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Packers Can Easily Be Super Bowl Contenders in 2018

Right now, I know it feels like we are on the verge of Armageddon. But trust me, if just a few things go right this offseason, the Packers could be playing again on Championship Sunday in 2019.

That seems like a long ways away. But think back, just one year ago, the Packers were playing the Falcons for a berth in the Super Bowl. That game was a miserable failure.

Green Bay tried to revamp its defense and through five games and 4-1 record, it looked to be going alright. The defense wasn’t dominating, but it was faster and more importantly, the Packers were winning.

However, it all came crashing down in Minnesota. As Anthony Barr drove Rodgers into the ground, the Packers’ title hopes evaporated. Unlike the Vikings, who struck gold with their backup Case Keenum, Brett Hundley didn’t play as the Packers expected and it ruined the season.

The defense was an issue and certainly didn’t help. But does anyone believe that the Packers miss the playoffs with a healthy Rodgers? If so, then they need their head examined.

I believe the Packers make the playoffs and have a good shot at winning the NFC North. The Super Bowl would probably be a stretch, although the NFC title games is a battle of backup quarterbacks.

The point is, the Packers aren’t that far off. They aren’t as bad as that 7-9 record shows. With Rodgers, they would have won at least one game against the Vikings. Believe that. They also would have probably beaten the Steelers and Ravens, not to mention the Lions both times. At least at home.

Just using that logic, that’s 11-12 wins. This team doesn’t need to make dramatic changes to get 10 wins. Rodgers is good enough to cover that if he stays healthy. It needs a makeover to win a Super Bowl, plain and simple.

Minnesota looks great now, but remember how Rodgers put 38 on basically the same defense at Lambeau Field December 2017. Neither Minnesota or Philly finished with a winning record in 2016, which shows just how fast a turnaround can be.

Both of those teams drafted smart and signed some talented players, they also got lucky. The Vikings didn’t know Keenum was going to play like a Pro Bowler. The Eagles didn’t know their mishmash secondary was going to excel, not to the level it has anyways.

It seemed for whatever reason, the Packers luck with Ted Thompson ran out. Although he did add some solid players in recent seasons such as Kenny Clark, Blake Martinez, Dean Lowry, Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones, Kyle Murphy, Kevin King and Trevor Davis.

The jury is still out on Montravius Adams, Josh Jones and Vince Biegel.Kyrell Fackrell too. But the cupboard isn’t bare for new GM Brian Gutekunst.

He takes the reigns with the best player in the NFL and an offense, that with no changes, could be one of the best in the league. Say the Packers played next season with their current receivers and started Kyle Murphy at guard over Jahri Evans. They would be pretty good. Maybe not Super Bowl good, but good.

If Bryan Bulaga can come back on the offensive that will be a huge help. But Murphy and Justin McCray are two guys that should be given a chance to start at guard. At the very least, Murphy is a reliable swing tackle.

With Rodgers, both Nelson and Cobb will be much better. Maybe even worth $10 million. That’s not to say the Packers don’t need to upgrade, they do. Just that with Rodgers, the current talent looks a lot better.

What Green Bay needs are impact players. The guys that can take over games. They used to have more than they do now. They need a couple on defense and probably another on offense. The Packers also need more depth, because it’s obvious, this team can’t stay healthy.

Most of all though, the Packers need a little luck. The Vikings got Everson Griffen in the fourth, Danielle Hunter in the third, Stefon Diggs in the fifth and Adam Thielen undrafted. They found Keenum because they were willing to sign a veteran quarterback and found lighting in a bottle.

The Packers haven’t taken many of those risks, especially in free agency. Now they need to. And the other thing, is they need to get lucky in the draft. Yes, they need to hit on some early picks, but they also need a little luck along the way.

Good fortune goes a long way in the NFL and with just a little bit, the Packers could find themselves contending for the Super Bowl again in 2018.

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Chris is a sports journalist from Montana and has been blogging about the Packers since 2011. Chris has been a staff writer for CheeseheadTV since 2017 and looks forward to the day when Aaron Rodgers wins his second Super Bowl. Follow him @thepackersguru

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4thand1's picture

You see turn arounds every year in football. Rodgers stays healthy, playoffs, simple. I've always said we needed a couple more impact players to go deep.We will be in the playoffs again, this year.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

You're freaking dreaming stop drinking the Kool-Aid this team will never get any place with people like you

dobber's picture

That's true: If I were the playing anywhere on this team, they'd be shot and I'd be in intensive care.

You post so much but say so little...

The TKstinator's picture

“this team will never get anywhere with people like you”
He’s not on the team.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Why does there always have to be at least one of you around here? Just go away.

GVPacker's picture

Doug N has a great job! He works for the Minnesota Vikings . His job responsibilities are very minimal yet tedious and demanding especially for someone who is clinically braindead. One of the key perks of his gig is an enormous amount of free time! You see Doug is in charge of keeping the Vikings Super Bowl Championship Lombardi Trophy's clean and polished to a high sheen! Hence the copious moronic comments on this webpage!

Nick Perry's picture

This dude Doug is either Cow on steroids or his even eviler twin brother!

jeremyjjbrown's picture

You mispelt "meth"...

dobber's picture

I might need to print and frame this comment thread, just to preserve this particular response.

GBPDAN1's picture

I agree. And I'm more positive that the Packers can be in the Super Bowl mix next year because TT is not GM and DC is gone. That may sound harsh, but, it needed to happen IMO.

Nick Perry's picture

Why did GBPDAN1 get the dislikes for this post. My God 90% of the people who post here were doing back-flips it seemed when Capers was fired and Thompson was FINALLY relieved of his duties. His post is right on the money.

We all know with 100% certainly Thompson wouldn't have done enough. I mean how do people thing the Packers got here in the first place. The slowest WR position group in the NFL and it's been this way since 2015. He finally got a TE for the Packers for ONE season and then let him walk. The man is KNOWN for doing DIDDLY for years at a time!!! Remember the Safety position and how long that took? How about TE and even RB though he did try with Green (Barf).

Just look at McCarthy being allowed to keep Capers for so long. A GM worth a damn would have told McCarthy to years ago Capers is done, get rid of him but that didn't happen. Just playoff loss after loss of being embarrassed.

Gutekunst has work to do, lots of work but it's not impossible to tun the Packers around in a year. I mean look at this season with all the new Playoff teams. The Saints, Vikings, Eagles, Jags, Rams, Panthers and Bills were all new this season and 3 of them are playing on Championship weekend! As long as this new "Arrangement" in the Front Office doesn't get in his way (Especially Ball) I have a good feeling Gutekunst can turn it around in a year.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

If this team can be in the NFC Championship Game the last year's roster and defense they can definitely reload and get to the SuperBowl next season. Their chances will be no worse than the Vikings or Jags chances this season. To say otherwise is nonsense.

rdent's picture

Nick, I believe it was RC, Bearmeat and myself were discussing the disliker amongst us. Bear meat referred to him as "salty" so I marked that person " The salty downvoter." The salty downvoter strikes again! Lol.

dobber's picture

It's always that last person you'd expect...like the guy who runs the haunted amusement park on Scooby Doo.

The TKstinator's picture

And if it hadn’t been for those meddling kids...

dobber's picture

He woulda gotten away with it...

The TKstinator's picture

Same page, amigo.

Nick Perry's picture

LOL...They do seem to be "Salty" that's for sure.

GBPDAN1's picture

Thanks, Nick Perry. All I'm saying is I just felt like it was business as usual with TT and DC. Einstein quoted: "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result"

We need a different result....AR, the Packers and all of us, should have another SB!

marpag1's picture

Sorry, but that's a crock. As of right now SIX people out of 21 have downvoted the comment. Just a hunch, but I'm guessing that they downvoted it because they disagree with what is written. Personally, that does not annoy me in the least... not even one tiny bit. But I do find it a bit annoying when people go on rants about "WHO ARE THESE DOWNVOTING PEOPLE AND HOW COULD ANYONE POSSIBLY HAVE AN OPINION THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN MINE??"

**eyeroll**

dobber's picture

I'll downvote for a poorly articulated argument, sometimes, whether I agree with it or not.

Ex. The Packers should switch to a 4-3...because the 3-4 sucks!! ( = nearly automatic downvote)

I'll also upvote comments that maybe I don't agree with that are well-stated and supported.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Ah, nice to realize that you've only given me upvotes, Dobber.

I couldn't agree more with Marpag. I know if I write something bad or even luke warm about a packer player or coach, I'll get downvotes. There are just folks on this site that don't tolerate criticism of GB. So be it. Case in point I posted a link to rankings of starting slot receivers. Cobb came in 16th of 32, and I noted that is about where he belongs. Knew I get downvoted.

WKUPackFan's picture

That's not what marpag said. He didn't mention anything about "kool-aid drinkers" automatically downvoting any well-stated critical comments.

Your Cobb comment could have been downvoted for any number of reasons. For example, perhaps a downvoter doubted the statistical source or the method used. It's just like the debate going in the comments currently regarding rating defenses by yards allowed or points allowed.

Claiming a downvote is a result of "kool-aid drinkers" is backdoor way of trying to legitimize your own comment.

carlos's picture

Ok- get ready to laugh, but I can comment when using my phone, but I can’t seem to give a thumbs up or down. Curious to what I’m doing wrong.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

OMG!!!!
STOP WITH THE MADNESS !!!!

Chris Peterson's picture

So if Rodgers had played 16 games how many do you think they win? If they get a stud at 14, add some depth via free agency, find a couple more contributors in the draft, they have as good a chance as any team in the NFC. A healthy Rodgers could be either team playing this weekend. Not saying the Packers would but they could. Look at the Saints, their def was horrible for years. A couple good rookies and suddenly back in the playoffs. That's what the Packers need. They still have more talent than most of the teams in the NFL.

dobber's picture

If you look at the games they played with Hundley at the helm, they gave away several winnable ones. Baltimore, (both) Detroit, the Minnesota games, even New Orleans...those teams never had to do anything remarkable on offense to beat the Packers. So the pressure of having to beat an ARod-led offense would make a difference in how teams game-planned for the Packers and how game-flow ultimately changed. But at least 4 more wins were possible...if at least one came against the Vikes, the division becomes much more cloudy.

That said: the Vikes, at home, against an OK but not great defense should've been beaten. Their offense struggled. What are they going to do against Philly? The only team they beat with a decent defense on the road this season was Atlanta. Losses to Carolina and Pittsburgh, and almost to Chicago. I think they'll struggle today.

"The Super Bowl would probably be a stretch, although the NFC title games is a battle of backup quarterbacks."

...on teams that have beaten 'elite' level QBs to get there. My observation is that it doesn't take a complete team to get to this level, it takes a hot 'unit'...whether it's offense or defense.

RobinsonDavis's picture

This is way i see it too... Good synopsis, Dobber!

croatpackfan's picture

Well Viking scored 1 TD against Philly and allowed 38 points to Nick Foles lead offense...

Now, we know the answer...

I thought result will be closer. So, I predict less difference, but Philly confortable win...

jeremyjjbrown's picture

It's not a good idea for the author to feed the troll. It's like Super Food.

dobber's picture

boop <withdrawn>

Spud Rapids's picture

Everyone stop indulging this troll, he is just trying to get a rise out of everyone.

stockholder's picture

Take over players. Love that! But the packers don't draft High enough to get them. You'll get back ups. Players that need to develop. Buluga, the speed is gone. Experts are saying a Ot must be drafted first. Perry and Mathews must play beyond expectations. As these guys get older they'll need oxygen. You need a better TE. Free Agency is the only answer here. While I'm sure will see improvement. The packers are aging. The first priority might be BPA.

rdent's picture

With 12 draft picks I am hoping Gutekunst does a lot of wheeling and dealing to move up in the draft as much as possible. I don't see GB bringing in 12 new players plus UDFA's. Although gems can be found in late rounds I believe Gute would be better off using the glut of draft picks to try to move up to get better quality players.

dobber's picture

I think they need to be judicious on how they make moves, though. A 5th round pick isn't a throwaway pick. You can still find quality players in the 5th round. Still, they shouldn't let that stop them from going to get a player that they feel makes them a stronger team right now.

stockholder's picture

The cost is to great. I think you guys need to look at a trade chart first. People we have new holes to fill. It's all about better depth! (Burnett! Rodgers/Bennett? Brooks, maybe House etc. ) 1. People want a pass rusher. Any guy that can't run 4.6 is going to be a bust. They'll be gone by #14. Are you watching the Eagles.? Speed and Power. Look at the muscles! After watching Foles arm strength. Hundley needs to go! When wolf came to GB. The way to build a team was Cbs and Ots. Well Buluga is done. Move on. You can't keep dumping players and not have something to replace them with. TT went cheap. Sign a TE before you trade anything. The eagles offense is to fast for the Vikings. You can't give away picks when it looks like we need to rebuild first.

dobber's picture

"People want a pass rusher. Any guy that can't run 4.6 is going to be a bust. They'll be gone by #14. Are you watching the Eagles.?"

I was...and I was watching Derek Barnett, who they took at #14 in the 2017 draft, who played as a rookie on a good defensive front, got 5 sacks on the season (and one last night), and made some important plays in that game last night.

Oh...he ran a 4.88 at the combine.

Speed is good, but there's more to football than just running fast.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

If rosters were decided by measurables, our starters at WR would be Janis, Davis, some guy whose name I've forgotten who was on the PS, and, hm, maybe Kevin Dorsey? That would work out well.

RobinsonDavis's picture

I see 5 or 6 needs NOW, that are not normally accommodated by lower draft picks. Thus, we need to be active in F/A and go where the draft is strong with our picks...that being O-line, D-line, and DB, and see what is available Free Agency with TEs & perhaps OLBs.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Alvin Kamara was the 67th pick. Just 6 behind Josh Jones. So, 3rd pick in round 3. I do agree with your last paragraph. The arguments about Price, Ringo, Jayrone Elliott, Rolle, don't matter. These guys are marginal at best. The only reason we argue about so many of them and GB carries so many is that none of them have clearly distinguished themselves as actually belonging in the NFL.

Turophile's picture

We are a very long way away, from armageddon.

About 70% of the Packers doing well comes down to health. If the Packers don't get too many injuries at one position group, and can keep their key guys mostly healthy, they have a good chance.

Beyond the importance of health, the rest is down to getting drafting decisions right, solid vet FA acquisitions to fill any remaining holes, good teaching, and solid gameplans. If they do a good job doing this, they go from good, to a great chance.

How well the draft and FA pans out is anybodies guess, but I do have high hopes of the coaching staff. I like pretty much every hire, From Philbin and (especially) Pettine, as well as Graham and Emanuel (if hired).

I was also pleased to see the log jam at the upper end of the executive tree thinned out. the Packers promoted Gutekunst and lost Wolf and Highsmith, but with their departure/promotion, it freed up several posts, alowing others further down the tree to be moved up within the organisation. It's good to see guys moving up.........you just hope they have (or are getting to) the same level of talent evaluation to replace what was lost.

Chris Peterson's picture

What I meant by armageddon was the Vikings winning the super bowl. It certainly would feel like it to me. #FLYEaglesFly

Spud Rapids's picture

well looks like we don't have to worry about that happening anytime soon

Chris Peterson's picture

What I meant by armageddon was the Vikings winning the super bowl. It certainly would feel like it to me. #FLYEaglesFly

Nick Perry's picture

Me Too Chris, "Armageddon" summed it up just fine. That would be the final stake in the coffin of what's been the worst season I can remember in a long, LONG time. The best part about being a rival of the Vikings is they've NEVER WON A THING!

I don't want the Vikings in the SB and I'd prefer they are EMBARRASSED today by Nick Foles and are watching 2 other teams play in THEIR stadium in 2 weeks.

Chris Peterson's picture

Me too. Big Eagles fan today. Really disappointed the Saints blew last week. They had the damn game won. Blame it on one stupid play and poor Coaching. I think the Vikes win today as much as I don't want them too.

Turophile's picture

Ah, there is the difference. The only time I hate the Vikings is when the Packers are playing them, or when they are stupid (like the loveboat scandal).

Now the Pack are out of the playoffs, it wouldn't vex me if the Vikes win. I'd probably be more upset if the Cowboys, Seahawks or Pats were win, than the Vikes (and the Pats still can).

The TKstinator's picture

Vex!!!

dobber's picture

I'm ashamed to admit this, but I ended up pulling for the Pats today because I didn't think the Jags had a snowball's chance in hell of winning at Minnesota in two weeks.

...and I know I can't root for Minnesota in the SB. Especially not one played in the TwinCities.

Bearmeat's picture

No no no no no.

Jags had a legit shot. They blew it. And that defense could have kept MIN to a goose egg or pretty close.

dobber's picture

I have no faith in Blake Bortles and that offense.

They'd find a way to lose 3-2....in 14 innings.

croatpackfan's picture

Shame on you. You did not believe in Nick... And he put 38 points on the board!

4thand1's picture

This is typical of QB getting to much/credit blame. Turning point was the pick 6. D-line and o-line dominated for Philly. Play calling excellent , Peterson is looking like a genius, ex Packer.

Pack88's picture

Chris, I agree that the young talent cupboard is not bare in Packer Land but I think the following is critical if Packer fans are to get our wish and win the SB next year:

1) Either the RT or TE must have a stable fix. I love Bulaga and his selection in 2010 helped propel GB to SB 45 but I fear injuries have robbed him of his skills. He was still very good in 17 and if his recovery appears on track - then a quality TE would suffice because all of the help blocking removes weapons from the passing game! A TE who can run the seam and deep middle would make Lane Taylor a option at WR as it would force the MLB and FS away from the LOS.

2) Real speed- route running at WR. I have already written I would to see Terrell Pryor on a prove it deal. Two years ago he appeared to be a gold star reclamation in Cleveland- last year he looked lost. I think his speed is way to enticing to pass on.

3) Fit the defense to what you have on the shelf. No one can predict injuries but the last two seasons have found GB playing the oddest confluence on no press man no cover zone defense I have seen outside of HS. I assume more draft capitol will be expended on the defense to juice the pass rush but I think even more importantly is finding 11 guys who consistently know WTF they are supposed to do. Every team busts coverages but it seemed every drive somebody was out of position on a critical 3rd and long or 4th down that surrendered a long completion!

Handsback's picture

I don't think the Packers need a total makeover, but they do need new players and older player to step-up.
1) Pack88 is correct in that the TE or RT need a stable fix. I would go further and say they both have to be fixed. TE can be done in FA and with the guys they have on the roster. RT isn't that easy. Bulaga and Spriggs won't be available until after TC, if I'm not mistaken. Murphy played well, but can he be the year long starter? Can he stay healthy? Who's next if he goes out? So it seems another OT needs to be grabbed in FA for an insurance policy.
2) WR will need a minor makeover IMHO. Another wideout with speed or exceptional body control who can come in and be a #3WR is needed. Cobb or Allison can play a part and with AR back both can/will make impacts....however the injury list always seems to rob the Pack of one or two of their wideouts so get another#3 WR in FA. (Rookies seem to take a few years to make the jump to #3 or #2 unless they are exceptional like JJ from Atlanta or Moss from the Vikings)
3) Need another starting CB, is King going to be the guy? If so, the draft will bring in another guy that probably can contribute. Biggest need on defense is the pass rusher. I don't see one in FA that the Pack can afford so many of the Pack's picks will have DE/OLBs behind their names. Can this defense win the big games? Biggest question of the off-season. I think they can if the 1-2nd year players make another jump and they keep the mental mistakes to a minimum.

So adding three maybe four new Free Agents of the 2nd/3rd tier guys , further improvments in the 1-2nd year players, and playing defense w/o that many stupid mistakes yeah the Packers can get and win the SB.

johnnyd17's picture

if if if , at this point in NFL history, is easier to predict the 6 to10 teams then wont have a chance next season, of course Packers have a shot, mainly when defense improves (possible) into a top 10 unit

Tarynfor12's picture

Rodgers makes the articles contention that contending for the SB is easy every year and has as recently witnessed without doubt, covered much of the horror that is a fail of prior teams since 2011 less the offense that season.

The Packers, a Rodgers based team, has been fortunate of the poor Divisional play during those seasons, as some claim of the Patriots, but has been taken to task by the teams that were and played better often, unlike the Patriots as would be denied by those of the former belief.

The use of the word 'easily ' actually means Rodgers can keep us in SB contention, as long as one dismisses what becomes uncovered every playoff venture and makes true another failed venture...though argued by some as success.

This articles heading is exactly what has been wrong and what has filled the glasses of kool-aid drinkers...the Packers are simply better contenders than 20 other teams but certainly aren't and haven't been the better contenders in the contest when the field is narrowed to the final 12, where the entrants are more rounded than one sided as the Packers.

Some will say how we lost in the NFCCG but they won't talk/acknowledge that Rodgers was the only reason for getting that far and was via more failure of the opponent than the ability of the Packers as a whole.

A healthy Rodgers will likely make us a contender again to be included in that magical number of 12 but the likelyhood of being the last team standing was witnessed why more apt not to be when he was lost.

The needed change has occurred, we hope, but has that change alone quantify the word 'easy ', will this new regimes first draft and FA market justify it's use of 'easy ' also...possible...plausible...but not easy.

I'm not one for kool-ad of any kind but I'll raise a fantasy glass to toast those who revel in it in hoping it is actually 'easy ' and comes to fruition this season as the time to do so in reality tick's away.

GOPACKGO...easy or not but GET THERE!!!!

Coldworld's picture

Easy no, definitely. We need better and more experienced depth. We need a good (in 2108) new speedy receiver, OLB(s). We need a coherent defense and a more innovative offense at a minimum.

I do think there is a chance if Gutekunst is what we hope, Philbin what he was and Pettine what he has been for others.

For me, it’s not about getting to the playoffs, it is about being a team capable of winning it all without relying on offensive meltdowns or miracle last second Rodgers magic.

dobber's picture

"...t is about being a team capable of winning it all without relying on offensive meltdowns or miracle last second Rodgers magic."

But that's all part of football, and the better the teams are and the more evenly matched, the more those bounces and magical plays can tilt the field. The Packers have had plenty go against them, too, and we still bitch about a lot of them. Embrace the ones that work in your favor.

I think, if you look at the resume of most SuperBowl winners, many will have had that miracle moment go that way at some point in their seasons.

Coldworld's picture

I agree, a miracle moment is part of the fun, just not something one should have to rely on every game.

MarkAlan's picture

The Packers will never fulfill their potential as long as MM is there, his talent evaluation will never get the most out of the team

Bedrock's picture

Is there any data to back up this claim?

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Yeah 1 super bowl win and over 12 years with the Packere.

Bedrock's picture

But there’s no way of proving any other...saying it louder...ANY OTHER coach, including The Hoodie, could have done better with any of those teams during those seasons. It’s speculation.

Spud Rapids's picture

"his talent evaluation will never get the most out of the team"

you know these are two completely separate things right? Talent evaluation and maximizing return on said talent?

Spud Rapids's picture

"his talent evaluation will never get the most out of the team"

you know these are two completely separate things right? Talent evaluation and maximizing return on said talent?

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

They are separate but intertwined functions. While they do both, coaches do talent evaluation all the time. This coaching staff decided that Reggie Gilbert should be inactive until the games didn't mean anything. They decided that Spriggs should play instead of McCray. They decided that Williams should receive more snaps than Aaron Jones. They decided that Randall and Hyde should get more snaps than Hayward.

Coldworld's picture

To me the big change is that I have hope that we will have a defense that I no longer expect to give up big plays everywhere and not know what their assignments are.

Lphill's picture

It's true as far as being a contender , just improve the defense enough to force some 3 and outs and feed the ball back to Rodgers that's not much of a challenge , the Packers don't need the number 1 defense to win it all but a defense in maybe the top 12 , let the offense do the rest , we have 2 maybe 3 promising running backs for next season , bring in a solid tight end and the offense should be fine. This is not a rebuild like a lot of other teams rather finally a re load much like the Pats do every year.

rdent's picture

"They aren't as bad as that 7-9 record shows." Sorry Chris, yes they are. This has been exposed twice in the last 4 years, how can it be more obvious that AR has carried this team, without him they are a 7-9 ,8-8 team at best, GB needs to seriously upgrade that roster. I have grown weary of the "as long as we have AR everything will be fine" mantra. Say for the sake of argument Rodgers(God forbid) gets injured again this season,will GB have a roster that has improved enough to compensate( EG: Minnesota)? Lets hope we don't find out.

Coldworld's picture

If Rodgers misses less time they aren’t that bad, but in the end the difference means nothing. They are still not good enough to beat the best teams without a whole load of luck.

Getting to the playoffs must no longer be seen as success. I firmly believe that Thompson/Ball had decided it was and that produced our current Roster.

As much as it is players, however, it is a change of approach to depth, to how we play defense and a reinvigoration of our offense, which has become very predictable.

Some blame McCarthy, but I am hopeful that he has seen the light by changing both Coordinators, just as I hope the organization saw the light over where Thompson was steering the roster.

All in all, if it takes two years, so be it, but we were going nowhere fast. Now we will see if the changes are real and ambition and ingenuity are back in both the front office and on the field. Without that we will be in full strip down mode. It is exciting, but risk is inherent in such circumstances. All I can say is that I think the status quo of the last few years is likely gone. I look forward to the ride.

dobber's picture

To quote the Parcells: "you are what your record says you are."

Gforcetrivers's picture

Hope you are right. This no Post Season stuff...sucks

nostradanus's picture

Whoa! Slow down there Chris, while I appreciate the optimism, remember the Packers were broken.
They have a new GM, new front office structure, almost a complete new coaching staff, aging veterans with big contracts, under-achieving veterans such as Clinton Dix and Nick Perry and a Quarterback coming back from major injury at 34-35 years of age. That's a lot
This Packers team needs help at every position group and the fact that the Vikings are very much for real and are not going away anytime soon.

Here is my armchair GM solution to getting back into contention.

*QB - Sign veteran back up, Hundley is a disaster
*RB - Draft another dynamic runner mid-rounds.
Ty Montgomery then becomes a jack of all trades guy in slot - screen -RB -KR guy.
*TE - Sign good blocking veteran TE who can also act as a safety valve pass catcher, draft a promising speed TE high
*WR - Re-structure both Cobb & Nelson, draft a speed guy high. If Cobb & Nelson don't take less $$ one must go
*OL - Draft several, sign another vet like Evans, got to protect the franchise. Re-structure Bulaga to an incentive laden contract based on playing time

*DL - draft another and develop him, need those fat boys
*OLB-pass rush is KEY, spend some $$$ on the best pass rusher available and get one high in the draft and take a flyer on another developmental guy mid-late in draft
*ILB - could use some speed in there for coverage, find one in the mid-rounds of draft
*CB - Need another bookend across from King, draft one high, keep Randall in the Star, sign a vet who knows Pettine's system to help out the youngsters
*S - The Pack has some promising depth here but again sign a vet who know Pettine's system as Clinton Dix doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the cornerback shed, switch Rollins to Safety

There, all fixed, playoff's yes, Super Bowl probably not but who knows?

dobber's picture

How many high picks do the Packers have?

nostradanus's picture

High is relative to how good of a drafter "Gute" is:

1-3 are high choices and the Packers I believe are getting and extra 3rd rounder. Even fourth is high if you consider they got guys like TJ Lang, Jamall Williams, Josh Sitten and Mike Daniels in this round.

RobinsonDavis's picture

I don't think he was talking top picks for all, Dobber. But, regarding the needs, he nails all but one, IMO! Surely, It's going to take good evaluation, stepped-up play, health, and some luck to fill all these needs, but they are all needs.

Yet, I do think the core of Chris' article is correct. We have talent. Left out of the article is hope that the new coordinators will bring schemes that are more diverse and explosive. GO PACK!

Dzehren's picture

Correct. He must be proposing 3 year plan.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Rogers will be 37 or 38 years old.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Rogers will be 37 or 38 years old.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Great plan guys. . We have to draft a QB next year!! Takes 2 to 4 years to develop a QB.

The TKstinator's picture

I feel like the audience after Billy Madison’s speech.

4thand1's picture

This is the year so many people have been asking for. Rodgers injury was the silver lining that brought change. Change is necessary for growth, it's like making half time adjustments, which never seem to happen. A Capers lead defense never kept up with game changes, they had a hard enough time trying to figure out the original game plan. How many times have we watched a 4th quarter lead slip away ,only hoping there was enough time left on the clock for AR to pull off a last second win. So many times MM would take his foot off the gas only to let the defense let a lead evaporate. MM is in the hot seat now, how will he handle it? Hopefully we get at least 3 good starters in the draft. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a big FA signing.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Playoffs playoffs playoffs playoffs playoffs?

dobber's picture

Donuts donuts donuts donuts donuts!

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Nuts nuts nuts nuts nuts your all nuts

dobber's picture

...You're...

The TKstinator's picture

I know!
Why is that so hard?
Also there/their/they’re

And a fun one lately:
“GB needs to draft several offensive LINEMAN”

English?
Grunts?
Clicks?

Chuck Farley's picture

No sorry losers. This team is adumpster fire that Rogers can't Save. If the are third In the NFC north i would not be shocked.
There are zero playmakers on this team

Ustabeayooper's picture

In The NFC, there are 12 or 13 teams fighting for 6 playoff spots. As Bud Grant famously stated "It's not who you play but when you play them." No one thought that GB would lose 9 games this year but because of AR injury, teams got a tremendous break. You cannot foretell injuries. That being said this year will be an excellent opportunity to add to our team. There's a record number of underclass men coming into the draft and with 11 or 12 picks GB has sufficient draft capital to allow for flexibility in drafting players. Every team in the NFC that won their division this year finished third in the division in 2016. A solid draft, new coaches, and FA additions will put GB right back in the mix.

Bearmeat's picture

Yes, they absolutely can be super bowl contenders next year. I expect a division title and a divisional round playoff berth. With ARod in the picture, I am fairly sure that would have been the case this year - and will be every year until he's done. QB is that important, and he's that good.

But getting over the hump and winning it all? That's going to take a pass rush, better coverage and a 2nd playmaker on offense - this one with speed for the position - either at WR opposite Adams or at TE.

They have to take a gamble or two in free agency that have to pay off AND they need immediate contributions from at least 2 players in the draft class.

That's happened before to many teams - 2010 for us was the last time.

Anything less than a final 8 finish will be a disappointment. Those last 3 games - NFC DG, NFC CG and Super Bowl. That's where the rubber meets the road.

John Kirk's picture

We've been contenders for a quarter century. A healthy 12 is enough to make us contenders.

SuperBowls aren't the priority for Murphy. What is is being competitive, IE: contenders.

Now, Murphy, the guy not about SuperBowls has given himself de facto owner power and he wants to meddle in football affairs?

As unpopular as this sounds, the best thing that could happen outside of this bringing us a SB, is for this coming season to go worse than last year. The move was sold as being about SBs. If we don't get there, which I believe matters little to our CEO, the best thing would be to show his meddling made things worse and we need and get a change at the top. My biggest fear, and it's real, is this team goes right back to making the playoffs and gets ousted. That's a movie we've seen 7 out of the last 9 years. Our lead actor is getting older and can't play the role like he has every single year. The supporting cast needs a huge upgrade or we're not getting the satisfying ending a movie led by 12 that we all expected after 2010.

A would be dynasty to a one and done. What good is contending if you never actually win it all? I understand you have to qualify for the post season to get the ring, but the goal can't be set and accepted as just being there.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Yeah...yeah .. Packers like the playoffs. . Then its 1 or 2 out....

VIKINGS own the division and there are only 2 wild cards. So go back and look at the other teams and YOU tell ME what seperates the Packers from the rest of the teams not only to try and make the playoffs but win the Superbowl. Come on i want your answers trolls and it isnt Aaron Rogers.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

I will take 1 Superbowl ring over a lousy winning season any day.

But, understand 2nd place is for losers played by losers!

Screw your being competive.

dobber's picture

Who are you having a conversation with?

Doug Niemczynski's picture

All you dislikers of my posts so that would include you.

The TKstinator's picture

Withdrawn!

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Your is correct, TK. You're would be incorrect. IMO.

GVPacker's picture

Your team of destiny got their butts kicked in......SKOL!

Bearmeat's picture

Ok Doug,

You are now the 6th poster in CHTV history that has earned a place in Bearmeat's "Don't even bother to read whatever tripe you write" hall of shame. I've been here since 2008. So - 6 in 10 years. Helluva accomplishment there, sir.

Go be a Vikings fan. Or, if you're really just that angry, I might suggest counseling.

Point Packer's picture

Who are the other three? Bovine. Longshanks?

dobber's picture

Maybe Big T...

Bearmeat's picture

Big T was one. I think he changed his name to Donald Trumps or something like that in 2016. Al actually banned him.

Stroh and his many screen names was another. Dan Stodola or something like that is his real name. Stroh is actually an intelligent fan, but he was such a jerk that he just wasn't worth it.

Cow42 was one. He also knew football (somewhat), but was such a chicken little (and wrong more often than not) that he wasn't worth talking to.

Longshanks never bothered me. Mostly because he was just dumb, and he didn't go after people personally unless they insulted him first. I can ignore stupid people. But when they are stupid and mean? That gets me going.

The other two I prefer not to name as they are still around, and frankly, I don't want to argue with them. Now I just ignore whatever they post. If I don't interact with them, they have no reason to come at me.

This is supposed to be fun. I love the Packers. I have plenty of conflict in real life with people who don't handle themselves intelligently or who are rude. I don't have to deal with it in the little free time I actually do have.

dobber's picture

Bearmeat is my HERO!!!

Bearmeat's picture

Dobber,

If you visit APC, Stroh is there now too. His (new) screen name is GBP062178. You can tell it's him.

I think the writing at CHTV is better than at APC, but IMO the in-game threads at APC are better. Often I'll end up going there in the game. I've already had it out with the Stroh-man. ;)

dobber's picture

As you stated, Stroh is quite knowledgeable and has good points to share, but he's such a pain to have a conversation with. It drives people away.

I read content at APC, but haven't posted over there...

Bearmeat's picture

APC is IMO not as good as here. The content is occasionally awesome (some of the analysis stuff between games is really good), but there's also a lot more fluff articles IMO.

Mostly though, the commenters here at CHTV are a truly knowledgeable bunch by and large. Because APC is affiliated with SB Nation, and it's therefore the top hit if you google "Green Bay Packers Blog," they get more *ahem* less than intelligent HAWT TAKES by casual fans who don't really know football.

That, and there are a LOT more trolls on APC from other teams.

Nick Perry's picture

I've always found APC to have to many little "Clique's" on their site for my taste. I'll go there on game day and ost from time to time, especially this past year because it was such a frustrating year. Give me CHTV anyday.

Packers Talk is another good site but most here don't go there. It's another Jersey Al site (I think). Good site with a few of the same writers that write here from time to time.

WKUPackFan's picture

I'm with dobber in occasionally reading APC content, but I've never signed up or posted there. The commenters here are so much more knowledgeable. I would crush APC's content but Tex seems like he does the very best he can under the constraints of SB Nation, and CHTV writers have always seemed to have respect for him.

Glad to hear that Big T was banned. It should have happened many years ago.

Tarynfor12's picture

It's OK Bearmeat....I can take it...name me. : )

GVPacker's picture

Remember that AssHat Chad back in 2010? He was a Dolphin's fan who always called A-Rod Noodle Arms, I wonder what happened to him?

Bearmeat's picture

LOL! I forgot about him! BAHAHAHA!!!

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

GBP is not Stroh. IMO there isn't a shadow of a doubt about that. I see the resemblance in that GBP is infamous for being argumentative. It is clear that GBP is a soldier stationed in South Korea.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Packers should be absolutely ashamed for wasting Aaron rogers time for the past 7 years. Well Capers got his money and you got your winning seasons. Guess everyone must be satisfied.

The TKstinator's picture

GB has no “Aaron rogers”

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

TK, You Crack me up. Do they have a "Roy"
LVT

Chuck Farley's picture

They are that's the problem. This team is totally fucked up. They are an 8-8 team with Rogers. How about that hunley as your back up huh?
Kernum, files free agent pick ups Ted no draft and develop.

Since &#039;61's picture

As long as Rodgers is healthy the Packers will be a SB contender. The question will be as usual, can the defense hold up their end. If the defense can improve on 3rd down and in the red zone, generate a pass rush and actually tackle we can get deep in the playoffs. But it will take a huge turnaround in defense. Look how far Jacksonville has gone with a good defense and an even more predictable offense than the Packers with Bottles as their QB.
Need a pass rusher, a CB, a speed WR and a TE. Health, Draft and FA will be key. Thanks, Since '61

Tundraboy's picture

Agreed Since 61, I would add a road grader OL.

Nick Perry's picture

The Packers have to improve the right side of that O-Line. Obviously the best thing would to be able to land a RT and a Guard in the Draft/FA who could step right in. Maybe McCray or Murphy can keep getting better and play Guard. Hopefully Gutekunst doesn't think Spriggs is the answer at RT once healthy.

Nick Perry's picture

All things I think the Packers can obtain in ONE off season Since '61.

Did you guys watch Torry Smith yesterday? That's exactly what we need at the WR position. SPEED. He took one RPO and gained 9 yards with just pure speed. The Vikings had it defended pretty well but Smith just got North and South so fast they still had a nice gain.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Marlon Brando's Voice:
I could've been a contender.
I could've been a contender
I could've been a contender
Lol...

Tarynfor12's picture

You forgot to type...In Marlon Brando voice.

Point Packer's picture

Of course Ricky Jean Francois is going to the Super Bowl. Of course.

dobber's picture

So is James Harrison...

Bearmeat's picture

Well, to be fair, RJH wasn't great here. He isn't great there either. But I have no ill-will towards him. It's not his fault that TT cut him repeatedly so our 3rd round rookie could get experience. (Who at least right now is not as good as RJF) This is why BB is better than TT. Ugh.

dobber's picture

This is why I point out Harrison. He wasn't getting snaps with Pittsburgh, they cut him, and he's leading NEs defense in the 4th quarter of a big game today.

nostradanus's picture

Not to mention Marty Bennett who is chillin on IR and collecting a paycheck plus Super Bowl & Playoff bonus plus the huge bonus from the Packers wow

Bearmeat's picture

I downvoted you. Because I agree with you and it makes me very angry to think that THAT guy has a chance at another ring.

nostradanus's picture

Haha me too

Lphill's picture

Agreed Since61 , all we need is some improvement on 3 rd down stops.

dobber's picture

I'm really enjoying this Philly/Vikings game at the moment...

HankScorpio's picture

It's gotten more enjoyable since you wrote that.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

10 Superbowl visits for Patriots and 5 for the Pack.

We better get a movin in 2018.

stockholder's picture

I liked the patriots fumble! Did you see them cry. No! It was like a dirty Hit! They got pissed at the call and got down to business. IT's like it wakes up the team. Are players think the world is against them and give up. This has to change. Get pissed and play better! Thats what needs to be taught in Green Bay. If the refs are against, you don't give up! You make up for it.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

They didn't even have J.Edelman or Gronk and still find a way to win.

But, its more important to be competive and stay under the cap. What was that trophy called again?

It's not called the Vince Lombardi trophy for nothing , so fans get that through your head then we'll start winning some Super Bowls or the nfl just might change it to the Billichek trophy, then you won't be laughing.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Funny how Doug Pederson our former 3rd String QB could win a Super Bowl ring as a coach with the Eagles while we are stuck with McMuffin.

Too bad Packers didn't get Alshon Jeffery they were too cheap!! But, that's what the Packers do best, be competive and stay under the salary cap.
And, that's what you Packer fans love.
Go ahead and give me another dislike!! Yay!

Chuck Farley's picture

Tight ass Ted fucked the fans. Could have had more super bowls but played cheap ball

Doug Niemczynski's picture

TT screwed us.

Oppy's picture

McMuffin is more successful in his worst failures than you will probably ever be at anything.

That's why he makes 5 times more a year than you or I will in our entire lifetimes.

I bet he doesn't waste his time calling people he doesn't know personally childish names on message board posts.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

You get back what you give.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Go tell that to Bill Bellichek and see what he says. He will say MM hides under Aaron Rogers coat tails.

croatpackfan's picture

Actually, Bill Belichik talks very affirmative, admirable and praiseworthy when reporters were asking about his opinion on Mike McCarthy...

Eat what you talks. It is smelly, like you are...

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Political rhetoric. ..

WKUPackFan's picture

I'm stupidly not following Bearmeat's wise advice:

Actually Pederson was the 2nd string QB for many years. He left for the opportunity to start at Philadelphia, then came back after a year in Cleveland. I consider Pederson to be a Packers favored son.

Despite the fact that I'm a huge MM supporter (some might say apologist), I wish Pederson would lend Frank Reich to MM for a couple of weeks to install that RPO package the Eagles ran several times in the 1st half. They absolutely carved up the Vikings.

Bearmeat's picture

Keep going PHILLY!

I remember 41-donut. I want this to be 49-7, so it's worse. :D

4thand10's picture

This is just simply awesome. 38-7 so far. The "miracle" season ended.

HankScorpio's picture

In the end, Case Keenum is Case Keenum.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Trey Burton TE
Looking pretty good to me, but that's ok i will get disliked again like i did before when i brought up
the fact that the packers should get him in free agency.

dobber's picture

Can you point out a place where you said this before anyone else did?...or before the "available free agents" article?

My guess is that people didn't dislike your statement about Burton, but they probably disliked the disjointed string of 10 or so posts prior to it.

EdsLaces's picture

Fly eagsssss

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

This will be my Last Post for a while. (Thank you for the Applause). I'm having Surgery tomorrow. Hope I'm not one of the two "Bearmeat" was talking about. Don't think I ever had it out with him. If I ever disagreed with anyone, it was never Personal (Except for Stroh) , just a matter of opinion. I know I look at things from a different angle than most of you. So I hope there is no Hard Feelings where I'm concerned.

With regard to this article, I don't think you can automatically pencil GB in as SB Contenders just because we have AR. He's as big of an asset as you can get, but remember: AR was handed the Finest set of WR's ever assembled some 10 years ago. That regime has all but disappeared. I'm not sure he'll ever see that kind of Quality again. GB has the makings of a Great Running Game, but realistically the WR's we're use to are Gone. I'm probably not making any new friends here, but this team needs a Major Overhaul everywhere I look, except the Running Game, & that's not for sure yet either. As I posted 3 years ago: I don't think we can draft our way into our next SB. We not only need to Hit Big on our Draft choices, we need to Win in the FA market. That's my opinion.

I'm a Tom Brady fan, but I'll be pulling for Doug Pedersen in the SB. I always liked him. I could be wrong, but he might be the 1st QB to take the team he Quarterbacked to the SB as their Head Coach.
LVT

4thand1's picture

Good luck Tom, hope all goes well.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

4thand1, Thanks!!
LVT

croatpackfan's picture

it was never Personal, just a matter of opinion.

Even if it was personal, I wish you all the best. Come back quickly!

dobber's picture

Peace, friend, and healing thoughts...

Bearmeat's picture

No LVT,

I was not talking about you.

Coldworld's picture

Well so much for the Vikings being the team of destiny. Ouch. That has to smart. However, I think it should also show us that we have to get better to win. Simple draft and develop will not do it alone and nor will more of the same on offense let alone defense.

The Gauntlet is well and truly thrown down fir the front office and for the coaching staff.

That said, go Eagles: do the same to New England!

GVPacker's picture

Once again the Vikings choke in the playoff's......Skol!

WKUPackFan's picture

38-7. The world has returned to it's proper axis.

Coldworld's picture

The NFL north simply wasn’t that good. The Vikings have no offense. The Eagles do. It made the Vikings look like they had no defense either. Of course the Eagles had speed too. My takeaways: 1) Our receivers need to get faster. 2). We need a decent vet QB to make sure we don’t waste the season and enough defense to get off the field.

4thand1's picture

Purple rain.........puurrple rain............purple rain..............puurrrple rain.............what an embarrassment. So much for the #1 defense.

croatpackfan's picture

I was hoping karma to struck Anthomny Barr. Still, I'm waiting and hoping.

Case Keenum, I have nothing against him... At least nothing effective...
He is nice guy who happened to play for those Vikings...

Tundraboy's picture

2018 is off to a good start!

4thand1's picture

Besides losing, they will pick at 30 I believe, and don't have a QB signed.

Dontworrygopackers's picture

darn right, i was a week off. i blame that new orleans safety, may he play for capers in the future

David Aures's picture

Sorry of subject a little:

People probably wont like what I got to say but here it goes.. I always been a J. Nelson fan but, as of late it seems like he's not getting the seperation Rodgers needs to get him the ball. It seems like Rodgers wants to throw the ball to Jordy so bad, he actually forces his throws and are intercepted more often now (even though rare for Rodgers). My opinion I think Rodgers is the most accurate Qb of all time. Some throws to Jordy the past 2 years was shocking and not Rodgers like.

Maybe its because none of our receivers have the speed to keep defenses on its toes. We need at least 1 speedy deep threat WR. As great as Rodgers is, can you imagine if we can do these; run the ball, quick slants, screens, quick ins and outs, and the DEEP BALL!!! Wow!!! It's been awhile. So it really pains me to say this, but I think its time for Jordy to say good bye. Yes, A-rod and Jordy are good friends and have had great chemistry, but if there's no seperation he's not helping the team nor A-rod.

My Opinion it will make A-rod even better and give us hopefully better speed (like a F.A. John Brown) on the other side of my favorite WR Adams. Cobb im still thinking maybe keep with a less money contract. IDk, but I would like Montgomery in the slot. I think this would help a lot on offense and give it speed. True packer fan.

One more thing, MCCarthy, please no more designed TE screens to Richard Rodgers. I swear I could get off my chair, grab a beer out of the fridge, sit back down all before he gains his 2 yards. Sorry Richard.

David Aures's picture

Sorry of subject a little:

People probably wont like what I got to say but here it goes.. I always been a J. Nelson fan but, as of late it seems like he's not getting the seperation Rodgers needs to get him the ball. It seems like Rodgers wants to throw the ball to Jordy so bad, he actually forces his throws and are intercepted more often now (even though rare for Rodgers). My opinion I think Rodgers is the most accurate Qb of all time. Some throws to Jordy the past 2 years was shocking and not Rodgers like.

Maybe its because none of our receivers have the speed to keep defenses on its toes. We need at least 1 speedy deep threat WR. As great as Rodgers is, can you imagine if we can do these; run the ball, quick slants, screens, quick ins and outs, and the DEEP BALL!!! Wow!!! It's been awhile. So it really pains me to say this, but I think its time for Jordy to say good bye. Yes, A-rod and Jordy are good friends and have had great chemistry, but if there's no seperation he's not helping the team nor A-rod.

My Opinion it will make A-rod even better and give us hopefully better speed (like a F.A. John Brown) on the other side of my favorite WR Adams. Cobb im still thinking maybe keep with a less money contract. IDk, but I would like Montgomery in the slot. I think this would help a lot on offense and give it speed. True packer fan.

One more thing, MCCarthy, please no more designed TE screens to Richard Rodgers. I swear I could get off my chair, grab a beer out of the fridge, sit back down all before he gains his 2 yards. Sorry Richard.

marpag1's picture

Final score: GB - 13, MIN - 0.

croatpackfan's picture

You mean Packers 13-3, Vikings 0-16?

WKUPackFan's picture

He means 13 Championships to 0.

Coldworld's picture

Well now the Vikings can get on with dealing with their cap hell. Karma.

bodei1newbie1's picture

everybody been saying they need a defensive end i say no they have a defensive ends in daniels and clark they should go after either a big noses tackle or two defensive linemen and on offense a speedy and tall receiver ,oh and a couple of tall defensive backs that should do the trick

HankScorpio's picture

Daniels and Clark are interior front 7 players. Clark is better on the nose so he plays there. But Daniels could do it if necessary. Both are better suited lining up against interior OL, whether it is OC or OG. Maybe they need some depth. Maybe they have that depth in Adams and Lowery. Either way, they have the starting spots inside covered just fine.

The Packers need perimeter front 7. Guys that line up against OTs and make them nervous. They don't really have anyone like that right now. I don't really care if you call them 34 OLB or 43 DEs. From what I've read so far about Pettine, he'll make do with either one. But they need someone that can collapse the pocket from the outside. They can do that just fine from the inside.

DD's picture

Most of you missed, except a couple, the main point. We still have boring, predictable, no scheme MM. As head coach, not much will change. Sorry dreamers.

DD's picture

Pollyanna thinking. We still have MM. End of story.

David Aures's picture

Im just saying there's more interceptions thrown by rodgers to Jordy in the last couple years then ever. Yes, they still connect on the back shoulder throw and catch. Still that's only one throw or one catch type. Jordy's struggling in slant routes, crossing routes, and deep routes, not much seperation there. Yes janis and davis has speed, but lack in route running , football smarts, or something else. Thats why I mentioned a John Brown type. Someone that has the tools as a deep threat that has experience.

Yes, it could be Mike being Mike and not giving Janis or Davis a chance to shine as a deep threat. Like Aaron Jones, I feel he deserved a lot more attempts to run the ball. I know his pass blocking is a little raw, but he showed so much more as a runner then anybody we have had for a long time.

David Aures's picture

Im just saying there's more interceptions thrown by rodgers to Jordy in the last couple years then ever. Yes, they still connect on the back shoulder throw and catch. Still that's only one throw or one catch type. Jordy's struggling in slant routes, crossing routes, and deep routes, not much seperation there. Yes janis and davis has speed, but lack in route running , football smarts, or something else. Thats why I mentioned a John Brown type. Someone that has the tools as a deep threat that has experience.

Yes, it could be Mike being Mike and not giving Janis or Davis a chance to shine as a deep threat. Like Aaron Jones, I feel he deserved a lot more attempts to run the ball. I know his pass blocking is a little raw, but he showed so much more as a runner then anybody we have had for a long time.

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