Is What’s Best for Aaron Rodgers Still What’s Best for the Green Bay Packers?

Earlier this week, Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers said he would be making his decision about his football future “soon enough.” While the front office and Packers fans everywhere continue to wait, one question that needs to be considered is whether the interests of the team and Rodgers are still on the same page. Or, simply put, in 2023, is what’s best for Aaron Rodgers still what’s best for the Green Bay Packers?

Rodgers has said he believes he can still play at an elite level this season if he chooses to return and that he wants a chance to win another Super Bowl title. He has also said that if he returns to play with the Packers, he wants some of “his guys” to be there with him. He mentioned kicker Mason Crosby, wide receivers Randall Cobb and Allen Lazard, tight end Marcedes Lewis and offensive tackle David Bakhtiari as some of the players he would like to return with him if he opts to continue to play in Green Bay.

Can the Packers afford to keep most of those players under contract in 2023, still pay Rodgers and absorb the large dead cap hit when he retires and still field a team that can contend for a Super Bowl this season?

Keep in mind that these veteran players will cost more money than the younger players or rookies who would likely replace them and have less upside over the long term than those potential replacements.

Also, are these veterans still good enough to help the Packers contend in 2023? Would Rodgers be OK with keeping some of these players but not all of them? Is the generation gap between Rodgers and many of his teammates causing a chemistry problem on this team?

GM Brian Gutekunst has hinted that he wants to make sure Rodgers is “all-in” if he decides to return to Green Bay next season. That means attending voluntary OTAs and working with his younger teammates throughout the offseason. Even if Rodgers himself doesn’t need the work, showing up shows commitment to the team and to the development of those younger players and sets the right tone in the locker room. Is the quarterback willing to make that commitment?

Are the Packers better off in the long run taking a small step back this season, absorbing the large dead cap hit Rodgers will leave them with but adding some draft picks and/or players who can help speed up a retooling and proceeding to give Jordan Love a shot at starting quarterback?

If the team doesn’t have a realistic chance to win with Rodgers this season, the answer very well could be yes. If they feel they can surround Rodgers with enough talent to contend, maybe they go all in one more time to try to get Rodgers another ring.

If they can’t, maybe Rodgers’ best chance at another championship run would be with a young and talented New York Jets team or some other NFL team willing to pay the cost of acquiring him.

The Packers have had the good fortune of having two Hall of Fame quarterbacks in a row in Rodgers and Brett Favre. Since 1992, the team has had two all-time greats under center starting nearly every game. That’s roughly three decades of elite quarterback play, something almost no other NFL franchise has had. Can Jordan Love add to this streak or does he lack the potential to be a great NFL starter?

These are extremely difficult questions that Rodgers on the one hand and Gutekunst, Mark Murphy and the rest of the Packers front office on the other hand must decide upon in the next few weeks.

One thing is certain: the best interests of the Green Bay Packers and the best interests of Aaron Charles Rodgers will not be in harmony forever. As great as Rodgers has been, he is not and never will be bigger than the team.

The Packers should keep Rodgers for as long as he gives the team the best chance to win football games without destroying the long-term future of the organization. Figuring out when that time has passed is not easy and it’s what all the interested parties have to do right now.

 

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:09 pm

Yes. A mutual, respectful, parting.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 02:53 pm

Hey, CW. Welcome to the darkside!! Instead of a fight to the death that benefits neither, they actually use the prefrontal cortex and find a better option.

You remember the Favre Stuff. The Final Interception. Retired on March 4. Unretired. Then retired. Then said "Release me". Wanted to go to Minnesota, to "stick it" to the organization. Went on national TV and tried to pressure management. Ultimately returned to Green Bay and was told he was done here and it was Rodgers' team now. Finally accepted a trade to the Jets, where he played well, but faded towards the end and then retired, again, and then finally went to Minnesota where he got to stick it to us. Twice. It cost us the division and a home playoff game. So he had his revenge.

The adults in charge: The Board, Murphy, Gutekunst, LaFleur, Rodgers....don't want that. It made everybody look bad. As the guys in the suits around the table are saying "It's bad business".

For the Packers, they've prepared. They've got a guy they think can run the offense. They think he's ready. For Rodgers, instead of trying to force his way back, a la Favre, he can look like the bigger, more enlightened guy and just put his cards on the table: I'd like to keep playing, and if you want to go with Love then please trade me to someplace I could play for a while because I still want to.

It's the only scenario that's a win for Rodgers. A retirement, when he still wants to play, is not a win. Forcing his way back onto a team that he knows is trying to move on is not a win. What is he going to accomplish in Green Bay this year that he couldn't do somewhere else? (you can ponder that, and maybe come up with some suggestions, but they aren't going to be team-oriented goals).

It's March 2. Deadline is the 15th. A guy who is all-in would have been on the phone with Gutekunst this morning. Like Love is, on a regular basis, apparently.

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:07 pm

I agree that an all in approach typically tends not to come where protracted decision making is required. However, that’s not always true. In any case, I’m not confident enough that enough of the Packers big 4 will see that, even after they didn’t last year. Here is to hoping, with whatever part of the cortex.

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Packerpasty's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:04 pm

So you know that Love is on the phone with Gutekunst regularly hey...wow..you got super powers to know that shit...laughable by another amateur GM...

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:19 pm

Gute said as much earlier this week: “pretty constant contact” with Love since the season ended.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:32 pm

I guess Packerpasty's nephew missed that news. Must be a busy week at Woodmans.

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greengold's picture

March 03, 2023 at 04:52 am

This is first-rate material.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:41 pm

Yes, I know that. I have a superpower. I can read.. Gutekunst said “I’m on the phone with him”.

Look, you fumbled. Do better next time.

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NickPerry's picture

March 03, 2023 at 05:59 am

OPPS...

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wiremans12's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:26 pm

Just get it done had enough of this drama queen.

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:33 pm

“Are the Packers better off in the long run taking a small step back this season, absorbing the large dead cap hit Rodgers will leave them with but adding some draft picks and/or players who can help speed up a retooling and proceeding to give Jordan Love a shot at starting quarterback?“

Yes. 100%.

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As to this point: "As great as Rodgers has been, he is not and never will be bigger than the team."

Our last playoff game, the NFC Divisional Round game in January of 2022, showed Rodgers, in fact, was bigger than the team. Throwing to no other WR for an entire 3 Quarters than Davante Adams?

The final score was 13-0, and we lost to Aaron Rodgers, and, whatever the hell it was he was doing out there. We didn't lose to San Francisco that night.

The Packers FO running him back out for more of like nonsense in 2022, foregoing a trade of him elsewhere when his price was its highest cements that notion as true.

A true parting of ways with Aaron Rodgers is best for both parties at this juncture. Sad but true.

The Packers are simply not set up to surround AR with the talent he requires to make a legit challenge to win another Lombardi Trophy.

Get him off our books via retirement or trade? That's another story, and I believe firmly we could contend in 2023 should that happen.

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Tundraboy's picture

March 03, 2023 at 01:55 am

Couldn't be said any better. Excellent work.

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Packer_Fan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:39 pm

We will know on the day that free agency starts that Rodgers is traded and what draft choices the Pack will receive. The traded team will work out a new contract with Rodgers for three to four years. And the Packers will be in the fray for free agents for Love. Yup, it will be a good day for the Pack.

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dobber's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:40 pm

Any team trading for 12 would need to be granted permission to talk to him in advance of the trade being completed. If that happens, it will be ahead of the tampering period, and it will be the worst kept secret in the NFL.

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splitpea1's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:41 pm

Here we go again....and again.

How is it that by parting with Rodgers we would be taking "a small step back"? We already finished with a losing record last season and could not win a home game when it mattered most.

His presence has already nibbled in to the long-term future of the team by costing us a nice haul of draft picks before last season. And why should he have the slightest amount of input on whether or not to bring certain special teams players back?

Unfortunately the front office has already demonstrated that he IS bigger than the team through their actions. And they shouldn't have to force him to engage him in the "all-in" activities that were mentioned; does he need a Kyler Murray-style contract to enforce his commitment?

The only "extremely difficult question" is how much more of a monumental pain in the ass Rodgers can be than he already is. Just move on and give the team a breath of fresh air and the fans something to get excited about again.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:48 pm

Thank you splitp! Time to give peas a chance...

God, put a call into #12...tell him it is okay to let go. I know, I know #92 received a different message. (If not too busy, please call the NYJ, LVR, SF, SEA, etc...)

Thank God! 😁

*Life is a balancing act of hanging on and letting go.

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Untylu1968's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:49 pm

Couldn't win a home game against the F-ing LIONS! Being a packer fan in Michigan, it was a kick to the nuts...

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:57 pm

Bravo, splitpea1. Bravo. Standing O!!!!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:48 pm

Well said Split!

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 02, 2023 at 04:02 pm

It's generally thought to be a step back after a Hall of Fame player leaves, particularly a guy who a season ago won back-to-back MVPs. But short, memories and broken thumb and such and fans want to run the best QB ever to play for GB right out of town.

Many Hall of Fame QBs have had a ton of impact on which players they wanted around them, what offense to run, what plays to call. Same with Brady, same with Peyton, etc. Why do you think Tampa Bay went out and tried to get Brady's friends like Gronk and that crazy WR guy? He's saying what he'd like and they can say yes or no. If he thinks what he knows of those guys will help him win a ring, then that's his opinion and he can have it and speak it.

Note the Step Back of:

Colts without Peyton
Pats without Brady
Steelers without Big Ben
Saints without Brees

These teams are all struggling to even make the playoffs. With Rodgers, except for his first season as a starter and years he's been injured (like a broken thumb in 2022), they've made the playoffs every single year.

So that is how it would be to take a step back, unless by some miracle Jordan Love is so game-ready he doesn't play like a first year starter.

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:21 pm

Packers without Favre? Did we make the playoffs last year? Is there a reason why none of those QBs are still playing? Is there a reason why do few QBs even start at 40? All of the ones you mentioned didn’t. Most still started at least a year too many.

The question Isn’t whether we should move on from Rodgers coming off a Hall of Fame season in his 30s. It never will be again. Unfortunately that’s always the question that you seem to be answering.

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Tundraboy's picture

March 03, 2023 at 02:06 am

Lots of great posts here, and this is the best!

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NickPerry's picture

March 03, 2023 at 06:01 am

Awesome, AWESOME comment splitpea1!

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ricky's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:47 pm

It is time for Rodgers to pass the torch to a new generation. At this point, the team can continue to kowtow to Rodgers, bring back "his guys" whether the team wants them or not, and continue to let him run the offense as he sees fit. It will mean another year when we repeatedly hear that Aaron Jones needs more touches; that Cobb is hurt again (sorry, I totally respect the guy, but his injury history is getting worse as he ages), and Rodgers continually playing "hero ball" rather than simply moving those chains, eating up the clock, and scoring TD's. Also, on a purely personal level, I am over Rodgers. As I've written repeatedly, once he signed his new contract, the team effectively gave up any control over him, and a significant portion of decision-making power. Time to move on, take your lumps, and see if LaFleur can design an offense that fits Love's strengths as a player.

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Bearmeat's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:48 pm

The Packers would have been better off taking that step back after the 2020 season and trading Aaron Rodgers 2 years ago for a MASSIVE draft haul. They would have been far better off than they are by trading him one year ago. It became clear he was never going to win another title. And yet they made the cowardly decision to hang onto him. UGH. Now, after an awful (and expected by this fan) year, they have his albatross of a contract on their heads. And yet, they're still better off moving to Jordan Love. Ditch the diva. Move on. I don't care if we don't make the playoffs. We weren't winning it all in 2021 or 2022 or 2023 anyway.

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:03 pm

We... ... TALKED ABOUT THIS!!!!

LOL. OMG. Thanks for that comic relief, Bearmeat. My brother coming through!

Gotta laugh, now. The pain has already been felt, disected, and only those nagging phantom pains remain.

We can't win it all in 2023 -with- AR because he sucks up too much cap space and oxygen. My belief, however, is removing him from our books would open the door to contention this season.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:21 pm

I agree, Bearmeat, but who in their right mind trades away the MVP? Especially when he was still good enough to be the MVP again? I'm not sure it has ever happened, or will ever happen.

For those of you keeping score at home, from the time of the Aaron Rodgers draft day bombshell until today, we've had one playoff appearance where we scored exactly 10 points.

It could be argued that if Aaron Rodgers had been abducted by aliens that the Packers wouldn't have been worse. No kidding. That's what two years of drama, and money....lots of money....have purchased us. A 21-14 record and 0-1 in the playoffs. That's a few games over .500.

It's going to cost the Packers $9 million to make Rodgers go away, and it's well worth it. How would you like something like that as your legacy?

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croatpackfan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:56 pm

"..., but who in their right mind trades away the MVP?"

A clever, brave football evaluator who knows signs of the beginning of decline, both physical and mental.

Remember one man who teach his subordinants that it is always better to trade 1 year early than 1 year late.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:30 pm

Then there has never been a clever, brave, football evaluator who knows the signs of the beginning of the decline, because no current MVP has ever been traded that I can think of.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 04, 2023 at 03:18 am

You know there is always something you can do at least 3×: 1st time, last time and never again.

So, what is the problem if you do something 1st time ever when you have good arguments for the move?

When Vikings sign Captain K on full guaranteed contract, that was 1st time ever. Now, we have few QBs they want that kind of contract. Many things happens for the first time in human history. Most of them brought advance to people. Even if that was not visible at the moment of doing that or on short run. But, in hindsight progress can be noticeable.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:00 pm

@croatpackfan - "..., but who in their right mind trades away the MVP?"

A Ted Thompson disciple. A prudent planner.

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Bearmeat's picture

March 02, 2023 at 05:51 pm

LH,

You pay for production going forward, not in reverse. 12 has been a great Packer. But you could TELL he was cooked in that playoff game against Tampa. He no longer was an asset in crunch time. Had Murphy had a set of nuts like Thompson did back in the day, he would have traded ARod in February of 2021 for a MASSIVE haul.

I expected to lose the 49ers in 2021. And I expected to suck this year. When your team leader is old and cold, you have no chance come crunch time.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:29 pm

He did throw for 360 yards and 3 TDs in that game.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 02, 2023 at 04:06 pm

Isn't hindsight fun? Do you know of any GM that has traded an MVP QB ? There's a reason they don't. Multiple teams have continual seasons of irrelevance. Favre and Rodgers have kept GB relevant for 30 years. Look around the league at teams that have lost Hall of Fame QBs.

How relevant are the Saints, Pats, Colts, Steelers, without their Super Bowl winning QBs? I for one am more than grateful for watching Rodgers' mastery the last 2 seasons, even if it didn't lead to a title. And this year with an injury, he still got them very close to the playoffs. They were playing football that mattered right up to the end of the season. Plenty of fans can't say that about their team.

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Oppy's picture

March 02, 2023 at 05:45 pm

Carmen Policy?

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:02 pm

oh sure. how bout another one.

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Oppy's picture

March 03, 2023 at 06:36 am

Ted Thompson?

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Bearmeat's picture

March 02, 2023 at 05:52 pm

I would have done it and to hell with what anyone else thinks. 12 was a me-first suck hole of a teammate and a coach undermining AHole by 2015. He played nice out of spite in 2020, but that was it.

Those who have been around for a long time KNOW that Oppy and I have been banging the "trade 12" drum for almost half a decade. And what have we won in that time? NADA. Because our QB is more concerned with himself than the team.

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Oppy's picture

March 02, 2023 at 05:52 pm

Also, the reason why "they don't" is simple: most people don't have the balls to do it.

Also, as I keep reminding people around here, 31 of 32 teams in the NFL are for-profit businesses. Big star names on jerseys- particularly QB jerseys- put butts in seats, sell beer and hot dogs, and help get jerseys flying off the racks in the pro shop.

The Packers are a not-for-profit. The only motive for the Packers is to do what's best for the football team.

So... I don't care what other teams do or don't do. Send that bum packing. He's bad for the locker room, and he hasn't gotten it done. Now there's a huge financial reason to send him off. He's closing in on 40.

Do what's best for the PAckers. Shit can Rodgers. Don't worry about the past or what the press says. Make the move for the future.

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Bearmeat's picture

March 02, 2023 at 05:54 pm

AAAA-MEN (ONCE AGAIN) OPPY!

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greengold's picture

March 03, 2023 at 05:09 am

Fuck YESSSSSSS!

If they bring AR back this year, Mark Murphy should be tarred & feathered.

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 02, 2023 at 05:55 pm

George Young?

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:03 pm

dammit, that's two...

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Oppy's picture

March 03, 2023 at 06:39 am

Repeating here, because I didn't see this thread on the subject the Leotis started.. Ted Thompson

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:30 pm

He is not the MVP. Most think his last one was a mix of sentiment and default. His last genuinely great year was 2020/21 while we are heading into 2023/24 and 2020/21 did not bring a Lombardi. He is a 39 year old QB coming off a losing season on a huge contract and was independently rated by neutral measures as less effective than 15 other starters. What about that can’t you grasp?

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croatpackfan's picture

March 03, 2023 at 05:49 am

"How relevant are the Saints, Pats, Colts, Steelers, without their Super Bowl winning QBs?"

OK, what was the Saints record still with their SB winning QB last 3 seasons? What was the Patriot records last 2 year with their GOAT? What was the Steelers record last 3 seasoms with their winning QB? Colts are outlier in your list, as they had new star QB after Manning. Remember Luck? And his decision to retire?

I say your argument talks against your conclusion. And to add one thing. Tom Brady is exception. We all saw how bad was Peyton Manning last 4 to 5 seasons. He won his 2nd SB title because of his team. His team one that SB despite had him at QB!

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TarynsEyes's picture

March 02, 2023 at 12:57 pm

Every player mentioned that Rodgers wants to return has shown us the best they have, and it wasn't good enough in the years that each were /are/ are again in GB.

I know the easy retort for many will be the 'veteran presence/leadership angle. That is as easily dismissed as the former mentioned.

Can Rodgers get another SB in GB, maybe, he still has more talent and ability than around 25 starters in the league, and to make the NFC odds better, he's still in the discussion of being number one. Injury aside, he'll get them to the playoffs, right?

There's a difference with a QB falling off the ability cliff, and people pushing him off that cliff. I' don't believe Rodgers is at that point, by far, and I'm certainly not pushing him off as some seem to be doing.

If the all-in before last year wasn't a one-year deal, then you have to be in again this year. I don't see a Packer SB, but a deal is a deal, and I suspect the FO made that deal believing they can/will get Love to wait another. That's a better outcome for all.

Love is the next starter for GB.
Rodgers gets his farewell season, even if not promoted as such.
Packers youth grow
Two drafts to fill need or BPA.
Ticket prices go up again.
The 70-80's don't return.
Maybe fend off the Lions.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:16 pm

Nobody is pushing #12 off the cliff. His mouth and actions are propelling him that way, whether by his design and desired outcome or not.

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TarynsEyes's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:23 pm

Many here believe he cannot play elite or good. I'm talking about his play, not his mouth or action/inaction regarding his decision.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:29 pm

Okay, thanks for clarifying. Just my opinion; if he could adjust his attitude, I would have more confidence in him. He still has the skills IMO, sans the leg speed and thrust...not his fault, just getting older. He needs to practice moreso than ever and establish himself with the younger players for the team to be able to reach their potential. He doesn't appear to believe in that or do that for the other player's growth. One, if creative...can come up with many reasons not to do something when they no longer want to put in the grind. The last several years, I have seen him less apt to help the team and more willing to grow his brand. My fear is that other younger players may see this as acceptable and not listen as intently to the HC that has allowed #12 to do pretty much whatever he wants.

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RichBeckman's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:44 pm

Could he still play good? Of course! Great?! Maybe.

But the presence of his Ego within the organization prevents winning. Too many members of the organization are (were!!!!?) putting too much energy into pacifying The Ego and not into working on making the team a winner.

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 02:26 pm

A swan song to the swan songs past and unproductive and you see little chance will be? That seems very un-Taryn to me.

It’s a recipe for digging in deeper to no apparent benefit. I would have expected you to coruscate such a doomed emotive final act. Perhaps there is a romantic still in their somewhere.

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TarynsEyes's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:09 pm

There's no romanticism. Based on what we perceive to know with Love, this season, with a healthy Rodgers, gives the team a higher probability to make the playoffs, and then everybody can exude their 'hope' for more. Isn't that the more important thing for many, playoffs. Love is not all they need. I have no romanticism for Rodgers, I just don't feel for Love, yet.

In Moneyball, Billy Beane told David Justice he wanted to milk the last of baseball from him, and Justice wanted to stay in the league. Maybe the Packers should do just that.

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:39 pm

Darn Taryn. I thought maybe there was a glint of hope in there. Alas not. I’m afraid that I don’t think the chance of Rodgers winning anything that matters here with the situation around him is negligible and carries significant future competitive disadvantage. I’ve always understood you to share that assessment. After all, I’m sure you are well aware that the difference between infinitesimal and negligible is not much to build on. On reflection, I think is just you don’t want to own to a romantic streak, even so deeply hidden.

I do, however, think that the scenario you espoused is one you share with Murphy. I do not like it or suggest the same reasons drive it, but I do think it’s what he wants too.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:02 pm

"I’m afraid that I don’t think the chance of Rodgers winning anything that matters here with the situation around him is negligible and carries significant future competitive disadvantage."

To be clear CW, you don't think the chance is negligible?

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:24 pm

Negligible, adjective: “so small or unimportant as to be not worth considering.”

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MainePackFan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:40 pm

I know what the word means. Read your post again :) You might want to edit it ; )

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:48 pm

No, I’m good with the meaning as stated.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 03, 2023 at 05:33 am

"I’m afraid that I don’t think the chance of Rodgers winning anything that matters here with the situation around him is “so small or unimportant as to be not worth considering.” and carries significant future competitive disadvantage."

Fair enough :)

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Coldworld's picture

March 03, 2023 at 07:19 am

I’m awake now. You are quite right on the negative being in error: “I’m afraid that I DO think … “

There is less chance than there is for a tallow candle in hell.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 03, 2023 at 10:08 am

lol. I know you pride yourself in your use of words. For a second there, I thought you were coming over to the dark side ; )

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Coldworld's picture

March 03, 2023 at 11:13 am

Alas not my phone typing.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 03, 2023 at 10:19 am

sometimes, referred to as "mouse nuts".

yes, that small.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:56 pm

I get there is some "Tongue in Cheek" in this post Taryn, but I also think there is a lot of truth.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:51 pm

coruscate
verb
cor·​us·​cate ˈkȯr-ə-ˌskāt ˈkär-
coruscated; coruscating
Synonyms of coruscate
intransitive verb

1
: to give off or reflect light in bright beams or flashes : SPARKLE
2
: to be brilliant or showy in technique or style

Just trying to help : )

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Leatherhead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 10:43 pm

Is this gonna be on the test?

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MainePackFan's picture

March 03, 2023 at 05:09 am

lol. CW's weekly word of the day test. I like it : )

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:44 pm

Used in the sense of go incandescent…

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croatpackfan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 04:06 pm

Did you watch him playing last 2 seasons (first of those 2 he won laughable MVP - proved by early out at home vs decimated 49ers)? He does not see whole field anymore. He made pre snap decisions what he will do and to whom he throw the ball. There is rare situation of post snap reading opponents D and changing his decision. Go, read his stats and learn how deep he was down on it.

I like when you giving us lessons how should we feel or do and it is almost always contra majority opinion. At least stockholder has his opinion and defend it. You are eternal opposition.

For me is very indicative your estimatimation of Jordan Love - I quote "...I just don't feel for Love, yet."! You should tell that to FO. And they should wait until you "feel" it is the time.

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TarynsEyes's picture

March 02, 2023 at 04:33 pm

Yes, I watch film and see some of what you see, but you don't see or accept the larger issues.
You seem to me a majority buy-in, so I leave with this. Rodgers contributes to the mess, but so does MLF, the FO, the entire coaching staff, and let's not ignore the players.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. "
Mark Twain

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MainePackFan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:14 pm

You're on a roll. I love it :)

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croatpackfan's picture

March 03, 2023 at 12:23 am

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. "
Mark Twain

Good one. So your position is to be on minority side always, no matter what facts shows. You obviously believe that minority are always right? For me it says that you do not have your opinion. Just looking for minority opinion and embrace it as yours opinion. Like every other turncoat.

As different to you I have my opinion (right or wrong, but still mine) and I do not care if I "belongs" to majority or minority. Because, I form my opinion on what I see, read, hear and what I can logicaly conclude out of available facts. I can be wrong and I do not think I'm always right, but I respect others opinions and listen to their arguments. I'm not hiding behind popular quotes from great persons.

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TarynsEyes's picture

March 03, 2023 at 08:43 am

" So your position is to be on minority side always, no matter what facts shows. You obviously believe that minority are always right?"

No, I don't. What I meant was that the majority is more likely to be overrun with those of a follow mentality and have no own thoughts. A look at society today shows that to be more true. They scream in unison but cannot say separately what they're screaming about, but just want to be included. When the people were given a choice between Christ and Barabbas, and Barabbas was chosen, it wasn't because of a true majority for Barabbas, but because his followers screamed louder. Whether this Biblical story has truth or not, the message is most important. Majorities are more prone to have screamers that haven't a clue what they scream about, less being welcome to scream.

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Coldworld's picture

March 03, 2023 at 07:26 am

It may indeed be time to pause and reflect, although there is seldom a time not to. Regardless, in circumstances like these, I find it more helpful to recall the maxim of Marcus Aurelius, that

“[t]he object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 03, 2023 at 08:48 am

He read his Plato.

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Coldworld's picture

March 03, 2023 at 10:01 am

Some have cited him as the nearest embodiment of Plato’s ideal of the philosopher king. As a philosopher emperor, I’m sure he was well versed, but as a Stoic, not a true adherent and certainly wouldn’t have agreed with the notion that he or any one could approach any Platonic ideal.

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Untylu1968's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:28 pm

Not so much a push off the cliff, just a gentle nudge to the curb. Life shall roll on..

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PatrickGB's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:30 pm

Makes sense.

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Packerpasty's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:12 pm

what most posters on CHTV want is a dumb jock type who toe's the company line and doesn't exhibit any type of "free thinking" or counter culture type of lifestyle....so therefore they can't understand anyone who lives like that...

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:26 pm

You mean LaFleur?

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Tundraboy's picture

March 03, 2023 at 12:32 pm

It all sounds nice. It's a nice story but it just feels like we'll be settling if we did that. Time to reshape the team.

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NJ-RICK's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:13 pm

If the front office is unable to bring in athletic veteran talent on offense this season then it makes no difference who we have at QB. Because either scenario will not get us to the super bowl. Front office has failed to keep the Packers as a favorite in the NFC. Poor drafting and lack of talented free agents. Its time to bring on new MGT..!!!!!

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Lphill's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:32 pm

the Packers can win with Rodgers , not with Joe Barry.

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Ya_tittle's picture

March 02, 2023 at 04:11 pm

Can't win with either.

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RichBeckman's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:38 pm

I don't care what's best for The Ego.

I care that he is not a Green Bay Packer this coming season and that the offensive line is good enough that Love doesn't spend all year running for his life.

Anything beyond that is gravy.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:39 pm

What is best for Rodgers and what is best for the GBP - is incompatible. Moreover, while Rodgers is still deciding what is best for him - at nearly age 40 - the organization has shifted into the park position. Thus allowing other teams - particularly in the NFC North - to pass the Packers. Murphy has done the unforgivable - subordinating the organization to the whims and egos of 2 individuals - himself and Rodgers. Both must be purged if the best interests of the organization are to be served.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:41 pm

No. That’s why they should both want a trade. Rodgers wants a SB/MVP and the Packers want a rebuild (probably) around Love

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:43 pm

So far, at the combine, the Packers have met with:

TCU WR Quentin Johnston
Michigan DT/NT Mazi Smith
Alabama S Jordan Battle
Alabama S Brian Branch
Boise St. S JL Skinner (excited about this one!)
Georgia CB Kelee Ringo
Oregon CB Christian Gonzalez
Oregon St. CB Rezjohn Wright

Edit: The Packers are also meeting with Alabama CB Eli Ricks and Iowa EDGE Lukas Van Ness. Super excited about Van Ness, as I think he is the top EDGE prospect in GB's range.

Overall I’m surprised with all the interest in CBs. Maybe they’re looking to move Douglas to S, and want a replacement for him? Puzzling considering Savage is moving to slot corner, most likely, and that Stokes will be healthy

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:59 pm

Ron Wolf said, "You can never have too many CBs." It's a mantra that has stuck with Gutekunst, and for good reason. The Packers have been blessed with some really good DB play in his tenure, despite some lackluster DCs.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 02, 2023 at 02:07 pm

Due diligence?

I guess if we trade AR and have two first round picks, it is just like Gutey to go CB in the 1st round... It's almost become a habit...

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Racingdad's picture

March 02, 2023 at 04:00 pm

I would think the only cb packers should ever consider in the first rd is Witherspoon

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:39 pm

He can cover 1:1, but not any help in run stop. He is a dynamic guy, but he is not the best CB. The entire Illinois defensive backfield was stellar the past couple of seasons. Rodgers found out about Kerby Joseph.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 02:30 pm

"Overall I’m surprised with all the interest in CBs"

I saw a report that said Stokes should be ready by training camp. Which maybe they are preparing incase he isn't. Another thought is maybe they are considering moving Douglas to S. I had seen that was a possible option before.

But either way they will do their due diligence. In Gutey's 5 drafts he has drafted 8 DB's. He has drafted at least 1 in every draft. He has drafted 4 DB's with his first or 2nd round pick. 4 our of his 12 picks have been used at DB.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 02:33 pm

Who the heck is Rezjohn Wright?

This guy is a 7th/UDFA guy, according to the draft boards. We dress 5 or 6 CBs and a few more on the PS. We play three at a time, sometimes 4. Beyond our first three, I'm not really sure what we have there.

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Racingdad's picture

March 02, 2023 at 04:03 pm

Do some digging on r wright. I think he’s better than some reports have him. Pff mock he’s usually in 5th or 6th rd also I believe he supposed to be good on s t ‘s

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:44 pm

Actually, historically, we’ve often spoken to late round and other projections and particularly ones where there’s a background question (positive or negative).

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:49 pm

Stokes is out until whenever and he's average at best. Will his speed and quicks return? Gonzalez and Porter, Jr are the prototypes. Wright was ALL PAC -12 and moving up boards with his running mate. I would take Keeanu Benton over Mazi Smith with his gun charges. Douglas should be moved to safety. That will leave two voids. Shemar is a no show and Nixon was in dime while Savage was a nickel instead of the ranging free safety. He has hit on Jaire, to date.

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 06:48 pm

Stokes was particularly good in his rookie year. During his rookie campaign, Stokes allowed just a 49.5 completion percentage when he was targeted. That ranked fourth amongst all defensive backs in the NFL who were targeted more than 45 times.

There was news yesterday that they expect him back for the start of camp. Don’t want to burst your bubble, but that one demands it.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 03, 2023 at 08:38 am

He had one INT and dropped four more. I do not see him as a cover corner. Maybe he could try the FS spot and range with the QB's eyes? We will see if he's healthy by the end of Summer Session. W e have heard the Company line before and remember Bhak was rushed onto the field for the final Detroit game.

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Duhawk_47's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:29 pm

From what I’ve seen of him on tape, I’d really like to see Mazi Smith in G&G. It doesn’t make sense to select him, IMO, unless we have the extra picks via trade compensation. I did read that he no-showed his media availability at the combine and opted not to test out some (or all?) drills. If he’s not a complete head-case, maybe his stock will drop and we get lucky?

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 03, 2023 at 11:21 am

Thanks for the list, Packy. Looks like Defense odds on favorite to again be the day one pick.

Mr. Barry Ball would then have 8 #1 draft picks to mold into mediocrity.

After the DB disasters of Ted's last few drafts Gutey gave the D some solid reinforcements (Alexander the Great, Savage, Stokes, Douglas, Amos).

Not only did the DBs develop into the strength of the D, they were also coached up by Jerry Gray in '20, '21, and '22, in spite of Barry Ball's timid & cautious bend and break identity. It was pretty clear Gray despised Barry Ball because he had press, man to man skills in his room.

But Gray is now gone. Will the new DB coach embrace Barry Ball even more? SMH.

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Oppy's picture

March 03, 2023 at 09:21 pm

Don't be so sure.
It certainly has been the Packers history to go defense on day one, but I wouldn't judge day one pick by who's being interviewed at the combine for two reasons.

1- smokescreens. Teams are notorious for hiding their true intentions from the competition. Interviews are a good way to do that.

2- Interviews are a great way to feel out talent that your scouting department isn't sure about- guys who you are on the fence about, or lack adequate information on. If you have a set of players you are already sure about, you may not waste the time and resources interviewing them at the combine. The kid you've been scouting since he was a top High school player and have had a regional scout watching closely and talking to his coaches regularly throughout his stellar college career? That's a player you probably don't need to interview at the combine.

Keep in mind, there have been a number of high picks who have been taken by the Packers over the years who have stated they had no idea the Packers were interested in them.

But, yeah.. defense. Packers have definite history of using top picks on defenders.

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ImaPayne's picture

March 04, 2023 at 10:36 pm

I wish they would move Stokes to Safety, to me that is his perfect position, gives him more time to think and react and use his speed and height. Corner, is not his forte

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crayzpackfan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 01:53 pm

I don't know what AR thinks is best for him. He hasn't said yet.

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canadapacker's picture

March 02, 2023 at 02:29 pm

Unfortunately GB went on the run that almost got us into the playoffs. I say unfortunately because we did not get a chance to see what Love could do. Fortunately we did see what Special teams, the Defense and what some of our offensive players could do to in a bunch of win or go home games which was good. But now I hope that Gute and the boys do not sacrifice what AR wants ( his boys) in order to get him to return. Now Crosby is maybe an outlier but the rest - Cobb, Mercedes and perhaps even Lazard ( due to what he might get on the open market) probably would not or should not be on the Packers roster next year. Bak - will probably be renegotiated again - as has happened with Alexander, Jones. Smith and Clark. However we need some renewal and that news should happen early with some walking papers - or at least news of not resigning Cobb and Lewis.
So as people have been saying a nicer parting of the ways ( unlike #4) would be in the best interest of both parties and hopefully would be financially beneficial - even if it is not with the acquisition of any players or draft picks.

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stockholder's picture

March 02, 2023 at 02:36 pm

Need Useful information , Please.
I feel like this is a Brain Wash now.
And what a lack of Appreciation.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:55 pm

They should publish this stuff on Telegram, or RT.

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:00 pm

“Study what though art,
Whereof thou art a part,
What thou knowest of this art,
This is really what thou art.”

Salomon Trismosin.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 03, 2023 at 08:46 am

Had to look him up. "Human Alchemy" is a song by XTC.

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Coldworld's picture

March 03, 2023 at 09:03 am

There was a sense of impenetrability that called Trismosin to mind. “Splendor Solis” is, at the same time, one of the most visually beautiful and yet utterly impenetrable manuscripts. It exudes a belief that the writer holds wisdom beyond the reach of most minds and promises to enlighten us yet seemingly deliberately ensuring never to do so in any helpful way. Is it mere rubbish dressed in finery or insight that we are unworthy of penetrating?

Since you brought them up, its imagery would seem to have some distant affinity with XTC’s “When Ms. Moon lays down. And Sir Sun stands up. Me I’m found floating ‘round and ‘round like a bug in brandy in this big bronze cup…”

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crayzpackfan's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:56 pm

Stock "Haiku" Holder...
The man.
The crazy ass fan.
The message board troll.
or a possible CHTV mole?

Is he actually real?
Or is He nothing more than a "binary" heal?
An internet Bot
who's existence is not?

Is He or She corporeal
and just throwing us all
onto an internet banana peel?
Reading his posts is like staring into the sun.
Though it blinds you,
Stockholder is the Cuckoo's Nest of This sites fun.

Does he truly own stock?
Or is he just here to mock?
He is very persistent
and to our replies he's resistant.

You go Stock....Yes....You Go!!!

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:00 pm

This is surprising: Per Adam Schefter, the Panthers are calling GB to inquire about Rodgers

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Leatherhead's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:33 pm

Not surprising to me. I was listening to Frank Reich yesterday.

I have total admiration for Frank Reich after that miraculous playoff comeback against the Oilers. I think he walks on water, that's my bias. And he was talking about his team and about the process of upgrading their team would include every-single-thing. Typical coach speak. But then the conversation shifted to how experienced his staff was, and I started thinking about experienced coaches and rookie QBs. And then I thought about an experienced QB like Rodgers with a bunch of experienced coaches.

So, some neurons fired and I checked: They've got nothing at QB, and I mean nothing. They won 7 games with Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, and PJ Walker getting an aggregate passer rating of 80.

This division is RIPE. Brady is gone. It's open for the taking. These guys were 7-10 and a guy like Rodgers could certainly improve that group they had. If all we asked for was a 2nd round pick, the deal could get done today. But we can probably get more than that.

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greengold's picture

March 02, 2023 at 04:35 pm

What is the use in underselling his actual true value in these discussions???

Two R1s is the general rule of thumb according to Mike Tannenbaum. No pun intended, but, if his thumb is healed, Rodgers should fetch at the very least an R1 and an R2. I believe his having won an MVP less than 400 days ago pushes that price back into the 2 First Round Picks starting point.

I do not believe that is overvaluing him either:

1. Tom Brady won 2 Super Bowls, at the age of 40 in 2018 and again at 43 in 2021. Rodgers is 39 years old.
2. Rodgers is a 4-Time MVP
3. Rodgers led GB to 1 Super Bowl victory in 2011.
4. Matthew Stafford, who had not been in a Super Bowl, nor won an MVP Award, was traded to LAR by DET in exchange for:

a. Jared Goff, a young starting QB who lost a Super Bowl
b. 2021 R3
c. 2022 R1
d. 2023 R1

Stafford was 33 years old at the time, just 6 years younger than Rodgers, but devoid of his MVPs and SB experience.

Now, if the cap strapped Jets want GB to eat dead cap and signing bonus in a reworked deal, that price is going to go up. Add in other teams who see real value in throwing their hats into the ring: LV, WAS, TEN, DAL and now CAR have all been mentioned recently.

Supply & demand should be ringing bells all over.

Furthering discussions where he's severely undervalued does no good. Granted, neither does overvaluing, but... look at past deals for similar talents. Consider trade offs in salary taken on by any trading partner, and what GB would likely have to eat monetarily on their end, along with whatever turnaround can be worked out by GB.

Are the Packers in a position to take the big cap hit to make Rodgers available immediately on Draft Day 1? NO!!! Thanks for that, Mark Murphy!!!

Which means the team who takes Rodgers would want the price lowered in order to appease Green Bay's post June 1 requirements.

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 02, 2023 at 05:17 pm

Just trade him before J1. Take the cap hit and get it over with. It's no big deal, and we can't afford to lay that cap space over to 2024 if we traded him after J1

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Duhawk_47's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:39 pm

Maybe the football world will finally get the chance to see how much of a talent DJ Moore is. Can’t think of a better receiver with a worse, career-long QB situation off the top of my head

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 02, 2023 at 03:58 pm

They have deep pockets and zero QBs.

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BoHunter's picture

March 02, 2023 at 04:06 pm

Dead Horse 🐎 from the grave : Please make it stop.
Start the Love Gun ❤️ 🔫💪🏾

Cheers,
BoHunter

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PackyCheese500's picture

March 02, 2023 at 05:24 pm

Here are the combine results for some interesting EDGE targets for GB:

EDGE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa: 4.58 40 - 6'5, 272 lbs, 34 arms. My personal favorite EDGE prospect this year in GB's range
EDGE Nolan Smith, Georgia: 4.39 - 6'2, 238 lbs, 32.63 arms. Undersized, but has great speed. My guess is he will be somewhat like the Eagles' Haason Reddick
EDGE Isaiah Foskey, Notre Dame - 4.58 - 6'5, 264 lbs, 34 arms
EDGE Mike Morris, Michigan - 4.95 - 6'5, 275 lbs, 33.5 lbs
EDGE Robert Beal, Georgia - 4.48 - 6'4, 247 lbs, 34.63 arms
EDGE Thomas Incoom, Central Michigan - 4.66 - 6'2, 262 lbs, 33.25 arms
EDGE K.J. Henry, Clemson - 4.63 - 6'4, 251 lbs, 33 arms
EDGE Adetomiwa Adeboware, northwestern - 4.49 - 6'2, 282 lbs, 33.88 arms
EDGE Colby Woolen, Auburn - 4.79 - 6'4, 273 lbs, 33.75 arms

DT:
DT Zacch Pickens, South Carolina - 4.89 - 6'4, 291 lbs, 34.38 arms
DT Bryan Bresee, Clemson - 4.86 - 6'5, 298 lbs, 32.5 arms
DT Keeanu Benton, Wisconsin - 5.08 - 6'4, 309 lbs, 33.88 arms
DT Cameron Young, Mississippi St. - 5.10 - 6'3, 304 lbs, 34.5 arms
NT Jerrod Clark, Coastal Carolina - 5.25 - 6'4, 334 lbs, 33.75 arms

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stockholder's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:06 pm

EDGE Nolan Smith, Georgia:
4.39 - 6'2, 238 lbs, 32.63 arms.
Undersized, but?
You do realize that It's better than CM3?
He's just 10 pds. lighter.

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Coldworld's picture

March 02, 2023 at 11:41 pm

Ten pounds heavier than Tipa was, which wasn’t enough. Does he have the frame to add another 10? Mathews was 256 when drafted. If so, then he might be a situational type who could literally grow to be more. I’d want to see his agility/burst being very high too though.

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stockholder's picture

March 03, 2023 at 06:32 am

Yes he does.
He Won the underwear Test.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 03, 2023 at 08:59 am

Then re-sign Hollins at fair money.

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Oppy's picture

March 03, 2023 at 06:50 am

What does EDGE stand for?

Elongated Drooping Gluteus End?

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 03, 2023 at 08:58 am

The standard to compare smaller OLBs from college to Edge is Von Miller. They have to exhibit the speed and possess the Upper Body strength to whip TEs and leverage the OT. Speed with bend and power. I want the Edge guys to be in the 255 pound range and have the wide wing span.

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ImaPayne's picture

March 04, 2023 at 10:34 pm

I dont see any of the edge guys being drafted most of them were defensive ends and the packers dont draft them. They costs too much

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Packerpasty's picture

March 02, 2023 at 07:07 pm

Please please work out a trade thats good for both parties, so all these dumb ass amateur GM's will STFU for awhile...sounds like a room full of parrots each repeating what the other says....we all get it by now, lets see how it plays out please...

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golfpacker1's picture

March 02, 2023 at 08:48 pm

Don't read it if it upsets you so much. Obviously you want to so stop bitching at other fans. Rodgers screwed us twice last year. First when he held out so long we missed our golden opportunity to get rich on him by trading him to Denver. The second time when he TOLD the Packers that he was going to play until we were eliminated from a chance at the playoffs. All that accomplished was not getting to evaluate Love. We still have no idea what he can do. Plus we probably gave away a sure top ten pick. Shame on the Packers for submitting to the whiney diva. One player told a BILLION dollar franchise what to do last year and they are letting him do it again!!!!! Trade him now.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 03, 2023 at 09:06 am

Indeed, THEY wrote the Deal.

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Oppy's picture

March 03, 2023 at 09:36 pm

A lot of parents in WI give their children their first 'real' hunting rifle as a gift at some point in their early teens.

The fact the parents knowingly gave that child that rifle as a gift doesn't absolve the child of wrong doing if he points the rifle back at them and threatens to shoot.

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Coldworld's picture

March 03, 2023 at 07:48 am

“How dare you profane this place with your presence! I command you, in the name of the Knights of Camelot, open the door to the Sacred Castle, to which God himself has guided us!”

“You don’t frighten us, English pig dogs! Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person! I blow my nose at you, so-called “Arthur King,” you and all your silly English K-n-i-g-g-i-t-s.”

“I say one more time to you Mac, I unclog my nose towards you, sons of a window-dresser, so, you think you could out-clever us French fellows with your silly knees-bent creeping about advancing behaviour. I wave my private parts at your aunties.”

M. Python.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 03, 2023 at 09:04 am

Parrots are pretty smart birds, but I get your point. This site is the closest approximation we have to a barbershop bitch session.

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CheeseEdWest2's picture

March 03, 2023 at 09:40 am

What strikes me is the gap between AR's definition of "All In" and what it takes to win. His long term attitude towards receivers who weren't on the same page showed that HE knew it would take time to build those relationships. The fact that he didn't spend his own time with the new WR's or attend OTA's showed me a lack of true commitment on his part. He could have taken a reasonable contract that allowed $$ to bring in FA's, but he needed to be the highest paid. Clearly this limited the quality of players available for the overall team. His drift away from LF's preferred style of play seemed selfish; disdaining motion etc. when, as an aging QB he could benefit from it...he can't carry the team with all those items in the "me first" column. He's shown he isn't All In with team ball. Sad but time for him to go.

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gpt999's picture

March 03, 2023 at 03:29 pm

I am making this comment without even reading this article. A thousand pardons to its author.

I am taking ACRs advise to tune him out until he makes up his mind. Ergo, my comment above as to not reading this article. We have all heard the case for him staying, leaving or retiring ad nauseam.

Whatever he does, I hope he does not delay his decision thereby hurting GBs chances to maximize the upcoming draft and the near term future of the team. I would be greatly disappointed in him if he pulls another delaying/waiting game just to improve his leverage over the team. I think he owes a timely decision to the team and to us, the fans.

GPG!

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ImaPayne's picture

March 04, 2023 at 10:32 pm

Him raking in 58 mil and playing probably his last season in GB will be what he thinks is best. For sure he doesnt give two shits above Loves situation. Rodgers cares only about his situation and he doesnt want a trade and is holding out until its too late to trade him. The teams in need need to know something this next week and Rodgers will be in hiding for sure to screw them over too.

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