Hello Wisconsin: Packers Get Their Biggest Test Yet in Tampa

This week in HELLO WISCONSIN: Chandon Sullivan's great season, some big ol' mozzarella sticks and a date with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

The Packers have already emerged victorious from an away contest with one NFC South foe and playoff contender in the New Orleans Saints. This Sunday, they’ll attempt to make it two for two against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

It’s been a while since the Buccaneers have been looked at as a legitimate playoff contender. Their last appearance in the postseason was 2007, when Jon Gruden was still the coach. They lost in the Wild Card round to the eventual Super Bowl champion New York Giants.

The new-look Bucs have 43-year-old Tom Brady at quarterback, plenty of offensive weapons, and, most importantly, a defense that’s playing pretty solid football in a year in which most defenses are having a hard time catching up after the lack of an offseason.

Brady, of course, is no longer an all-pro caliber player, and possibly not even a top-half starter in the NFL. However, while he might not be able to make all the throws any more, he’s still extremely smart, and has just enough juice left in his arm to make him a reasonably dangerous leader when surrounded with the kind of talent he’s got on his offense, particularly Mike Evans, the finest wide receiver he’s worked with since Randy Moss.

The Bucs’ defense will be down Vita Vea, a young stud defensive lineman who suffered a serious injury against the Bears last Thursday night. But this is still a defense loaded with talent, one that plays together extremely well as a unit.

Through five games, the Buccaneers have allowed 298.2 yards per game, second-fewest only to the Indianapolis Colts. While their pass defense has been pretty good, it’s their run defense that’s been exemplary; they’re allowing just 58.4 rushing yards per game.  Brady may be getting the headlines, but it’s defense that’s powering this Bucs team so far.

This makes for a very interesting matchup when the Packers are on offense. The Packers average 445.5 yards per game on offense, good for second-best in the league. Their 150.8 yards per game on the ground ranks fifth in the league, and their 294.8 yards per game through the air ranks third in the league. 

This makes for an outstanding post-bye week test for Matt LaFleur’s offense. LaFleur has had plenty of time to watch this defense and plan for it. It will be interesting to see which weapons he leans on and how he chooses to attack the Buccaneers on Sunday.

Chandon Sullivan having an outstanding season

There were a lot of Packer fans this offseason, myself included, who were hoping the team would bring back Tramon Williams to maintain some depth. Williams had a fine season last year at 36 years of age, and was showing no signs of deteriorating.

The Packers opted not to bring back Williams, which opened the door for Chandon Sullivan to become the team’s primary nickel/slot corner after an impressive 2019 season.

So far, he has not disappointed.

Sullivan has been reliable in coverage, has made a couple of splash plays, has gotten involved in run defense and has generally been effective all over the field. He’s proven to be a remarkable value to the Packers at just a $750,000 salary.

The former undrafted free agent will be an exclusive rights free agent (ERFA) this offseason yet again, so the Packers can offer him a one-year contract at the league minimum and he won’t be able to negotiate with other teams. But after that, if he keeps playing at the level he has been, he’s going to be in serious discussions for a long-term deal with the Packers, especially if the team ends up having to let Kevin King walk in free agency this offseason.

Pretty outstanding results from a guy the Packers took a flyer on and probably didn’t even expect to make the final 53 in 2019.

Wisconsin Beer of the Week

I’ve been a big fan of the increasingly popular milkshake IPA style. For the uninitiated, it’s a style of IPA that uses lactose sugar (like you’d see in a milk stout, for example) to give it a bit more thickness and sweetness. This is a style that’s done fantastically by Eagle Park Brewing Company here in Milwaukee where I live, but has really started to spread in popularity throughout the country. 

While out at the liquor store the other day I ran across this brew by The Brewing Projekt out of Eau Claire called “Resist MIlkshake IPA.” The can advertises a creamsicle flavor, and let me tell you, they’re not lying. From the picture, you can tell that this thing looks like a thick glass of orange juice, and it tastes very much like a hoppy orange creamsicle. 

I don’t get out to western Wisconsin very often and thus am not quite as familiar with The Brewing Projekt’s work as I am with a lot of the other breweries I’ve featured in this space so far, but from the little I’ve had (both this beer, and a couple I’ve had on tap at local bars in the pre-COVID times) I’ve been impressed. 

Craft breweries are thriving in large urban areas, but it’s awesome to see other areas also have some really high-quality breweries of their own to cherish, whether it’s Amherst (Central Waters), Sheboygan (Three Sheeps), Plover (O’so) or Eau Claire (Brewing Projekt). 

2020 has been the year of the milkshake beer--the style is rapidly increasing in popularity. I’m seeing more and more varieties on the shelves at Woodman’s and at liquor stores, not to mention being sold directly by breweries themselves. Gotta say, I’m a big fan.

A horrifying thought

As we watch the numbers of COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations around the state of Wisconsin continue to rise with no signs of slowing down, particularly around the Fox Cities and Green Bay, I’m left with a bit of a horrifying/saddening thought:

What if this is finally the year the Aaron Rodgers-led Packers get to host the NFC Championship game, only for there to be no fans allowed in the stands?

We never should have had to be in this position in the first place. Had appropriate steps been taken and if people could be trusted to be smart and act in the interest of everyone as a whole, we could very well have had fans in stands all over the league by now.

But the smart money at this point is on Packers fans not being allowed back into Lambeau until at least the start of the 2021 season, and it’s a shame. This is an extremely special team, one that has legitimate championship aspirations, and it’s unfortunate that there are likely some all-time great franchise moments ahead that fans won’t be able to witness in person. There’ll be no “I was there” stories, nothing to add to the Lambeau mystique.

It’s a damn shame. But here we are.

Around the NFC North

As always, it’s time to take a brief look at what the rest of the NFC North accomplished (or failed to accomplish) over the weekend’s action.

The CHICAGO BEARS had their biggest win of their surprising 4-1 start so far when they took down the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on a short week in Chicago. The short week certainly helped give the Bears a bit of an advantage here, but the Bears’ defense also managed to keep the Buccaneers very well in check on offense. It’s still hard to foresee the Bears being a legitimate contender with how bad their offense is, and with Nick Foles playing mediocre-at-best ball at the quarterback position, but you can’t sneeze at a 4-1 start. The Bears are what their record is, and they owe apologies to no one.

The DETROIT LIONS had their bye week along with the Packers, so it’s a relatively quiet week coming out of Detroit. After an embarrassing blown lead to the Saints, the Lions will travel to Jacksonville and will need to start winning games immediately if they’re to salvage their season. Otherwise, Matt Patricia could well find himself becoming the next coach to get canned this season.

The MINNESOTA VIKINGS had a classic Vikings game on Sunday night, building up a 13-0 lead, then blowing it, then managing to take the lead back late in the fourth quarter before inevitably blowing it again in the final seconds. The Vikings are now 1-4, and given the history of 1-4 teams in the NFL, they have a near-impossible task ahead of them if they are to make the postseason. Only eight teams have accomplished that feat since the NFL went to a 16-game schedule (most recently the 2018 Colts). Their season is now on life support, and one has to wonder what the fallout will be. Make no mistake--this is still a dangerous team when they actually turn it on, and they’ll probably give the Packers a run for their money in a couple weeks, but they can just about kiss the postseason goodbye.

Buck and Aikman are great, deal with it!

The Packers get the national 3:25 PM game this weekend, and with it they get Fox’s A-team of Joe Buck and Troy Aikman for the first time this year.

Of course, when this subject was raised on Twitter, there are all kinds of people coming out of the woodwork to complain about Buck, Aikman or both. 

For the life of me, I’ll never understand the hate. I don’t think there are many people at all in the business better than Buck, who has significantly improved over the last two decades and who has a hilarious dry sense of humor. 

Buck comes from the Pat Summerall school of announcing, in which you let the moments speak for themselves. While he’s not quite as understated as Pat was, he knows when to add to the drama and when to let the sport make its own impression. There aren’t many better than him at walking that fine line.

There are a lot of people who accuse Aikman of having pro-Cowboys or anti-Packers bias, but I’m sorry, I just don’t see it. While there are certainly better booth analysts than Aikman, he does a fine job, diagrams plays well, is a good counter to Buck and, in my opinion, any claims of bias are vastly overblown with him (and basically any other announcer ever accused of bias against [insert team]). 

Buck and Aikman are only in their 50s, and will be doing this for plenty of years to come still. And I wouldn’t have it any other way.

Holy shit, look at these mozzarella sticks

As an avid reader of Milwaukee Record, I’m frequently tickled by some of the features they put up on their website, showcasing all things Milwaukee (and Wisconsin). I follow those fine folks on Instagram, and today was alerted to a new article about some massive freakin’ mozzarella sticks located at a pizzeria (inside a Jamaican restaurant) in West Allis.

Here’s the article detailing these gigantic cheese monstrosities from Alphonso’s, lovingly dubbed “Lightning Rods.” Check these bad boys out.

That’s right, these mozzarella sticks are about a foot long and just over two inches in diameter. Good lord.

I plan on making a trip out to ‘Stallis at some point soon just to get a glimpse of these behemoths for myself. Here’s some information from Milwaukee Record if you’re in the MKE area and want to give ‘em a try:

“According to the restaurant, they’re made fresh and from scratch every day. Because they’re prepared daily and kitchen space is limited at the moment, Alphonso’s runs out of Lightning Rods pretty quickly. Because of those factors, the restaurant limits customers to only two Lightning Rods per order (or four if a pizza is also ordered).”

See the article for a humorous series of Lighting Rods alongside some truly Wisconsin trinkets.

Week five quick forecast

The Bucs are capable of scoring points, and the Packers’ defense is certainly more than capable of giving them up. Ultimately, the Packers’ ability to win will hinge on their offense’s ability to remain a powerhouse even against a top flight defense.

If the Packers put up yet another set of offensive fireworks, it’s a sign that there will be very few teams that can hope to slow down this offense. 

Tampa has been extremely inconsistent on offense, and they turn the ball over, both of which are things you can’t say about the Packers. Even against a tough defense, I like LaFleur’s offense under the MVP-caliber guidance of Aaron Rodgers to pick up a hard-earned win in Tampa. With this win, the Packers stake their claim as the team to beat in the NFC.

Packers 31, Bucs 20

 

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Tim Backes is a lifelong Packer fan and a contributor to CheeseheadTV. Follow him on Twitter @timbackes for his Packer takes, random musings and Untappd beer check-ins.

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mnbadger's picture

October 15, 2020 at 06:13 am

Thanks again for the article Tim. A cautionary note about the milkshake IPA for diabetics, yes they're rich and delicious, but carb count (which isn't listed) is extremely high. As always, enjoy in moderation. Pack 37-27. GPG

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Bure9620's picture

October 15, 2020 at 06:33 am

Having lived in New England for a while now, I have not tried any of the Wisconsin craft brews though we have incredible beer here, I reccomend

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Stone Face Full clip IPA
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Veridian IPA
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October 15, 2020 at 08:12 am

I agree with you that Joe Buck is one of the best, but am not so much of an Aikman fan. I found him to be a bit of a Cowboy homer in his early years although he has become better at masking his Cowboy DNA as he has gained experience as a broadcaster. To the author: You may never have heard Aikman refer to the Cowboys as "we" when he covered Dallas games, but I did on several occasions early n his career. I also have heard him say "When I was with the Cowboys........" on many occasions. This is a factual reference, but most broadcasters learn to say "When I played in the League......." as a less homerish version of their bona fides. Small things, but Aikman earned his status as a homer for the Cowboys at least early in his career.

If he stays away from Cowboy references I find him to be a decent color man, but not the best.

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October 15, 2020 at 08:17 am

I don't like this duo, but mostly because I have never cared for Joe Buck. He's overexposed, and his attitude is smarmy and exudes "I'm doing you a favor by calling this game for you". It's a good thing that he's gotten better over the years because if it weren't for the fact his dad was a legend, he very possibly wouldn't be anywhere close to calling the profile games he's calling now. As for Aikman, he's very knowledgeable and does a good job with QB play and the passing game in general. If you ask me, I think he's pro ARod. He comes off as disinterested at times and lacks energy, from my perspective. I like most of CBS's teams better than these two.

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October 15, 2020 at 08:28 am

I've never thought Aikman was anti-Packer and he is certainly knowledgeable as you would expect from a QB who played the game as long as he did. As stated above, Aikman has learned as a broadcaster and is much better about his Cowboy heritage than he used to be.

Interesting take on Buck. I always liked Buck and thought he did a good job. Different strokes for different folks I guess. I am okay with this broadcast duo at this stage in their careers.

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October 15, 2020 at 08:29 am

Double post.

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Coldworld's picture

October 15, 2020 at 09:41 am

Compared to the dreadful ESPN offering, I will take these two every time.

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October 16, 2020 at 08:48 am

give me Larravee, McCarren and Tauscher or give me death! GPG

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Lphill's picture

October 15, 2020 at 08:33 am

I don't see why Lambeau won't allow a few thousand fans per game, spaced out , monitor bathroom use and sanitize frequently , people have contact at Costco or Sams club , the super market etc, other teams are doing it , of course make masks mandatory.

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October 15, 2020 at 11:40 am

How do you decide who gets in to the game? Yes you could get fans in there safely but you're also going to piss off a lot of season ticket holders. I don't care if fans are allowed in or not because the ungodly price of a ticket would be far out of anything I could afford. If I was the Packers I would offer the box office seating. They're enclosed and have private bathrooms and already ridiculously expensive.

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October 15, 2020 at 09:00 pm

Most season ticket holders opted OUT for this season. Let the curve slow down on this pathogen and take it seriously. This is the reality, not a roadside attraction from cheap network television or the Truman show.

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October 15, 2020 at 08:46 am

double

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dobber's picture

October 15, 2020 at 08:51 am

There's a glitch in the system right now...

...and something's up with the website, too.

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PeteK's picture

October 15, 2020 at 08:36 am

Hoppy orange creamsicle flavored beer? That would not go well with my burger or anything else, hahaha! Vea is a force in the middle and his absence should help our run game. Key to the game will once again hinge on stopping the run as Ronald Mcdonald Jones is a good back. A good test for the middle of our D with Clark back and Keke coming into his own. Pack 34-24

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October 15, 2020 at 08:50 am

DOINK!!

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October 15, 2020 at 10:32 am

I don't like Aikman, but that's because he was a Cowboy, and I don't like them on principle. I have no problems with Buck. Yes, they're a good announcing crew.

RE: Masks: I'm sorry to get political, but if you look at Europe (outside of Sweden), they're blowing up like the south did in the summer and NYC in the spring, and mask compliance there is literally all over the place. Highest in the world in France and they've got a mess. Lower in Netherlands and Belgium and they're bad but not as bad as France. Look, the plain fact is that we just don't know what makes this virus ticks enough to suppress it to the point of extinction. Perhaps it's impossible. The genie got out of the bottle in Wuhan in January, and it wasn't going to be stopped.

My point: When did we get from flattening the curve in March and move towards suppression in May? The two are VERY different goals. Further, if you notice, the virus is blowing up in N. America in the upper midwest and great plains right now - pretty much the only places that hadn't seen a surge in the lower 48. What that means regarding any type of herd immunity or mitigation strategies, I don't know. With the speed that hypothesis become facts in epidemiology, we're going to know in years, not months. I will say that the "we can stop this thing if we hang together" logic seems specious to me. That doesn't mean that I'm going to bars or not wearing a mask. The cost of doing those things, or avoiding them, is low. To me. And it can't hurt. It DOES hurt those business owners. As a musician, this pandemic SUCKS and I really resent the gov't telling people not to patronize my business based on what seems to be clearly specious logic.

Regarding a much more fun topic: The Packers. The thing that worries me is Evans if he plays and King doesn't. And Ronald Jones. We're going to put up points I think.

Pack 28- TB 24

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PeteK's picture

October 15, 2020 at 10:20 am

TEAM WORK, everybody wear masks so that we don't have to shut the country down and to minimize the spread. Why is that such a difficult task.

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October 15, 2020 at 07:55 pm

First of all, I'm no conspiracy theorist, and I'm not a Trump voter. So just in case... please don't lump me there. Second, I already said I wear a mask when out and about and am social distancing almost 100% of the time - except when it's necessary for me not to, and then I'm getting out of that situation as quick as possible. I wash my hands like a madman etc... It's certainly not hurting me and it does help lower infection. What I have a problem with is the shutdowns. Plain and simple.

Second, to answer your question (if you really wanted an answer): Put simply, SARS-COV-2 epidemiological science isn't developed yet. The recommendations from the WHO and CDC and other governmental agencies have changed 5000 times over since February with this thing. Which is completely normal for epidemiology. Now, the science is better now than it was in February, but Fauci and Birks would tell you we still don't really know what we're up against and we won't until years after the fact. This is just how epidemiology works. It took 10 years to figure out MERS. SARS-COV-2 has more money behind it because it's a bigger problem, but we won't KNOW what we're up against until years after its gone - either from a vaccine or some type of herd immunity. We. Just. Don't. Know.

Just one example out of many available: Sweden hasn't been wearing masks for months. Sweden hasn't been shut down. Gatherings under 50 haven't ever been banned. Look at the percentage of their economic retraction compared to ours. Now, look at their mortality and infection rate. Looks strikingly similar no? You could even compare it to Norway.... very similar genetically to Swedes and a very similar infection rate and only a slightly higher death rate on the whole, despite Norway being shut down like NYC still is.

Further, someone telling me (and literally thousands of my friends) that I can't work in my field for months/years, while a banker or a Facebook employee faces no consequences financially for working from home, while my friends are having to sell their best way to make a living (their instruments) so they can eat and have a roof over their head: this is complete bull shit and has long been unsustainable. For example, my wife has had to leave her preferred field that she is trained in and work in a job she hates so we don't lose our house. Any port in a storm and all, and we're thankful that we have work in this mess. But still. The. Way. We've. Handled. This. Has. Been. Bull. And no, I don't mean that from the MSM point of view.

Either the gov't needs to completely or close to completely replace the income of those businesses who are being forced to close. And they have better have a really compelling reason (i.e. proven or very close to it) to selectively shut down businesses, or the government needs to accept that casualties from the genie that has been let out of the bottle are going to occur, and those who are vulnerable need to be protected, and recompensed. While the rest of the economy gets along as close to normal as possible.

The government has done neither because it's politically expensive for it to do so. Instead, it's settled on conspiracy theories from 45 and his supporters, and bleating shaming with a healthy dose of condescension from the left. Both suck.

So once again, I tell you to ask yourself: when did the MSM narrative switch from "flatten the curve" to "suppression," and how quiet was that transition? Doesn't that disturb you? It should.

That's it. Out.

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October 15, 2020 at 02:07 pm

You started out with a little dig on the president and then for the most part
I was thinking, I couldn't have said it better myself. But then you just couldn't help yourself from saying "it's settled on conspiracy theories from 45 and his supporters". And you wonder why people with opposing veiws think the other sides are assholes and can't have a conversation.

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October 15, 2020 at 07:51 pm

If you notice, I called team blue shameful and told them they look down their noses at people who disagree with them just one sentence later... my politics would be best summed up as: "A Pox on All Your Houses."

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 15, 2020 at 09:04 pm

Nobody else but the red cult spout asinine babble and irrational lies from the Q portal.

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October 15, 2020 at 06:08 pm

I was agreeing with you and adding in a bit of my own feeling. Blogging can be a victim of semantics.

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October 15, 2020 at 08:50 am

Chandon Sullivan--unless there's a serious injury, the Packers are going to pay this guy. It's not going to be this coming off-season because they just won't be able to afford it, but it will be soon. He's a key part of this defense.

Tampa--tough game coming. This defense isn't SF from last season, but it profiles in many of the same ways. It's older (SF's front 7 last season was still pretty young), but has the big bodies who can push the pocket at DE and a very good OLB rush from JPP. Vea was an immovable object in the middle...I wouldn't be surprised to see the Packers try to run more inside zone with him gone. Chicago was able to give themselves a chance to win by not abandoning their run game...Packers will need the same. Tampa's DL controls the LOS and they get after the QB from all over the defense...they bring safeties a lot. High pressure rate...they're going to try to get after #12 this week and pressure the Packers off their offensive game.

Detroit--living in MI and watching MI sports media, you can stick a fork in Matt Patricia. He's done. I don't think he gets canned mid-season, but when he goes, Bob Quinn will go with him...with a new leader in the owner's booth, they'll make a clean start, which might include dealing Stafford. While this team has a winnable stretch coming up and they can score, it's not a consistent group and their defense is just bad. Same problems as 2019: can't get a stop, they get gashed on the ground, can't rush the passer. Their record might be inflated by their ability to win a track meet or two against other bad teams, but this is a 4-6 win team.

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October 15, 2020 at 09:54 am

Great points on Sullivan and the Tampa D.

Sullivan needed to play to develop. Once you spot young affordable talent you have to develop it. That as much as Cap this year is why Sullivan is back and Williams is not.

I confess I’ve not watched in detail every game, but my impression is that their D hasn’t really been stretched by offenses able to attack all areas of the back field. Forced to focus on the box they looked vulnerable elsewhere and had Chicago been a better offense it could have been much more salutary. I really think this would be a great game to blood Dillon early and create a genuine threat to hold them in the box without pounding Jones to death. Use 2 back sets and get them behind the deep receivers in space.

If Patricia is really done I can’t say he doesn’t deserve it, but is he not a symptom? To my mind the problem starts with owner and GM. Ironic that the best coach they have had recently, Caldwell, only looks better over time and may be the best in season option out there. Not that I’d go back there were I him.

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October 16, 2020 at 09:11 pm

thanks for getting us back on the football track!

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October 15, 2020 at 09:20 am

Neither Aikman nor Buck will ever be as good as Tony Romo is now.

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October 15, 2020 at 09:24 am

And it's hard to hate him - even though he was a Cowboy...

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October 15, 2020 at 09:05 pm

He's a Wisconsin guy.

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Razer's picture

October 15, 2020 at 10:54 am

I do like Romo and I like the way he works with Jim Nance

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mnbadger's picture

October 16, 2020 at 09:13 pm

Nance seems to have lost a step. He randomly shouts at the oddest time. Watch him closely and you'll see it.

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October 15, 2020 at 09:38 am

That was a big win in New Orleans.

As for Tampa, their defense does present a challenge but our offense will be a challenge for their defense as well. I’m looking forward to seeing MLFs game plan coming off a bye week. Hopefully we have worked on our short yardage and Red Zone Offense during the bye week.

On defense we need to stop their run game and get pressure up the middle on Brady. I hope that we see improved tackling as we come out of our bye week.

Tampa has been hurting themselves with turnovers and penalties. If we can keep clean of both on our side that will give us another edge against them.

I like the Pack 33-17. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since ‘61

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October 15, 2020 at 09:08 pm

David and White make for the best ILB combo in football, but the corners can be taken and their D line is a bit long in the tooth. This is a game plan LeFleur may want to wear them down with long drives.

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October 15, 2020 at 10:53 am

Love the ramble and the variety Tim. The beer can caught my eye and I knew you had something important to say. Agree with you on the Buck-Aikman take. Aikman tends to run on a bit but they give an honest account of the action.

As for the Packers-Bucs, I think this weekend will be a good test. My gut tells me that the Packers are more of a finesse team who have benefitted from a compressed off-season. Having a hard time mustering much faith for this defense - yet again. I do like that the offense is embracing LaFleur's scheme. I especially like that Aaron Rodgers is amplifying the scheme and showing his talent once more. I am still not convinced that the right side of the O-line is very good. We will see what a good defense and a good D-line has to say about the O-line and our offense.

Go Packers

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October 15, 2020 at 11:45 am

I drink free beer, cheap beer, and Pabst. No fancy schmancy beer for this guy.

According to the CDC, 85% of people with Covid wore the mask always or nearly always. At some point, people are going to realize that they don’t work and that they contribute to health problems.

Sullivan has been a nice addition.

Tampa, at 3-2, needs this win more than we do. I think we’re a better team, but this is a tough game for us to win.

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jurp's picture

October 15, 2020 at 03:46 pm

Masks protect OTHER PEOPLE from you, not the other way around. So - if someone wearing a mask gets covid, there's a really good chance they got it from either touching a surface with the virus on it OR from someone who was NOT WEARING A MASK.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 16, 2020 at 10:49 am

You do not have the right to force me to protect you.

So if you touch a surface, that gives you Covid? Or do you actually have to stick it into your body? And if masks work, and you are wearing one, how do you catch it from someone who isn’t?

Read this carefully and think: Nobody makes you sick. You make yourself sick.

Freedom of choice. Wear a mask to protect yourself if you wish, but you have no right to force me to protect you.

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WMA's picture

October 15, 2020 at 04:56 pm

jurp is correct. Masks help a little in protecting you from the virus but not much - unless you have N95 or similar mask. Masks worn by a carrier of the virus is how masks work. You wear the mask to protect others. Since there is a number of carriers of the virus with no symptoms one does not know if they are a carrier or not - WEAR A MASK TO PROTECT OTHERS.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 16, 2020 at 10:52 am

Jurp is not correct. Neither are you. If I’m allergic to bees, can I force my neighbor to get rid of his flowers to protect me?

Look at Sweden. Learn.

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October 16, 2020 at 09:17 pm

the mask doesn't protect the person wearing it, it protects people near them. It keeps the spittle inside instead of launching it. If everybody wears one, there's no spittle, thus far less transmission, period.

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October 16, 2020 at 09:27 pm

So I suppose we can force people to take the vaccine, even if they don’t want to, using that same logic.

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CJ Bauckham's picture

October 15, 2020 at 01:29 pm

Thanks, I'll be dreaming of those mozzarella sticks for weeks now

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CoachDino's picture

October 15, 2020 at 05:54 pm

Dude, stay out of Politics. Did you see what its done for other entertainment outlets? Blame is 100% on China period. Arguing what side of the aisle would be better is a mute point and certainly not one for a football website.

I'm not hating on Chad sullivan, I see the positives but he is absolutely terrible against the run. He is rated as the worst run defender at CB with over 60 snaps. It's one of the reason Tramon wasn't resigned as he was terrible against the run. That said any NFL/Football evaluator will take a coverage CB over a run CB any day. So props to Chad but he's not all that, plus he has a very low snap count compared to other slot corners, like all stats in order to hold weight (confidence level) you need appropriate # of data points. So hopefully his run game improves and his coverage grade remains.

So I don't disagree per se but just wanted give the full / both sides of the story.

ps - It would be foolish IMO, to pay Sullivan anything more than they have too. I seriously doubt the Packers or any NFL team would do that. If he turns out to be a, value over contract, SLOT corner they will sign him "in season" before his FA eligibility year for cap and contract value advantages.

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TXCHEESE's picture

October 16, 2020 at 10:17 am

Geez, I think I gained two pounds, just looking at the pics. Brady throws another pick six. GB 38 TB 28.

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