Pack-A-Day Podcast - Episode 635 - Special Guest Ben Fennell

It's officially draft week! To get you prepared, Andy Herman is joined by special guest Ben Fennell to breakdown everything you need to know about this week's NFL Draft.

It's officially draft week! To get you prepared, Andy Herman is joined by special guest Ben Fennell to breakdown everything you need to know about this week's NFL Draft.

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Andy is a graduate of UW-Oshkosh and owns & operates the Pack-A-Day Podcast. Andy has taken multiple courses in NFL scouting and is an Editor for Packer Report. You can find him on WFRV's Green Bay Nation and every Friday on the Friday Film Room on WDUZ . Andy grew up in Green Bay and is a lifelong season ticket holder - follow him on Twitter @AndyHermanNFL!

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Turophile's picture

April 20, 2020 at 01:07 pm

Listening to these two guys talking sets my teeth on edge, even though there is really good stuff in this podcast, people they like and don't like.

What I don't like is Andy Herman agreeing with Ben Fennell on, well, everything.

Where is the disagreement, the conflicting view on a prospect ? I don't want to listen to the Fennell appreciation society, I want Herman to have his own views........ and from what I'm hearing that just isn't happening.

In short, very interesting podcast, but it's ok to disagree sometimes.

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AndyHerman's picture

April 20, 2020 at 11:34 pm

Thanks for listening, and I appreciate the feedback. Ultimately I didn't disagree with too much Ben had to say... had I, I probably would have at least brought up a differing point of view. Ultimately, you get to hear my takes every Monday, but when I have a guest on like Ben, my job is to ask questions and let him do his thing.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 20, 2020 at 01:56 pm

It's difficult not to agree with Ben Fennell on most of his takes - as his 'deeper dive' analysis is atypical of the usual made-for-media mock drafts and opinions. And I think his draft board is closer to Team boards than our amateur offerings. It seemed that A.H. may have agreed with everything from B.F. but I attribute it to professional courtesy and respect. There definitely was a difference of opinion about Ezra Cleveland - which is A.H's. choice at 30 while B.F. opined him as a 2/3 round pick (I also am not that high on Cleveland). In all, B.F. comments were certainly thought-provoking - which was facilitated by A.H. - which really was his primary role in this podcast.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 21, 2020 at 02:58 am

I have been downplaying the Claypools and Pittmans of the world. I've no interest in the Alshon Jeffrey clones. AR doesn't throw contested balls. That skillset is not that useful in GB.

I also appreciate noting that GB was 0-4 against teams that scored 25 points. GB needs to be able to win shootouts as well. I think GB is one dynamic WR (plus depth) away from having a terrific offense.

I wouldn't hate taking Josh Jones at pick 30, but I wouldn't love it. I'd be aghast at taking Austin Jackson at 30, or moving up into the teens or early twenties to take Jones, or worse, Jackson. I don't like taking Cleveland at 30 because it is a reach. I like Cleveland in the mid to late second.

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optimisticfan's picture

April 21, 2020 at 07:39 am

Some differing views from Ben Fennel’s take (just from a fan for the sake of conversation as Turophile suggests):

If BG and the Packers front office is truly forward thinking they will approach this draft with:
1) Top priority of BPA
2) Replacing as many 2021 FAs as they can (King, Linsley etc)
3) Drafting many different positions with their first 4 picks rather than doubling up at any position in the first 4 rounds (see #2)
4) Trade down out of round 1, but trade up in the 3rd likely to get a quality player who falls

The fallout from a rebound COVID19 pandemic this fall will likely effect the NFL and the economy significantly

Projections from medical experts:
1) Non-spectator games might be able to be played this fall IF they have reliable mass antibody testing so the 160-200 employees needed to make a game happen can come to the stadium (players, coaching staff, camera crew, security etc).
2) A mass produced reliable vaccine probably won’t be available for 1 year
3) Severely limited offseason
4) Possible truncated season? (i.e. 2 games cancelled or something)
5) Decreased revenue for teams
6) A recession is coming (hopefully small and 1-2 year temporary)
7) The Cap likely will not be expanded much at all (despite earlier projections in that economic climate)

This adds up in my mind to getting quality replacements for 2021 FAs they let walk or unfortunately need to be cap casualties. Smart so far of not resigning Clark and Bahk at least until after the draft and the likely financial climate closer to the season is known.

I agree with Fennell on trading down being a tremendous move this year to gain more 1-4 round picks. I do not think it would be wise to draft more than 2 WRs as that would limit other positions they could replace.

If trade down in 1st get an extra 2nd and 4th, something like:
2) CB
2) OT
3) WR
4) ILB
4) TE
5) run stuffing DL
6) WR
6) RB
6) Super Developmental swing OT?
7) Developmental Backup QB
7) Whomever

If I had to guess what BG might do it would be something like trade down in 1st get an extra 2nd and 4th and then up in 3rd with a 5th, 6th and a 7th? Could be worth it, though being more like Seattle 2019 this year may be a better long term financial move.

Another differing thought from Fennell: Cesar Ruiz would be worth considering if he falls to 30:

May be able to let Taylor go this year and not resign Linsley next year if Cesar Ruiz is the pick.

Without trades draft could go:

1) OL (Cesar Ruiz C/G)
2) DL (Davon Hamilton or Raekwon Davis)
3) ILB (Logan Wilson or Jordyn Brooks)
4) WR (Darnell Mooney, Quartney Davis or John Hightower) or TE (Dalton Keene or Josiah Deguara) or backup QB (Tyler Huntley)

5 on BPA with a blocking TE if not taken earlier, developmental backup swing OT, runstuffing DL prospect, another WR, RB, developmental backup QB likely

FYI, Info on what it takes to develop an effective safe vaccine that can be mass manufactured in 12 months (see link). On the plus side with so many international companies working on a vaccine the odds might be better than a developmental 4th round OT becoming a starter:
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/there-are-reasons-to-be-optim...

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April 21, 2020 at 10:56 pm

One of the best comments I have ever read! Not that I don't have some quibbles, including not taking a WR until the 4th or 5th. I really think the offense is one dynamic WR away from being terrific.

It may be that taking BPA and drafting to replace possible free agent losses in 2021 but it need not. It depends on how the draft unfolds.

Ruiz in interesting. He would not be a reach on talent at 30, but he might not last until then since there are only three really interesting centers in the draft. Cushenberry is a mid-2nd rounder and Biadasz is probably early to late 3rd.

Ruiz could start at center or guard fairly early in 2020. He would make Taylor expendable through trade or release. Turner would be the swing tackle if necessary. GB would get Taylor's $4M and not have to resign Linsley. Well, if things go well.

CB, ILB and DL are concerns. Have to hit in this draft.

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