Is It Time To Be Concerned About Packers QB1?

Coming off back-to-back MVP awards, Aaron Rodgers has been pretty pedestrian, even bordering on well below average.

Green Bay, we have a problem. Correction: we actually have several problems after Sunday’s loss to the Giants. For starters, the Packers do not really have an identity on either side of the ball. Plus, the defense cannot stop crossing routes to save their lives, allowing a league-worst 327 yards despite ranking second in pass yards allowed, and head coach Matt LaFleur seems to be pulling a page out of Mike McCarthy’s playbook by underutilizing dynamic playmaker Aaron Jones. Would you classify Aaron Rodgers' play through five games as an additional problem? 

Coming off back-to-back MVP awards, Rodgers has been pretty pedestrian, even bordering on well below average. While he is sixth in the NFL in completion percentage (67.9%), 10th in passer rating (95.8), and 11th in touchdowns (8), the Cal product is 17th in passing yards, 19th in yards per attempt (6.9 #nice), 14th in adjusted yards gained per pass attempt (7.0), 20th in Expected Points Added (14.8), and 17th in EPA on pass attempts (14.1). On throws past the line of scrimmage and outside the numbers per TruMedia Sports (h/t @theStevenRuiz), he is only completing 53.4% of his passes, which is down from 67.5% in 2021 and 71.3% in 2020. Rodgers is also far more inaccurate on those types of throws this season, too, compared to the last two MVP seasons. In fact, his inaccuracy percentage this season (24.1% inaccuracy %) is more than double what it was in 2020 (11.8%). Plus, his EPA per drop back has torpedoed relative to 2021 and 2020 (-0.07 in 2022 vs. 0.31 in 2021 and 0.49 in 2020), and his success rate has dropped as well (43.1% in 2022 vs. 49.5% in 2021 vs. 59.5% in 2020).

Has Rodgers, the highest paid quarterback in the league based on average annual value, fared any better on deep balls? No, no he has not. He is 26th in completions on throws targeted 15-plus yards downfield and on passes 20-plus yards downfield, he is completing a measly 29% of his passes (6/21). Nine of those 21 attempts are considered "off-target," according to ESPN Stats & Info (h/t @JenLada). Those attempts do not take into account throwing the ball away, which paints an even worse picture. 

However, not every game has been doom and gloom. He had an outstanding second half and overtime against the Patriots in Week 4, completing 17 of 24 passes for 207 yards and 2 touchdowns. He had two touchdowns in the first half last week against the Giants and looked to be in command of the offense. And the 18-year pro registered a 131.1 rating in the team's Week 3 victory against Chicago. Altogether, New York Jets head coach Robert Saleh, whose defense is ranked 10th in passing yards allowed but 23rd in Pass Defense-adjusted Value Over Average (DVOA; more on that below), is not fooled by Rodgers' up-and-down play thus far, per the team website. "I still see the same Hall of Famer. He's getting comfortable with his receivers. They have a lot of talent, they can run the heck out of the ball from an offensive perspective. ... He's explosive, he's a Hall of Famer. He looks good to me." 

The question is: what gives as to his play through five games? Obviously, the loss of wide receiver Davante Adams has loomed large. Adams ranked second in Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement (DYAR), second in receptions, third in receiving yards, fifth in receiving touchdowns last year, and 14th in DVOA among wide receivers. (DYAR "gives gives the value of the performance on plays where this WR caught the ball, compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage." In other words, the higher DYAR, the more total value added. The higher DVOA, the more value added per play.)

So without Adams, there has been a drop off in weapons to state the obvious, but it is not like the cupboard is completely barren. Whereas the Packers had two players in the top 25 among wide receivers in DYAR (Adams and Lazard (21st)) and two in the top 15 in DVOA last season (Lazard (5th) and Adams), they have three in the top 60 this season in both DVOA and DYAR among wide receivers that have caught at least 20 passes -- Lazard (8th in DVOA; 15th in DYAR), Randall Cobb (26th in DVOA; 30th in DYAR), and Romeo Doubs (55th in DVOA; 56th in DYAR, two spots behind DK Metcalf). Not to mention, among wide receivers that have caught between four passes and 19 passes, Sammy Watkins, who has been sidelined since before the Week 3 matchup against the Bucs and is eligible to return next week against Washington, is 6th in DVOA and DYAR. Point being, there are quite a bit more teams that have much worse offensive weapons at their disposal, but no Adams to stretch the field is certainly playing a significant factor in explaining the dip in Rodgers' production. 

Is the offensive line the reason why Rodgers has been struggling? Potentially. After posting the sixth-best pass block win rate in 2021, the unit has dropped to 20th. (I think it would help if they moved Elgton Jenkins from right tackle to left guard, but that is an article for a different day.) What about LaFleur's scheme and his ability to put Rodgers, and the offense as a whole, in positions to be successful? Or maybe, just maybe, the blame lies with Rodgers himself as he needs to do a better job at taking what the defense gives him and, therefore, shy away from playing hero ball by chucking it deep like he is playing "500" at recess. 

Rodgers famously told everyone to R-E-L-A-X following the team's 1-2 start in 2014. At that time, his completion percentage (62.7%) was on pace to be the worst of his career and he only passed for more than 200 yards in one game through the first three. He then went on to win his second MVP award. So, he deserves the benefit of the doubt that he can turn it around and there is plenty of season left to do so. But the clock is ticking. 

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Rex is a lifelong Packers fan but was sick of the cold, so he moved to the heart of Cowboys country. Follow him on Twitter (@Sheild92) and Instagram (@rex.sheild). 

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GPG1985's picture

October 14, 2022 at 12:04 pm

Rodgers at this point of his career and with the cast around him needs to be a game manager. Get the ball out quick and more play action with a heavy dose of the run game is what I think most people would like to see. Bring back more RB screens and get the ball in the hands of the playmakers. There’s no reason Dillon/Jones shouldn’t combine for at least 8 catches or so a game. Also get the pocket moving so Rodgers can be a little more impromptu in a designed kind of way, especially on 3rd down. Way too many drive killing sacks while sitting back in the pocket waiting for some rounded post patterns to develop. Hopefully the long plane ride home gave the team time to reflect and this is a turning point in the season. We will see at Lambeau this Sunday. GPG

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Coldworld's picture

October 14, 2022 at 12:30 pm

Rodgers doesn’t seem to have processed the reality that his surrounding cast has changed. He’s playing as if Cobb and Lazard are all he needs. He’s fighting the rest of his roster. There could be some decline, but it’s really more an attitude driven issue undermining his chance to make good out of what he does have.

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Swisch's picture

October 14, 2022 at 01:56 pm

In affirmation of your words, Coldworld, I'm much more concerned about the attitude of Rodgers than in his ability.
In my opinion, Rodgers can still actually lead this team to a Super Bowl win -- but it will take a lot of doing on his part as the main guy on the field.
Most of all, Rodgers has to send strong signals to his teammates that he is coachable by consistently affirming in word and deed that Matt LaFleur is the man in charge.
This would unite and elevate the whole team in a common mission to a championship, with no one player above the rest by interfering in the coaching.
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It doesn't mean Rodgers can't offer LaFleur the benefit of his experience as a quarterback, only that he has to readily defer to LaFleur.
The best-case scenario is that the two collaborate in getting the Packers offense coordinated and creative in maximizing its talents.
Week by week, let's bring out illusion of complexity more and more fully with various motions before the snap and various mis-directions after the snap.
For example, it's not just running the ball, but running the ball in various ways with various illusions. Even if a defense is anticipating a run from the Packers -- say, at the goal line -- keep them guessing about how that run will come about.
As the season progresses, we can keep adding adornments to the illusion of complexity, and incorporate more of our players who are ready this season to step up as significant contributors -- perhaps Toure and Winfree, for example.
With Rodgers being highly intelligent, may he embrace the challenge of outsmarting and outmaneuvering defenses. Then, his still-considerable arm talent will shine all the more brightly.
If he does this in harmony with LaFleur, and really works with his teammates to encourage them to excellence in execution, then there is hope for a great season.
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It's a long shot that Rodgers will see the light, but it would greatly enhance his legacy if he recommitted himself to being humble with his head coach and interactive with his teammates.
This seems a turning point to the season, but there's still plenty of time.
I'm rooting for Rodgers to go out of Green Bay -- whenever that happens -- with a rejuvenated attitude that wins over his team to reach its fullest potential.

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crayzpackfan's picture

October 16, 2022 at 09:23 pm

Elway didn’t win his two Super Bowls until he started handing the he ball to TD and game managing. Rodgers is too in love with himself to ride off into a simulator sunset.

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splitpea1's picture

October 14, 2022 at 12:41 pm

How about no Adams to attract attention from multiple defenders and no MVS to stretch the field contributing to the dip in Rodgers' production? (Note how much more productive MVS has been in the KC offense with more snaps, a higher catch percentage, and already 13 first downs). Both are significant factors. It shouldn't come as that much of a surprise that AR hasn't been as effective with rookie WRs; but he's also missed more throws and Watson hasn't been much of a factor in the passing game. And maybe it would help if Rodgers tried to connect with the deep balls on simpler patterns instead of those which require a good bit of practice/timing with the rookies. Meanwhile, maximize the short game with your RBs and TEs (nice to see Deguara get a couple of catches last time).

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 14, 2022 at 11:52 pm

MVS' YPC is also way down from his time in Green Bay so I would hope he had a higher catch rate. 5 yards at catch lower than 2020. He had been pretty much a square peg in a round hole before this week's game.

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Coldworld's picture

October 15, 2022 at 09:32 am

MVS drew coverage, whatever he turns out to be In his new berth, we have not replaced that, due in my view, to a ridiculously unrealistic approach to our rookies. We had to gamble but picked the longest of shots with Watson and then failed to really even try to convince opponents to cover for him deep or anywhere. A gamble you make but then fold on is just a bad gambit.

At the same time, Doubs was sporadically use and most often (like Watson) in the hope of yards after a catch around the line of scrimmage. Just really poor handling of rookies individually as well as a clear lack of a coherent strategy to get the most out of the O.

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Ya_tittle's picture

October 14, 2022 at 12:43 pm

He is playing like a grouchy old man.

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vin0770's picture

October 14, 2022 at 12:46 pm

Not yet….but with his passive aggressive manipulation of everyone to get the 50 million things he wants and his production now in question…he’s gonna have to learn with scrutiny he’s never had before from G-Bay.

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TarynsEyes's picture

October 14, 2022 at 01:15 pm

Rodgers believes and demands that Cobb and Lazard are all he needs to make him look like he sees himself, and any other, even Jones and Dillon, are mere toys to play with when he wants to. MLF stands behind this thinking, because he has no choice or spine to dictate otherwise.

With this being said, I predict a win over the Jets in the same manner as the one over the Bears a few weeks ago.

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Coldworld's picture

October 14, 2022 at 02:27 pm

A win won’t tell us anything this week unless we are transformed in approach and results on both sides of the ball. As you say, just like the win over the Bears was indicative only of how bad the Bears were.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 14, 2022 at 11:54 pm

Is that why Doubs' has the most targets for the Packers this year? I call bullshit.

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jlc1's picture

October 15, 2022 at 06:34 am

LLChesty you are such a fool. This space is a fact free zone. Take your thoughtful analysis somewhere else.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 14, 2022 at 02:04 pm

"Is It Time To Be Concerned About Packers QB1?"

I'm not concerned about ACR at all. He put in his pocket/account $50 mill. Why anyone or he himself should be concerned?

Oh, you mean is it time to be concerned about Packers playing their overpriced QB1 by his tone? Answer is strongly YES! I have no problem with him telling MLF who to play and on whom to make game plan. But, please, do not tell that publicly in front of camera. Because, you are not the one who should be authorized for that decision. So why he do it? Because he has that authorization.

What I see on TV when watching Packers is disjoint team in O and D phase. Only part of Packers team that plays with sense is, well, ST. In Croatia we have proverb: "Too many midwives, shabby baby!" That is what is happening with Packers...

Culprit? Mike Murphy! An accomplice? Q1!

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JohnnyLogan's picture

October 14, 2022 at 02:36 pm

Look at last week's numbers and they'll tell you everything about Rodgers and how screwed up this offense is. Almost incredibly, 13 targets for Cobb, an old, slow, cast-off receiver, and 8 targets for Lazard, a glorified TE.

Meanwhile, Aaron Jones, the best offensive player on the team, had THREE targets! Romeo Doubs, who has shown nothing but talent, already being recognized as a budding star around the league, gets FIVE targets. And Dillon, a runaway train if you get him the ball in space, had ZERO targets. The three best offensive players on the team with the same amount of targets as Lazard and about half of what Cobb got.

MLF, or more likely, Rodgers, thinking they can run the offense through Cobb and Lazard is insanity. MLF's explanation was Doubs was double-teamed. So what! Every good receiver in the league is double-teamed at times. You still find ways to get him the ball. As for Jones and Dillon, MLF had no explanation other than his usual "We have to get them the ball more." The only true explanation may be that he doesn't know how to do that, and that's scary.

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NickPerry's picture

October 14, 2022 at 07:42 pm

" As for Jones and Dillon, MLF had no explanation other than his usual "We have to get them the ball more."

I'm SO sick and tired of hearing the same ole thing from MLF week in and week out. We have to run the ball more. We have to get Jones and Dillon more touches. We have to be more aggressive on Defense.

What you NEED to do is stop talking about it and actually DO IT!!

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baldski's picture

October 14, 2022 at 07:54 pm

It's the pad level, I tell ya!

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 14, 2022 at 03:18 pm

Probably, but right now I'm more concerned about Leatherhead. It's been some time since I've seen any posts from one of CHTV's most prolific posters. Did I miss a dust-up where the big guy took his ball and went home, or has he fallen and can't get up? Any of you knuckleheads have contact with him in real life? Is it time to conduct a wellness check?

Leatherhead, just nod if you can hear us.

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Coldworld's picture

October 14, 2022 at 05:53 pm

I’ve noticed his absence too. I know he’s a big fan of Amari and of the ability of the organization to get it right. Hopefully that’s not deterring him.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 14, 2022 at 06:27 pm

I'm not a big fan of Amari, but I'm a big fan of the organization that scouted him extensively and selected him, and I'm a big fan of the coaching staff that is apparently a lot happier with him than quite a few people are. I think that throwing away Day Two draft pick after one season and a few bumps in the road is a bad way of doing business.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/bisaccia_were_not_going_to_can_a...

I've said it plenty of times.

This is certainly not something which would stop me from commenting here.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 14, 2022 at 11:55 pm

You're not a fan of Amari anymore? What happened? You laughed at me when I said Doubs' would be more productive this year.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 15, 2022 at 10:06 am

Since this is such a perfect example, I'm going to use it.

1) I'm a fan of the organization that scouted, drafted, and is developing him. You choose not to understand that, despite having it explained to you on multiple occasions. It's a very bad commentary on an organization when you're cutting Day 2 picks after one year. Why was he drafted? Why haven't the coaches been able to improve him?

2) Doubs, as I have always said, was a good looking WR who had a lot of guys in front of him on the depth chart during training camp, including Amari Rodgers, Juwann Winfree, Malik Taylor....basically, anybody who had been with the team last year, or was drafted ahead of him. I specifically said, on several occasions, that Doubs wasn't going to get big numbers unless the guys in front of him were injured or played poorly. And that is what has happened.

But let me remind you...again....this is a long season. We've played FIVE games. That leaves us at least 14 more games until the Super Bowl. Doubs' season could end tomorrow, or next week, or next month. You should hold off on the crowing about him until Thanksgiving at least.

And so, you've taken this disagreement during training camp and just continued to chew on it like a dog on a bone. I'm tired of it, and that's 50% of the reason I'm not posting here anymore.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 14, 2022 at 06:20 pm

This is me nodding.

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 14, 2022 at 06:43 pm

Hey, bud! Good to know you're still with us.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 15, 2022 at 09:58 am

I'm alive and well. Since there is no way I can post on anything here without the same two people antagonizing me, and since I'm in charge of my own happiness, I'm just not posting. I'm still reading you and dobber and some others.

If you'd like, and if it's permitted, I would send you a link to an email that would let you sign up for a weekly/bi-weekly newsletter.

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Since'61's picture

October 14, 2022 at 08:20 pm

Good to hear from you Leatherhead, it’s been awhile.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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Leatherhead's picture

October 15, 2022 at 10:24 am

Same 61. I think we've got a great organization, and we're going to have a great, memorable season. We're 3-2, along with Tampa and SF. The Cowboys, Vikes, and Giants are 4-1, the Eagles are 5-0. That's the Top7 in the NFC, and it doesn't include the Rams or the Cards.

Assuming the Packers win their next two games against the Jets and Commodes, we'll be 5-2 when we play in Buffalo.

In past years, we've run away with the division title, or we've missed the playoffs, but I don't think that's going to happen this year. I see us as an 11 or 12 win team and the game against Minnesota is probabably going to determine the division champion.

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barutanseijin's picture

October 14, 2022 at 03:32 pm

Rodgers has had the amazing ability to play 2nd best QB on the field at critical points in the season. In the past, he’d be second best to an Eli Manning, Russell Wilson or a Tom Brady. Now it’s guys like Garoppolo, Kirk Cousins & Daniel Jones.

If he couldn’t get better Packer teams to Super Bowls in 2011, 2014, 2016, 2020 or 2021, he’s not going to do it now with diminished mobility, accuracy, arm strength and on-the-field judgment. He’s there to sell jerseys. Enjoy.

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Qoojo's picture

October 14, 2022 at 03:57 pm

It's the OL and age. There's a reason why there aren't many 40 year olds playing in the NFL. As I got older, my brain would cash checks that the body couldn't pay out. Rodgers needs to realize it, and the game plan should be about protecting the QB more.

As far as defense goes, I never bought what was being sold in the offseason.

Not playing GB for playoffs and somewhere warm is good thing. I haven't considered GB a cold weather team in a long time. They want a warm, not too windy place, where AR can fling it. So if they have to take some lumps while Barry and MLF get it together, and end up on the road in playoffs, I consider that a good thing.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

October 14, 2022 at 05:24 pm

If the team has to play to not get homefield advantage because their play style doesnt fit the cold weather they play in, thats a sure fire sign theyre doing it all wrong.

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Qoojo's picture

October 14, 2022 at 05:37 pm

I didn't say that the team has to play to not get home field. Merely than stated my supposition that this team is not a cold weather team, and playing somewhere warm in Jan would benefit them.

They could be a cold weather team, if they stuck with the run.

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canadapacker's picture

October 14, 2022 at 04:39 pm

There are two main problems on the offense. And AR's on field demeanor aside - we cant get into his mind and his demeanor definitely isnt the demeanor he had during MM's last season. Lafleur and AR ( and they are THE team) Lafleur is the play caller and game planner and AR is the executor of the called plays and back up plays for each play. But THEY are not doing a good job in calling the game or reacting to problem number 2 - the Oline has just not been up to snuff across the board. If you have one weak part - it can be handled - chipping, working away, misdirection - but it has been all along the front and that is especially true on blocking up the middle for Dillon and setting the edge for Jones. Take the very few large gainers that both Dillon and especially Jones have had out of the stats and they are not as productive as they could be. And we havent seen a Jones house call like we did a few years back. AR's stats would have been much better if Doubs and Watson had held onto their catchable balls. And with Watson ( seems to be taking a page out of Watkins injury book) not able to stretch the field - why isnt Lafleur getting somebody else into that scheme. Doubs/Toure somebody should almost be going deep or at least crossing deep each and every down - pulling guys away from Lazard and Cobb. This is on that duo and the Oline to get things together - the next 2 games will tell us everything. Lose both or even one and we will have trouble catching the Vikes. IMP

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Coldworld's picture

October 14, 2022 at 05:57 pm

MM and Rodgers were purportedly butting heads increasingly frequently and obdurately. Ironically, Rodgers may have achieved more if LaFleur had it in him to do some of that to set him straight.

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canadapacker's picture

October 14, 2022 at 07:20 pm

And you know this how?

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Coldworld's picture

October 15, 2022 at 09:35 am

I used the word “purportedly” for a reason : “as appears or is stated to be true, though not necessarily so; allegedly.”

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HarryHodag's picture

October 14, 2022 at 04:51 pm

Davante Adams covered up much for Rodgers. Adams was so good he could catch tough passes. The Packers don't have that skill set this year and it shows. Doubs might evolve into that guy but for right now it's not there.
I would never have kept Adams under the circumstances that were around at the trade time but his skills are notably missing in Rodgers numbers.
The lack of a tight end threat is also a part of the problem. Tonyan to date is a shell of his pre-injury self.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

October 14, 2022 at 05:27 pm

Here's a few fun facts for you. In the first 8 games of last season with Adams, Rodgers threw for 300 yards just once and under 200 yards 3 times. People easily forget how bad the offense was the first half of last year and like I said that was with Adams. The problem isnt the receivers. I'll just leave it at that.

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PhantomII's picture

October 14, 2022 at 08:57 pm

Adams has great hands and great body control and elite get-off at the LOS. AR made some laser-keyholes passes to Adams.......and he had to because after the initial burst, Adams often didn't get much separation. What GB really needed was a better MVS or twitchy slot guy. Watson will be the long speed guy who can move better than MVS...but it may not happen this season with his injuries and lack of timing with AR. ML has dialed him back severely....probably because of AR wishes. The offense should run thru Jones and Dillon and the passing game as secondary after the run game gets rolling to make the defense pay for their scheme adjustment to the run.

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jlc1's picture

October 15, 2022 at 06:40 am

Geez now Rodgers' ability to throw into tight windows is a liability. So many of those "bad" passes were the only place a catch might be made. With their sticky gloves the receiver is able to make those kinds of catches now. But hate on ARod all you want.

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Since'61's picture

October 14, 2022 at 08:40 pm

We expected that the Packers offense would have problems early in the season due to a new receiving corps and due to the status of our OL

Those 2 problems have proven out over the first 5 games. My concern is that the Packers haven’t shown any interest in taking some corrective actions.

First, Jenkins should have returned to LG and at the least should have been moved back to LG by now. Put Nijman at RT and move Runyon to RG. That puts our best 5 OL on the field and likely at their most effective positions.

Second get the ball into the hands of your best players, specifically Jones, Dillon and Lazard. Losing is one thing but losing because you are not utilizing your best players is a stupid way to lose especially when they are healthy.

Third play defense aggressively. Attack the offense on every down. Pressure the QB, force mistakes and turnovers. Never let up regardless of the score.

Make in game adjustments as necessary and as our opponent adjusts to our game plan.

Play smart situational football like running the ball with Jones and Dillon when you have 2 downs to pick up 2 yards. Don’t throw three consecutive low percentage passes after your defense has been on the field for the previous 8 minutes. Or switch to man defense when your zone defense is being used as a practice passing session by your opponent. And yes blitz the opposing QB and try to force turnovers.

If this coaching staff doesn’t get it together this week we have much more to be concerned about besides QB1.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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jlc1's picture

October 15, 2022 at 06:43 am

Coaching staff is the main problem. Football values coaching far more than other sports (see Lombardi, Vince). These guys are playing tentatively because that's what the plan is, especially on D.

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zerotolerance's picture

October 15, 2022 at 09:18 pm

So true. Packer fan since birth in ‘57. Playing to loose is a loosing proposition.

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Ritzy's picture

October 14, 2022 at 08:49 pm

Yes, I'm concerned that Rodgers is fading, as most old quarterbacks do. Just a few years ago, he could extend plays with his quick feet, but now he takes bad sacks. Back in his prime, good things could happen when he extended plays, now, nothing good happens except for some tosses toward the stands to get rid of the ball (finally). And this season's offensive line isn't doing him any favors, especially Newman and Jenkins on the right side and their lousy pass blocking. I don't know if the Packers can fix all their problems on offense for them to be a playoff contender this season. I'll root for the best, but am kind of expecting the worst. Good luck against the Jets.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 15, 2022 at 12:06 am

Well said. But, do not forget 2 broken clavicules. Those bones are very important in throwing movements. Repaired bone is never the same as undamaged one. And, by age the problem will grow.

Do not forget that that.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 15, 2022 at 12:08 am

The Packers are 8th in DVOA on offense in the league right now. They're not turning yards into points often enough. What would they be minus Rodgers?

I keep going back to the Rams losing 3 straight games last year, two of them by more than 10 points and wondering how many Rams fans were crying to fire everybody. Wonder how many of them mea culpa'd at the end of their season?

I guess I didn't realize overseas games counted more.

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Coldworld's picture

October 15, 2022 at 09:43 am

That’s a great question. Would lesser talent but more willingness to work with the pieces and in a less QB centric system, would we do better or worse?

After thinking about it, I’m really not sure that there would be a material difference based in the season to date. I find that conclusion quite disturbing, not least because I think Rodgers still has the physical ability.

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PhantomII's picture

October 15, 2022 at 05:47 pm

Better question is what would 50 million buy for a QB to be surrounded by: (Offense)....A better OG,..Legit TE...#1WR.... OR (Defense): 1 or 2-Better Safeties, 1-Better DL, Rotational OLB. I think the Offense needs the more injection of talent, and would help another QB the most. AR needs to work with what he has for now. Gute needs to find a better WR or very good TE...way better than what we have now.

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PhantomII's picture

October 15, 2022 at 01:33 pm

Most novice fans can see a crappy game plan on offense and defense and a coaches inability to make in-game adjustments. Very poor play calling is also to blame. The OL struggles to get healthy and produce like before injury appears to be a longer wait. Not emphasizing your only true weapon in Jones in the run AND pass game is a big reason as well. Our WR group is pretty marginal and protected with many on the 53. We need another spark plug or 2 type player like jones. The Defense and offense need to be tasked and play to their strengths...that's simple and where they need to start the game plan.

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