Join us for Day 2 of the CHTV NFL Draft Watch Party!

Join Aaron as he welcomes in Packers fans from around the world and a few special guests to watch Day 2 of the 2023 NFL Draft! Kicking off at 7pm est. 

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MooPack's picture

April 28, 2023 at 05:24 pm

This is were Gute makes his money. Lets Go!

42. TE Darnell Washington
He’s been my TE1 from the start. Packers visit. He could fall to the Packers, but there are three teams with TE needs ahead of them. Lions at #34, Rams at #36, and Saints at#40. Not to mention teams that could jump ahead. I think the Lions will take Mayer. I hope they do. All I hear is excuses for his athletic ability and why he dropped. Blah, blah, blah. No thanks. That leaves Washington, Luke Musgrave, Tucker Kraft, and Sam LaPorta as the next four. If the Packers want to ensure they get D. Wash, they’ll need to move to #33(Cardinals) or #35(Colts). I think either of those teams could take a trade down. To do so the Packers are going to have to give up their #116 in the 4th. Personally, I’d do it. Gute has a history of doing it. We shall see. Either way I still see them getting another TE later like Josh Whyle or Zack Kuntz to go with whomever they get from those mentioned.

45. WR Jonathan Mingo or Rashee Rice. Rice was a visit and my top WR available. Mingo is rated higher, but I think Rice is rated too low. He may be 3rd rd, but I’d be happy with either. JSN said in his draft interview the Packers are definitely looking for a WR. Let’s hope it’s soon.

78. Cursed round could go anywhere. I like S/CB Riley Moss, S Jartavius Martin, DL Jacqueline Roy, DL Zach Pickens, LB/S Marte Mapu, RB Roschon Johnson, OT Blake Freeland, OG Braeden Daniels, OG Nick Saldiveri

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 28, 2023 at 06:19 pm

In sum, the Packers would have been fine and better off choosing Jaxon Smith Njigba with the 13th pick and then choosing a tight end with pick #43 and fine adding an edge rusher with pick #45, the 2nd of their 2 second round picks, or even selecting an edge in the third round. The Packers need offensive play makers more than an premier edge rusher - which I don't think they got with Van Ness.

Hopefully the Packers get tight end Darnell Washington at 43 and a wide receiver at 45.

None of the 14 Packer Cheese Head TV writers chose Van Ness as their first pick - 5 made the most logical choice of Jaxon Smith Njigba, which was also the choice I had written several times. .

12 out of 14 of the Packer Cheese Head TV writers had the Packer choosing offense and

15 of the 31 picks in the first round were offense, including 10 at the skill positions: 3 QBs, 2 RBs, 1 TE, and 4 WRs.

In the Packers last 12 drafts, 11 times Brian and Thompson before him, picked defense with the 1st choice - only the pick of Love was an offense 1st pick.

Beyond the illogical choice of defense again, when Brian has been destroying the offense's weapons - loss of Davante, MVS, Lazard, Tonyan, Lewis, Cobb - with such a deep draft for edge rushers, couldn't Green Bay have traded down into the first round and picked up another pick, maybe a 2nd rounder and still drafted a good edge rusher?

Given Packers faux "Salary Cap Hell" Propaganda to help get rid of the longest tenured Packer and the main reason the Packers were even in the playoffs 11 of the last 15 years, pressing needs from this draft were 1) receivers for Love and 2) an edge rusher and some might say 3) safety and 4) a QB as a backup - or alternative - to Love should Jordan be a failure.

Was Lukas Van Ness even the best choice at Edge rusher , which is what the Packers needed?

Is Van Ness even an "edge rusher"?

NFL Draft Buzz had Van Ness as the 5th ranked defensive lineman behind Jalen Carter (1st d lineman, 4th overall, drafted 9th by the Eagles at ), Myles Murphy(2nd d lineman, 6th overall, drafted 28th by the Bengals),, Bryan Bresee (3rd d llneman, 19th overall, drafted 29th by the Saints) , and Calijah Kancey (4th d lineman, 21st overall), and ranked 26th overall.

At Edge Rusher NFL Draft Buzz ranks Van Ness as the 5th ranked player behind Will Anderson (1st edge rush, 2nd overall, drafted 3rd by the Texans), Myles Murphy (2nd edge rush, 6th overall, drafted 29thh by the Bengals), Tyree Wilson (3rd edge rusher, 11th overall, drafted 7th by the Raiders), Nolan Smith (4th edge rusher, 20th overall, drafted 30th by the Eagles)

The Packers would have been fine and better off choosing Jaxon Smith Njigba with the 13th pick and then choosing a tight end with pick #43 fine adding an edge rusher with pick #45, the 2nd of their 2 second round picks, or even selecting an edge in the third round. The Packers need offensive play makers more than an premier edge rusher - which I don't think they got with Van Ness.

After Nolan Smith for edge rusher there still was or is Will McDonald (6th edge, 39 overall) , BJ Qjulari (7th edge, 41 overall), Keion White (8th edge, 48th overall, , Isaiah Foskey (9th edge, 49th overall), Felix Anudike-Uzomah (10th edge, 51st overall), drafted 31st by the Chiefs), Adetomiwa Adebawore (11th edge, 52nd overall) , Derick Hall (12th edge, 56th overall), Andre Carter (13th edge, 69th overall) , Drew Sanders (14th edge, 70th overall), Byron Young (15th edge, 76h overall), Zach Harrison (16th overall, 80th overall), Nick Herbig,(17th edge, 84th overall) and my pick USC's Tuli Tuipulotu (18th ranked Edge, 95th overall) - who led the Nation in sacks with 13 and had 22 tackles for a loss in 2022 - in the 2nd or 3rd round after the Packers had secured a WR (had hoped Jaxon Smith-Njigba) and TE. Darnell Washington.

Or is Van Ness neither a D lineman or a edge rusher, but an outside/inside "tweener" DE/DT as Gutekunst in his interview seems to think the Packers are going to use Van Ness inside and outside?

Do the Packers need a jack of all trades "tweener" and is it realistic to think Van Ness can excel inside as a pass rusher and run stopper?

And Van Ness' coming in 24th among Edge Rushers in the bench press with 17 reps - relative to Rashan Gary's 26 reps in 2019 - is NOT due to Van Ness arm length as Ven Ness 34 inch am length is shorter than Gary's 34 and 1/8 inch arms and Keion White with the same 34 inch arms did 30 reps, coming in tied for 2nd.

This interview of Lukas Van Ness though is interesting because I think it is the PRE DOMINANT REASON that Brian chose Van Ness::

https://www.hawkcentral.com/videos/sports/college/iowa/football/2022/09/...

Brian sure got what he wanted in one way - he got a young, relatively ignorant, malleable, company man, a yes man, that is going to follow orders, not think or question much. A TRUE "COMPANY MAN" and Order Taker and OBEDIENT YES MAN who will ALWYAYS stick to the Company Line SCRIPT.

Brian (and Russ too I am sure) is intimidated - intellectually and other wise - by veterans that have been around the block and the know the game of football much better than Brian does and also know the business side.

Brian clearly from his words and body language views the VETERAN players as THE ENEMY.

It was clear early that Murphy was put in a tough spot with GM Ted Thompson - who like Murphy had played for years in the NFL and knew his way around the block - sudden terminal illness diagnosis. Mark did not see Brian or Russ Ball as having the skills or presence or gravitas to fill Ted Thompson's position as GM, so the divided their duties and put Lafleur at the same level in the Packer organizational chart, all reporting to Murphy.

The more you watch and listen to Brian, not only his actions, but words and body language you see why Murphy made the choice he did in 2018 to divide up responsibilities and have Lafleur and Ball AND Brian report directly to him. .

From the start Brian was insecure in his position as GM and viewed experienced solid and star veteran players and leaders in the locker room as his enemies, especially Aaron Rogers.

And in Brian's early choices of Jaire in 2018, as good as he is, rather than offensive playmaking receivers like tight end Hayden Hurst or wide receivers DJ Moore or Calvin Ridley, and Rashan with the 12th pick rather than trading up for TE TJ Hockenson or trading down for TE Noah Fant, WR Marquise Brown, WR N'Keal Harry, WR Deebo Samuel, WR AJ Brown, WR Mecole Hardman, and especially Love rather than trading up for Justin Jefferson or staying in place and drafting Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman Jr.,Brian spited Aaron and spited the Packers and spited the Packer fans.

With Ted terminally ill and sick in 2017 - and not functioning well probably much earlier:

"Late in the 2017 season, Mark Murphy and I had a conversation about my health and future with the Packers," he said. "At that time, we mutually agreed that it was in the best interests of myself and the organization to step away from my role as general manager. In consultation with team physician Dr. John Gray, I began a complete health evaluation that has included second opinions over the last year from the Medical College of Wisconsin, the Mayo Clinic and the UT Southwestern Medical Center.
"I have been diagnosed with an autonomic disorder. I feel that it’s important to mention that based on the test results and opinions of medical specialists, they feel that I do not fit the profile of someone suffering from chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE)."

the 2017 draft - with the Packers with pick #29 and ignoring TJ Watt (picked 30th by the Steeler) or an offensive playmaker (TE Njoko, WR Zay Jones, WR Curtis Samuel, RB Dalvin Cook) - and trading down 2 slots to pick Kevin King - and then picking Josh Jones in the 2nd round with pick #61 with Ju Ju Smith Schuster being taken net by the Steelers, has Brian's fingerprints all over it.

Brian is a contrarian, in his actions and the source of that contrary behavior is worrisome as it seems to be based on Brian's insecurities.

When the players and fans anyone that is logical thinker, think through the situation and make their wishes publicly known, Brian does the opposite. And if a player or fan or anyone QUESTIIONS, Brian, with his youth and inexperience as a GM is magnified in his REACTIONARY and impulsive actions.

I view Brian as A SPITEFUL and insecure GM that is in over his head

All you have to do is go back and listen to the various Packer Press Conference interviews of Aaron and Brian - this year go listen to the January 8, 2023 Rodgers press conference following the Lions game, then listen to Brian's press conference on January 13, February 28th and Aaron Rodgers appearance on Pat McAfee from January through February 2023 and then Brian March 28th and April 24, and Aaron and Brian on April 26th. .

For any TRUE Packer Fan - those who, unlike the 31 Billionaire Parasite NFL owners, purchase Packer Share wanting to help the team knowing full well that that not only aret they not going to profit, but they are also not going to ever get their money back - it is VERY IMPORTANT to listen to the actual press conferences and interviews, NOT the Media's reporting of them, as the NFL Media is owned by the NFL and its 31 Billionaire Owners' talking heads.

Rodgers EXCELLENCE hid Packer Management's shortcomings and insecurities in Brian and incompetence in the case of Brian and Russ and now we are going to see the realities as the next 4 years of Aaron Rodgers contract - hopefully the Jets/Giants disastrous artificial turf (still artificial turf despite the Billionaires changes this year) does spell Aaron's non contact leg injuries or end as it has so many other NFL players - and Jordan's time as starter with the Packers play out.

Now Brian knows that his drafting of a wide receiver, running back or tight end, in the first round, for Jordan's first year as a starter - WHICH IS THE LOGICAL THING TO DO - will be perceived CORRECTLY as Brian having been SCREWING the longest tenured Packer - AND THE PACKER TEAM AND THEIR FANS - over the last several years.

Now Love gets screwed too.

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Kolo's picture

April 29, 2023 at 01:12 am

Get help dude

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 06:26 pm

Yeah!!! LaPorta to DET. Sorry to the LaPorta fans.

In-line is most important for us rn.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:00 pm

Now he whiffs on damaged goods@ the TE spot. This StarrtoRodgers dude is pretty reliable in his assessments.

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MooPack's picture

April 28, 2023 at 06:28 pm

Scrolled right past that. Not interested in reading a short story tonight.

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 06:38 pm

Past what? Gigantic visual speed bump. Fuckin’ A.

Lol.

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Lphill's picture

April 28, 2023 at 06:31 pm

Let Mayer get away and had 2 second rounders to bargin with .

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 06:37 pm

Good.

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 06:36 pm

Steve Avila to Rams. Loved the kid for GB.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:22 pm

Vorhees later on as the sleeper pick. He is a beast and should recover from the ACL. 38 reps...

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Swisch's picture

April 28, 2023 at 06:45 pm

Derick Hall of Auburn born four months premature at only about 2 pounds, now drafted into the NFL in the 2nd round as a massive defender of about 6'2", 252 pounds.
Pro-life!!! All lives matter!

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Coldworld's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:29 pm

Not here and now please Swish. Let’s enjoy the draft for the trivial fun it is?

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:59 pm

careful, your sheet and pillowcase are showing.

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MooPack's picture

April 28, 2023 at 06:47 pm

Mingo. Damn.

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 06:54 pm

Darnell to the Packers. ARI stacked at TE.

YEAH!!! Fuckin’ DO IT, Gutekunst!!!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:16 pm

LOL!

Sorry man! Gutey throwing surprise punches left & right....other than I picked the Musgave pick!

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ArlenWilliams's picture

April 28, 2023 at 06:56 pm

MUSGRAVE! He's got the football-mind and apparently the better receiver jukes -- and what? He jumps higher!

Great pickup to interview Tramone when you did. AND some good insights and I haven't heard any pottymouth!

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Swisch's picture

April 28, 2023 at 06:58 pm

What about Keanu Benton for the Packers?

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 06:59 pm

Damn it!!! Musgrave? Now???

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:07 pm

This guy is destroying this team....

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:18 pm

I always expected either Kincaid (Plan A), or the back-up Luke Musgrave (Plan B) for the big/power slot WR. Never saw the Jaydeen Reed pick. Never in 100 -years!

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Coldworld's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:00 pm

Offense. If his health is really not an issue, then we just got a weapon in Musgrave. Still need a TE though.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:09 pm

I'll lay money he's the next Sternberger.....

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:19 pm

Disagree!

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:34 pm

No production.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:19 pm

Musgrave as a big/power Slot WR will be a big weapon for Jordan Love. Been high on my radar all along, but yes....need a tight end!

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:42 pm

As a slot guy ,yes if his body holds up.

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MooPack's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:01 pm

Musgrave. Potential. Potential. Packers looking for the higher ceiling guys early. Maybe double down on DW with 45?

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:08 pm

Traded to Dee troit...WTF...

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Lphill's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:10 pm

Packers trading back to load up on 7 th round picks allowing the Lions to snag Branch .

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13TimeChamps's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:12 pm

I'll be honest that I don't follow college football that much. I've never heard of this guy, so looked him up.

47 receptions and 2 TDs in his entire college career? This warrants a 2nd round pick? Surprising.

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Coldworld's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:16 pm

Perhaps potentially a better Kincaid (ie a big WE listed as a TE), on athletic potential. Had a significant injury, which I thought might have him off our board. Played as a catcher in a run first O. Upside pick and Lazard role and potentially much more of a weapon (and less of a blocker at this point).

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:28 pm

Now go check Tucker Kraft's stat sheet.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:25 pm

13Time,
I anticipated the Luke Musgrave pick & I like it! He is the new WR slot guy and if he can stay healthy he will be a load. However, I will be honest, I never ever once researched Jayden Reed because he wasn't rated high on the boards, and I just don't have that much time to dig that far down. Totally surprise but then I never once heard anyone else on CCTV mention his name either. This is a surprise pick! In looking at this tape he doesn't fit the normal Packer WR pick being 5'11” and 187 pounds running a 4.45 in the 40-yard. I thought without any question the Packers would want a bigger body WR to replace Lazard. LOL! Gutey....you are the ultimate surprise! Tape on Reed I like him but will be interesting to see how that translates to the NFL.

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barutanseijin's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:33 pm

He’s on McGinn’s top 100 as the bottom ranked receiver.

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PatrickGB's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:15 pm

So we get an extra fifth rounder to move back just a couple.

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PatrickGB's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:34 pm

Never mind.

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MooPack's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:21 pm

Packers just traded back again. Now 50th. So have two 5ths and two 6ths now.

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:25 pm

Great players to be had there, Moo!

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:30 pm

This guy at GM is a train wreck...That's the way to do it Move Backwards....

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:22 pm

No. We traded down to 48, getting an R5, then traded 48 for 50 and an R6!

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And we take Jayden Reed!!! WR!

I love Reed! OMG.

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Coldworld's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:27 pm

Competition time in camp?

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:33 pm

WR!!! Yes, my friend!!!

COMPETITION!

Fuck yeah!!!

Reed is definitely a QB’s Best Friend!!!

- 70.3% success rate vs. man
- 79.2% success rate vs. zone
- 77.8% success rate vs. press, 87th percentile and best in the class
(Per Matt Harmon)

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:28 pm

Damn I love Gutekunst on draft day. He plays the draft board like a virtuoso musician plays their instrument. This is great entertainment!

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:31 pm

My heart tho!!! Whoosh!!!

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Packerpasty's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:47 pm

sorry fanboy but not everyone see's it that way...

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:38 pm

Schneider is going to town, while this guy is going to the Ice Cream Social, keeping the Church Ladies happy with the 2-4-1 bingo cards.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:27 pm

Never saw you mention him but in looking at tape I like him. Be interesting to see how his talent translates to the NFL. Total surprise to me and I knew nothing about this kid.

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Lphill's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:27 pm

Well its official Packers are in a build for the future mode by taking project developmental players would have been nice to give Love a TE like Mayer who could start now , now Love knows how Rodgers felt watching the draft.

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Coldworld's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:32 pm

Reality is better than denial.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:45 pm

The reality is that this is a reload and not a rebuild. All of these guys can play and the best class in history from last year will improve.
Both of you are in a negative little bubble.

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relleum61's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:34 pm

Is Gutey acquiring these extra 5th's and 6th's to mix them with the 7th's and trade back up to get more picks 4th? That does seem to be his "sweet" spot.

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PatrickGB's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:46 pm

That would be nice.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:02 pm

"Is Gutey acquiring these extra 5th's and 6th's to mix them with the 7th's and trade back up to get more picks 4th? That does seem to be his "sweet" spot."

Relleum61,

Bran picks 4th and 5th rounders in the middle of the 2nd round, so I don't know why he needs more 4th and 5th and 6th rounders, probably so Brian can pick 7th rounders with 4th round picks and undrafted free agents with 5th and 6th rounders.

By Lance Zierlein
NFL Analyst
Draft Projection
Rounds 4-5
NFL Comparison
Greg Ward

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Coldworld's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:34 pm

Jayden Reed wasn’t one of my favored types or players. Anyone got an insight on why him?

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:38 pm

Fucking A we got a great one.

- 70.3% success rate vs. man
- 79.2% success rate vs. zone
- 77.8% success rate vs. press, 87th percentile and best in the class
(Per Matt Harmon)

Coldworld, I think he suffered a leg injury that may take some of TC for him to yet recover from if I recall that correctly.

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Coldworld's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:49 pm

Cant say I’m seeing it on a quick dive. Smaller, not elite at long speed or short area, tendency to body catch. Now, I don’t take a few major sites as gospel, but I’m not seeing him as a 2nd rounder. Does look like he’s not a pure slot despite his size, it’s not a pick I’m liking or understanding at this point.

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:05 pm

Reed is a Slot/Z WR.

Good Z receivers are not the easiest to find. Reed was one of the most dangerous Big10 deep threats at WR. Awesome catch and run. Elusive with huge breakaway speed. Really great adjusting to poor throws too.

Another high production guy despite poor QB play.

2021 55 rec,1026 yds, 17.4 avg, 10 TD.

I preferred the tough Rashee Rice as our 1st WR add, but Reed is solid.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:39 pm

Coldworld,

You Brian Gutekunst paid TROLL - GO AWAY!!
JAYDEN REED:
By Lance Zierlein
NFL Analyst
Draft Projection
Rounds 4-5
NFL Comparison
Greg Ward

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:45 pm

Quit being a fucking nob.

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PatrickGB's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:41 pm

Punt returner. Better than Amari.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:42 pm

His athleticism and most of his measurables appear underwhelming. Yet he appears to be versatile - including a PR & KR. However I will suspend any judgement when Packers select a 2nd round WR.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:29 pm

Blind sided CW & knew zero to little about him. Doesn't fit the Packer prototype, or replace the size & physicality of Lazard. Total surprise but in looking at his video highlights I like this kids potential. Been wanting a WR with his movement. Only 5'11” and 187 pounds running a 4.45. On surface nothing jumps out but his highlights show pretty well.

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MooPack's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:37 pm

Jayden Reed +++ Punt returner. Special Teams might just be sick this year.

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Coldworld's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:39 pm

We have a pretty good one this year already though

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:30 pm

A one-year rental..................................like maybe the ST's coach........

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:48 pm

Absolutely, Moo. Sique.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:40 pm

Coldworld,

You Brian Gutekunst paid TROLL - GO AWAY!!
JAYDEN REED:
By Lance Zierlein
NFL Analyst
Draft Projection
Rounds 4-5
NFL Comparison
Greg Ward

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greengold's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:47 pm

Quit being a fucking nob. AGAIN.

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Packerpasty's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:48 pm

another project..woohoo....he is good on special teams I guess..

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Coldworld's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:53 pm

Lol. As deluded as myopic and repetitive. Normally I’m being attacked for being too anti FO, so makes a change.

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stockholder's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:40 pm

These guys weren't on anybodies Boards.
So much for BPA.

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Packerpasty's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:45 pm

Dont worry too much about all of this, in two years, Gutes, MLF and probably Love will be Adios sent on their ways....maybe Rich B in charge who knows...some of these players are OK, projects but thats what Gutes apparently likes....anyways, sad to say after two years of cellar dwelling Packers will have a new regime....gotta suffer a bit first though...and watch the Lions win the division...UGH!!!

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SpikeHyzer's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:50 pm

Hardly. Have you seen that questionable Lions' draft? They had two very high picks and drafted value that was way below draft slot (28 and 58 drafted at 12 and 18). Positions of need, but they were also ranked their lowest of the 5 needs on ESPN and wouldn't be called high value positions (especially considering what was on the board at their biggest needs).
Bears have started off OK. Vikes had a good pick.
Pack has done very well to my mind, and with development should win the division easily. This regime is in place for the next decade.

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Coldworld's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:03 pm

Their draft is odd for sure. Yesterday and now high floor but possibly low ceiling types.

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Untylu1968's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:11 pm

Apparently he was on the Packers board..

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Packerpasty's picture

April 28, 2023 at 07:52 pm

Gutekunst....smartest guy in the room syndrome....picks all projects and players to develop....sounds good if your the Chiefs...

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stockholder's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:00 pm

I warned everybody.
Gutey traded Rogers for his own glory.
Gutey thinks he's a rock star.
You cut a great hit.
Then produce shit to make that hit greater.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:35 pm

"I warned everybody.
Gutey traded Rogers for his own glory.
Gutey thinks he's a rock star.
You cut a great hit.
Then produce shit to make that hit greater."

Stockholder,

You got it.

Gutekunst, purely due to the sudden terminal illness of Thompson was thrust into his position - though Murphy put him on the same level in the organizational chart as Ball and Lafleur - and was insecure and felt unworthy of that position.

Brian was especially insecure around NFL Players, especially VETERAN Star NFL players because unlike Thompson, Brian had never played in the NFL.

Instead of opening up communications and listening to the Veterans and hearing their points of view and building relationships, Brian was afraid of the Packer vets and viewed them as HIS ENEMY that he had to screw and try to intimidate and beat down with threats of and Franchise tags and releases and trades..

Every illogical and contrary move now is done - as you say - to show Aaron, Davante, Cobb, Mercedes, Tonyan, Clay Matthews, Jordy Nelson, Corey Linsley, etc. and Packer Fans and those that question him, that he knows better than all of them.

Just listen to all of Brian's press conferences and then listen to those of Packer Veterans.

Brian - and Russ Ball - know the COST OF EVERYTHING AND THE VALUE OF NOTHING - including the value of Players with NFL experience and TEAM CHEMISTRY and consistency and comradery.

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marpag1's picture

April 29, 2023 at 05:08 pm

Cool story.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:52 pm

None of these picks are the result of a Rational Mind. Rock Stars sometimes end up in Rehab.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:01 pm

So far, 9 picks tomorrow. Van Ness, Musgrave and Reed selected....3rd rounder coming up.

That's 13 potential roster spots on rookie contracts...take that Cap Monster!

So far...

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:32 pm

Van Ness & Musgrave have huge upside and potential. The Reed pick.....knew nothing about him but like his highlights. Mo Melton & Toure watch out for Reed!

I will just say the Lions are killing it in the draft. Like what they are doing and now just took Hendon Hooker. Feel like they are creative and are willing to think out of the box starting with an injured Williams last year. How they plan on using Gibbs this year, and now Hendon.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:02 pm

Don't get the Reed pick at all. Small, slow, you just ate it with a similar pick in Amari Rodgers, there just had to be better players available. Desperation for a receiver I guess. He won't beat out Samaji Toure so in the 2nd round, you're picking a project. Love the first two picks but this one doesn't inspire. Hoping to be very wrong. Maybe he's a young Randall Cobb.

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Coldworld's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:05 pm

Yes, baffles me too.

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Merrell B Chittenden's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:26 pm

Not THAT small and not slow any means. You must be reading the wrong draft profile.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:13 pm

About the same size as Greg Jennings. Both ran a 4.45. Both went to W. Michigan, Reed for a year until transferring to MSU. Both were 2nd round picks.

Greg caught 238 passes for 3,500+ yards and 39 TDs.
Reed caught 203 passes for 2,866 and 26 TDs.

As I look at their college production, Reed generated about 80% of Gregs production over 4 years. However most of Reed's production was in the B1G. Jennings in the MAC. Evens thing up a bit.

If he can run routes even close to the precision of Greg, he could be an under the radar steal. If not...he will a 2nd round kick and punt returner.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:03 pm

"Is Gutey acquiring these extra 5th's and 6th's to mix them with the 7th's and trade back up to get more picks 4th? That does seem to be his "sweet" spot."

Relleum61,

Bran picks 4th and 5th rounders in the middle of the 2nd round, so I don't know why he needs more 4th and 5th and 6th rounders, probably so Brian can pick 7th rounders with 4th round picks and undrafted free agents with 5th and 6th rounders.

By Lance Zierlein
NFL Analyst
Draft Projection
Rounds 4-5
NFL Comparison
Greg Ward

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Coldworld's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:07 pm

Don’t repost. We can read.

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stockholder's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:08 pm

Gutey shouldn't be acquiring picks if the Goal is to win.
Enjoy the rebuild and the revolving door.
He must get rid of MLF and you go rebuild to to do it.

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Coldworld's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:19 pm

Gute can’t get rid of MLF. He’s filling our roster in this draft though, certainly. I get the thinking behind the Musgrave gamble . I’m lost on Reed at this point, but let’s see.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:07 pm

After further thought on the Reed pick - Greg Jennings comes to mind with similar height, speed, hands and route runner. Only a little lighter than GJ. Once again, the Packers record on selecting 2nd round WRs has been very good.

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Coldworld's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:10 pm

Interesting idea. About ten pounds lighter I think.are his hands that good, I’m seeing some contrary assessments of them?

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:24 pm

I may be amused by the approximate symmetry to both players - both 2nd rounders, both Michigan guys, similar measurables and traits etc.

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BAMABADGER's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:23 pm

Why not Marvin Mims, who has speed, over Reed???

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:32 pm

I'm thinking that Reed may have a more expanded route tree at this point. Plus he is a proven cold weather receiver having played at Michigan.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:38 pm

I don't know enough about Reed but on the surface I totally agree about Mim's who was one of my favorites, plus with 3.36 speed much faster than the 4.45 speed of Reed. Gutey keeps things fun & interesting. Just hope he hit home runs on each of these guys!

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:39 pm

The Saints 71st pick is coming up.

Trade up and immediately draft Darnell Washington before he is gone.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:41 pm

Has Darnell Washington been selected?

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stockholder's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:53 pm

Steelers got him.

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PastorSteve's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:56 pm

Old Bad Packer Days names:
John Spilis
Barty Smith, Barry Smith
Dave Pureifory
Scott Hunter
Samkon Gado

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 28, 2023 at 08:57 pm

Zach Harrison at pick # 75 will turn out to be a better player than Van Ness at pick #13.

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Merrell B Chittenden's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:31 pm

LOL...

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:02 pm

I'm so encouraged by this draft. It feels like Ted Thompson is running it. Stockpiling picks. Taking younger players with huge upside. Following your board, loading up on multiple players at a position. 2 tight ends. Musgrave with football DNA. Guys from Iowa. Fantastic.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:17 pm

I too am enjoying Gutekunst's draft work. However I preferred Thompson's earlier draft proficiency than his later ones.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:58 pm

Getting into the sixth round is important. Good maneuvering.

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MooPack's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:03 pm

Ok. Tucker Kraft. Must be some concerns about Darnell Washington we don’t know about. I’m good with it. TE room rebuilt.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:08 pm

Now I'm thinking that there may be a negative medical or character report on Washington within the inner circle.

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MooPack's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:15 pm

I’m thinking it might be intelligence / ability to pick up play calls, etc.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:20 pm

It has to be something because his free-fall is not a coincidence.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:06 pm

So Gutekunst hits the TE exacta - with one pass catcher (Musgrave) and one in-line blocker (Kraft). So check the TE box for the Packers.

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Coldworld's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:32 pm

Like the Kraft pick. That’s leaving tomorrow for S, DL, CB and IOL, and hopefully a size/speed prospect at WR.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:40 pm

We appear to have the picks to cover all positions. Wondering if drafting a QB and/kicker is in the plan with one of the 7th rounders?

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Coldworld's picture

April 28, 2023 at 11:12 pm

I wouldn’t be surprised with those numbers

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:04 pm

CBs, S, Edge, QB, Five Tech and the DTs. Justin Shorter from Florida a s the big WR.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:14 pm

Kraft - for the pick # - is probably the best Packer pick and that's not saying much.

I am shocked that Darnell Washington who was projected to go as high as mid first round - 15 to 20 - is still around at 82.

Watching college football there was no tight end like Darnell Washington - and he was playing against SEC competition week in and week out.

He looked better than any other tight end at the NFL combine catching the ball

In the TCU National Championship game - as he had done throughout the regular season - threw around the offensive tackle like he was a rag doll - replay Darnell's games, including that one.

Wonder what is going on with that.

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barutanseijin's picture

April 29, 2023 at 12:14 am

This may be difficult for you to get your head around, S2R, but NFL scouts and GMs may know a thing or two about him that you don’t.

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MooPack's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:24 pm

Packers are going to own day 3. 9 picks. Damn!

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Merrell B Chittenden's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:29 pm

8 picks, but 4 of them are 7th rounders.

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MooPack's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:31 pm

ESPN has 9.

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Merrell B Chittenden's picture

April 28, 2023 at 10:00 pm

I probably missed one.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 28, 2023 at 09:36 pm

An action - adventure appears in the making for tomorrow. Although I think that Gute may use a couple of the picks to move-up.

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