Mike Pettine's fate still unresolved

Matt LaFleur indicates he is still reviewing his staff during end-of-year press conference. 

Given the opportunity to give his defensive coordinator a public vote of confidence, Packers head coach Matt LaFleur punted. 

"We're still working through everything right now," answered LaFleur when asked during his end-of-year press conference if he planned on sticking with Mike Pettine. 

The head coach later indicated that he'd be speaking with President and CEO Mark Murphy once his review of the staff was complete to talk about any potential changes. 

Reading between the lines, it sure seems like LaFleur could be ready to move on from the defensive coordinator he inherited and find one himself. 

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Leatherhead's picture

January 22, 2020 at 11:53 am

Well, we're all unhappy with the defense against the 49ers, but let's take a look at what happened from 2018 to 2019.

Scoring Defense: In 2018, we surrendered 400 points and were ranked 22nd in scoring defense. In 2019, we surrendered 313 points, good for 9th in scoring defense.

That's the most important defensive stat, IMO, but other indicators from takeaways to redzone defense to opposing passer rating are all up near the top of the league's rankings. We got a lot better this year on defense, and that's just a fact. We got pantsed twice by the 49ers, but we held just about everybody else to less than 30, most to less than 25, and better than half to less than 20. And our defense was more than a match for the Vikings, Bears, and Lions

So I'm totally fine with not tearing this apart. I think it's reasonable to assume that guys like Savage and Gary might be better and none of our secondary players should be any worse.

Of our preferred 21 guys that we'd suit up on gameday, we lost only one, Raven Greene, to injuries. Only one, Tramon Williams, is old enough to consider his age. We're going to lose Kyler Fackrell because he's our #4 OLB and somebody is going to make him a better offer in this offseason. He's been durable, a core special teams player, and a guy who stepped up when he got a chance to start in 2018. He'll undoubtedly be overpaid, since by definition the team that gets him is willing to pay him more than anybody else, but at least they'll be overpaying for a decent player.

If we retain Martinez, we proceed with no other losses from the 2019 53man roster on defense . That means we could use the draft and FA to strengthen the 21 man defensive roster. One or two good defenders added to this front seven would improve us. I'm in favor of putting a massive chunk of human in the middle of the defensive line, either ahead of Lancaster or beside him, because nothing gums up the run game like a guy like Gilbert Brown, or Haloti Ngata, or Pat Williams, or...……..

I really hope we don't rip this defense apart. Keep it together and add to it.

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CAG123's picture

January 22, 2020 at 12:05 pm

a Ryan Pickett and that's where I think they have failed the past few seasons in this 3-4 def too many slight defensive lineman at one point the Packers had the perfect blend of lane clogger and pass rusher with Pickett, Jenkins, Raji and Jolly. Now these guys are either too short or tall and lean-ish. I will continue my ringing endorsement for Javon Hargrave next to KC.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 22, 2020 at 01:45 pm

If your only going to have 2 linemen then they better not be small. The problem with big dudes is they can't usually run.

That's what is go great about the Seahawks/49ers style of defense. They run a 4-3 with 3-4 sized personnel. The ILBs are not the only front 7 guys who can run.

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CAG123's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:08 pm

none of those guys the 49ers have are 3-4 sized and in fact wouldn't be good for a 3-4. Being big didn't stop any of the guys I mentioned from doing their jobs because if you need them to run 10 plus yards down field then there's a problem. Packers need the big guys to eat blockers and clog running lanes and be athletic enough to penetrate and get after the QB when needed.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:29 pm

Dee Ford is and so is Nick Bosa.

Kwon Alexendar (SAM) is like 225.

Not sure what your talking about.

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CAG123's picture

January 22, 2020 at 03:18 pm

Dee Ford and Bosa are 4-3 ends or OLB in the 3-4 you do not want those guys taking on constant double teams Im strictly referring to the dline not the front seven. That's one of the reasons the Chiefs traded him because they made the switch to a 3-4.

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murf7777's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:45 pm

Cag...I'm with you...you need a much better DL to succeed at a 3-4 D. So, is that Pettine's fault or we need to add to that area is THE big question. I think the DL should be priority #1 because I'm a firm believer you win in the trenches and we just found out that SF is much better in the trenches and the 2 game results prove it. If you win in the trenches the rest of the squad looks better because of it.

SF spent its FA and draft capital there and we spent it in the backfield & now OLB positions. Now SF had higher draft picks and that makes some difference, but if you build the DL that pressures the QB and stops the run it makes an average backfield look above average. It also would allow you to be average or a little above at MLB. As a team, you have to decide where you want your strength to be since you cannot be above average at all positions. The SC is designed so that doesn't happen. Of course, if someone hits onto a great QB, ala KC & Balt in the draft they will have a couple of years without paying top QB $'s then they have an advantage and can build stronger units throughout the Offense and Defense until you have to pay the QB piper. We don't have that luxury, so I hope Gutey focuses on the DL first and WR second.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 22, 2020 at 03:09 pm

Well, back in the day when the 3-4 came to the NFL, the proponents of the scheme said that it was because it was easier to find four good linebackers than four good DL. So why would you go to a scheme that requires even better good defensive linemen if they're so hard to find?

So I'm not buying the argument that you need MUCH better DL on a 3-4 lineup.

Then the 3-4 morphed into these insane edge rushers like LT, who rarely dropped in coverage and was a pass rusher, like the Smiths . But then you need inside linebackers who could go sideline to sideline AND cover TEs 30 yards downfield AND be able to shed 315 lb blockers and make the tackle close to the line of scrimmage.

And the more teams threw, the more cover guys you needed on the field. And that's why you can call it the 3-4 or 4-3 or whatever, but we rush with 4, cover with 6, and have one LB on the field quite a bit of the time.

If we had four DL and 3 LBs on the field, we should be able to stop the run. But we never play that. Sometimes we go 3-3-5 and have some kind of blitz. But as a base run defense, I don't think we've got enough beef on the field.

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baldski's picture

January 22, 2020 at 04:29 pm

Murf, I heartily agree.

San Fran decided to put top strength in the trenches and medium ability behind it .

Defensive Line:

Dee Ford, 1st rd. pick,
Sheldon Day, 4th rd, 103rd pick
Deforest Buckner, 1st rd, 7th pick
Arik Armstead, 1st rd., 17th pick

Add in Nick Bosa, 1st rd. pick as backup.

LB's:

Kwon Alexander, 4th rd. 124th pick
Fred Warner, 3rd rd, 70th pick
Dre Greenlaw, 5th rd. 148th pick.

On the other side of the trench,

Offensive Line:

Joe Staley, 1st rd. 28th pick
Laken Tomlinson, 1st rd, 15th pick
Ben Garland, FA
Mike Person , 7th rd pick
Mike McGlinchey, 1st rd, 9th pick

Some of these guys were drafted by other teams first and wound up in SF but it looks to me that much effort was put into finding talent for the trenches. How SF will hold all this talent together in coming years will be a problem.

How many 1st rounders on Green Bay's present roster? SF has 7 in the trenches. How long did they have to be a losing team to accumulate this much talent? If Pettine had four 1st rounders in his Defensive line, would things be different?

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Leo Van Groll's picture

January 22, 2020 at 12:47 pm

This should be our 2nd round pick. Walter mock is already projecting him to the Packers: Tedarrell Slaton*, NT, Florida
Height: 6-5. Weight: 343.

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HankScorpio's picture

January 22, 2020 at 01:46 pm

"Of our preferred 21 guys that we'd suit up on gameday, we lost only one, Raven Greene, to injuries."

This is actually a pretty good reason to to take the improvement that we have seen with a grain of salt. The Packers got very lucky in that regard and it showed. That's my only quibble with an otherwise well received post. For 2020, we can count on injuries being worse.

I'm on the fence about Pettine. So I'm reading the opinions of others with interest.

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Lare's picture

January 22, 2020 at 01:55 pm

The Packers are Pettine's 6th NFL team he's been with. I doubt if he's doing anything other teams haven't seen before.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

January 22, 2020 at 05:43 pm

Mostert was on 6 teams before SF. What's your point?

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SterlingSharpe's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:00 pm

Well-stated.
Who's the azzhole who thumbed-down that post?

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albert999's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:31 pm

All doesn’t matter if you can’t compete at the highest level against the best teams in the championship games

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CAG123's picture

January 22, 2020 at 11:55 am

Yeah Pettine is done and I had high hopes for the guy but I hope this isn't one of those "he's not getting the best out of the talent" fires this defense still needs work. Also who's out there?

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Lphill's picture

January 22, 2020 at 11:59 am

Pettine seemed overmatched during the NFCC not many adjustments or one that worked at least , why no Gary or Summers to help out ? Both these guys played some inside .

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stockholder's picture

January 22, 2020 at 12:13 pm

I feel Like I'm at a Coroner's Inquest.

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flackcatcher's picture

January 22, 2020 at 12:56 pm

Yeah, and the body not dead yet...

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egbertsouse's picture

January 22, 2020 at 12:17 pm

When he first got here I thought Pettine was a tough guy who would dump Dom’s finesse defense that tried to fool offenses instead of beat them down with physicality. Now I realize he coaches the same soft defense that attempts to win with trickery instead of toughness. I know they don’t have the horses to play a physical defense but I hope they move in that direction.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

January 22, 2020 at 05:46 pm

It's 2020 offenses are faster than they are physical woth the exception od the Titans. Toughness doesn't win football games. The 49ers defense is ridiculously fast not tough.

Edit: What exactly do people consider toughness? Raw strength? Healthy? I think if speed as being fast and tough as power and being strong. Good players are one or the other great players are both. Sometimes it's not enough though look at Gary who's extremely big and fast why isn't he a more accomplished player?

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croatpackfan's picture

January 22, 2020 at 01:42 pm

You did not watch properly 9ers D.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 22, 2020 at 01:46 pm

They are both.

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egbertsouse's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:33 pm

You are correct, sir. Titans are tough. KC is fast. Niners are fast and tough.

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HankScorpio's picture

January 22, 2020 at 01:57 pm

Fast and tough are not mutually exclusive. Fast and tough is winning defense in today's NFL.

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bigGuy's picture

January 22, 2020 at 12:30 pm

I think his scheme is flawed in that stopping the run is an after thought. I understand his thought that the pass is the quickest way to lose and most teams are pass happy. But to win a championship, sooner or later your going to find a team willing to run the ball. If you can't stop the run, you have no chance.

And this is not his guy. It was put on him. If he has a philosophical difference in what he wants. I can definitely see him making a change. I wouldn't be surprised to see a young position coach he has worked with prior.

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HankScorpio's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:00 pm

13-3 are a rookie HC earns ML the right to my support on whatever choice he makes. I am certain they will discuss the 285 yards allowed and how it must never happen again. If ML walks out of that conversation happy, that's fine by me. If he walks out of that conversation without a DC, that's fine too.

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murf7777's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:53 pm

bigGuy, I agree with you, I'm not sure Pettine ever meant you can run 150 or 200+ yards and that is ok, but he did state he was concerned with stopping the pass. It wouldn't surprise me if MLF has a young, up and comer that he wants....IE: Jim Leonard or someone similar in the NFL or college ranks.

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mjbrogno's picture

January 22, 2020 at 12:28 pm

It looks like Pettine is gone based on LaFluer’s Press conference. It does not look good when they knew what the 49 ers going to do and could not even come close to stopping them. Obviously, changes in schemes and personnel have to be made. If not, just mail it in for the upcoming season. A strong defense has in the past and always will win a championship, PERIOD!

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Qoojo's picture

January 22, 2020 at 12:32 pm

Now we get to see what sort of HC MLF really is. Will he protect Pettine like his predecessor would?

During the season, this defense never really stopped the run very well, but no opponent just stuck to what worked like SF did. For Pettine to keep his job, he should have made more adjustments during the game. Additionally, the defense didn't stop the run or pass the entire game, except for the very first series.

“They definitely out-coached us,” LaFleur said. “It’s disappointing because we knew exactly what they were going to do. We knew they were going to run the football.”

That doesn't sound good for Pettine.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

January 22, 2020 at 01:04 pm

They got out coached on both sides of the ball. The offense laid a goose egg in the 1st half. Plenty of blame to go sround and Pettine as a scape goat is just more Packer ignorance. Get the man better ILB talent and more help on the DL.

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PackfanNY's picture

January 22, 2020 at 12:39 pm

The LaFleur comments this morning sure didn’t sound like a ringing endorsement of the Defensive Coordinator. I wouldn’t buy a house if I were Pettine.

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Lare's picture

January 22, 2020 at 01:38 pm

Nor Shawn Mennenga. Improving special teams from 32nd to 26th isn't much.

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murf7777's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:56 pm

Lare, that might be the final ranking, but I think if you look at the last 6 games the ranking would be in the top 10 so improvements were made. Also, they reduced penalties by a large amount.

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mnbadger's picture

January 22, 2020 at 12:47 pm

We had no idea if Sunday's failure was a product of scheme, execution, talent or a combination of all of the above.
MLF pointed only to coaching. I'm glad Mike pettine gave us what he had, but likely his last game as a packer.

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ILPackerBacker's picture

January 22, 2020 at 12:51 pm

Not addressed but real concerns all year about M Pettine's decision making.
His actions with Gary made sense until the end of the season. Then fell off the chart.

His refusal and/or inability to get Martinez off the field in obvious passing downs (with a DB) or on obvious running down by substituting in anyone much less a DL or Goodson. Goodson was not Ray N but he played run better than Blake. Add in the total failure to develop or even see the other IN LB prospects. Terrible coaching.

Lowry. The entire Lowry experiment leaves a bad taste in the mouth. 729 snaps for 25 tackles. Nothing for Keke. Landcaster outplayed Lowry but only got a small fraction of the snaps.

Just bad in many ways.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:37 pm

So Gute was stupid to pay Lowry, right?

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Tarynfor12's picture

January 22, 2020 at 12:52 pm

The defense played well against lesser opponents and on occasion played well against better. Stat sheet and rank lovers will always be blinded by those two items.

Is the defenses huge fail against SF the sole problem of Pettine, absolutely not, but how do you not put the vast majority of blame on him when he had no knowledge of what a tourniquet is or the ability to use it. Or are the players so inept or are the SF players that superior it doesn't/didn't matter.

I tend to lean toward the latter two because I only felt we are a C+ player talent over all and Pettine didn't just overnight become a putz, but not to discount that a DC held in high regard should be able to cauterize the bleeding to some degree.

Change may help but more likely it won't as long as we have the only constant that remains, a Grade C+ over all talent for a team. Read all the stats and continue your individual belief it tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I'll believe what I see and what I've seen doesn't match up with the positives that are cheered.

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CAG123's picture

January 22, 2020 at 01:58 pm

Your lack of football knowledge is showing again Pettine has had the ability to get the most out of rosters that didn't have otherworldly talent see his work with the Jets/Bills/Browns he gave Gute the list of guys he needed and Gute got them for him. He's never had a roster full of stars at every level mostly solid guys with a Revis or a Stephen Gilmore sprinkled in.

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Tarynfor12's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:26 pm

The players the Jets/Bills/Browns had on defense were better than ours when he was their DC because our defense sucked when Pettine was elsewhere. Pettine comes here and our defense is cheered for being better than last year but still as witnessed sucks to a lesser degree before his arrival. He gets the players he wants and the defense sucked. So either Pettine sucks at eval or previous teams players made him look better than he is thought to be or our players are still nothing more than Grade C+/- over all.

This teams talent over all begs a DC to make bread without grain or we have a DC who can't make make bread period.

A new DC will be tasked with the same request and the oven will yield what ever you want to call it that comes out. If using the same type of ingredients the odds are it won't be bread. If it is bread, then they have got a miracle worker at DC.

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CAG123's picture

January 22, 2020 at 03:58 pm

Well a little more digging and I found out this is indeed a Pettine def I excluded any year in which he was pretty much Rex Ryan's lacky and went with 2013 with the Bills (before Rex got there as coach) and 2014-2015 with the Browns.
Bills
10th in total def
20th in scoring 24.3 per game
6th in takeaways 30 total
3rd down con 14th at 37.1%
Browns
23rd in total def
9th in points 21 per game
4th in takeaways with 29 total
3rd down con 11th at 37.7%
He did this with guys like Jarius Byrd, Kyle Williams, Kiko Alonzo, Mario Williams in Buffalo and Tashon Gibson, Donte Whitner, Karlos Dansby and Joe Haden in Cleveland none of those guys you can definitively say were better than what the Packers currently have. I didn't include his 2015 season because they were terrible. So these are pretty much his best two years. He seems to be a guy that neglects the gawdy stats for numbers like these so if we're being honest here the Packers got exactly what they paid for. He's aight we might have expected too much.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

January 22, 2020 at 01:06 pm

Where is the Pettine wasn't MLF's man mantra coming from? Go back and watch MLF's 1st press conference. He said he CHOSE to stick with Pettine as DC and was excited to work with him. So what if he didn't bring him in. Retaining him was his choice amd IMO the right one. Our defense was better in 2019 than it's been since 2010.

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flackcatcher's picture

January 22, 2020 at 01:28 pm

To date the whole thing seems to be nothing more than a internet rumor that gained traction with press backgrounders and a HC trying to deflect away from the loss. I hope this is put to bed fast. Otherwise this could spin out of control for the reasons I listed in this thread below.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

January 22, 2020 at 05:42 pm

Same internet rumor crap happened with the relationship between MLF and Rodgers. People read way too much into things. It's the dead swason so when there isn't news they create it.

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flackcatcher's picture

January 22, 2020 at 01:17 pm

Is LaFleur stupid enough to put himself in a power play over Pettine. The growth in this defense and play does not merits Pettine dismissal. And suggesting that he will go over his General Managers head to the Packer President (a man who was just stripped by the executive committee of his authority over the GM) is either an opening negotiation tactic for more say in the organization, or one of the shortest tenures as a head coach in Green Bay Packer History. This is the GM call. And to date Gute has back Pettine right down the line. LaFleur needs to take a step back and understand where he is. Otherwise this could get very messy...

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Big_Mel_75's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:07 pm

Pretty sure that the head coach has the authority to hire and fire his staff.

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HankScorpio's picture

January 22, 2020 at 03:16 pm

And how would be ML be going over Gute's head by discussing that choice his Murphy? ML reports to Murphy. It's just good sense to inform your superiors of your hiring/firing choices before they read it in the papers.

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fordguy's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:54 pm

Where did you see that the Packers executive committee took Murphy's power over Gute from?

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 22, 2020 at 01:26 pm

I am not sure what the Packers will do. Does LaFleur want to bring in his own guy? Or does he really believe in Pettine and think with a few more pieces they could have something really good?

Reading between the lines it sounds like he maybe going in a different direction.

For the most part I was fine with what Pettine did. But just as posted in other columns today I really would like to know why Gary only got 3 snaps this week. Why did it take until the 2nd half for Keke to get significant playing time. Oh and in his 11 snaps he had 3 tackles. He was playing really well. Why when Goodson couldn't get to the edge on the outside runs did he stay in the game? Could Burks have done better with his speed?

Gary, Jackson, Burks, Adams are all high round draft picks. Keke was a 5th round pick but he played well when he did play. All of which barely played. I just would like to know why they didn't play. Why down the stretch were these guys barely playing?
Also Jackson has proved on special teams to be a physical player. When SF was running all over us, why wasn't he brought in when Alexander got hurt?

It would be nice to know why these guys weren't playing. Were they in his doghouse, or were they simply not good enough?

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January 22, 2020 at 02:06 pm

Last couple of years in Capers scheme, the main complaint was it was too complex for the players to run. Today, the same complaint showed up in the Milwaukee JS breakdown of Pettine's scheme. Most of article covered Pettine, with only a few paragraphs covering MLF schemes failures. Pretty obvious the MJS source or sources was either MLF himself or someone close to him. Pettine system is no more complex than any of the other current defensive schemes in use inside the NFL. Players who can not learn something like Pettine system is not long for this league. Most player cases come down to injury. Both Burks and Jackson took a while to return and both did so in season. Tough to know if they were game ready, only their position coaches would know that, and relay that to Pettine. Tony Brown went from a core backup to roster cut in the space of 30 days. So if both were no good, Gute would cut them both on Pettine say so. No, sports injuries, especially football (collision type) take longer to heal. And the Packers organization medical staff is well known for being very careful in treatment and return to play. My guess, is that both players injuries were far more serious than the team let on, and neither was really cleared until late in the season. If not true, than both will be cut or traded this off season. But I expect both will be on the roster, competing for a starting or core role next season.

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mbpacker's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:11 pm

I have mixed feelings if Pettine should stay or go. I can agree what others are saying here. It was a disappointing effort both times against the 49ers and at other times during the season. But statistically we did improve. Some considerations are bringing in a new DC doesn't guarantee anything if we don't hit with the new hire. So you bring in someone else, how long do they get if we regress? Players will have to readjust all over again. By all indications, Mike is well-liked and respected by his players, but who really know's what goes on behind the scenes, right? Also, do we have the personnel to fit with who they may bring in and with a new system. So how long does that take to find out? How much was scheme involved? The Smiths were run at and could not hold up. Am sure this may have been unexpected, but are the Smiths more pass rushers and not as good as run stoppers ?Yet they are outside linebackers so should be able to. I don't see them as big time run stoppers though. Maybe they can improve. I think Clark needs help. Quality depth to rotate is ideal like San Fran, but you have to have the players to do it. I know Pettine values protecting the big pass plays, but it would be fun to ask him if he has the personnel to stop the run, especially with slow ILB's. I'm inclined to see if the defense can be tweaked, and talent added so we can be more balanced, rather than fire Pettine and gut the defense. Remember, no matter who they may ultimately bring in, players not plays Also, if we make the change and maybe we should, above my knowledge level, just be prepared it won't be instant and will go through growing pains, again, that is if we hit on the right guy. I guess I trust Gute and MLF to make the right call. It will boil down to who MLF wants and his philosophy on defense. All we can do it watch and root for our team. But I really would love to have a smash- mouth defense. But i don't want several loosing seasons to accumulate early round draft choices like the Bears and 49ers had to do to get there. Go Pack!

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Lare's picture

January 22, 2020 at 01:47 pm

The loss to the Niners was embarrassing, I have no problem with replacing whoever was to blame.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:01 pm

If they get a couple ~230 lb Linebackers who can run and tackle either in the draft or FA they have the personnel to run a seven-wide 4-3 scheme. It's a much better fit for the misdirection offenses that are taking over the league.

I've seen enough of the 3-4 sub packages with a bare defensive front, and the huge gaps it leaves for *backs to pile up big gains. The 3-4 Blitz burg trickery isn't fooling anyone anymore. Teams have 3 downs to guess where the hole is and they guess correctly 50% of the time.

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mbpacker's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:04 pm

Good points, I wold love some big fast ILB and help for Clark to keep him fresh.

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CAG123's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:19 pm

Does it really matter what front you're in? without the proper coaching and personnel it means nothing there really isn't a case that makes one better than the other.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:26 pm

It's all of it.

Go look at the last touchdown by the 49ers and the pre-snap gap on the left side of the defense where nobody lined up and nobody filled.

If you leave a gap like that over the guard for a good team in High School they are going to run it down your throat. Doing that against the 9ers after they have 280 yards on the ground already is insane.

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CAG123's picture

January 22, 2020 at 04:20 pm

So could that not be fixed with better personnel? I mean the Packers dlinemen at least two of them are meh at best as we discussed earlier the Packers do seem to need bigger bodies that can move.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:05 pm

I'm glad MLF found the guilty man for this 2 embarrassments at SF.

I'm glad, too, that many of you easy your disappointment by finding the person you can spit on.

Mike McCarthy never ever throw his fellow coach nor his player publicly under the bus. Hell he never ever publicly call a player or coach or anyone from his stuff . Instead, he acted. Maybe to late sometimes, but never publicly sitting on person he was working with.

Call me his fan if you want, but I do not like persons who would blame others openly or subtle while there are a lot of things he could be called for...

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:12 pm

Did you watch the video?

The first thing he says is "It wasn't just the defense, the offense and special teams weren't up to par"...

I sounded to me like he'll likely keep Pettine. It's not what I would do, not really because of Pettine himself but because I think the league has passed Pettine's scheme by.

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mbpacker's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:15 pm

I agree, so many moving parts, you win and loose as a team! There were a lot of things in that game you can isolate as part of the collapse.

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murf7777's picture

January 22, 2020 at 04:00 pm

Croat...from listening to MM over the years, my impression was that he is an outstanding man. I have to disagree that MLF threw anybody "under the bus" including Pettine. He stated he needs to evaluate or "work thru everything right now" and that is very similar talk MM stated about Capers or another coach one time or another at year end during their tenures. That isn't throwing him under the bus. If he stated all is well, and it really isn't, that wouldn't be genuine, which in my opinion is much worse vs saying we are in the evaluation process with everything. Certainly, that isn't an endorsement, but if you don't feel like you can endorse that man at the time MLF basically brushed it off with the comment he used. MLF is very careful with the words he uses and is a genuine man, not unlike MM.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 23, 2020 at 05:07 am

muri, thank you for your reply.

When we are talking about MM, when he was asked directly about person (and there was several time when reporters asked him about Dom Capers destiny) he responded not with "we will evaluate everybody", but his answer was that Dom Capers is great defensive mind or expert. And conclude the answer to the question with that. When he got question in general about his stuff (or players) than he used phrase that they are still in analyzing game, season, loss or win, or similar like that.

He did that mainly to keep dignity of his stuff towards players and to help them coach players. I see one of the guys mention his remark on how Lacy came fat to the camp. That was not throwing under the bus. That was pure obvious statement. He also added how Lacy need to lose some weight first to be able to play accordingly expectations. But he did not said anything like "we are evaluating that issue" which is just open doors to proclaim that it may be end of Lacy tenure with Packers...

Also, I understand MLF is young and lack of experience as HC and I do not want to finally verdict him at this moment, but reaction through the league (also on NFL page) people understood that answer as hot seat for Pettine and that Pettine can be fired... "Mike Pettine's fate still unresolved" is the title of this article, isn't it?

Not a great situation to work together if there will be a little point of bad taste among MLF and MP. That is why I reacted how I reacted.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

January 22, 2020 at 07:08 pm

MLF said they were reviewing Mike Pettine. He retained him. MM called Lacy Fat.

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albert999's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:36 pm

Pettine should have tried everything in the book to adapt to what was happening to them in a chance to go to the SUPER BOWL and he didn’t and for that he should be fired alone

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ghostdog1108's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:55 pm

He's done. Lack of fire does not sit well with LaFleur.......,

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hhsbaseball's picture

January 22, 2020 at 03:22 pm

Not done. Lack of fire does sit well it appears

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Lphill's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:55 pm

Devin White or Devin Bush would have helped the defense some moves should have been made to trade up Bush went 2 picks before Gary , I guess at the time pass rush was a priority not realizing they would land the Smiths in free agency, you can always bet on the Steelers and Ravens taking linebackers early.

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murf7777's picture

January 22, 2020 at 03:09 pm

Lp, the Smith's were brought in before the draft. So, they knew prior to the draft that they had pass rushers coming in. It was Gary's awesome athletic numbers that swayed them to take him. The jury is still out on Gary IMO. To trade up it may of taking the Packers other #1 or at the very least #2 and with those picks they did get Savage and/or Jenkins, whom both made the "all rookie" team. So, as of now, I think the draft will be consider a big success.

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Houndog's picture

January 22, 2020 at 02:56 pm

To bad for Pettine, I don't believe he had enough horses, but it's time for a change.
LaFleur can't be himself or be properly graded if indeed he has philosophical differences with the DC, he's the guy responsible, so he needs to make the decisions. I can only hope he has a 'good one' in mind.
My take on Pettine is like several others here, I think the improvement from 2018 to 2019 came primarily from the added personnel, the Smith Bros, et al. When he was hired I too thought he was a tough guy and would take the tough guy approach, but we never saw any 'smash-mouth' football from his system. Instead his defenses played soft, the D-backs (with three 1st* round picks, if you count King*) consistently played 8-10 yds off the LOS, and despite the advantage of playing back and having the correct 'angle', their tackling was atrocious. It was frustrating in every game, all year long, and the D-Backs coaches should follow Pettine out the door.

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murf7777's picture

January 22, 2020 at 03:01 pm

MLF showed me enough this year to give me confidence he isn't over his head and that he is very intelligent. Similar to what Hank said, I'm good with whatever decision he makes. Although, I'm guessing he is going to go with a bright, young, up and comer and start over. That person might come from the position coaching ranks. There are a lot of great coaching talent out there that few of us have heard of, but MLF knows well or thru his contacts.

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Rossonero's picture

January 22, 2020 at 03:07 pm

Everybody needs to take a deep breath -- Matt LaFleur included. A loss like that still stings. However, one game should not define a season, and sure as hell should not define Mike Pettine.

You have to look at the whole body of work. Pettine dramatically turned this defense around. Granted, he had much improved players, but we need to put the 49ers loss in context: it was one game. One.

In the regular season blowout loss to the 49ers, the defense only gave up 112 yards rushing total amongst the 49ers three RBs.

If anything, what was glaring was the offense's complete ineptitude on full display in both the regular season and in the NFC championship. And that's on.....Matt LaFleur.

LaFleur also needs to understand the potential impact on the locker room. As far as I can tell, the players like playing for Pettine. There's no issue there.

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albert999's picture

January 22, 2020 at 04:19 pm

The effect on locker room? This isn’t pop-warner. These are grown men not little boys. They need to man up and watch some tape on Nitschke. Maybe then they won’t let one guy run for 220yds which 140 of those were before contact in a NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME

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Rossonero's picture

January 23, 2020 at 07:24 am

Um, he's a coach. And you just supported my point. The PLAYERS need to man up. Should Pettine take off his headset and get out there? He can only coach fundamentals so much. Either the players play well, or they don't. We clearly lack the talent at DT and ILB to compete with the 49ers. That will get fixed in the draft and free agency.

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January 23, 2020 at 07:45 am

"He can only coach fundamentals so much."

Is he doing it enough? Is he doing it effectively? Both are open questions, IMO. I don't pretend to have the answers. But I don't buy that anyone else does either. At least not anyone outside the people that see every practice and sit in on the team meetings. At some point, a systemic lack of fundamentals most definitely does fall on coaching. I just don't know we're at that point.

What I do buy is that ML earned the right to make the call. 14-4, no matter how lucky, as a rookie HC earns that much. If he wants to retain Pettine, that's good enough for now. But those open questions remain.

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hhsbaseball's picture

January 22, 2020 at 03:21 pm

Mike P staying which is a good move. Nothing knee jerk is going to resolve anything.

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daveh's picture

January 22, 2020 at 03:37 pm

I am glad Pettine is staying. The last time I look i didn't see any DC drafting, So if Pettine goes so should the so called draft experts Murphy and Gute. Get a legitamate edge rusher and a fast middle backer. Dont draft history injured players like our last first rounder from Mich. GO PACK

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albert999's picture

January 22, 2020 at 04:20 pm

This isn’t pop-warner. These are grown men not little boys. They need to man up and watch some tape on Nitschke. Maybe then they won’t let one guy run for 220yds which 140 of those were before contact in a NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
Pettine needs to go!

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CAG123's picture

January 22, 2020 at 04:44 pm

I mean to be fair you can't coach wanting to tackle that's a mentality some guys absorb contact like Savage when he un-savagely got demolished by Deebo and some guys deliver like Atari Bigby use to do (sigh) good times.

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