Packers DB/RB/TE/QB Snap Counts - 2021 Season Summary

Here are the season-long snap counts for the defensive backs, tight ends, quarterbacks and running backs, plus another confession or two.

 

WK 26 31 41 20 21 22 23 24 29 39
1 82 97 23 90 13   90 10   56
2 100 100 4 98 77   100     34
3 100 100 19   100   100     63
4 100 100 27   100 10 60 30   83
5 100 100 28 63 97 1   39   87
6 51 100 61   100 5   15 85 75
7 100 100 24   100 17   19 81 85
8 100 100 22   100 0   0 100 100
9 100 100 15 100   0     100 82
10 100 100 46 33 98 2   0 69 100
11 100 100 14 37 90 0   0 77 59
12 100 100 31   100 0   0 100 100
14 100 100 37 5 100 0   0 95 90
15 100 100 1 19 100 0   0 100 80
16 100 100 16   100     0 100 74
17 100 85 15 20 100 17   15 85 65
18 100 64 36 19 97 8   24 76 69
Ave 96.1 96.8 24.6 46.6 92 8.6 87.5 21.7 89 76.6
PFF 59.7 75.9 42.6 70.6 66.3 45.5 75.1 31 73.5 55.0

 

26: Darnell Savage was okay, but I had hopes that he would improve to the elite level this year.  He was good to very good last year, so I cannot help but feel a little disappointment.  Yet, he was close a number of times to making a big play.  It seems certain that the Packers will exercise his fifth year option after the season and before May of 2022 to lock Savage up for 2022 and 2023.  OTC projects Savage's fifth year option in 2023 at $7.9 million, so that decision is easy.

31: Adrian Amos might have been Gute's most efficient free agency signing in 2019.  He has been a godsend.  He has been durable and good.  He can play deep in the traditional free safety position and also as the strong safety.  He is wonderful at limiting gains by coming up quickly and making a solid tackle - no herding the ball carrier out of bounds for Amos.

41: Henry Black did not improve.  One can only surmise that the Packers hoped Vernon Scott would make a jump and/or expected Will Redmond to be the primary backup.  Redmond was fine deep, though he just was not meant to be a hybrid ILB.  [By the way, per Ken Ingalls, Redmond has filed an injury grievance against the Packers for the last 7 weeks of base salary.  He went on IR but the two sides could not reach an injury settlement.  The Packers released Redmond after 11 weeks, presumably when he passed a physical.  Redmond contends he was not healthy.  40% of the amount in question counts against the 2021 salary cap until an arbitrator decides the issue.]  Black was a liability in every department and was immediately targeted when he was on the field.  I am thankful that Savage and Amos stayed pretty healthy.  The biggest problem is that Black is not just backing up Amos and Savage; rather it is that he is the player called upon when the Packers want to go to a 3-safety look.  He is thus part of the rotation.

20: Kevin King overall played pretty well.  His PFF grade of 70.6 might surprise many.  However, that should be taken with a grain of salt.  When he was playing full time early in the season, before the Packers trusted Stokes and had acquired Rasul Douglas, his grade was lower.  It is not uncommon for a player's grade to rise when his role is limited to certain situations.  King missed 7 games altogether and was limited for others.  Those who did not like the signing were not wrong.  Of course, one could argue that the quality of his play could correlate with the state of his health rather than his role/usage.

21: Eric Stokes played early, played a lot, and played well.  Most importantly, he improved over the course of the season.  His future is bright.  Per Zach Kruse's article, Stokes and Douglas had 28 forced incompletions/interceptions in 2021, despite Douglas playing just 11 games for the Packers.  Last year, King and Sullivan as the number 2 and 3 cornerbacks forced 11 incompletions/interceptions.  Stokes and Douglas combined for a passer rating under 70 when targeted.

22: Shemar Jean-Charles played sparingly and only if necessary.  The zeroes in his column mean that he was active (he played special teams) but received no defensive snaps.  The jury is out on him.

23: Jaire Alexander got hurt in week four.  His return is greatly anticipated.

24: Isaac Yiadom played more snaps than he should have.  He was terrible and thus was limited to special teams usually.  Still, at least he could do that, so the trade of Josh Jackson for Yiadom was a net positive.

29: Rasul Douglas was signed on October 6, the week leading up to the Bengals game (week 5).  The Packers gave him that week to acclimate and started him on October 17 against the Bears (week 6).  They have been richly rewarded.  He became entrenched as the full-time starting boundary cornerback.  With the return of Jaire Alexander, the Packers now have options.  Douglas has the size and toughness to perhaps be the third safety in a 3-safety look (getting Black off the field) or as the slot cornerback.  It will be interesting to see how Joe Barry decides to juggle the pieces he has been given.

39: Chandon Sullivan gave fans much to hope for in 2019 when he played quite well in 350 snaps as Tramon Williams' backup.  Unfortunately, when he played regularly (729 and 827 snaps in 2020 and 2021) opponents found things in his game to exploit.  His PFF grade dropped from 73 in 2019 to 62 to 55 this year.  Still, I have no doubt he will be playing in the NFL in 2022.

Safeties Innis Gaines, Shawn Davis, and Vernon Scott all played special teams snaps in week 16.  Vernon Scott also played on special teams during week 18.  However, none of them played any defensive snaps.  This is Scott's second season.  Leapfrogging Henry Black should not have been a high bar.

The Packers missed 93 tackles in 2021 (5.47/game) after missing 132 in 16 games in 2020 (8.25/game).  39 fewer missed tackles can make a noticeable difference.

 

WK 6 10 12 49 81 84 85 89 27 28 32 33
1   26 74 33 9   49 26   28 25 49
2   5 95   45   43 55   29 8 69
3   0 100   27   73 40   29 0 73
4   0 100   33   78 49   40 0 62
5   0 100   20 6 59 45   33 3 69
6   0 100   25 0 63 68   42 0 59
7   0 100   20 2 68 38   23 9 73
8   0 100 19 22 0 48 42   40 0 66
9   100   40 24 2   46 2 38   63
10   0 100   34 16   57 4 49   46
11   2 98 27 46 5   29 25 75    
12   0 100 24 43 4   40 0 51   49
14 3   97 11 57 14   55 3 54   45
15   0 100   56 31   50 0 37   63
16   0 100 5 56 22   42 0 44   56
17   16 84 25 40 43   17 16 52   41
18   54 46 22 43 35   29 46 54    
Ave 3 40.2 93.4 22.9 46.2 16.4 60.1 42.8 16 42.2 8.7 58.9
PFF   36.2 90 68.1 58.6 59 54.6 78.8 79.8 87.4 55.5 82.6

6:  Kurt Benkert knelt down a couple of times in week 14 and looked very competent doing it.

10: Jordan Love played a full game in week 9, a loss to the Chiefs, knelt down a few times in two other games, and played a half in the loss to Detroit.  It should be valuable experience for Love.  I need write no more since CHTV has published multiple articles assessing Love's play and there have been plenty of comments about it.

12:  Aaron Rodgers should win the MVP award.  On average the ball game out of Rodgers' hands in 2.59 seconds, the fastest time in his career.  That helped the Packers survive the loss of Bakhtiari, Linsley, Wagner and Jenkins.

49: Dominque Dafney played in just 9 games as a role player.  But make no mistake, when healthy, he fulfilled his role quite well.  He looks like a player LaFleur and Hackett know how to use.

81: Josiah Deguara played in all 17 games.  He is a player with multi-faceted skills.  He can block on the move, run and catch.  This is essentially his rookie season since injury robbed him of most of his 2020 season.  Deguara's snap count numbers increased as the season unfolded as did his productivity.  He only had 8 receiving yards in the first 7 games, but added 238 receiving yards in the last 9 games.

84: Tyler Davis was signed off the Colts practice squad leading up to week 4.  The former 6th-round pick looks intriguing.  He appears to have the ability to play in-line.  Davis might well make some noise during the playoffs.   

85: Robert Tonyan played in 8 games before a knee injury landed him on season-ending injured reserve.  He was less productive in 2021 than he had been in 2020.  112 of his 208 receiving yards came in his last two games, so perhaps he was coming around.

89: Marcedes Lewis had another good season for the Packers.  

27: Patrick Taylor was signed from the practice squad for week 9 after Kylin Hill was placed on injured reserve.  Taylor looked like he had the makings of a complete back in the season finale.  

28: AJ Dillon looked very good all year, so good that many wondered why he did not get more snaps and carries.  Moreoever, he looked like a complete player: he was very good as a receiver, catching 34 passes out of 37 targets and looking competent in pass protection.  He still gained over 1,000 yards from scrimmage.

32: Kylin Hill looked better than his statistics and playing time would suggest.  He only played 26 offensive snaps, and gained 24 yards on the ground and 5 more as a receiver.  His playing time is to be expected on a team that has Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon.

33: Aaron Jones had another fine year.  Jones also gained over 1,000 yards from scrimmage.  He and AJ Dillon both averaged 3.18 yards after contact per carry.  The running backs forced 81 missed tackles.      

 

FESSING UP:

Time to fess up.  I was crushed when Greg Newsome was selected with the 26th pick and underwhelmed when Gute selected Eric Stokes with the 29th pick.  No, I did not want to trade up and I did not dislike Erick Stokes as a prospect.  I had Stokes as worth a pick in the early to mid-forties.  As it turns out, Mr. Stokes played very well.  PFF named Patrick Surtain and Newsome to its all-rookie team, while noting that Stokes was under consideration.  I do not understand the slight to Stokes, since his overall PFF grade was slightly higher than Surtain's.  I guess "overall grade" has a different definition for PFF than the one I ascribe to the phrase.  Not the biggest mea culpa in the world, but one I owe to Eric Stokes.

Josiah Deguara can play in the NFL.  I did not like this pick at 94.  I thought the Packers should have taken Lucas Niang, who was selected 96th.  I could taste it.  Frankly, I thought Niang had starting-level ability and that the Packers needed a swing tackle more than a move tight end or H-back.  Tackles are more valuable than H-backs.  Niang was the starter for the Chiefs when healthy (he played well in 9 starts).  Either player would have been a good pick.  This is not the biggest mea culpa in the world because I still think Niang would have been the better pick.  However, as kind of an old school purist on TEs, I did not think Deguara could block in-line and did not think he was dynamic enough to qualify as a receiving tight end.  No, my mea culpa is to LaFleur because I did not have the flexibility of mind to fully envision the utility and value of a player like Deguara in LaFleur's offense.

I was not enthusiastic about the hiring of Joe Barry.  However, I did not have a better candidate in mind after Jim Leonard apparently decided to stay with the Badgers.  At the least, I would have to say he did a very respectable job in 2021, especially given the loss of Jaire Alexander and ZaDarius Smith for most of the year.  It is true that Brian Gutekunst acquired some nice players in Rasul Douglas, DeVondre Campbell, and Whitney Mercilus.  Joe Barry came up as a linebackers coach, so I am inclined to give him some credit for the jump in quality of Campbell's play over his prior years.  He also seemed to know how to use Douglas and Mercilus.  I am not completely sold on Joe Barry so perhaps I am being premature, but since I am fessing up in general, this seemed to be a good time and place.     

I seem to be doing a fair amount of fessing up lately.  Please feel free to join me in fessing up in the comments.

 

 

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Coldworld's picture

January 14, 2022 at 11:49 pm

I can’t really argue with anything you conclude or confess. I liked Stokes, so I’m happy with what he’s brought so far. As I hoped, his length and speed have helped cover what he lacks in polish at this point.

I agree on Black. I’m a bit mystified on why Scott didn’t at least get a chance. To be honest, our ILBs and S depth beyond Campbell, Amos and Savage respectively remains scary. It’s not bad it’s awful (with Barnes being sometimes adequate). I really don’t understand why we never picked up a deep cover S to at least add to the PS, even Redmond (though I sensed some issues might exist after his NFI designation and about 5 snaps before IR).

I think the plan was to use King more in the middle and Sullivan less. I think that was derailed by injuries. I think we see more King despite Alexander returning in the playoffs, I think that will be partly from Sullivan and partly from Black. I suspect that’s an improvement.

Deguara has improved in health and confidence as the season went on. He showed more speed on his long screen pass than most expected. I don’t think he’s been used in a way that truly capitalizes on that yet. Maybe he will make a splash in the playoffs. Dafney just got healthy. Another option and core STer coming back to full fitness at the right time.

I’m still curious to see the starting OL. Assuming health and fitness. The question seems to be where does Patrick start and if at C, who is RG and possibly RT? Is Myers really as good as he’s taken for in comparison? He was not on Sunday and, as you note, not in most games before injury (no one inside was week one really).

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Lphill's picture

January 15, 2022 at 03:29 am

Kylin Hill looked promising I hope he makes it back healthy next year.

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Turophile's picture

January 15, 2022 at 04:44 am

Good summary TGR.
Of all the draft picks the Packers made in the 2021 draft, RB Kylin Hill was the one I liked most. After that, I was fine with the Myers pick at center and the WR Rodgers pick. Newman, VanLanen and McDuffie were the least liked.

With the benefit of a season, the WR Rodgers pick looks like it isn't as good as I hoped (though one season is too early to really judge a WR). Newman was not very good, as expected, but maybe he improves, he did get plenty of valuable snaps and he was on a line with backups at every other position (LT, LG, C, RT) for significant time. Van Lanen and McDuffie are still question marks, as is my favourite pick, RB Kylin Hill, who looked good in his few appearances before injury.

I thought Myers was decent as well, though he will forever be compared to Creed Humphrey (who went with the next pick), a perfect 10 RAS guy who has played really well in his rookie season. I cannot compare him to the other 'center' who had my interest, Meinerz, because he is currently playing guard in the NFL.

For 2022, I'm expecting Edge, WR, TE, with the early picks.

Edge to counter the loss of Z.Smith (and maybe P.Smith and Mercilus as well).

WR to cover the loss of Adams (not that any replacement is likely to be as good as Adams is). Very possibly there will be other WR losses as well.

TE because Lewis may retire, Sternberger didn't work out and Tonyan may not be back due to cap constraints. While I'd love a really good blocking TE to succeed Lewis, the Packers need an athletic pass catcher who can stretch the field and be a red-zone target.

After, that, the later picks can be filled with DB depth (safety and/or CB), ILB depth, return specialist, and basically anyone the Packers think will improve their special teams. They might also spend a late pick on a kicker, to provide competition for Crosby.

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Coldworld's picture

January 15, 2022 at 10:12 am

I have a feeling that Lewis’ replacement may already be on the PS: Kaufusi. Rodgers complimented him in the preseason. A former DE, he’s the same size as Lewis and we’ve quietly kept him for two years continuing his conversion to TE (started by his previous team).

Davis is intriguing, despite his drop of the TD pass from love, he’s shown an ability to block in line and as a lead blocker and mobility. He was listed at 252 and 6’4”, so he’s giving up 20 odd pounds and 2 inches to Lewis and Kaufusi, but he’s an all round TE (Tonyan is an inch taller and 12 pounds lighter and more of a move type).

He’s a former QB who converted in college then played a primarily blocking role due to team need having transferred to a big program that then changed O line philosophy. As a result he slipped under the radar somewhat despite athleticism. A 6th rounder who needed development offensively. He may in fact be in our future plans.

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PeteK's picture

January 15, 2022 at 10:19 am

A good DE could make the middle of our line dominant. Preston stays for one more year because it's not easy finding that kind of production from a rookie, especially where we'll be picking.

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dobber's picture

January 15, 2022 at 10:30 am

I keep saying (and I think TGR is laughing about this): I'd love to see a big 5-tech with great length in this defense next to Clark. An Arik Armstead or Calais Campbell or a Deforest Buckner or a Michael Brockers...and while I admit those are high-end guys and a big ask, someone a notch below that kind of ability is still a big step up from a try-hard but overmatched guy like Dean Lowry. Those guys only come in the top of the draft.

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Coldworld's picture

January 15, 2022 at 11:07 am

We will not get significantly better while Lowry is the default second lineman. Add a player who can create issues without KC next to him and be adequate in the run game and everything changes. Lowry is a rotational player.

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dobber's picture

January 15, 2022 at 10:19 am

No one really can foresee injuries, and I would expect that we would've seen significant growth in Myers through the latter parts of the season. I wonder how Myers grades out relative to Humphrey if he plays 15-17 games?

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Coldworld's picture

January 15, 2022 at 11:19 am

The first game was an abject screw up by the entire middle OL, he hurt his finger in game 2, in which he looked better. He was then less good till he got injured in game 4. There really is nothing to go on with Myers. That’s why I’m skeptical of the assumption that he’s part of our best 5 now. He looked good in camp, but he was nothing close to as impressive as our rookie RG, who found in season so much more challenging.

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NickPerry's picture

January 15, 2022 at 04:55 am

Thanks TGR...Great work.

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dobber's picture

January 15, 2022 at 07:33 am

Thanks, TGR. Always appreciate your work. It's hard to argue against the assertion that the Packers have one of the top RB rooms in the NFL. That, plus OL depth and performance, is an important building block for this team going forward regardless of the guy under center. Curious to see OL and WR numbers (and PFF grades).

I echo your sentiments on Henry Black. The inability of the Packers to find a better player for that role is a real head-scratcher...whether it's Vernon Scott's inability to be active or not finding a creative way to use a better player in that kind of role likely means the Packers are going to have to use a valuable draft pick to shore up the position going forward. It limits how thy handle Adrian Amos, too, who has been a really good player over his years in GB.

Douglas was a revelation. This team wins the division, but is likely playing an extra game this weekend if he's not on the roster. He's priced himself out of GB, and he's earned it, but having him around longer-term to support two young corners in Stokes and Alexander would be a real boost for this defense. Maybe Jean-Charles grows into a better player, maybe the Packers find another supporting player this off-season, but his shoes will be hard to fill.

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Coldworld's picture

January 15, 2022 at 10:16 am

The vastly different directions that our roster and cap can plausibly go this off season make it really hard to say anyone is or isn’t retainable. It’s quite possible that both Douglas and Campbell are back. Both fit our system and it seems it fits them well too. Now, back to enjoying the current year.

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dobber's picture

January 15, 2022 at 10:22 am

I agree--it's all about guaranteed money, because that proration tells you how small or large that 2022 cap hit would be. Maybe the Packers try to manage it with a big roster bonus or two in 2023 or 2024 that they can convert to guaranteed signing bonus money down the road when the cap opens up. I trust the front office to be able to come up with creative ways to manage those issues assuming they decide bringing those players back is a priority.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 15, 2022 at 07:45 am

Another confession should have been in the first article on DL and LBs. When the Packers signed DeVondre Campbell I checked his contracts and looked at film of him playing. The contracts showed a guy who played okay after 4 years but Atlanta let him walk. For 2020, ARI gave him a one-year, $6M deal which Atlanta didn't match. Then GB offered a one-year, $2M deal for 2021 which he accepted. That's what I call downward mobility. The film showed a tall guy with speed who got fooled in coverage way too much and overran runs and filled the wrong gaps in the running game. When he was not fooled, he could cover (he could run with TEs, etc.) and he was physical tackling. I expected very little out of him - I hoped he could be the guy playing half time next to Barnes at the Mike position. Wrong position, wrong playing time and wrong quality of play!

Either the light came on for Campbell or the coaching and/or scheme is perfect for him. He is going to be 29 in 2022, so one would expect him to try to get that last big contract.

So far, I see no confessions in the comments! We should have a "Confessions of the CHTV Staff" article. Strictly about football though - I don't want things to get creepy!

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dobber's picture

January 15, 2022 at 10:23 am

Right player, right time, right surrounding cast, right coaches...

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Leatherhead's picture

January 15, 2022 at 08:03 am

I have nothing to confess, TGR. I like our GM. I like our players. I like Turner and Patrick and Lazard and Lowry.. I don’t like the alledged fans who keep ripping them.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 15, 2022 at 08:36 am

"Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. This is my first confession. I have said and written uncomplimentary things about players and coaches on the Packers. While I have never wished any physical or mental harm to fall upon them, I have desired their expulsion from the packer family."

Ego te absolvo de peccatis tuis in nomine Patris et filii et spiritus sancti?

[Sadly, I had to google the Latin because I knew I had it wrong - I only remembered absolvo and the last part, and the last part might be more because of the Godfather scene than my 4 years of Latin and many, many more trips to the confessional. Oh well, 4 years shot to hell.]

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Leatherhead's picture

January 15, 2022 at 09:21 am

I have sinned a lot. A lot. But I don’t just take potshots at the team. I’ve accepted the fact that the professionals are infinitely more knowledgeable than me. And as a former coach, I know that the player who is on the field helps you more than the one who isn’t. Who was a better player for us this year, King or Alexander? I would argue that King helped us more.

Not every player has to be a star. You need complimentary pieces.

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dobber's picture

January 15, 2022 at 09:53 am

Championships are defined by complementary pieces rising to meet the moment.

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PatrickGB's picture

January 15, 2022 at 11:28 am

You get a thumbs up for using Latin.

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Swisch's picture

January 15, 2022 at 08:06 am

Dominique Dafney may be a factor in the playoffs.
First, there were a couple of big plays last season to like about him; then, in his one reception against the Lions he looked really impressive to me running after the catch with a combination of power and speed and agility.
Not a huge sample size, nor a detailed analysis, but a favorable impression on my part that this guy could make a surprisingly big difference in helping he Packers to success in the postseason.

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Coldworld's picture

January 15, 2022 at 10:36 am

Daffney can run with the ball, so he can run hard after the catch too. Unlike Deguara, he ran more than caught in college. Both H backs are not slow and have some wiggle not usually associated with nominal TEs. We saw that from Deguara on his long screen TD.

Regardless of what he does on O, Dafney is possibly our best ST player when healthy. That will be a big boost where one is sorely needed.

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Swisch's picture

January 15, 2022 at 02:10 pm

There was something about the way Dafney ran the ball after that one catch that stood out to me even more than the big play Deguara made on his touchdown.
It's just one play, but Dafney seemed to have some of the power of Dillon with some of the speed and agility of Jones.
To see if there is indeed something to what I saw, perhaps some kind of a screen pass to Dafney in the first half of the game would illuminate.
It's always fun to see who may step up in the playoffs as a surprise, like unknown rookie James Starks for the Packers in the 2010 run to the title. After being injured much of this season, Dafney could be that guy.

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Guam's picture

January 15, 2022 at 08:26 am

I was not enamored of the Joe Barry selection and will happily have some salt and pepper on my crow, thank you. Barry has improved the Packer defense and I don't think has gotten enough credit for his use of Campbell and Douglas. Campbell was a guy looking for a team and Douglas was on a practice squad before they arrived in Green Bay. While I might believe the "light came on" for one guy, to have two such players suddenly see the light is highly unlikely. I think it is much more likely Barry and his assistant coaches put together a scheme that allowed both players to utilize their best skills and hide their limitations, allowing both to excel. And that is not a knock on either Campbell or Douglas as both have embraced their opportunity and played the best ball of their careers, but the coaches had to have had some hand in their turnaround.

Kudos to Joe Barry for significantly exceeding my expectations.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 15, 2022 at 09:57 am

Off topic, but I thought this comment by Tip Top Nerd was excellent:

Packers vs. playoff teams
Record: 5-1
Wins: @49ers, Steelers, @Bengals, @Cardinals, Rams
Losses: @Chiefs (sans Rodgers)

Buccaneers vs. playoff teams
Record: 4-1
Wins: Cowboys, @Patriots, @Eagles, @Bills
Losses: @Rams

Cowboys vs. playoff teams
Record: 3-4
Wins: Eagles, @Patriots, @Eagles
Losses: @Buccaneers, @Chiefs, Raiders, Cardinals

Rams vs. playoff teams
Record: 2-5
Wins: Buccaneers, @Cardinals
Losses: Cardinals, Titans, @49ers, @Packers, 49ers

Cardinals vs. playoff teams
Record: 5-2
Wins: @Titans, @Rams, 49ers, @49ers, @Cowboys
Losses: Packers, Rams

49ers vs. playoff teams
Record: 4-4
Wins: @Eagles, Rams, @Bengals, @Rams
Losses: Packers, @Cardinals, Cardinals, @Titans

Eagles vs. playoff teams
Record: 0-6
Wins:
Losses: 49ers, @Cowboys, Chiefs, Buccaneers, @Raiders, Cowboys

I think it is interesting that Dallas' 3 playoff wins have come against the two weakest playoff teams (Philly x 2 and NE). The NE game was in week 6. NE entered that game with a record of 2-3. NE righted the ship later. Dallas needed a field goal late in the fourth quarter to tie and a then overtime to win. Hmmmmmm

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Coldworld's picture

January 15, 2022 at 10:21 am

It’s not what one does in October that matters it’s what one does in the playoffs. Rosters change, players evolve, pressure mounts and weather declines. One of the best illustrations of that was our last Super Bowl team.

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dobber's picture

January 15, 2022 at 10:14 am

Confessions? Almost all belong on the next (OL and WR) article, but I confess to being wrong about Nijman and Patrick. Nijman's emergence not only saved the season (I can't imagine this team being very good after the loss of Jenkins if Nijman is what you'd expect out of a 3rd LT), but has opened the door to a huge range of possibilities in OL roster management going forward. His languishing at the bottom of the roster in 2020 and never playing--even when there were injuries--really had me wondering. Now, the Packers are doing that same thing with Jake Hanson--is he the next Lucas Patrick? Someone with potential that's learning, adding strength and weight, and eventually being that next game-day C-G who can give you quality snaps?

Speaking of Patrick--there were a few cap dollars to be gained there or potentially a late-round draft pick in trade--but they held on even though he was outplayed by Newman early on. Without him, Hanson's playing C with Myers' injury and playing a lot this season. With Myers back, moving him (Patrick) back to RG is probably less an indictment of Newman (because the OL was good with Newman at RG) and more a statement of Stenavich and LaFleur saying he gives them the best 5 OL on the field. Patrick will probably earn himself a low-end starter contract somewhere in 2022, and he's earned it. I'll gladly eat crow in both of these cases.

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Coldworld's picture

January 15, 2022 at 10:28 am

I think low end is pretty uncharitable. Patrick has proved he’s a starting level G and C. He’s not going to get elite money, but he’d be an upgrade on many teams around the league. I think he will attract decent money and rightly.

I wonder if Kelly will too, based upon his performances. He held up extremely well, much better than I had expected. It’s almost as if we knew he’d struggle physically early and got him cheap because we believed he’d be ready later. Could not understand why he signed so cheaply and why we kept him after his performances in camp.

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dobber's picture

January 15, 2022 at 10:36 am

"I think low end is pretty uncharitable."

Maybe still my old thoughts on Patrick coming through, but more contract means better comp picks--not just for Patrick, but for Kelly and all these guys that the Packers will--out of necessity--let walk. Bring it on!

Keeping Kelly and Patrick out of camp has turned out to be prescient on the part of management.

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Coldworld's picture

January 15, 2022 at 11:21 am

Depending on how things work out, we could be bitten by the cap on the number of comp picks at 4 per team per year. That could mean more active trading perhaps even to add prospect players and not only picks? It could be that we have to be inventive.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 16, 2022 at 01:57 am

Lucas Patrick will turn 29 next July. I could see him getting 4 years (he's just young enough) and $14M to $16M. OTC lists him as a LG, but obviously he can play OC and RG.

I don't know whether he should be one of my confessions. I did float the notion of trading him before the season started, but that was because I thought GB could get a better draft pick than one might have thought, and really it was not my first option with him - for that price might as well keep him. I think IIRC that I was trying to make signing another guy feasible, probably a DL. I thought about a 4th, or a good 5th (given his $1.5M salary also would have been attractive). It turned out that GB needed him.

Per OTC, GB would need Patrick to get north of $3.5M (2021 numbers which should be adjusted for cap inflation for 2022) to get a 6th round comp pick. GB would need him to get $6.8M to get a 5th. I'd guess GB gets a late 6th round comp pick.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 16, 2022 at 09:13 am

I would try to keep as many proven blockers as I could, including Patrick.

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stockholder's picture

January 18, 2022 at 05:31 pm

You are right! Bahk LT, Ronyan LG, Patrick C, Taylor RG, Kelly RT . Patrick has earned the Center Start. I'd keep Taylor next to him. START THE VETS!

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Avrumi's picture

January 18, 2022 at 03:04 pm

𝐈 𝐠𝐞𝐭 𝐩𝐚𝐢𝐝 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐧 $𝟏𝟒𝟎 𝐭𝐨 $𝟒𝟓𝟎 𝐩𝐞𝐫 𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐞. 𝐈 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐝 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐣𝐨𝐛 𝟑 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐡𝐬 𝐚𝐠𝐨 𝐢𝐢𝐥 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐣𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐈 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐢𝐥𝐲 $𝟐𝟒𝟔𝟓𝟐 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐬𝐤𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐬 .

𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐲 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐢𝐭 𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐇𝐄𝐑𝐄,,..,,... 𝘄𝘄𝘄.𝗟𝗶𝘃𝗲𝗝𝗼𝗯𝟮𝟰𝟳.𝗰𝗼𝗺

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