I've been saying all along that the Packers need to either get a scheme that younger players can be successful in or sign some veterans who can execute Capers scheme.

Basically:
Capers is not wrong for the Packers.
Thompson is not wrong for the Packers.
Capers and Thompson together is wrong for the Packers.

Look, let's face it. MM knows more about football than all of us. If he says it was players and injuries and not Capers, I have to believe him. We are deficient at the CB position and with our pass rush. A better pass rush would cure a lot.

Draft a young OLB to replace 37 year old Peppers, re-sign Perry and draft a fast physical CB.

I'm not sure that anybody could've done a better job with the talent and the many injuries on this D this year. Read the other day that Matthews, Peppers, and Shields count for 22% of the team's salary cap, and there was barely any production from those 3 this season.

The problem is, the Packers have no real elite players on D anymore. Matthews is constantly injured, even though he plays through it, Peppers is over the hill, and I think we can all agree Shields will not be back either. Capers' scheme worked when he had Woodson, Collins, and a young Matthews with Raji and Pickett on DL. Without those elite players, one cannot play better.

And then of course there is the case of stunted development of Randall and Rollins, be it due to injury or maybe not. Regardless, having to play Gunter, Dorleant, Goodson, Hawkins, that's all fine as 4th or 5th CBs, but not as legit NFL starters at this point...

No pass rush either. Perry the only one who could muster something, and he also played the run real well, but where was the rest, on a consistent basis, not just some play here or there? And Capers tried a lot - Blitz, no blitz, zone, man,... didn't have the horses this year. So i wouldn't judge him based on this year, but it is correct, his scheme needs takeaways and big plays to consistently win.

My last point is, I think some forget that for some time this O wasn't good either. And the D saved them for a few games. So this season wasn't all that bad for this D...

IMO Capers should not even have been allowed to get on the plane back to Green Bay after his defense failed to take the field in Atlanta on Sunday. Or I could say they have reached the point where they executed the no tackle/don't get off the field until the opponent scores defense to perfection. I know, we had injuries, blah, blah and how can we expect to stop the Falcons because Rip fumbled and we missed an early FG, get the violins and cry me a river. How about going out on the field and making a stop instead of excuses. 44 points and 500+ yards of offense in inexcusable and unacceptable. In 3 playoff games this year Capers defense allowed 88 points or an average of 27 points per game. In 10 playoff games during his career Lombardi's defense allowed 104 points or an average of 10.4 points per game. Yes, I know it's a different era, free agency, salary caps, new rules blah, blah, excuses, excuses. I don't care which era you want to point to 44 points and 500 yards allowed is not just embarrassing defense, it is no defense. Period. Case closed. I hope I don't need to remind everyone that the outstanding Capers defense gave up 37 points to NYG in 2011 playoffs. Or 38 points to SF in 2012 or allowed the 49ers to run the last 5+ minutes off the clock in 2013 and let's not forget the 15 point collapse in less than 4 minutes in Seattle plus an immediate TD in OT in 2014. Then another collapse in AZ in OT in 2015 all leading to the brilliant defensive display in Atlanta this year of the don't get off the field until they score defense. 6 years, same story, same coach, same results, (actually getting worse), it is time to chuck this guy, get some physical and mental toughness on this defense with an approach that actually works. Period. Case closed. Thanks, Since '61

This is the first year that I said I think its time for a change at DC.
I like Capers and he is a tremendous coach. But sometimes you need to make a change. Getting another voice in there with a different outlook can have a very positive affect.
The Steelers defense has improved since letting LeBeau leave. The last 2 years under LeBeau his defense ranked 14th and 18th in scoring. The last 2 years under new direction they have ranked 10th and 11th.

With what happened to the defense this year we can't blame on Capers. Playing the whole season without your top CB, and injuries to your 2nd and 3rd CB's. The top pass rusher was out half the season also. Not many teams can overcome that.

That being said we have seen a pattern under Capers.
He has a tendency of going conservative, playing soft, bend but don't break style of defense. We haven't been able to cover the middle of the field in a long time. And that is with 2 really good Safety's. 1 of which is a pro bowler.

Capers may be a problem, but he's not THE problem. Pick any DC and give him the personnel Ted gave Capers, and it would have been 44 points and 500 yards.

Seems to me everyone kind of has the same idea. Capers did as well as can be expected with the talent he had. So we are talking about the wrong guy here. We should be talking about Ted Thompson. He is the one that should be gone if he can't supply the defense with some talent!

TT hasn't built the depth that he should have over the years on the defensive side of the ball. It's hard to keep the D strong when the draft picks don't perform like they should and the GM is very cautious with FA. I want to see that defense healthy and then see how good they can be.
On the other side of the ball, all year I thought that Green Bay's offensive coordinator was a change that was needed. The last run of wins covered up the issues that the team had on that side of the ball.

Lets be real people, Capers is a middle of the road d-coordinator with no balls. Lack of talent doesnt excuse wr's running free with literally no one around for 10 yards. Thats scheme, or lack of players being able to grasp it which falls on Dom. You could change him out with just about anyone and get the same results this D has gotten the last ten years. Remember th first overtime loss to the Cards or maybe when Kaepernick set the all time rushing record on us in the playoffs. Or the season one year removed from the super bowl when our d gave up the mosy passing yards in the history of the game WITH Shields, a really good Tramon, Davon House, and Woodson. Its not just this year. It took Capers having to have a hall of fame Woodson in his prime, a hall of famer nick Collins in his prime, Matthews in his prime, Tramon playing like an allpro, shields making huge plays every game, a pro bowl season from Bishop, Hawks best season, and an amazing year from Raji and Jenkins WITH Rodgers playing MVP football just to have a top 10 D.

Capers is nothing more than luke warm water. Hes a nothing nobody in terms of d coordinators.

Thats the differenece between the packers brass and the elite of the world (schnieder, elway, bellichick). Those guys want to WIN THE SB EVERY YEAR not just make it to the playoffs and hope Arod plays at god mode.

Lets say this team had Kirk Cousins and not 12, i bet McCarthy capers wouldnt break 6-10. As we saw when Rodgers doesnt bring his a game and hesitates or misses some recievers, the packers are a below 500 team. Thats the reality of it. The packers stepped up this year for only 3 reasons--#12, the WRs and the OLine. Mike and Dom have very little to do with it.

Capers isn't the problem, but he's also not the cure. The problem is poor drafting and injuries, but there is no evidence Capers gets the most from his group.

He needs to go. Now.

I think we need a complete reshuffle in the personnel of our D: it is not a formula for success in any sport (let alone the nfl with the cap) to pay very high salaries to players that simply put are not difference makers (CM, peppers and shields).
I think these 3 have to go. The decline is much to evident to ignore.
We need at least a DT, DE, OLB and a good corner.
As for Capers... well, I really think the overall talent is very below average. But I still wouldn't mind seeing Rex Ryan coaching that D ;)

Make Capers a senior advisor and hire an assistant from Seattle or Atlanta . Get Dan Quinn protege or Kris Richard disciple

Maybe go back to the 4-3 as too many NFL teams deploy a 3-4 deluding the talent pool @ end & OLB

After MMs comments yesterday, plan on No changes! The packers were willing to go without Farve and went with Rodgers development. They didn't care about a players' window or winning a super-bowl. They only cared about going a new direction. After this coming
year the club will go in a new direction. TT will not win another super-bowl under his reign. And the brass knows it. Murphy does not want the bad press. They only care about winning the division or making the play-offs. I think the changes happen with everyone leaving next year. So I'm expecting players that are status Quo. TT has been a smart Gm. Expect market friendly contracts. With new coaches, comes a different scheme. Don't expect any big draft trade up. They are not going to rebuild any part of that defense if Capers stays. Expect smoke and mirrors for another year.

The CBS just didn't go bad in Atlanta, it was occurring game in and game out, and no one good recognize the problem? Some one needs to be held accountable, TT, MM, NO adjustments were made. One thing more MM never seems to make half time adjustments, just stays with his colorful game card regardless if things are working or not...Another year of wait and see.

The CBS just didn't go bad in Atlanta, it was occurring game in and game out, and no one good recognize the problem? Some one needs to be held accountable, TT, MM, NO adjustments were made. One thing more MM never seems to make half time adjustments, just stays with his colorful game card regardless if things are working or not...Another year of wait and see.

TT expects a lot from his rookies and young guys. Hopefully he, or whomever is our GM, is open to looking at FA this year as there are a few DBs available there who would provide relief at the CB positions. I think we will draft a pass rusher with our 1st round pick if we get a veteran CB in FA.

Let's face it packer fans, if the GB front office was serious about winning championships instead of being content just to make the playoffs, everyone from TT on down would have been fired after that debacle in Seattle. If it wasn't for Farve and Rodgers carrying them they would have been fired years ago. TT poor drafting, his refusel to sign free agents, and letting our players leave in free agency. Mm is no better, how long did it take him to fire Slocum after years of horrible special team play. DC hasn't been a good defense coordinator, the poor tackling has gone on for years, no plan to cover the middle of the field and letting receivers run open for years now. You can blame some of it on injuries, but even with Shields playing, he was good for getting burned once or twice a game, and one pass interference every game. Green Bay needs to go back to a 4/3 defence where it's easier to draft players that fit in the system. They wasted the last part of Farve's career, and are now doing the same to Rodgers. Please Mark Murphy it's time for change before it's to late for Rodgers.

Sell the draft choices for a difference maker now. We (read AR) don't have time to develop any more mediocre players.

DC record over 10 years is evidence enough.

Change is needed.

I just don't Inderstand how the middle of the field is always open on the packers , it's amazing how many 3 rd and longs are completed against them. Capers has to have some responsibility in that.

The Packers need to have more talent on defense than they do on offense for the remainder of Rodgers career. If they build a top 5 defense and Rodgers gets more opportunities per game than the opposing QB does, the Packers will win almost every time.

We have nice talent on offense around ARod right now but it's not outstanding by any means. His O Line might be exceptional but the skill players are good - not great. He can achieve great things on offense with good - not great talent. Thats all he needs.

Give him a better Defense than the one he's facing and make room for another Lombardi trophy.

There is no one out there better than Capers that's available. Rex Ryan is ACID don't want him anywhere near our locker room.

Let's quit this nonsense and get down to the real issue, and that's talent.

There is no one out there better than Capers that's available. Rex Ryan is ACID don't want him anywhere near our locker room.

Let's quit this nonsense and get down to the real issue, and that's talent.

If Capers stays 3 things have to happen on top of the obvious health of everyone. Additional veterans by trade or FA, at least some of last years rookies and 2nd years players stepping up, and the entire D playing with a huge chip on their shoulders and play with some damn pride.

Absolutely can not afford another year wasted by by a subpar D. Arod and us fans deserve better.

Wake up Ted. Better yet hand it over to Wolf, I'm sure he would can DC.

I thought the reason for hiring Wolf, was to promote him and turn this team over time him when TT left. It's obvious ego Ted, won't resign, and thus Wolf will continue interview for GM jobs. .and soon will be gone. What's the next plan for the Packers. Maybe we should look at Murphys future? It obvious he' s one of the three Amigo, MM, TT, MM.

This is the problem of no accountability.

How does a team decide to change if not by looking at a persons record? If you say he isn't given the talent, then why not? If it is due to injuries (muscle related), I just noticed that the strength and conditioning coordinator has been there for 18 years.

DC is 66 years old. He has had a good career. You don't have to feel bad about his retiring.

Packers need major upgrade on defense. We've gone mostly downhill since 2011. What's the definition of insanity - doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. Oversimplified, but 'we' have been saying this for the last 3 years.

Plenty of blame to go around. TT for not supplying the players Capers needs. Capers having to complex a defense for young inexperienced players to absorb quickly. His slow ability to adjust on the fly against what an offense is doing. Not being aggressive on defense, as in the D-backs attacking the receiver instead of waiting for the receiver to catch the ball and come to him. And MM and the defensive assistants for not teaching proper tackling technique.

Capers time is up, along with TT. Get rid of them both. But it won't happen. Just getting to the playoffs has become good enough in Green Bay.

Just saw this:

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The lack of talent on the "D" is on TT. -- His job is to use any means within the rules to provide the very best players for the Pack. -- He's fails miserably at his job. --- If you look closely at AR you'll see TT riding his back. -- It's always been this way and probably won't change until TT goes home for good. -- Time for Eliot.

Capers does not have the talent to have a top ten "D". ------- I'm not sure he would know what to do if he did have the talent. --- He's old school and needs to retire, now.

I've been thinking about this and I've tried to put myself in Capers shoes and what I would do if I were in his position after Sunday's debacle against Atlanta. I realized that I would resign after such a horrendous performance. If Capers has any integrity and self-respect he would retire or resign. What credibility can he possibility have left with his players? Why doesn't he take accountability for his utter failure? Why isn't he held accountable? Why are the Packers still paying Capers? Something is wrong with an organization that allows this to continue for 6 consecutive years. No sense of urgency to win is clearly systemic in the Packers management. There is no justification for keeping Capers if we want to advance to the SB while we have Aaron Rodgers. Thanks, Since '61

Do the Packers and Aaron Rodgers win more championships with a different head coach? This year, like so many before it, the Packers have higher than average injuries, seem unable to make meaningful adjustments throughout the course of the games much less the entire season, can't defend on 3rd and long, and can't convert on third and short.

Not sure if Capers is such a good fit for a draft-and-develop philosophy. Seems like our draftees on defense either develop more slowly or not at all compared to the offense. Given Rodgers age, it may be time to scrap D&D and take a more "win now" approach or at least a blend of the two? I could really care less about 2019 right now. One of these days Rodgers will start to slide and it will be a moot point whether we still need more pass rushers, CBs and how much cap space we have.

Get rid of one or the other; Ted or Dom. Finally, please settle this debate about which one is responsible for the 6 years of underperformance.

I think TT should go. He is a "managers" GM, on financial part of the job, but I think poor on the talent evaluation side of the job. He has failed on top talent on defense. If he has had success, it was just acquiring the 'odds' by getting more than the average number of picks.

Compare to teams notoriously on the edge of 'cap hell'; Dallas, in particular, I'd say they managed as well as TT to keep dealing FA and stay under cap. Sooo exactly why is TT so admired for managing cap space? I think he is mediocre/average. He's been good, but not really good. He sure isn't one for creative bargaining.

And look at all of the looming free agents now? What 16? I think he failed to lock in some contracts when they could have been better deals, like Jared cook and Perry. I think he is managing his own Draft/Develop crop poorly, and we're seeing him trying to get out of this bulge of expiring contracts since 2015 and 2016.

He just fails to deliver on the most strategic part of the draft (top rounds), even though he finds gems at the bottom round. That is not to dismiss his ability, but just to say that he hasn't delivered on picking the top end talent. Datone Jones is a good pick....for round 3. Perry, Demarious Randall.....rounds 2 maybe. But look at some of the talent he passed, and could have had at his slot.

TT needs to go for the packers to improve.

Every year for at least the last five, the season ends with a conversation about what is wrong with the Packer defense. Is it McCarthy, Thompson, Capers or player talent? I believe it's all three!

Capers should stay. It's all about talent and guess who gets that? Ted Thompson. He is the one to examine!

I think draft-and-develop is a good philosophy as long as your GM is an Excellent talent evaluator and drafts at a very high level AND the coaching staff is aligned with the philosophy. Ted is a good talent evaluator and a pretty good drafter. Ted just wasn't consistently excellent or even very good at both and therefore the defense has fallen behind the offense. That, combined with Capers not a good fit for the D&D has dug the defense hole even deeper. I'm afraid as long as Ted and Dom continue on their current paths then we be in a revolving door.

Don't forget the team was put in a hole by Raji in the offseason, and losing Shields early. Is Raji done with football, or is he coming back? I'm not holding my breath with Sam, and I think he should retire.

Kenny Clark developed well during the year, and should get better. We have a good run defense....usually...probably not enough depth right now to dominate, but that can be fixed with some more talent on the inside. Maybe moving Clay to the middle is the right move.

I'm fine with Capers as DC. When guys are dropping like flies, I don't see how any coach can run a defense, let alone get them to the championship. I'm proud of this team! They beat the number one team in the NFC, at home, and it just happened to be the Cowboys. Remember the 90's? Even with Brett and Reggie, we just could not win there. Forget the Championship game. A win would have been awesome, but it wasn't meant to be. The Falcons paid us back for trouncing them at home back in '10/11, on our way to a Super Bowl win. At mid-season did any of you honestly think we would be in the championship? Enjoy what we got. We won the division, beat the Giants, theb went to Dallas and won in stunning fashion.

I agree with most of what has been said. DC did what he could with the players he had. It's TT's responsibility to provide better talent and unfortunately, he won't adjust. At least we beat Dallas. On another note, Wolf has interviewed with the Colts for their GM spot. :(

"Longevity, consistency and familiarity are things that can be associated with Capers."

Yeah he has been there to long!
He is consistently a poor coach!
We are all to familiar with his results!

Every year we talk about drafting OLBs and ILBs. I question the scheme. Everyone talks about 2010, we'll 2010 Big Ben put up 450 yards passing and that was with all Stars at CB and Safety ....when are people going to start questioning Capers and the system he runs. I'm usually all for players not plays....but Capers 2 down lineman doesn't help anything , I don't care if you have Jesus at OLB. ...it doesn't work. Patriots have been drafting at the bottom and they don't seem to have issues....im not a Pat's fan...but they have a better scheme. I'm still with the Capers has to go crowd.

Keep wolf cause he is up and coming , Ted can be replaced.