Packers Depth At Edge Is A Differentiator

The NFL is a passing league, which means that rushing the passer is the top priority for any defense.

As important as defensive backs are, defenses can't be successful without a pass rush. Even if they have the best cover corners in the league, without a pass rush, it's just a matter of time before offenses pick them apart.

This is why the Packers have wisely placed a premium on acquiring edge defenders. Ever since Brian Gutekunst took over, he's made it a priority to acquire pass rushers with premium draft picks and top dollar free agents.

This year, it's come together with the deepest group they've had in recent memory, which is among the deepest in the league. 

Rashan Gary is one of the most impactful edge rushers in the NFL. He doesn't put up the flashy sack numbers, but he gets to the quarterback. He gets quarterback hits and pressures. He commands double-teams and he's strong against the run. In short, he's the center of the Packers defense. Last year, when he went down, the Packers defense took a nosedive, even with studs like Kenny Clark and Jaire Alexander. He is a premier edge player and looks primed to return early in the season.

Preston Smith may be approaching 30, but it hasn't resulting a dropoff in impact. He still gets after the quarterback and he also holds up well on the edge against the run. He is, at worst, a solid starting edge rusher.

Kingsley Enagbare looked great as a rookie. He was a revelation as a very rare Day 3 pick to make impact at edge. Now, he's having a fantastic camp and tearing up the preseason. Enagbare looks like a guy who is making a big year 2 jump and can be a big contributor this year.

Lukas Van Ness is unmolded clay. A top 15 pick with incredible physical gifts, he's shown glimpses of his speed and power. While he hasn't yet come up with splash plays in preseason, it's clear to see what he's capable of. He looks a lot like Rashan Gary did as a rookie: an incredible athletic profile with size and power who might need a year or two to reach his potential. Luckily for the Packers, their depth gives him the time to develop (just like Za'Darius Smith and Preston Smith gave Rashan Gary time to develop).

Brenton Cox Jr is the wildcard of the group. He has great measurables and was a tantalizing college prospect who flashed impressive potential with questionable off-field behavior. He was kicked off two teams and went undrafted as a result. The Packers gave him a chance as an undrafted free agent and so far, he looks like he could be a player. Even as a rotational depth player, he represents great value as an undrafted free agent.

Quay Walker is the bonus edge rusher of the group. While he plays mostly on the inside, his athletic profile fits as a quick edge rusher. He saw spot duty there and adds another element to the Packers edge rushing group.

 

With three experienced edge starters and a couple talented rookies, the Packers have one of the deepest edge groups in the league. Even if the rookies never hit their potential, having three proven legit pass rushers (and the option to put Quay Walker out there for some reps) makes them formidable.

This depth gives the Green Bay defense a lot of flexibility, and allows them to bring Van Ness along slowly and work him in with special packages. They also have flexibility because each of them can hold up against the run, meaning that opposing offenses can't catch them in a sub package and exploit the edges.

The Packers can also rotate players in on different series to ensure no one gets too worn down.

Kicking off the season with the Bears, Falcons, Saints, Lions, and Raiders means the Packers won't face a top tier quarterback until they start to approach midseason.

If they can use their depth at edge rusher to make these teams one-dimensional, it could go a long way to helping them start the season hot.

Meanwhile, Rashan Gary will continue to heal and Lukas Van Ness will develop, preparing the team for later in the season, when they have to face guys like Patrick Mahomes.

The Packers have a realistic shot at a playoff spot in the parity-ridden NFC and their deep pass rushing group could be the engine that powers that run.

 

Bruce Irons has played, coached, and studied football for decades. Best-selling author of books such as A Fan's Guide To Understanding The NFL Draft, A Fan's Guide To Understanding The NFL Salary Cap, and A Fan's Guide To NFL Free Agency Hits And Misses, Bruce contributes to CheeseHeadTV and PackersForTheWin.com.

Follow Bruce Irons on Twitter at @BruceIronsNFL.

 

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Cheezehead72's picture

August 25, 2023 at 06:47 am

I was happy that the Packers drafted LVN because I thought he could start if Gary was not healed up. I am glad that Gary is ready to play because LVN is not ready to start. I believe he will be good in time because he has to work on his technique and strength. With Gary back I feel more comfortable about the EDGE position.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:23 am

I agree. His edge talent will be unleashed eventually. Like Enagbare, who invested in learning the NFL edge skills, is showing the dividends of his work. And Luther also has a rep for smarts and high work ethic. He will add more to his tools to compliment his reliance on his bullrush. Arrow points straight up.

However, LVN's bullrush with his strength and speed/quickness can be used NOW at DE playing in combinations with Kenny, Slaton, Wyatt, Brooks and Wooden.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:26 am

It will be interesting to see how they use LVN this season. Hopefully he develops into the monster he shows potential to be.

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x24's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:50 am

Van Ness looks like a BMOC, but in the NFL, every single player was a BMOC

He needs time to develop, hopefully he is a quick study

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TKWorldWide's picture

August 25, 2023 at 11:03 am

But with the depth around him, he’s got time.

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mnbadger's picture

August 25, 2023 at 11:04 am

Great unvarnished take.
We'll know more by Halloween.
GPG!

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:26 am

I like what we have in Smith, Gary, Enagbare and Hollins. I like Van Ness’s upside and he seems to have the work ethic to bring it out. Cox has potential too, though I think he seems a little more prone to mistakes of inexperience. I’d like him on the roster but I think he needs a little time like Van Ness. That’s a whole lot better than the depth last year.

I want to point out that Hollins gets regarded as an afterthought. I didn’t expect much when we picked him up, but he immediately made us better, particularly against the run. This summer he’s looked more threatening too.

We forget that Hollins is a premier athlete. He had a RAS of 9.68, despite a poor shuttle. He had some polishing needed and he needed to add mass despite being 248 pounds. He was tall and thinly built for his position at 6’5. He looks to have added some muscle since. His explosiveness is ultra elite, his agility is his issue with his lack of effective power coming in. It looks to me as if our D just suits him better.

Hollins has been a plus for us since we picked him up. I’m not saying he’s a superstar steal, but he’s been good for us thus far in the run game and I think we will see more from him as a rotational rusher this year based on the summer. That’s a pretty good top 4 even without the potential of the rookies.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:32 am

Yep! Hollins was a big improvement over Garvin and Hamilton. Experienced pro with some NFL starts on his resume.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:34 am

I think you might have a transposition error, I have Hollins' RAS as 9.68 which is still excellent. 40 time of 4.50. High risk of being poached off our PS, he should be rostered.

It really says something that guys of his caliber are so easily overlooked, lost in the sea of talent that is the 2023 Packers!

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:46 am

Yes I caught that while finishing my thoughts. I have taken to posting before I finish longer thoughts, as the site too often swallows a post completely if I don’t.

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greengold's picture

August 25, 2023 at 08:38 am

I've had the same experience, often. Poof! Gone!

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greengold's picture

August 25, 2023 at 08:42 am

I second your take on Hollins. He's LEGIT. We're witnessing what I think will be a formidable build out at DL and OLB. There's pass rush from every player, with run stop. I can't recall seeing that in GB in the last decade.

I've had Hollins as a lock for 2023 since the draft, and that feeling has only strengthened with the reps I've seen him play. He's improved this offseason.

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GregC's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:21 am

What about Justin Hollins? He is ahead of Van Ness and Cox on the depth chart and appears to be having a pretty good training camp.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:26 am

You beat me too it, Greg.

Hollins is a heck of a pro with great size, strength and speed. Good run defender too, like Preston. And core on STs. Good pro. Barry knows him well and trusts him. He is indeed the #4 Edge.

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greengold's picture

August 25, 2023 at 08:03 am

Hollins has impressed the hell outta me. With limited reps, he's shown a lot of production. I'm really excited to see more from Justin Hollins this season. The Packers are building a really solid rotation, with little to no drop off between the 1s and 2s.

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HawkPacker's picture

August 25, 2023 at 08:12 am

Yes, that is the first thing that I caught in the article that he did not mention Hollins. Last year I thought he was better than Enagbare. This year they have flip flopped but Hollins is still a very good EDGE player.

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Handsback's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:21 am

Thanks Bruce nice write up. I think the main takeaway is that the Packers now have pass rushers on multiple positions on defense. You can plan to take away one guy, maybe two but if you have more then that it creates issues for protection.
Just MHO

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:23 am

We've got pass rush beyond just OLB, too 😎

Disrupting opposing backfields should be a strength this season, and #7 can be part of that. The best friend to any DB.

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NickPerry's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:29 am

WHO would dislike this comment? All right Bears fans...QUIT trolling! We STILL own you!!

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GregC's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:41 am

I think there are people who downvote everything for whatever reason. Teenagers? Sometimes I look back at posts I've made, and a downvote has been added to every one of them, even when they are brief and not controversial in any way.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:55 am

Most likely a poster you disagreed with who now holds a grudge. Some people are like that. Living in yesterday and dragging around a chain of grudges like Jacob Marley not the way to enjoy life.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 25, 2023 at 12:16 pm

Who cares? Look at it like a badge of honor!

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:50 am

Adding threat in the middle makes as much of a difference as adding the ability to stop the run. It will help the OLBs by preventing teams loading the outside. This D is built to start with the font 7.

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NickPerry's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:27 am

I'm happy as hell Gary is back, schooling Packers O-Linemen which will only make them better. I can't wait to see him in week one sacking Justin Fields. Just one thing, that NASTY field of the Bears makes me nervous. Not just for Gary, but ALL of the Packers players.

Yes, this edge group is deep, and I REALLY hope Cox sticks. Being a former knucklehead myself (What person in Recovery wasn't a knucklehead) I love the underdogs. With a rep like his he's had to REALLY show out, probably more than most UDFA who come in trying to make the team.

Hmmm...It sure looks as if my guy Van Ness might have a tough time being named the DROY award based on what I've read. BUT, if he comes along slowly AND turns out to be a lot like Gary, who the hell cares. Besides, we have Kingsley!

I KNOW Karl Brooks isn't a "Edge Guy" but I for one am really anxious to see what he does against NFL starters. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if he produces...Hey, Karl Brooks for DROY!

Quay Walker...UNLEASH the beast baby!!

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greengold's picture

August 25, 2023 at 08:55 am

You never know, Nick. Lukas Van Ness is a competitive, hard working kid, with what's looking like some insane competition all around him. He just might become a quick study as the season progresses. Yeah, from the replays I've watched, he's shown a need for development, but, he could still bring it in 2023.

If opponents are doubling others on our defensive front, LVN just might make a lot of them pay. Especially as he gains playing experience.

Brooks is looking very good early here. Wooden too. WOW! I'm liking what I'm seeing on D up front. Packers might benefit from adding more ILB talent via trade or waiver claim. Quay could probably use some help depending on Campbell injury...

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PeteK's picture

August 25, 2023 at 10:43 am

I'm very happy with Brooks and Wooden, but I'm tempering my excitement because they have not competed against #1s. Quay seems to be similar to Martinez, gets the job done 3-4 yds down field. However, he's young and has the tools to become an impact ILB the likes of Tampa's White /David.

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TKWorldWide's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:38 am

All good points!

In addition, as the Packer offense continues to improve, the opposition will be forced into one dimensional football as they find themselves trailing by more than one score in the second half.

The Colt defenses in the Peyton Manning era were not built to stuff the run BECAUSE teams that trail go away from the run. (But it appears that the GB edges defend that well too.)

And Quay could rush from inside as well; dial up those exotic blitzes, baby!

PS how soon will 52 get extended?

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greengold's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:40 am

Improved pass rush from the middle with Ford, Slaton, Wyatt, and new additions Wooden and Brooks are likely having a positive effect on what is looking like a really talented OLB group. Like Cheesehead72, I was stoked about the Van Ness pick for the quality of help he brings to OLB, where we really needed depth. Hollins, Cox Jr., Banks and Mosby have been plus additions with different offerings .

Save for Gary's lightening fast recovery from his ACL, I'd say the biggest surprise in the OLB Room is Kingsley Enagbare. At 6-4 265, he packs some power. 10 5/8' (82%) hands are a plus in getting off blocks and to the QB. He had a huge 45 QB Pressures as a Senior at South Carolina. His vertical was 36.5 putting him in the 85th percentile amongst his draft class. He's explosive.

Touted as a player who never takes a snap off. I think we're starting to see that.

A year's development with LVN should pay big dividends in 2024, and while he's learning the ropes this season. He's been rock solid in RUN STOP. Nearly every defender we added in 2023 has RUN STOP as a strength, along with solid pass rush offerings. Good!

It's starting to look like a vastly improved pass rush from our interior DL and OLB, which should be difficult on opposing offenses, forcing them into poor decisions our secondary might benefit from. There's a chance heavy pass rush up the middle and from outside helps our CBs/Safeties in a big way this season.

I could see the savvy veteran Preston Smith having a big year with the mismatches our DL/OLBs present to opponents this season. Where do opposing Ds double team? This should be fun.

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dobber's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:55 am

Enagbare's scouting reports read a lot like Z. Smith's.

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greengold's picture

August 25, 2023 at 08:07 am

Yeah, I'm not surprised. Enagbare brings explosion size and strength. Not an elite athlete, but brings some great tools to the pass rush table. I think the difference between the two might be that Enagbare's motor has no "OFF."

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mnbadger's picture

August 25, 2023 at 11:13 am

So far, his over-sized ego doesn't seem to have an "ON" - Z's became stuck there.
GPG!

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stockholder's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:41 am

Walker will never start outside again.
Especially if Barry is his coach.
Justin Hollins should have been mentioned First.
I get your names, and that you never have enough Rushers.
But I just think you might be jumping the gun.
Especially if you're trying to find a Gary clone.
The truth is you can't tie money up in one defensive position.
And the big money player still needs a breather.
If Van Ess can follow Gary - Terrific.
But I just think they will follow Peppers more.
Especially as long as they continue to play the 3-4-4.
Fast Lbs do one thing - They move around. They cover.
And what the great ones do, is tackle in the open.
Ask them to go inside. It's can do.
The Packers OLBs are becoming one dimensional.
If the ILBs go out. Forget the playoffs.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 25, 2023 at 08:20 am

Good point. I note Jason Rebrovich is not the Outside LB coach, but "Pass Rush Specialist".

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:48 am

Having a stout run D to compliment the pass rush is an absolute must. (Apologies for preaching to the choir.)

This has been the achilles heel of Barry's D. Last year the Packers pass D was outstanding (when not playing zone). But even then, the Pack defended the fewest pass attempts in the NFL...because the opponents were getting first downs and scores on the ground.

I think we have the Can Do/Will Do talent on the DL for a better run D. ILB with Campbell returning to flank Walker...should be solid. McDuffie is an ok backup but I would like to see Gutey try to add a FA ILB after NFL cutdowns. Safety remains a weakness but Ford will tackle and is quick. Maybe Johnson makes a move. Maybe someone on Gutey's cutdown board is available.

The key will be the coaches teaching and demanding discipline defending it.

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dobber's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:51 am

There's depth here (as has been pointed out, Hollins was omitted) and with Gary likely to be available early on, there should be a really good rotation. Very encouraged by Enagbare showing well so far in camp. I thought he was a steal at draft time, waffled on him a bit during the season last year, but he has played very well and almost always seems to be on the plus side of the reports.

This group is six guys deep right now--they're not likely to keep six, so I wouldn't be surprised if they trade out of depth rather than risking losing a guy they hope to get to the PS to a claim at cutdowns.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 25, 2023 at 08:09 am

Enagbare 2022 = Van Ness 2023. A year of seasoning will serve Luther very well. Kingsley has shown how to do it. He has plenty of mentors!

It also seems Jason Rebrovich is a good teacher/coach. Question on Jason: Why does Barry call him "Pass Rush Specialist" but Olivadotti is named "Inside Linebackers Coach". Doesn't Rebrovich coach his guys on run D too? Odd title. Maybe Montgomery is charged with coaching the OLBs on run D? IDK.

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LeotisHarris's picture

August 25, 2023 at 08:37 am

"Why does Barry call him "Pass Rush Specialist" but Olivadotti is named "Inside Linebackers Coach". Doesn't Rebrovich coach his guys on run D too? Odd title. Maybe Montgomery is charged with coaching the OLBs on run D? IDK."

Interesting questions. Could have been hasty decisions made on position titles on the afternoon of last day of the strategic planning retreat (maybe right before pm break/snack). Someone had to consider actual duties and where coaches vs specialists fall on the pay scale. I'm guessing the staff felt they could work around Gretchen in HR (she's been there forever) and just roll with it as the season progressed. Still, like you, I wonder...

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greengold's picture

August 25, 2023 at 08:22 am

Personally, I think they have to keep 6 OLB, as we can't afford injury at OLB to decimate the rest of the D. We really struggled after Gary's departure last season. That kind of goes to a heightened emphasis in the TRENCHES. I'd prefer 10 OL, 6 OLB and 6 DL to work in really solid rotations throughout the season. That will save a lot of wear and tear, keeping all 12 of those defenders fresh for the playoffs.

It really should be fun to watch all of this young talent develop over the next few years.

But, you're right that our depth beyond our top 6 might help Gutekunst work a trade before roster cuts. Maybe one of those top 6 brings a bigger trade chip, with our other depth players making the loss minimal. We're looking awfully rich at both OLB and OT. Wouldn't be surprised to see a trade from 1 or both position groups to shore up other positions.

Better to get something than to lose a good player for nothing. Good call, dobber.

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dobber's picture

August 25, 2023 at 08:57 am

This is a very different starting point at OLB than what they had last year. It's a stronger group, 1-5 especially, in comparison to the 2022 group that was really 2-deep out of camp, and crossing your fingers over Enagbare, Hamilton, and Garvin. I'll take this group even with a rehabbing Gary any day over what they opened with last year.

I just keep finding myself thinking that the Tyler Davis injury will have ripples down the roster WRT who sticks and at what positions. Quay certainly moved outside more as the season progressed last year (as did Campbell in 2021), so they might see this flexibility as an opportunity to keep an Erik Wilson AND Tariq Carpenter (or some other combo of similar players who are primarily ST contributors) who might help to fill that void through multiple players rather than a single Davis. Who is the resulting casualty?

I might be completely wrong and it may open the door further for OLB to stick. I may find myself looking a little more closely on Saturday at how they're filling for him on the punt/kick units.

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Lphill's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:59 am

I hope Barry does not hold back the development of Van Ness like he did Wyatt.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 25, 2023 at 08:17 am

I don't think Van Ness is ready to take snaps from Enagbare or Hollins. Too raw with just a bullrush going. He might be getting rotation snaps at DE which could utilize his bullrush now.

Wyatt was the victim of Reed and Lowry taking his snaps. I could see Reed...but Lowry? Wyatt should have been taking many of Deans snaps. That said, Wyatt has seemed to have hit a wall a bit. He started hot and has cooled. Meanwhile, Brooks and Wooden have stayed hot.

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greengold's picture

August 25, 2023 at 08:26 am

I've had that same thought, LP, but have considered we just might be that strong on both lines. Time will tell as we get into the schedule. That iron sharpening iron thing could be very real in GB.

Gutekunst's Day 3 is already looking to have been pretty impressive. We'll find out for real pretty soon.

Wyatt has a lot of proving to do. They all do.

Lukas Van Ness is learning all kinds of new techniques, and from what I've seen, he needed to add more tricks to the bag. The Packers as a rule tend to draft a year or two out. You're right that game snaps could be hard to come by, unless they really do work a solid rotation... LVN will get his work this season, and I look forward to seeing his development while playing in a rotation in 2023.

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 25, 2023 at 08:35 am

I really like our edge group.

First off getting Gary back already to me feels like a bonus. He is a difference maker who makes our entire defense better. Having him back will not only set the tone for the defense it will allow LVN time to develop, just like Gary did when he came into the league.
Smith is the veteran on the team. He does things that don't always go on the stat sheet, but he makes a difference.
Enagbare was a great pick in the 5th round last year. It looks like he is taking a year 2.
LVN I believe was a great pick. He will need a bit of time to develop just like Gary did. But he has great skills and will be able to be in the rotation from day 1.

One thing that I really like about our edge group doesn't have anything to do with our edge group. Its actually our DL. We have some guys along the DL now that will be able to provide a pass rush. Having an interior rush will give our OLB even more ability to get to the QB.
Gutey has done a really good job of adding to our defensive front. We have a lot of guys that make an impact!

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Deepsky's picture

August 25, 2023 at 09:12 am

I'm not as positive. The Packers number of sacks last year was in the bottom 10. Preston Smith and Rashan Gary are the only proven pass rushers and Gary is coming off an ACL. Enagbare looks decent, but he likely won't replace the production of Gary. So right there it looks worse than the below average season the Packers had last year. Van Ness has looked easily contained by backups. The rest are wishful thinking.

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jhtobias's picture

August 25, 2023 at 10:10 am

Great article ! I realize Justin Hollins was just an oversite he will be on the 53 .

Question. It looks like either ford or cox will not mske the 53 but of course and most likely im wrong. If they have have to choose between ford or cox which player has a more likely chance of being poached on waivers or from the practice squad?

I would say cox because edge rushers arw a premuim and while ford seems to excel in practice it seems like in the presean games he hasnt held up at all.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 25, 2023 at 12:22 pm

I think people are sleeping on Banks. A couple of writers have said he's been better than Cox over the last week. I'd guess they both end up on the PS but it wouldn't shock me if Banks makes the 53 over Cox.

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fthisJack's picture

August 25, 2023 at 07:54 pm

Surprised nobody has mentioned McDuffie. He seems pretty solid when he's in there. Don't count him out.

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