Key Battles: Packers vs. Chiefs- The Preseason Finale

Today, we look at some key battles that will determine the Packers fifty-three man roster heading into week 1 against Chicago.   

Thankfully, the preseason finale has finally arrived and we are just three days away from roster cutdowns and eight days away from the regular-season opener against the division rival Chicago Bears.  This year's preseason has been absolutely brutal to watch between the debacle in Winnepeg and the sloppy display of football we have been treated to in each of the last three weeks.  

Unfortunately, we are most likely in store for another month or so of sloppy football as a considerable amount of the starters have played little to no in-game reps thus far.  Hopefully, the NFL addresses the preseason and either just eliminates it completely, or adds a game or two to the regular season with an additional bye week and eliminates one or two preseason contests.  

My guess is starters in this league will continue to play less and less preseason snaps, and preseason games will turn into open tryouts for rotational players to make the fifty-three man roster.  

Now that you've heard me complain about the preseason for hopefully the final time this year, here is a look at some of the key internal positional battles I will be watching in the preseason finale against the Chiefs.   

Key Battles:

1. The battle for the backup quarterback position:

This is a pretty lackluster battle because both players are not the ideal player to fill the position.  With that being said, I would look to bring in the loser of the Redskins quarterback competition (Keenum or McCoy), or even Brock Osweiler.  I know these alternatives to Kizer and Boyle are less than desirable but I honestly believe that each of them would give the Packers a better chance to win a game or two if Aaron Rodgers were out for 4-6 weeks.    

2. Who will round out the wide receiver position?

At this point, the only question will be whether the Packers find a way to keep both Lazard and Shepherd on the roster.  So far, the depth chart at the wide receiver position looks like 1. Adams, 2. Allison, 3. Kummerow, 4. MVS, 5. Davis, 6. Shepherd/Lazard *(ESB heading to IR).  Right now, I think Shepherd provides the most versatility for the fifty-three man roster but Lazard shows the potential to be a threat on both intermediate and deep routes by utilizing his frame and strong hands.  

3. Who will provide depth at inside linebacker?

With Oren Burks status for the season uncertain, the Packers are considerably thin at the inside linebacker position.  As things stand, Blake Martinez is primarily the point man at the position and will get some help from Ty Summers, James Crawford, and Curtis Bolton.  This is another position Brian Gutekunst should look to sure up with a proven veteran presence who can serve as a plug and play rotational player.     

4. Will Gutekunst Shake up the Offensive Line?

The starting offensive line has not gotten a whole lot of reps together in the preseason but there is some speculation beginning to grow over one potential move that could be made, and that is moving on from Lane Taylor.  As many of you know, I have publically been against cutting Lane Taylor because I think he will rebound and play well this season.  However, throughout the last week or so, I have seen some reports from other outlets that would suggest that the thought to start Elgton Jenkins at left guard is at least in the mind of Brian Gutekunst as roster cutdowns approach. Stayed tuned to see how this battle unfolds.   

5. Will the Packers Finally Just Name Mason Crosby the kicker or sign Carli Lloyd?

I am hoping the Packers don't name Sam Ficken as their starting kicker just to save a few bucks.  This would be a massive mistake because Mason Crosby is clearly the better and more proven player.  If the Packers were looking to find a more notable replacement at kicker they'd be better off signing Carli Lloyd; but since they wouldn't want the headlines and media attention associated with making that move, they should probably just hang on to Mason Crosby for another season.

Stayed tuned to Cheesehead TV for all of your breaking news in the final days leading up to roster cuts on August 31st at 4 p.m.   

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David Michalski is a staff writer for Cheesehead TV. He can be found on Twitter @kilbas27dave 

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Tarynfor12's picture

August 28, 2019 at 04:29 pm

Carli Lloyd....Credibility is lost just mentioning the possibility of her making and surviving the NFL. Please stop before some jackass allows it and we need to suffer the terrible consequences she will suffer getting possible life long injury on first contact.

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DavidMichalski's picture

August 28, 2019 at 04:34 pm

R-E-L-A-X, Relax, don’t overreact just a tongue and cheek comment. Feel free to carry on with your usual commentary.

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Tarynfor12's picture

August 28, 2019 at 04:46 pm

I'm relaxed...
if she got a chance and got injured bad I'd be last one on the list offering sympathy, if at all. My point is that there are already enough dimwits in the media and equality ranters that believe this to be legit by giving it air time.

Tongue and cheek can get people hurt, especially those being urged to do something stupid. This stuff is for Hollywood make believe and not real life.

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ricky's picture

August 28, 2019 at 05:15 pm

It probably won't make you feel any better, or more rational, but Lloyd has already stated she will NOT be a candidate for an NFL roster this season. She is apparently going to work out and try for an NFL roster next season. So, if anyone is interested in a 38 year old rookie with no football experience on any level; that is getting some publicity because she kicked a 55 yard FG against no rush, after getting a running start at the football, fine. A publicity stunt in the making. And of course there will be a lot of hype about this nonsense. This is not something to get worked up about, unless you simply like being outraged. Personally, I have a life.

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Tarynfor12's picture

August 28, 2019 at 05:39 pm

I am rational and I feel fine thank you.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 28, 2019 at 06:00 pm

Taryn, my entire life I’ve been told that we shouldn’t let certain people do certain things because of the color of their skin or lack of a penis. I totally reject that way of thinking.

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Tarynfor12's picture

August 28, 2019 at 07:57 pm

I said nothing about skin color or having a penis...a 115-130 lb woman is not going to absorb the hit of a 220 + lb NFL player period even if she believes she's a man in a woman's body.

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Oppy's picture

August 28, 2019 at 08:44 pm

That's true, but then again, NFL kickers almost never get hit period.

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Swisch's picture

August 28, 2019 at 09:01 pm

It would only take one hit.
People can get seriously hurt being told they can do anything.
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I can be rather slow on the uptake, but it seems clear the author of this piece was joking about the potential kicker in question.
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We wonder how wars get started, and then get testy with each other about the trivial.
As Packers fans, where's the camaraderie?

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Charvid's picture

August 29, 2019 at 10:39 am

I think you both should leave periods out of this.

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MarkinMadison's picture

August 28, 2019 at 08:53 pm

Even if she was serious, we're talking about a kicker here. Kickers aren't even real football players, just ask Peyton Manning. When a woman does make it to the NFL (not if) there is a very high probability it will be as a kicker.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 28, 2019 at 09:50 pm

So if it were a 130 lb guy.......?

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Leatherhead's picture

August 28, 2019 at 09:54 pm

She’s 141 lbs. And you’d feel the same way if it were a guy. Just too small. We shouldn’t let people under 145 kick in an exhibition game.

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dobber's picture

August 29, 2019 at 12:41 pm

I suspect she could kick any of our asses...maybe all of them at once. Like Bruce Lee vs. a troupe of ninjas.

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optimisticfan's picture

August 28, 2019 at 10:36 pm

According to the internet Carli Lloyd is 5’8” 140-150 lb.

Kickers do not get hit much. But regardless if she wants to try out and a team wants to let her then that is their right living in a free society. The women’s and racial movements in the 1900s were about freedom of choice and not imposing unreasonable limits on opportunities. That doesn’t mean everything always has to be perfectly equal (ie men and women have to be equally represented on each sport, like 50 percent men and women on every football team or something). But keeping the barriers down for allowing people to have a chance to try at what they choose is fine. Women who want to become marines or navy seals should be allowed to try.

It is also the right of teams not to try her out in favor of other more promising kickers who have experience in college football. I think lack of expertise and declining potential (age 38 yo next July) are more legitimate grounds to decline allowing Carli Lloyd a tryout.

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Coldworld's picture

August 29, 2019 at 08:01 am

Kickers sometimes do get hit, but more often they have to tackle.

A 150 lb person of either gender is going to have significantly greater risk of injury tackling than from a hit unless it’s a very rare takedown unless they try to run or play QB with it.

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optimisticfan's picture

August 29, 2019 at 12:38 pm

As someone who has watched the USWNT soccer Carli Lloyd does obviously have an athletic build with likely a very low body fat percentage. Her weight and muscular build (upper body strength) could change to adjust to football too. Obviously I doubt she would be great at tackling and if she trained to kick and was phenomenal at that then a team could have her not looking to tackle. Also Carli Lloyd mentally has a strong tough mindset from what I have seen of her.

I am not saying she should be given a tryout (if I was a GM I would have to see film that showed her approach to the ball, fundamentals etc are NFL quality before considering it). I’m just saying she shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand without any info. That is how people make biased decisions.

Also for disclosure. I am a man not a woman so I have only my perspective and experiences to draw from. I have never been a kicker so I don’t have the experience at that position either.

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DavidMichalski's picture

August 29, 2019 at 03:04 pm

There is our scouting report, sign her up now!

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 29, 2019 at 06:17 pm

At minimum, a seven figure signing bonus.

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dobber's picture

August 29, 2019 at 12:42 pm

"Kickers sometimes do get hit, but more often they have to tackle."

She's probably already better than HHCD.

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optimisticfan's picture

August 29, 2019 at 12:56 pm

Dobber,
Have to say I very much appreciate your humor comments keeping things from being too serious. Despite my comments above I do not think this discussion about Carli Lloyd shouldn’t be happening, nor do I think Tarynfor is horrible with the comments above. Though Tarynfor you could be a little less hypercritical, take it from Dobber and crack a non-sarcastic or non-satirical joke every once and a while. Have a beer, whatever.

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fastmoving's picture

August 29, 2019 at 08:14 am

the Taryn Troll is at least 100 years behind the wig and 200 behind normal people in her evolution. But at least the Rip loser was a fan. No wonder, same kind of backwards crowd.
Besides that: If you can think it, you can do it and dont change your dream, change the world. Thats what America (and the Packers of course) its all about.
...............the TarynTroll is more like Russia.

Other than that, Im sure the Troll missed it, but like all of its stuff its in reallity just the other way around. People do amazing things (all the time), that the backwards guy thought are absolute impossible, and than Hollywood makes a movie about it. And thats the time even Taryn finally understands that the limits are only in her brain (I know im reaching here).

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dobber's picture

August 29, 2019 at 12:43 pm

Absolutely!

It shows you just how people jump at things they see on their computers.

Now, if you'll excuse me, the Prince of Liberia wants to send me $15M...

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Tedlyflyfisher's picture

August 29, 2019 at 02:29 pm

Sorry Dobber, but he just sent it to me a couple of hours ago! Funny thing; I actually had no idea that I was related to royalty!!!

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dobber's picture

August 29, 2019 at 03:22 pm

That's OK, I've got the Prince of Ghana lined up next...

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mnklitzke's picture

August 28, 2019 at 04:45 pm

Right. Plus she is starting this journey at 37? Come on....

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Tundraboy's picture

August 28, 2019 at 11:11 pm

I agree.

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LASVEGAS-TOM's picture

August 29, 2019 at 02:54 pm

Tarynfor12, I'd like to know what you think. I've been away from it for a year, & things may have changed, but I doubt it. I've posted numerous times on here that GB + or - 1 - 3 against anyone except the Pats & Seattle when they were a powerhouse, was an automatic loss, & I was right most of the time. What are your thoughts here on the KC game? You know I go against the money. Where do you see the money going tonight?, KC -3 -3 1/2, or GB +3 - 3 1/2? I haven't been following it. Is KC considered STRONG!!
STRONGER than AR? Going back a year, there is NO WAY I would bet GB with this line. I'll listen to you. What are your thoughts?
LVT

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 29, 2019 at 06:20 pm

They never cover the spread.

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Swisch's picture

August 28, 2019 at 04:59 pm

Please don't skimp on the offensive line!
Especially after the Andrew Luck shocker, let's have an abundance of good blockers to protect our great quarterback.
Just because I've questioned Aaron Rodgers doesn't mean I don't realize he's great.
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Wasn't Case Keenum an excellent QB just a couple of seasons ago?
How about Kizer and Allison/Kumerow for Keenum?
Try to keep Boyle.
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I'm wondering about keeping Shepherd, Lazard, and J'Mon Moore as guys who can contribute this season, but especially in 2020.
They would go with Adams, MVS, and Davis.
I'd risk losing the rest, including ESB, Allison, and Kumerow -- although it would hurt a lot to do so.
One consideration is how few targets the back-up receivers are maybe going to get, anyhow -- so maybe it's better to look ahead to 2020 with talent over experience.
Not sure about this, just wondering.

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

August 28, 2019 at 07:18 pm

I'm guessing the dislikes are a result of your, well what I find curious suggestions regarding which WRs should make the roster. Reminded me a little of George Costanza 'doing the opposite'.
But I agree about not skimping on the OL. When was the last time any of us felt in any way comfortable with the depth on the OL? I'd like a more experienced backup at LT but all in all they've got a good group - dont screw it up to save about 1% of the salary cap.

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Swisch's picture

August 28, 2019 at 08:30 pm

I like to bounce ideas off of people to get ideas; but that doesn't seem to always work here at CHTV.
(1) Adams is a superstar.
(2) MVS seems a lock.
(3) Shepherd may be the only true slot receiver, and a talented kick returner.
(4) Davis is a speedster who has impressed mightily this preseason, and seems to excel on special teams.
(5) Lazard seems tall, fast, quick and professional to the point of earning specific praise from our superstar QB.
(6) J'Mon may be right up there with Adams as the most talented of them all. As the sixth receiver isn't likely to be a big part of the offense, it may well be worth giving him another year as a Packer.
So even if one disagrees with my list -- which is indeed just wondering, although sincerely so -- it doesn't seem so outlandish.
Indeed, it seems likely all of these guys, if waived by the Packers, will be snatched up by other teams.
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Do we want CHTV to be a place that welcomes creative thinking and varied discussion about the Packers rather than just going along with the standard views?
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In any case, thanks TJV for your comment.

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

August 28, 2019 at 08:56 pm

Swisch, I don't think someone giving you a dislike means they want to suppress creative thinking. I think it means they dislike/disagree with this particular thinking.

I disagree with it too (but I didn't give you a dislike) : I think your list overlooks what Allison did before he got hurt last season. He was on his way to a big season and he’s earned Rodgers’ trust – no small thing. I think you also overlook Kumerow. Again, last preseason before he got hurt (self-inflicted) scoring a TD. And more important how he did when he came back towards the end of the season. He’s also earned Rodgers’ trust – how many times has Rodgers praised him?

What you suggest is a significant gamble: J’Mon may become a good NFL WR but right now he’s unreliable: He hasn’t shown the ability to consistently catch the ball. I like Lazard’s potential a lot. But how would you say he’s done vs. opponents’ first teamers? You don’t know because he hasn’t lined up against any. I hope they can get them both to the PS. But I don’t think there’s much doubt Adams, Allison, Kumerow, MVS, Davis and Shepherd are more certain to contribute this season.

There is one thing I’m certain of about your gamble: Waiving or trading Allison and Kumerow would piss off the Packers future HOF QB. And if waived I guarantee they’d be claimed immediately. (BTW, they’re going to have to devote a spot on the 53 for St. Brown if they want to get him on IR. The “last” player they waive will have to clear waivers in order to be put back on the 53.)

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Swisch's picture

August 28, 2019 at 09:25 pm

True fans can disagree -- and I guess simply registering a "dislike" is a good and reasonable way of doing so.
It's just that getting several dislikes without any comments can be discouraging for me.
I'm glad for your comments, TJV, although I thought you dismissed my list of wide receivers too easily.
I could be wrong about a lot of things regarding the Packers, but I do get many of my impressions from other commenters here at CHTV.
As I've said before (although not meaning it literally, it speaks to a real truth) -- I had a nightmare about Bill Belichick picking up Allen Lazard from the waiver wire.

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CheesyTex's picture

August 28, 2019 at 09:29 pm

TJV: I am unclear on the IR rule for St. Brown. Would he still have to be on the 53 if he were on IR for the year as opposed to the 8 game designation?

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

August 28, 2019 at 11:06 pm

CheesyTex, I should have written St. Brown would need a spot on the 53 to be eligible for return. Maybe they should just "hide" him on IR all season if they can. I'm not sure how stringent the league is regarding injuries & the IR designation.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 29, 2019 at 12:22 am

Swisch, I usually just hit the dislike if I disagree with your choices. I wouldn't comment because I've already written several times which players I would keep. Repetitive posting is annoying. You like Lazard and I don't think he is very good. I've already written that Lazard can't run a route and changes direction like an aircraft carrier.

Don't sweat dislikes or even lack of comments.

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ShooterMcGee's picture

August 29, 2019 at 12:56 am

Last year it was rumored that we were trying to trade T. Davis. I wonder if that is still the case. If we could get anything for him, even a 7th rounder like we just got for Gilbert, would be great. Having Shepard makes him superfluous.

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Coldworld's picture

August 29, 2019 at 08:06 am

I would have agreed last year were Shepherd around then. LaFleur does not see them as interchangeable though. Shepherd is an agile slot with impressive field recognition and short area speed. Davis is a burner for use deep and on reverses or sweeps to stretch defenses deep or horizontally.

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Rcariveau's picture

August 29, 2019 at 09:24 am

Pretty sure they can cut Moore and no is claiming him. He hasn't put any good film on in two years. Bring him back on the PS possibly. I think they need to keep Shep, he reminds of a Cobb or Edelman. I think it would be a big mistake to leave Shep off the 53.

I am having flash backs of Taysom Hill 2 years ago.

Also no way trading 2 solid WR for a back up QB. Already thin enough at WR. If anything happens to Davante I really don't have a lot of faith in the rest of the WR's as they are all pretty much unproven.

MVS looks legit, Allison hasn't finished a full season healthy yet. Kumerow has played 2 games.

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

August 29, 2019 at 10:27 am

Kumerow played in 5 games, but I take your point. And last season was the first time Allison missed games with an injury, wasn't it? Again, another thing to mention regarding Allison and Kumerow is Rodgers has faith in both and he's particularly talked up Kumerow. Remember a few seasons ago when some Packers fans advocated getting rid of Adams? Rodgers wasn't shy in singing his praise either. Of course I'm not saying either Allison or Kumerow are on a par with Adams. But I am saying Rodgers sees the WRs every practice and doesn't praise every WR. I think Rodgers' opinion of the WR group is important.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

August 28, 2019 at 05:16 pm

Don't get the title of this article Key Battles Chiefs vs Packer. There isn't a chief player mentioned.

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DavidMichalski's picture

August 28, 2019 at 05:50 pm

Does Key Battles: Packers vs Packers work better for you? I’ll hang up and listen.

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LeotisHarris's picture

August 28, 2019 at 07:07 pm

Again, David, It's difficult to dispel ignorance if you retain arrogance.

Does tongue in cheek work better for you, or are you going to air on the side of caution again in case you're sighted for driving too fast on Hwy 29?

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DavidMichalski's picture

August 28, 2019 at 07:49 pm

Glad to see you still have a hard on for me buddy ;)

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Coldworld's picture

August 29, 2019 at 08:07 am

Really? Give the guy a break. I don’t necessarily agree but he has fostered a lively discussion.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

August 28, 2019 at 08:35 pm

Works a little better honestly. Otherwise you could talk aboit axtual matchups between people who won't be on the 53 man roster. Who do you have your eye on for the Packers? Which Chief bubble players should Packer fans be interested in? I don't really get the thene to your article.

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ShooterMcGee's picture

August 29, 2019 at 01:08 am

Jonathan I like your point about Chief bubble players. I would love to learn at which position are the Chiefs strongest/weakest. What players may be avaiable after cut downs. I know the Packer's roster up and down but league wide I haven't a clue.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

August 29, 2019 at 08:08 am

For the Pack a Day Podcast they have a guy who comes on that covers the Chiefs. I would enjoy hearing him talk or write an article on CHTV covering those Chief bubble players. Although it seems like we just add former Ravens or Jaguars lol.

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Lare's picture

August 28, 2019 at 05:25 pm

The OG play was bad last year. Crosby lost three games for them. I have no problem if they decide to let them go.

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shystr's picture

August 28, 2019 at 08:24 pm

Shouldn't our focus be on whether they have a better OG, before cutting Taylor?

And whether the candidate to replace Mason Crosby will perform better in Lambeau game conditions (than the current Packers points leader, all-time)?

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PackFan2005's picture

August 28, 2019 at 05:55 pm

For me right now, Adams, MVS, Allison, Kumerow, Davis, and Shepherd are the wide receivers making the roster. Hopefully if Allen Lazard doesn’t make the 53, then we can get him onto the practice squad. I also agree that EQ will go onto IR.

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August 29, 2019 at 01:11 am

I honestly don’t know how someone could disagree with this. These guys seem like the obvious choices- it was confusing before EQ got hurt, Lazard made some noise but it’s not like he’s DK Metcalf he’s just tall. I’ve been anti Trevor Davis in the past by I’m on the bus now. For those dissing Gmo and Kmero, watch a football game and pay attention.

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Coldworld's picture

August 29, 2019 at 08:10 am

I would still be anti Davis if MM were still here as a small speedster in that system would never thrive even if he were all world.

Now I see how LaFleur intends to use him I see his value (now that he has woken up to the need to play O).

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August 29, 2019 at 06:31 pm

I would trade him while the metal is hot.

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Packers2019's picture

August 28, 2019 at 06:17 pm

Regarding the preseason:
They will never get rid of it as long as fans continue to pay the outrageous prices for preseason games. That is lost revenue. The only way it is cut down is if the players union agrees to add on more regular season games. Good luck with that.

Lane Taylor:
If the Packers cut him someone should be fired. He is a great back up if he does not start and he does not save us that much money. I agree that if AR does not stay upright we are done for the season. Why would you not keep a solid back up for depth at both guard positions? If they trade him, they better get a 2nd round pick for him but that would never happen.

Crosby:
Again to cut him to save a little money would be foolish. Very difficult to find good kickers, especially ones that can kick in Green Bay winters. Good luck with Ficken if we choose him.

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August 28, 2019 at 07:00 pm

If they have any brains , he will stick. As you note minimal Cap savings.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

August 28, 2019 at 08:31 pm

Preseason tickets sell because teams won't sell you season ticket packages without them. It's manufactured demand.

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Coldworld's picture

August 29, 2019 at 08:12 am

I agree on Taylor. Ludicrous idea. I’m less opposed to Crosby. At some point it must happen and he isn’t great. Since I think this team is ascending not ascended, now might be better than next year.

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sam1's picture

August 28, 2019 at 06:25 pm

Packers trade Reggie Gilbert to Titans for 7th round pick next year! Leaves 4 linebackers!

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optimisticfan's picture

August 28, 2019 at 07:05 pm

... or more likely Gilbert being gone opens the way for Ramsey or Markus Jones to make the team on ST/OLB

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dobber's picture

August 28, 2019 at 07:51 pm

All in favor of getting something for someone who might not make your 53.

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sam1's picture

August 28, 2019 at 08:05 pm

It was just info, no opinion either way! Seems Gutensk or who ever is just trying put their own name on this team something like the hate by Trump of Obama!

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Fastenerpuller's picture

August 29, 2019 at 01:12 am

“Aye”

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dobber's picture

August 28, 2019 at 07:47 pm

...and so it begins!

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August 29, 2019 at 08:14 am

Always suspected that Gilbert didn’t fit. Not a speed rush guy and not big or powerful enough to replace the Smiths or Gary if needed.

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stockholder's picture

August 28, 2019 at 06:31 pm

Key Battles: 1. None of the above! 2. I believe Moore; should STILL be in the conversation. We reloaded the WRS FOR A REASON. After Adams and Davis developing. Moore must be given time. 3. ILB, With so many guys getting hurt. I’d roll with Summers. Forget the Risk. The guy will lead this team in Tackles. Show him some Love! 4. Jenkins / Turner are this team's new knights! It's about TIME! 5. Crosby has a foot in the grave. Still. Bet they keep him.

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Coldworld's picture

August 29, 2019 at 08:38 am

I’d love Moore to put up a blinder tonight as he has at times in camp. If he doesn’t it’s not skill it’s mental. If so PS is the best place for him.

I want to see Ford. He looks like a better RB than Carson. Can he emphasize that and block well tonight?

I want to see Sheldon. I think he has better coverage skills than any other ILB still standing plus size and speed. Want him on the roster.

I want to see Redmond. Need a backup FS. Guy gets in the right places and can play slot corner: go out and cement a spot!

I want to see Nijman. I think he has potential. I think he should be the last O lineman because I don’t think he will stay on our PS.

I want to see Wilkins. Is there any point in developing him on the PS?

I don’t want to see Summers, Shepherd or any other of the roster types playing any more than they have to, not just the Rodgers, Adams types.

We do not need injuries to anyone more than pencilled in. For the rest, go for it and prove it for all you are worth.

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greengold's picture

August 29, 2019 at 02:23 pm

Nicely stated.

I don't see Moore though. Pretty sure he is a lock to be cut. His claim to fame is route running? Seems we better route runners who also catch.

Otherwise, I agree with all of this. Plus, I want to see what Markus Jones can do with some real minutes at OLB, and on STs.

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August 28, 2019 at 08:05 pm

Keenum is the Redskins' starter, so that idea is out. The Colts are interested in Osweiler now, so that idea is probably out, too. I think we're stuck with what we've got-- unfortunately.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

August 28, 2019 at 08:55 pm

Well, there's still Brandon Weeden, Matt Cassel, and Landry Jones. Or, maybe Gute and MLF could coax Rex Grossman out of retirement. He's been out of football for 4 years but I bet he could still pull his "f*ck it, I'm going deep" routine.

All of this to say, our QB situation doesn't look optimal, but a more veteran presence at this point isn't necessarily an upgrade.

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August 29, 2019 at 08:38 am

Could not agree more.

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August 28, 2019 at 08:39 pm

David,
Regarding Leotis’ beef with you, he’s right. Be teachable.
Regarding point #2.
I would enjoy seeing Shep make the team.
Regarding point #4.
Are you suggesting that BG is determining to start Jenkins over Taylor? If so, isn’t that MLF’s job?
Regarding point #5.
Not even worth the time it took to read.

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August 29, 2019 at 08:44 am

BoCallahan, "David, Regarding Leotis’ beef with you, he’s right. Be teachable." LeotisHarris’ beef with David must pre-date this thread, right? Because LeotisHarris’ post doesn’t make much sense just in the context of this thread: LeotisHarris posted, “Again, David, It's difficult to dispel ignorance if you retain arrogance.” What ignorance? Having a little fun writing articles for CheeseHeadTV? The comment in question about Carli Lloyd was clearly tongue in cheek and after all, he wasn’t writing his master’s thesis.

The next comment LeotisHarris makes is, “Does tongue in cheek work better for you, or are you going to air on the side of caution again in case you're sighted for driving too fast on Hwy 29?” If that’s not referring to a previous problem between the two at best it’s a non-sequitur. At worst, it's nonsensical.

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August 29, 2019 at 11:39 am

TJV,
You are right. The origin pre-dates this thread.
On another note: I searched “Jack Vainisi.” Interesting read. I appreciate the honor you are showing to a man that played such a significant role in Packer history.

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August 29, 2019 at 04:08 pm

Thanks for that BoCallahan. Vainisi really was a trail blazer - really the first "modern" scout. Sadly he died at age 33 before Lombardi's first playoff game (the only one he ever lost). In addition to being the first to contact Lombardi to see if he'd be interested in the Packers HC job, he drafted Jim Ringo, Forrest Gregg, Bart Starr, Paul Hornung, Jim Taylor and Ray Nitschke before Lombardi arrived. He also signed Willie Wood as a FA and facilitated trades for Willie Davis and Henry Jordan. All are in the Hall of Fame.

He also drafted Max McGee, Bob Skoronski, Hank Gremminger, Ron Kramer, Dan Currie, Jerry Kramer (also a HOFer finally), Boyd Dowler, Tom Brown and Bob Jeter. After Vainisi's death Lombardi allegedly told Herb Adderley the only reason he was drafting him was because Jack liked him. Packers history would be much different if not for Jack Vainisi.

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August 29, 2019 at 06:40 pm

He made that team. An Icon of the NFL. Not a Fraud.

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BoCallahan's picture

August 29, 2019 at 07:03 pm

TJV,
Jack Vainisi’s tie to the Bears is also interesting.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 29, 2019 at 12:29 am

If either Jenkins or Lane Taylor plays, someone should be fired.

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Coldworld's picture

August 29, 2019 at 08:27 am

Agreed! I would say the same of nearly everyone in the top 45 (K, P and LS are low risk).

I don’t really understand why we would play Kizer or Boyle if we intend to keep at least one. We will need a back up who knows the system next week and they have surely had enough games and practices to come to a conclusion already.

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August 29, 2019 at 08:11 am

I would hate to see us trade Taylor. I have too many memories of McCray being a turnstile a RG last year to trust him protecting QB1. Madison is rusty/questionable and probably needs a year on the PS. That leaves Patrick as the only reliable backup interior lineman besides Taylor/Jenkins. Trading Taylor would leave us very thin on the interior.

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August 29, 2019 at 08:31 am

Absolutely keep Taylor. If he doesn’t win the starting role and we go through the season without Turner flipping to RT or a guard going down I will be ecstatic, but since that won’t happen, he is streets ahead of the next guard.

I have written elsewhere that McCray is at best 3rd string at every position in the line. As such, versatility is an unnecessary luxury. Cut him and keep Nijman.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

August 29, 2019 at 12:52 pm

I suspect McCray stays on the 53 and will get released if needed down the line to open up a spot for a returning IR or PUP player, assuming Nijman is showing enough development.

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greengold's picture

August 29, 2019 at 10:03 am

Right!!!!!

Holy crap! Protecting Aaron Rodgers is JOB #1. We ought to have learned that over the past 5 or more years at 1265.

I'd keep 10 OL on this roster, especially with the talent we DO have secured to this team, and many other NFL teams in desperate need at the position.

McCray is not one of them. Keep Nijman. Keep Madison. Don't even try them on the PS, because they would never make it that far. They will be signed away instantly.

This Packers team would fare just fine trimming other areas of the roster to make that happen. Safety? We are good with 3 in Savage, Amos, Greene. QB? We only need 2 in Rodgers and Boyle. RB? Is Jamaal Williams that much of a lock? ILB? We should be fine with 3 in Martinez, Summers and either of Crawford/Bolton. Maybe both Burks and Bolton go on IR? Unsure of prognosis on either of them at this point. Are either of them make or break players? Keeping Crawford would simply be insurance, or could add a FA/trade at the position that they might like better.

The recent trade of Gilbert for an R7 tells me we could readily trade a WR for much more. There are a number of teams desperate for a quality WR, and we have a ton of them.

The point is, KEEP those players with the potential to have the greatest impact on your team. Not just now, but for the future, especially this year at OL. As things stand, Nijman, with a year of development, might be able to step right in at RT next year in place of Bulaga. Madison? I believe by midseason he would easily be able to offer more than what McCray brings.

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August 29, 2019 at 06:42 pm

They could go ten and hide Madison on board.

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August 29, 2019 at 01:19 pm

IMO don't agree with your QB, give me Boyle or Kizer over those guys,not sure what you are looking at on WR Depth but no way Kumerow is in front of MVS, 6'5" guys larzard over Sheppard in my book, if you can trade taylor for proper compensation OK, but why would you cut a guy who is a legit starting G while keeping some of the others who are not (i.e., Patrick, McCray, Madison, Pankey, etc.) penny wise and pound foolish to cut him, if Crosby is not the kicker then a major mistake is being made, ILB needs something, just depends on who is cut

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