Packers 28 Steelers 31: Game Balls & Lame Calls

The Green Bay Packers fooled us into thinking the unimaginable was possible for 59 minutes and then reality swooped in and brought us all back down to earth.  A game-winning field goal as time expired gave the Pittsburgh Steelers yet another regular season win over the Pack.

The result was another Packers loss that dropped them under .500 for the first time this season.  It wasn't the blowout that many expected and there was some shining moments despite not getting the job done.  On to the good and bad from the night that was.

Game Balls

Blake Martinez

Martinez seemed like he was in on every tackle.  Whether he was the first guy there or was chasing a play that someone else missed, he was very active.  Throw in an interception on a tipped pass and he was in the right place at the right time.  Those things aren't always an accident. Martinez has been there more often than not.

Brett Hundley

Hundley took some bad sacks in the third quarter that moved the team out of decent field goal range.  The result was a missed 57-yard attempt that probably shouldn't have been attempted.  But the stat line wasn't bad.

245 yards passing for three touchdowns and a passer rating over 100.  In a very tough road game, that's not the worst thing.  After looking lost and regressed last week against Baltimore, Hundley stepped up and made some very nice throws to get the offense going early.

I've been giving Hundley a hard time for his lack of vision but in this game, he was in much better tune with what was downfield.

Jamaal Williams

Williams came in needing to find a way to produce against a very good Steelers defense.  He carried over 20 times for 62 yards, including a nice, hard touchdown run late in the fourth quarter to tie.  Williams also added in four catches, one for a 54-yard touchdown early on.  He's never going to outrun anyone, but Williams has stepped up and been serviceable in the absence of Aaron Jones and Ty Montgomery.

Mike Daniels

Mike Daniels Is. A. Beast.  He was everywhere the ball was, which is impressive given his size and lack of speed.  He refuses to be denied and brings the attitude.  In a game where his team was given little chance to win, Daniels came in with the opposite attitude and took it to the Steelers front.

The Packers defense is all the better for #76 being on it.

Lame Calls

57-Yard Field Goal Try

Mike McCarthy didn't totally drop the ball in this game and actually called a beauty, overall.  Many will disagree with my nailing him to the stake here, but the decision to kick a 57-yard field goal in unfavorable conditions turned the tide late in the third quarter.  

I'm all for going for points in a tough road game, but that try for Crosby didn't seem right from the word "go".  Fortunately the snap and hold were both good.  The kick, on the other hand. . . 

The Steelers may still have driven down and scored and we'd be questioning whether McCarthy should have attempted the kick.  The way the defense had been playing up until that point, however, keeping field position seemed like the better choice.

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

Clinton-Dix continues to be a mystery this season.  After a Pro Bowl year in 2016, Ha Ha has been average-at-best this season.  He's hesitant on open-field tackles and a step slow in coverage.  There has been speculation about him playing through an ailment this season but if he's out there, he has to produce.  He just hasn't.

 

Others to mention

  • The Packers forced three turnovers in this game but weren't able to capitalize on each.  In a game like this one, teams have to capitalize on mistakes made especially by a better team
  • Davante Adams is the go-to guy in this currrent offense.  When Aaron Rodgers returns, we may see more Jordy Nelson but these past six games have shown Adams' value and it's time to get out the checkbook.  This offense needs him
  • Damarious Randall isn't bad.  I said it and I'm eating my words earlier this year after the first Bears game.  The guy makes plays and while he's a bit big-headed at times, if he shows up on game days like he has been, it's a small price to pay
  • David Bakhtiari struggled, by many accounts.  But when it's Cam Hayward that you're tasked with pushing around, I can't really hound Bakh.  The run game did a decent job and Hundley wasn't under fire like he seemed to be last week.  The offensive line held up OK by my account
  • Josh Hawkins got played by Antonio Brown on the Steelers first touchdown of the night.  I can't fault many corners for that, as Brown is one of the premiere receivers in the game, but that was an awful attempt to cover
  • Is it time to shut down Kevin King?  His shoulder is always hurting and bothering him and it's not going to get better.  He returned late in this game but was a complete non-factor
  • These next two games will truly show us what this Packers team is and is not.  A beatable Tampa Bay Buccaneers team at home and the Cleveland Browns on the road.  Win both and there's hope.  Lose even one of the two and the proverbial fork is in the 2017 season for the Packers

 

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Jason is a freelance writer on staff since 2012 and also co-hosts Cheesehead TV Live, Pulse of the Pack and Pack A Day podcasts.  You can follow him on Twitter here

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EdsLaces's picture

November 27, 2017 at 06:18 am

Also to note Kevin King will be a stud eventually . Bum shoulder and all and he's still laying the wood . Plus had some nice break ups. Martinez....well he already is a stud.

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dobber's picture

November 27, 2017 at 08:13 am

Shades of TWill a few years ago on King. If you've got a bad shoulder, are you really better than that next CB on the depth chart?

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CrispyATX's picture

November 27, 2017 at 08:21 am

What next corner on the chart? They are pretty depleted...

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dobber's picture

November 27, 2017 at 09:20 am

It was Hawkins last night...

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EdsLaces's picture

November 27, 2017 at 10:43 am

Sadly , yes he is haha.

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The TKstinator's picture

November 27, 2017 at 09:46 pm

No, Dix is HaHa.

But who’s on first?

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al bundy's picture

November 27, 2017 at 06:20 pm

First King and Jones have been oft injured since training camp. Are these another set of guys who were injury prone in college
Randall Rollins Brice. I get all vike games and there d backs are heathly, tackilng hard and playing lights out defense. Again this year
I expected toughness and solid pass d and nothing has changed. We're losing.

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The TKstinator's picture

November 27, 2017 at 09:47 pm

Yep, grass ain’t always greener.
Or purpler.

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GBPDAN1's picture

November 27, 2017 at 06:25 am

" Mike McCarthy didn't totally drop the ball in this game and actually called a beauty, overall.  Many will disagree with my nailing him to the stake here, but the decision to kick a 57-yard field goal in unfavorable conditions turned the tide late in the third quarter.  "

I'm not disagreeing. I was saying, as the FG squad was walking on the field, punt , punt , punt !

Up by 7 points at the time and momentum on our side, trying an improbable FG seemed foolish to me. The risk was to great at that time in the game.

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Nick Perry's picture

November 27, 2017 at 06:44 am

Completely agree on the FG attempt, it was just a stupid attempt to make, especially in THAT Stadium. That's one of the most difficult places to kink in the NFL yet McCarthy thought it was a good idea to try. I'm not sure which was worse, McCarthy actually sending his FG unit out to try it or the actual kick.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 27, 2017 at 06:50 am

If I invited you over for dinner, cooked an amazing meal and dumped it on the floor right before serving it; would my cooking skills mean anything? Or, would you go hungry because of my stupidity?

That's why I could give two shits if McCarthy's play calling was good. His stupidity on the Field Goal attempt trumps anything good that he did.

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HankScorpio's picture

November 27, 2017 at 07:49 am

Bad analogy. The game was not "ruined" by the FG attempt. It was 21-14 Packers at the time. The Steelers would take a 28-21 lead after the miss. That's bad but do you really think backing the Steelers up inside the 20 was going to make a significant difference? The Steelers had about 475 yards of offense...

Even so, the Packers tied the game back up at 28. And the Packer defense forced a rare punt on the subsequent to give the offense the ball and a chance to win.

I agree it was a mistake. But it was far from "the dagger" (to borrow from Wayne Larrivee)

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 27, 2017 at 07:59 am

Fine, it was not ruined this time. But in way too many games McCarthy does silly stuff that you'd never expect of a seasoned and prepared NFL head coach. I'm just tired of waiting for the next one.

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dobber's picture

November 27, 2017 at 08:16 am

If he gets it, he's a gutsy coach who has just put his team up by two scores. If he misses it, he's just saved his team a couple minutes of clock time that Ptt would have used to drive the extra 25 yards for a score.

If we wanted a gutsy play, it would've been going for 2 on that late TD. But the FG wasn't gutsy.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 27, 2017 at 08:43 am

Yeah. Thinking your going to break the FG Distance Record at Heinz Field on a chilly autumn night isn't gutsy. It's ignorant. He even lashed out at a reporter who asked him about it post game. It's his job to know the constraints of a given game inside and out. Even, I knew Heinz Field is a tough place to make field goals, and I'm just a fan on commenting on a blog.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 28, 2017 at 12:09 am

I totally agree JB. To know that every time you get your hopes up in a game where somehow they have a great opportunity to win and grab a victory, he always ends up doing something ridiculous, it's just tiring. Leaves you with no confidence in any big game situation.

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DD's picture

November 27, 2017 at 09:22 am

I disagree with you. The head coach and coordinators should put the players and team in the best possible position to win or at least put the other team in a statistical bad position.

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Hematite's picture

November 27, 2017 at 06:29 am

Meltdown Mike has done it again.
When the chips are down in big games he loses his senses.
The decision to try a 57 yard field goal was lame at best.

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HankScorpio's picture

November 27, 2017 at 07:51 am

If you saw a meltdown in that game, you watched a different game than I did.

I saw a team that many (me included) thought was completely overmatched fight, scratch and claw to try to win before losing on a FG as time expired.

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dobber's picture

November 27, 2017 at 08:19 am

Well stated. Pittsburgh wasn't at their best, and they handed the Packers all the opportunities they needed. The Packers were game, but just not good enough to pull it off against the likes of Brown, Bell, and Heyward. Arguably, Pittsburgh has 4-6 players that are easily better than the best player the Packers put on the field last night.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 27, 2017 at 11:01 am

"Pittsburgh has 4-6 players that are easily better than the best player the Packers put on the field last night."

Not completely agree, 3, I can accept, more is very debatable...

And regarding that 57 yards long FG, I can imagine level of rage here if Packers punted and AB returned that punt for score...

Steelers are top 5 D and Packers scored 28 points on them. Also Packers D was 13 minutes more on field!

Some people will never be satisfied...

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dobber's picture

November 27, 2017 at 07:47 pm

I can't get no...<<guitar riff>>

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Tundraboy's picture

November 28, 2017 at 12:13 am

Glad your satisfied. I'm not. Don't like giving back momentum as soon as we sieze it. Happens way too much and loses winnable games. It's MM's hallmark.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 28, 2017 at 02:38 am

How good would be momentum if Brown turned back punt for score? Can you elaborate?

Why people always think that other option is better?

I think that decision to try FG was risky, a little bit more than punt, but with deep ball, we all knows Steelers have, 15 - 20 yards means nothing!

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Tundraboy's picture

November 28, 2017 at 08:51 am

Have to look at larger picture over several years. We are rarely the team that takes full advantage of turnovers anymore unless it's a pick 6 or fumble return. That has been lacking since Woodson and Collins.

Fearing a return is not a justification or strategy, it's being passive, and being passive usually does not end well.

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Nick Perry's picture

November 29, 2017 at 06:13 am

LOL...Those are all the 1st round picks the Steelers have hit on where TT has missed on his.

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HankScorpio's picture

November 29, 2017 at 07:34 am

TT's miss rate on the 1st round is a very debatable topic.

TT's 1st round picks are: Kenny Clark, Damarious Randall, HHCD, Datone Jones, Nick Perry, Derek Sherrod, Bryan Bulaga, BJ Raji, Clay Matthews, Justin Harrell, AJ Hawk and Aaron Rodgers.

That's not the most spotless record of 1s but it sure as heck isn't bad either. 1 sure NFL HoF (Rodgers), 1 sure Packer HoF (Matthews), 2 more with Pro Bowl appearances (Raji, HHCD), 2 long term starters (Hawk & Bulaga), a guy that showed enough to earn a mega $$ extension (Perry), an ascending star (Clark) and guy that has been up and down but trending up now at 25 yrs old (Randall).

Only 3 were flat out busts that contributed absolutely nothing, Jones, Sherrod and Harrell. Sherrod is something of a asterisk with that gruesome leg injury in yr 2---although he was showing nothing prior to the injury,

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dobber's picture

November 29, 2017 at 07:49 am

I think it's very possible that Randall may be earning that 5th-year option.

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The TKstinator's picture

November 27, 2017 at 06:32 am

It’s the NFL.
Unexpected things happen.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 27, 2017 at 03:54 pm

Yup. It's a week to week league....

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Nick Perry's picture

November 27, 2017 at 06:37 am

"These next two games will truly show us what this Packers team is and is not. A beatable Tampa Bay Buccaneers team at home and the Cleveland Browns on the road."

I think I'm going to puke. To actually suggest games against the Bucs and Browns will show us ANYTHING about this team clearly shows how far this team has fallen.

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dobber's picture

November 27, 2017 at 08:21 am

It will show us something about the mental make-up of the players on this team. If they come out and play like they did against Baltimore or Detroit, it will show us a lot. Just as coming out with a chip on their shoulders like they did last night gets us thinking that this team might not be as bad as they've looked. While it might not feel good, it has a lot to do with evaluating talent and attitude, and figuring out where this team can go and what it needs to do in 2018.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 27, 2017 at 06:44 am

Lame Call:

I had absolutely zero doubt, after the Steelers got the ball back that the Packers D would give up a Field Goal attempt.

This is why I am adamant that Capers has to go. It's never going to happen under MM. But I am still convinced it's the only way.

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dobber's picture

November 27, 2017 at 08:22 am

"I had absolutely zero doubt, after the Steelers got the ball back that the Packers D would give up a Field Goal attempt."

Agreed. It was like the Packers getting the ball back at the end against Dallas...only the other way 'round.

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Ruppert's picture

November 27, 2017 at 09:11 am

Not to stick up for Capers, but our #1 CB is Davon House. I'll just say that again--in today's pass happy NFL, Davon House is our best CB. It's a fun debate--does the defense suck worse due to Capers or due to Thompson's failure to acquire defensive talent? Personally, I vote lack of talent.

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dobber's picture

November 27, 2017 at 09:23 am

Actually, I'd say their best CB right now is playing with one arm. Without it, he can't jam anyone at the line...Brown just ran past him and made him look silly on that TD last night. I'd say their SECOND best CB--and the guy of the three who is playing the best football--is stuck in the slot.

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Nelson Alberto Gonzalez Cuña's picture

November 27, 2017 at 10:21 am

What do you think of a DC that think Casey Hayward was only a situational slot corner, ohh man!!! Dom Capers defense is mediocre at the best!!!

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Packer_Pete's picture

November 27, 2017 at 04:30 pm

Are you sure that was DC's opinion? Was it Ted? Mike McCarthy? Or was that a suggestion from Joe Whitt? I'm really not sure whether I'd lay all the blame on Capers for this. There were also many fans who weren't sold on Hayward. Or Micah Hyde, for that matter.
The problem is, if I don't know who makes the final decision, and who has major input, then I won't really comment on whether Capers has the ability to recognize player talent or how to use the player.

Not that I am a big Capers fan, but I am simply not sure whether he can be blamed for this at all, or even partially, or totally.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 27, 2017 at 05:50 pm

Even if the Packers wanted to keep Hyde, the Bills FA offer(10 million) made it impossible to sign him. (I shudder to think how much Burnett will be worth this year) In a league where DB are getting WR money, it is getting hard to keep even second tier DB. The Packers are known for developing good players, so it is understandable that other teams would try to sign their talent. Capers as DC has to coach to that reality. It sucks, but that's the way it is.

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Nelson Alberto Gonzalez Cuña's picture

November 27, 2017 at 09:16 pm

Packer_Pete, I watch the Chargers game in thanksgiving, Hayward is a shut down corner all over the WR that he shadow, in Green Bay he was an slot corner ,and by five millions a year in 2017 is a bargain.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 27, 2017 at 11:28 am

Capers has had the Lions share of the draft since 2010 and has jack shit to show for it. Not a single top 10 defense since then. If all ofmthose draft picks aren't enough to be average Capers should quit and his genius can be hired somewhere else.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 27, 2017 at 02:47 pm

I vote our talent is good...but failure to use it properly by an incompetent DC......m.hyde...j.peppers..c.hayward...

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Duffman_44's picture

November 27, 2017 at 09:43 am

No doubt MM doesn't believe in the defense to hold them either. If he had punted instead of trying a long field goal, the defense would have given up over 500 yards. So likely was better to try to score since he knew they were going to need the points.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 27, 2017 at 06:48 am

Game Balls:

Hundley, Williams, Adams, Martinez.

Honorary game ball:
My grandma

Lame Calls:
McCarthy's 57 yard FG decision, Refs for not calling helmet to helmet on Watt/Hundley.

The play that changed the momentum of the game was the 57 yard FG attempt. While I get the idea that if they make a FG there they go up by 10 and it changes the course of the game. The risk was way to great to go for it. And just a few plays later the Steelers tie the game up. I'm not saying the Steelers wouldn't have drove for a TD if they would have punted it, but the momentum they gained by getting the ball at midfield definitely propelled them to tying up the game.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 27, 2017 at 06:52 am

NFL refs are total shit. Every game I watch they miss obvious calls. They are the least professional officials in professional sports.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 27, 2017 at 07:05 am

The only thing I am guessing is they are viewing him as a runner then? Its honestly the only reason that I can come up with them not throwing a flag.

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joe packer's picture

November 27, 2017 at 07:40 am

they just missed it. there'll likely be a fine levied in the next few days,

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HankScorpio's picture

November 27, 2017 at 09:12 am

Hundley was in the pocket and the play goes in the game book as a sack for a 6 yard loss. If they viewed him as a runner, they were the only people watching the game that did so.

I didn't need a replay to see it. I immediately said it was helmet to helmet before I got a replay. If some schmoe on his couch can see it in real time, there is no excuse for the refs to miss it. This non-call was a far bigger deal than the 57 FG attempt. The Packers should have been 1st and 10 at around the 25-30 instead of 2 and 16 at the 12.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 27, 2017 at 08:14 am

Yep, pretty sure I could hear the helmet to helmet crack over TV audio and I could see Hundley's head bounce back. How can the ref not hear it 20 feet away?

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dobber's picture

November 27, 2017 at 08:24 am

That was my question. There was a loud pop there, Hundley's head snapped, and he dropped. I don't know how that could be missed. This particular crew gets a lot of flak, though, as I understand.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 27, 2017 at 08:17 am

Oh to me it was a horrible missed call.

I said the same thing. You could see it and hear it. He lead with his helmet directly into Hundley.

Horrible non call.

Completely agree that this missed call was a huge turning point in the game.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 28, 2017 at 09:25 am

Absolutely. Is it just me or do we always seem to be on the wrong end of the most obvious ones. And I'm going back to the Farve days on this.

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DD's picture

November 27, 2017 at 09:28 am

Agree totally. Hock-wanna be lee, head official is so smart and confident? Not really. He changed the game. Normally I don't bash officials, but if their main concern is player safety, especially QB's, explain this obvious helmet to helment, obvious to all watching nationally and on the big play stadium scteen!! Same thing happened to Rodgers being driven to the turf after the ball was clearly out!

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stockholder's picture

November 27, 2017 at 07:19 am

Daniels was great. Moved him around and he played very well. I'd give him a ball too.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 27, 2017 at 07:28 am

yeah, you're right... I forgot to add him.

I will say that they did miss Clark a lot in the game. Clark has been great all season.

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dobber's picture

November 27, 2017 at 08:28 am

I will be looking forward to the snap counts to see just how they divvied up Clark's snaps last night. Dial seemed to be the primary beneficiary, but Adams played some. They need one of those two to step up.

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DD's picture

November 27, 2017 at 09:31 am

Unfortunately Daniels and Clark can't play DB. Why don't our DB'a play with this emotion and energy on every play? Answer: coaching.

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November 27, 2017 at 03:06 pm

Agree

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The TKstinator's picture

November 27, 2017 at 09:50 pm

What did your grandma do?

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November 27, 2017 at 06:56 am

So many of the Packers media - present company excluded - is slurping this game and the team. I completely agree that Hundley was much, much better. And McCarthy gets credit for designing and calling a much better plan (except for the FG). BUT...

The defense gave up 472 yards of offense, including 351 yards passing. The middle of the field might as well have been pre-game warm ups. Capers' defense is never, ever, ever going to work. I don't care if Kevin King is healthy. I don't care if Clay is "five years ago Clay." The only thing that prevented them from gaining 600 yards was Blake Martinez.

Speaking of wasting Rodgers' best years. How 'bout we don't waste a perfectly serviceable performance by a rookie QB who is probably never going to be good enough for a starting gig by pairing it with this hot, steaming pile of a defense.

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nostradanus's picture

November 27, 2017 at 07:09 am

It's too bad, that was an inspired effort by this banged up Packer team. I hate moral victories so I am not going to speak of one. This loss however is clearly on McCarthy.
*the 57 yard FG attempt was the momentum changer
*His poor clock management which led to the winning FG was inexcusable.
*Capers Defense getting pants again with 12 men on the field, no pass rush, missed tackles and of course giving up another easy two point conversion. Get rid of this bum already! FIRE CAPERS!!
*We all new realistically that the Packers are not playoff worthy. They did show some guts but this team still lacks speed and playmakers. That is on Ted Thompson.

I will say one thing positive about McCarthy's team however; he had them ready to compete, that's something.

Time to play out the string and evaluate the young guys, get Rodgers shoulder fully healed, Fire Capers and get some playmakers!

Go Pack 2018

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HankScorpio's picture

November 27, 2017 at 08:05 am

"His (MM) poor clock management which led to the winning FG was inexcusable"

Huh? The Steelers got the ball on their own 30 with 17 seconds on the clock and 2 TOs. They gained 37 yards on 2 sideline passes that didn't make them burn either TO. The first 23 yards were on a spectacular catch by one of the best in the business.

Unless MM instructed the DBs to make sure they gave up intermediate sideline routes so the Steelers could move 37 yards without burning a TO, it wasn't on him that they got a chance to win.

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November 27, 2017 at 08:31 am

I think the reference was to Williams running out of bounds prior to the punt that gave Pittsburgh the ball...thus allowing the Steelers to keep their TOs. Some might argue that's on the coaching staff--that he should have been coached to not stop the clock. That's what happens when you put a rookie on the field in a tight situation.

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HankScorpio's picture

November 27, 2017 at 09:32 am

It's still nonsense. The Packers took their final possession at their own 18 with 1:20 and 1 TO left. As they ran on to the field, the correct coaching words are "get out of bounds if at all possible." You have to at least try to get into position for the GW FG by going 50 (ish) yards with little time on the clock and only 1 TO.

Their first play was the Watt sack/non-penalty. Loss of 6 to the 12. I swear Hundley was a little groggy and may have been concussed. We certainly all saw the hard helmet to helmet contact. They finally get the next snap off somewhere around 42-44 seconds and the play ends with Williams OOB at 39 seconds. So MM's "failure" is not shifting the entire mentality in 30 seconds at the same time he called a play with at least some possibility that his QB was concussed and needed to come out of the game. That's a stretch in hindsight and impossible to get right in real time.

Then they ran the draw to try to play for OT. That forced the Steelers to burn their first TO and set up the situation I had mentioned.

Did I mention that the Steelers had a TO in their pockets when the FG was attempted? Since they used one on a play that lost yardage directly before the FG, it's not even fair to say that forcing the Steelers to burn one on the Williams play would have taken the middle of the field out of play for that last drive.

MM may be a poor clock manager. But nothing from last night showed that.

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dobber's picture

November 27, 2017 at 09:45 am

What is this "TO in their pocket" you speak of? I'm a Packer fan and have not experienced this...

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Curt's picture

November 27, 2017 at 01:38 pm

Time out left was true, but the missed helmet to helmet was the key.

With a 15 yd penalty and a first down at the 33 yd line, Even with a 3 and out the punt would have backed them up to where they needed 50+ yards with NO time outs, not 30 yards and two time outs. A game changer that was on zebras.

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November 28, 2017 at 09:29 am

Took me awhile but I see your humor on that one. Have a Cookie.

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November 27, 2017 at 03:25 pm

Exactly but that is on the coach and of the quarterback before they get out of the Huddle slap his hands and Hundley should say don't go out of Bounce because football players are not that smart so they have to be reminded of things

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November 27, 2017 at 09:35 am

Yes. Capers must go. 500 yards? For christ sake, time for change. I still think MM and TT must go too. They've had long enough to improve the total team with failed results each year now. Do you really want MM for year 13? Capers back with failed drfenses? Teddy with bad picks again? Our current scouting team? If you do watch Rodgers career end with ONE ring. Fact.

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November 27, 2017 at 03:11 pm

Yes. That is exactly what the packer fans want. Otherwise we wouldn't be talking about it for the 6th year in a row. AARON ROGERS is now 6 years older with only 1 superbowl showing since he started back in 2006. Makes me sick every time i see new England go to the superbowl practically every freaking year and a rogers is the better QB..but NE has a better coaching staff...do you hear me NE has a better coaching staff !!!! Go get Jon Gruden !!!

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November 27, 2017 at 08:10 pm

Had to read he posting t make sure it wasnt one of mine. TT draft and development is a sore joke with me. I see a lot of x players having solid years elsewhere and we developed them alright.
Gee case keenum would have been a great add to back up Roger's instead of three years to find out we have a guy who may never pan out.
Capers should have been gone but lets face it rogers saved capers mm and teds jobs.

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November 27, 2017 at 07:09 am

1. I am totally shocked the packers did no get blown out.
2. Hundley only passes to davante and never jordy. tampa will double d, adams next game and that wiil end that.
3.Why doe mcarthy refuse to play geronimo allison...wish i could earn a half a million dollars sitting on the sidelines for a whole year. mcarthy is a joke.
4. The reason the offense did good was because the Packers play the same type of 3-4 defense everyday in practice.
5. Lastly, as I said a million times before DOM CAPERS sucks. Told you. The packers score 10 points other team scores 13. The Packers score 28 points defense gives up 31 points......OMG....doesn't anyone get it? MADNESS !! Since McCarthy is going to stick with that dumb crappers than McMuffin HAS TO GO !!!!!!!

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November 27, 2017 at 08:33 am

"3.Why doe mcarthy refuse to play geronimo allison"

Because he's just...not...very...good. He got snaps when Adams had to take out a couple plays, but there's nothing special about Allison.

"5. Lastly, as I said a million times before DOM CAPERS sucks. "

We're fully aware...

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November 27, 2017 at 11:57 am

#3. Allison is to slow. No separation. Hundley would be picked off. #3 Their pushing Davis. 5. Your right.

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November 27, 2017 at 02:22 pm

Your crazy...Allison gets Great yards after the catch. ..your full of it., .your not that good.

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November 27, 2017 at 02:42 pm

Yes that DB on pittsburgh though geronimo allison was so slow he had to mawl him him as he was fixing to blow by him that got a penalty for steelers continued a drive thst gave us a 1st down and eventual TD...bet you weren't complaining then about G.Allison.

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November 27, 2017 at 07:59 pm

Now you're starting to sound like my wife...

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November 27, 2017 at 07:11 am

I agreed with the commenters about the need to punt, but Boswell's game winner would have been good from 60. Crosby should have at least had a better effort. GB had to get up more than one score and it really was the only chance (say one in three) that they had.

The defense was not going to stop Pitt so it had to be tried.

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November 27, 2017 at 08:11 am

At the time, I wanted the Packers to punt, not attempt the FG.

But finally someone that is looking at the circumstance of the decision with the facts of the game in mind. In hindsight, the miss gave the Steelers a short field but a long field was not exactly a huge obstacle for them and nobody in their right mind thought that 21 was going to hold up as the winning margin.

It is plainly obvious to me that some people will simply repeat long-standing complaints without regard to the facts of the situation when it comes to MM. Sometimes the game circumstance make them right. Other times, it does not and they look rather foolish.

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November 27, 2017 at 08:37 am

With that in mind, why not go for 2 after the TD? Certainly if it was more out of 'taking a shot' then going for the win rather than the tie would've been in line with that thinking, too.

I tend to agree: it was taking a chance at getting up two scores and potentially putting pressure on a Pittsburgh team that was turning the ball over. In that light, I don't fault him for trying.

"The defense was not going to stop Pitt so it had to be tried."

If anything, it was likely a 30-yard net change in field position that saved the Packers 2 minutes on the clock.

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November 27, 2017 at 09:36 am

I would not have faulted MM at all for going for 2 on that last TD. I don't fault him for kicking to tie. Sometimes, he doesn't deserve blame for the choices he makes.

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November 27, 2017 at 07:13 am

I liked the effort, they didn’t give up, but as usual this is still the same old D. Can’t give up 31 and expect to win. Defense I believe will be revamped big time this offseason.

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November 27, 2017 at 07:29 am

I missed Clark. Capers still sucks. MM made some great calls on the final TD. Spriggs played better. Still hoping TT was not wrong. Exciting football. Still think the packers have a chance. I hope they sign Burnett.

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November 27, 2017 at 07:59 am

Why do people keep saying there's hope I don't understand this the defense is awful just because Aaron Rodgers would return the defense sucks absolutely sucks you cannot win when your defense sucks so there's no reason to return Rodgers to make playoffs when there is no playoffs and even if there was playoffs they going to lose because the defense sucks

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November 27, 2017 at 08:04 am

Then if you were to bring Rodgers back when you shouldn't bring Rodgers back and he hurts himself again then you're ruining next year right off the bat by doing something stupid this year trying to save the coaching jobs when McCarthy and capers and all them need to go somebody needs to get rid of them and if somebody does not get rid of them then Harlan needs to go Murphy needs to go and Thompson needs to go we need changes now...but again i have heard no discussions about this. Also we need to already give contracts to Morgan Burnett and Davante Adams why hasn't there any been any contract negotiations that should already be taken care of there's only three or four games left we're going to do the same thing but the whole Jared Cook and we're just going to wait and wait and then we're going to lose Davante Adams and Morgan Burnett because once again the Packers Jack around like they always do what a pitiful freaking organization

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JerseyAl's picture

November 27, 2017 at 08:08 am

you kind of like repeating yourself, don't you?

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November 27, 2017 at 08:15 am

A lot of TT/MM/DC detractors likes repeating themselves on a weekly basis. It's the same complaints week after week, no matter if they are valid for that particular week or not.

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November 27, 2017 at 08:39 am

Haven't you noticed? "XXX sucks" is a complete argument all by itself.

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November 28, 2017 at 09:32 am

Your on a roll Dobber. You get my vote for best poster this week. Thanks for all the great humor to take the edge off.

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November 27, 2017 at 08:48 am

I would be happy for MM Bone Headed Game Time Management and DC End of Game Melt Downs to stop repeating themselves on a weekly basis.

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November 27, 2017 at 09:44 am

MM's bone headed game time management didn't repeat itself this week.

The end of game meltdown on defense certainly did but the Steelers needed two cracks at it for it to happen, with an assist from the zebras. They were forced to punt after the Packers tied it at 28 with 2:02 on the clock. Had the refs correctly flagged Watt on the subsequent Packer drive, it may not have happened.

That's not a defense of DC, who does need to go. Just pointing out that the auto-text posting style is...tedious and boring. There are angles to each game that go beyond the wash, rinse, repeat regurgitation of the same points, over and over.

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November 27, 2017 at 03:28 pm

Why in the hell are there 4 dislikes on Jeremys post ..this is why dom capers and company are still around and we have to repeat ourselves... this should easily be 7 likes. ..im posting with at least 4 idiots..

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November 28, 2017 at 11:00 am

You said it JB

As fans, instead of normal nail biting over a costly turnover or injury, we have to always worry about the dynamic duo grabbing defeat from the Jaws of victory, in some way or another. Or unnecessarily tempting fate by setting the team up for a bad break or call. Need to have too much of a cushion and margin of error, and all too often.

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November 27, 2017 at 08:20 am

Actually I don't like repeating myself this should have been done I demanded it be done and I could have moved on to the next thing but we keep on repeating ourselves because it's insanity and I have to keep on putting up with other Packer fans who change your mind at the whim of every time the Packers win they change their mind all we should keep them and then they lose the next week as fire Dom Capers / than they win that's keep Dom Capers now you should have got rid of that freaking butt hole a long freaking time ago and I won't have to repeat myself when are we going to get rid of him can anybody answer me that question

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November 27, 2017 at 09:43 am

I agree with you Doug. Repeating is good to remind us of mediocrity. Please keep it up and don't listen to those fans who like thinking everything is good with thrir poly anna glasses on. They're the fools, not you. They enjoy MM, TT, and Capers failing year after year. So let them criticize you, you're absolutely correct

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November 27, 2017 at 09:50 am

"Please keep it up and don't listen to those fans who like thinking everything is good with thrir poly anna glasses on."

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone around here who would say everything is good.

I have Harry Potter glasses.

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November 27, 2017 at 09:57 am

DD,

Take your condescension and stick it where the sun don't shine. Maybe you should stop thinking you can crawl into the head of people that are bored reading the same comments in different words whether they are applicable or not. That describes me but it does not mean I think all is well with the Packers.

I want Capers gone, too. I think TT needs to be more aggressive in acquiring Pro talent (ie free agency/trades). I'm not sold on all the coaches. There are players that probably shouldn't be on the team. The pass rush is pathetic. The run game and pass coverage are inconsistent (to be charitable). I know all that and more.

I sure as heck didn't enjoy watching the failure in Seattle a few years back. It was as gut-wrenching to me as anyone else. The other notable playoff meltdowns may have been less gut-wrenching but they pained me too. Just because I don't think following the Cleveland Brown model of blowing everything up in response is a good idea doesn't make the pain any less acute. Because I recognize the "go all in" model is much more likely to leave the Packers with nothing as it will bring a Lombardi, doesn't mean I don't want that next Lombardi as much as anyone else.

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November 27, 2017 at 03:17 pm

Thank you

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JerseyAl's picture

November 27, 2017 at 11:17 am

Well, I suppose we all owe you an apology that you "demanded it be done" and we couldn't get it done for you. How about coming up with something a little more enlightening than "everything and everyone sucks." There is no contribution to the conversation and hearing it over and over just makes it boring as all hell. Show us you can do better.

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November 27, 2017 at 02:25 pm

Yes i am do an apology. ..dom capers has made an ass out of you as a packer fan and i dont like it.

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November 27, 2017 at 03:51 pm

The only ass here today is you. You're like a spoiled little child having a massive temper tantrum. That bores the shit out of me. If I wasn't such a non-asshole, I'd just ban you. But I keep giving you a chance to act like an intelligent adult. Wait, maybe THAT makes me a dumbass. So confused...

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November 28, 2017 at 08:42 am

You may be waiting a very long time. I usually read every post in it's entirety, but like Team Win USA or whoever that was, it's just a waste of time. Rarely constructive and just too hard to comprehend.
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November 27, 2017 at 05:36 pm

Al - he repeats himself with every post. Maybe it's copied from his original post from about a month ago. Thanks, Since '61

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November 27, 2017 at 05:48 pm

I know. nothing new to offer is what bores me.

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dobber's picture

November 27, 2017 at 08:38 am

I think Santa should bring you punctuation for Christmas.

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November 27, 2017 at 09:12 am

My phone sucks......it says its make by Capers Int'l.
The 2 could not be related.....no....couldn't be....

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November 27, 2017 at 05:42 pm

He could sprinkle some punctuation in the text box and write in between them, even that would be better. Thanks, Since '61

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November 28, 2017 at 11:01 am

Dobber, Your killing me! Keep em coming.

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lou's picture

November 28, 2017 at 05:32 pm

No, Santa's perfect gift would be a punching bag with Dom Capers picture on it. That would do the trick, I was a Golden Gloves boxer and you can't believe how heavy your arms get after a couple of rounds, he won't even want to touch the keyboard.

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November 27, 2017 at 08:06 am

A number one draft pick next year needs to be a wide receiver there is no doubt in my mind we have to give Rodgers another weapon and somehow we're going to have to find a tight end I don't know where I don't know if we offer Eric Ebron at the tight end don't understand don't know where we're going to get a tight end from but we definitely need one

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November 27, 2017 at 08:42 am

ARod makes above-average WRs look even better. This offense has been elite without a blue-chip WR for years (if, as many have postulated, Nelson is really a red-chip who looks blue chip based on #12). If there's one position where TT has been able to find players without using a #1, it's WR.

The first pick should only be a pass-catcher if that's the best player on the board. This team is desperate for blue chip talent at just about every position. This is a BPA draft if there ever was one...I'm just hoping that BPA can rush the passer.

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November 27, 2017 at 12:25 pm

Packers needs someone, anyone, I don't care what position, that can rush the passer and get 10-15 sacks per year, more than they need another wideout that will probably just get injured and not be available anyway.
If they hold they Steelers to their (the Packers) defensive average of 24 PPG or less, they win that game last night. Offense is fine, it's the D that needs to get fixed with a combo of players and coaching.

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November 27, 2017 at 02:29 pm

Offense is fine ? No TE...we dont know who is our #1 rb...jordy is aging..cobb is earning 12 million dollars and devonte 1.7 million do you see a problem? We need a right tackle..buluga hurt too much...evidently mc carthy doesnt like allison so we are down to 1.5 WR...and you say offense is fine?

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November 27, 2017 at 03:08 pm

Fine for last night - good enough to win.
In the grand scheme of things, with Rodgers under center, offense is the LEAST of their problems.
75% of the problem is on the defensive end.
Can I nit-pick and say the offense has problems, sure. But everyone in the NFL has warts somewhere.

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November 27, 2017 at 03:20 pm

The defense players are not the issue...they are not....i guarantee you get a different DC with our same pkayers we are in the top 15 defenses easy..the very 1st year.

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November 27, 2017 at 08:21 am

Alright let's just keep Dom Capers and Mike McCarthy Ted Thompson Ark Murphy Bar Harlem and we won't say anything bad about him anymore and we'll just wait for Aaron Rodgers to come back and it will go to the Superbowl and win okay that's all that sounds like a great plan that way I don't have to repeat myself anymore

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November 27, 2017 at 08:23 am

The 2018 draft class we need to pick for offense of people in the first four rounds running back wide receiver tight end and a right tackle we spent the last four rounds last year on defense we need to spend the first four rounds on offense this year and you can spend the rest of the draft picks on defense

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November 27, 2017 at 08:25 am

Jordi is getting older he probably has another year to left before he only starts maybe averaging for 500 yards season going to be cutting Randall Cobb because we have to pay Davante Adams a huge contract they won't play Geronimo Allison so I don't even know where he fits into the offense have no clue they won't play Trevor Davis so I have no clue where he fits in Ty Montgomery we don't know if he's a running back or wide receiver or what's happening with that Aaron Jones seems like a good running back I don't know if he's the answer I probably would draft a running back in the first round wide receiver in the second round or a tight end would definitely cutting probably Beluga so we're going to need a right tackle those are the first four positions we need can't waste anymore on I'm defense especially if we're going to keep Dom Capers again all we can do is try score more points than the defense can let the other team have

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November 27, 2017 at 08:43 am

BREATHE!!!

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November 27, 2017 at 09:08 am

I'm putting a paper bag over my head right now.......I feel better...Thanks !!

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November 27, 2017 at 09:51 am

Most of us have been wearing paper bags over our heads since the Saints game. What's taking you so long? ;)

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Johnblood27's picture

November 27, 2017 at 09:17 am

Yo Al, how about a time out?

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November 27, 2017 at 11:19 am

no, although annoying as all hell, there hasn't been anything offensive to warrant that.

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November 27, 2017 at 08:25 am

Everyone loves focusing on the fact that McCarthy attempted that 57 yarder but no one wan't to comment on the hell of job McCarthy did. Pittsburgh was healthy and had Roethlisberger, Brown, and Bell at their disposal and the Packers offense with Hundley, Williams went point for point with them to the end. The difference was Brown's catch on the sideline and the non call on the helmet to helmet. Who knows what happens if those two plays are reversed. That just goes to show that this team has talent that they go in Pittsburgh and trade blows with one of the top teams in the AFC.

For everyone that says McCarthy is stubborn and can't adjust look at what this offense was last night. I didn't recognize it. Lot of screens, running the ball that setup the deep passes and when they were there Hundley connected.

It was a fun game and a injury plagued 14 point underdog played with toe to toe with a healthy dominate team.

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November 27, 2017 at 08:47 am

This was the kind of game the Packers needed to call last week against Baltimore. Very similar defenses (in my mind, anyway). MM just didn't attack them the same way he did last night.

That said, Pittsburgh didn't seem all that interested in getting after Hundley until the Packers went to halftime with a lead. Baltimore wanted to rattle him all day. The Packers also were able to capitalize on Pittsburgh's defensive break-downs to get that early lead (the one they threw away against Baltimore). Without it, last night's game plays out very differently, IMO.

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November 28, 2017 at 05:50 pm

You are right Spud, when you have play makers like Brown and Bell that come up even bigger in crunch time even if you are close to flawless you can get beat by being just a hair in bounds to get into field goal range. I remember in their rookie years it was a toss up who would be better, Lacy or Bell, the answer is obvious now. Almost never just one play is the key to a loss with the exceptions being Carroll not running Beast Mode to win back to back Super Bowls and T J Rubley throwing that pass in the Humpty Dome that almost gave Holmgren heart failure. What was really impressive is the defense did give the ball back to the Packers when it mattered most, we have not seen that for some time. Hats off to the coaching staff, like QB's they take a lot of flak win or lose, they did their jobs, the team was ready.

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November 27, 2017 at 08:55 am

They lost this game for one reason, and one reason only....because when it mattered most, and they needed a stop, the defense could NOT get off the field. Hundley and the offense did enough, so it's back to the same old discussion about a failed defensive effort, coordinated by Dom Capers. Specifically the inability to get pressure on the QB, either schematically, or with individual effort. One sack for an entire game....one sack is all they got. One stinkin' sack by an interior lineman. Always a step late.

Not to mention the fact I believe this is Clay Matthews LAST season in GB, particularly under this contract. Talk about a guy that has just fallen off a cliff since about 2014. Always injured and consistently unproductive when/if he plays. No hit against the salary cap if they cut ties with him before June 1.

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November 27, 2017 at 08:49 am

They lost the game because, when it came down to it, players > plays. Pittsburgh's talent (Brown and Bell) was something the Packers just couldn't contain and didn't have an answer for. They make Roethlisberger look good...and, frankly, I don't think he's much better than average at this point.

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November 27, 2017 at 08:57 am

Rothliesberger is better than he appears because he moves adequately within the pocket, can shrug off many tackles because he's so big, and he releases the ball quickly, not to mention accurately. Several of those throws were unreal. He looks clunky, but he's better than he looks.

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November 27, 2017 at 09:07 am

We'll end up disagreeing on Roethlisberger. Yes, he's an ox (and if he's 240 lbs, then I'm a Victoria's Secret model), but I just don't see him as being much better than average at this point. His weapons do him favors and inflate his passing numbers with their RAC. Bell, all by himself, keeps the pass rush at bay by being both a running and receiving/screen threat. Brown always draws the attention of a safety and makes Bell more effective in the passing game by getting him LBs in coverage. He has a tremendous amount of support, and that hides the fact that he's declined significantly in recent years.

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November 27, 2017 at 10:14 am

Can't totally disagree with that assessment. I suppose it's reasonable to assume his supporting cast, particularly a top tier RB like Bell, makes him look somewhat better than he is. Listen, I don't want to like him, and I wouldn't take BR over AR, but he's still pretty effective is all I'm saying. He never has been a flash player, even when he was younger. Fact is, they could have won this game with a better defense, but what else is new, right?

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November 27, 2017 at 10:21 am

I'll be honest: this is really the model for how to handle ARod in his later years. Get him a blue-chip pass-catcher and a blue-chip RB and let him use his smarts to manage games.

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November 28, 2017 at 08:58 am

I agree. With his intelligence and field vision I always wanted to see him have those weapons. with the pass catchers being a TE and tall blazing fast WR.

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November 27, 2017 at 08:42 am

whats the big deal about how well they played. a loss is a loss. they might turn around and lose to the Bucs by 21......this is that kind of team now. they might play well against a good team and then disappear against the worst. at least you know the defense will keep the other team in the game and never get that big stop in crunch time. capers defense sucks .

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November 27, 2017 at 08:57 am

"whats the big deal about how well they played. a loss is a loss. they might turn around and lose to the Bucs by 21"

They might. But what we saw last night was a resilient team that bounced back, not just from a lousy game against Baltimore, but from in-game lead changes. They could have folded when Pitt went up 28-21 (and, frankly, I thought they might), but they didn't which says that the players aren't giving up.

In the long run, it's not just about this season. I don't think they have a fart's chance in a whirlwind of making the playoffs this year. There are going to need to be meaningful changes for this team next season for them to be a serious contender (which is what we all want, right?), and if they played lousy, uninspired ball last night (and from here on) assessing players, making those decisions and turning this team around would be that much more difficult.

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November 27, 2017 at 09:24 am

Lets dissect the fart in a whirlwind comment.

What does a fart having a chance really mean?

Does a fart have a purpose?

If the answer to that query is affirmative, then is the purpose positive or negative? Is it all perspective?

From the farters perspective if the purpose is to inflict noxious odor on unsuspecting victims, then the metaphore seems apt.

From the non-farters perspective the fart having a chance might be seriously offensive and a whirlwind might be the most desired environment when around a farter with said fart locked and loaded and wishing to inflict olfactory damage on an unsuspecting victim.

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November 27, 2017 at 09:30 am

You get a cookie!

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November 28, 2017 at 11:05 am

I see you have classical training.

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Qoojo's picture

November 27, 2017 at 09:53 am

It's hard for me to completely fault Capers with the defense last night, and I have been calling for his firing for years now. He has man coverage called, and the CB's just can't cover. Packers have one decent interior LB. No pass rush.

Just how much can you do a DC if you can't rush the passer and can't cover 1-1? Where I do fault capers is the zones never seem to work. But then, most pass coverage doesn't work with this defense.

As far as Lame calls go, 57 yard FG attempt ranks up there with the dumbest of the dumb.

On one sack, Hundley had no dump off options. 3 WRs run deep, and the only short route was a straight run 5-7 yards and turn around right near the defender. Hundley had no one to throw it to when blitzed. It's another instance of MM's over-reliance on Rodgers who probably would have evaded that pass rush.

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Razer's picture

November 27, 2017 at 10:38 am

Thank you Qoojo for making these points.

The defense needs:
- at least one more starting QUALITY CB
- a safety to replace Clinton Dix and fill in for the oft injured Burnett
- two quality LB's who can inflict some damage and get after the QB

Yes, it is time for Capers to go but let's fix the problems that he is forced to workaround so that the next guy isn't playing with the same bad hand.

The offensive scheme does need to evolve from this sideline vertical route mantra. Hundley did as well as you can expect given his college training and our stale system. Count the number of times Pittsburgh hit receivers crossing over the middle and how much they used their TE. The Packers don't play across the middle and can't spell TE.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 27, 2017 at 10:59 am

Its all about coverage adjusting to the offense and knowing what offensive plays will be called working as a team and being on the same page doing your individual jobs knowing how to make the tackles knowing when to blitz when not to blitz or never blitz not making your defense so obvious..discipline players so they dont make unsportsmanlike conduct plays knowing when to play zone and when to play man coverage. Details on how where to place your hands and feet..learning from mistakes. Knowing if you screw up a packer player will be hurt...that there will be NO defensive celebrations on 1st or 2nd down..knowing how far your individual players can go..are they getting worn down have you rotated the players correctly have you put correct matchups at the right time have you gone over the game film properly have you exposed the other teams weakness and taken it to your advantage is sitting up in the booth better or should certain games capers should be on the sidelines knowing why certain players are not in the game are they hurt are they tired getting the mental mind set of the defense ready to play and getting the best out of their skills getting their full potential out of the players making their weaknesses their strengths. Picking up free agents and draft picks that fit your defense ex T.J Watt or Kevin King..can go on and on. Are your players in training camp exercising properly for the positions they play. Getting this team to play with a disciplined killer instinct. I could go on and on...Dom Capers does NONE of this.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 27, 2017 at 12:22 pm

Lame: 9 pressures in 49 pass attempts.

I suspect it is nearly impossible to field an average defense with that level of pressure unless the opposing QB is terrible. I have no idea how any DC could generate pressure with Perry, Daniels, Brooks, Biegel, and Fackrell as the pass rushers, particularly when your ILB is somewhat less than average in coverage, and your CBs aren't healthy even when they are able to be on the field together at the same time.

Excellent comment, Qoojo.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 27, 2017 at 04:36 pm

This is where the losses in the front office hurt this team. It takes years to replace guys like John Dorsey who can evaluate talent for the Packers. Moving valued scouts like Hightowner? in the front office means they have to be replaced in their areas. Those new scouts don't have the level of trust, and that takes years before it's earned. This years draft looks like the front office situation was righted. But how many positions were not filled in the draft or FA to due to lack of trust, or not having the right people in place. We fans will never know, but can only guess by watching the Packers players preform.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 28, 2017 at 08:28 pm

If DC had JJ Watt Sammy Watkins Von Miller any of those guys Dom Capers defense would still suck it is it's just the way it is... he has taken the Packers for a ride and I was seriously wouldn't be surprised if he actually threw these games for the Packers.. because he has made some boneheaded calls that just are uncalled for

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dobber's picture

November 28, 2017 at 08:35 pm

Ummm...Sammy Watkins is a WR.

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al bundy's picture

November 27, 2017 at 10:41 am

Sorry to be critical but this team is 5-6 for a reason and its not just the Rogers loss. They played their hearts out last night I'll give them that. Now here is the problem as I see it.

1. Martinez is all over the place running wild at times and missing tackles. Last night he ran into the line of scrimmage letting Bell run right by him, stop and catch a soft pass for a first down instead backing up the line. Dump crap like that loses games.
2. Ryan runs across the LOS, and instead of plugging the hole waits till the runner emerges and makes the tackle. Said runner got six yards. This is the bullshit defensive plays that keep them on the field. Either these guys cant play or dom capers cant coach. The linebacking was horrid last night.
3. Steeler receivers dropped a lot of easy passes last night that would have kept their own drives alive and could have been up by 21 before half so realistically they played a crap game for them.
4. Hundley is still not looking at the field but has a pre determined person he is throwing to and that dont work in the NFL. Got lucky last night as is. O line sucked at pass protection for sure. Folded like an accordian when the pass rush picked up.

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JerseyAl's picture

November 27, 2017 at 11:26 am

So if Martinez didn't run around "wild", intercept a pass, recover a fumble and make the 15 tackles that he did, how do you think things would have worked out for the defense?

This has to be one of the most ridiculous criticisms you could have come up with.

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al bundy's picture

November 27, 2017 at 08:24 pm

The interception was lucky, he missed more tackles than he made and apparently doesn't like tackling anyone head on. He's is the best they have and that's one of the problems.
He just isnt too football bright. I think he is poorly coached. At this point he should know if its a run or pass and respond accordingly.
Watch the game

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JerseyAl's picture

November 27, 2017 at 08:37 pm

sorry, but you are insane. Missed more than 15 tackles? really? That would mean he had over 30 tackle opportunities, which would make him the most prolific defensive player in NFL history.

Not bright? Stanford guy they were willing to trust the comm helmet to as a rookie?

Dude... You have no credibility with these statements.

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dobber's picture

November 28, 2017 at 09:09 am

He must've been watching a replay from 2011.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 27, 2017 at 11:07 am

Jamaal Williams played GREAT

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HankScorpio's picture

November 27, 2017 at 12:43 pm

The 57 yard FG choice was a no-win scenario. That MM didn't win is predictable, not lame, IMO.

It was 4th and 18 from the 39. There are three choices:
1) Try a low % FG.
2) Punt
3) Go for it

Most NFL coaches hate punting from that sort of "no man's land" on the field. They will take big risks to avoid it. Most coaches can reasonably have more faith in their defense than MM.

MM took the low probability option that did not depend on the Packer defense making a stop to work out. So people that are heavily critical of the choice are, in effect, saying he should have shown more faith in Capers defense--that the extra 30 yards or so of field position would have made a significant difference. I don't see much supporting evidence for that point of view, at least not enough to make it a "lame" call.

Had he punted, I have no doubt that the crowd criticizing MM over non-existent clock management issue would be criticizing him for "playing not to lose" or "counting on the defense to make 21 points stand up" or whatever else.

It sure as heck didn't seem like the turning point Collinsworth and Michaels made it out to be. Pitts was moving the ball well before the missed FG and after it. It was really only TOs and dropped passes that stopped Pitts all night.

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mrj007's picture

November 27, 2017 at 01:06 pm

Probably right, but the long snapping and place holding team has been a revolving door and no FG has EVER been made at Heinz Field over 51 yds. Best % favors going for it I would think. (I would have punted if I could rely on Defense which we have established already is a dismal failure). At that point w the tie and flag happy refs I world have tried a pass over the middle and get 10 yds of field position abd hope for a flag.

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HankScorpio's picture

November 27, 2017 at 01:39 pm

I thought the stadium record was 53? If it wasn't, it is now. The GW FG yesterday was from 53, with room to spare.

I would not have minded going for it all that much either. You might be right about trying to draw a flag being the best choice. The odds were not good with any option.

It's like MM had to bet on a 50-1 horse. He could bet win (points on the board), place (retain possession) or show (give Pitts 20-40 yards longer field). He picked win. It didn't. That doesn't mean that place or show was a good bet.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 27, 2017 at 02:34 pm

The nfl history record in that stadium was 53...aw bah hum bug..lets go for 57 yarder...

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HankScorpio's picture

November 27, 2017 at 05:11 pm

And you would have rather place trust in the defense to hold the Steelers?

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Pack204's picture

November 27, 2017 at 12:50 pm

I feel like these games do just enough for a coach like capers to still keep his job. The d made some plays I agree they kind of wilted when they absolutely needed the stop at the end which has been a common theme in the playoffs vs the better teams the last 7 years. MM is a solid coach but I think all to often it feels like the team has been on the wrong side of big games when good coaching matters most.

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mrj007's picture

November 27, 2017 at 12:56 pm

Play calling after last turn over. Only 13 seconds and we go 3 and out. 13 seconds? Really?

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mrj007's picture

November 27, 2017 at 01:01 pm

120+ rushing and 340+ yds the defense allows. Truly lame. Not much Pittsburgh couldn't do. No pass rush. Had the Steelers not shot themselves in the foot, this would have been the blow out we all expected. I can only recall 1 or two punts by Pittsburgh... That is a pretty reeling stat about this Packers (lack of) defense

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 27, 2017 at 02:32 pm

What's wrong with those numbers? Its typical dom capers defense. You like him. Stop complaining. .whiner. .

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Icebowler's picture

November 27, 2017 at 02:36 pm

When you have the momentum, you have to make it as difficult as possible for the opponent to take it back. You don't want to just hand it over to them on a silver platter, which is what MM did with the non-punt. Pitt was making some mistakes last night. The longer the offensive drive that they have to make the more likely they are going to have a screw up at some point. That was the "turning point" of the game. All of the Stealers picked their game up a notch after that.

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November 28, 2017 at 11:20 am

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Tundraboy's picture

November 28, 2017 at 11:19 am

Ding, Ding. I wonder if he will ever learn. Not the first game he has done that. Sigh.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 27, 2017 at 03:31 pm

I want to know which one of these defensive player sucks Mike Daniels Kenny Clark Blake Martinez Nick Perry Kevin King Devon House HaHa Clinton-Dix damarious Randall Clay Matthews kentrell Brice ... now that's 10 players on defense right there Octavius Adams might be okay but we don't know beagle you really don't know about him either but I believe there's enough Talent on this defense to get something accomplished it's not like they don't have anybody on this team the common denominator again is Dom freaking crappers

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 27, 2017 at 03:32 pm

Forgot to mention Morgan Burnett that's 11 players so which one of these players sucks do we need to get rid of them all because the talent isn't there right so they all need to go I want of these that I want he's 11 which one is it how many is it going to post things on this right now

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 27, 2017 at 03:33 pm

When I suppose Josh Jones sucks to another waist right that's 12 people at least

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 27, 2017 at 03:36 pm

So I have mentioned 12 players on the packer defense and you only need 11 to start the game and I've given a couple others like montravius Adams and Vince Biegel who may also came out what more do we have to do we constantly cater to Dom Capers all the time trying to get him players when it is a waste of time if you tell the players to play is going to the left and the play goes to the right I don't care if you have Von Miller and JJ Watt and everyone else on your team they're not going to get the tackle because of defensive coordinator told him to play was going the opposite way

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 27, 2017 at 03:38 pm

If I was a defensive coordinator coming to the Packers I would be so ecstatic to have at least 12 to 14 players in defense that can possibly start and knowing I could put this defense in the top 15 easily in my first year with the talent that is on this team and possibly get another draft pick her to in the draft to help me put this tea maybe even the top 10 and this is no joke I want you to look at these players any one of these players could definitely be a pro bowler any one of them

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 27, 2017 at 03:43 pm

Morgan Burnett pro bowler HaHa Clinton-Dix pro bowler Clay Matthews was a pro bowler mike Danies pro bowler Blake Martinez pro bowler Nick Perry pro bowler Kevin King pro bowler damarious Randall pro bowler Josh Jones pro bowler I believe all these people have pro bowler potential but with this coordinator they'll never make it

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 27, 2017 at 03:58 pm

And Kenny Clark pro bowler is having his best year and it's only his first year

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 28, 2017 at 08:21 pm

Oops..

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Lphill's picture

November 27, 2017 at 03:50 pm

Lame call was the 57 yard field goal try , special teams was giving up good field position the entire game , helmet hit would have been a flag for any other QB not named Hundley, I would have appreciated MM going for 2 for the lead on the last TD rather than the unmakable field goal .

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November 27, 2017 at 06:00 pm

Game Balls - Hundley, Adams, Williams, Daniels, Martinez and MM.
I'm giving MM a game because his game plan delivered the only possible approach for the Packers to win the game. Which was stay close until late in the game and make a play to pull out a late win.

I didn't like the decision to go for the 57 yard FG but MM had 2 choices. Punt and force the Steelers to have a longer field, which probably would not have mattered based on the defense giving up nearly 500 yards of offense, or try to give the defense a 10 point cushion with a quarter left to play.

The series which cost us the game was the 3 and out that only used 13 seconds on the clock. That was due to poor execution by Hundley on first down when he threw a terrible pass to an open receiver. If he completes that pass we have second and short with the clock running and maybe a first down.

Lame call: No pass rush again. I think that we had 1 sack.
Lame call: Capers with no idea how to stop either A. Brown or Laveon Bell. At least take one of them away from the Steelers offense. As usual he had an ineffective plan to stop either of them.
Lame call: House. What is he doing out there? He was beaten by A. Brown and any other Steeler receiver he covered.

Hundley's 2 best games have come on the road, maybe he doesn't like to play at Lambeau. Time will tell. Thanks, Since '61

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Ruppert's picture

November 27, 2017 at 06:34 pm

I don't stop by here much anymore, but I decided to stop by today, read some posts and throw a comment on. I think it's an interesting debate as to whether the slide of this defense is due more to Capers or Thompson. I think that's a fairly interesting conundrum.

Evidently I haven't been here since the latest Grand Troll showed up. As of 7:28 PM Eastern, there are 32 comments out of 142 from this nimrod on this post alone. Dude, what the $##$%? And each is one long negative run-on sentence that basically says the same thing.

Congrats, man. That's impressive.

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November 27, 2017 at 07:51 pm

I think that he is a Vikings fan because they usually rant uncontrollably and endlessly about how great they are even though their team is rapidly approaching 0 for 60 seasons without winning anything. Thanks, Since '61

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Cartwright's picture

November 27, 2017 at 11:17 pm

Isn't a coach supposed to read the tea leaves in a game, feel where the momentum is and make the right call.
When Coach McCarthy made the call to kick it, I felt a big pull as if momentum was shifing, my solar plexus was telling me it was the wrong move
Our defense had made some plays already and pinning Pittsburg back would have given them an opportunity to make more plays or heaven forbid a 3 and out even, and supply even more momentum, but I guess this showed the faith our coach has in this defense. In his mind, better to attempt a record breaking field gold in windy cold weather where the outcome is 60/40 then hand the ball to a defense where the outcome is inevitable. Says it all to me.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 28, 2017 at 11:15 am

Perfectly stated. MM understandably has little faith in the D, we all do, but when they put us in a position to take a lead, give em a shot, stick with them. But that was as wishy washy as you can get. I suppose it also shows he has absolutely no faith in Special teams. At the end of the day as head coach maybe he needs to start doing something about both. It's year 6 by my count.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

November 28, 2017 at 08:36 pm

So why are we posting all these worthless posts...nothing is going to change. ..

Rah rah..go pack go...cheese and brats. .your suppose to be title town USA. .your the laughing stock of the nfl...even other teams doing the lambeau leap in their stadiums and you dont care....ogm oh rogers....rogers..rogers..no one gives a crud. Fire the dang coaches and write to tge nfl commissioner and penalize other team's for doing OUR celebration and tell them to get their own.. .shameful. ... isn't it bad enough Martellus Bennett spit all over you?

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