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Packers: 38 Vikings: 25 The Good, Bad and Ugly

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Packers: 38 Vikings: 25 The Good, Bad and Ugly

Aaron Rodgers, Jordy Nelson, Clay Matthews, Mike Daniels, Joe Thomas, Nick Perry, Pass Rush

Jeff Janis, Garbage Stats/Yards for Minnesota, Bryan Bulaga's Shoulder

Pass Defense as Usual, Aaron Rodgers' Brief Injury

 

 

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Hematite's picture

Simply labeling the pass defense ugly is not doing them justice!
They are hideous!!!

Bert's picture

They scare me assuming we make the playoffs. I just can't see getting through teams like Atlanta, Dallas etc. with the leaky secondary.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

I'm just really suprised the CBs continue to play this poorly. Joe Whitt has usually cleaned these things up in the past. However Randall and Rollins technique continues to be poor. Makes me wonder what is going on with those guys.

Gman1976's picture

Is it injuries, inexperience, the plays of the DC, the talent level or a combination of these factors? All I know is that when the 4th quarter comes along, you can count on the other team scoring at least one touchdown; and it is frustrating to watch since there is such inconsistency.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

It's definitely more than just a few basic problems. I think thats pretty clear.

dobber's picture

I know what you're saying, but I have no problem with the garbage-time TD the Vikes got yesterday.

I think the discouraging part was that the Packers were getting pressure on Bradford, but he was still eating up yardage. I'd like to think that pressure up front would make this group of CBs look better.

dobber's picture

This is what happens when you don't have a #1 CB...even against a bunch of ragamuffin WR like Minnesota's.

Lphill's picture

Have to start thinking Joe Whitt is clueless . How about next year we replace Capers with Zimmer who probably would be a better DC than he is a head coach.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Zimmer is a better defensive coordinator than Capers. I just don't think Zimmer will be fired, too many injures this season to pin it all on coaching. And I bet Rich Spielman doesn't want to do a coaching change right now.

Flow49's picture

Rex Ryan for D coordinator? That could be interesting

Christopher Gennaro's picture

people may riot in the streets!! even as a fan and against the move, the man is entertaining, and one of the funniest quotes.

Packer_Pete's picture

Jeff Janis wasn't that bad. Good gunner on ST.

Bert's picture

Yeah. I thought Janis did a good job on STs today. Didn't see the whole game so maybe he effed up and I didn't see it.

Nick Perry's picture

I guess I missed what Janis did too.

mrtundra's picture

On a punt return, Sherels was going to run it back and Janis was on top of him before Sherels knew he was there. It was a pretty nice Special Teams play by Janis.

mrtundra's picture

Janis also caught a pass from Rodgers.

Yooper's picture

Jeff Janis played a heck of a game......with the time on the field he was given - I love to see him play - Always exciting and so there are a couple of media people who luv to dish ...... on him - What gives with there bad attitudes - Jeff has given us all more exciting positive plays in two years than quite a few other players - Who by the way have been given a lot more chances!!!!!

Packer_Pete's picture

The good: O, especially Jordy
The bad: Vikings
The ugly: Joe Whitt's 'preparation' of CBs

Wenis's picture

Mashed potatoe Mike turtling up in the 2nd half. They continue to win despite this guy and his bone-headed play calling. 3rd and 2 and he continues to try and go deep, mind boggling.

dobber's picture

I don't think you watched the same game I did...

Since '61's picture

Good: Aaron Rodgers, Jordy Nelson, CM3, Daniels, Joe Thomas
Bad: Pass defense
Ugly: Fox announcers

On to Detroit. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

davy jones's picture

CM3 did indeed look good today, but Clemings is maybe the worst Left Tackle in the league.
He can't seem to move his feet at all. He's terrible. I hope CM3 is back, but this may not have been a real true test.

Christopher Gennaro's picture

funny how so many people, believe troy and joe are the biggest gb homers. yet every week im hoping its anyone else

al bundy's picture

Good is obvious, we won. Rogers, Nelson, Mathews
Bad, no pressure up the middle again and run support is piss poor. Just why the hell does this team think we need 330 pound guys in the middle to slow to pass rush and runners running by them. Tired of it.
Ugly- pass defenders totally out of shape and always hurt. Gunther, Rollins, Randle, Hyde, just not able to take the NFL punishment and I blame Ted T for picking these guys. Expect an early out again in the playoffs as the good teams pass like crazy with not pass rush and no pass d

al bundy's picture

Forgot, Geronomo upstaging Cobb. Last week Cobb caught zero passes and did nothing. Today with him out Geronimo added an element of height and speed and good hands. Time to put Cobb to the pasture

Bert's picture

Good point. Two thumbs up for Geronimo. He may develop into a pretty good WR. Very nice job today.

MarkinMadison's picture

Cuttig Cobb would leave $6.5M in dead cap money next year. Or the Packers could see if he returns to form when healthy. Wonder what they will do. Not really, they will keep him.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

What to do with Cobb is a conundrum, but I think the $6.5M dead money is a clincher: he will be back. No, making him an after June 1 cut doesn't help, IMO.

Before the Seattle game, I suggested putting Jordy in the slot and moving Cook outside opposite Adams. Jordy has been excellent in the slot, but unless Allison, Cook or Davis can show something outside, looks like Jordy will have to be outside. The thing is, Jordy is so much better than Cobb in the slot. Jordy is better in the slot than even the dynamic 2014 Cobb was.

Christopher Gennaro's picture

not until next year, davis never plays, allison too raw and cook maybe. you're not wrong, jordy in slot is physical more then most slot corners can cover, and few lb can run with him, even after the injury. hopefully once cobbs fully healthy we see more four wide with both playing opposite slot spots. the mismatches would be awesome

GVPacker's picture

The SeaChickens just lost does that help the Packers?

MarkinMadison's picture

The #2 seed is still up for grabs. If Atlanta loses to the Saints next week, someone else might have a shot at being #2. I don't think the Packers would get it though.

Since '61's picture

If the Packers and the Falcons both finish 10-6 then Falcons own the tie breaker due to their win over the Packers. They would be the #2 seed. The Packers needed both Atlanta and Seattle to lose out which was an unlikely scenario anyway. Thanks, Since '61

John Galt III's picture

Well, both Cleveland and SF won - so who knows.

Christopher Gennaro's picture

in all honesty i dont care about the second seed, even thou we cant achieve it anyways. let the dirty birds and the sea chickens, fight it out. i know that means if we get 4th or 6th seed, we go the jerry world in round two if we win, but i think we can go in here and take them out.

MarkinMadison's picture

Good: #12, Jordy, Geronimo, CM3
Bad: Pack running attack
Ugly: Defensive Secondary

tm_inter's picture

Why pick on Jeff Janis? He caught the only pass Aaron Rodgers threw to him. And he was the best gunner the Packers had.

What did he do wrong today?

RocsCave's picture

Janis couldn't get a punt downed inside the 5 before going into the end zone....because that never happens. ...crucifixion for him.

Bert's picture

Oh yeah. Bring out the blindfold and cigarette. Janis is a role player who seems to be playing his role pretty well the last few weeks. I have no problems with Janis. He'll never develop into a starter at WR but at least he does add some value as a spot player on offense and pretty good ST guy.

Bill Snyder's picture

it's a shame we still have capers. I think the game past him 10 years ago. our dbs really stinks. I would like to see what our defense could do with a more younger defensive coach.

mrtundra's picture

Everytime they showed Capers in the booth, Aikman and Buck would gush about how great of a DC he is.

Mags's picture

Maybe its the talent or lack of that Teddy put back there that's the problem.

LeagueObsrvr's picture

Check out this story from DailyNorseman. It looks like the rumors of Zimmer losing the team may be true:

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2016/12/24/14076810/zimmer-players-defied-p...

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Damn, Rhodes sounds like an idiot. An idiot who can cover but an idiot.

dobber's picture

The phrase you might be looking for is "coach-killer".

WKUPackFan's picture

You can't really be a "coach-killer" to a coach who doesn't garner, or deserve, respect.

Go back to the Norv Turner situation. Norv has always been a first-class guy, going back to the Cowboys. Yet the rift between Norv and Zimmer became so bad that Norv was willing to take the criticism of quitting mid-season just to get away from Zimmer.

Zimmer routinely blames everyone else for his team's failures (just like Bruce Arians). Zimmer is that guy from the trailer park on the outskirts of town. He lacks class. The exact opposite of MM.

GVPacker's picture

When Zimmer was named head coach there was an interview with the NFL network. They had a video of him running practice and I got the impression by the way he was taking to his players that he would be better suited to coach a college football program than a pro football coach. He was really ripping into his players, taking to them like he was speaking to a bunch of high school kids. He was a very good defensive coordinator with Cincinnati but with the turmoil in Minnesota his head coaching days may be numbered! I'll just sit back and enjoy watching the Viking's implode!,SKOL!

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Yeah, one easy to overlook quality of MM is that he doesn't throw guys under the bus.

dobber's picture

The Packers don't air their laundry in the media. They take care of it behind closed doors. I've always thought this is a part of why MM is frequently non-informative in his pressers. This was also why I thought it was meaningful when he called out Lacy after last season.

Bearmeat's picture

G: The passing game, CM3, Thomas
B: Randall, Rollins, Gunter
U: The Minniesoda Viqueens

sonomaca's picture

What I'm reading here is ridiculous. Capers and McCarthy did exactly what you're supposed to do with a big lead: RUN CLOCK. Who cares about Minnesota's late scores. The Packers won the game. Jeez.

Gman1976's picture

Last week, this strategy almost cost us the game. This strategy kills momentum, costs Ws at times, mars a victory, prevents a team from having a dominating attitude, removes fear from an opponent, takes away the killer instinct, and just stinks.

sonomaca's picture

Almost isn't did. The Packers won and Aaron Rodgers doesn't have a broken fibula. The entirety of your post is balderdash.

Wilson Maywick's picture

You get a thumbs up for using balderdash. Nice.

sonomaca's picture

Thanks. It's hard to criticize a coaching staff which has won 5 straight games. They have young players in the secondary, so I wouldn't expect perfection back there. How long did it take Shields to become an excellent player?

davy jones's picture

That is an excellent approach for any team with a D that isn't capable of giving up 24 points in a Quarter. We don't have such a defense as we've seen. With this D, it is probably better to keep the foot on the gas and just keep scoring. As the Chi game showed, you may need every last point to pull a game out. That said, I see your point. We just buried our arch rival handily and there is a lot of bitching going on. This is not a complete team. There are obvious flaws. But how about we enjoy the win?

davy jones's picture

That is an excellent approach for any team with a D that isn't capable of giving up 24 points in a Quarter. We don't have such a defense as we've seen. With this D, it is probably better to keep the foot on the gas and just keep scoring. As the Chi game showed, you may need every last point to pull a game out. That said, I see your point. We just buried our arch rival handily and there is a lot of bitching going on. This is not a complete team. There are obvious flaws. But how about we enjoy the win?

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

No, no, no, no. Our defense can give up lots of points fast. Our prevent D far too often doesn't stop big plays. When you have a big lead with a QB who does not throw INTs, you play the defense not the clock. Just tell the receivers and RBs to stay in bounds. You have to have the ball and move the chains to run clock.

I don't agree with you but had to give a thumbs up just for balderdash.

dobber's picture

We disagree: I think if you're only one-dimensional (and the Packers were yesterday) and playing against a fast, aggressive defense, throwing the ball (which is essentially what is espoused above) lengthens the game unnecessarily. When you're up three scores late, burn clock, make the opponent use their timeouts. There's a reason why teams do this...historically it's been shown to work.

Christopher Gennaro's picture

yes it does work historically, but our d right is so soft in prevent it kills us. even if we were more bend dont break, it would be fine. problem i see, is that even in prevent we will get gashed by a rb like freemen and zeke in the playoffs.

Gman1976's picture

I want our opponents in the 4th quarter to dread playing our team and to think it's a lost cause; but the "prevent defense" has been allowing way too many scores and gives the opponent hope and the idea it can win.

Rossonero's picture

I was listening to the game on the radio and a caller dialed in and asked why the Packers can't put away teams. Vic Ketchman quickly denounced him, saying "it's the football way. If your team gets a huge lead, normally teams are content to give up smaller chunks of yards, rather than a big play. So the clock runs and there are garbage time stats and TDs."

Now, the 2014 NFC championship game still haunts us, but Ketchman seemed to believe that was an extraordinarily unusual situation. I'll admit, I share the same frustration as the caller though. For example, look at New England today. They won 41-3. Granted, they faced Bryce Petty of all QBs, but Bill Belichick gets pissed even when they give up a garbage time TD.

In defense of Capers though, what options does he have? There's not much talent back there. Williams is gone, Heyward is gone and so Shields is too. You don't just snap your fingers, draft 2 CBs and think you're good to go.

I cringe at the thought of facing Matt Ryan, although he is beatable. But if we make it to the Super Bowl and face Tom Brady? That's a different ball game. I still have faith though. There's something special about this team I can't put my finger on. Go Pack!

MarkinMadison's picture

The bad news is the Packers are entirely reliant on three 2nd year cornerbacks. The good news is they will keep getting better. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe next month. Maybe next year. Something will click. They will get comfortable. We just have to hold on until then.

WKUPackFan's picture

Merry Christmas!

The Good: Kenny Clark (haven't seen him mentioned yet), AR, Jordy, Clay, others mentioned above.

The Bad: Zimmer and Spielman

The Ugly: Adrian Peterson, simply because he is a horrible human being.

MarkinMadison's picture

Agreed. Kenny Clark had a good game yesterday.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

From what I have read AP still doesn't get what he did wrong. Psychopath.

Keshti Gyllinger's picture

Adrian Peterson is a psychopath indeed, and a horrible, horrible parent. After seeing those pictures of his bruised 5 yo son I don't get why he still gets to do anything, he should be locked away. I would refuse to play with him on my team.

Tundraboy's picture

Thanks Santa! And ARod Jordy and Clark. Loved every part except for stupid Capers soft prevent later on. Please next time just run it up. Maybe for New Years Day.

croatpackfan's picture

There i not love for Schum. He won field position battle and he punts much better than Mashtay... He belongs to category good...

egbertsouse's picture

I refuse to let Caper off the hook for his crap D. Look at player performance: Most of the young defensive players show promise early. After 1or2 years with Capers and his staff they usually regress. Yeah, you occasionally get a Daniels but you more often get aRandall, Rollins, Raji, Pennel, etc, etc,etc.

4thand1's picture

Pennel is a lost cause cut his ass. Randall, Rollins sophmore slum? Raji had some good productive years. Whitt may be a little over rated by a lot of people. These young guys keep making huge mistakes, out of position, blown assignments,etc. etc. I keep seeing guys running into each other and falling down, leaving receivers to just waltz into the end zone. It's embarrassing. We had good pressure on Bradford and the back end collapsed again. 16 weeks into the season and this shit keeps happening, something's gotta give. This years elephant in the room.

calabasa's picture

I'm going to fill my cup with another round of "Christmas Kool-Aid" and enjoy a smackdown of the worst team in the league. ARod was unreal! Jordy too. Merry Christmas and GO PACK!!

4zone's picture

Didn't catch the game yesterday. Can't comment on performances. But love oking at Bradfords numbers secondary still has issues.

This team has com around on offense and parts of the defense is progressing but its still too much of sieve to withstand the top shelf competition in the playoffs. If we make it in, I see one win at best.

It has been a respectable turn around for sure but I think this team definitely has serious issues. Issues that need more than just draft picks thrown at it.

Detroit isn't going to lay down for us next week. Expect a high energy game from them, this one's for all the marbles. They are used to coming from behind and we are used to giving up points late. Not a good mix for us.

MarkinMadison's picture

I have to say, I'm disappointed in all the Capers bashing. Merry Christmas.

lou's picture

Merry Christmas everyone. Whether they run the table or not or the pass defense holds up in the playoffs if they get in this team has shown a lot of character. They easily could have folded after 4 straight losses. The fact they have persevered should end the calls for Ted & Mike's jobs but I believe they have to do a lot of due diligence to determine Caper's future going forward. Lastly in reference to putting Janis in the "Bad" category for no apparent reason was extremely UNPROFESSIONAL by the author who for some reason has a grudge against the kid. Let the bloggers who reply to the articles have an honest debate assuming the data is not "fake news", as they always do, there will be very entertaining opinion with references to back up there positions, that is what has made CheeseheadTV special.

4zone's picture

GB staff would do well to take note of the effects that their 'extreme' steps they had to take this season have had. Continue these 'extreme' steps and there is optimism that not only can this team make it to the playoffs year after year, we can start making it to and win SBs year after year.

Let's go get an impact FA, sign our own 'best' and keep our developed players instead of letting them go. Keep the entire play book active week after week and play the best players instead of those guys you want to be the best players.

The last 5 weeks have shown the better side of what is possible for the Pack if we go 'All In'. Even when we are still short handed. We are close to a dominant roster on offense and at close to a decent roster on defense. There is work left to do though, so don't pat yourselves on the back just yet TT, MM. This off season could determine how the rest of AR's career will trend. If you can bring this D up to or close to the level of the O, it will be one scary team for sure. And its possible if you go 'All In' to make it happen.

Go (All In) Pack

4thand1's picture

This is the offense I was expecting from the start of the year. Losing shields was like losing Jordy last year. Their best cover corner and young guys unable to step up. This looks like the Packers of the Dickey, Lofton, Jefferson years. Great offense, can't stop anyone.

dobber's picture

I think the Packers have to expect to play track meets from here on out. They're not likely to run into another inept offense like Minnesota. While other teams are targeting scores in the upper 20s, this Packer team will need to be shooting for 35-40.

idgafkurt's picture

Don't get Janis in The Bad category. Being at the game he was dominate as a gunner, consistently beating his man and causing multiple fair catches, along with a big hit on a return (vs a team who lives off big special team plays no less).

Since '61's picture

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all Packer fans and their families. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

jfajas's picture

I´ll stick with:
-excellent: Rodgers
-dreadful: pass defense

Looking ahead, Stafford next week... and this pass D makes the average QB look like Joe Montana...

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