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OT Bryan Bulaga and LB Nick Perry to begin training camp on PUP list

-- There should be more reps for a couple backups on Thursday when the Green Bay Packers hold their first training camp practice of the year.

According to Field Yates of ESPN, both offensive tackle Bryan Bulaga and outside linebacker Nick Perry will enter camp on the PUP (physically unable to perform) list.

Bulaga's spot on the list was essentially reserved -- and expected -- after he tore his ACL last season and had season-ending knee surgery. He's likely to enter the season still on the list and would need to be activated back to the 53-man roster within the first six weeks of the regular season.

Perry, however, is the surprise of the two.

Perry missed the team's offseason program with an ankle injury, and while some reports are citing a hand injury being the reason behind Perry's status on the PUP, others are reporting it's the same ankle ailment from the spring.

No one will know for sure until the team's first practice at 11:30 a.m. on Thursday. Until then, coach Mike McCarthy told reporters on Wednesday that he won't know the overall health of his team until the day of the first practice.

Players were taking physicals as early as 6 a.m. on Wednesday, so PUP news was expected.

Perry has yet to play a 16-game season in his career and has dealt with hand injuries in the past, even having to sport a bulky club towards the end of the 2016 season. 

Perry is expected to be ready for the start of the regular season, which is a relief considering the state of the Packers' edge-rushing unit. Outside of Perry, Clay Matthews spearheads the charge with Vince Biegel and Reggie Gilbert as the presumed backups.

Placing both Bulaga and Perry on the PUP list was as expected as it was a formality. If either one of them practiced at any point during camp, they would be ineligible for the PUP designation.

Once either one of them is activated within the first six weeks of the regular season, the Packers will have a five-week window to allow them to begin practicing. From the day they do, they'll have another three-week window to determine whether they'll be upgraded to the active roster or not.

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Zachary Jacobson is a staff writer/reporter for Cheesehead TV and a contributor/analyst for the Pack-A-Day Podcast. He can be found on Twitter via @ZachAJacobson or contacted through email at [email protected].

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Tundraboy's picture

Oh brother!. I'm not having a good week. Yankees,Sanchez loafing now hurt. And now this.

Bearmeat's picture

File this under #AsExpected. Sigh. The fact is that OLB is the single worst position on the team.

We right now have Perry, who has lost more than half his games in his career to injuries (I didn't look this up, but it's got to be at least close to true), CM3, who hasn't been the same since he signed his mega-deal in after the 2013 year (which is fishy - I've got my suspicions), Vince Biegel, who singlehandedly must be keeping all the podiatrists in Green Bay working 24/7, Reggie Gilbert, the newest UDFA darling in a long string of them going back to 2009, a 7th round pick who won't make the team, and camp bodies!

If Perry played literally any other position, I think he would have been cut last offseason. His salary has not ever come close to justifying his production over the course of a full year. I would say the same thing about CM3, although his history complicates that somewhat. And anyone placing a ton of hope in Biegel, Gilbert, et al either doesn't know the odds that 4th round draft picks and below ever becoming average starters, or they're conveniently ignoring those known stats because they have fan goggles on.

Hard Truth: The OLB position on this team flat out sucks right now. And it's not going to get better until next year. If the defense is successful, it will be in spite of the OLB position and not because of it. At least outside pass rush quality doesn't have a strong correlation to defensive success. Oh wait.

White _tornado's picture

WHAT? You dont have confidence in Biegel? But but he played at Wisconsin, that means he has got to be good!

Bearmeat's picture

lol. like I mentioned "fan goggles"

dobber's picture

I like him so much that my fantasy team is named "A Flock of Biegels".

Bearmeat's picture

lol beautiful

GBPDAN1's picture

It's sad but true, Bearmeat's Phan.

The Outside LB position on this team was problematic last year and there were no upgrade changes to that position for this year. This is very unfortunate. I hope Perry is healthy for the opener of the season as we play two division rivals out of the gate. These are basically must win home games to increase our chances of winning the division.
The Viking game is so huge and having Perry on defense for that game would be very beneficial.

I wonder if the packers would have taken Harold Landry in the 2nd round had Tennessee not drafted him 3 picks prior to the packers pick?

Its unfortunate that free agency didn't pan out for an OLB or that it was a weak draft for the position. Time will only tell if we should have taken Davenport at 14? The way it worked out we could of still had a good CB in the 2nd rd. had we taken Davenport. ( I'm good with BG's decision as we landed Alexander (another big need) and an additional 1st for next year). But, I will be monitoring the outcome of this situation.

The bottom line is that this team has had a need for steady OLB play for the last few years. Injury prone Perry, injury prone and fading CM3 along with no quality backups has limited our D badly. TT failed regarding this issue for the last 4 years and because TT caused a disaster at CB, BG had to concentrate on that position, also, and left him short handed.

I'm so glad TT is no longer GM!!!!

Nick Perry's picture

Not to throw more gasoline on the fire but in 2012 Thompson could have taken Harrison Smith at a position of NEED in 2012 instead of Perry and then drafted Oliver Vernon in the 2nd instead of Worthy or even Hayward even though Hayward was a solid pick. Thompson just F'ed that up a few years later. I mean Perry even said he'd rather play on a 4-3 team. Nope instead Thompson moved up for Worthy and then took McMillian in the 4th who last all of what...2 years and sucked the whole time.

2012 was really the beginning of the end for Thompson. The writing was on the wall in bright red letters yet noting was done. Errrr...What a dump truck he was for YEARS!

IMO that's EXACTLY why Tennessee moved up to draft Landry. I think Gutekunst would have taken him had he been there though I'm happy with Jackson. IMO both will be solid Pros.

GBPDAN1's picture

Agreed, NP. And what's even more frustrating is that for the amount of money being paid for the 2 starters at OLB , the return on investment is absolutely terrible. Those 2 contracts are huge. Neither player has lived up to his latest contract .

We also could of had TJ Watt in last years draft had TT not drafted Randell and Rollins to solve the CB problem at the time. TJ is not Von Miller, but I think he's going to improve with experience.

Actually, if TT would have done a better job filling the CB position at the time by not taking a chance on a bad attitude safety (Randell) and a basketball player (Rollins) to fill the CB position, we could have rolled the dice on Davenport this year. Those 2 picks have had a cascade effect on our D roster. CB was a critical need going into the 2018 draft and effected our ability to address our problematic issue at OLB.

Thanks, Ted. (Major Sarcasm) !

porupack's picture

Getting rid of Hayward (a proven CB) started the most recent avalanche effect across the D; it necessitated 2 high picks for Rollins/Randall instead of LB, TE positions. Then when those didn't work, 2 more high picks means that again other positions weren't getting the high investment. Goes to show, all picks are a gamble, and its normal for the percentage to be far under 100%. All the more egregious that TT parted with Hayward. I knew that very day that that was bad mistake and TT was a liability.

dobber's picture

IIRC, Randall and Rollins were drafted and played a year before Hayward left...their rookie campaigns, I think, were part of what allowed Hayward to be let go.

carlos's picture

Outside LB’s. The defense’s Achilles heal. Not surprised about Perry. Rather expected it. Maybe time to move on from him. Can’t do it this year, but time will tell. How many games will he suit up??

The TKstinator's picture

Achilles “heal”, and Perry out with an ankle injury.
I like what you did there.

Rebecca's picture

he will not wear his football suit again as a pyacker

The TKstinator's picture

What chew talkin’ bout, Becca?

Rebecca's picture

Perry be done wit football.

Tarynfor12's picture

I can't get to the casino fast enough to collect my prop bet that Nick Perry WOULD NOT be healthy come training camp.
Never has there been a more predictable wager for a win.
100-1 odds and with my yearly predictions for Perry since being drafted and being correct...this was a no risk bet.
I cannot believe he still has supporters while beginning another season collecting free paychecks.
Let get him extended again...I have more bets to pursue concerning him.

Nick Perry's picture

How about your predictions regarding Frackrell?

Tarynfor12's picture

I conceded on Fackrell long ago but and I have proclaimed my thinking of Perry since before and after he was drafted. Still to this day to nearly all, I have to defend my position. Even you would still have faith in Perry had he not be Pup'ed or when he looks good for 1 game and disappears for weeks afterwards.
I have also said he would be better used in a 4-3 defense and perhaps Pettine will use him more to his ability, but for 6 years I have been 90% correct on Perry and most other still think his easy and early 3 sack game vs a pitiful Redskin team makes him look great or how well he sets the edge vs the run...he isn't a $12 mill per run stopper or edge setter either.
No matter what you say to me about Fackrell, it fails in anyone's defense of Perry...period.
We got taken with his new contract and he likely hurts himself laughing about it every payday.

Bearmeat's picture

You were right about Perry, Taryn.

But please provide a link that displays you disavowing your Fackrell love. I never saw it.

Tarynfor12's picture

I believe I conceded that point to you and others,likely Nick Perry here also last year in one of our disagreements...I have no need to bookmark comments as many seem to do. You can check if wish.

Bearmeat's picture

lol.

Rebecca's picture

You are my Packers authority.

Tarynfor12's picture

Perhaps Perry heard McCarthy saying it was going to be a " highly competitive " camp and passed out and hurt his__ or__ or__ or__ or.......

White _tornado's picture

2 members of the FOREVER INJURED 5 already out, whos next?
1 Cobb
2 Ty Montgomery
3 CM3

I gotta go with Montgomery.

Bert's picture

Tough call but I'm betting on CM3s hammy. Right or left hammy? Now that's a tough call....

Tarynfor12's picture

I hedged my Matthews bet...either hammy gets me a win. : )

GBPDAN1's picture

Fabio's hammy

ShanghaiKid's picture

Montgomery has stayed healthy during camps traditionally, it’s the regular season that does him in same with Cobb. I’ll take CM’s Hammies for 1000 Tornado.

White _tornado's picture

Im on a roll here, ive given thumbs up to every above post on this thread so far.

Since '61's picture

Perry is injured??!!! How unusual! Why do we continue to waste cap space on this guy? Even when he is healthy he makes a play or two and then disappears for several games. Then he makes another play or 2 and is injured again. And on and on.

I don't know what his cap hit would be (TGR probably knows) but can we chuck this guy and just move on? With his injury history we can't get anything back if we trade him, unless of course we package him with Hundley. LOL. Then maybe we could get 2 practice footballs.
You can't make this stuff up. Thanks, Since '61

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

$19M dead money. Since it is post-June, $8M Dead Money hit in 2018 but a $2.75M cap savings, but that still leaves an $11M dead money hit in 2019. He isn't going anywhere.

IDK, I just wish he'd be healthy for the playoffs. I mean, if he is only going to be healthy for 8 games (I think he is an above average pass-rushing OLB when healthy), I sure wish it would be for the last 3 or 4 playoff games and the end of the season.

Since '61's picture

TGR - again, thanks for responding. You're correct he is not going anywhere with those cap hits. As for the playoffs he has 7 sacks and 20 solo tackles in his 8 career playoff games. Not terrible but he hasn't taken over a game yet either.

Maybe, just maybe he will play better in Pettine's system. We'll see, but he needs to stay healthy first, if that's even possible for him. Thanks, Since '61

Tarynfor12's picture

He did jump offsides vs SF and gave them a go ahead TD instead of a FG and then Hyde got blamed for the loss because the possible INT skimmed his finger tips in freezing cold.

ShanghaiKid's picture

@taryn I still think Hyde’s miss of a pretty makeable interception is more egregious than Perry jumping offsides. I would say it’s probably worse than Shields missed INT vs AZ at the goal line.

Tarynfor12's picture

I'll respect your opinion but if I remember right, Perry jumping off sides for no reason other than being a dumb thing,since it didn't put SF ahead with that FG, kind of makes Hyde's miss INT something that never should have come to happen. That penalty lost the game...not Hyde.

Since '61's picture

Taryn - I was trying not to count plays that he has made for our opponents.
But you are correct his offsides penalty against SF ultimately cost us that game. Thanks, Since '61

Tarynfor12's picture

Since 61',
I also didn't want to count plays he made for the opponents, but looking for game winning plays for the Packers would be much harder to do...actually it isn't...he made none.

The thing that gets me most about Perry defenders is how they don't realize about LB play with him or without doesn't change and why I have such an issue with paying him when the back ups gave as much. If names weren't are the jerseys, and based on visible performance, he doesn't make himself stand out. : )

Tundraboy's picture

That's what it has come to. Hoping the few games the 5 are healthy and productive coincides with a stretch run and postseason.

Bearmeat's picture

So, can Gute cut Perry after this year???? PLEASE?

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

No. This was a very team unfriendly deal. Loads of dead money right through 2020. I was resigned to having to overpay Perry since there were few options at the time, and while the AAV could have been worse, the structure really stuck it to GB.

We'd still have to eat $11M. Worse, Perry has a $4.8M signing bonus due on the 3rd league day of 2019. GB would have to release Perry right away (before the draft - so we don't know which players are available to replace Perry). It also means the bonus is due on the 3rd day of FA, meaning GB would have to reach an understanding with any potential FA during the legal tampering period and strike one day 1 or 2 of FA. That could be done, but signing FAs on day one or two usually ain't cheap, and is probably moot since pass-rushing OLBs aren't normally available in FA anyway.

Bearmeat's picture

So much for the genius of Russ Ball. Ugh.

White _tornado's picture

We have already decided the most any team would give for Hundley would be a ham sandwich. If we threw in Perry I wonder if we could get that sandwich with cheese?

Tarynfor12's picture

At Packers Talk site, the question was trading for Earl Thomas. I said sure,offer a 3rd rd pick but they have to take Perry or Matthews,preferably Perry though.

Fordham Ram's picture

Last year he finished the season playing with a club hand, this year we'll see him start he season playing with a club foot. The hand writing was on the wall even from before these injuries with this guy, were we so desperate at the position we said so what, pay the man we have no one else, seems that way.

The TKstinator's picture

I’ll have a club soda.

Bearmeat's picture

gross

The TKstinator's picture

Oops!
Forgot to mention generous amount of vodka with that.

Bearmeat's picture

less gross. although I'd do gin.

PAPackerbacker's picture

Imagine that, More injuries to players who seem to make a career out of being injured. Training camp has just begun and here we go again, injuries already. What will happen when the regular season starts? Maybe a little competition will settle the issue of who starts and who goes. You can't make an impact on the team based on what you did last year. Being constantly injured is not helping the Packers chances of moving forward. And being injured already at the start of training camp? Really?

Lphill's picture

No surprise here I was never a big fan of Perry's, but I wonder if we should have gone after Conor Barwin the Giants always seem to land veteran guys that contribute.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I think Barwin might be done. PFF gave him a poor grade (42). I think we have multiple prospects that can play as well and probably better than that.

Moreover, we could probably spend up to $5M on a FA or FAs this summer. I'd like more bang per cap dollar than Barwin seems likely to provide.

Savage57's picture

Nick Perry is just another exhibit why fully guaranteed contracts in the NFL are a horrible idea.

RCPackerFan's picture

Bulaga was to be expected. Most figured he would start the year on the pup list.

Perry though... that was surprising.
The one good thing about missing Perry is it gives Gilbert, Biegel and others a lot more opportunities.

The other good thing with Perry being injured now is that I would rather him miss now then later in camp/preseason.

That being said, its not a good thing overall. Top talent at the position is left to just Mathews now with significant playing time. Thats not good.
I woudln't be surprised if Gutekunst started looking for more OLB's, whether its now or after cut downs.

dobber's picture

I agree: Perry was going to practice, but likely not play hardly any preseason snaps until game 3, anyway. Those other players were going to get their snaps.

I won't worry about Perry until we hit the third preseason game. If he's not at least practicing at that point, then the Packers need to dial up a trade or do something to shore up the OLB position. I would argue they should do that anyway.

RCPackerFan's picture

I look at it if it saves Perry from getting hurt, ok, that is a good thing.

I agree. That 3rd preseason game will be the point when I start getting worried.

I do think they will be looking for some veteran help.

Rebecca's picture

If Perry is a liability with his still injured hand, why play him at all? I'll call the Packers and tell Murphy to not play Nick Perry until he has at least another season to heal.

RCPackerFan's picture

Everything that I have heard about Perry so far is that its his ankle that is keeping him out. I guess his hand is fine. But we will find that out at some point.

White _tornado's picture

I hope i dont jinx it, but I expect Biegel to have the proverbial setback within a week or 2.

Since '61's picture

A toasted Beigel with a schmere please. Thanks, Since '61

Bearmeat's picture

Dear RC, I mean Mr. "Pony Sparkle Man" :D

"Top talent at the position is left to just Mathews"

Nope. Just nope. It has been 6 years since Matthews could even come close to being called "top talent." He's barely a red-chip player now.

The cupboard is bare at OLB. We literally do not have 1 "pretty good" NFL player at that position.

porupack's picture

BMP:
That's a reasonable assessment of GB's LBs being below average.

But just as reasonable is that OLBs were a split second from numerous sacks, because Capers left whole chunks of turf undefended....so opposing QBs could always elude the sack.

We'll have a more accurate assessment how talented/lack of talent the OLBs when they are in at least an average defense scheme. Give Pettine a chance, and with better CB talent, we might realize the true level of the OLBs are quite higher than the fanbase believes at this 'Darkest of Hours' PUP announcement. :)

This is the time of year for optimism folks. It just wasn't a good year to invest in OLBs and Gute did right by focus on WR and CB.

RCPackerFan's picture

I agree with much of what you said Porupack.

Capers scheme was old and stale. Changing the DC could be the biggest move they made this year.

I really like that Gutekunst drafted both Alexander and Jackson, as well as a first round next year.

Tarynfor12's picture

Agree....but the moment Perry steps on the field......we'll have the most best-est OLB group in the NFL...especially when he gets a sack and disappears for three games. : )

RCPackerFan's picture

Bearmeat... Please take off the aluminum foil hat. Its blocking your ability to see the truth. :)

Believe it or not Mathews is still a top talent. He doesn't have the sacks but in the game of football its not just about sacks. Its all the other things and little things. Mathews does them as well as anyone.

But honestly I was just referring to 2 starting caliber players... Mathews and Perry.

While the OLB's are thin, I'm not overly concerned right now. Assuming Perry will be back by the start of the season, they should have both of those guys.
But the other reason why I'm not concerned is because of Pettine. He will adjust his defense to the strengths and minimize its weaknesses. If they don't have the OLB's they will find ways to use other players. They will probably use a lot more 3 and 4 man DL sets.
Lets remember that the defense will be different this year. This isn't Capers old scheme.

The depth isn't very good. I do like Biegel and think he will be good. And I do like what Gilbert did last year. But they aren't proven. That is the biggest concern.

White _tornado's picture

None of us know whag to expect from Pettine. Every day someone says that he will adjust his schemes for the talent that he has. Everyone said the same thing about Capers a few years ago. Lets just stop with the assumptions until we see it!

RCPackerFan's picture

Except we aren't assuming anything becasue we have seen what Pettine has done with his former defenses. And he has talked about it as well.

No we don't know what to expect with Pettine and the Packers defense. But he has repeatedly said that he will adjust his scheme to what he has, vs trying to make what he doesn't have fit his scheme.

White _tornado's picture

By that logic,ive also seen MM stand up at the podium and say " we're going to get this fixed" and " I have alot of confidence in BH" and "Dom.Capers is a damn fine coach".blah blah blah mindless generic coachspeak.

Hawg Hanner's picture

Agree it is good to get Perry back later so he can be injured again later. He has to count as a another bust Thompson pick. A plugger but not worth the pick or the contract. No matter how much motor he has proven so vulnerable,

Guam's picture

Gute couldn't fix all of the holes in one year and OLB is the glaring remaining hole. Fortunately we do have two first rounders next year which should provide some ammunition with which we can fix this problem.

I don't know what next year's draft class looks like, but with the current talent on our D-line, we could have the option of drafting more defensive lineman and returning to a 4-3 defense rather than continuing the search for 3-4 OLBs. Not sure that would be the right move, but food for thought.

sonomaca's picture

Some teams go with strong pass rush/weak corner play combo.

Packers have chosen the opposite. That’s OK, because going to get good push up the middle, which may compensate for lack of EDGE talent (to some extent).

Nononsense's picture

I don't mind that Perry is missing the start of camp, hes still healing from ankle surgery so at least it's not a new injury. With him not practicing, his chances of getting injured again decrease with every day he misses.

The guys behind him need all the reps they can get anyway so Gute can get an idea what kind of depth they have there.

Tundraboy's picture

Maybe we should just keep Matthews and Perry in storage until the season starts. Not like they need to learn the plays or what to do. Might as well let the guys who will inevitably have to fill in get their work in.

PatrickGB's picture

I don’t fault a player who is injured. It’s not like he DECIDED to be hurt. I hear conflicting reports on what it is. Hand? Foot? In any case it doesn’t matter as long as being careful now helps down the road. Perhaps it’s simply precautionary so he doesn’t have to deal with it during the season. Sort of like Biegel’s surgery on his other foot. Something precautionary. Training camp PUP is not IR. Let’s wait and see before we get all hissy.

The TKstinator's picture

I’m curious to see HOW and WHEN this (these?) happened.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

First half of the December 17, 2017 game against Carolina. Perry did not return for the 2nd half, and actually didn't play another snap that season.

dobber's picture

After that loss an the decision to shelf ARod for the remainder of the season, there were several regulars who didn't play again. I don't know how many of them would have been able to grit it out if they'd beaten Carolina and stayed alive in the playoff hunt.

porupack's picture

As frustrating as the news, the fan base has gotten a little quick to grab their stones at any unfortunate news. Let em drop guys, really. Let em drop.

I'll get harsh on irresponsible management/coaches, but not disrespecting players unless some lazy diva. Perry nor CM yet deserve the BS. The burden of proof still rests first on Pettine/MM/Gute. If they finally implement a season of good work, then we can evaluate individual players more accurately. Till now, the management has put together an inconsistent performing product.

Very much agree PGB; packers and perry are doing the responsible thing to ensure he is healthy.

All said, ever since the draft, I have been hopeful that GB would make a FA signing at that position, if not OL.

The TKstinator's picture

Michael Jackson used to grab his stones too much.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I have seen some libelous comments on Perry and CM3, Porupack. Just note that many don't stigmatize the character of Perry or CM3, but just question their value to the team due to frequent unavailability. Certainly, both guys played through pain. CM3 played with one arm, but he was not very effective.

I loved Abby and thought he could have a long NFL career. Thing is, his frame just couldn't take the NFL pounding. It isn't a character flaw, just an inability to stay on the field reliably.

cheesehead1's picture

I like Perry, but unfortunately he’s injury prone. Whatever the issue is this time, hope it doesn’t linger. Time for Biegel to step up.

dobber's picture

Interesting that apparently in his presser this morning MM said that he expects BOTH Perry and Bulaga to be ready for week 1 of the regular season. Maybe I misread that (I was reading Tom Silverstein's tweets). Can someone back that up?

Still...I know better than to trust anything MM says in a presser.

Chuck Farley's picture

If he is still out after last season with something to do with ankle then it has to be ligaments. Broken ankles heal fast, streched ligs can take three months but torn ligs require surgery and take forever to heal.
Problem with that its recurring and easily recurring. Bad oweees for sure

Rebecca's picture

ankle injuries are no big deal, they heal overnight.
hand injuries are bs unless you're a qb or rb or pass catching dude
these guys are faking it and not making it
cut matthews, perry, bulaga, montgomery
all overpaid and under performing or not healthy enough to play tackle football

dobber's picture

Montgomery's on his rookie deal...he gets paid next to nothing. He's worth waiting on.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Okay, Porupack, I concede as to this particular comment.

Oppy's picture

Ankles heal overnight? LOLOLOLOL
-Oppy

Grandfathered's picture

I wish the writers - maybe during the offseason - would do an analysis about the Packers and injuries compared to other teams. In 2013 we heard a littkle about the new GPS and some players made news for trying yoga, but generally MM and crew have been of the mindset "injuries happen" rather than proactively trying to incorporate technology and find new ways to reduce injuries.

Oppy's picture

Grandfathered, I highly doubt that your assessment that the Packers have not been proactivley trying to find news ways to reduce injuries is accurate.

MM has always run a considerably progressive program. Packers' self-scout and end of year complete assessment of the program leads to many changes and tweaks the following season in pursuit of building on what worked and changing what didn't.

I would be surprised to find that the Packers training room has remained stagnant over MM's tenure.

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