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Packers Draft Special: RAS Short List

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Packers Draft Special: RAS Short List

Monday I linked Justis Mosqueda's threshold piece on the minimum numbers prospects usually have to hit to be considered being drafted by the Green Bay Packers.  Justis did fantastic work, but I'm going to offer an even simpler "short list".  

Wondering what RAS is?

Player School RAS
Alex Barnes Kansas State 9.74
Miles Sanders Penn State 9.45
Justice Hill Oklahoma State 9.31
Dexter Williams Notre Dame 8.51
     

WR

 

Player School RAS
Hakeem Butler Iowa State 9.92
Miles Boykin Notre Dame 9.92
Emanuel Hall Mizzou 9.91
Parris Campbell Ohio State 9.76
AJ Brown Ole Miss 9.7
DK Metcalf Ole Miss 9.65
Terry McLaurin Ohio State 9.64
Darius Slayton Auburn 9.55
N'Keal Harry Arizona State 9.44
Gary Jennings West Virginia 9.41
Jamal Custis Syracuse 9.21
Ashton Dullin Malone 9.08
Deebo Samuel South Carolina 8.91
Stanley Morgan Nebraska 8.79
Mecole Hardman Georgia 8.71
Travis Fulgham Old Dominion 8.66
Bisi Johnson Colorado State 8.55
Cody Thompson Toledo 8.45
Andy Isabella Umass 8.38
     

Isabella is included because he told me at the combine he'd met with Green Bay. Also his "low' RAS has more to do with size than athleticism.

TE

Player School RAS
Noah Fant Iowa 9.89
Foster Moreau LSU 9.62
Kahale Warring San Diego State 9.37
TJ Hockenson Iowa 9.14
Josh Oliver San Jose State 8.86
Drew Sample Washington 8.68
Alize Mack Notre Dame 8.52
     

OL

Player School RAS
Garrett Bradbury NC State 9.95
Chris Lindstrom Boston College 9.82
Andre Dillard Washington State 9.82
Connor McGovern Penn State 9.68
Kaleb McGary Washington 9.56
Ryan Bates Penn State 9.49
Yosuah Nijman Virginia Tech 9.47
Iosua Opeta Weber State 9.17
Hjalte Froholdt Arkansas 9.16
Elgton Jenkins Mississippi State 9.16
Phil Haynes Wake Forest 9.06
Trey Pipkins Sioux Falls 9
Deion Calhoun Mississippi State 8.89
Max Scharping NIU 8.77
Erik McCoy Texas A&M 8.55
     

EDGE

Player School RAS
Maxx Crosby EMU 9.93
Brian Burns FSU 9.89
Montez Sweat Mississippi State 9.88
Justin Hollins Oregon 9.86
Josh Allen Kentucky 9.83
John Cominsky Charleston 9.72
Ben Banogu TCU 9.57
Nick Bosa Ohio State 9.35
Anthony Nelson Iowa 9.22
Jordan Brailford Oklahoma State 8.92
Chase Winovich Michigan 8.58
     

IDL

Player School RAS
Rashan Gary Michigan 9.92
Dexter Lawrence Clemson 9.83
Jerry Tillery Notre Dame 9.74
Renell Wren Arizona State 9.67
Quinnen Williams Alabama 9.65
Trysten Hill UCF 8.75
Khalen Saunders Western Illinois 8.59
Christian Wilkins Clemson 8.51

LB

Player School RAS
Ty Summers TCU 9.9
Drue Tranquill Notre Dame 9.87
Blake Cashman Minnesota 9.55
Porter Gustin USC 9.53
Cody Barton Utah 9..34
Devin White LSU 9.33
Devin Bush Michigan 9.32
Bobby Okereke Stanford 9.29
Germaine Pratt NC State 9.27
Jamal Davis Akron 9.23
Sione Takitaki BYU 9.06
Ben Burr-Kirven Washington 8.91
Jordan Jones Kentucky 8.54
Tyrel Dodson Texas A&M 8.4

CB

Player School RAS
Isaiah Jhnson Houston 9.99
Jamel Dean Auburn 9.94
Sean Bunting CMU 9.8
Ken Webster Ole Miss 9.78
Kris Boyd Texas 9.68
David Long Michigan 9.55
Michael Jackson Miami 9.53
Trayvon Mullen Clemson 9.49
Corey Ballentine Washburn 9.49
Amani Oruwariye Penn State 9.43
Mark Fields Clemson 9.41
Justin Layne Michigan State 9.26
Derrek Thomas Temple 9.22
Lonnie Johnson Kentucky 9.1
Jordan Brown South Dakota State 8.85
Iman Marshall USC 8.7
     

S

Player School RAS
Juan Thornhill Virginia 10
Marvell Tell III USC 9.91
Will Harris Boston College 9.69
Sheldrick Redwine Miami 9.57
Saquan Hampton Rutgers 9.42
Darnell Savage Maryland 9.21
Amani Hooker Iowa 9
Marquise Blair Utah 8.86
Zedrick Woods Ole Miss 8.82

This is all of course to say that the Pakcers will almost certainly select players that are not on this list.  With that said, it's a great place to start if you want to watch some clips on potential Packers players or start putting together some mocks. Here's your short list.

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Ross Uglem is a staff writer for Cheesehead TV. He can be found on Twitter @RossUglem 

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Bure9620's picture

Yup, Agree with everything here. The Packers value athleticism. Justis Mosqueda has been very accurate over the last few years. My mocks use the RAS score. Quite exclusively. (No, I doubt Hockensen is available this late). I really believe there are some players simply not on the Packers board due to low RAS.

Picks:
Round 1 Pick 12: Gary, Rashan, DE, Michigan (A)
Round 1 Pick 24 (OAK): Sweat, Montez, DE, Mississippi State (B+)
Round 2 Pick 14 (WASH): Dillard, Andre, OT/OT, Washington State (A-)
Round 3 Pick 12 (WASH): Hockenson, T.J., TE, Iowa (A+)
Round 4 Pick 12: Bradbury, Garrett, C, North Carolina State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 16: Mack, Alize, TE, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Barnes, Alex, RB, Kansas State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 12: Hall, Emanuel, WR, Missouri (A+)
Round 6 Pick 21: Johnson, Isaiah, CB, Houston (A+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Russell, Dontavius, DT, Auburn (A+)

GBPDAN1's picture

Waddle goes to Rams on a reasonable deal..... bummer

dibibag7's picture

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CO_Brandon's picture

Honestly garbage. How do you think all those players are available at those picks. You don't even explain how we get pick 24.

Bure9620's picture

It is a draft simulator, sorry I am spreading "garbage"

Bure9620's picture

You will see we traded back with Oakland, that's how we got to 24

CO_Brandon's picture

We trade with Oakland and some how don't lose any picks

Handsback's picture

Well, it's a good starting point! Thanks for the effort Ross!

jimtalkbox's picture

Thank you! I was looking for something like this!

Turophile's picture

I'd throw out the numbers when it comes to Clelin Ferrell (Edge) and Ed Oliver (DL). If either is available at #12, I'd snap them up.

Also there is no DL Jeffery Simmons listed, because he tore his ACL, and I'd be a player for him at pick #30.

That is not to say I don't agree with you about the Packers and high RAS scores, the last few years have more than proved that.

Unless he goes much higher than most project at the moment Edge guy Maxx Crosby could be a high-priority target in say, the 5th round.

LB Ty Summers has an extraordinary score (9.9), but until I find out what his 3cone and short shuttle times are (not listed at the combine so i guess he dodged those drills), I couldn't really go all-in on him

Ross Uglem's picture

Ed Oliver will qualify once he actually has enough publicly known testing numbers to qualify. Of that I am almost certain. I will be extremely surprised if Ferrell is not available at 12.

Dzehren's picture

12. Ferrell DE
30 Lindstrom OL
44. Irv Smith TE
76 Juan Thornhill Safety

Turophile's picture

Solid choices, Dzehren

PeteK's picture

I would be very happy with that draft ! I would be ecstatic with Ferrell, Hockenson, Risner( can play G and T) Thornhill or Savage because they both have coverage ability, Miles Sanders RB, Winovich(at the least could be a good special team player). Gipson was just released, his numbers look good but I don't know too much about him as far as coverage skills.

nostradanus's picture

Thanks Ross

Yes Gutey does seem to follow RAS in his Draft Choices and UDFA pickups, he is trying to inject more athleticism into this roster not only for 2019 but beyond.

I like what he did last year and lets hope he hits it BIG in this years draft which could pole vault the team forward quickly if a few tasty Free Agents are mixed in.

This is a talented and deep draft which looks to not drop off dramatically until about the 5th round. The Packers have 6 choices before the 5th round which should provide a major influx of quality talent.

Very Exciting indeed!

Go Pack!

that is all.....

Turophile's picture

I'd say the real dropoff was almost always the third round (early on in the third in the bad years, late in good years). However, since it all depends on something so subjective, your take (5th round) is just as valid as mine.

I guess if you want to be more accurate, I'd say that after round three you could still find decent value picks at TE and especially at WR and RB. You might also find decent developmental pass rushers after round three this year (which is very unusual)..........................so after disagreeing with you, i'm sort of agreeing with you - my head hurts.

I do agree it is a pretty exciting year with all the changes, plenty of draft ammo and a very interesting bunch of candidates that might be Packers.

ricky's picture

Physical attributes are great. What is greater is desire to be great, football instincts and smarts, and the willingness to learn. And then, as also mentioned, the player must be used correctly. So, will MLF or Pettine be stubborn, or will they adjust to the abilities of the player, and make them fit into the system. Please, no square pegs for round holes.

Turophile's picture

..............and if you have a square peg, you design a square hole (scheme) for that peg.

Old School's picture

I think you try to identify guys you'd like to add to the team and then try to move around in the draft to get the guys you want. Try to get as many picks in the Top 110 or so as you can.

These RAS scores on some of the non-first round TEs are interesting. It is a matter of record that you're more likely to get a really good TE on the second day than the first.

cpitt's picture

Will people please stop with the Rashan Gary noise. The guy is an A+ athlete who cant really play. Dude should be a low second round pick at best. Look at his production, its terrible. Id much rather have Winovich than Gary.

Bure9620's picture

I'm not sure what you mean "he can't really play." Watch his film, his first step is terrific and he was nearly unblockable at the college level when singled up. His lateral movement is insane. Watch the game against Wisconsin, Gary caused so much disruption in the middle there was essentially no pocket to step up into. Rashan Gary CAN play.

stockholder's picture

Gary gets hung up on Blocks. Needs more rushing moves. Much better for a 4-3-4 defense. Bush was the best player on Michigans defense.

Ross Uglem's picture

what exactly did I say about Rashan Gary that so offended you?

cpitt's picture

Nothing at all. I just people in the comments everywhere parroting that Rashan Gary would be a great pick. He'd be a terrible reach IMO.

Turophile's picture

He is certainly a polarising player and I have seen him anywhere from 5th overall to mid-round two.

I don't much like (relatively) unproved athletes myself, (I want high production in round one), but exceptional athletes always get taken pretty high - so while I don't endorse it, i do understand it.

Lare's picture

I'm really no expert on RAS, but if you're going off of pure athleticism isn't there the chance to get guys like Spriggs, Jones, Moore and Burks- athletes that test well but don't take that ability to the football field?

Bure9620's picture

Might be a bit early to Judge Burks and Moore, only had a rookie season

Ross Uglem's picture

1. Yes of course there is, though plenty of bad athletes don't pan out. Look at Laquon Treadwell or Eddie Lacy.

2. Not very smart to dismiss Moore or Burks after one season.

Jonathan Spader's picture

What's interesting is Moore has a lower RAS than MVS or ESB and was taken before them. Burks was injured in 2018 hopefully he can be our cover LB in 2019. Antonio Morrison was just released so they must be counting on Burks and maybe Josh Jones.

dobber's picture

I just saw that on Morrison as well. I'm a little surprised, myself. I thought they'd at least carry him into camp. Apparently they wanted his $2M cap money...

profootballrumors.com/2019/03/packers-waive-lb-antonio-morrison

lowcsp's picture

or devin white

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Yeah, Dobber, same thing I've written: not going to pay Morrison $2.045M to be a one down LB. GB had to pay him the $2 mill unless they released him. No one will put in a waiver claim because that team would have to pay Morrison $2M.

After he clears waivers, teams can sign him for his market value, which might be between $720K and $1M at a guess.

HankScorpio's picture

I hope nobody is going off athleticism alone. Looking at just one thing on potential draft choices is silly, no matter what that thing is. That includes video. A guy with eye-popping video that has some kind of medical or character issue can easily turn into a poor choice.

Using hard measurements to determine whether lack of athleticism will be a contributing factor to a potential draft pick going bad is good due diligence, IMO. It's not much different that an corporate HR dept only looking at job candidates with a college degree.

Bear's picture

Last year there were 171 players above the 8.4 mark. If every team took a player 8.4 or above you wouldn’t draft lower until the 6th round. Sorry not a fan of RAS.

Ross Uglem's picture

boy is that not how that works.

PatrickGB's picture

I hear a lot of talk from our coaches and staff about “Good Football Players”. I wonder how that fits into RAS? I also know that the competition that they play against matters game in and game out. And what about motivation? Also, what about the coaching and scheme?I think that there are too many variables to actually have any “scientific” method that works well all the time.
But I sure love and appreciate the effort that’s put into these articles at CheeseheadTV.

fthisJack's picture

RAS is just one metric. add in production, motor, and character and you develop your board.

stockholder's picture

Based on this I would take @12 Sweat. @30 and @75 To trade up for Burns. @44 Bradbury

buddrow53's picture

finally someone gave some props to Drue Tranquill. He came my neck of the woods 20mi.
Tried many many times to get signed by Notre Dame. They would not sign him, finally after a open try out Coach Kelly took less than a hour and told his people to sign that kid.

2 time Captain at ND engineering degree, public service awards a Brainiac along with Blake, 2 of the smartest players in the NFL.
Late 4th round or 5th would be a good grab.

Old School's picture

Trade #12 for #21 and #50..

Trade #30 for #37 and

We now have picks at #21 #37, #44, #50 and #76 .

Who is projected to be available at #21? Well, that depends on who is doing the projecting but I'm seeing names like Wilkins and Hochensen and Bush....every one of these guys would instantly be an upgrade.

I think we should trade down and get more guys.

Dzehren's picture

GB already has 10 picks. Pick #12 is gold this year.
A trade up from pick 44 or 76 is more likely.

CalPacker's picture

Absolutely. There are impact players in Rds 2-4 that can help us. Just watching tape on guys like Henderson, Hill, Savage and Barton last night, I'm more convinced than ever that we can have quantity AND quality by drafting down...

CalPacker's picture

Trysten Hill, that is...

fthisJack's picture

i also like the trade down idea unless someone unbelievable slides. move back 6 -8 spots and still get a great football player. probably someone that could have been your pick at 12 and add another 2nd or 3rd. then later if you see a guy in range that you have to have, jump up and grab him.

ShooterMcGee's picture

What I don't get is how so many p!ayers score in the 90th percentile. Shouldnt only 10% score so high? What pool of players are we talking about? All players at this years combine or all players ever tested?

Ross Uglem's picture

It’s data that goes back to 1987. Players are continually getting bigger faster stronger. It does make sense in the scheme of the last 32 years.

Frolio's picture

Ross would probably like a draft that turned out how mine did last night on Fanspeak using Matt Miller's big board.

12 Brian Burns, Edge, FSU

30 Devin Bush, LB, Michigan

44 Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, S, Florida

75 Amani Oruwariye, CB, Penn State

114 Ben Powers, G, Oklahoma

118 Andy Isabella, WR, UMass

150 Khalen Saunders, DL, Western Illinois

185 Kaleb McGary, OT, Washington

194 Jace Sternberger, TE, Texas A&M

226 Bryce Love, RB, Stanford

Six of them are listed in this article, CGJ seems to be one of the most versatile safeties in the draft, Powers is decent value at that spot, I think Sternberger was First Team All American, and Love was considered a Heisman candidate until injuries derailed his last season.

Turophile's picture

I'd rather go OT at #30................but a tremendous selection of talent.

In reality, I'd expect your last five picks to go a round or more earlier, but I'd go for it, if that was how it panned out.

stockholder's picture

No OT at #30. Guard! The Rt will be just as good in the 3rd-4th. The top guards must be taken in the second. They will have to take a RT for the RG position. Thats in 4th rds. I'll take a TE before [email protected] Bet this pick gets traded.

jww061356's picture

Wow. That would be a scary good draft.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Everyone is picking draft picks A to Z for #12 spot.
Changing your mind like the wind that blows in every direction not knowing which way its coming from.

I'm going to pick the #12 very clean, plain and simple, so everyone can be happy for the next 10 year's.

TE Iowa - T.J. Hockenson

And, you can take that to the bank! Home boys.

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