Hello Wisconsin: All Wins are Good Wins, Part II
Gritty, pretty, it don't matter. A win is a win.
By TimBackes

Last week, the title of this column was “All Wins are Good Wins.” We were coming out of a victory over the Cincinnati Bengals that didn’t exactly inspire confidence in the team among a portion of the fanbase, but my point was that we’ve already seen countless examples this season of teams struggling to win games they “should” win. Every win should be considered valuable.
Well, this past weekend, the Green Bay Packers traveled to Arizona and defeated the Cardinals after trailing the vast majority of the game and having quite a few difficulties in all phases of the game. But in the end, they were victorious, improving their record to 4-1-1, giving them the best record in the conference.
There were certainly some understandable frustrations with the team. The offense managed to put up only six points in the first half, and that includes relying on an untested kicker to boot a franchise-record 61 yarder. Matt LaFleur seemed unwilling to take the cap off his offense, and the offense itself struggled to gain traction. The special teams was doing Packer special teams things. There were far too many mistakes.
But let’s look at the game from another lens as well. The Packers have, in recent years, struggled with trips out west. Here, they had a long trip that included a five-hour delay on the tarmac before they even took off, which almost certainly took them out of their typical routine. They have multiple key players out with injury or playing with injury. They were playing a team that, while on a losing streak, has played everyone close and lost those four games by a combined nine points.
Despite all these factors and a first half full of miscues, the Packers rallied to a hard-fought victory on the backs of great late play by Jordan Love and Micah Parsons.
The Parsons explosion was especially important. With three sacks on the day and numerous other pressures, Parsons looked every bit the part of a franchise-altering player. He was the most valuable player on the field on Sunday; there’s a pretty decent chance the Packers do not win that game without him.
Right now, the only team that looks consistently strong is one that nobody would have ever predicted to be in this position before the season started: the Indianapolis Colts. Every other upper-tier team in the league has had some pretty “yikes” moments throughout the season so far.
Here are the facts:
- The Packers are 4-1-1
- Their wins include dominant performances over two preseason contenders, as well as nail-biters against lesser competition
- Their loss was inexcusably bad and their tie created more room for doubt in their defense
- They have the best record in the NFC at this point of the season (for whatever that’s worth)
- Their quarterback has only turned the ball over twice after having done so multiple times more frequently in the first halves of the 2023 and 2024 seasons
- Their defense has been good more often than it has not
- Their offense has been good more often than it has not
- There is still plenty of room for improvement across the board
All of these things are true about the Packers in this moment. The team will continue to grow and improve throughout the season (or at least, one would hope), and it’s really not until after Thanksgiving that you can start to say with any certainty who or what a team is–and even then, it’s not always the case.
There were a lot of “sky is falling” takes on my social media throughout the game, but I think it’s important to gain some perspective. At the moment, nobody’s running away with the league. The Packers are in as good a position as anyone else, and until we get proof otherwise, they’re capable of beating anyone at any time.
Wisconsin Beer of the Week

I’ve been really vibing with the fall flavors in beer lately; Oktoberfests, brown ales, pumpkin beers, barrel aged scotch ales. Here’s one that features some fall flavors with a bit more fruit and sourness.
Young Blood Beer Company based out of Madison has been featured in this space a number of times. They’re known for their ridiculous beer names (usually pop culture references) and their fruited sours. This particular beer, Umami or Ooo-Daddy, is an apple pie inspired sour with apple, graham cracker, cinnamon, and vanilla umami. It’s got a very pleasant sour apple flavor that is right at home with fall, and comes in at a hefty nine percent ABV. This came as a surprise to me, because it goes down very, very smoothly and feels fairly light.
It’s not a beer for everyone; there are certainly traditionalists who cannot do the fruit or the sour stuff. But if you’re interested in trying something new, it’s certainly one I’d recommend for the season.
Young Blood’s distribution tends to cover the majority of Wisconsin, so you should be able to find it (or other beers by them) at your local liquor store. I picked mine up at Woodman’s!
Okay, let’s talk about the other guy
I’ve generally tried to avoid using this column to talk about Aaron Rodgers since he left the team except for when it was clearly relevant to other things happening with the team or in a historical context. In fact, I think I’ve barely mentioned him at all so far this season.
But now, the Packers will see Rodgers as an opponent for the first time since he left the team after the 2022 season, and, quite understandably, there’s a lot of focus on that particular storyline heading into this game.
Frankly, to me, this isn’t a “Favre playing the Packers with the Vikings” story. I don’t even necessarily see it as THE story of the game; I’m more interested in how the Packers are continuing to evolve as a team that ostensibly has championship aspirations this season. But sure, there’s definitely some intrigue in watching Rodgers play AGAINST the green and gold, even if the game isn’t at Lambeau Field (what a shame, too).
Rodgers has played pretty well so far this season in helping the Steelers to a 4-2 start. He’s got a 68.6 completion percentage, putting him over his career average. He’s got 14 touchdowns, putting him on pace to throw 39 this season. He’s also got five interceptions, so he’s on pace for 14 of those. His yards per attempt is the best it’s been since his 2021 MVP season, and his 105 rating is well over his ratings for his last two complete seasons he’s played.
So yes, Rodgers is playing the best football he’s played since leaving Green Bay. Part of that is the coaching and the stability of the franchise. Part of that is the players he’s got to throw to. I mean, it’s hard not to see leaving the Jets as a massive upgrade.
Clearly Rodgers is not yet “washed,” as the kids would say. He may turn 42 in December, but he’s still capable of playing at a pretty high level, even if he’s no longer the top 5 player he was perennially for the majority of his career.
As for what is most intriguing about his first matchup with the Packers, there’s really not all that much. It’s been three years since he left, and most of the team now only knows Jordan Love as the team’s quarterback and leader. Even a guy like Romeo Doubs, who did catch passes from Rodgers, has had three times as much football with Love. Most of the team’s most important players were either playing elsewhere or not in the league yet when Rodgers last carried the G.
The question becomes, then, exactly how much is Rodgers going to be able to give the Steelers when it comes to Matt LaFleur’s offense? Sure, Rodgers and LaFleur know each other well, but the offense has had to understandably shift quite a bit in the transition from Rodgers to Love. While there are many of the same concepts, Rodgers and Love are different players with different strengths, and the composition of the offense also influences the different game plans and concepts the Packers are likely to throw out.
The defense is a completely different animal from the last time Rodgers saw it up close, so there’s not really a whole lot of insight he’ll have there–at least no more than he’d have with any other opponent that you’d only see once every few years.
With the game being played in Pittsburgh, a team that is not at all a rival of the Packers, the atmosphere will be absolutely nothing like it would in Green Bay, or like it was when the Packers played Favre for the first time. So while there might be a lot of cameras on Rodgers and a lot of storylines played out in the media, we’re unlikely to see much of that translate into the actual atmosphere of the game. For the vast majority of these guys, it’s really just another football game. And that’s even true for most of the home fans.
All this is a long way of saying yes, there is SOME intrigue in the Rodgers/Packers matchup, but I certainly don’t expect a whole lot in the way of a unique game atmosphere. Rodgers will likely come out with a chip on his shoulder. There will almost certainly be respectful interactions between Rodgers and Love and Rodgers and LaFleur. But don’t expect any melodrama.
If anything, it’s one last time for Packer fans to see Rodgers up close before he hangs it up for good.
The elusive takeaway makes an appearance
The Packers have been one of the league’s worst teams this year when it comes to taking the ball away from its opponents. However, a takeaway finally manifested itself on Sunday, and it may have been a key difference maker in the game.
In the second half, the Cardinals appeared to be driving, and Evan Williams had just given up a critical pass interference penalty. Suddenly, though, Rashan Gary managed to force a fumble that was recovered by none other than Williams. The Packers got the ball with good field position, and their fortunes began to turn.
In a game that ended up being separated by a single score, it’s hard to overstate the impact that one turnover could have. The Cardinals appeared to be picking up offensive momentum and could have taken that drive down to the endzone.
This is a defense that managed to take the ball away quite frequently at the start of last season. Remember that insane streak of interceptions by Xavier McKinney? Yeah, he’s only got one this season on what was essentially an arm punt.
The Packers are going to have to find ways to continue to create those takeaways on defense, because it takes the pressure off the rest of the defense, and also helps to shorten the field for the offense. Takeaways tend to come in bunches; once a team starts playing with the confidence that they will create those takeaways, you start to see them happening more frequently.
Around the NFC North
As always, it’s time to go around the NFC North.
- The CHICAGO BEARS have won four games in a row for the first time since 2018 (the season Mitch Trubisky took them to the playoffs and they lost on the “double doink”), and suddenly there’s a lot more positivity in Chicago. Has Ben Johnson really transformed the Bears into NOT a laughingstock? Well, it’s still too early to say, but they certainly have a favorable schedule the next few weeks (Baltimore, Cincinnati, NY Giants). There’s a legitimate chance this team could get up to a seven-game winning streak. Wouldn’t that be something? I still don’t see the Bears as a playoff team, but stranger things have happened.
- The DETROIT LIONS responded to their loss against Kansas City with a convincing victory against the Buccaneers, who had been starting to get a lot of attention as an upstart team with an MVP contender quarterback (with a great story to boot). The Bucs never really managed to threaten the Lions at Ford Field, and this once again has the look of a team that’s going to be a tough out by the time January football arrives.
- The MINNESOTA VIKINGS had a tough outing against the defending champion Eagles, and have alternated wins and losses the entire season so far. History then would indicate they’re on track for a victory against the Chargers, but this is a road game against a pretty solid Charger team. With the Bears having really picked it up this season, the Vikings need as many wins as they can get to keep pace in a crowded NFC North. However, their next two games (at Chargers, at Detroit) are going to be tough. There’s a chance the Vikings are going to be struggling for their lives before Thanksgiving.
Mr. Backes’s “This or That”
Every day I put a different “this or that” poll up on my whiteboard and have students leave tallies throughout the day. I then compile this information and post it here for laughs.
Here’s what we’ve seen over the last week (only had a couple days of school due to a short fall break after conferences):
- Fridays off defeated Mondays off
- Bernie the Brewer and Bango the Buck TIED... which is ridiculous to me, because all Bernie does is go down a slide!
Week 8 NFL Picks
It’ll be a long week of hype, but the Packers are simply a better team than the Steelers. While playing on the road in primetime is tough, especially in a place like Pittsburgh, the Packers will get the win and prevent Aaron Rodgers from becoming the fifth player to defeat all 32 teams.
Other games:
CHARGERS over Vikings
FALCONS over Dolphins
RAVENS over Bears
BENGALS over Jets
BILLS over Panthers
TEXANS over 49ers
PATRIOTS over Browns
EAGLES over Giants
BUCS over Saints
COLTS over Titans
COWBOYS over Broncos
PACKERS over Steelers
CHIEFS over Commanders
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Tim Backes is a lifelong Packer fan and a contributor to CheeseheadTV. Follow him on Twitter @timbackes for his Packer takes, random musings and Untappd beer check-ins.
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Comments (67)
T7Steve
October 23, 2025 at 06:38 am
"We were coming out of a victory over the Cincinnati Bengals that didn’t exactly inspire confidence". Say what you want about the Bengals win, but how did they do last week? That helps to put it in perspective.
The Lions will be a tough out on Thanksgiving. Does anyone remember it ever being an easy game?
If Chicago strings together a couple more wins their fans will become unbearable. As if they weren't always.
I could easily see 3 teams coming out of the North this season (too early to say) but it better not be because we didn't win our division matchups. No accepting 50-50 or less this season. Time to put the big boy pants on and regain our rightful position.
Edit: Tell the kids it's better to have Monday off this week so that they can watch the Packer game Sunday night without losing sleep.
dobber
October 23, 2025 at 07:42 am
"The Lions will be a tough out on Thanksgiving. Does anyone remember it ever being an easy game?"
Two years ago the Packers went into DET on Thanksgiving and thumped the Lions. Goff was bad and the Packer rolled through their defense for possession after possession in the first half.
"If Chicago strings together a couple more wins"
Their defense is still bad. Their offense is still inconsistent.
Remember that last year they were 4-2 at this juncture and lost like 10 straight after that...those were not all good teams that beat them. Those next 4 games feature 3 on the road and a home game against the Giants who have looked much better of late. They could easily lose these next four. If Lamar Jackson plays on Sunday--and I think he will--a Baltimore team that's desperate for a win will thump the Bears.
T7Steve
October 23, 2025 at 07:51 am
Yes. I also remember one a few years ago that started at 10:00 or 10:30 AM my time and having a beer every score made me fall asleep in the middle of Thanksgiving dinner. Still get reminded about that occasionally. I was just meaning that no matter how bad they were, you always got their best on Thanksgiving.
As far as my Chicago comment, I apologize, as I was just trying to work in "unbearable" somewhere.
LambeauPlain
October 23, 2025 at 08:00 am
Bares have won 4 in a row primarily because of the OL play and defense getting turnovers. And when the D gives the ball back to the Offense, I sadly was impressed with how cohesive the OL does play...seems all 5 are on the same page, knowing where to plow the road...and very stout pass blocking.
Turnovers and solid OL play. Two elusive attributes missing for the Packers...so far.
mrtundra
October 23, 2025 at 06:42 am
I like to see Minnesota, in the NFC-North cellar. 0-2 ,the next two games, would make me happy!
Guam
October 23, 2025 at 07:57 am
This is an important game for the Packers and not because of Rodgers. The Packers are 1-1-1 on the road this season despite not playing a single team with a winning record. The Steelers are 4-2 and leading the AFC North. This will be a tough game for the Pack and they need to establish that they can beat a good team on the road. I am a little surprised they are favored. They will need to play a more complete game on both sides of the ball to win in Pittsburgh.
murf7777
October 23, 2025 at 08:30 am
Aren’t they all important? I’d say this game is lessor in importance than many others for these reasons. It’s the AFC and an away game. Here is my list of most important to least regarding winning the game.
North Division
Home games
NFC
Away games
AFC
Guam
October 23, 2025 at 09:03 am
Fair point about it being an AFC game, but Super Bowl contending teams win on the road. Packers haven't resoundingly demonstrated that capacity so far. If the Packers truly believe they are a top tier team, they need to win road games like this. Six games into the season I view this game as an indicator of Packer aspirations.
LambeauPlain
October 23, 2025 at 08:04 am
"Here are the facts:" was a good list, Tim. One more needs to be added...
Inconsistent, ragged, mistake prone STs...glaring mistakes often occurring during critical game moments.
murf7777
October 23, 2025 at 08:11 am
I have to wonder, is it the lack of turnovers that is keeping this team from being dominate? As you stated Tim, we have our worts, but we’re not far away from this team being very, very good to great. Hopefully, we get healthier, especially in the OL and DL and get better each game as the year progresses.
I agree, why isn’t this game in Green Bay! A travesty.
LambeauPlain
October 23, 2025 at 08:38 am
Turnovers are the great equalizer in every game. Win the turnover battle and odds of winning go up appreciably.
Leatherhead
October 23, 2025 at 09:31 am
Pittsburgh has had two games where they had two turnovers, and they lost them both.
27 points might be enough, but 35 would be almost a sure thing. The offense needs to show up. Tomlin is a real coach, Rodgers is real QB, Metcalf is a real receiver. Rodgers will be up for this game, and I'd be surprised if we held them to 24 or less....they've hit 30+ twice already.
TXCHEESE
October 23, 2025 at 08:12 am
All wins are good wins...couldn't agree more. The only time I don't enjoy a win thoroughly is if Injuries pile up during the game. Otherwise it's a "W" in the ledger and that's all that matters.
Gonna wear the White Outs this Sunday. Love those uniforms!
Agree with other posters here and other sites. Green Bay is the better team. Limit the mistake and avoid the turnovers, and they should win. GPG
Starrbrite
October 23, 2025 at 02:09 pm
I really like the whiteout uniforms too. Wish they a some more yellow on the helmet.
Leatherhead
October 23, 2025 at 08:33 am
No such thing as an ugly baby or a bad win.
Let’s see if we can win 3 out of the next 4.
T7Steve
October 23, 2025 at 08:46 am
Start getting the O-line dialed in so Jacobs can get going. as it's starting to get healthy (er) and try to better that 3-4 run. Like the Bears, O-line and run game travel well. No crowd noise false starts will be a good start.
dobber
October 23, 2025 at 10:46 am
I've seen some pretty unfortunate-looking babies.
Spock
October 24, 2025 at 03:20 am
I've seen more ugly babies then "cute" ones. I've always thought that expression was ridiculous.
Coldworld
October 23, 2025 at 08:34 am
A win is a win in terms of sealing a playoff space. However the mantra is deluding beyond that. Once one qualifies playing the way we are wont cut it. Yes, that’s the time to peak, but to do so requires things to change, something we’ve often not managed under LaFleur even against teams we previously played in the regular season.
"We'll get back to the film room and find ways to be better, but we for damn sure can't do this against good teams, because it's not going to work. I think the guys know that. Yeah, we're happy about the win, but we've got to be a lot better."
Xavier McKinney. He’s right, the win absolves everything mantra is a trap and a route to an eventual early end to the season. Apologies for mediocrity again are not what this year is about and I hope LaFleur grasps that.
Leatherhead
October 23, 2025 at 09:32 am
Only you could be unhappy with the best record in the conference while simultaneously throwing shade on one of the winningest coaches of all time.
NFLfan
October 23, 2025 at 10:22 am
I think CW has the majority vote on this one.
Bitternotsour
October 23, 2025 at 10:27 am
yes, there is an active confederacy of dunces - your so-called majority
Coldworld
October 23, 2025 at 10:39 am
"Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.” Euripides
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.” Charles Darwin
dobber
October 23, 2025 at 10:47 am
"AUUUUUUUGGGHHHH!!!"
Charlie Brown
barutanseijin
October 23, 2025 at 04:03 pm
Such arrogance on a football board. Sheesh. Everyone’s smarter than the coaches and anyone else in the Green Bay football operation.
Coldworld
October 23, 2025 at 04:45 pm
I simply gave back what you threw out. Now you call that arrogance. What a pot you are to accuse the kettle.
barutanseijin
October 23, 2025 at 05:26 pm
You’re just the humble guy who always knows better than anyone else. Now with quotes!
stockholder
November 04, 2025 at 06:04 am
Not True - And I'll help you with the Quotes-
1. "The fool doth think he is wise, but the wiseman knows himself to be a fool.
2. "If you think you know it all, you really know nothing,"
Leatherhead
October 23, 2025 at 11:18 am
I'd consider that a premature evaluation.
Bitternotsour
October 23, 2025 at 11:49 am
you remembered!
Leatherhead
October 23, 2025 at 11:19 am
.....
What kind of idiot downvotes a deleted duplicate post?
Coldworld
October 23, 2025 at 10:29 am
Record is nice but a record at this point in the season doesn’t mean much more than making the playoffs. That’s not an acceptable goal post Parsons and “urgency”. What matters is whether the team is playing effective, efficient and disciplined football and learning from its mistakes before the real competition starts. Right now we are not.
Worry about other teams is futile, whether they are winning or losing is the wrong way to look at football or anything else. It’s the winning ones we are going to play when the competition really matters. Preening ourselves on wins where we know we didn’t play well is self delusiory, as McKinney bluntly stated.
Come back to me with such platitudes when these coaches have actually won something meaningful other than a division where 3 teams sucked as at the end of the teens. It’s time to show we can meet our potential not excuse not realizing it.
Leatherhead
October 23, 2025 at 11:26 am
Do you apply that standard to Bud Grant, Chuck Knox, Marty Schottenheimer, Jeff Fisher, Marv Levy, Steve Owens? You know, several of those guys are in the HOF, which is where LaFleur is going to be IF he wins a Super Bowl.
The Great Dan Campbell hasn't won anything meaningful other than a division where 3 teams sucked. Did you know that?
It's a long time before the playoffs, but I see you're already shoveling dirt on the team.
Coldworld
October 23, 2025 at 11:35 am
I don’t apply hindsight preemptively, if that is what you imply. If this team starts to deliver on its potential then that is what we all hope for. The difference is that I acknowledge that it isn’t playing at that level now while you just look for reasons to discount the in field performance issues. LaFleur has to win to join them. Thus far he hasn’t meaningfully.
Bitternotsour
October 23, 2025 at 11:53 am
lotta negativity for a third of the season while the team sits as the number one seed.
not knowing your history or age, i'd say it's a carryover from Wisconsin Scandinavian predestination Protestantism. (but I only say that because that's where mine originates)
Coldworld
October 23, 2025 at 04:46 pm
You’d be wrong on that too then. In the end it’s up to LaFleur to prove he can get his offense (directly) and the other phases humming. Theres always a chance, but there is no refuting the fact that they have not been thus far.
Packerpasty
October 23, 2025 at 07:04 pm
I dont have much confidence in MLF getting this team deep into the playoffs...I think he probably should for his own sake, with Policy looking over the team and its success....MLF is a mediocre coach I dont care what his Win loss record is...
NFLfan
October 23, 2025 at 05:37 pm
NM
Leatherhead
October 23, 2025 at 12:40 pm
So,the Packers have never delivered on their potential under LaFleur.?
I think that's nuts, personally.
I hope the Packers win the Super Bowl, because it'll be interesting to watch you explain how this happens with a coach who is no good, assistant coaches who are no good, and players who are no good (because Gutekunst doesn't know what he's doing).
NFLfan
October 23, 2025 at 05:40 pm
.
Starrbrite
October 23, 2025 at 02:12 pm
I recall in 1978 when Starr’s team started 6-0. We were all a little nervous and even Bart said we haven’t proven anything yet.
LambeauPlain
October 23, 2025 at 08:43 am
Wyatt is back at practice and Watson states his plan and goal is to play Sunday night.
Two more factors to improve the Packers' odds. Wyatt rotating with Wooden and Brooks will factor huge in the pass defense and help the DBs. And Watson is the true "X" factor on offense.
dobber
October 23, 2025 at 10:51 am
Wyatt and his penetration makes a difference the run D as well.
Coldworld
October 23, 2025 at 11:38 am
Wyatt has been good in run play as well as penetration this year. That’s a massive step forward for him and the team this year. One that hasn’t been noted enough I think. If Brooks could take a similar step then we might really be in a good position.
LambeauPlain
October 23, 2025 at 01:11 pm
Brooks showed improvement last Sunday...good to see because I am pulling for him...he's got nice quickness and strength. He had a sublime swim move on Sunday on Parson's 2nd or 3rd sack...he arrived at the QB a fraction of a second after Parson's takedown.
Starrbrite
October 23, 2025 at 02:13 pm
I like it Lambeau.
J-Rome
October 23, 2025 at 09:46 am
The Packers haven't won in Pittsburgh in over 50 years, and Rodgers is playing well. This is going to be a tough game. Rodgers is playing within himself and not trying to do hero things as much. I watched his " Enigma" documentary and all I could think about was he seems to like playing the victim. He isn't giving off that vibe any more and it seems like his mindset has really improved his game. I want to see him do well, just not against the Packers. The Steelers haven't been great against the run. All the talk is about the QBs but if we can control the game with Jacobs, i think thats how we win.
T7Steve
October 23, 2025 at 09:55 am
Maybe it looks like he's playing better, but he probably has a better coach and O-line. Tends to make a QBs look better. Look how Justin Fields and Wilson looked and competed last season and look what's happening now (at least to Fields on the Jets) without O-line support. The Giants have improved their Line play or the rookie QB is helping them to look better. If Rodgers was still on the Jets with that O-line, would he be looking as good?
J-Rome
October 23, 2025 at 02:00 pm
No doubt a better offensive line makes a huge difference. However, he’s playing more in rhythm now. Hes not trying to extend every play. He’s using the middle of the field more. He’s not prime Aaron Rodgers, but he’s playing within the skill set he still has. I don’t think he did that his last year in Green Bay.
T7Steve
October 23, 2025 at 02:31 pm
Yes. It takes an O-line you have faith in to be able to play in rhythm. As I've only watched a couple parts of his games this season, I'll take your word for his playing. Think the coaching HC or OC had anything to do with it?
J-Rome
October 23, 2025 at 05:46 pm
Possibly? I mean, every OC has said they tailor their system to Rodgers. If Pittsburgh sat down with him and said we want you to improvise less, get the ball out faster, and throw to the tight ends more and he agreed then that OC deserves credit. It’s just not the way Rodgers has played historically, but I do think it’s more in line with what he can do well at this point in his career.
TheBigCat
October 23, 2025 at 10:11 am
Tim: Again, another very informative perspective that put me in a good mood with these Packers. And assuming you use that same approach in the classroom, you are a very good teacher.
I think this upcoming game could be called the Ego Bowl: a contest between Rodgers and MFL on who can be "the smartest person on the field." Both will be taking unnecessary chances to one-up the other. Has the makings of an exciting disaster.
T7Steve
October 23, 2025 at 10:23 am
I didn't think of the "one-upmanship" thing. Rodgers: "See what you would've had if I'd a receiver after Adams?". MLF: "See what would have happened if you'd run the plays I called?"
NFLfan
October 23, 2025 at 10:28 am
I think Tomlin and Rodger's new spouse have settled him down-no more McAfee, Ayahuasca, over-the-top attention-seeking.
However, if Rodgers needs any motivation, it will be visualizing Gutekunst, whom I think he still dislikes vey much.
T7Steve
October 23, 2025 at 10:35 am
Why do you think he dislikes Gute? What have you heard? I can't think of any reason other than drafting Love and that was years ago.
NFLfan
October 23, 2025 at 10:46 am
Rodgers wanted Gute fired. When he finally returned for mandatory mini-camp, he gave a lengthy talk about how the GB FO (Gutekunst) was dismissive of pivotal players. He didn't like the way there was little ackowledgement of Jordy Nelson and other prominent players when they were let go. There were issues with how Gute handled Davante Adams. (yes, GB finally matched the Raiders offer but it was at the 11th hour). There were issues with how Gute handled the Rasul Douglas departure. Rasul said Gute called him and said 'you're traded and hung up' Rasul thought it was a prank call and Mark Murphy had to call back and do some damage control.
LambeauPlain
October 23, 2025 at 11:33 am
^^ All narratives with no evidence.
Adams mentioned the fickleness of Rodgers retire/trade musings as a primary reason for going to Oakland and play with his College QB and very good friend who Devante said was more a SB QB now vs Rodgers. That had to sting #12.
The matching offer from Gutey was quickly rebuffed by Adams because money was not Adams' motivation for moving on.
Rodgers complaining about players past their prime leaving was all emotion and not logical. At the time it seemed more about him justifying his camp hold out. And then that was the end to that whining.
Both Jordy and CMIII were out of football soon after leaving the Packers. Gutey gave Rodgers a declining buddy Cobb...how'd that work for Mr. Rodgers?
I am sure Rodgers completely despised the $millions and extensions provided by Gutey and the Packers. He was paid to play QB...he knows that even when his ego takes control.
T7Steve
October 23, 2025 at 01:17 pm
I thought Jordy and CMIII were before Gute so my clock is off. I guess Thompson got them and Gute took over when the time came.
NFLfan
October 23, 2025 at 11:04 am
The only person who benefits from 'sloppy wins' is Mr. LaFleur. He can justify his retention by saying he is the 'winningest' coach. (in pre-season)
CJBauckham
October 23, 2025 at 11:13 am
Mondays off is better.
Starrbrite
October 23, 2025 at 02:21 pm
It seems I’m one of the few who still reveres ARod. I know he’s somewhat kooky, but he’s the best QB I’ve ever witnessed.
I believe the Steelers and Packers are historically very similar franchises. Tomlin is a good coach, but the Packers I believe are better—we’ll know soon.
I like the beer can you posted, would prefer a darker looking beer.
The Vikings are in trouble.
The Lions caught Mayfield when he looked like Farve in a bad day. I believe we match up well with the Lions.
The bears are trending up but they’ll struggle to make the playoffs.
Go Packers!!!
Coldworld
October 23, 2025 at 04:53 pm
Mayfield took bad Favre and amplified it as much as the good Favre he channeled the prior week. He’s just not as good a Favre, that’s the issue.
I do not hate Rodgers the player at all. I say that having no doubt that getting out of that contract through the Jets trade was a wonderful escape. The time had just come (not just financially) where the paths needed to diverge.
I hope he has a good season. I hope we win this game. I hope by most of all that we apply some learned lessons and play smart, disciplined football for 4 quarters. That is what we need even more than a win against an AFC team. The Steelers match up well against us in many ways, particularly against our D despite us being, I think, a stronger roster overall.
It won’t be easy, but Rodgers being there is not a major factor in my interest in how this game turns out, just a chance to see if we can avoid being outsmarted by another veteran QB and our own errors.
Starrbrite
October 23, 2025 at 05:48 pm
An excellent summary CW—agree.
Joster11
October 23, 2025 at 02:43 pm
“Bernie the Brewer and Bango Buck tied…which is ridiculous because all Bernie does is slide.”
At least Bernie slides. What does Bango do?
TimBackes
October 23, 2025 at 06:15 pm
Bango does all kinds of flips and dunks and tumbling! You should look up some YouTube vids. pretty impressive mascot work.
Joster11
October 23, 2025 at 06:54 pm
Okay, I get it. Can he also slam a beer like Bakhtiari? Then, he gets my vote. LOL
NFLfan
October 23, 2025 at 05:55 pm
Wyatt will be not always be available. He was out 3 games last year and required snap counts following each for a game or two.