this year. So i wouldn't judge him based on this year, but it is correct, his scheme needs takeaways and big plays to consistently win.

My last point is, I think some forget that for some time this O wasn't good either. And the D saved them for a few games. So this season wasn't all that bad for this D...

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fthisJack's picture

January 28, 2017 at 08:47 am

not bad at all until it is third and 2 miles and capers rushes 3 and the DB are playing behind the sticks. how do you defend that? its been going on for years. 2014 should have been in the SB....capers fail!!! period! fire his ass already.

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Since'61's picture

January 27, 2017 at 09:32 am

IMO Capers should not even have been allowed to get on the plane back to Green Bay after his defense failed to take the field in Atlanta on Sunday. Or I could say they have reached the point where they executed the no tackle/don't get off the field until the opponent scores defense to perfection. I know, we had injuries, blah, blah and how can we expect to stop the Falcons because Rip fumbled and we missed an early FG, get the violins and cry me a river. How about going out on the field and making a stop instead of excuses. 44 points and 500+ yards of offense in inexcusable and unacceptable. In 3 playoff games this year Capers defense allowed 88 points or an average of 27 points per game. In 10 playoff games during his career Lombardi's defense allowed 104 points or an average of 10.4 points per game. Yes, I know it's a different era, free agency, salary caps, new rules blah, blah, excuses, excuses. I don't care which era you want to point to 44 points and 500 yards allowed is not just embarrassing defense, it is no defense. Period. Case closed. I hope I don't need to remind everyone that the outstanding Capers defense gave up 37 points to NYG in 2011 playoffs. Or 38 points to SF in 2012 or allowed the 49ers to run the last 5+ minutes off the clock in 2013 and let's not forget the 15 point collapse in less than 4 minutes in Seattle plus an immediate TD in OT in 2014. Then another collapse in AZ in OT in 2015 all leading to the brilliant defensive display in Atlanta this year of the don't get off the field until they score defense. 6 years, same story, same coach, same results, (actually getting worse), it is time to chuck this guy, get some physical and mental toughness on this defense with an approach that actually works. Period. Case closed. Thanks, Since '61

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NickPerry's picture

January 27, 2017 at 10:23 am

The blame can really only fall on one of two places. Either the man in charge of acquiring the talent isn't getting the job done, or the coaching staff isn't getting the most out of what he's given. It's really not any more complicated than that is it? I suppose you could say it's a combination of both in which case that would be the worst scenario for the Packers.

He didn't mention the Falcons being 10-13 on 3rd downs or piling up a total of 30 first downs for the game. 30 first downs! When a team is converting 76% on 3rd down and has 30 1st downs for the game it forces the offense to play PERFECT Football. Rodgers carried the team as far as he could, just like every other season since 2011.

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Since'61's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:19 am

Nick - absolutely correct!!! Great post as usual.
Instead of saying that Capers is an outstanding coach I wish MM would have said, I'm disappointed in how our defense played and I'm going to do what is necessary to make sure that it doesn't happen again. MM saying Capers is an outstanding coach has sent me a very bad message and tells me to expect more of the same, especially after six years of the same story.
Maybe, just maybe if Rodgers and the offense scores 50+ points per game our defense can hold down our opponents. Maybe the league should be called the outdoor NBA then at least we would have no reason to expect any defense to be played. Oh that's right, we're not playing any defense now anyway. But our defensive coordinator is an outstanding coach. At least we have that to fall back on when we allow 40+ points per game, 30 first downs, 500+ yards and a 76% 3rd down conversion rate. The off season will tells us if the Packers have any sense of urgency but I'm not expecting it. Thanks, Since '61

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Finwiz's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:50 am

Right - based on the way MM phrased it yesterday, I have zero hope - ZERO, this team will ever fix the defense, or win another championship with this guy in charge. He's lost the edge, or his mind, not sure which. The first clue to that is when they defy all logic and don't tell the truth about what's happening. You have to admit the faults or you aren't being honest.
He's totally delusional if he's going to say there wasn't any fault with coaching of that defense. I haven't felt this negative about the Packers chances for the future since before Wolf arrived. Something is going on between the coach and GM that isn't right. It would take a strong owners group, board of directors or Murphy to fix this. I'd bet Harlan would have. (fixed it)

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Tundraboy's picture

January 27, 2017 at 01:55 pm

"Instead of saying that Capers is an outstanding coach I wish MM would have said, I'm disappointed in how our defense played and I'm going to do what is necessary to make sure that it doesn't happen again. MM saying Capers is an outstanding coach has sent me a very bad message and tells me to expect more of the same, especially after six years of the same story."

Another gem Since 61. What does it take for MM to stop with the BS coach speak or make him embarrassed and angry enough as we are, to call it for what it is. Disgraceful performance and we are going to do everything to make sure it doesn't happen ever again.

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Since'61's picture

January 27, 2017 at 08:16 pm

Tundra - Thanks. No sense of urgency, the beat goes on. Focus on building Titletown. Football is becoming a side show hobby to management in Green Bay. Thanks, Since '61

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NickPerry's picture

January 28, 2017 at 06:17 am

Nice Tundra, both you and Since are right on the money about McCarthy's comments. Funny how many fans were embarrassed by the efforts of the defense yet McCarthy comes out and supports Dom. But then again he supported Slocum too and look how that turned out.

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NickPerry's picture

January 28, 2017 at 06:12 am

Exactly Since '61, McCarthy just "Co-Signed" the job Capers did and TT and Murphy are sitting somewhere counting their money saying we're the NFC North Champions!! We just made the NFCCG for the 2nd time in 3 years!! NO, that's not what happened. Rodgers made the Packers NFC North Champions. Rodgers carried the Packers to the NFCCG. PERIOD!

The week leading up to the Dallas Game you didn't hear about "The Packers", you heard about Aaron Rodgers. The only time you heard about the Defense was when it was asked if they could hold Dallas to 30 points.

The week leading up to the Atlanta Game it was the same except the concerns of everybody was could Rodgers keep up with Atlanta? Could Rodgers score 40 plus points to put the Packers in the SB because he would need 40. How in the hell is that an "Outstanding Job"? Hold em to 40 boys and HOPEFULLY Rodgers can carry us.

Jeremy told me to expect business as usual at 1265 Lombardi this offseason. Unfortunately I think he might be right as are you.

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Finwiz's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:33 am

Nick - people are FINALLY starting to get it! Good post.
IMO, the talent is not as poor as the coaches would have you believe.
I believe there are coaches that are treading on thin ice with the guy that is responsible for evaluating them.

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fthisJack's picture

January 28, 2017 at 08:53 am

i think the blame falls in both places. lack of talent and a DC that has failed to mold a top end defense that can hold its own in the playoffs. sure injuries come into play but come on....they are totally lost in coverage play after play, game after game.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 28, 2017 at 10:30 am

"He didn't mention the Falcons being 10-13 on 3rd downs or piling up a total of 30 first downs for the game. 30 first downs! When a team is converting 76% on 3rd down and has 30 1st downs for the game it forces the offense to play PERFECT Football. Rodgers carried the team as far as he could, just like every other season since 2011."

Perfect. What more needs to be said. Oh wait MM is compelled to give out praise??? Got to be kidding. That was absolutely the last thing I expected to hear.

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Finwiz's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:31 am

I'm surprised at you regarding your opinion on Capers. I didn't expect you would take this position, as you always seemed like more of a Packer apologist no matter what. That aside, you could NOT be more correct in that post. The guy has had what, one - top 10 defense in his 10 years, or whatever the length of time it is? So that MEANS he only had great talent in ONE year, and all the rest the talent was substandard/garbage? Don't buy any of this bilge, because that philosophy is essentially the employee's throwing the GM under the bus. It's either talent or defensive philosophy, right? One or the other. Pick one. Who is more proficient in their relative positions, Thompson as GM, or Capers as DC? This is how it boils down. Unless you want to say they're both substandard - that's your only other alternative. One or the other, or both, are not doing their jobs because they've only had ONE top ten defense in Capers tenure. This is really very simple, when you boil it all down. Good post Since '61!

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Since'61's picture

January 27, 2017 at 08:08 pm

Thanks Fin. I am and have mostly been a positive Packer supporter and will continue to be. However, when I hear and see MM come out with a comment like "Dom Capers is an outstanding coach and that doesn't change" it is very disturbing to me. I understand he doesn't want to publicly throw his guy under the bus. OK, at least come out and say that he (MM) takes full responsibility and he won't let it happen again. At least someone be accountable for the fiasco in Atlanta. I respect MM tremendously but at some point I need to say, "wait a minute, how stupid do you think we are?" If the Packers defense put up a fight and lost 24-21 or 30-27 I could take the BS. But after 6 seasons of playoff failure usually due to poor defense somebody needs to be accountable. I can't blame the players because CM3 is the only player here through it all. It's hard to accept that it is always lack of talent as the reason for annual collapses. MM's statement just tells me that the Packers management has no sense of urgency about winning the SB and that we can expect more of the same in 2017. And let's face it how are we going to draft a defensive difference maker(s) starting with pick #29? More D. jones and Randalls? NO thanks. During the season and playoffs I will never quit on the team. But once the results are in, then it's time to question why and how we failed again. To gloss it over with Capers is an outstanding coach is just ridiculous. Thanks, Since '61

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JHitTheB's picture

January 27, 2017 at 12:30 pm

Agreed the defense is HORRIBLE but Dom Capers is not the problem. Ted Thompson is. Who has he had to work with? Randall? Gunter? Rollins? Hawkins? All bums. (By the way in three playoff games this season GB faced Odell Beckham Jr, Dez Bryant, and Julio Jones - 3 of the leagues top receivers - you expect rookies to stop them? Get real). Joe Thomas is just awful. He couldn't tackle a cold. Shields? Usually hurt. Matthews? Usually hurt. Peppers? Close to your age. Perry is ok when he isn't hurt. Ha Ha, Burnett, and Hyde are decent. Jones, Daniels, and Ryan are decent at times. The rest is a bunch of no names who aren't good for much more than taking up roster space. You expect the guy to turn water into wine? You were probably on the fire McCarthy band wagon when Nelson, Cobb, Adams, Lacy, Starks and basically every O lineman were hurt and GB couldn't put up any offense too right? Last time Dom had some talent on D, GB won it all.

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Since'61's picture

January 27, 2017 at 08:27 pm

Haven't seen you here before so I will assume that you have not been reading my posts for the last 6 -7 years. I have never called for firing MM and I'm not usually a band wagon guy. However, that doesn't mean that I don't get concerned/disturbed when the defense plays as poorly as it did in Atlanta or if the offense plays poorly as well. I never give up on the team while they are playing. But now the season is over, the results are in and it's time to ask "what the hell is going on out there". Do I expect Capers to turn water into wine no. What I expect is something, anything that at least tries to resemble defensive football and makes it look like the Packers belong in the championship game. The performance in Atlanta was a long way from a championship performance. It wasn't like bringing a knife to a gunfight, it was more like bringing a slingshot to fight a Panzer division. And we got rolled over like the Falcons were a Panzer division. But what bothers me the most is that I don't see or hear any frustration from management. No accountability, that's what I am posting about. Not expecting miracles, just expecting accountability. If Capers had any integrity and/or self-respect he would retire/resign after a performance like that by his unit. This has gone for 6 seasons with and without talent. Thanks for playing. Since '61

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JHitTheB's picture

January 28, 2017 at 10:56 am

You just said it yourself. "GOING ON 6 YYEARS WITH AND WITHOUT TALENT." Your words. Going back 6 years - GB had star talent on D and won the SB. Who is left from that D? Matthews? We have not had a superstar defender since. Atlanta and Dallas boast 2 of the best offenses in the entire league. Seattle has one of the top defenses - even with all their injuries. Yet Matt Ryan destroyed Seattle's D too. Made it look like child's play. GB lost to a GOOD team. A very good team. A complete team. GB is not a complete team right now.

How come no one is on here blaming McCarthy for Rodgers' choke job in Atlanta? Taking sacks, throwing picks, missing wide open targets...No one is blaming McCarthy for Cook for dropping 2 wide open passes that would have been 1st downs. No one is blaming McCarthy for Rip's fumble. No one is blaming McCarthy for Mason's missed fg to start the game. But it's Capers' fault Randall and Gunter can't hold a Dez Bryant or Julio Jones? Pass that good stuff you're smoking man.

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badaxed's picture

January 29, 2017 at 05:04 pm

Accountability???????????? since when have the three amigos been accountable for anything.
I am waiting for Thompson to say "I am a very good General manager" or Capers to say "I am a very good Defensive Coordinator.
Rogers has save all their jobs............For now.

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rdent's picture

January 27, 2017 at 12:45 pm

Capers came up with a new scheme for the Atlanta game, it's called the " tire out defense." In that scheme they let the opponent run all over and up and down the field to tire out the other teams offense and it worked, by the 4th quarter Atlanta pulled players out they were so tired, good thing they have 12-13 days to rest before the SB.

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Since'61's picture

January 27, 2017 at 08:32 pm

Correct rdent. I call it the "no tackle defense" or the "don't get off the field until the other team scores defense". Try to exhaust your opponents offense by letting them run all over the field and then we can watch aaron Rodgers score 50+ points to win the game and if he doesn't then it's his and the offenses fault for not keeping up with their own defense. This would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic, but at least we have "Dom Capers is an outstanding coach" to fall back on. No accountability is the problem and that does not bode well for next season. Thanks, Since '61

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Tundraboy's picture

January 28, 2017 at 10:31 am

Thank you Since 61. You are a bit older than me but we share the same eras. There are a lot of Packer legends that would be ashamed of this so called defense, injuries or no injuries. They would have at least made ONE critical stop when needed.

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Since'61's picture

January 27, 2017 at 08:35 pm

Agreed Tundra. My concern/frustration is with the lack of accountability. If Capers had any integrity and/or self-respect he would resign or retire after his unit turned in such a miserable performance in a championship game. But he's not holding himself accountable and apparently no one else is either. So the beat goes on. Thanks, Since '61

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 27, 2017 at 09:33 am

This is the first year that I said I think its time for a change at DC.
I like Capers and he is a tremendous coach. But sometimes you need to make a change. Getting another voice in there with a different outlook can have a very positive affect.
The Steelers defense has improved since letting LeBeau leave. The last 2 years under LeBeau his defense ranked 14th and 18th in scoring. The last 2 years under new direction they have ranked 10th and 11th.

With what happened to the defense this year we can't blame on Capers. Playing the whole season without your top CB, and injuries to your 2nd and 3rd CB's. The top pass rusher was out half the season also. Not many teams can overcome that.

That being said we have seen a pattern under Capers.
He has a tendency of going conservative, playing soft, bend but don't break style of defense. We haven't been able to cover the middle of the field in a long time. And that is with 2 really good Safety's. 1 of which is a pro bowler.

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 27, 2017 at 10:32 am

ok that's fine. Please give me one name of someone who is available right now and you'd hire if you were Ted. Who can work with this group of players and field a better D?

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:00 am

I'm honestly torn on it.
I think Capers will do fine again but he was handicapped this year with the talent he had and the injuries they suffered. My question though is, does Capers get the most out of the players he has?

From training camp they had their 4th or 5th string CB covering OBJ, Bryant and Jones in 3 consecutive playoff games. I don't know if another DC could come in and do better with what they had.

Sometimes bringing in a different voice can get more out of players.

One guy that I really like is from the college ranks. Dave Aranda. He has learned a lot from Capers, but has his own version. It wouldn't be a drastic adjustment.
As far as who is available. I have no idea. And it would be McCarthy's job to hire them.

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dobber's picture

January 27, 2017 at 04:22 pm

Depends on what your criteria are: just about any positional assistant who would get a promotion by becoming a DC is available at this point because most teams won't block their positional assistants from interviewing.

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Dzehren's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:00 pm

No one on the packers staff that's for sure Capers advisor then hire:

Jerome Henderson ATL
Bryan Cox ATL
Raheem Morris. ATL

Travis Jones Sea
Tom cable Sea
Andre Curtis sea

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Dzehren's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:00 pm

No one on the packers staff that's for sure Capers advisor then hire:

Jerome Henderson ATL
Bryan Cox ATL
Raheem Morris. ATL

Travis Jones Sea
Tom cable Sea
Andre Curtis sea

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Dzehren's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:01 pm

Hire 1 of these to run the D

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Dzehren's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:01 pm

Hire 1 of these to run the D

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Dzehren's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:01 pm

Hire 1 of these to run the D

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carusotrap's picture

January 27, 2017 at 09:46 am

Capers may be a problem, but he's not THE problem. Pick any DC and give him the personnel Ted gave Capers, and it would have been 44 points and 500 yards.

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TommyG's picture

January 28, 2017 at 05:55 am

Agreed. Look at what Atlanta did to other teams this year. That club was not unaccustomed to putting up gaudy numbers on a regular basis.

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JHitTheB's picture

January 28, 2017 at 04:44 pm

Exactly. Dallas too. Those offenses averaged 30+ all season even against top defenses. Yet no one is talking about Aaron and the 0 points the offense put up against Atlanta's mediocre defense in almost 3 quarters of football WITH A TRIP TO THE SB ON THE LINE.

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StvHld's picture

January 27, 2017 at 09:55 am

Seems to me everyone kind of has the same idea. Capers did as well as can be expected with the talent he had. So we are talking about the wrong guy here. We should be talking about Ted Thompson. He is the one that should be gone if he can't supply the defense with some talent!

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Handsback's picture

January 27, 2017 at 10:24 am

TT hasn't built the depth that he should have over the years on the defensive side of the ball. It's hard to keep the D strong when the draft picks don't perform like they should and the GM is very cautious with FA. I want to see that defense healthy and then see how good they can be.
On the other side of the ball, all year I thought that Green Bay's offensive coordinator was a change that was needed. The last run of wins covered up the issues that the team had on that side of the ball.

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cpitt's picture

January 27, 2017 at 10:31 am

Lets be real people, Capers is a middle of the road d-coordinator with no balls. Lack of talent doesnt excuse wr's running free with literally no one around for 10 yards. Thats scheme, or lack of players being able to grasp it which falls on Dom. You could change him out with just about anyone and get the same results this D has gotten the last ten years. Remember th first overtime loss to the Cards or maybe when Kaepernick set the all time rushing record on us in the playoffs. Or the season one year removed from the super bowl when our d gave up the mosy passing yards in the history of the game WITH Shields, a really good Tramon, Davon House, and Woodson. Its not just this year. It took Capers having to have a hall of fame Woodson in his prime, a hall of famer nick Collins in his prime, Matthews in his prime, Tramon playing like an allpro, shields making huge plays every game, a pro bowl season from Bishop, Hawks best season, and an amazing year from Raji and Jenkins WITH Rodgers playing MVP football just to have a top 10 D.

Capers is nothing more than luke warm water. Hes a nothing nobody in terms of d coordinators.

Thats the differenece between the packers brass and the elite of the world (schnieder, elway, bellichick). Those guys want to WIN THE SB EVERY YEAR not just make it to the playoffs and hope Arod plays at god mode.

Lets say this team had Kirk Cousins and not 12, i bet McCarthy capers wouldnt break 6-10. As we saw when Rodgers doesnt bring his a game and hesitates or misses some recievers, the packers are a below 500 team. Thats the reality of it. The packers stepped up this year for only 3 reasons--#12, the WRs and the OLine. Mike and Dom have very little to do with it.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

January 27, 2017 at 10:35 am

With Cousins at QB, this team wins 2 games. Max. I'm not kidding.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

January 27, 2017 at 10:42 am

With Cousins at QB, this team wins 2 games. Max. I'm not kidding.

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JHitTheB's picture

January 27, 2017 at 12:42 pm

I want to see you guard Julio Jones. Lock him down for 1 single play. Bet you can't. Is it Dom Capers' fault you're not talented or fast enough to cover Julio Jones and he burns you for big gains? Of course not. The best DB's in the league have trouble covering Julio. Rookies trying to make arm tackles are not going to get it done.

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TommyG's picture

January 28, 2017 at 06:03 am

cpitt, I was going to bring up AR and company, but you've beaten me to it. If not for AR falling into our laps years ago this team wouldn't even register an ESPN hyperlink. We would all sit around and cry about #4 and the glory days while our team went 6-10 every year. We would be the Jax Jags. MM and TT probably would've been fired years ago, and dom would never have come to our team.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

January 27, 2017 at 10:33 am

Capers isn't the problem, but he's also not the cure. The problem is poor drafting and injuries, but there is no evidence Capers gets the most from his group.

He needs to go. Now.

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jfajas's picture

January 27, 2017 at 10:36 am

I think we need a complete reshuffle in the personnel of our D: it is not a formula for success in any sport (let alone the nfl with the cap) to pay very high salaries to players that simply put are not difference makers (CM, peppers and shields).
I think these 3 have to go. The decline is much to evident to ignore.
We need at least a DT, DE, OLB and a good corner.
As for Capers... well, I really think the overall talent is very below average. But I still wouldn't mind seeing Rex Ryan coaching that D ;)

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Dzehren's picture

January 27, 2017 at 10:39 am

Make Capers a senior advisor and hire an assistant from Seattle or Atlanta . Get Dan Quinn protege or Kris Richard disciple

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Dzehren's picture

January 27, 2017 at 10:42 am

Maybe go back to the 4-3 as too many NFL teams deploy a 3-4 deluding the talent pool @ end & OLB

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rdent's picture

January 27, 2017 at 04:57 pm

The problem here with a 4-3 is that now days in college we don't see a lot of pure defensive ends ala Reggie White, a lot of "hybreds "that's what colleges put out now days, it almost forces teams to run a 3-4 in the NFL,since Capers took over, starting with Aaron Campman,their best DE since Reggie was converted into a OLB, then Mike Neal and Datone Jones,you need your best pass rushers coming from the OLB position.

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stockholder's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:39 am

After MMs comments yesterday, plan on No changes! The packers were willing to go without Farve and went with Rodgers development. They didn't care about a players' window or winning a super-bowl. They only cared about going a new direction. After this coming
year the club will go in a new direction. TT will not win another super-bowl under his reign. And the brass knows it. Murphy does not want the bad press. They only care about winning the division or making the play-offs. I think the changes happen with everyone leaving next year. So I'm expecting players that are status Quo. TT has been a smart Gm. Expect market friendly contracts. With new coaches, comes a different scheme. Don't expect any big draft trade up. They are not going to rebuild any part of that defense if Capers stays. Expect smoke and mirrors for another year.

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daveh's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:01 am

The CBS just didn't go bad in Atlanta, it was occurring game in and game out, and no one good recognize the problem? Some one needs to be held accountable, TT, MM, NO adjustments were made. One thing more MM never seems to make half time adjustments, just stays with his colorful game card regardless if things are working or not...Another year of wait and see.

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daveh's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:01 am

The CBS just didn't go bad in Atlanta, it was occurring game in and game out, and no one good recognize the problem? Some one needs to be held accountable, TT, MM, NO adjustments were made. One thing more MM never seems to make half time adjustments, just stays with his colorful game card regardless if things are working or not...Another year of wait and see.

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mrtundra's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:24 am

TT expects a lot from his rookies and young guys. Hopefully he, or whomever is our GM, is open to looking at FA this year as there are a few DBs available there who would provide relief at the CB positions. I think we will draft a pass rusher with our 1st round pick if we get a veteran CB in FA.

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NickPerry's picture

January 28, 2017 at 06:36 am

I had read somewhere Wolf was pretty upset with Thompson last offseason because Thompson's lack of involvement in FA. Now I LIKE that. I like the fact that Wolf is confident enough to let TT know he's not doing enough, sign some FA's, and get that stupid look off your face so it looks like you give a damn!

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yooperman's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:43 am

Let's face it packer fans, if the GB front office was serious about winning championships instead of being content just to make the playoffs, everyone from TT on down would have been fired after that debacle in Seattle. If it wasn't for Farve and Rodgers carrying them they would have been fired years ago. TT poor drafting, his refusel to sign free agents, and letting our players leave in free agency. Mm is no better, how long did it take him to fire Slocum after years of horrible special team play. DC hasn't been a good defense coordinator, the poor tackling has gone on for years, no plan to cover the middle of the field and letting receivers run open for years now. You can blame some of it on injuries, but even with Shields playing, he was good for getting burned once or twice a game, and one pass interference every game. Green Bay needs to go back to a 4/3 defence where it's easier to draft players that fit in the system. They wasted the last part of Farve's career, and are now doing the same to Rodgers. Please Mark Murphy it's time for change before it's to late for Rodgers.

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Finwiz's picture

January 27, 2017 at 12:17 pm

That debacle in Seattle was the most devastating defeat, and the biggest joke of a collapse I've ever seen. Worse than 4th and 26 by far. I'll never forget that game for the ultimate choke job, and ultimate stupidity displayed by multiple players. And poor Rodgers sits in the middle of this, and wonders what else he has to do to carry the team. What a waste of talent. You know if they don't do something with this QB, we will never have another HOF QB the rest of our lives. Just the law of averages.

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Since'61's picture

January 27, 2017 at 08:42 pm

Yooperman - there is no accountability. That's my concern and frustration. If Capers had any accountability he would retire or resign. But MM says he's an outstanding coach, so no one holds him accountable either. But we'll make plenty of money when we finish PackerWorld or Titletown or whatever it's called and the stadium is filled every season so everyone gets to keep their jobs. Meanwhile we let the SB slip away again and again and again and on and on. Soon, football will be a sideshow in Green Bay while management gazes in amazement at Packerville, but the money keeps rolling in. Thanks, Since '61

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pacman's picture

January 27, 2017 at 12:01 pm

Sell the draft choices for a difference maker now. We (read AR) don't have time to develop any more mediocre players.

DC record over 10 years is evidence enough.

Change is needed.

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Lphill's picture

January 27, 2017 at 01:19 pm

I just don't Inderstand how the middle of the field is always open on the packers , it's amazing how many 3 rd and longs are completed against them. Capers has to have some responsibility in that.

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Since'61's picture

January 27, 2017 at 08:44 pm

Haven't you heard? "He's an outstanding coach". 44 points, 30 first downs, 500+ yards allowed, no problem. Sign him up for another 6 seasons of defensive debacles in the playoffs. Build Titletown, it will be OK. Thanks, Since '61

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JHitTheB's picture

January 28, 2017 at 08:52 pm

Haven't you heard? The week before in the Divisional round Atlanta racked up 36 points with almost 500 yards total offense, 50% third down conversion rate against Seattle's TOP 5 DEFENSE.

Matt Ryan had 338 yards, 3TDs no INTS. ATL also racked up about 100yds on the ground. Against a top 5 defense. Granted Earl Thomas didn't play which was huge but the fact remains ATL has been steamrolling teams all year. So if not Capers then who? Cause no one has been able to stop ATL this year. It's going to be interesting to see what happens when the ATL machine runs into the Patriots number 1 defense.

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Couch Cleats's picture

January 27, 2017 at 01:27 pm

The Packers need to have more talent on defense than they do on offense for the remainder of Rodgers career. If they build a top 5 defense and Rodgers gets more opportunities per game than the opposing QB does, the Packers will win almost every time.

We have nice talent on offense around ARod right now but it's not outstanding by any means. His O Line might be exceptional but the skill players are good - not great. He can achieve great things on offense with good - not great talent. Thats all he needs.

Give him a better Defense than the one he's facing and make room for another Lombardi trophy.

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4zone's picture

January 27, 2017 at 01:32 pm

There is no one out there better than Capers that's available. Rex Ryan is ACID don't want him anywhere near our locker room.

Let's quit this nonsense and get down to the real issue, and that's talent.

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4zone's picture

January 27, 2017 at 01:32 pm

There is no one out there better than Capers that's available. Rex Ryan is ACID don't want him anywhere near our locker room.

Let's quit this nonsense and get down to the real issue, and that's talent.

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Dzehren's picture

January 27, 2017 at 01:49 pm

I disagree. hire an assistant from Seattle or Atlanta . Get Dan Quinn or Kris Richard protege

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zeke's picture

January 28, 2017 at 03:54 am

I don't get the love for either of those teams. If Seattle's success on D was predicated on the coaches, I doubt they would have been so easily had after Earl Thomas went down. And Atlanta's defense has been decidedly mediocre.

I wouldn't be upset if Capers were gone, but something tells me he would be a much better coach if he were lining up with Chancellor, Sherman (ick, spit), Bennett, Wagner, Thomas, etc.

And while I respect a lot of the posters here, the idea that Thompson, Murphy, and McCarthy don't try as hard because they are satisfied with winning the division since the team is making money is, in my opinion, just silly. I have no problem with the argument that Thompson's draft and develop philosophy is flawed, but that's as far as I think logic can take you. And I'm not sure what McCarthy publicly calling out Capers would do, other than make the angry fans feel better.

As for the defence, my two cents is that the Brewers should trade Ryan Braun to the Indians, and then use what they get to trade up with the Browns for their 10th pick. Or is that not how this works?

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Tundraboy's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:55 pm

If Capers stays 3 things have to happen on top of the obvious health of everyone. Additional veterans by trade or FA, at least some of last years rookies and 2nd years players stepping up, and the entire D playing with a huge chip on their shoulders and play with some damn pride.

Absolutely can not afford another year wasted by by a subpar D. Arod and us fans deserve better.

Wake up Ted. Better yet hand it over to Wolf, I'm sure he would can DC.

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daveh's picture

January 27, 2017 at 01:49 pm

I thought the reason for hiring Wolf, was to promote him and turn this team over time him when TT left. It's obvious ego Ted, won't resign, and thus Wolf will continue interview for GM jobs. .and soon will be gone. What's the next plan for the Packers. Maybe we should look at Murphys future? It obvious he' s one of the three Amigo, MM, TT, MM.

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pacman's picture

January 27, 2017 at 01:54 pm

This is the problem of no accountability.

How does a team decide to change if not by looking at a persons record? If you say he isn't given the talent, then why not? If it is due to injuries (muscle related), I just noticed that the strength and conditioning coordinator has been there for 18 years.

DC is 66 years old. He has had a good career. You don't have to feel bad about his retiring.

Packers need major upgrade on defense. We've gone mostly downhill since 2011. What's the definition of insanity - doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. Oversimplified, but 'we' have been saying this for the last 3 years.

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Donster's picture

January 27, 2017 at 01:58 pm

Plenty of blame to go around. TT for not supplying the players Capers needs. Capers having to complex a defense for young inexperienced players to absorb quickly. His slow ability to adjust on the fly against what an offense is doing. Not being aggressive on defense, as in the D-backs attacking the receiver instead of waiting for the receiver to catch the ball and come to him. And MM and the defensive assistants for not teaching proper tackling technique.

Capers time is up, along with TT. Get rid of them both. But it won't happen. Just getting to the playoffs has become good enough in Green Bay.

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Since'61's picture

January 27, 2017 at 04:41 pm

Donster - agree TT's time is up, but Capers time was up back in 2013 or 14 at the latest. Time for Elliot Wolf and a new DC. A picture of Nitschke would do as well as Capers at this point. Thanks, Since '61

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Tundraboy's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:56 pm

Lol

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Donster's picture

January 28, 2017 at 06:48 am

Completely agree with you Since '61. Capers should have been relieved of his duties a few years ago.

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pacman's picture

January 27, 2017 at 02:02 pm

Just saw this:

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/27/report-packers-to-be-more-active-in-free-agency/?
ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs&yptr=yahoo&ref=yfp

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Samson's picture

January 27, 2017 at 04:16 pm

The lack of talent on the "D" is on TT. -- His job is to use any means within the rules to provide the very best players for the Pack. -- He's fails miserably at his job. --- If you look closely at AR you'll see TT riding his back. -- It's always been this way and probably won't change until TT goes home for good. -- Time for Eliot.

Capers does not have the talent to have a top ten "D". ------- I'm not sure he would know what to do if he did have the talent. --- He's old school and needs to retire, now.

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Since'61's picture

January 27, 2017 at 04:38 pm

I've been thinking about this and I've tried to put myself in Capers shoes and what I would do if I were in his position after Sunday's debacle against Atlanta. I realized that I would resign after such a horrendous performance. If Capers has any integrity and self-respect he would retire or resign. What credibility can he possibility have left with his players? Why doesn't he take accountability for his utter failure? Why isn't he held accountable? Why are the Packers still paying Capers? Something is wrong with an organization that allows this to continue for 6 consecutive years. No sense of urgency to win is clearly systemic in the Packers management. There is no justification for keeping Capers if we want to advance to the SB while we have Aaron Rodgers. Thanks, Since '61

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JHitTheB's picture

January 27, 2017 at 05:50 pm

We are playing chess. I'm Atlanta. I have my king, 2 queens and 3 rooks and 2 bishops. You're GB - you have 3 knights 3 bishops and the rest pawns. Let's see you win the game. Point is be it chess or football you are not going go win the game without the proper pieces in place to be competitive - it does not matter if you are Bobby Fisher or Vince Lombardi. No pieces in place = no wins. Period.

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Since'61's picture

January 27, 2017 at 09:30 pm

Actually if the quality level of my opponent is equal to Dom Capers I probably would win that chess match. If it is the chess game in your example and my opponent is competent I likely lose but I still fight like hell and do some damage with what I have rather than allow the chess equivalent of 44 points, 30 first downs and 500+ yards of offense. Also in chess the pieces have point values and in your example I am starting very far behind by point value and probably by position as well. The Packers on the other hand started their game even in position and point value at 0-0. Not quite the same as your chess scenario. And by the way the Packers had CM3, Mike Daniels, Julius Peppers, Burnett, HHCD, J. Ryan, Nick Perry, Guion, Martinez, Datone Jones Randall, Rollins and Joe Thomas available for the game. The only starter truly missing was Shields. Yes, some guys played hurt but the game in Atlanta was not as one sided as your example chess match. By this point in the season plenty of guys are playing hurt on all teams. My point is that Capers or MM or Packer management or me in the chess game needs to be accountable and go out and make sure the next time that I have the same pieces as my opponent. But what I'm seeing from the Packers is no accountability and nothing that suggests they are going to do anything different for next season. That's my concern and frustration. Funny thing about Lombardi and talent is that he basically took a team that was 1-10-1 the season before he got there and with many of the same players or pieces and some solid trades and draft picks he won 5 world championships in 7 seasons, 3 in a row and the first 2 Super Bowls. Yet Capers has had all kinds of players and talent come through Green bay over the last 6 seasons and we have made it all the way to the point where we allow 44 points, 30 first downs and 500+ yards. Obviously he's doing a brilliant job. But at least we have "Dom Capers is an outstanding football coach" to fall back on when we collapse. FYI, quite a while ago now I was a ranked player in the U.S. Chess Federation. Business and personal commitments kept me from keeping up with it though and while I still play and usually lose to my computer I have not been ranked since 1984. Take Capers to your next chess match and let me know how it works out. Thanks, Since '61

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porupack's picture

January 28, 2017 at 03:10 am

WIshed we'd just get rid either TT or DC and settle this 6 year debate....
For me, its TT. Exactly why is he such a great GM? That he keeps under the cap? Who doesn't? Even notorious big spenders, such as Dallas doing a fine job. TT is way over rated on that aspect. Sure he does well, just saying....so are about 26 other GMs.
And the talent....well, we'll probably never settle that. Lack of talent, or poor teaching/preparation and utilization.
Only way to know is through hindsight after one or the other departs....and a new regime. Then we could make some kind of conclusion....Maybe.

I'm in the TT-to-go camp.
1) Poor top-round talent evaluations for 7 years, especially on D.
2) Left too many pending FA in a 'bulge' last year and this year, and some could easily have been locked up earlier.
3) missed FA acquisitions at value, which a strategist has to know that, known quantities are better than unknown quantities; so find the value picks, then build your draft speculations around the 'known' pieces.

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Finwiz's picture

January 28, 2017 at 09:29 am

You youngsters on this board under 35-40 should listen to this guy, (and me of course) We've seen our share of good, bad, great and awful Packer football teams over the years, and can identify competence when we see it. There's no accountability in Green Bay, and also clearly a certain amount of dysfunction in the management structure that certainly would not have existed with a strong president like Bob Harlan. I'm telling you something is NOT right when you can have a performance like that against ATL and get up in a press conference and loudly proclaim you have an OUTSTANDING defensive coordinator - clearly laying all the blame at your bosses feet, the GM. They lost one starter in that secondary for the entire season - Shields, so if they weren't playing well, it wasn't because of the GM's definition of talent. I will say this - they need to either start drafting players with a tougher disposition, or predilection for injury, or start over AGAIN from scratch with the training staff. The amount of injuries on this team year after year is astounding. No hope for 2017 season on this end, with the status quo. I expect another resounding defeat somewhere prior to the Super Bowl - and more injuries of course.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 28, 2017 at 10:38 am

"I'm telling you something is NOT right when you can have a performance like that against ATL and get up in a press conference and loudly proclaim you have an OUTSTANDING defensive coordinator"

Delusional for sure. Problem is it makes all of us look like idiots. Embarassing to the Organization, Fans, and and an insult to anyone with eyes in their head. After 2014 this crap?

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badaxed's picture

January 29, 2017 at 05:22 pm

Do not forget all the announcers saying the packers were SOFT! Do not forget slow also. Poor players, poor coaching and no accountability.

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dobber's picture

January 27, 2017 at 09:28 pm

I'm still trying to figure out how you got 3 rooks, 3 knights and 3 bishops. Must be Bill Belichick playing chess...

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Since'61's picture

January 27, 2017 at 09:31 pm

Tundra - I don't know but it would be fun to try it. If I'm playing against Capers I probably win anyway. Thanks, Since '61

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JHitTheB's picture

January 28, 2017 at 04:54 pm

Pawns that advance to their opponents side can become any piece you choose. It's entirely possible to have 9 queens on the board. However the point of the analogy was to demonstrate how GB was over matched and really had no viable chance to defend Atlanta's potent offense. Maybe you should just stick to checkers.

As for Bellicheck...he's easily one of the greatest football minds and coaches of all time. The Patriots win so much because they are that good. "They cheated" is simply a butt hurt statement from people who can't beat them.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 27, 2017 at 11:59 pm

Lombardi turned it around in a year, and Im sure a lot of people thought the talent he inherited was lacking.

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marpag1's picture

January 28, 2017 at 02:14 pm

"I've been thinking about this and I've tried to put myself in Capers shoes and what I would do if I were in his position after Sunday's debacle against Atlanta. I realized that I would resign after such a horrendous performance."

I guess that sounds kinda noble and all, but I'd be more interested to hear what you might have done differently DURING the game rather than after it. Any suggestions there?

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jjhoffmann's picture

January 27, 2017 at 05:03 pm

Do the Packers and Aaron Rodgers win more championships with a different head coach? This year, like so many before it, the Packers have higher than average injuries, seem unable to make meaningful adjustments throughout the course of the games much less the entire season, can't defend on 3rd and long, and can't convert on third and short.

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Bert's picture

January 27, 2017 at 05:56 pm

Not sure if Capers is such a good fit for a draft-and-develop philosophy. Seems like our draftees on defense either develop more slowly or not at all compared to the offense. Given Rodgers age, it may be time to scrap D&D and take a more "win now" approach or at least a blend of the two? I could really care less about 2019 right now. One of these days Rodgers will start to slide and it will be a moot point whether we still need more pass rushers, CBs and how much cap space we have.

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porupack's picture

January 28, 2017 at 02:57 am

Get rid of one or the other; Ted or Dom. Finally, please settle this debate about which one is responsible for the 6 years of underperformance.

I think TT should go. He is a "managers" GM, on financial part of the job, but I think poor on the talent evaluation side of the job. He has failed on top talent on defense. If he has had success, it was just acquiring the 'odds' by getting more than the average number of picks.

Compare to teams notoriously on the edge of 'cap hell'; Dallas, in particular, I'd say they managed as well as TT to keep dealing FA and stay under cap. Sooo exactly why is TT so admired for managing cap space? I think he is mediocre/average. He's been good, but not really good. He sure isn't one for creative bargaining.

And look at all of the looming free agents now? What 16? I think he failed to lock in some contracts when they could have been better deals, like Jared cook and Perry. I think he is managing his own Draft/Develop crop poorly, and we're seeing him trying to get out of this bulge of expiring contracts since 2015 and 2016.

He just fails to deliver on the most strategic part of the draft (top rounds), even though he finds gems at the bottom round. That is not to dismiss his ability, but just to say that he hasn't delivered on picking the top end talent. Datone Jones is a good pick....for round 3. Perry, Demarious Randall.....rounds 2 maybe. But look at some of the talent he passed, and could have had at his slot.

TT needs to go for the packers to improve.

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TommyG's picture

January 28, 2017 at 06:12 am

With 16 FAs and whatever it is that is going on inside the head office, perhaps the management is going to use this year to turn things over to a "new" GM.

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bsbill's picture

January 28, 2017 at 07:09 am

Every year for at least the last five, the season ends with a conversation about what is wrong with the Packer defense. Is it McCarthy, Thompson, Capers or player talent? I believe it's all three!

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Finwiz's picture

January 28, 2017 at 09:32 am

Every year, you're right, it's the SAME conversation, why can't we stop anybody in critical situations, and what's wrong with the defense. Just sick of it! Make a change - it just might get better, and if it doesn't you won't have far to fall from 31st IN TOTAL PASSING DEFENSE! OMG - wake up GB management.

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navydisposaleer's picture

January 28, 2017 at 09:58 am

That's 4.

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navydisposaleer's picture

January 28, 2017 at 09:57 am

Capers should stay. It's all about talent and guess who gets that? Ted Thompson. He is the one to examine!

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Bert's picture

January 28, 2017 at 10:25 am

I think draft-and-develop is a good philosophy as long as your GM is an Excellent talent evaluator and drafts at a very high level AND the coaching staff is aligned with the philosophy. Ted is a good talent evaluator and a pretty good drafter. Ted just wasn't consistently excellent or even very good at both and therefore the defense has fallen behind the offense. That, combined with Capers not a good fit for the D&D has dug the defense hole even deeper. I'm afraid as long as Ted and Dom continue on their current paths then we be in a revolving door.

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GLM's picture

January 28, 2017 at 04:55 pm

Don't forget the team was put in a hole by Raji in the offseason, and losing Shields early. Is Raji done with football, or is he coming back? I'm not holding my breath with Sam, and I think he should retire.

Kenny Clark developed well during the year, and should get better. We have a good run defense....usually...probably not enough depth right now to dominate, but that can be fixed with some more talent on the inside. Maybe moving Clay to the middle is the right move.

I'm fine with Capers as DC. When guys are dropping like flies, I don't see how any coach can run a defense, let alone get them to the championship. I'm proud of this team! They beat the number one team in the NFC, at home, and it just happened to be the Cowboys. Remember the 90's? Even with Brett and Reggie, we just could not win there. Forget the Championship game. A win would have been awesome, but it wasn't meant to be. The Falcons paid us back for trouncing them at home back in '10/11, on our way to a Super Bowl win. At mid-season did any of you honestly think we would be in the championship? Enjoy what we got. We won the division, beat the Giants, theb went to Dallas and won in stunning fashion.

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Patrick Helms's picture

January 28, 2017 at 11:51 pm

I agree with most of what has been said. DC did what he could with the players he had. It's TT's responsibility to provide better talent and unfortunately, he won't adjust. At least we beat Dallas. On another note, Wolf has interviewed with the Colts for their GM spot. :(

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badaxed's picture

January 29, 2017 at 05:25 pm

"Longevity, consistency and familiarity are things that can be associated with Capers."

Yeah he has been there to long!
He is consistently a poor coach!
We are all to familiar with his results!

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4thand10's picture

February 12, 2017 at 11:40 pm

Every year we talk about drafting OLBs and ILBs. I question the scheme. Everyone talks about 2010, we'll 2010 Big Ben put up 450 yards passing and that was with all Stars at CB and Safety ....when are people going to start questioning Capers and the system he runs. I'm usually all for players not plays....but Capers 2 down lineman doesn't help anything , I don't care if you have Jesus at OLB. ...it doesn't work. Patriots have been drafting at the bottom and they don't seem to have issues....im not a Pat's fan...but they have a better scheme. I'm still with the Capers has to go crowd.

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4thand10's picture

February 12, 2017 at 11:41 pm

Keep wolf cause he is up and coming , Ted can be replaced.

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