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From Bedard:

Prosecutors in Houston intend to present evidence that Jolly was an active participant in the drug trade from approximately 2006 through May of 2008 during his upcoming codeine possession trial.

Much has to happen yet, obviously, and he's innocent until proven guilty.

But I'll be shocked if Johnny Jolly plays another down for the Green Bay Packers.

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ZeroTolerance's picture

Anyone still feel like supporting Jolly? I know - innocent until proven guilty. There had to have been an overiding reason why prosecutors have kept up there pursuit all this time. I don't think 'star status' will help with this trouble.

ZeroTolerance's picture

'their' pursuit.

DaveK's picture

It just went from a guy being over-charged for 10-parts kool-aid to 1-parts codeine to being "an active participant in the drug trade". Over-zealous prosecutor or is Jolly really that big a turd? If true, I formally nominate Jolly for the NFL's stupidest player of the decade.

Wiscokid's picture

Really,more stupid than Pacman Jones? That guy tried putting a "contract" out on another person. I don't disagree that Jolly is pretty stupid but the bar is set pretty high for that award.

NickGBP's picture

There's no doubt now that the Packers drafted 5,000 lineman because they're going to get rid of Jolly.

NickGBP's picture

I wish that they had done it earlier before this all was official. Now they're going to get nothing.

FITZCORE1252's picture

..."Michelle E. Beck, Jolly's defense attorney, said that the document includes only "vague allegations" and that the fact that prosecutors filed it does not prove anything. She said Jolly has never previously been convicted on any crime.

"I could file a notice of intent to prove I'm Santa Claus, but that doesn't mean it's true," she said."...

It doesn't look good, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.


nypacker's picture

Cue all the TT haters:

"Another wasted pick by our wonderful GM."

"He should've known what he was dealing with. I thought this guy only lets 'packer people' on the team."

"Should've kept Brett Favre."

Seriously though, Jolly has yet to end up with a clear cut sentence and his trial is taking forever. I believe the prosecution brought up Jolly's previous accusations because they know they don't have enough evidence from this incident to really make a case. That is why they went back to his 2006-2008 records to try strengthening this one. Talk about making a mountain from a molehill.

PackersRS's picture

Just one thing.

He's a multimillion dollar football player.

Why in the world would he sell drugs???

FITZCORE1252's picture

You can take the G out the hood, can't take the hood out the G.

PackersRS's picture

Cmon man. I understand he hangs around those guys. But to actually participate in it, regularly???

But then again, they have to prove he actually sold the drugs, and wasn't just around...

FITZCORE1252's picture

I don't know dude. That's all I can think of. Old habits die hard.

dilligaff's picture

This proves nothing, what new evidence do they have?

Our laws are not realistic, if I have a certain amount (ounces) of a banded substance,then by law I am dealing (selling) by exceeding their predetermined amount.

Kind of like saying 7 cans of beer is all anyone can drink, any more than 7 cans of beer in my possession and I am a dealer in beer by having a case in my possession, regardless of having any evidence of me selling the beer, having more than 7 beers is all the evidence they need in a court of law to convict me.

Thats the said truth, our drug laws leave a lot to be desired.

Bottom line Jolly is either not well liked down there or they are just trying to make an example of him because he has some status as an NFL player.

retiredgrampa's picture

Let's hope that the D.A. hasn't flipped one of Jolly's "friends". The rat could then accuse Jolly of everything imaginable and might be believed.

bomdad's picture

If I recall correctly, the other occupants of the vehicle were cleared. Jolly was cited because the cup was in his holder. All he has to do is pay off one of the occupants to take the fall.

As for being an active drug trafficker? He'd have to be running his ring from Green Bay. Sounds flimsy.

nerdmann's picture

Jolly was charged, because he was the "driver." (Of a PARKED car.) Four black guys sitting in a parked car is reasonable suspicion, right?
Then "the odor of codeine" (which is odorless) was probable cause. Then they put it all on Jolly, because he was "driving." (A parked car.)
None of this new "evidence" can be admitted unless Jolly's lawyer opens the door by making it relevant in some way.
HOWEVER, I will say this. There have been rumblings in the media that the Packers brass are "concerned" about Jolly and the decisions he makes. This to me, goes beyond just what he might be found guilty of. NFL security knows whats going on with these dudes.

packeraaron's picture

Um, easily Oliver Stone. It wasn't the "odor of codeine" - it was odor of pot.

CSS's picture

The police involved were multi-racial, the could smell pot coming out of the open windows and could hear the music blasting a block away. Quite the braintrust residing in the vehicle there.

nerdmann's picture

I've heard "odor of codeine."

nerdmann's picture
Jolly was arrested after police "smelled the strong odor of codeine" in cups in the vehicle, according to the police report.
Jolly was arrested on a charge of possession of a controlled substance after police "smelled the strong odor of codeine" in cups in the vehicle, according to the police report.
Jolly was arrested after police “smelled the strong odor of codeine” in cups in the vehicle, according to the police report.
Jolly, 27, was arrested on a charge of possession of a controlled substance after police “smelled the strong odor of codeine” in cups in the vehicle, according to the police report.

packeraaron's picture

Well damn. ;)

Interesting though that the last link says the car was "in a parking lot" and then the next sentence says a patrol "pulled the car over" - huh?

nerdmann's picture

Most of what I have read indicate that they were parked outside a club. Notice also that the articles say the codeine was in "cups." Which is plural. So to put this all on Jolly is not really right, although it may be technically legal.
I just think he walks. If the prosecutor had a case, Jolly would've pled long ago.

Ron LC's picture

Never been charged in Texas, I assume. It's more Judge Roy Bean than Judge Ginsburg.

CSS's picture

I read the articles, the cops smelled codeine once they were in the car. They didn't 'search' the vehicle because of 'the odor of codeine.'

nerdmann's picture

Codeine has no odor.

packeraaron's picture

Neither does Iocane powder.

CSS's picture

“Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line”! Vizzini (Princess Bride)

packeraaron's picture

Glad SOMEONE got it... ;)

CSS's picture

Codeine itself, no. But when mixed it contains a 'medicinary' smell:

They are substituting 'codeine' where they shouldn't in the reporting, but the officers in question smelled the mixture. Considering the circumstances wouldn't you get up close to an open liquid in a the vehicle in question?

nerdmann's picture

Heheheh. You can smell cough syrup, but cough syrup ain't illegal. I think he walks on this, just seems like a real weak case to me.
On the other hand, the new questions about Jolly do seem a bit disturbing.

VApackerfan's picture

Vick had no problem running a dog fighting ring from another state which profited hundreds of thousands of dollars.

PackersRS's picture


But he had an entire, massive organization. He didn't arrange dog fights here and there...

VApackerfan's picture

Apparently he did, and arranged for certain dogs to be executed upon poor performance, but that's a whole other issue...

PackersRS's picture

No, what I meant was that he didn't casually conduct dogfights. He did it in a regular basis, with huge amounts of profit and a very complex operation.

Jolly's case would be of a casual drug traffic, not of a druglord...

JohnRehor's picture

Jolly is innocent until proven guilty, but the more info that comes out, the more it seems unlikely he is going to get out of this situation without at least a suspension. One has to wonder at what point they will pull their tender and let him walk.

McCarthy talks about "Packer People" and I don't think an alleged drug dealer on your roster qualifies as this. The Packers don't need this kind of distraction heading into the season. The last time there was this kind of distraction was 08, and we know how that ended.

Let him walk.

Ron LC's picture

None of us knows the real story. In my life time I've never heard a defense attorney say, "Yah, my client is a dumbass idiot." In Texas, if a crime gets as far as trial, conviction is highly probable. His only chance then becomes a hung jury and eventual mistrial. That still leaves him with the NFL policy to deal with.
The "rich football player" excuse falls apart after you ask this question, how do you explain PacMan? Rich entertainers do not guarentee IQ above grapefruit.
Whatever happens I just want the Packers to be out of this story. As a long time TT detractor, I find that his moves are well justified in the draft and adjustments to the Dline. Now that the whole story is coming out.

PackersRS's picture

But pacman was charged with possession, assault and vandalism (multiple times, all of the forementioned...), but not with selling drugs...

I get that players are dumb, and are gonna do drugs, and act recklessly, and even be douches.

But I don't think selling drugs is fun. And he doesn't need rep. The only reason he would do it would be money... And, unless he's a druglord, he wouldn't get much by dealing, not close to what he earns as a football player...

I think it's like dilligaff said, it's about the amount of drugs he was with, and maybe he was around his homies when THEY were dealing, so the D.A. is trying to force him into that category...

Ron LC's picture

Yeah, the DA is grouping him with the Houston Thugs. That would be an accessory to a felony, also a felony. I think it's apparent GB has given up on him already.

And he only has himself to blame. If they had gone for a plea deal this would have ended 18 months ago. He'd have received no jail time a fine and some probation. The Nfl would have got him for two to four games. And it would already be over. There is obviuosly an issue that prevented that option. It seems his attorney is hell bent on a jury trial. It may work.
but the penalties related to the charges could really hammer his life forever. I think if he had a good attorney things might have been different.

Matthew's picture

As for the football part of Jolly, I think he is good not great. He did make some great plays last year and does have an uncanny knack for getting his hands on the ball. However, i do think he is replaceable. He wasn't very adept at collapsing the pocket or rushing the passer. In a contract year I would like to have him on the team and "motivated".

For the locker-room aspect, I have heard here and I belive from Wilde that there are some lockerroom concerns with Jolly. Now I don't know to what degree he is or isn't a prblem or if his teammates like him.

The legal aspect (Have a parent who has worked in the justice system in Milwaukee for many years. Also have very, very close friends who are inner city cops. So I am coming to this discussion with these experiences. Now this deosn't mean my point is any more valid or invalid....just want to share my thoughts and experiences.

I don't think this new aspect shes any new light. The proscuters office has been leaking information throughout this ordeal in an effort to try the case in the papers.
- pictures of Jolly on promo posters
- "failing" a lie detctor test
- constant leaks of his crew and their criminal beavior.

Now Jolly may very well be guilty, but to me it sounds like an over zealous prosecutor. Jolly for his part doesnt seem like e made the situation any easier for himself. This seems like a cas that should have been pleaded out without the need to go to court. It seems on the surface that Jolly must have a few enemies or at least some people who don't like him very much.

Boothie's picture

Bedard has posted a new Q & A that gives additional information. One thing stated in the blog is that the prosecutor is not a guy who does alot of bluffing. I personally agree with Aaron... I think that Jolly is toast and will not play for the Packers again. Regardless of whether or not he's found guilty. He is Guilty... of stupidity if nothing else.

Not real bright to put yourself in this position.

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