Heated Battle Coming for Wide Receivers at Packers Training Camp

A diverse group of young receivers is set to battle for roster spots at wide receiver for the Packers.

As we sit in the lull of the NFL dead zone at the end of June, the rumbling of the pads can be heard in the not too distant future with players reporting for training camp in exactly four weeks.  As the anticipation builds for the team to hit the practice field at the end of July, there are many positional battles to look forward to during the Packers 2018 training camp.

While the cornerback and offensive line groups are sure to be competitive and intriguing, the battle that I’m most looking forward to is between the wide receivers.  Looking back to just a year ago at this time, so much has changed with the group of receivers that will be heading into training camp.  Familiar and proven faces have moved elsewhere and a group of new players will join a few incumbents to fight for the last few spots on the roster.  And with a group of young and hungry defensive backs in camp as well, the wide receiver group will surely be tested on a regular basis.

With the departures of the beloved Jordy Nelson and fan favorite Jeff Janis, Davante Adams steps into the role as the number one wide receiver among the unit.  His big payday at the end of the 2017 season would confirm that as well.  Having gone through struggles during his first couple of years in the league, Adams has slowly proven that he deserves the shot to be main man catching passes from Aaron Rodgers.

The other known commodity and lock for the team is veteran Randall Cobb.  While speculation was running rampant during the offseason that Cobb could potentially be traded or cut from the team, the Packers are sticking with him as their main slot receiver.  Cobb has proven time and time again that he is a solid and reliable weapon for Rodgers and will continue to be into the 2018 season.

Behind these top two veterans, the door is certainly wide open for any of the remaining eight receivers currently on the 90-man roster to make the final roster and make an impact on the success of the 2018 Green Bay Packers.  Rodgers requires a trust factor with his receivers and the building of that trust has already started with some of the guys on the roster and will be created once camp opens up.   

The top incumbent and probably the man best positioned for the number three role is Geronimo Allison.  After coming to the team as an undrafted free agent in 2016, Allison showed a knack for making plays right away when he was thrown into the lineup as a rookie.  He continued making plays with Rodgers under center early in the 2017 season, highlighted by a 72-yard overtime reception against the Bengals to set up the game-winning field goal. 

The final experienced piece of the wide receiver group heading into training camp is Trevor Davis.  Entering his third year with the team after being drafted in the fifth round of the 2016 draft, Davis has primarily handled punt return duties for the team while not catching on as a trusted wide receiver.  Having plenty of speed on a small frame, Davis is truly a wild card on the squad and his future with the team may depend on how he further develops as a receiver in camp this summer.

Next in line come the two second-year receivers in Michael Clark and DeAngelo Yancey.  Yancey was drafted in the fifth round of 2017 and Clark joined the team as an undrafted free agent.  Both players spent last year on the practice squad with Clark being called up to the active roster in December to see action in the final two games of the season.  With both having spent a year in the system and Clark being a raw, freak of nature prospect, each receiver possesses the tools to potentially turn heads this summer.

The trio of 2018 draft picks in J’Mon Moore, Equanimeous St. Brown and Marquez Valdes-Scantling will add another dynamic to the training camp battle for wide receiver positions as well.  Each of the three men brings a unique set of skills to the team and will up the competition level in the wide receiver room come the end of July.

To round out the 10 guys entering training camp, Jake Kumerow will enter training camp with his third NFL team since coming out of UW-Whitewater in 2015 with the Cincinnati Bengals.  Kumerow also spent time on the New England Patriots practice squad prior to signing with Green Bay.  Kumerow comes from a strong line of NFL blood with his father Eric having played for a few years in the league after being a first-round draft pick and being cousins with Joey and Nick Bosa. 

How the final roster plays out among the wide receiver corps will hinge on their performance during training camp and the preseason.  The Packers traditionally keep anywhere between five and seven wide receivers on their 53-man roster to start the season so a handful of spots are truly up for grabs.  Aside from Adams and Cobb, the battle for the number three spot and beyond will come down to the best man for the job where the talent will need to rise to the top.

Going back to the trust factor that Aaron requires of his receivers, I would expect the coaching staff to rotate these receivers heavily in reps with the first team during training camp to see where chemistry develops early.  I certainly won’t be making any projections on the depth chart this early, but this group should be fun to watch throughout training camp.  This has all the makings of a young group that will push each other to become better each and every day with all of them knowing that the receivers that lock up spots on the final roster have the chance to put up great numbers with Rodgers leading the offense.

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Ryan Brunner is an avid Packers fan hailing from Chippewa Falls, WI.  He is a firm believer that punters are NFL players too!  Follow him on Twitter @brunwardo

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Hematite's picture

June 27, 2018 at 06:19 am

Adams, one concussion away from the disabled list.
Cobb, injury prone.
After them, a lot of question marks.
Pretty scary in my humble opinion.

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Rak43's picture

June 27, 2018 at 06:33 am

Every player in the league is one concussion away from the disabled list in truth. I think Allison easily grabs the number 3 WR job if he stays healthy. That play against Cincinnati was my favorite play of last season. While he may not be a speedster he is big and agile with good short area quickness and would make a very good possession receiver who can pick up yds after the catch with his running ability, ala Ed McCaffrey type. And above all else he has Rodgers confidence and trust.

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dblbogey's picture

June 27, 2018 at 03:07 pm

Hematite is too upatite.

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pooch's picture

June 27, 2018 at 07:02 pm

How you get 6 dislikes is beyond me,your post is reality and will probably happen

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DD's picture

June 28, 2018 at 01:03 pm

Hematite: You're 100% right. Cobb is already down and won't get timing reps with Rodgers! Adam's, is don't get hit in the head, which is highly unlikely. So receivers? I'm nervous too, big time.

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PAPackerbacker's picture

June 27, 2018 at 06:27 am

It will be a fun battle to watch for the #3 receiver and the talented rookies have a good chance to make an immediate impact and even step up and become the 3rd receiver. It will also be interesting to see the competition at WR just to make a roster spot because injuries will surely be a factor as the season progresses and the Packers need a WR corp that can be counted on to step in and fill the #3 receiver spot at any given time. The talent is there. Development is the key to success and strength and conditioning is a vital piece of the puzzle. Getting hurt and not having the opportunity to showcase your skills could determine who gets cut and who makes the team.

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Rak43's picture

June 27, 2018 at 06:32 am

Of the rookies I think J'mon Moore will see the field the fastest and develop Rodgers trust first.

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pooch's picture

June 27, 2018 at 07:04 pm

Wow so your stating injuries and 1st poster said same and got 6 dislikes what a bunch of crap this blog is

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NickPerry's picture

June 27, 2018 at 06:46 am

As much as I'd love to see a rookie WR make a big difference I just don't see it happening, at least not at the level we might hope for. If Moore, St. Brown or anyone else were able to catch 50 or 60 balls that would be great...But with the "Trust Thing" Rodgers demands it's unlikely.

I'm all for bringing in either Eric Decker or Maclin. I think they could be had for fairly cheap and would offer great insurance for a Cobb or Adams injury, at least for a few games. Maybe we wait and see who else might be available but IMO we need a veteran WR added. Gute has done a great job so far, lets keep it going.

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porupack's picture

June 27, 2018 at 10:43 am

No to bringing in another vet when the packers have brought in great prospects with size, speed and athleticism. Any new FA will only displace a draft pick.
Have faith in the coaches to get the rookies to perform. Afterall, Rodgers can make everyone around him better (as frequently stated on this site) and that includes receivers, I guess.

Some fans on this site can't figure out whether to cut a vet (Cobb) for a rookie, or cut rookies for FAs.

I like the WR corps this year much better than past 5 years. I like Cobb and Adams as the experienced vets; a couple moderate experience, and lots of potential in rookies. Play the rookies and do the second part of the Draft-N-Develop philosophy, and fans stop fretting so soon after a strong cadre of prospects.

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NickPerry's picture

June 27, 2018 at 04:08 pm

Hey I like em too but when was the last time you saw a rookie WR produce in GB?I mean all that sounds good but the chances of it actually happening is remote.

I mean if it was going to be as simple as coaching I would have imagined we would have seen it by now under this staff.

Moore only lined up on one side of the formation, the NFL will be a HUGE adjustment and Moore is one of my favorite picks

Scantling...I admit, I know NOTHING about him except he didn't really kill it in College either.

St. Brown... One of my all time day 3 draft picks by GB but still raw as hell.

I hope your right but...

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porupack's picture

June 28, 2018 at 08:28 am

I just believe in developing talent at my job and people rise to the occasion if a) you select and screen for certain traits/character, b) you have good mentoring/accountability and c) you challenge/trust and put your charge in demanding situations.

Regarding the argument frequently posted here in various forms something like; 'how many rookies make an impact'.....
Is it because the offense is so complicated? Yes partly true. Or
Is it because there are too few opportunities to give them game-time reps if coaches are conservative and prefer sticking in their vets at game time?

Necessity pushes new talent, and the growth curve is accelerated. So just because there are few examples of rookies making impact, it may reflect a general conservativism or preference for the 'known quantity' of vets, even if those vets have low upside compared to rookie with high upside.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 28, 2018 at 10:10 pm

I love your post, JS. I think MM has to let back-ups get some snaps even if there is no injury. Too many players don't get a chance on a rotational basis so we don't find out what they can do. Or worse, they get thrown into the fire without enough quality snaps/experience. Same issue on defense though perhaps to a lesser extent.

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pooch's picture

June 27, 2018 at 07:07 pm

Bring in Dev rookie recievers gave never had an impact

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Savage57's picture

June 27, 2018 at 07:02 am

If I never have to hear or read 'Aaron Rodgers' and 'trust' in the same sentence, it'll be too soon.

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dobber's picture

June 27, 2018 at 08:17 am

I trust in Aaron Rodgers.

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stockholder's picture

June 27, 2018 at 10:13 am

He's made my China Doll list. Olivia Munn might disagree with you.

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dobber's picture

June 28, 2018 at 08:06 am

I just don't buy the China doll thing. He's had some leg injuries, but has played through them and at a high level--hasn't cost him time. In 2014, he might have played BETTER with that calf injury than he was playing before he got hurt. Aside from two collarbones--contact injuries, not crappy little nagging issues or recurring injuries--he's missed two games in his career. He's a gamer. He's tough. He's a leader...and as we all understand, a bit of a prima donna.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 28, 2018 at 10:21 am

AR gets taken out of context because he is allergic to using simple declarative sentences.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 28, 2018 at 10:12 pm

Well done. Hard to get more simple or declarative than that.

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stockholder's picture

June 27, 2018 at 07:07 am

I miss Janis already. We need a Gunner. Allison is Boykin. Davis is Jeremy Ross. Clark is a TE. Yancey-is Jared Abbedarus. Damn right we needed to draft Mooooooooore.

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RCPackerFan's picture

June 27, 2018 at 07:11 am

Under McCarthy the last however many years the offense has revolved around Rodgers and his WR's. With only 2 veteran WR's, its clear that the offense will not be solely focused on the WR's. With the trio of proven veteran TE's, the young versatile trio of RB's and a new coordinator the offense is definitely going to be a different look in 2018. Which should help the fact that the young WR's are not proven.

Assuming Adams and Cobb stay healthy, right now the number 3 job is Allison's to lose. While he should be the number 3 there is a realistic chance he doesn't even make the 53. I would say the chances are lower, but still a chance. The quality of players at the position has really increased.

With Davis looking to earn more playing time, entering his 3rd year the light might go on and he could become the player the Packers hoped for. He is a little bit of the forgotten man with all the taller WR's we have now.

Next Clark and Yancey spent most of the season on the PS. They basically redshirted for the year. Clark received some playing time late in the year and that could prove more valuable then anything. With a full offseason of work, he maybe ready for a bigger role. Yancey was said to have lost some weight. If he is more explosive he could also factor in.

Then we have the trio of rookies. Each one brings good to great size. Moore probably will be the highest on the depth chart at least to start. But Valdes-Scantling and St. Brown both could make a strong push.

I just know that this training camp/preseason is going to be a lot of fun to watch. These young tall WR's are very exciting. They now have 3 WR's 6'4+. They also have 2 that are 6'3. The height at the position will really be noticeable.

Right now I would guess they will keep 6-7 WR's. (probably 6). So after Adams/Cobb that leaves 4-5 positions open. Allison, Davis, Clark, Yancey, Moore, Valdes-Scantling, St Brown (7 players) all fighting for
their chance. The battle should be fun to watch!

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Bearmeat's picture

June 27, 2018 at 09:21 am

RC,

Look at me (over the internet) and tell me with a straight face that Allison, Yancey and Davis aren't JAGs or worse, and that rookie WRs (especially late round fliers - which is what our rookies are) routinely make meaningful contributions.

You can't.

Unless Clark, or even more unlikely, one of the rooks, makes the hoped for jump, this team will NEED another proven outside option. Preferably one with speed, but I'll take dependable. Cobbs injury already has taught us that. If Davante goes down for any meaningful amount of time, the WR position looks very 2015-like.

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CJ Bauckham's picture

June 27, 2018 at 09:27 am

I can keep a straight face and say Allison isn't just a guy.

...now, I'm biased (I like him), and I think he's just barely over that line (I don't think he's special by any means) but I can do it ;)

I agree with your point though. None of these guys can carry things with Davante gone.

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Bearmeat's picture

June 27, 2018 at 11:27 am

Exactly. We have numbers and potential in the 3 or 4 young guys. But what we don't have is NFL caliber talent in 2018. 19 or 20 will probably be a different story....

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

June 27, 2018 at 11:48 am

1 or 2 of Allison, Davis, Clark, Yancey, Moore, Valdes-Scantling, St Brown is going to step up. There are also the next round of cuts to look through. Some vet is going to get cut for $ reasons and will want a chance to play with Rodgers. Someone like Mike Wallace will be availble if they really need to go there.

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RCPackerFan's picture

June 27, 2018 at 11:53 am

I think Allison is more then JAG. He has shown what he can do as a rookie. Last year was just bad all around with Rodgers injury.
Yancey and Davis I have no idea. They were high enough on Yancey to draft him in the 5th round last year. A year to develop he could be a guy that surprises this year. Will he be running for the #2 WR job, no. I'm talking about all of these guys for depth for the 3rd-6th positions.

I have high hopes for Clark. I think he has some real talent and with a year to learn the nuances he could be a player that might contribute more this year.

Davis, no clue. Perhaps in the new look offense they will find ways to use his speed more. But he could be in danger of losing his spot on the 53.

Honestly though. How much will this offense need a 3rd WR? With Graham and Lewis possibly being starters, the need for a 3rd WR lessons. Also they can do special things with the RB's. Yes they need at least 1-2 other WR's to step up and contribute, but its not like they have to rely on them entirely either.

Yes, if injuries happen that will hurt the position. They are thin with top end talent, but they do have talent at the position. With new coaching, and a new scheme perhaps they will find ways to get the rookies on the field faster to use their talents. I don't want to put a limit on these guys, because we won't know until we see them how ready or not they are.
And if all else fails just let Rodgers throw jump balls to St. Brown and Clark. :)

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dobber's picture

June 27, 2018 at 01:47 pm

...but if Allison needs #12 to make him any more than JAG, what would a #3 WR who really is a little more than JAG do with ARod?

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RCPackerFan's picture

June 28, 2018 at 05:58 am

thats getting deep. :)

But you're absolutely right.

Now I will say though that outside of Adams last year every WR look like JAG with Hundley. Hundley was terrible.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

June 27, 2018 at 09:43 pm

My high hopes for Clark disappeared when he got his playing time at the end of the year. He was absolutely abysmal at dealing with contact-after-the-catch. Every time a DB hit his arms, the ball came out. Maybe it's from years of basketball, where the opposition can't hit and rip at your possession, but it made any high hopes of "jump ball receptions" evaporate.

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pooch's picture

June 27, 2018 at 07:15 pm

Face it we need Dev one concussion away from a disaster

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pooch's picture

June 27, 2018 at 07:15 pm

Face it we need Dev one concussion away from a disaster

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 27, 2018 at 09:37 am

In practice, 4th rounders don't get cut, and it is fairly rare for 5th-rounders. I have Adams and Cobb as locks, and Moore as a very good bet. But maybe due to having so many candidates and a new GM, draft status shouldn't be relied upon as a predictor.

I would suggest that we keep 6 WRs if a couple of candidates have really strong training camps and preseason games, that is, good enough to separate themselves from the others. If there isn't a lot of separation displayed in TC and preseason games, then we might keep 7.

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RCPackerFan's picture

June 27, 2018 at 12:08 pm

Yeah, i agree. Typically they keep 4th rounders and most 5th rounders. But like you said with a new GM we just don't know.

I think we end up with 6. And try to get others on the PS. Only way I see 7 is if they only keep 2 QB's, and to many guys stand out. I'm mostly just saying that they have a chance to keep 7 and it shouldn't be ruled out.

I also think there is a chance they may keep 4 TE's. If both Kendricks and Byrd have big camps and preseason games, they may decide to keep extra TE's. Especially to since they likely will run a lot more 2 TE sets.

The TE position may play into how many WR's they keep.

Its going to be fun to watch for sure!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 27, 2018 at 08:04 pm

I was intrigued by Clark last year based pretty much on his measurables. Being raw can be fixed, but it doesn't look like he has a football mentality. That's what I will be looking for this year.

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RCPackerFan's picture

June 28, 2018 at 05:53 am

The football mentality part is where we need to see the growth. The ability to run routes and adjust routes on the fly.

Like most rookies he was in over his head. But he is unlike most rookies in that he hasn't played football his entire college career. He has a lot to learn. If he continues to grow there he could become a really good player. He has the physical abilities, now its time for the mental side to catch up.

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RCPackerFan's picture

June 28, 2018 at 10:25 am

I really like Rollins. I think most of his problems has been injuries. Also i question how he was being used.

Rollins was really good his rookie year. then he has been injured the last 2 years.

I am actually looking forward to seeing if Rollins can add anything this year. His injury is not an easy one to come back from. But not many people are talking about him. Usually those are the guys that come in and surprise people.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

June 27, 2018 at 08:23 am

The "trust" thing is really about "being where you are supposed to be." Rodgers hates interceptions and being in the wrong spot causes interceptions. I think THAT is what is going to determine the top four WRs. Adams and Cobb are givens. Allison is likely next. The real question is, "Who (of the rest) is going to be in the right place the most often?" The second(+)-year players should have a huge advantage, but that doesn't mean a smart rookie can't pass them. I think Davis, Yancey, and St, Brown are the most likely to "get it," but that's pure conjecture.

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Guam's picture

June 27, 2018 at 08:42 am

Couldn't agree more Savage57. I have grown tired of the "trust thing". Brady, Manning(s) and others have worked well with rookie wide receivers, why can't Rogers? I know he doesn't like to risk interceptions, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and take some chances. Minimizing interceptions during the season is nice, but not the ultimate goal. Trusting rookie wide receivers early will cause some bumps, but the goal is to develop that trust by the postseason and win the Super Bowl.

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Rak43's picture

June 27, 2018 at 01:49 pm

Check some Peyton manning interviews some time, he did not like rookie receivers and he threw to his trusted guys in Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Marvin Harrison, Edgerrin James, the vast majority of the time. Other players did earn his trust just not many rookies. Even Reggie Wayne only caught 27 passes from Manning his rookie year.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

June 27, 2018 at 09:40 am

Deepest group I've ever seen in Green Bay.

If I had my way--and it will assuredly go the complete opposite--we'd opt for a youth, size, and speed overhaul--saving big money and developing big talent.

I'd keep 7 receivers:

1. Adams
2. Montgomery (yep, I'd move him to slot)
3. Kumerow (seriously)
4. J'mon Moore
5. Valdez-Scantling
6. St. Brown
7. Davis (return man), Clark, or Yancey

Instead, we'll blow $9 million cap dollars we could move forward by keeping Cobb, then keep Allison as the "safe" option--even though he only has a year left on his contract and offers little upside. Thus, we'll expose 2 more talented young players to waivers, then lose them like we did Taysum Hill to New Orleans last year.

In other words, we'll do what the Packers do--we'll be stupid.

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dobber's picture

June 27, 2018 at 10:28 am

We'll probably disagree here, too, but let's not conflate bodies with depth at WR. We made this mistake a couple years ago at CB and found out they didn't have it. They have lots of bodies at WR but only 3 of them (Adams, Cobb, Allison) have more than 8 NFL receptions (note that Davis has 8 and leads all the remaining WR)...and Allison only has 35. I'm not listing Monty because he's not a WR right now. As it is, I'd be willing to bet that he's going to out-catch every WR not named Cobb or Adams in 2018 from the RB position, but he's sitting in the RB room now. They have Adams and Cobb as known commodities at WR and they have bodies/potential/hope after that...I just don't see that as depth.

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Bearmeat's picture

June 27, 2018 at 11:36 am

Exxxxactly.

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Archie's picture

June 27, 2018 at 05:24 pm

"We made this mistake a couple years ago at CB and found out they didn't have it."

Except they did have it, we were just too stupid to realize it.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

June 27, 2018 at 10:38 pm

Of the 2 you tout, only Adams is valuable. Cobb can play, but nowhere near his pay grade. Allison is simply not explosive at all, and with him outside a defense can sit on routs and crowd the line better against the run.

Also, Allison only has this year remaining on his contract, so why should we keep him for that one year--when he's below average anyway--and let a young guy with more potential get away? It makes no sense.

Cobb can be productive, but not for his pay, and not dramatically more than Montgomery would be in his spot. It just isn't worth flushing $9 million we could apply toward extensions next year. Not even close.

But hey, Gute will go your way. We'll start Cobb and Allison, Cobb will play injured and sporadic, Allison will put up pedestrian numbers, $9 million will be flushed so we lose a good player next year, and a couple more talented guys with several years of cheap contracts will be dropped and picked up by laughing GM's.

We'll screw this up, and good. I have no doubt whatsoever. This will be completely mismanaged by incompetent McCapers and his toothless GM.

What a joke.

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dobber's picture

June 28, 2018 at 05:19 am

I don't know that I touted anyone. All I did was point out that the WR position has very little that we've seen on the field, making it very difficult to assert that the position is deep. Allison is a JAG. The roster at WR lines up at this point as mostly hope: hope that established players stay healthy, hope that the few remaining vets play well, and hope that the young guys can ramp up fast enough to be useful in 2018. Just not deep.

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Demon's picture

June 27, 2018 at 11:04 am

What has Kumerow shown you to make you think he can make an NFL roster? Big difference between Nfl and Uw Whitewater. I'd rather have Janis back than start over with another small school project whos inactive all 16 games.

Btw I was NEVER a Janis fan!!

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

June 27, 2018 at 10:30 pm

Just a prediction WT, but I think a lot of people will be surprised by Kumerow. I could be wrong, but that's my prediction.

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WKUPackFan's picture

June 28, 2018 at 05:12 am

Peth read some singular, obscure quote about how good Kumerow is and suddenly, in Peth's mind, Kumerow became a star. He'll ride that narrative forever, even if Kumerow does not make the team. That will be blamed on a "toothless GM" whose strings are being pulled by a mythical puppet master.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

June 28, 2018 at 07:57 am

I love WKU's incessant exaggerations with me. "Kumerow became a star." Where did I give him that kind of praise? I just think he's a big, physical receiver with solid speed and good hands, making him a darkhorse surprise to make the team.

If anything, I'm thinking of him as a gunner as much as receiver. He just offers more upside than Allison.

As for our toothless GM, what else do you call the only GM in the league who can't fire coaches or approve contracts? I swear, Gute has less authority than the kid asking which combo meal I want.

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Rak43's picture

June 27, 2018 at 01:45 pm

Have to disagree, the team doesn't need 5 WR with upside more than they need production. Allison has won games for the Packers with TD catches in clutch situations. Not sure why people think that if any player on their teams roster is not a super elite player he needs to be replaced. Cut Allison and let Adams get hurt and you now have without a doubt the worst WR core in the NFL from an experience and production stand point too most likely. They'll have lots of upside for the future though, yeah not a good idea imho.

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dobber's picture

June 27, 2018 at 01:50 pm

"Cut Allison and let Adams get hurt and you now have without a doubt the worst WR core in the NFL from an experience and production stand point too most likely. "

I'd like to edit your statement to...

"Adams gets hurt and you now have the worst WR corps in the NFL."

...the cutting or keeping of Allison likely would make no difference in that statement.

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stockholder's picture

June 27, 2018 at 02:51 pm

No = . Gute drafted 3 WRs for a reason! Why did people want Cobb gone? You still have Monty, and the talk of moving Graham outside. Allison has 4.67 speed. You watched RRodgers outside last year. WRs need separation! Why slow the Team down! As far as big plays, it didn't help Janis. = Why do you think one play will help Allison. The kids must play. And the sooner the better for the offense. How many drops was Devante allowed before he showed improvement. Allison has slowed. This offense will not be a powerhouse until you get new in there. And we already saw the improvements at RB with Rookies.

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Archie's picture

June 27, 2018 at 05:30 pm

WR and RB are vert different positions in terms of time that rooks require to be productive. Maybe Gute is willing to carry 3 rooks and 3 vets at WR but I don't think that will go well. Maybe we will use 2 TE sets a whole lot. Anyway you cut it, we are at the beginning at reconstructing our WR corps, not the end.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

June 27, 2018 at 10:44 pm

Jonathan, cut the exaggerations, 'kay? Allison doesn't do a "fantastic job" of anything, much less finding holes. He was a nobody facing low-level CB's last season, and he still couldn't separate.

Jeez, sometimes I wonder what games people are watching.

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WKUPackFan's picture

June 28, 2018 at 05:01 am

Well, now Jonathan knows what happens when he gives an alt-right wacko a compliment like he did for you on the other thread. Next you'll be calling him a millennial.

No quarter for scum like you who support separating children from their parents, none.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

June 28, 2018 at 07:59 am

Alt-right wacko?

WKU, are you even capable of leaving politics out of a football discussion? Ever?

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

June 27, 2018 at 10:41 pm

Do you honestly think Allison makes catches none of these other younger guys with more years remaining on their contracts can catch? Really?

Of course you do. So you would cut them with the hilarious thought that "we'll just sign them back to the Practice Squad," only to watch laughing GM's greedily snatch them up. New Orleans still hasn't stopped laughing at getting our backup QB last year.

But hey, let's just toss two good talents to the league so we can cling to one year each of overpriced Cobb and below average Allison! Yeah, great plan!

I just don't get this fan base sometimes. I really don't.

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WKUPackFan's picture

June 28, 2018 at 04:37 am

Some of us do not get your unrequited love for a 27 year old UDFA quarterback who played....wait for it....special teams for the Saints. No doubt Mickey Loomis is laughing every day. This is just like all of your other takes. Sean Payton puts out a couple of quotes and, presto, you're all in the tank for Taysom Hill.

By the way, did you carefully review Loomis's contract as part of your conclusion that Gute has less power than any other GM in the league? The answer doesn't matter, you wouldn't understand what you were looking at if you had.

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dobber's picture

June 28, 2018 at 08:00 am

Until Taysom Hill starts a game and plays well, nobody is really taking his claim by the Saints last year as meaning very much. If anyone here thinks that the Packers would have been a SB contender in 2017 if Hill was the backup, then they're imagining things. In the long run, painful as it was to see and as painful as it is for me to admit, last year's finish was better for this team than cobbling together a near miss on the playoffs or an early exit with a physically compromised ARod.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

June 28, 2018 at 08:05 am

Hey, all I'm saying is the Saints were thrilled to snatch him--and they were. From there, it's between him and them what he becomes.

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dobber's picture

June 28, 2018 at 08:13 am

I'll buy that.

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Andrew Lloyd Peth's picture

June 28, 2018 at 08:03 am

Can't hire or fire coaches, can't hire or fire contract negotiator, can't approve or disapprove player contracts...

...yup, that's less power than other GM's. In fact, Gute might have less power than many stadium janitors.

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WKUPackFan's picture

June 28, 2018 at 04:33 pm

Once again, you are exaggerating the situation. You were informed that the only known fact is that Murphy has the power to fire the HC. It is almost certain that every league GM consults with the team owner or President before hiring or firing a HC.

You are one of the people complaining about TT not going over MM's head to fire Capers. Where is your slavish adherence to the chain of command in that situation?

And why are you so opposed to communication between MM, Gute, and Ball? Believe it or not, communication among executives is a good thing. Would you prefer that Gute sign a bunch of players without consulting with the cap expert?

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pooch's picture

June 27, 2018 at 07:17 pm

Dez,

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Ryan Graham's picture

June 27, 2018 at 09:44 am

By no means am I happy to see Cobb miss time, but on the bright side its early enough in the year to where he can recover comfortably and take his time...not to mention his already strong chemistry with Rodgers to find space while Rodgers extends the play. It does open the door for early opportunities for these young guys to build an early connection with Rodgers.

Allison is a guy, hes made some big plays when the team needed it, but I worry about his size and long term. Clark struggled bringing the ball in when he played with Hundley, but maybe he can correct that playing with Rodgers. Davis and Yancey are going to have to really impress in training camp if they want to make the 53 IMO.

The rookies will have to contribute when called upon and on special teams to start their careers, unless someone goes down or one were to surpass Allison and Clark on the depth chart, they will be given the first cracks. I love the idea of playing MVS as a gunner. I see 7 WO making the roster, Adams, Cobb, Allison, Clark, Moore to start. As it stands today I am under the impression that it will be hard to put Davis and Yancey over ESB and MVS because of their potential and what they can bring to the table immediately on special teams and if Adams or Allison to go down. Its all speculation and we obviously have to wait to see how injuries play out and how the competition plays out at camp.

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dobber's picture

June 27, 2018 at 10:30 am

You're right on: I think injuries will have a lot to do with what this group looks like in September. I can't imagine all of them will make it through camp without someone getting significantly dinged up. It cost the "diamond in the rough" Malachi Dupre last year in camp. It's going to bite someone in this group...happens every year.

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Ryan Graham's picture

June 27, 2018 at 12:09 pm

Exactly. I just hope to see the 53 hold the guys with higher ceilings, whom I see as Clark, Moore, MVS and ESB. As RCPackerFan mentioned above I dont think the offense will be run through the recievers so much this year. Jimmy Graham didnt get paid to not make plays, running backs will get plenty of touches on the ground and through the air so I feel as though they can afford to hold onto the younger guys and let Davis and Yancey walk. All this means nothing until camp though.

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Lare's picture

June 27, 2018 at 04:13 pm

With Cobb in a walking boot a month before the start of training camp, I would be very surprised if we see him at all practicing until later in camp. That should leave plenty of reps for the young wide receivers on the roster to start getting acclimated with Rodgers.

As usually happens, the positional pecking order gets established fairly early and rarely changes unless injuries occur. If I had to make an early guess, I'd say Yancey, Clark, Davis and Kumerow would be long shots to make the final roster. Gutekunst didn't draft three WRs this year just to cut them and hope he can sign them to the practice squad.

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Archie's picture

June 27, 2018 at 06:10 pm

"Gutekunst didn't draft three WRs this year just to cut them and hope he can sign them to the practice squad."

Truest words I have read thus far.

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4thand1's picture

June 27, 2018 at 11:43 am

Tony Romo said GB got better than any other team with the signing of Jimmy Graham. With 2 veteran TE's it should make it easier on the WR's. Seem routes and red zone targets are going to keep safties on notice. Beating one on one coverage for the 3rd wide out will be huge.

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Spock's picture

June 27, 2018 at 02:01 pm

4thand1, I agree with your comment with one caveat: the Packers have THREE veteran TE's. Kendrick's seems to be the 'forgotten man' on the TE tree and I actually expect that he and Lewis may get more catches than some of the WR's in the red zone, although I expect Adams and Cobb to be familiar targets for Arod.

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Demon's picture

June 27, 2018 at 11:58 am

Favres first 2 years starting the packers only had 1 good receiver, Sterling Sharpe. Sharpe caught 108 passes in 92 and 112 in 93. Holmgren designed plays to get Sharpe open. FB Harry Sydney, RB 's Vince Workman and Edgar Bennet also TE Jackie Harris filled in the gaps created by not having another quality receiver.

My point is it can be done! AR is surely a better QB at this point than Favre was then. No reason why the Packers cant have a great offense with whomever starts alongside Adams. Its going to take MM and Philbin to open up the playbook and AR to actually throw them the ball.

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Rak43's picture

June 27, 2018 at 02:00 pm

I know I'm in the minority but I really like G-mo and what he brings to the table. From everything I've read about him he's the ultimate student of the game, a real professional. I don't think most understand his talent to be able to come in as an undrafted "rookie" and earn Rodgers trust speaks volumes to me about his desire and focus to be great. He was a rookie 2 years ago and didn't have the benefit of Rodgers in his second season most of the year. I heard all the same things about Davante after year two as well as half the Packer fans who post wanted him cut,lol.He's not fast enough, his upside is limited, he drops too many passes,he's injury prone. This year will be G-Mo's breakout year, I look for him to produce at a high level this year. I expect he'll catch between 50-60 passes and avg about 12yds per for 650-750yds and 7/8 TD's. Book it, you heard it here first.

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CJ Bauckham's picture

June 27, 2018 at 04:08 pm

I'll jump on board this train

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Ryan Graham's picture

June 27, 2018 at 07:21 pm

I disagree Oppy. Although to your sentiment - and you may possibly be right anyway - that would be the Ted Thompson move. I dont see that being the Gute line of thinking. As mentioned by Lare somewhere who was in lock step with my thoughts is BG didnt draft three wide recievers to cut them. What that alone tells me is he sees his recieving depth chart as mediocre. This was a move to revamp the wide reciever corps and try to bring in some fresh talent. We all know Rodgers can make anyone look good, but imagine how good he can make someone look with seriously high talent rather a fistful of UDFAs?

The other thing to consider is these were hand picked guys by Gute while those with a year or more of experience - excluding the obvious in Cobb and Adams - were Thompsons guys. Its possible there could be some favoritism there. Nevertheless, a lot can happen between now and the start of the season.

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Oppy's picture

June 27, 2018 at 01:18 pm

I think the Packers might be close to calling Trevor Davis a lock just based on his punt return prowess. He was exceptional last season, and could be a threat to score on any given punt.

Considering him a WR may only be a formality. He's a return specialist in my eyes, and I seriously wonder if the packers keep him in addition to, rather than as a part of, the traditional WR corps in 2018. Only rare situational use as a WR .. ?

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dobber's picture

June 27, 2018 at 01:48 pm

The legend of Jeff Janis lives on in #11....

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Oppy's picture

June 27, 2018 at 02:16 pm

cringe

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jgando12's picture

June 27, 2018 at 03:57 pm

The rookies will make an impact this season. No doubt about it. Whichever 2, or all three make the roster. They are putting Allison, Clark, Yancey on notice. It's put up or shut up season. MM is on the firing line. No slackers on roster this season. The blue print has been laid. I would not ve surprised if any of those combos run Randall right out of town next season.

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hodge555's picture

June 27, 2018 at 06:46 pm

I have a feeling we'll keep 7 WR's on the 53 this year.
Barring injuries then I predict the following:
Adams and Cobb being 2 obvious starters (with a lot of 2 TE sets).
After that then I think we'll keep Davis (mostly for his returns) & Allison and all 3 drafted WRs in Moore, MVS & ESB.
Clark & Yancey on the PS.
Davis' postition is in doubt though as Jaire might be pressed into PR duties instead.

I'm personally hoping for Donnerson to make the 53 as a gunner but ESB & Moore look to be big, strong and fast so possibilities there.

I know that in college ESB wouldn't play special teams based on advice from his dad. Well this is the pro's and that sort of attitude won't stand so I doubt that will still be an issue. Plus you'll still get paid if you get injured, unlike college. Of course if the attitude does continue then it won't matter how athletic you are, you will get cut and not paid at all.

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Handsback's picture

June 27, 2018 at 07:28 pm

Let's boil this down to a few sentances.....injuries will happen, and trust needs to be established w/ Rodgers.
Will need depth because it's Green Bay and injuries are fact of life. Trust is built at practice and believe it or not....a vet FA doesn't build trust faster than a rookie. So signing a Decker, or Bryant isn't an immediate solution to them having Rodger's trust.
Rookies WRs that have great years are very rare so don't expect a rookie to be a savior. Look for improvements in those 2-3rd year guys like Davis, Yancy, Clark, or Geronimo...they will be making that big jump in performance.
I may be wrong, but my Holiday Inn Express experience says I'm right.

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Chuck Farley's picture

June 27, 2018 at 09:11 pm

how can anyone say with certainty what we have in receiver talent? My two cents is they swung for the fences, threw mud at the wall, hoping something will stick.
I think it will. Not shocked that two of our new guys are very good. Three no, since they won't get enough game time to prove themselves.

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sonomaca's picture

June 27, 2018 at 09:53 pm

Can we please put Montgomery back at receiver!

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Spock's picture

June 28, 2018 at 09:30 am

somomaca, I always scratch my head at why people get hung up on designations for players. They will play where the coaches feel they can best be used. Maybe Ty will be used more at WR than RB. It really doesn't matter what his 'designation' position is except that as a 'designated' RB he may line up (pre-snap) there more often. Ty is a "Swiss army knife" type player (like Hyde was for the defense). He doesn't need to be "put back at receiver" as he can be inserted in the formation that way at any time. There is NO reason to change his designation as WR vs. RB. I expect Graham to be mainly used as a WR; the fact that his designation is TE makes no difference to anything. Ty's designation as a RB is a similar situation. Just my two cents here. Not trying to offend you. :)

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Bure9620's picture

June 27, 2018 at 09:55 pm

I guess I am not freaking out as much as many because;

1) Say what you want but Jimmy Graham IS a WR and will be one of the top options especially in the red zone, and will rarely be attached to the LOS

2) Lewis will be a primary target too, good player not just a blocker

3) This offense will look different, more 12 personnel and also 22 personnel, Monty as a receiver out of the BF.

4) Cobb will be fine

5) More reps in camp for the rooks

6) One of the rookies will surprise, my money is on J'Mon

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Tundraboy's picture

June 27, 2018 at 10:54 pm

At least there's a competition.

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cheesehead1's picture

June 28, 2018 at 12:12 am

Has anyone from Packers management addressed Cobbs injury? All I’ve heard is from a reporter. Why all the secrecy with every injury, the season doesn’t start until Sept.

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Summer_PackerBacker's picture

June 28, 2018 at 12:49 am

I have been reading on here awhile but finally decided to post, I think its important to note that Graham is basically another wide receiver, and surprisingly he hasn't been mentioned much at all in this thread. I believe he is the x-factor, if he plays well out wide (or if we actually play him out wide depending on if we use him wisely or not) I think that makes the no.3 wide receiver a lot less relevant of a conversation than in year's past. Can't have a 2015 repeat when your tight end isn't Richard Rodgers again. And for no particular reason other than gut, optimism, and the success of last year's late running back trio, I feel the rookie receivers will play well early.

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dobber's picture

June 28, 2018 at 05:09 am

Welcome, S_PB!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 28, 2018 at 10:18 am

Welcome, SPB. I haven't made up my own mind just what Graham represents to us. I am not really sold on the notion that he can consistently line up wide. If he is lining up in the slot, he seems redundant. One of Cobb or Graham probably ends up on the line of scrimmage. If I start thinking of Graham as a WR rather than as a TE, then Kendricks/Lewis and Byrd? looks very underwhelming. At the moment, comparing 2018 to 2016 looks like this to me:

2016 Nelson > Adams
2016 Adams > Graham
2016 Cobb = Cobb
2016 Cook > Kendricks or Lewis
2016 Allison = Allison
2016 backups </= to 2018. Hard to be worse.

Obviously, I wasn't a fan of signing Graham, but I hope that is because I haven't really watched a lot of him and what I did see was the result of Seattle misusing him. Cook was a willing blocker (better than sometimes advertised) and it remains to be seen whether Graham is still better as a pure receiver than Cook was.

We should be excellent in the red zone (but then, we were already darn good there), but I am left wondering about moving the ball elsewhere. I think our receiving options were better in 2016 than they are now unless a rookie steps up. Fortunately for my optimism, I like our rookies a lot.

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Duneslick's picture

June 28, 2018 at 10:20 am

One toughest choices is making the decision on whether to keep a player who knows the offense and is a below average player or keep a younger player who his much more athletic and has a much higher ceiling. We let Tayson Hill go last year.
Do we keep Allison over any of the drafted rookie wr's.
Do we keep Donnerson

I am worried about players that go to the practice squad that in 2 months could me much better than the players keep on the roster instead of them.

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Spock's picture

June 28, 2018 at 02:52 pm

The one argument on this thread I have trouble buying into is the "Gute drafted 3 WR's for a reason". A forth rounder, yes. But when you start using that argument on 5th and 6th round players I think they were just the BAP at the time. You could use the same argument "Gute DRAFTED a PUNTER for a reason". Yeah, he did. The punter was the BAP and so he got drafted. That doesn't mean Gute was terribly disappointed in Vogel; it only means a possible upgrade was there in the later rounds. I have high hopes for the later round guys, but I expect they are likely to be on the p.s. as likely as not and I doubt that many GM's on other teams are salivating on who the Packers put on the p.s. If those other GM's were that high on the WR's they could have drafted them themselves. Every year at cut-down time a lot of the Packer fans (as do other team's fan bases) seem to have massive angst over other teams taking "our" guys. Usually, it is not a problem. Let's see how training camp goes first, lol.

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