Hello Wisconsin: Silver Linings from a Humbling Early Season Collapse
Time to move forward from Cleveland.
By TimBackes

Oof.
Well, if you needed a reminder that the Green Bay Packers are the league’s youngest team, look no further than this past weekend’s epic collapse against the Cleveland Browns. It’s been a bit since the Packers had a meltdown so unbelievably epic after having a two-score lead so late.
I don’t want to go back over everything that went wrong, because we know it all by now. The offensive malaise, the special teams gaffes, the strange decisions. I can’t put too much blame on the defense, because you expect to win any game where you put up three shutout quarters and hold the opponent to 13 points. But yeah, there was a lot of pretty hideous stuff that occurred against a Browns team that does have one of the league’s better defenses, but is also one of the league’s least formidable teams as a whole.
There’s no getting around just how ugly it was.
Now, that being said, I also do not really have any different thoughts than I did previously about the team’s capabilities this year.
(Though if they come out and lay an egg in Dallas this weekend, I will start to worry.)
Very rare is the team that dominates a season front to back without any hiccups any more, especially early on in the season. It’s become commonplace for these September mishaps to occur with contenders. The talent gap across the league is relatively low all things considered, so the league may be more “any given Sunday” than it’s ever been.
Then you take into account that the Packers are the league’s youngest team who had not yet traveled to a game this season, and who had probably been hearing a lot about how they looked like the league’s best team after their very impressive first two outings against a couple very strong opponents.
I appreciated how much the team seemed to realize exactly what had happened to them and what needed to change. For example, Micah Parsons, who has always been known for his direct and honest nature, said the Packers “shit the bed.”
“"That's just the reality of it. It happens to the best teams. Even the best Super Bowl champs make mistakes, and they pay for it early,” said Parsons.
"You go back to the history of the champions and who've they've played and games they should've won. It's just part of the [NFL]. It's just that competitive. It's that hard to win. It's hard as hell to win football games. So, when you win football games, it's a celebration. But when you lose, it sucks."
He’s exactly right about all of this, and I think being forthcoming about the team having completely blown it shows some self-awareness that is critical to resolving problems like this. You’d much rather have this happen early on in a non-conference game than later in the season in a more crucial matchup.
So for now, I’m ready to chalk it up to a week of weirdness and a bad showing that is in line with the randomness of the NFL. Of the small sample size we have for this NFL season, there is far more good than bad. There are some lingering concerns for me (such as special teams STILL somehow being bad), but I’m much more inclined to believe in the Packers given what we saw for them in the first two weeks.
I’m fully expecting a return to form against Dallas this weekend.
If they come out and defecate the bed once again, however, then some of the catastrophizing I’ve seen will start to become a little more understandable.
Wisconsin Beer of the Week

It’s been a bit since a Lakefront Brewery beer was featured in this space, but I recently paid a visit to their tap room for dinner and drinks before a show and had a couple of their newer releases. They were both solid!
Both are featured in the above photo: the Queen’s Stout and the My Turn: Opis.
Lakefront’s My Turn series is one I’ve talked about here before. Basically, they regularly allow their employees to come up with a concept for a beer and have it named after them. This particular one is a Vienna style lager, which is quite similar to an Oktoberfest.
“Opis, Kitchen Manager here at Lakefront, brewed this Vienna Lager. Vienna and Munich malts serve up intricate toasty and nutty flavors, while German noble hops keep sweetness in check.”
This is a very versatile beer, and at just 5.4% ABV it is also highly versatile. Strongly recommend for this fall season when the maltier lagers start to hit a little bit more. Perfect for Oktoberfest season.
The Queen’s Stout, meanwhile, was a lighter stout that I enjoyed immensely. This one is only 5.1% ABV, so it’s very much in the mold of a lot of those British style stouts that are about the roasty flavor but without some of the heaviness that a lot of American stouts have to them. This particular beer was brewed in a medieval style to be served at the Bristol Renaissance Faire.
Lakefront is a great place to visit whether you’re a local or a visitor to Milwaukee. Beyond their beers you can get anywhere and anytime pretty much all over the state, their tap room also always has all kinds of new and experimental beers that you won’t necessarily find out for distribution. There’s always something fun and interesting to try. So if you’ve never been, you should definitely fix that!
Some extra juice to the Micah Parsons return story
Something that I’m sure is common knowledge but I only just learned today as I was listening to some sports radio on my evening drive:
Apparently, Micah Parsons had a luxury suite that he had a lease on in Dallas. He attempted to get out of that lease after being traded… and the Cowboys would not allow him to do so.
It’s kind of hilariously petty. They were saying Parsons actually called up Kenny Clark and asked if he’d like to sublet, to which Clark respectfully declined.
But it’s just one more of those stories that shows you how petty and out of touch Jerry Jones is.
Parsons has more than enough reasons to be pissed at the Cowboys and to be motivated to come in and wreck things this weekend without having to consider this. I just thought it was kind of a funny (and typical) story.
My first Homecoming chaperone experience
So throughout my time teaching I’ve managed to avoid chaperoning dances. I always chaperone the post prom event every spring because I live close by and it’s a pretty low key event (with lots of food to boot). But the actual dances? Not really my scene. I figure I’ve done enough high school dances when I was actually in high school.
However, they were short on chaperones this time around, so I figured I’d finally toss my hat in the ring. And it was actually pretty fun! There was very little drama or misbehavior. It was cool to see a different side of the kids, all dressed up and at an event like that. And it was also fun to watch one of those rites of adolescence and see that, even with all of the phones and the generational differences, some things are still very much the same.
Among those things, apparently, is the music they play at the dances. It was kind of funny; a lot of the music they played that evening was music from my own high school and college days. And even funnier, the kids were loving it. Like, they absolutely lost it for “Yeah!” by Usher, which is 21 years old at this point. And there were a ton of other songs like that.
One of the other chaperones who is probably around my age asked what I think will be the songs from this generation that get played at homecomings 20 years into the future. My first thought was probably “Pink Pony Club” by Chappell Roan – it just seems like it has that timeless quality to it. But it was hard to figure a good answer.
I do always get a chuckle out of Homecoming season simply because it’s so outrageously American. I always sit in the pep rally assembly we have at the end of school on the Friday of Homecoming week and think about how it would feel for a European to suddenly be transported there. They’d probably think they were watching a teen movie play out right in front of them.
But anyway – there are lots of struggles right now in the world of education, few of which have anything to do with the actual teaching portion. But this was a fun reminder that things can still feel “normal.”
Around the NFC North
As always, it’s time to go around the NFC North.
- The CHICAGO BEARS had a big surprise coming out party at home against the Cowboys. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m always happy to see the Cowboys lose, but it’s also a confusing experience when they’re playing a team like the Bears, who I also would prefer to see lose every game. The Bears and Ben Johnson desperately needed a performance like this after an absolute stinker against Detroit in Week 2, which had many (myself included) feeling like this team was farther away than ever in its rebuilding process. Maybe, just maybe, there are some positive signs after all… but more than likely, the Bears still suck.
- The DETROIT LIONS have been on a tear since getting humbled by the Packers in the first week of the season, most recently notching something of an upset against a good Baltimore Ravens team on Monday Night Football. As it turns out, rumors of the Lions’ demise have been greatly exaggerated, and this is starting to have the look of a team that’s going to be right there with the Packers all season long. Fortunately, at least for the moment, the Packers have the tiebreaking edge, but you have to think the boys in blue already have Thanksgiving Day circled on their calendars.
- The MINNESOTA VIKINGS had a heck of a day under the leadership of Carson Wentz this past weekend, but it’s hard to know how much of that is about the Vikings versus how much of it was about the Bengals seemingly rolling over in the wake of the long-term injury to Joe Burrow. Certainly, the Bengals seemed like zombies out there. But you have to admire the work that Kevin O’Connell continues to do with this team. Despite a rotating cast of less-than-ideal quarterbacks, the Vikings continue to be competitive. If he finally gets the franchise quarterback the team has been lacking… look out.
Mr. Backes’s “This or That”
Every day I put a different “this or that” poll up on my whiteboard and have students leave tallies throughout the day. I then compile this information and post it here for laughs.
Here’s what we’ve seen over the last week:
- Tests defeated essays
- Fiction defeated nonfiction
- Conrad defeated Jeremiah (this was a request from some students… apparently it relates to a Netflix show called The Summer I Turned Pretty)
- Grape flavor defeated strawberry flavor
- Prom defeated Homecoming
Week 4 NFL Picks
The Packers are simply a better team than the Cowboys, but there are several other factors at play here. They’re going to be fired up after a humiliating loss (I’d hope), they’ve got Micah Parsons ready to prove something in front of Jerry Jones, and they’ve never once lost in AT&T Stadium. I think this ends up being an undressing.
Packers 33, Cowboys 10
And the rest of the week…
SEAHAWKS over Cardinals
VIKINGS over Steelers
COMMANDERS over Falcons
CHARGERS over Giants
TEXANS over Titans
BUCCANEERS over Eagles
PANTHERS over Patriots
BILLS over Saints
LIONS over Browns
49ERS over Jaguars
RAMS over Colts
RAIDERS over Bears
RAVENS over Chiefs
PACKERS over Cowboys
JETS over Dolphins
BRONCOS over Bengals
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Tim Backes is a lifelong Packer fan and a contributor to CheeseheadTV. Follow him on Twitter @timbackes for his Packer takes, random musings and Untappd beer check-ins.
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Comments (46)
Cheezehead72
September 25, 2025 at 07:02 am
Tim interesting article except for the beer segment as I quit drinking alcohol long before “Yeah!” by Usher came out. I do not know if I ever heard it. My preference in music is before 1985. Yes you know the last century. I like to say that there are very few good songs after 1985. Yes I am stuck in the past. I am glad you had a good time. Oh and thank you for being a teacher. Our youth need good teachers and role models.
My view on this game is I hope Parsons throttles it back a little. Yes I am a believe that a player can play too fast and hard and try to take the game in his own hands. When a player does that they tend not to be as effective. I hope he plays within the system and the Packers win.
LambeauPlain
September 25, 2025 at 09:04 am
Hoping Parsons "throttles is back a little" is akin to desiring Cooper tackles with less urgency and authority...neither are going to happen.
NickPerry
September 25, 2025 at 07:07 am
The Packers are going to Jerry's World where they've never lost. They should keep that streak going this weekend and it shouldn't be close. The Packers are a much better football team period. This will be Micah's coming out party. I think he gets 2 sacks for himself and sets up his teammates for a few more. With Cee Dee Lamb out they should pound the hell out of them.
On offense I want to see a big game from Jacobs and a bigger game from Jordan Love. I hope we don't see that WTF play by Jordan that he seems to have most games. Get Matthew Golden involved early and often. It's ALL gas and NO brakes for 60 minutes boys. Just Do It!
Go Pack Go!
dobber
September 25, 2025 at 07:30 am
"The Packers are going to Jerry's World where they've never lost."
Way to jinx it, NP!
Houndog
September 25, 2025 at 08:41 am
I'm All-In on the "all Gas and No brakes", Nick!
Ya' think maybe we should send LaFleur a note?
T7Steve
September 25, 2025 at 07:19 am
We've seen that the Packers are capable of beating anyone including themselves. Now's the time to show they're capable of putting that humiliation behind them and beat the Cows.
Hopefully they come out of this game healthy and use it to get dialed in for the rest of the long season.
porupack
September 25, 2025 at 07:39 am
Thanks Tim. I am less generous in my assessment of that game. It isn't about "over-estimating" and 'youth" or lack of experience. This isn't high school. They are experienced and are pros, and compete for their roster spots. That excuse doesn't hold water. The performance is revealing. That game shows cracks and weaknesses. We've seen them all before...so it shows us that GB has SB potential with a lot of "Ifs" including the usual "injury report-if". GB has to game plan for its weaknesses, and that was/is/ and shall be evermore none other than JLove and the WR corps...until they show that they can take over a game and dominate regardless of what the opposing defense does. There is always an antidote for it. The coaches had plenty of intel on Cleveland and couldn't execute precise and timed passes that negate that rush??? C'mon man. Such exposes the weaknesses of MLF. I'm not saying he isn't a good coach, but he has his weakness and is exploitable....as, now, and shall be evermore...until he shows he can counter. It isn't about just having a "blip" to "learn their lessons". That lesson has been learned in high school.
JohnnyLogan
September 25, 2025 at 10:38 am
I Am saying Le Fleur isn’t a good coach. How many games over how many years have the same problems arisen; poor in-game management, bad game plan, no offense for long periods of the game, and then the inevitable from LE Fleur, “I have to be better .” He can’t be. He’s not one of the smarter, more innovative coaches in the league. His job is protected, for now, by a talented defense, but I hope we see the end of his reign soon.
davekenya
September 25, 2025 at 02:50 pm
I also am not buying the 'youth/over-estimating' excuse. If that were true, the defense would also have sucked; instead they played lights out...and are just as young and read/listened to the same lead up 'Pack to go undefeated' media hype of the past week. The young defense was not affected by it; they showed up.
So...we have to actually look at the poor offense and (yawn) special teams problems.
Guam
September 25, 2025 at 07:42 am
If the Packers come out of the first quarter of the season at 3-1, I will be very happy. Would never have predicted the loss would be to the Browns, but 3-1 while playing Detroit and Washington is quite satisfactory. Unlike Rasheed Walker, I never thought the Pack would go unbeaten.
PS: Interesting that with injuries to Watson and Reed, the Packers have released Mecole Hardman from the PS. They did sign a young WR in his place, but you would have thought a vet like Hardman would have been the next man up if any further injuries had occurred. I guess the more they saw of Hardman, the less they liked him.
LambeauPlain
September 25, 2025 at 09:08 am
"I guess the more they saw of Hardman, the less they liked him."
As a fan, that was my assessment of him too. Had a decent few years early in his career, but his fade has been going into the rough. Kind of like Andre Dillard, former first round T who the Packers gave a reclamation opportunity and realized he was done.
Coldworld
September 25, 2025 at 09:22 am
The somewhat odd aspect of this is we are willing to put Golden back there even with Reed down and don’t seem to have an obvious punt return back up, including the new PS WR (though he’s returned kicks).
Hardman is a pure slot and we have a lot of smaller fast slot capable types: even without Reed, Golden can do that, Melton is now healthy and we have Wicks and others that can play there if somewhat differently. So Hardman seemed less relevant as a factor on O, but as return depth he made sense till they clearly declined to use him despite injury and so so results.
HawkPacker
September 25, 2025 at 10:08 am
They need to draft Wetjen out of Iowa who is an all american kick/punt returner/WR next year. He is fast and good.
davekenya
September 25, 2025 at 02:55 pm
With so many top WRs on the team out, I consider it borderline criminal to put Golden back there fielding punts. Yeah...let's risk losing HIM to a punt return injury. Then where is the WR group? Bad risk/reward analysis. I hope their grooming/working on Melton to take on this role..would make more sense.
dobber
September 25, 2025 at 07:52 am
"Then you take into account that the Packers are the league’s youngest team who had not yet traveled to a game this season"
Belton ended up playing more than we'd like, and Golden garnered his share of snaps, but otherwise the game fell mostly on 2nd year players and other veterans. Philly had no problem playing its rooks regularly and in specific roles on their way to a SB last year. If this team has championship aspirations, they have to shed that "young team" crutch in a hurry.
"(Though if they come out and lay an egg in Dallas this weekend, I will start to worry."
Dallas has plenty of problems...and they align with the Packers problem areas right now (Dallas D v. Packers O). Dallas has playmakers even without Lamb. They can run the ball if the Packers allow them to keep that in the game script...which is why, if I'm the Packers, I take the ball on the opening flip and I do my damnedest to march downfield and put up a fast 7 and force Dallas into a catchup mindset from the very start. The Packers could very well lose this weekend if they let Dallas hang around very long. I hope they don't.
"Maybe, just maybe, there are some positive signs after all… but more than likely, the Bears still suck."
Last season around week 5, the Bears put up 35+ in back to back weeks against bad Jacksonville and Carolina teams to get to 4-2 and get their fans' hopes up. They immediately lost their next 10 games. Yes, they pounded a bad and mistake prone Dallas team, but until they can do it with regularity, it means nothing.
Detroit's not going away. They will be ready when the Packers show up there later this season...but who will they have? They already are using up their IR slots. Campbell's style of play gets guys dinged up. Whatever happens, that game will be a tough one.
Cincinnati is bad. They have playmakers in the passing game on offense, but no run game and a QB who looked shell-shocked. The defense is lousy. The Vikes will get shown up by Pittsburgh overseas this week.
Coldworld
September 25, 2025 at 08:18 am
Did anyone really think the Detroit O had become toothless simply because we beat them? The Lions O is largely unchanged and it’s very powerful IF Goff has time. We beat them because he didn’t and even when he did, didn’t feel he had it. In the next two games he did, though he took a little time to settle in the second. That has always been who Goff is and thus what their O is.
Their OL isn’t as good, but it’s been good enough since game one to give him all day to allow plays to develop and throw from a secure pocket. The results have been what I would expect. That doesn’t change the fact that we were able to stop him and, if we or others can in coming weeks, how they can be undone now perhaps a tad more often.
dobber
September 25, 2025 at 08:21 am
"Did anyone really think the Detroit O had declined simply because we beat them? "
A significant number of people were gleefully digging a hole to throw the Lions in most of the offseason and after week 1. It was premature.
Houndog
September 25, 2025 at 08:59 am
Premature, hell yes!
To me, the thing about the Lions is that their play matches their Coach's personality.
Unfortunately, last Sunday, the Packers did it too.
crayzpackfan
September 25, 2025 at 08:49 am
Dobber -
"Campbell's style of play gets guys dinged up"
Does GB have that same play style? Our injury reports are as long as a NY phonebook. By the CBA, they also have to adhere to the rules of how to practice as well. I think Detroit just has had bad luck with injuries much like us. There are several physical teams out there who don't have these injuries. Saying a team plays too hard sounds weird to me actually.
murf7777
September 25, 2025 at 08:11 am
One way to put that debacle in Cleveland behind us is to go to Dallas and blow them out! We need to get that sour taste out of our mouths.
Clark has an ankle injury and will probably miss the game. That just makes a bad defense even worse. There are three things I’m hoping to see from our offense. Get the damn running game going, some cohesiveness and few mistakes from the OL and Golden get his first TD and 100+ yard game.
On Defense, just dominate from start to finish and keep them below 17 points. That will be a challenge because Dallas does have a very good offense. No garbage time points.
Lastly, please let the ST’s play mistake free. Coach B has to get better from his players. GPG
dobber
September 25, 2025 at 08:24 am
"One way to put that debacle in Cleveland behind us is to go to Dallas and blow them out! We need to get that sour taste out of our mouths."
This Dallas game is a measuring stick...not based on opponent. Dallas is riddled with problems at this point. It's a measuring stick for the mentality and resilience of the Packers. They need to come out and want to show everyone that Cleveland was an aberration, and this team is way better than what we saw four days ago.
Doing it on the road against a team that always is in the press will make a big statement.
Coldworld
September 25, 2025 at 09:34 am
I do not think Dallas is capable of posing any of the questions that we could not answer last week or hitting the pressure points that triggered them. Dallas isn’t particularly good now, but it’s also designed as a very different team even if it were.
If we kick their butts as they were kicked last week by a questionable team then we feel better as fans but I doubt any question is legitimately answered and will equally doubt any who will proclaim them as being laid to rest.
If we don’t beat them, then it will likely mean a very different set of problems are exposed or simply that the collapse in areas seen last week is catastrophic. That seems unlikely to me. The Packers are not a bad team just one not threatening to be really good outside of defense thus far.
We should win and do so by a clear margin, especially if Kenny Clark is out (he’s been by far their best lineman despite niggles and the source of most pressures). If we don’t then I think the landscape changes dramatically. If you want proof, look at how good they made the Bears look at all levels.
Coldworld
September 25, 2025 at 09:58 am
Does anyone know where Brant Banks played his 4 snaps on STs in week 2? He’s 6’7 with an 82+ inch wingspan and has played LT, (G in college, LT here—was a RT last year). I’m wondering if he will be active and on the left side of the Kick protection line from now on. That left side was an issue throughout the game last week, not just on the blocked kick.
BuckyBadger
September 25, 2025 at 08:22 am
Just about every Super Bowl team takes a bad loss during the seasons. Eagles lost to the Falcons last year, the Chiefs always seem to have a week or more where they can't get out of their own way. The Browns game is a loss but I wouldn't sweat a loss in September vs an AFC foe. It happens. As mentioned in the article there isn't an NFL team that is that far off any other one. Change a few players on any roster and I can make a contender out of them. These guys are pros and the back ups are probably better than anyone any of us have ever played against in a real competitive environment.
mrtundra
September 25, 2025 at 08:24 am
I think if Burrow played in the Bengals-vikings game, the Bengals would have won.
Cheezehead72
September 25, 2025 at 08:33 am
It would have come down to whoever had the ball last.
Coldworld
September 25, 2025 at 08:37 am
Some people want to put each game in a box as a stand alone event with little Individual significance. More so if we lose. There are times when a team just has an off day or freakishly on day, but there are times when that day is a window into their true identity.
How does one tell without hindsight? In large part it’s whether the causes are recurring themes that we see in other games and whether other teams can exploit them once seen as well as the opponent that day as opposed to lapses in things that are otherwise consistent.
Not every team will be able to, but it only takes one when it matters. We could pound this Dallas team on Sunday without ever really answering questions by posed last week and while still exhibiting many of the failings, simply due to the differences between the teams and how we match up with them.
The reality though is that what we saw against the Browns has occurred before and derailed us on both offense and STs and not just with the current player group. These aren’t out of the blue issues, they are regular ones and have persisted over seasons. That is what makes the Browns debacle significant for all that it took a nightmarish conflation to seize defeat.
The Browns have no offense worth noting and we played good defense. The play, calling and tactics of our O and ST caused that loss primarily and all of the elements were ones we’ve seen and lamented before. If one doesn’t face that reality and learn then one is likely headed for disappointment.
Nothing about Dallas suggests a similar set of pressures. In fact a shellacking would not surprise me (rare that I predict one). Even if I’m right, it won’t change the fact that the dubious foundations exposed again last week remain to undo us in the end as they have in very similar (and predictable) form throughout the LaFleur era.
That doesn’t mean I don’t expect that many here here will be claiming redemption, as they have done each year till we are again tripped up by coaching in a predictable manner. Good leaders strive to fix it. LaFleur just trusts his approach and methods and gives great latitude to his staff to do the same until it comes back to bite us, at times even in the same ways against the same opponents.
LambeauPlain
September 25, 2025 at 09:27 am
It occurred to me reading your comment, that LaFleur's status quo approach to game planning, prep, practice, and personnel is very much the same as it was in 2019. I believe this is why he was so comfortable with Joe Barry...Barry never changed his approach during 3 failed stints as a DC (Detroit, Washington, GB).
He is adverse to change, especially in personnel. Many people are. It is not fun, but for a leader, incredibly necessary.
Most change is difficult for most people...and when it happens, it is usually incremental...step by step. I am trying to identify LaFleur's incremental coaching changes in strategy and tactics, day to day operations. I cannot come up with anything significant.
He's won a lot of games in Green Bay. He's had good rosters. His teams win games they should and lose a few they shouldn't. And the big, significant wins are few.
TarynsEyes
September 25, 2025 at 09:31 am
"So for now, I’m ready to chalk it up to a week of weirdness and a bad showing that is in line with the randomness of the NFL".
I don't believe you or others were so comforting with the week 1 Lions, or even Wash having to deal with the first short week travel game to GB.
Is playing at the capacity of the Walking Dead different for the Packers then their two early victims suffering the same affliction.
I'm wondering how many and when these types of showings will be endured this season, and look forward to the critics comments filled with reasons and excuses, since 1/4 of the season will soon be gone.
NFLfan
September 25, 2025 at 09:37 am
The game against Dallas, with their weakened Defense and absence of Cee Dee L is not a real measure of GB's competence. Let's be honest-it's how GB will function against the Eagles, Lions and perhaps the Vikings that will show its true mettle.
I would like to ask that we stop using 'the youngest team' as an excuse anymore. I am much more concerned about MLF's ability to study and counteract each of his real opponents and come up with 'Plans B &C' as well as 'A'. He is very frustrating to watch when he has that surprised/scared look on his face, which tells me he didn't prepare deeply enough. He needs a real Offensive mind to help him think more strategically.
Ed Policy should, at the very least, insist on hiring an authentic OC as play-caller. Let Stenavich coach the OL. Have the courage to fire Bisaccia.
JohnnyLogan
September 25, 2025 at 11:52 am
Hafley handles the D. A new OC would handle the O What do we need Le Fleur for? His motivational skills? Asking him to hire "a real Offensive mind" is telling, in that it is why Le Fleur was hired, because of his supposed offensive mind. What we'll remember most, once, happily, he's gone, is precisely what you pointed out: his "surprised/scared" look. He looks scared, he plays scared, and after all these years of his tenure, we know that when it's crunch time, he'll get petrified and make some idiotic mistake and piss the game away.
NFLfan
September 25, 2025 at 12:20 pm
I'm taking into consideration that GB is VERY slow in firing those who need to go---SO-let's at least hire a real OC
Leatherhead
September 25, 2025 at 03:35 pm
Yes, we should be quicker, like all those other teams that don't win as many games as the Packers.
NFLfan
September 25, 2025 at 10:40 pm
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NFLfan
September 25, 2025 at 10:54 pm
@LH-Your comments are undermining & immature.
Racingdad
September 25, 2025 at 01:07 pm
GB played scared last week and that’s on mlf
MitchAnthony
September 25, 2025 at 10:05 am
Tim,
I'm sorry but that youngest team tripe has gone way past the expiration date. The Eagles are right behind at second youngest according to the source I just checked. Big deal.
It wasn't some young rookie who missed their block on the dude who blocked the McManus kick.
It wasn't some young rook who needed to call three time outs to avoid delay of game penalties and throw that interception.
The offensive line was - offensive - with the possible exception of Sean Rhyan and they are not all youngsters. They played against a really good defense with a very good defensive coach who had their number.
It is probably a nice thing that you gave some beer advice with the article because if I have to hear anymore about this youngest team nonsense I'm going to turn it into a drinking game. This is the team that players competed to be on. This is the team that management and coaches selected to be on the field and they didn't violate child labor laws to do that. They know what they have in their group and the lowest concern is the number of candles on the birthday cake.
The only possible, and I mean possible thing I could blame on youth, is maybe getting caught up in believing in your own hype way too soon. That might be the only factor where some veteran wisdom can come into the equation and refocus the group.
porupack
September 25, 2025 at 02:19 pm
Exactly what I think. No excuses. Either be prepared and execute and win, or don't and lose. Every team can have "an off day", or aberration, whatever fate, charm, or luck such people believe in. Winners find a way to win even if there are significant adversities and balls roll the wrong way, and red flags fry the wrong way. If you lose, then there are cracks/and weaknesses until you neutralize them or better yet, make them strengths. Until it is proven by a big W, then there is no such thing as 'blips', 'off days" nor "silver linings", and "humble pie lessons learned", etc. Those are the classic excuses. Just win from whistle til whistle.
ricky
September 25, 2025 at 10:13 am
The Packers had seemingly forgotten that pride precedes a fall. And that at the core of Greek tragedies is hubris. Anyway, when players are talking about an undefeated season after two wins, someone needed to step in and inject some reality. And the Browns did just that. I also wonder if the Packers were saying things like, "After we beat the Browns...". Add in that with the Cowboys, they have to still be stinging from that absolutely epic butt kicking they got in the playoffs against the Packers. And they're going to want revenge. The Packers need to come out with all guns blazing on offense so the defense can have an easier game, and not get caught looking forward to the bye week after this game.
The Packers should beat the 'Boys. Then again, they should have won in Cleveland. Put this game away early, keep the pedal to the metal, and don't make the mistake of pulling your starters too early. Or at all. Confidence is good. Overconfidence is the enemy of victory.
Leatherhead
September 25, 2025 at 10:55 am
As a former teacher, your observations about school activities struck a chord. I was always amazed at how many people put in so much effort for these things. Friday night football.....you have people at the ticket booth, the concession stand, etc. The marching band. It's a lot. Thousands of people in the stands for a freakin' high school football game.
As for the Packers, the usual chirping critics are using one game in September to throw shade on MLF. Here's the deal: Nothing good happens on offense without blocking, and some of our best blockers are on the sidelines with injuries. Nothing more than that, the sky is not falling, it's not a glimpse into our "true identity". It was our first road game of the season and we had key people on offense hurt. Nothing more than that.
Even if we lose to the Cowboys, we're still 2-2 and if we can get our people healthy, we'll be in good shape. We have six games coming up....mid-season.....and they're all winnable. Obviously, @Pittsburgh and at home against the Eagles will be difficult games, but they're all winnable. Then we have three games against division opponents, and that'll probably determine who the division champion is.
TarynsEyes
September 25, 2025 at 11:09 am
"Even if we lose to the Cowboys".
Will a loss to Dallas invoke the "if only" excuses?
Leatherhead
September 25, 2025 at 12:37 pm
Not from me. It’s a road game against a good offense. Just like it was when Detroit and Washington came to Green Bay. We’re missing 4 of our top 15 offensive players. Only a moron would expect an easy win.
NFLfan
September 25, 2025 at 10:09 pm
You were a teacher?
Bearmeat
September 25, 2025 at 11:14 am
There is no excuse for last Sunday. It was a gag job. One of the worst since 2019 - in MLF’s entire tenure. The team has to grow from it. The report cards start coming in on Sunday.
Leatherhead
September 25, 2025 at 12:38 pm
We are missing a lot of guys on offense, Bearmeat, and it does make a difference.
TarynsEyes
September 25, 2025 at 05:30 pm
And it begins. Will you be giving the same excuse to teams GB plays that are missing players? Likely not.