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Packers Practice Roundup: Day 12. August 10, 2019

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Packers Practice Roundup: Day 12. August 10, 2019

Here is a sampling of the tweets by media observers of today's practice, along with some hot takes on the Packers' personnel. 

Injuries, Usage, Formations, Personnel:

  • In addition to RB Aaron Jones returning, CB Josh Jackson is making his camp debut and is off non-football injury. C Corey Linsley and OLB Preston Smith are back.  The new additions to those not practicing are ILB Oren Burks (shoulder), FB Malcolm Johnson (groin) and DL Keke Kingsley (thigh).  Silverstein  [Burks noted with a chest injury elsewhere.]
  • LB Oren Burks is believed to have a torn pectoral muscle, according to a source. More tests are scheduled to determine the course of action, but given that Burks was penciled in as a starter in the base defense, it leaves a hole in the D.  Demovsky
  • Kevin King also still sidelined with a hamstring injury.  Schneidman
  • Matt LaFleur says Kabion Ento went out late in practice with hamstring. FB Danny Vitale has a calf.  LaFleur pleased to get Aaron Jones back on the field. Just took individual today. Won’t rush return.  Wood
  • Bryan Bulaga getting day off for rest.  Dougherty
  • C Corey Linsley back at practice after missing last two with biceps injury.  Schneidman
  • Elgton Jenkins got the RG reps with starters to facilitate Billy Turner moving to RT. Ended team drill taking center reps with backups.  Wood
  • OLB Za’Darius banged up his lower leg in a collision with WR Geronimo Allison on a jet sweep.  Z. Smith getting his right ankle re-taped. Looks like he’ll be coming back.  [He returned.]  Silverstein
  • No. 1 nickel defense: Jaire, Clark, Lowry, Brown (replacing King), Smith and Smith, Martinez and Bolton (replacing Burks), Savage and Amos.  Wilde

Quarterbacks and WRs:

  • Allison just beat Tony Brown on basically the same play.  Wood
  • Geronimo Allison beats Tramon Williams on a deep out, Aaron Rodgers’ ball is perfect, but Allison drops it. You don’t see that often.  Wood [Actually, 2nd drop by Allison I’ve read about in TC.]  Wood
  • Darrius Shepherd. Again. He’s the only natural slot on the team and just makes plays. Deep from Kizer on latest.  Huber
  • Darrius Shepherd beats Natrell Jamerson from deep catch from Kizer (great throw) on one of last plays in practice. Aaron Rodgers runs all way downfield, some 30 yards, to meet Shepherd with a leaping hip check. Suffice to say, Shepherd making some headway. He’s had a good camp.  Wood
  • LaFleur on Darrius Shepherd: "You see him all over the place. Inside, outside. He's doing a nice job."  Kruse
  • QBs not seeing the middle of the field. Tim Boyle throws one right to ILB Brady Shelton for an INT.  Silverstein
  • Incredible throw from Aaron Rodgers, threading Darnell Savage Jr and (I think) Tony Brown to Jake Kumerow on slant. Savage got great break on ball. One of those where you watch Savage, thinking he picked it off, only to see Kumerow come up with it. No idea how 12 threaded it.  Wood
  • WR Jake Kumerow, who is having a tremendous camp, just beat Kabion Ento deep down middle of field. Tim Boyle hit him for a 65-yard TD.  Wood
  • Another missed opportunity for Moore, unable to hold onto a deep ball from Boyle while tumbling to turf.  Huber
  • Darrius Shepherd & Allen Lazard are getting more than a few reps with Aaron Rodgers today. St. Brown not participating in team drills.  Owczarski

Tight Ends:

  • Aaron Rodgers’ trust in Robert Tonyan starting to show. On third & 7, no one open initially. Rodgers bought time, found Tonyan open for 15 yards and first down. That connection could grow into something.  Wood

Running Backs:

  • Rookie RB Dexter Williams has two drops today on short passes.  Silverstein

Defensive Backs:

  • Kabion Ento isn’t getting beat deep by Jake Kumerow twice. This time, Ento stayed with Kumerow and, looking like the former WR he is, intercepted DeShone Kizer’s pass with a leaping, over-the-shoulder catch. Might be the most impressive INT anyone has had in camp so far.  Wood
  • CB Tony Brown is locking up the defense’s right side. He’s broke up passes to Adams and Graham and smothered MVS, all I One drill.  Silverstein
  • Tony Brown has had three breakups in this period covering sideline.  Hodkiewicz

Safety:

  • Campbell has been running for four months. He’s on PUP now but figured he’d sign here.  Huber
  • #35 S Ibraheim Campbell is present for his first Packers training camp practice.  Reiner

Linebackers:

  • 7th round pick Ty Summers played quite a bit of EDGE for TCU but it’s his off-ball LB play that suites him best... He isn’t that different from Blake Cashman, folks!! Glide Laterally, Take on Blocks, Blitz Agility, Thumping Tackler, Coverage Skills (check, check, check, check).  Ben Fennell
  • LB Brady Sheldon holds on to this interception, picking Tim Boyle. Third turnover for the defense in teams.  Owczarski
  • Bolton and Martinez at ILB. Regardless of what happened Thursday, Bolton has been ahead of Summers for most of summer.  Huber
  • Ty Summers keeps making plays. He undercuts a crossing route from WR Malik Taylor, getting a good jump on Tim Boyle’s pass. Summers then tipped it twice before intercepting it. A nice, juggling pick.  Wood
  • Summers tips ball to himself for INT vs Kizer.  Huber
  • Curtis Bolton would’ve just sacked Aaron Rodgers in team drills off a blitz. UDFA rookie LB from Oklahoma with the 1s alongside Blake Martinez today with Oren Burks nursing a chest injury.  Schneidman
  • Can't do it with Fackrell anymore... His play isn't good enough for a 27 year old, 3-year NFL veteran. Have heard nothing but great things about him as a person and off the field - but I'd cut him tomorrow for putting that on tape yesterday... Inexcusable mistakes from 51, IMO.  Ben Fennell  [He's referring to the Thursday Night game vs. Houston.]
  • Aaron Rodgers gets Rashan Gary to jump offside. Again. The rookie getting a first-class education.  Wood [At least Gary’s third time jumping offsides during this TC.]

Kicker/STs:

  • Mason Crosby and Sam Ficken each kicked 5 reps apiece: 24L, 31R, 35M, 41L, 44R. Crosby was perfect. Ficken missed last two wide left.  Wood
  • Mason Crosby goes 5 of 5 on FGs from 24, 31, 35, 41 and 44. Sam Ficken goes 3 of 5 from the same distances, missing wide left on his last two.  Silverstein

Offensive/Defensive Line:

  • C Corey Linsley back at practice after missing last two with biceps injury.  Schneidman
  • Elgton Jenkins looked solid at both RG/OC in preseason debut vs HOU... Valuable versatility as the 6th OL Alex Light has serious opportunity to make this team and bolster the depth. Light played LT/LG at Richmond and then came in at RG for the Week 17 game vs DET last year,  Nice T/T stunt pick up on 23yd gain to Tonyan and saw plenty of solid 1on1 pass pro vs 3techs. [This refers to the Houston preseason game.]  Ben Fennell
  • Billy Turner has had a really good day at RT. Pass blocked really well. They will have to consider starting him there if he continues to play like that. At the least, they have a better idea of what they have at backup RT.  It’s still possible having Bulaga and Turner in the game together gives them they’re best five.  Silverstein
  • So Light gets RT work and Turner returns to his RG spot.  Wilde

Overall/Miscellaneous:

  • If they can a return for Geronimo I’d love to see them move on. I think he and Kumerow are very high floor, low ceiling guys. They’re useful; but their upside is limited. Be nice if there was only one of them around. Take more “big swings”  Uglem
  • The Packers reached an injury settlement with CB Javien Hamilton and released him from injured reserve, while OLB Kendall Donnerson (who was waived injured) was not claimed so he reverted back to IR.  Demovsky
  • LaFleur says the Packers had 24 missed tackles that gave the Texans an extra 164 yards on Thursday.  Schneidman
  • LaFleur a harsh grader. He counted 24 misses tackles; I had 19.  Huber
  • Forbes says Green Bay Packers worth $2.63 billion, good enough for No. 27 worldwide.  Silverstein
  • PFF: Highest graded players (15+ snaps) in Houston game - Offense: Justin McCray (81.8), Lucas Patrick (79.1), Anthony Coyle (76.2), DeShone Kizer (76.2), Jake Kumerow (74.3).  Defense: Curtis Bolton (90.6) Raven Greene (88.5) Montravius Adams (76.2) James Looney (75.2) Kingsley Keke (74.8).  PFF
  • PFF highest grades from 2018 preseason: Josh Jackson (93.4) Reggie Gilbert (86.7) Kenny Clark (86.0) Raven Greene (83.3) Jaire Alexander (78.2) and on offense: Jake Kumerow (85.8) Brett Hundley (85.2) Robert Tonyan (74.7) M. Valdes-Scantling (74.2) Jason Spriggs (73.2).
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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I chose to use Tony Brown's photo at the top of this article. He had more good plays than any other player from what I read. Shepherd catching a bomb, Kumerow with a difficult catch and a deep reception were in the mix.

IIRC, it was Zach Kruse who retweeted the pff grades, which were interesting. For context, look at the 2018 grades. Eh, some predictive power, I suppose.

I can't find what ground Fennell's gears about Fackrell.

Ross' comments about Allison/Kumerow are interesting. Maybe so, but I've heard the "teams are going to want our guys at cutdowns" before. Sometimes they do. I don't think GB could get anything for Kumerow, and have to wonder what GB could get for Allison. Without meaning to be mean to either player, one attribute - AR's trust - isn't portable,

Frank Bublitz's picture

Geronimo Allison was the BEST receiver the Packers had ladt year until injured. If your observations are from "...practice? It's just practice..."as Mr. Iverson said, you must be kidding.

Allison does have some significantlimitations as does Kumerow. But they each can be brilliant in their roles and will be solid.

The same for Kumerow. He teminds me of Caroll Dale from the 60's. Underrayed, ignored, but an excellent route.runner and tough competitor.

PackfanNY's picture

Geronimo is under appreciated. Sure if you draft/trade for a stud you might move on from Allison. Where on this roster does anyone see some can’t miss kid that is stepping in?

Johnblood27's picture

see Shepherd, D...

Jonathan Spader's picture

"Geronimo Allison was the BEST receiver the Packers had ladt year until injured."

Might want to go back and watch tape on Davante Adams 2018. Also MVS 2018 early on and 2019 so far. Allison still holds value but TGR's point is that he and Kumero aren't going to improve and are redundant.

Old School's picture

There are going to be fewer passes this year, period, and since the intention is to throw to the backs and TEs more, it's the targets to the WRs that are going to decline dramatically from last year, for example.

You'd have to assume that Adams is still going to get the most targets of any WR, so it's all the other WRs who are going to see fewer targets.

blacke00's picture

It's called injuries! Quality depth is important. As I said before if all the receivers are rated as average (before D. Adams) Allison is most expendable, Kumerow likely next. The rest all have controllable contracts and are "cheap"! There players on this team thatare going to require bigger contracts to hold them. You are not going to pay big money to more than one WR if you need to spend it on a OL, LB or CB or whatever

hobowilly's picture

exactly......you beat me to writing that! I think TGR (although i really liked his detail and overall article) must have sampled some tainted cheese in his WR comments. Look, G-Mo has the potential/skills to be very good and there's no way GB keeps TD Jesus off the 53. This is as obvious as Vitale making the 53. MVS and G-mo are both ready to break out! Since injuries are bound to happen with the WR's we need depth there and also 1 or 2 on the PS. Please, let's also consider the new WR's coach, the fellow from Colorado State, i believe. I'm optimistic about his hard work and coaching skills, but i'm most impressed with coach Smith. I'm afraid GB might just move on from Burks as he won't be playing (or ready) until mid-season, if at all.
Last, let's not forget EQ, another quality WR that will continue his growth and game time...just watch! Oh, BTW, Sheppard (please don't get injured) on the 53 as GB tries to sneak Moore onto the PS.....and, if he gets picked up by others, oh well! Let's see what happens in ps games 2 & 3, but it appears the roster has formed pretty well.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I suppose deep down I consider Allison and Kumerow to be similar players, but I wonder if that should be the case. Allison has played 769 snaps in the NFL, but he has posted 15.2 and 16.8 yards/catch averages in 2018 and 2016 (ignoring the 11.0 average in the "Hundley year"), and he has 758 career yards receiving. His 60 yards/game last year looks like a breakout year. GB gave a $750K signing bonus to Allison, so GB would eat that if he's traded, and the acquiring team is looking at a $1.7M cap hit for Allison. No way around the fact that Kumerow has only played 136 snaps in the NFL, all for GB, and has just 102 career yards.

The other consideration is that Kumerow will be an ERFA in 2020, and Allison will be an UFA.

Rak47's picture

I think you broke things down very well. Another thing to consider is Allison is 2 full years younger than Kumerow as well.

fthisJack's picture

i don't get the Allison criticism. he had over 300 yards in 5 games last year. project that to 16 games. he pretty much catches everything, gets open, has good RAC, and has Rodgers trust. WTF more do you need out of the guy? if you trade him...you better get at least a third rounder for him.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Aaron Rodgers trust doesn't up a WR's value on the market. It only holds value in GB. There's no way you're getting a 3rd round pick for Allison. I'd be happy with a 5th rounder. MVS was taken in the 5th round...

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I am not trying to criticize Allison. If one is thinking short-term, I've no doubt that Allison is probably in GB's top 2 or 3 WRs for the 2019 season. I like Kumerow ad while I forgot to mention the age thing, at 27 he should be good for 3 or 4 years, which is the only window I am concerned about at this point. What's more important is the years of control GB has over the two players: for Allison it is this year, and for Kumerow it is 2019, 2020 when he will be an ERFA, and 2021 when he will be a RFA. Kumerow is the cheap longer-term player and Allison is the still cheap now but potentially expensive player long-term.

I just noted that Kumerow simply has not done it at the NFL level, and that fact makes me a little nervous.

I see the positive stuff about Trevor Davis as well. Again, if GB keeps both Allison and Davis, those are two guys who become UFAs after this season.

I am just thinking a little longer-term and considering whether getting a pick and possibly some cap relief for one of our WRs (depending on who it is) might be advantageous. I am not advocating for it at this point.

Old School's picture

I don't think we signed Allison to a $3 million deal so we could trade him for a last day draft pick.

Maybe Gutekunst doesn't know what he's doing and just gave a bunch of money to a guy who he doesn't need, or maybe he thinks that Allison is worth $3 million to the team.

Not cut, not traded.

Since '61's picture

TGR - good to hear that Jones and Jackson are back. I’m going to guess that they won’t see any game action until the 3rd preseason game.

It would be great to get King back as well, hopefully in time for the Bears.

Nice work again on the update. Thanks, Since ‘61

Johnblood27's picture

King needs to rub some dirt on it and get his a$$ in the third pre-season game.

I am getting really tired of the owies on this team.

Something HAS TO CHANGE.

Either tough love from thetraining staff, a tougher expectation from the coaching staff or an exhibition of "intestinal fortitude" from the players.

I don't like rooting for softies, and this team has worked their way into that category.

I really want a change.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Does anyone know what mistakes exasperated Ben Fennell about Fackrell's play against Houston?

Aubrey's picture

Not specifically about last Thursday, but Fackrell's numbers last year have given him a 'good rotational rusher' reputation among fans that he doesn't warrant. The numbers were great, but inflated by a couple of games with gimme sacks and he's too inconsistent to be relied upon IMO. He's the weakest lock on the 53 by a considerable distance but sadly there's no real competition for his spot.

murf7777's picture

Play I noticed was not setting the edge...not sure if that was the one. I did notice him getting some pressure thou.

Lare's picture

Yeah, I noticed a few times where he crashed inside on the snap and allowed big gains around the edge.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Fackrell also showed up on STs as a gunner. It'll be interesting to see what he does in 2019 buried on the depth chart.

flackcatcher's picture

To be honest, I think very little of Ben Fennell's ability to actually understand how teams use their players in their systems. (That goes double for the Packers.) As to Fackrell, he flat outs hates him on body type, and ability on the field. Does now believe he should not be playing period. Like a lot us here, love Fackrell or hate him, there is no in between for this guy.

Old School's picture

Maybe Fennell is angry because Fackrell had 10 sacks last year. If you think a guy is JAG, and then he leads the team in sacks , then you’re going to want to see stuff that confirms your initial bias.

Fackrell doesn’t miss games, he plays a lot of snaps on special teams, he’s cheap, and when he got a chance to play because of Perry’s injury he did a decent job.

I suspect he’ll be part of our OLB rotation and he’ll be helpful.

murf7777's picture

I think there will be a very good rotation with the smith’s fackrell and Gary....throw in Gilbert and keke....Clark, Adams and Lowry and I’m liking our front 5...keep’em fresh while rotating in and out. Martinez is a solid all down player...hope for bolton or summers or??? To step up and solid front 7!

ReaganRulz's picture

As far as the WRs on the team.......I just want them to move the sticks. Rodgers is always looking for the big play which is good, but we missed so many more minimal plays last year that would have helped us get first downs. Yes, we need somebody to stretch the field, but I’m totally okay with more running plays and more possession passes to keep our offense on the field. Lastly, we have a great receiver in Adams, but we really don’t have a consistent home run hitter like Hopkins, THill, etc. While not sexy, Rodgers needs to look for Allison/Kumerow/etc. as more shorter yardage possession guys which will move the chains.

hobowilly's picture

RR, good pts, "Rodgers needs to look for Allison/Kumerow/etc. as more shorter yardage possession guys which will move the chains"; i share this: again folks we are with an entirely new staff that brings with it diff alignments, language and hopefully accountability (MM is gone though). Moreover, i believe AR will be asked to reset his internal clock and get the ball out quicker which leads us to believe there will be more quick outs to your pt on short yardage possession options--i believe this will change since you will see the TE's and the RB's provide more options and will get at least 25% more receiving action thus perplexing D's more--where do i defend? Looking for more production and way less idiotic 3rd and 4th down calls, but as MLF has stated, we look to be more productive in the earlier downs as well. I appreciate going on 4th, but please don't call the obvious like MM did for several years.

murf7777's picture

RR....MVS should be our man for stretching the field.

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