If you ask the fans, many would say "pretty hot", but my feeling is management does not share that opinion.

TK is right. Capers seat isn't hot. It should be, but it's not.

Between TT's team building philosophy, his complete inability to find difference making players on defense, and Capers exotic defenses, I've pretty much resigned myself to hoping the offense can outscore other teams.

That will get you to the playoffs, but defenses that don't stand up at the opportune time also get you a 1 way ticket home in the playoffs against good QBs rather quickly.

When Capers is discussed I hear a number of excuses..opps...reasons why the Packers defense isn't at or near the top of the NFL rankings. In 2009 & 2010 the Packers defense ranked at or near the top of every defensive ranking, EXACTLY like Capers led defenses have in every other city he's coached in.

The reasons I hear most are..1) Injuries....2) The scheme is too difficult for a young player to grasp....3) He isn't given the talent he needs to be successful...4) His defensive philosophy is obsolete and doesn't work anymore, he's a dinosaur.

Reason #1 is valid, especially last year. Reason #2 is on Capers and if it's really true then after 8 seasons you'd think they could come up with a solid dumbed down approach. At least one where they are say ranked in the top 12 instead of the bottom 10. Reason #3 is just Horsesh** IMO. The 2017 draft should mark the 6th consecutive year the Packers use a 1st round pick on defense. To further make a point the Packers have used 23 picks on defense since 2012, 23 PICKS!!!! I'm sorry but if Capers can't make it work with that many picks, then maybe he is a dinosaur. It's either that or maybe (GASP) TT can't draft a Championship Defense.

I don't really know what it is. I suppose it's a combination of all the reasons. But PLEASE don't tell us it's because we draft near the end of every round. Other teams seem to find talent in rounds 2 through 7 all the time so there IS talent. Ted just isn't finding it often enough. OR the players aren't bright enough to understand it. No matter what the reason the seat should be HOT.

Excuses please...

not a fan.i would like to see, since 2011, how many times the defense has given up the the go ahead TD or FG on the last drive of the game.
i never did like his play not to lose strategy at the end of games.....especially the Seattle game in 2014. his 3 man rush and bend but don't break strategy has never worked. but, after all the crappy endings, he's still there and will be until hell freezes over.

Yes, Dom is a problem, but Dom is not THE problem. Ted is THE problem. Now, we'll see if Ted's unusual display of FA participation gets us anything this year. (Still don't have a real CB...)

(My take is that the "real Ted" will return with a vengeance in the draft, and under the guise of "best player available," he goes WR, TE, QB in rounds 1-3.)

Fire HIM! New leadership is needed.

This article has basically repeated my post from last evening except with more details and stats about how poor the Packers defense has been on 3rd downs and their inconsistent play overall. If we look at the defense since the 2010 SB win we find that Capers has had all types of players since then. 2011 we still had Woodson, CM3, Raji, Shields, Williams, and Collins until he was injured. Since then experienced and inexperienced players have come and gone but the results have been the same. Inconsistent defense during the regular season and bad defense during the playoffs. However Capers has been here for the entire time and his schemes have not succeeded regardless of who has been on the field. Since Capers has been the only consistent variable during the last 6 seasons it's pretty obvious, at least to me, that we're overdue for a change at DC. At this point Capers seat should be an ejector seat and he should be gone. His seat should be boiling but I'm sure it's not and may never be unless we fail to make the playoffs. Thanks, Since '61

The Dom Capers story should begin with, "Once upon a time"...

There was a time, when Capers constructed a notorious defense which capitalized on the unique skills and strengths of the players available. Players such as Woodson, Greene, Kirkland, Lloyd, Lake, et al coalesced to create a defense which was dominant, and is often the case in the NFL, led to Capers' ascendance to head coach. After several unsuccessful runs as HC, he was called to GB to replace Bob Sanders.

In 2010, he repeated that feat as a DC, as players such as Woodson, Matthews, Collins, Jenkins, Hawk, Williams et al coalesced to create a defense which was dominant and resulted in a Super Bowl win.

Case in point is this: Capers success has always relied on the assemblage of talent and nothing else. He is not, as a coach, a difference maker, and his record shows him to be quite average.

But in fairness, maybe his story should start, "Twice upon a time."

I'd love for it to be VERY hot, but in all reality, I'd say it's not hot at all.
If this relic hasn't been fired already, he should be able to coast into retirement as long as fat McCarthy is around.

I don't think Dom is a bad coach at all. But I do think his complex scheme and Ted's draft-and-develop philosophy just don't mesh. If Dom had more vets on defense he would probably be fine. If the Packers had a coordinator who employed a much more simple scheme they would be fine. Just not a good fit for either party.

I would be curious to hear about the relationship between MM and DC. Early on, I suspect that Capers was a good resource for MM as a former HC that had to build rosters on two expansion teams. Now, I have this feeling that he's being kept on due as much to loyalty as anything else.

The real key is the corner back positions on paper because if healthy the D-Line and LB positions along with the 2 safeties are competent and competitive and edge rush talent via the draft is available. Everyone is banking on Randall and Rollins being legit CB's if healthy but according to Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel in his view covering the team full time there are more than health concerns with the pair;

"Randall has been inconsistent, wasn’t healthy last year, hasn’t grown intellectually on the football field the way Clinton-Dix or Adams did and wouldn’t be considered near the best-conditioned player on the roster. As a first-round pick, he should be hitting all those targets in his third season.

And it will start with how well he prepares during the offseason.

Rollins is in the same boat. He’s a second-round pick. Though he was picked there based on one season of football at Miami (Ohio), he’s had two years to learn the NFL game. His lack of speed (4.57 seconds in the 40) always will be an issue just as it was with Hyde (4.56)."

Except for a slightly higher vertical jump (36½ to 33 inches), Rollins tested about the same as Hyde coming out of college and it’s safe to say Hyde was a far more instinctive player when he was at this point in Rollins’ career. In other words, Rollins may not offer anything more than what Hyde did when it’s all said and done.

I don't know how much blame Capers deserves, but I do know my biggest problem with him: Failure in adapting to his roster.

Put simply, Ted has drafted many 4-3 players, but Dom stubbornly demands 3-4 and 2-5 packages. Datone Jones, among others, wasn't just a square peg--he was virtually worthless in his usage.

I don't see this changing with Capers, so hopefully Ted will draft better to the system.

Dom is not completely to blame. Ted NEVER gets him the players he need to run his defense. He continues to draft players who "he thinks" can play OLB or DE in the 3-4. Instead of drafting players who actually played in a 3-4 defense. That being said Dom's job is to design that works with the players he has. Which IMO he has not done very well. Dom's seat should have been hot for the last few years. But MM just loves the guy. So as someone else stated Dom will leave when Dom wants to leave.

Dom is not to blame here. Back when our defense was good in 2010 and 2011 the Packers had Pro bowl players on defense and at least one future hall of famer. Now we have no one at that level. Now it is Dom's job to help get these guys to that level but I feel our drafting on D has not been the best. I always ask the question if not Dom then who?? I just feel sometimes fans puts it on the coaches and not the players. The one thing for sure about Dom, he is one of the hardest working guys on the staff. I hope we have a good year and both our offense and defense has great success. GOPACKGO

Dom's seat doesn't seem hot at all, though it should be.

You can probably tell that I'm a relatively big defender of MM & TT, but I think their decision to keep letting Dom choose his own destiny is the thing I'm most mad about. You can argue that TT has missed on defensive picks (he has). You can also argue that we've had bad injury luck (we have). But Dom's defense since after the 2009-2010 glory years has continually baffled me with its evolution. I hate the style of Nickel/Dime defense we play, I hate seeing undersized players trying to rush from interior DL positions

Frankly, I also wonder why Dom keeps wanting to come back at his age and with all he's accomplished, as well.

As always there are lot of valid theories, points and ideas on this endless discussion. I would just throw out that perhaps with the large amount of young players over the years, players have not fully grasped the system because we don't have a head coach on the sidelines guiding players up front and personal. Maybe I'm too old school but just maybe that would help. Sky box coaching just seems bizarre to me and always will.

Love the term "Sky Box Coaching", I too wonder what effect that has.

I believe its the personnel and scheme. obviously there is a disconnect in the WAR Room pre- drafting. I agree on some of TT defensive picks were complete busts... Harrell, Datone Jones. But overall TT has been very effective selecting players. MY biggest problem with Capers is the adjustments. That was evident on the 2016 NFC Championship game. Remember the start of 2016 the Defense was on fire leading the league in the first 6 games stopping the run and scoring. Then the wheels fell off. I'm not worried about the Defense or Schemes but the adjustments. The Defense can only improve from last years fiasco.

I was on the band wagon to fire him but I realized he can only produce results with the players available to him, now if he had a bunch of pro bowlers to work with and could not get the job done then yes it's on him , but he is not stocked with pro bowlers so let's see what they give him to work with this year .

A change should have been made a couple of years ago, I don't expect much difference from this season from last year. If we struggle this season hopefully, there will be a change, no questions asked.

I've been praying for his dismissal for years. You don't need stats, you just need to know the feeling when an important stop on 3rd and long is necessary, we all know the other team will convert. We know someone, an average QB (Kaperdick) or an average WR (could name a dozen) will set some sort of career or NFL record. I also blame TT, but Capers just has to field an average D with our offense since Rodgers and he hasn't done it. We'll all have our hopes up this year because we will win the North. But then against a good team with a good QB's Dom's dumb ass schemes will doom us and we'll have this same discussion next year. I'd dump both he and TT, but no one will let me. So we're stuck in the hope that Rodgers will be so spectacular as to overcome the D. Of course that could curse us with Dom for another five years.

I've always given some the benefit of don't considering who he has to play with. The worst pass defenders in football, blow avg jobs, pass rushers, what pass rushers.
I'm more shocked he didn't quit and tell Ted to gfu.

Dom has the absolute worst hair in the NFL. It's atrocious.

Its "Players not Plays". Our defense is slow and slower. Dom has tried to work around the lack of speed and talent. Perhaps another DC can do better but my guess is that MM doesn't think so and its only his opinion that matters in the case of his handpicked DC.

The best metric for a defense and a full team effort I've seen is from Football Outsiders. It's the difference between your QB's efficiency and the opposing QB's efficiency. The Pack sucks using that metric.

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One of the reasons why there are so many injuries on defense is because they're on the damn field so long! Imo Dom Capers = good, Red Thompson = good but D.C + T.T = Bad. Capers needs a high percentage of vets to run his schemes. Too many young guys on the field increases the risk that assignments will not be understood and hence blown.

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Capers is like the mother-in-law that comes for a visit and never leaves. Only she will choose when to leave.

Capers will retire when TT retires. He won't be fired. If the Packers felt his work wasn't any good, they would have fired him a few years ago. But apparently they think he is doing a great job.

I think the point here is much simpler than "how hot Capers seat is." There are 2 core arguments to Dom Capers: It's either his systems fault for being too complicated and asking too much of players, or he doesn't have enough talent to work with. Those are the arguments right? Either way what do those arguments share? They share the necessity for change. If Capers system isn't working then he needs to go. If he doesn't have the "talent" then we need to get rid of our stingy GM who is providing him his sub-par players. It's so frustrating how we can sit here and argue over whose fault it is instead of, oh I don't know...admit that the bottom line is there is a MAJOR defensive issue that is causing us to lose championships and someone needs to go. It's either Capers or Thompson's fault. So one of them needs to go. Why aren't we calling for changes? How frustrating is it being a fan of an organization that has stats to back up how bad we've been on defense.... but makes ZERO changes. Patriots wouldn't stand for a glaring weakness this long.

I think the point here is much simpler than "how hot Capers seat is." There are 2 core arguments to Dom Capers: It's either his systems fault for being too complicated and asking too much of players, or he doesn't have enough talent to work with. Those are the arguments right? Either way what do those arguments share? They share the necessity for change. If Capers system isn't working then he needs to go. If he doesn't have the "talent" then we need to get rid of our stingy GM who is providing him his sub-par players. It's so frustrating how we can sit here and argue over whose fault it is instead of, oh I don't know...admit that the bottom line is there is a MAJOR defensive issue that is causing us to lose championships and someone needs to go. It's either Capers or Thompson's fault. So one of them needs to go. Why aren't we calling for changes? How frustrating is it being a fan of an organization that has stats to back up how bad we've been on defense.... but makes ZERO changes. Patriots wouldn't stand for a glaring weakness this long.

I'll start by saying, I am not a fan of Dom Capers. He & his defense should have been gone long ago. I also was never a fan of Shields, Williams, & Lord knows AJ HAWK.

Bishop was a Big Loss, so was Nick Barnett, Raji, yes & no. It all started with Cullen Jenkins, if you want to know it. These were the 3 or 4 losses that hurt GB, Not Shields, & certainly Not Williams. If you want to talk about a Great CB that GB lost, all you need to do is mention the name McKenzie. Shields or Williams, couldn't tie his shoes.

Jenkins, Bishop, Barnette, & Raji were replaced with inferior players. GB never recovered from their loss.

I don't pretend to be an expert on defenses, but I'd like to think I know a Good Player from a Bad one, or a Good Coach from a Bad Coach. I think MM is a Great Coach. That's where it ends for me.

One thing I do know, this guy has had 9 years. Without Charles Wilson all 9 would have been Bad.

From what I can remember, Ed Donetell took a bullet for 1 play. He apparently didn't belong to the "Good Old Boy's Club".
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was a failure from the very beginning, never fit the bill in the 3-4 and will probably be out of the association in two years.

Capers was on the hot seat last year, but returned despite a bottom-of-the-league ranking. The Packers have tanked with Aaron Rodgers on IR, and were

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