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Packer Transplants 2015 All about Randall Cobb

Episode 133

We talk about the Randall Cobb situation and take Packer fan calls.

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FITZCORE1252's picture

Well? What conclusion did CHTV Nation come up with? Will he stay or will he go? I haven't watched yet.

coreyb's picture

what do you mean you haven't watched yet?

FITZCORE1252's picture

Life bro. Life. I will though!

Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

I would never fail to watch you if you had taken me to the NFC Championship game. Still hurting...

FITZCORE1252's picture

Tell me he's staying...

ballark's picture

You guys hit on it, it always boils down to contract and salary. What's the point of draft and develop then letting guys walk, you ask. Well, if Cobb's offers are $11 million plus, then question is then do Packers match at all costs? At a certain point, don't we have to walk away? We all understand the love for Cobb. Yes, he may be a slot WR, but there's also his maturity, age (24), football IQ, versatility on field, leadership. He plays big in big moments. He's way more than just a slot guy. I expect some team to pay very big for Cobb. And sad as it makes me, given Davante, Abbredaris, and Janis, and the ability to add another quality WR via the draft, I understand the Packers not going to that $11-12 level. And keep in mind if Cobb walks, we're likely to get a great compensatory pick (no small thing) and signing guys like Bulaga, House, etc becomes much easier.

I think it'll go down like Nagler says. Packers will give him about what Jordy got, maybe a touch more, with some great guarantees and incentives, but that's about as crazy as they will get. If another team comes in with $11 or 12 (and I suspect that will happen) then I think Cobb will probably walk.

The ONE factor in all of this that we don't know, is how badly Cobb wants a ring, and how much he loves playing in Green Bay. Like Nagler said, Jordy almost certainly took a bit less to stay in Green Bay. Boy would it be great if Cobb did the same. Go Pack Go.

Jamie24's picture

Exactly. Everyone wants Cobb to resign, Ted Thompson included, but only if it doesn't push the limits of logic and sensibility. I think the maximum I'd be ok with GB spending on Cobb is $10 mill. Anything further than that just doesn't make sense.

The one thing I can't get over though is the fact that Oakland and Jacksonville are remotely attractive destinations even if they are willing to overspend for Randall. In agreeing to play for one of those teams, you are going from Aaron Rodgers to Derrick Carr or Blake Bortles. You're effectively putting a cap on your career at just 24 years old.

I also don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that Aaron makes Randall Cobb better than pretty much any other QB could aside from perhaps Andrew Luck. The things that make Cobb so dangerous, quick passes over the middle and scramble plays etc., also happen to be things that Rodgers does better than anybody.

DrealynWilliams's picture

Yes, a lot of his plays are in the slot, but he can literally do it all. Now, I'm not saying pay him anything he wants. But he does deserve damn good money.

He does make big plays outside.
He does make big plays from the slot.
He does make big plays running.
He does make big plays catching passes from the backfield.

++ He's a match-up nightmare for any CB who's not the #1 guy.

"But he IS only a slow WR for all intents and purposes."

You meant "slot WR", right?

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Cobb's ability to play in the backfield is critical? My view differs: I don't think it's worth much at all. His PR ability might be useful, but he can't be rusty and muff them during the postseason. If MM isn't going to use him there, his added value to GB as a PR is negligible. I do think Cobb is a slot receiver only, and is in fact not as good as Victor Cruz. If some team offers Cobb $12 million per year, and TT does not re-sign Cobb, is GB just giving him away to Jax or Oak., or if Cobb walks does it mean that GB has abandoned draft and develop? My view differs. If some team views Bulaga as a good starting LOT, and offers $9.5 million/year with big guaranteed money, should we sign him so that we don't abandon draft and develop? If some team views House as a starting CB and offers him $7.5 million average per yr, should we match it? I think that if Corey had been our GM for the last few years, GB would not have $33 million in cap space today, to say the least. I really like TT as a GM, (but I don't think he is godlike as some posters do), but I found this conversation almost scary.

I thought Corey made an excellent point when he suggested that GB will not contend for the super bowl without Cobb this year. We can disagree about how true that might be, but I agree that the odds of reaching the SB go down without Cobb. It depends on what TT does with the cap space and in the draft, and if anyone steps ups. Since Rodgers is signed through the next five years, I don't think it is time to blow up the salary cap and go all in just yet.

coreyb's picture

If I was the GM we would definitely not have any cap room. You are4 completely right about that.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Cool. We can disagree about the rest. I might right there with you advocating having no cap room when Rodgers turns 35 or 36.

DrealynWilliams's picture

"I thought Corey made an excellent point when he suggested that GB will not contend for the super bowl without Cobb this year. "

Only on paper.

MarkinMadison's picture

This is why Lang was so pissed after the NFC Championship game. I don't believe that Randall Cobb will be a top-10 receiver for the next five years, but losing him would definitely be a step backwards. I don't care what Nagler says about us not knowing what we have - Jared Abberderis couldn't stay healthy at Wisconsin, he won't stay healthy in the NFL, and he is the closest thing to Randall Cobb on the roster right now. This is a lose-lose situation. If you let Cobb walk then you at least need to dip into FA and find a solid ILB and a solid TE.

JimTaylor31's picture

Probably true for a couple of years anyhow that it would be a HUGE step back for Cobb. I can't help to think that we would've said the same thing about about Driver or Jennings if they would've left GB and Favre to join a team with Rodgers a few years back. I mean both Bortles and Carr showed more than Rodgers did as rookies. Bottom line, it's a business and Cobb has to make a decision that he feels is best for him given the short career span of an NFL player. Hate to lose him and I'm still optimistic he'll stay in GB and pass up on the bigger payday.

JimTaylor31's picture

Oh I forgot. Guys with with talent don't get hurt and have long careers. Oh well. Cobb is a bright guy. I hope he stays in GB but if not, that's his decision. I have an idea he'll weigh the options and make the decsion that is best for him for the near and long term. I certainly wouldn't blame him for taking the money though.

JimTaylor31's picture

I'm thinking if Cobb asked Dez Bishop, Finley, N. Collins, Sherrod etc.etc. they might say "Randall. Make hay while the sun shines." Cobb is indedd elusive but he also has to have a broken leg in 2013 in the back of his mind. It's still a contact sport and s##t happens. Even to talented guys.

HankScorpio's picture

I agree that the Cobb budget should be used on signing a veteran not currently under contract for 2015. My preference is that the Cobb budget be used on Cobb. But if his market exceeds the Packers budget, they should try to get a replacement pass catcher on the open market. Rodgers doesn't need every one of his pass catchers to be All Pro but the 2015 roster as it exists today is not good enough, IMO.

Signing ILB (or NT) on the open market would be ok too. Having a defense that can win big games would offset the decreased ability of the Packer offense to win big games.

Or both.

DrealynWilliams's picture

"Having a defense that can win big games would offset the decreased ability of the Packer offense to win big games."

I agree.

White92's picture

I agree with you here. As good as Abbredaris, Janis, and Adams might be, it usually takes a receiver 2-3 years to become a real factor. 2 of the 3 of those guys really didn't see any meaningful game action. I would not feel comfortable at all with only 1 seasoned vet on the wide receiver squad.

Tundraboy's picture

He's simply a great receiver, young proven, versatile, a throwback and a true football player, ideal Packer. End of discussion for me. There are always exceptions and this is one of those. Bureaucrats are free to argue the slot angle but the smart business guy is the one who knows what he already has.

4thand1's picture

Agreed. Cob is ascending, he's gotten better every year. He's only 24 and entering his prime. Sign him.

The TKstinator's picture

Sign him, yes.
But at what cost? That's the whole story right there.

Flow49's picture

Whether Cobb is resigned or not I don't think moving up and down the field between the 20's is a problem for Rodgers and Co. The redzone was horrible for us last year even in games we won. We need a big target that excels in that area regardless of if Cobb is back or not.

PackerAaron's picture

"The redzone was horrible for us last year even in games we won. "

Actually, they were quite good in the red zone during the first half of the season. It's the second half of the year where they fell apart in the RZ.

pooch's picture

Right, some film on GreenBay in redzone and they were shutdown,Let Cobb walk,sign Wilfork and Thomas TE.Those 2 would cost as much as Cobb

DrealynWilliams's picture

Mind blown...

Icebowler's picture

More than outside receivers, slot receivers, constantly going over the middle, need a QB who is extremely accurate. A pass that is slightly ahead or slightly behind can get him in a world of hurt. I hope Randall realizes this and concludes that it's worth at least a million per year not to spend most of his time on IR with a subpar team.

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