Pack-A-Day Podcast - Episode 801 - Packers/Falcons Injury Update

On today's show, Mark and Jason get you all set for Monday's game by taking a look at the updated injury report and reviewing how the Packers will have to alter their gameplan. Don't miss it!

On today's show, Mark and Jason get you all set for Monday's game by taking a look at the updated injury report and reviewing how the Packers will have to alter their gameplan. Don't miss it!
 

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Qoojo's picture

October 03, 2020 at 06:04 pm

Just read the Kirksey and Lazard went to IR. So I am guessing that Gute is watching a lot of tape at this point.

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Harold Drake's picture

October 04, 2020 at 01:23 am

Living in Denial

Driven by blind faith, the mystical allure of "carrying the G," or simply an irrational desire to pretend that "everything will be fine" despite the evidence to the contrary, but many CHTV commentators, led by the Aaron Nagler, refuse to face the truth: the Packers are in desperate need of an elite WR to complement Davante Adams.

The loss of Allen Lazard, together with the ongoing IR status of EQ, and the hamstring injury to Adams which may prevent him from playing in a second consecutive game, has exposed the lack of depth at the WR position. This lack of depth is not a quantitative issue, but a qualitative one involving a group of untested and inexperienced WRs.

Given that Aaron Rodgers is one of the bet QBs currently playing and one of the best of all time, it is absurd and wrongheaded of the Packers to have failed to add a top WR this season either via the draft (I will not belabor the premature selection of a future Rodgers replacement in Jordan Love instead of a WR owing to the hysterical reaction of too many fans who toe the Nagler party line). This strategic failure of judgement has now left the Packers in a precarious situation and the idea seems to be that the offense will simply resort to its other "weapons" who will somehow be able to replicate in the aggregate the lack of elite talent at the WR position.

Certainly, MVS will be called upon to step up and make up for the absence of Lazard who has proven himself to be an excellent No.2 wideout to DA. But beyond MVS and DA (who may or may not play against Atlanta on Monday night), the Packers are threadbare at the position and Tyler Ervin is much more of a slotback than a primary WR and therefore it is unlikely that he can fill the gap (no pun intended).

Gute and co. would do well to consider trading for a top WR at this stage because Aaron Rodgers is in top form and running the Packers' offense with such precision that it is wishful thinking to assume that LaFleur can seamlessly plug in the gaps at the position by using practice squad replacements.

One last point, Nagler and others have demonstrated a terrible tendency to fly into a rage or rant whenever people (very legitimately) bring up the need for an additional top WR to compensate for the loss of Lazard. The "everything will be fine" party line is that the Packers have the kind of offense that can harness multiple players in multiple formations to magically negate the absence of Lazard on a team that began the year with a sub-par receiving corps (compared to most Super Bowl contending teams in the NFL). Further, this same "Living in Denial" camp also summarily loves to ridicule virtually every top NFL analyst or commentator who have questioned the Packers' failure to bolster the WR corps whether at the draft or via trade or free agent acquisition. It seems foolhardy to dismiss the views of so many on the grounds that "they don't know the team as well as we do" or they are simply jumping on the bandwagon of collective wisdom.

CHTV needs to give more serious and balanced thought to the eminently reasonable and rational observation that the Packers are desperately shorthanded at the WR position and the current shuttle/practice squad replacement strategy is not an effective or optimal solution.

Go Pack Go.

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fastmoving's picture

October 04, 2020 at 08:03 am

Whaaaat??? Did you watch any football games?? This is on of the better WR groups in the NFL. Top 10 with still a lot room to grow. Depth is not a problem at all. Dont know if any other team can make up for injuries better than us.
There is only so much targets and one football. In which world living these drama queens and crybabies.
A lot of words for a guy who is "Mr. Living in Denial".

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Harold Drake's picture

October 04, 2020 at 08:18 am

I have watched every Packers' game for the past 20 years.

And you are living in an alternate reality if you believe that the Packers' WR corps is amongst the top 10 in the league. And depth is a problem when the replacements are third-tier practice squad WRs.

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Coldworld's picture

October 04, 2020 at 12:05 pm

Your certainty is absolute. Perhaps you are right and perhaps wrong. I can’t say because I haven’t seen it: nor have you. Whatever the outcome that casts your certainty as belief not knowledge. Your derision is therefore premature, regardless of whether the outcome matches your expectations or not.

With this injury report, if most don’t play, winning would be a major accomplishment, even against the Falcons. No team would have the kind of depth in cap world that would cover this seamlessly with experienced players. I will reserve judgment till I have more than faith or it’s lack to go on.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 04, 2020 at 12:46 pm

If your plan is to have your star QB throwing more, your thesis about needing another superduper WR has some merit.

If your plan is to protect your star QB by running more and throwing less and throwing short, then it doesn’t.

It’s pretty obvious the Packers have their plan, and it’s working. We have a great QB, we keep him protected, we score 40 points with a cast of Day 3 draft picks on rookie contracts and UDFAs. I think it’s a great plan so far..

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Leatherhead's picture

October 04, 2020 at 12:47 pm

Double

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Pacrat88's picture

October 04, 2020 at 11:38 am

A lot of BS; The Pack will still beat the Falcons Monday night. That's 4 & 0 without this rambling about how we have no depth.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 04, 2020 at 01:57 pm

Agreed. You only get to start the season with X number of players. We keep 5 WR on the 53. If three are injured, you are down to two.

Are we supposed to just carry more? Or are we supposed to invest premium resources on our #4 and #5 WRs?

We’re missing 3 starters on offense

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Guam's picture

October 04, 2020 at 10:40 pm

I will give you props for calling out Nagler - I certainly share some of your opinions about him. However your premise that the Packer WR corps is deficient is suspect. To wit, the NOLA game game where the Packers were without their #1 WR and the passing game functioned very well. That was either very lucky or the Packer receiving corps is better than you think. One game does not establish a trend line, but if the Packer passing game is fine against Atlanta then your premise is in serious trouble. I need more data before I would be willing to condemn Gute for not drafting a WR with the #1 pick. And that is from a guy who has roundly condemned Gute for drafting Love......

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Harold Drake's picture

October 05, 2020 at 02:07 am

Hi Guam!

I love Aaron Nagler and his vidcasts are the only reason I follow CHTV. But he seems to be irrationally attached to the "no need for receivers" party line.

My comments are not about the fact that the Packers' second or third tier receivers are not capable, but more that they are inexperienced and unproven. Yes, of course it is possible to win with the current roster, but the odds increase in the Pack's favour when you have better and more experienced WRs whose past performance is a proven quality.

I believe the Packers are taking an unnecessary risk by not adding an elite WR to the current roster. That's basically all I am saying.

And even if Aaron Rodgers torches the Atlanta secondary with his precision passing, that does not invalidate my thesis that the Packers are undermanned at WR. But I'm glad you hated Gute for drafting Love - a WR or an ILB would have been a much more optimal choice. Right now, Rodgers looks like he can continue managing the Packers' offense for at least three or four more years. Look at Brady's performance yesterday - even with a pick-6 he still led Tampa Bay to a huge victory. I don't understand the thinking of Gute and LaFleur. I think LaFleur might have thought that Rodgers would never fully buy into a more balanced offensive attack scheme. But look at how Rodgers has performed in the first three games - obviously he's happier than ever. Still, he deserves to have at least one more elite WR as a regular target he can trust - and not "stone hands" Sternberger, for example, as a third-rate receiving option.

Thanks for your comment. At least you aren't interested in spewing insults the way so many other CHTV people do. We need to be able to state our opinions without fear of ad hominem abuse and invective - a la Mr Orange.

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Guam's picture

October 05, 2020 at 08:18 am

Hi HD,

I guess I am more of a results guy. If the Packers continue to have a successful passing attack, then I am fine with the WR corps, experienced and talented or not. My continuing concerns are an inability to stop the other guy's rushing attack (IDL and ILB) and no obvious succession plan for Bahktiari should he and the Packers decide to move on. I would have preferred to see the 1st and 4th round choices spent on Love invested in solving one or more of those problems.

The larger issue for me is that the Packers are a SB contender (based on last year's record and a HOF QB) and spending our 1st and 4th round choices on a guy who will not play this year did not help the Packers reach the goal of winning a SB in 2020. Gute went for the future instead of a SB. I understand the philosophy, but do not agree with it. SB's are hard to come by and you take your shot when you get the chance.

Always enjoy the opportunity to dialogue with another fan, particularly one who takes a position without belittling or insulting others. Stay well HD.

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Archie's picture

October 05, 2020 at 09:36 am

You have a strong opinion and you may be right. Or you may be wrong. But we will find out tonight - no Adams, no Lazard, no EQ. If we win w/o those three, you will be proven wrong. Very interesting moment for Pack. Tqo weeks from now Adams and EQ may be back 100% healthy but tonight will show us whether we really needed another top WR. Don't forget Funchess as something out of the Pack's control. He is a legit NFL WR. Could have helped a great deal.

Taylor and Sheppard may surprise tonight!

I'm taking ATL +7 to romp tonight but I'll wait till the game is over before I count my chickens. Who knows, maybe the Pack defense will finally wake up tonight. If they do, I think Pack has a 50--50 chance to win. If it is same as we have been witnessing last 3 weeks, tough to see Pack winning, let alone covering.

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SwedeBayPacker's picture

October 04, 2020 at 06:22 am

Sunday's game? Pretty sure they play on Monday.

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egbertsouse's picture

October 04, 2020 at 09:54 am

Against crappy teams early in the season MLF may be able to scheme his way to wins with these JAG WRs but the question is will he be able to do it in the 2nd half of the season against better teams with DCs who have watched all the film of the 1st half. I think they may need some better players at that point.

To all readers who are looking for completely objective analysis of the GBPackers: You are not going to find it on fan sites.

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PackerAaron's picture

October 05, 2020 at 01:06 am

To all readers who are looking for completely objective analysis: You won't find it in egbertsouse's comments.

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Harold Drake's picture

October 05, 2020 at 02:13 am

Some CHTV fans seem to get terribly angry when they read comments and often post nasty messages. I sympathise with what you have to go through on Twitter and Facebook. Football is fun - it's not real life - and we shouldn't treat it as life or death. It's a game! It's a wonderful to be able to indulge in an absurd passion for a football team and the kind of historic legacy that defines the Green Bay Packers. I share your enthusiasm. Keep up the great work. Go Pack Go.

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Archie's picture

October 05, 2020 at 10:10 am

Nagler lost all credibility when he stuck by MM/TT to the bitter end.

Packer fast start this season has made Nagler even more intolerant of other's views. He's a company man to the bitter end. Always was and always will be.

As to whether the Pack made the right decision in the draft, I think they did. The top tier of WRs was gone when the Pack selected in R1. Jordan Love is an amazing talent but he has a lot to learn about QB-ing. He is a mega investment in our future. Would Queen have been the better pick for winning now? Yes. Will Love over Queen be the better pick 10 years from now? That's the real question.

Dillon is another future pillar as is DeGuara. But that future may be much nearer than many fans think. Dillon and DeGuara may be mainstays of our offense beginning next season and even later this season. Heck, DeGuara may be already. Absent a major injury to Rodgers, Love was a down the road prospect from the moment they drafted him. But still, we have great QB depth now, something we had lacked for a long time.

Did I anticipate any of these picks on draft day? Absolutely not, at least not where they were drafted. But DeGuarra showed us in his first game that he was R3 worthy and is NFL ready. They are proceeding more slowly with Dillon because they have Jones/Williams and can afford to. Did they hit on their six picks after round 4? Sure looks like it. Tough to be too critical of this draft.

If the Pack can find a way to win tonight I don't see how any Packer fan can complain about anything.

And even if they don't win, they will be that much healthier two weeks from now and absent an unforeseeable crash, should make the big dance.

So let's enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts and wait to see how tonight goes before we continue "we need another WR" freak-out.

I wonder if Funchess is second-guessing his decision to opt out?

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fastmoving's picture

October 05, 2020 at 01:28 am

There is no completely objective analysis, but they are as close as it gets here.

And the WRs are one of the best spots on a good the team. Watching some games may help....

And most important, you cant call football players JAGs. Just you.......

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Lphill's picture

October 04, 2020 at 12:26 pm

How great would it have been had the Packers drafted the best available receiver in the first round instead of a clipboard holder ?

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PackerAaron's picture

October 05, 2020 at 01:05 am

They would have been even MORE 3-0 than they are now! Good point by you.

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Archie's picture

October 05, 2020 at 10:16 am

So all 3-0 teams are equal??? I don't think so.

WR doesn't strike me as the achilles heel of this team. It is defense. Too much talent to be so bad. Criticism should be focused on Pettine and his coaches. Our offense is now much greater than the sum of its parts while our defense is much less. Why? The answer to that question is the key to fixing the problem. If the defense turns it around, this team will be a juggernaut w/o having added a R1 WR. Does that not aswer that question!

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