LOL! I was waiting for it too!

Teams have had Capers schemes figured out for several of years now and he's got nothing in response. Even the Vikings with Christian Ponder stuck it to them.

I totally agree with Bart on the Newhouse/Sherrod thing. What the hell are they waiting for?? Play Sherrod or cut him and let him succeed on some other team that actually has an even average offensive line coach!!!!

Sherrod didn't exactly light it up out there.

Then again the Detoilet Dline is tough. Sherrod might need another offseason to really get into the swing of it again.

He has one. But I don't think Clements has play calling experience. He was the QB coach, who got promoted when Philbin left.

I'm honestly happy that we're seeing the Emperor has no clothes. If we have Rodgers, we keep concealing all these problems, reach the playoffs and get pounded AGAIN by a better-coached, tougher team. Then MM and TT, and the rest of the world, think that the system ain't broke, "hell, 11-5 is darn good" and TT continues to draft undersized, small-school players.

Maybe now there will be some changes at or near the top. Or at least a ton of scrutiny to realize this team needs a lot of work. I just hope when we look back on this season we don't blame it all on ARod- like everyone's been saying, "he doesn't play D"

GB has beaten: Wash, Lions/ without Megatron, Ravens, Browns, and Minn. Wow, impressive. Combined records of W-22 L-34 and of course 1- Tie. .393 WP

They haven't beaten a good team let alone a playoff team all season, oh yeah, Det or Chicago have to make the playoffs.
Does anyone think this team could win a playoff game even with Rodgers.

Yeah, when the defense (and everyone else in the stadium) knows exactly what's coming, that's NOT putting your guys in a position to succeed.

Especially when you've got a journeyman backup QB and a bunch of backups playing for injured starters.

i'm guessing that mccarthy would rather shift around 2 spots on the o-line instead of 3

How'd they look the second time around?

The first time I was like "what the H", the second time I just stayed silent. BTW we have a new drinking game in the house. Everytime our D blows a pass coverage or misses a tackle you have to take a drink.

Cow, have you or anyone else here considered one possibility to why they played bad coming off a short week? Has anyone discussed the possibility of "jet lag". It is a real condition that affects people.

Here's part of the symptoms I found on the internet:

Cognitive effects include poorer performance on mental tasks and concentration, increased fatigue, headaches, and irritability.

Just throwing it out there as it would explain things a little bit better.

Longshanks

Cow, now the excuse is they were tired. Gee Wiz. I did not know that all the other teams also play each week unless they have a buy.

I do know this. You NEVER hear a team complain of being tired when their winning. Never hear them begging for time off so they can recupe from that huge victory.

You get tired chasing players all day long who are bigger and faster than you and your on defense all day long while your offense goes three and out four times in a row trying to run twice pass once offence.

Yeah, i agree with you that Capers doesn't use his players the right way. I honestly think that all the Packer coaches don't do a good job of that to be honest.

For me the problem with Capers isn't just using players in certain positions or whatnot, its also that he doesn't do anything to change the defense when its getting ripped to shreds. When they are getting ran all over in the Nickel Package (2 DL, 4 LB) he keeps using it. Well maybe changing something around. keep the 3-4, and remove one of the safety's to put an extra CB in or something. The 3rd CB is better then the 2nd S anyways...
His inability to adjust what he does is what is killing the defense.

Honestly, I wasn't as dissapointed in Hawk covering Bush as I would have been a couple of years ago. Hawk was within 1 step of Bush. It took a great throw to beat him. Do I want him covering him all the time, Hell no. But I thought Hawk was pretty good in that one play.

My biggest reasons why I think Capers should go, is because he doesn't adapt to what other teams do. He doesn't use his personnel in ways that they could produce the most or be the most effective. (Nick Perry to ROLB). He becomes way to conservative and would rather play a bend but don't break defense versus a in your face aggressive attack...
When he first came to Green Bay it was an in your face attacking defense. Not anymore. He used to use various packages and personnel to confuse offenses. (psycho, big oakie etc...) not anymore, he uses base, nickel, dime and very few variations.
That is why I think its time for a change.

Preaching to the choir. Been saying for awhile now that Perry needs to play ROLB and Matthews LOLB. At the very least change it up to give the offense something to think about and plan for. But its extremely obvious that Perry can rush the passer from the right side. Matthews can on either side as he showed in the '10 SB season.

Best point ever. As I remember it perry rushed from the right side at usc. No f'n brainer. Matthews can rush from anywhere and is actually one of the best cover LB's in the game. Until lattimore comes back I'd really like to see neal and perry set and rush from the edge with Matthews shoring up our soft bleeding gut. AJ likes sucking up blocks too much for a 3-4 mlb.

*Quietly puts pitchfork away*

bet youll be singing a differant tune after next year...just my hunch.....if this was a corporation and was losing money badly the managers would be called on the carpet, if it continued someone would be fired....ask the Donald....

losing games is one thing. the product/effort the Slackers are putting on the field right now is something else, entirely.

they didn't just lose, Thursday... they played, quite possibly, the worst professional football game i have ever seen.

i tend to go overboard at times... but not this time.

i have never seen an NFL team be less competitive in a game.

that was more than a bunch of bad circumstances creating a bad game.

I agree for the most part. I like the way Thompson and McCarthy operate the Packers. No problems there in my opinion. I do think Capers time has come and gone in GB tho. He always has the same M.O. WHen he shows up his defenses make a very quick turn around just like in '09 when he arrived. It seems each year after it gets much worse. I don't know exactly why that is, but the pattern is very clear. IMO that points to a lack of respect or fear of repercussions for under-performing players. The D in '11 was historically bad, got moderately better in '12 and looked decent to start the year. IMO there is too many high draft picks and too much talent on the D to not be more successful. I understand the loss of some key playmakers, but more should be getting done and a higher level of performance expected. I definitely want to keep the 34, but think its time for some new leadership on the defensive side.

So there's plenty of blame to go around but fans shouldn't blame anyone?

I think the passion in which a lot of fans exhibit is the opposite of band wagon/fair weather fans. I don't recall seeing people throwing away their Green Bay Packer flags/gear and swapping it for another team.

People are upset about a horrific performance and are trying to rationalize how we got to where we are. People are sick and tired of the same problems week in and week out. People are noticing a rapid decline of the over all team and are pointing that out trying to answer the "why" question.

I don't think anyone-even unbiased reporters-can find much to be happy about from yesterday's loss. Why would expect fans to be happy and giddy either? People tend to post with emotions running high especially during game time. People are passionate about their team and want to see success. We're in the midst of a 5 game skid. Many of us have lost our patience.

Calling for the firing of coaches and management is usually a knee jerk reaction to seeing a performance like Sunday because it does start from the top. Is it always fair? No. In fact many reporters are trying to calm the FIRE CAPERS banner wavers by suggesting what Tyler Dunne did. It's not so much scheme as it is personnel.

We lack playmakers on defense and we lack guys who can man the trenches. We also seem to pile injuries up at an alarming rate.

Whose fault is all that? Honestly it's probably shared among everyone-TT, MM, coaches, and players alike.

It's an opinion. Much like an asshole everyone has one. Right, wrong, or somewhere in between, it's worth putting out there. We're all in this together so to speak. We all don't have to reach the same conclusion about why our team is in disarray but I think we can all agree things have to change. Whatever the change may be will differ but the path we are on is not working.

Fans aren't unbiased and we aren't paid to be objective. We're all about emotion and subjectivity.

But to suggest people who want to see their team do better and posting how they think that can be achieved is hardly unbecoming. To me bashing reporters or bashing other fans is unbecoming. Wishing death or ill will on players and coaches is unbecoming. But suggesting MM or DC or TT sucks at their job isn't unbecoming. It's an opinion.

"... calling for TT, MM, and Capers to be fired is unbecoming of Packer fans."

What a ridiculous statement!!

Fans are not robots. We have every right to want better out of the Pack. Fans are only talking about change. No one is talking about running over anyone's dog.

This isn't N. Korea or China. I don't like being told by some internet fool what I can think or not think.

this is exactly why capers needs to stay. the guy did just forget how to call scheme. put better talent out there and watch the defensive numbers explode

i think you're absolutely correct! we have some young, developing talent on the d-line: daniels, datone jones, josh boyd, and possibly jerel worthy. i would keep johnny jolly around since the guy is a playmaker and won't cost the team a lot of cap space. jolly is a guy i can see becoming the veteran leader on the defense. ted will probably have to draft 2 lineman to make up for the loss of pickett and raji. i wouldn't mind seeing him dip into free agency to pick up a veteran defensive tackle if a good one is available and is not too expensive.

the middle linebacker spot is tough because they just paid brad jones and hawk just restructured his contract and took less money to stay here. i've really liked what i've seen from lattimore and think he's a better player than jones.

outside linebacker- i like the matthews/perry combo but neither one of these guys can stay healthy for an entire season. palmer, barrington and mulumba are "just guys". i can't see them developing into anything special. i can see them drafting another linebacker this time around.

cornerback- they have to resign shields. he's hands down the best player in the defensive backfield. hayward should be good when he returns next season from the hamstring injury. i'm not sure if tramon will be on this team next year. he will be 31 years old and just isn't the same player he was before the shoulder injury. i think hyde is going to be a very good player for this team but the guy is a safety. i'm not sure why the packers refuse to play him at the safety position.

safety position- this is our biggest area of weakness. burnett is average at best but could be very good if he has a pro-bowl calibur player playing alongside him. i'm not sure yet what we have in banjo and richardson. banjo is a rookie and richardson has been injured. i can see them keeping both of these guys around for another season. they need to draft a safety in one of the early rounds and cut mcmillian and jennings. those 2 guys have no business playing in the NFL.

overall, i think we are 3 or 4 good players away from having a serviceable defense. i just hope ted can find these guys soon!

I like AJ as a person he is a nice dude, but I.gotta agree. He is a bad tackler and just plays sloppy overall. I wish there was a way to replace him.