Gut Reactions: Week 10 vs Detroit

Aaron's gut reactions to the Packers loss to the Detroit Lions. 

  • Without a doubt, this is the most embarrasing regular season loss in Mike McCarthy's tenure. 
  • I still love the Green Bay Packers. The franchise. But the 2015 team is completely lost.
  • And I mean all of them. 
  • Have at it in the comments. I've got nothing. 
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jmac34's picture

November 15, 2015 at 03:50 pm

fuck this team. absolute garbage

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Nerd's picture

November 15, 2015 at 06:20 pm

It's like that scene in SpaceJam, where the aliens steal the basketball players' ability to play, and they suddenly became uncoordinated and couldn't figure out what happened.

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Packatron's picture

November 15, 2015 at 07:04 pm

You lost me at "that scene in Spacejam"

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Bryce Hansen's picture

November 16, 2015 at 08:13 am

This is basically the best description of the packers game that I've read yet.

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vj_ostrowski's picture

November 15, 2015 at 09:58 pm

I agree, strong language and all.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 02:54 am

Go cheer for Lions... Let Packer Nation to themselves... You are to simple and to immature...

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Oppy's picture

November 16, 2015 at 06:32 pm

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.#fairweather

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SpudRapids's picture

November 15, 2015 at 03:51 pm

They gotta get their confidence back... Plain and simple

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TommyG's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:17 pm

Confidence? How do they get that when the star QB might be the worst player on the field?

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SpudRapids's picture

November 15, 2015 at 09:11 pm

You're an idiot

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croatpackfan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 02:57 am

No, he is not an idiot. I do not know what is the problem with Aaron, but he is not playing at the level we are used to see him. I think Packers offense should be better with Scott Tolzien at the moment. To me Aaron looks so uncertain what to do that he misses easy solutions - to remind you on one play he escaped to his left and had 25 - 30 yards of green in front of him, but he did not run, he throw the ball away. It looks records are catching him, he thinks more about stats than about game... But I may be wrong!

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SpudRapids's picture

November 16, 2015 at 09:31 am

Exactly... he's not playing at the level we are used to see him, not the worst play on the field. That is why I called him an idiot. If you really think Rodgers cares more about his stats than winning you are being ridiculous as well.

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Gianich's picture

November 16, 2015 at 10:44 am

HAve you seen the O-line play? Can't open a hole in the run game at all and in crunch time on the most important play of the game, TWO WEEKS IN A ROW, the middle of the line, their "strength" of Sitton, Linsley, and Lang let a free rusher smash Rodgers so he can't step into the throw on the most important throw of the game! It starts up front and the O-line is absolutely terrible!

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Oppy's picture

November 16, 2015 at 06:40 pm

Starks has been running the ball respectably all season long, and Lacy started off the season well. The biggest issue with the run game isn't the O line, it's Lacy playing like garbage and our refusal to call more runs when we could, and our inability to call more runs because we're in the hole and don't have to opportunity to do so from a situational standpoint.

I agree Sitton isn't playing up to his standard this season, but even so he's still better than all but 3 or 4 starting LG's in the league. Lang hasn't played that badly. Bakhtiari is a sub par starter, and not a long term solution at LT in my opinion.. Linsley is having a horrible season, far below the standard of play he set for himself as a rookie. I wonder if he doesn't have an injury we're not privy to. He's been the main culprit in pass pro the last two week specifically.

Lastly, while o line play has not been stellar by any means, a good number of the sacks Rodgers has taken this season are due to him holding the ball far too long. When you hit 4 seconds plus in the pocket with the ball in your hand, that QB takes the lion's share of blame for a sack.

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kparis99's picture

November 16, 2015 at 11:04 am

A thing that has been bothering me is the comment Aaron made about the fan making the racial comment during the moment of silence. It seems like Aaron was trying to defect the focus off his performance, and onto the fans. Making a statement like that, about a single fan in the stands is going to lump all packers fans as racists, and I don’t like it. Aaron’s comments in the past have always seemed very calculated, but this really has me puzzled. It just doesn’t fit.

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WKUPackFan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 12:35 pm

Connecting AR's comment to: a) an attempt to deflect from his performance; and b) selling out every fan in attendance is a huge leap of logic. If the attending fans feel that way they're just a tad over sensitive.

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SpudRapids's picture

November 16, 2015 at 12:47 pm

The media asked him a question about it so he answered... how is that deflection?

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WinUSA's picture

November 17, 2015 at 10:52 am

Rodgers should have been benched....4 weeks of this dribble is more than I can put up with....Huntley could have done no worse.

Where is Olivia...haven't seen her lately...I hate to say it but Rodgers is playing like a man with a broken heart.

McCarthy's inaction is worse than any action he could have taken.

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Hematite's picture

November 16, 2015 at 06:12 am

McCarthy tried to light a fire under his team but all he had was a pocket full of wet matches.

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cuphound's picture

November 15, 2015 at 03:52 pm

The psychological collapse of the offense is astonishing. I wish I could understand the internal dynamics of what is happening in the locker room.

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Nerd's picture

November 15, 2015 at 06:22 pm

Aaron's Yes-Man Tom Clements has taken over the offense, so Aaron doesn't believe he needs to adhere to fundamentals anymore.

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porupack's picture

November 15, 2015 at 10:41 pm

Bigger than that. Its a management collapse including MM, DC and TT. Way bigger than AR, and has to do with lack of schemes and pace.

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Oppy's picture

November 16, 2015 at 06:44 pm

It seems like just last year everyone was sick and tired of MM and DC having too many schemes or utilizing sneaky or specialized schemes to gain advantage instead of just playing straight up old school football... Oh, wait, it WAS just last year. And the year before that. And the year before THAT.

Now everyone's saying it's the lack of schemes that are the issue?

Next thing you know, all the people who called MM's playcalling atrocious and predictable and wanted someone else to call the plays, will be screaming for MM to take over play calling again... Oh, wait....

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 16, 2015 at 10:05 pm

Exactly. The same people wanting McCarthy to give up playcalling are now begging for him to do the playcalling. Some people just have no clue. McCarthy is widely considered one of the better playcallers in the NFL. Same thing w/ Capers. Both are highly respected in NFL circles.

Anyone who thinks McCarthy has lost the team and should be fired is a fool. I lived thru the entire 70's and 80's and want no part of that shitfest ever again. Its not like there are HC in waiting throughout the NFL. Chances are MUCH greater that if McCarthy was let go, we would get a much worse HC, thereby completely wasting the rest of Rodgers career.

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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

November 15, 2015 at 03:52 pm

#waitUntilNextYear

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Beep's picture

November 15, 2015 at 06:14 pm

Just need to figure it out next week for the Vikings and all is well. Vikes 7-2 could very easily become 10-6 with this schedule: vs GB, @ ATL, vs SEA, @ ARI, vs CHI, vs NYG, @ GB.
Get MM to take over play calling, call some quick hitting pass plays to get a rhythm, cut Masthay, and have the D bottle up Petersen.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 07:16 pm

Something definitely needs to change. What it is. I don't know.

The easiest solution is to put McCarthy back as play caller. But is it that simple?
Players need to play better no question, but they definitely need to make some sort of change.

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porupack's picture

November 15, 2015 at 10:43 pm

Bigger than that. Its a management collapse including MM, DC and TT. Way bigger Tom Clements and playcalling, and has to do with lack of schemes, pace, route concepts and preparation. Terribly coached team this whole year. Bad 'management'.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 03:06 am

I think that this is not management issue. It is players execution issue. It is players looking at themselves as better than others and who flies high, falls low and painfull... Team starts to play when it is over. So, it is not schemes or lack of preparation. It is in their heads/minds/thoughts. Aaron trying to take care of records and he is not relaxed. Maybe fan base should tells him now: R-E-L-A-X! When you look at the most of the games this season it is like we scored in the 1st Q, bad playing 2nd and 3rd Q, then excells at 4th Q. Remembering stories about team that playes the best at crunch time? It catch you suddenly. We all come to this season as we already won SB 50. That was and is the problem. We won nothing yet. We still have the chance... One of the most important games are coming next Sunday. That is must win game. Not to win over NFC North, but to stop this L streak and gain some confidence for the rest of the season!

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mrtundra's picture

November 15, 2015 at 09:05 pm

There is so much wrong with this team right now that I do not think one week's worth of practice is enough time to fix things in time for the vikings game. That being said, Perillo was pretty decent today and I would have liked to have seen him targeted in the end zone for that 2 point conversion play. Randall played a good game for us, too. It was nice to see Abbrederis getting some playing time and actually contributing with some nice receptions. I heard Adams missed a few catches, today, but don't know if that were his fault, or not. I feel if the ball hits you in the hands, you should find a way to catch it. I still love the Packers but they are making it hard for their fans to feel good about this season.

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Flow49's picture

November 15, 2015 at 03:52 pm

Luckily the only objects within reach all game for me were pillows... How does it take 3 1/2 quarters for the offense to get it?? Once again the screen pass makes an appearance in the 4th quarter when it should be called in the 1st or 2nd. Watching this offense is infuriating!??!$?

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:04 pm

But they were called throughout the entire game. Are you watching the entire game?

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SpudRapids's picture

November 15, 2015 at 09:13 pm

Drealyn, everyone is doom and gloom, at least the last few weeks you've had some perspective

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nbnazhat@yahoo.co.uk's picture

November 15, 2015 at 03:52 pm

three in a row, who is at fault. I think the offensive coordinator has a lot to answer for. go back to last year system.

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Nerd's picture

November 15, 2015 at 06:24 pm

Edgar Bennett is the OC, and I'd love to see him calling plays. Not only because he's not Aaron's Yes-Man, but because he came up in Holmgren's WCO system, which is based on high percentage passing.

The current Run and Shoot system has never had nearly as much success in the NFL.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 08:20 pm

What you're saying makes a lot of sense.

Honestly if McCarthy doesn't want to do it and Clement isn't good enough to do it, why not see what Bennett could do.

The Packers system worked just fine when they had the personnel to do it. They clearly don't have it to run that system right now. This is where the coaches need to do a better job to adjust their system to its players. Let's face it Rich Rod is not Finley. Finley was the difference maker in that system.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 03:10 am

Last 2 games, Perillo looks like he is that type of TE!

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Hematite's picture

November 16, 2015 at 06:19 am

Because McCarthy is the head coach and he is as stubborn as an old mule.

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bigfog's picture

November 15, 2015 at 03:53 pm

Woah, woah, woah Aaron. You're the guy I look to in times like this to buoy my hopes and make me have some valuable perspective. If I wanted to read this down in the dumps stuff, I'd take to JS Comments and Twitter!

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Wenis's picture

November 15, 2015 at 03:55 pm

Now can open criticism of the entire team be accepted or will the homerism still run rampant. No longer can you put up with apathy in the form of "Well, we are 6-2 only losing to two undefeated teams on the road." Now we are 6-3 having being beat by one of the worst teams at home.

The defense did its job again and every other facet of this game was sleep walking.

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Mojo's picture

November 15, 2015 at 05:59 pm

We're already seeing the homerism. Supposedly it's good to get our stank-on right now during the middle of the season, like a number of other SB winners did. Today's game was a positive.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 15, 2015 at 07:18 pm

My criticism is noted, but I'm damn sure not giving up on this team. I do believe they will bounce back sooner than later. Does that make a homer too?

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SpudRapids's picture

November 15, 2015 at 09:18 pm

I'll take being called a homer all day but I still believe in this team... You short sided, fickle so called fans forget that the rest of the season still has to play out. In 2010 they lost back to back games to Miami and Washington who were both terrible. Grow up and get over these losses, they could turn it around and win out next week your or I don't know what will happen.

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porupack's picture

November 15, 2015 at 10:50 pm

you guys seem to believe in stars and astrology as if things just bounce to resolve eventually for the "good guys". Its not about bounce backs and lottery luck. Its about management ability to prepare and scheme which they have failed all year. Even when they won games, they were employing very poor tactical leadership.
Wishful thinking is clearly the rage on this site.
I prefer prediction based on evidence of past.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 03:15 am

Hey man. You are OK! But obviously you are so hurt now that you want everybody to be changed... OK! If you need so, please comment like this, but, believe or not, this team will bounce back, eventually... It is not the stars and astology, or magic or whatever... It is pure human stupidity. When you believe you are better or worse than others - you lose in both situation. It is necessary to gain perspective to be successful. Something Lions had yesterda and Packers had not...

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SpudRapids's picture

November 16, 2015 at 12:53 pm

I call bull... if you were making prediction based on evidence of past you would recognize that the Pack and Pats have the consecutive playoff streaks going. Even when Rodgers went down with the collarbone they found a way to get in. They are currently 6-3, the fast start to the season may be their saving grace if they can turn it around. A win next week puts them atop the NFC North again. Past evidence would suggest they'll find a way to win the division.

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Wenis's picture

November 16, 2015 at 08:37 am

I am not pointing to anyone directly as being a homer. What I am speaking of is the mentality that has infected this site that losing is ok because it is a 16 game season. Losing to the Lions at home was a disgrace and is unacceptable.

Yes I agree with everyone else that this team will bounce back and right the ship. Can't wait until that time comes.

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SpudRapids's picture

November 16, 2015 at 09:34 am

I agree the loss was unacceptable to the lions, however, I will refuse to think they are done for the year because they've played shitty for 3 games.

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WinUSA's picture

November 17, 2015 at 10:59 am

3 games? The have played shitty for at least FOUR games... If it wouldn't have been for one heads up play on the last play for SD we would have gone to over time and been continued to be picked apart by Phillips.

Christ the guy threw for over 500 yards. We have made Phillips, Manning, AND Newton look as if they can walk on water!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Allison Hendricks's picture

November 15, 2015 at 03:55 pm

I feel like we need more information, because getting fed the same stuff or baseline basic information isn't cutting it anymore. There has been a clear collapse psychologically. No one has confidence. No one has any idea what is going on. It's been 4 weeks and it only gets worse. I love the Packers but my God I'm embarrassed for them. I don't think firing people is the answer but something has to happen to right the ship.

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Nerd's picture

November 15, 2015 at 06:26 pm

Aside from when it really mattered, I thought the defense held up pretty well.

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JerseyAl's picture

November 15, 2015 at 03:56 pm

An overlooked factor in this game will be how the refs called the game in the secondary. Really hurt the Packers. Lions were smarter in that regard. They played how they were being allowed to. Packers didn't (see Hayward coverage on the TD). But of course, a lot of things went wrong today.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:00 pm

A lot of truth to that. There was a lot of non calls. WRs have the right to the ball. That changed the game.

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TommyG's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:10 pm

It only changes the game because AR threw at the mugging rather than the open man.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:36 pm

Great point @Tommy

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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:47 pm

You mean when he wasn't throwing it into the ground....

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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:47 pm

You mean when he wasn't throwing it into the ground....

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Pumpguy1988's picture

November 15, 2015 at 11:33 pm

One of the problems are the receivers aren't getting open because they can't beat the DB's

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GVPacker's picture

November 15, 2015 at 05:46 pm

Good Point Al. I saw a lot of Holding and Arm Bar interference by the Lions DB's. They got away with it in the first quarter and used that tactic for the remainder of the game!

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porupack's picture

November 15, 2015 at 10:52 pm

boo hoo, poor WRs. What was the excuse the other 8 games when they can't get open?

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mrj007's picture

November 15, 2015 at 05:47 pm

Blame the refs? TOTAL loser mentality. Not to be disrespectful, but this team has been playing for a goid call from the refs instead of playing like it should. Offense seems to be made of losers. Blaming the officiating is the epitomyof loser-ness.

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JerseyAl's picture

November 15, 2015 at 08:48 pm

holy cow, can we simply say something might be overlooked without someone interpreting it as blaming the whole loss on it? Overlooked indicates it wasn't one of the main reasons, simply a contributing factor that might not be mentioned as much because so many other things were so BAD.

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SpudRapids's picture

November 15, 2015 at 09:21 pm

Al, great point but everyone is having emotional outbursts because they hurt by this teams bad stretch. Lots of problems but this team has a lot of talent that is underachieving and it can be righted.

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Jayme Snowden's picture

November 15, 2015 at 10:11 pm

Pretty sure Al's point far from blaming the refs but instead blaming coaches. The refs let the dbs play, grab, etc. lions saw this and kept doing it. Packers saw it and just complained. All crews call games differently, good teams and coaches will observe and make adjustments. I read Al's point that the Packers should have noticed how the game was being called and started grabbing and bumping more in the secondary; that's a complaint against the team not the refs.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 10:59 pm

My biggest complaint on the team this year is how the coaches aren't making the adjustments needed.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 03:24 am

I read it exactly the same as you. It was not complaining on the refs, but on not adjusting to their criteria...
But to be honest they did not have criteria. Mike McCarthy was jelling on them and next play they called PI in Packers favor (it was PI). And that was that. After that again "criteria" were changed...
More physical team got 3 (read again 3) penalties for 35 yards, less physical team got 5 (read again 5) penalties for 55 yards... Was this game the one with the smallest number of penalties this season (8 total) for just 90 yards?
Ah...

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JerseyAl's picture

November 16, 2015 at 01:36 pm

exactly, Jayme. Instead, we see Hayward playing 3 yards off the receiver on the GOAL LINE!!! Never touched him. EASY TD!!!

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EdsLaces's picture

November 15, 2015 at 03:58 pm

What was that there Adam Czech or however you spell it? Packers will win this game guaranteed? Yeah great call bud. Anyone who thinks this packer team is guaranteed to win against any pro team right now isn't fn watching them play!!!! This sh#t is sad. 17 wants to catch hard ones and drop easy ones. Cobb basically disappeared. Starks didn't do crap. Aaron missed about 25 throws. Only highlight .....Clinton-Dix must have heard the criticism cause he was lights f#ckin out today.....I hate football I'm out.

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JerseyAl's picture

November 15, 2015 at 03:59 pm

Thanks for playing!

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 03:58 pm

Wow.

I love this team but wow...

Blame goes everywhere for this one. WRs dropped way to many. Rodgers missed some throws.

Defense played great for most of the game. This shouldn't have been a game.

Completely a disaster. The team looks just lost right now. Big game next week.
If they don't win its going to turn into a very long season.

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TommyG's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:15 pm

There is zero reason to think this team will win against Minnesota; a team that will own the division and be playing out of their minds next week. Chalk up the loss now.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 03:33 am

It was not complete disaster. The player lot of people spit on him last week showed them that he is the best Packers safety after Nick Collins and Charles Woodson. He had 11 tackles (9 solo) and INT and was one who played all he has whole game until injury (concussion!). Where were Clay, Julius (nice tackling Julius!), Neal, Perry, Daniels (6 tackles no one solo), B. J. Raji? I say Ha-Ha had all the rights to yell on Peppers and the rest of DL and LB. People was laughing to Nate Palmer (8 tackles, 6 solo)...
I love the Packers. I do not love team. If somebody plays horrible, even if his name is Aaron Rodgers, he should be placed on side. I'm certain that Scott Tolzien would perform better...
Now, you can start to dislike me...

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Klincker's picture

November 15, 2015 at 03:59 pm

Its up to MM, as head coach, to take leadership of this team, and get it back to what it should be. He should be able to identify the problems, and there are many.

And if I hear the word fundamentals from ANY ONE OF THE PACKERS PLAYERS OR COACHES, then they truly dont have what it takes to win. Fundamentals is the easy excuse, and that train has left the station.

And find someone at ILB. Matthews has to be OLB. The rush isnt getting through. Zero sacks in three straight games, and barely any knock-downs.

And I would say, that someone has to get into AR's head and straighten him out. He looks disconnected and disinterested when TV show him on the sidelines.

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porupack's picture

November 15, 2015 at 10:57 pm

MM as a leader is the root of the problem. He and DC. They have failed to prepare the team with the right schemes and strategy. All other situational failures are result. Talented team. Won a lot last year. But opponents can now outsmart a straightjacketed, rigid McCarthy this year. Simple as that.

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ollie418's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:04 pm

Aside from the fact the they played awful. They could have won if they knew the value of timeouts and clock management.

Wasted Timeouts = 2. One on D early in 3rd quarter. Detroit scored TD anyway. Second one before 2 point conversion with the clock stopped.

Then McCarthy no timeout with 2:24 in game.

STOP WASTING FREAKING TIMEOUTS!!

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:05 pm

Change the word freaking and your 100% right.

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mrj007's picture

November 15, 2015 at 05:52 pm

Unfortunately the team hasn't figured out how to snap the ball before the play clock expires. You would think by the 9th game of the year a professional sports team could figure this oyt. Not the McDumbass led Packers...

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 15, 2015 at 06:31 pm

You may not want to hear this, but time mgmt had absolutely NOTHING to do w/ the loss. But keep beating that dead horse if it make you feel better. Too bad it doesn't make you right!

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ollie418's picture

November 15, 2015 at 09:04 pm

There is no right, there is no wrong, only thinking makes it so.

Just opinions is all.

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paxbak's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:03 pm

It's over Johnny

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JerseyAl's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:38 pm

Nothing is Over! Nothing!

https://youtu.be/gLo-ylNPXyE

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 05:23 pm

It's over if the offense plays the way it has been. It's a mess.

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Packer_Pete's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:03 pm

Let me just say it this way. I don't want to hear about WRs not getting open, they were pen all day. #12 was AWFUL. There was one down where he could've run for 20 yards, he actually had Sitton in front as a blocker and nothing but green grass. Instead he tried to throw a long one. He missed at least 7 open WRs/TEs badly. When will McC pull the cord and put the QB2 in? Maybe this O needs a kickstart, and #12 is not capable at the moment to lead them to anything.
The D was alright today. ST was bad. But the O was downright terrible. Worst O in the league at the moment.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:37 pm

Thumbs up from me

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 15, 2015 at 06:38 pm

Really??? Your calling for Tolzien over Rodgers?!

If I didn't think you were on drugs sayin receivers were open all day, after that comment I surely do.

Rodgers certainly isn't himself, and had a bad game, but asking for Tolzien is lunacy, which was my initial reaction to saying receivers were open all day.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 07:24 pm

I'm not changing Rodgers for anyone. But there is definitely something wrong with him. He is missing wide open WRs, throwing into the dirt on others. Other times he is hitting WRs perfectly where only he makes that throw.

I'm not sure what is going on, but for us to have any chance this year at anything we need him to start playing his best.

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baldski's picture

November 15, 2015 at 09:31 pm

It's the curse of the super model girlfriend! Ask Tony Romo.

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acularw's picture

November 15, 2015 at 10:02 pm

What about Tom Brady?

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porupack's picture

November 15, 2015 at 11:01 pm

You guys seem to love being suspended in imposed perplexity.

MM as a leader is the root of the problem. He and DC. They have failed to prepare the team with the right schemes and strategy. All other situational failures are result. Talented team. Won a lot last year. But opponents can now outsmart a straightjacketed, rigid McCarthy this year. Simple as that.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 03:37 am

Yes, I'm calling Scott too. He can't play worse than Aaron at the moment!

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Packer_Pete's picture

November 16, 2015 at 09:36 am

From the top of my head I can remember at least 7 plays where receivers were wide open. And I am sure if I rewatched the game I'd see more. Those would've been big gains. But either Rodgers didn't see them or threw it into the dirt. So if you didn't see that then please rewatch the game.

As far as me being on drugs, well I had a few beers. Which is my drug of choice. Other than that, you should be checking what you've had in your system. Must have impacted your eyesight.

I watched the Broncos game after the Packers game. When Manning was inefficient and played badly, he was yanked, and they brought Osweiler in. And that on the day when he broke the NFL passing record. My point is, nobody should be safe on this team. If someone does not perform, try with another guy. I am not saying Tolzien is better than Rodgers, but what I am saying is that when #12 has a bad day, why not try someone else during the game. Or is his confidence so shaky that you couldn't pull him out? I think one of the main problems is that certain superstars on this team know they'll always play. I'd give Elliott more reps, and play Peppers less. I'd give the young WRs more and play JJ and Adams a little less if they don't perform. Why not do the same with a QB? This should be about winning the game, not about protecting the fragile ego of your supposed best player in the NFL.

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porupack's picture

November 15, 2015 at 11:03 pm

P_P
The defense was inadequate today. No sacks. lots of passes yielded in short middle of field as typical of the year. They did hold up against the run however.

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SpudRapids's picture

November 16, 2015 at 12:59 pm

Disagree. The defense gave up 18 points, one touchdown drive which started at the 5 yard line. That should win the majority of NFL match ups if your offense plays to the NFL average.

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barutanseijin's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:05 pm

If they play like they have since the Denver game they have no chance in Minnesota.

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D Ernesto's picture

November 15, 2015 at 11:35 pm

Serious? The bikes have one of the best defneses a Nd the best running game right now and your thinking that ePack have a chance. I had the bikes winning the division since pre season. Ted t did nothing to improve ethis team.

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TarynsEyes's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:05 pm

"Just what the Doctor ordered" was the talk for what ails the Packers this weekend vs the Lions......I guess the Dr was on vacation this weekend and didn't fill the prescription as I made note of and the Packers drank that cure all elixir of pure alcohol...drunks slobbering all over themselves...disgusting.

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barutanseijin's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:05 pm

If they play like they have since the Denver game they have no chance in Minnesota.

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justinritzel1's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:06 pm

I've never seen Aaron Rodgers throw so many passes into the dirt.

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Mojo's picture

November 15, 2015 at 05:50 pm

Arod trusts the dirt.

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jbromusic's picture

November 15, 2015 at 06:11 pm

the dirt has better hands than adams. i kid, i kid (kind of)

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Mojo's picture

November 15, 2015 at 06:45 pm

On any given play, ARod knows where the dirt will be.

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TommyG's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:08 pm

Gut reaction: f*ck this offense, AR in particular. That being said, I think Abbredaris and Perillo were highlights. Adams is a complete bust. The worst part of the AR/Adams combo is that AR threw at him multiple time when he thought he might get a penalty, completely ignoring the WIDE F*CKING OPEN slant route across the middle. The defense did an outstanding job today. With the exception of the mason shank the special teams played well too. The offense has nearly zero to be happy about.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 05:29 pm

What is funny is the best drive they had all day was when they went to a 4 WR set, in the 4th quarter....

While I blame the QB and WRs for most of this loss, I am not letting the offensive coordinator and coaches off the hook. The offense struggled all game and yet they kept trotting out the same personnel for most of the game.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 15, 2015 at 05:57 pm

Ok,RC. Either you're in denial or you just like to debate.

What else can be done or could have been done in that game? If they would have made the easy plays (on offense) the game would have been wrapped up before the 4th. Even in the 4th (w/Davante's 2 potential TDs) they were not finishing plays.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 06:42 pm

Trust me. I blame the players. This is purely on the players, and mostly on Rodgers. I am just saying that the coaches need to realize that what they are doing isn't working and need to do something different. When they took out R Rodgers and put in Perillo. He actually came up with nice plays. When they put in the 4 WR set it created some looks that the defense wasn't able to defend easily. My whole take on it is why run 3 quarters of the same offense if your not getting good results. Yes a lot of it is on the players, but if they aren't getting the job done then they need to put someone in that can. That to me is on the coaches.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 15, 2015 at 07:56 pm

@RC, did you an issue with the first series?

Serious question.

The coaches are putting the best available players out there. No WR past Ty is going to change this offense. No TE past Rodgers/Quarless is going to change this offense.

4 WRs sets can't be ran for majority of the game because it limits this offense.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 08:26 pm

Problem isn't the first series. Go back and look at every game this year. First series (which is scripted) seems to run great. After that they get into a rut and do the exact same thing for the next 2 quarters and change things in the 4th and get the offense going again. It's been that way almost every game this year.

I think Clements is in over his head. Not one player will make a huge difference. But creating different looks and using a lot of different players might make the difference. Doing the same thing over and over again doesn't seem to be working. It's time they start changing it up more. I'm not saying run the whole game in 4 WR sets. But mix it in. Get the defense to substitute and find a mismatch.

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porupack's picture

November 15, 2015 at 11:07 pm

Actually, the first series was exactly what I had been calling for. A quick pass attack. It worked. But I expected a bit more before going to run sets. They should have stayed in that for another 2 series.

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 15, 2015 at 06:41 pm

Apparently you missed where Abbrederis got lit up and suffered another concussion. In case you didn't realize he didn't return to the game. His career might as well be over.

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dobber's picture

November 15, 2015 at 07:31 pm

I found a report that it was a rib injury, but if you're right and it's another concussion, then he should be glad for his brief time in uniform and retire. It isn't worth ending up in wheelchair with drool running down your chin in your 40s.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 03:42 am

It is reported on packers.com that Jared Abbrederis has rib injury. It is not concussion. But Ha-Ha got concussion.

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dobber's picture

November 15, 2015 at 07:32 pm

"With the exception of the mason shank the special teams played well too."

I presume you also choose to point out the Abdullah KO return to start the second half. That was the game-changer right there.

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badaxed's picture

November 15, 2015 at 07:36 pm

104 yard kickoff return?

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Raul Castro's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:12 pm

I feel absolutely disconnected to this absolutely disconnected team.

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Raul Castro's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:09 pm

Am I the only one that thinks Romo's Crownies actually look good?

It's odd. A game like this really puts into perspective the meaninglessness of the game. So we lost. Ok. We will win again. Maybe not next week. Maybe not this year. It will happen again some time. I won't waste my life crying over botched FGs. If the team doesn't care, why should I? I love the Packers, but ultimately they don't give a shit about my problems so I won't waste my life crying over them. We live, we die. We love, we cry. We win, we lose. Only one thing is certain... No matter what happens this season, Star Wars comes back in December. Go Pack Go.. Or not. You all decide.

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JerseyAl's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:17 pm

Communist!

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Raul Castro's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:37 pm

Putin would've made the kick!

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JerseyAl's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:39 pm

I agree!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 16, 2015 at 07:03 am

Putin would have intimidated the refs on the lack of defensive holding calls.

Raul's attitude reminds me of my attitude back in the 1970s and 1980s when I hoped GB would slip into the playoffs, with no real expectation of success. Given that we have an elite QB in place, I really, really, really, don't want to go back to that attitude.

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pacman's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:10 pm

Let's see if MM has the brains or guts to do something rather than wait until the end of the season.

And AR a psychologist as he "ain't right" and if he isn't, there is no team.

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mrj007's picture

November 15, 2015 at 05:57 pm

MM make an adjustment? Not going to happen ever. The moat stubborn and clueless coach ever is incapable

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real some guy's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:10 pm

This is what you get when a team is beat up physically and doesn't have the coaching staff to adjust. This has been a long time coming.

The defense has serious tactical issues and struggles against anyone with a pulse.

On offense, we have become one of the most predictable and boring teams in the league. The same formations, the same routes, the same personnel. The defense KNOWS what is coming. Its hard count, 3 yard out, backshoulder throw mixed in with a few runs up the gut. you cannot continue to do that, And Rodgers continues to hold the ball way too long

Where are the bubble screens, bunch formations, and rub routes? they're just completely missing from the playbook. Watch the Patriots play calls and routes. its night and day from our offense. It almost feels like Rodgers is doing nothing pre-snap.

Perhaps losing so many coaches on the offensive side over the last 5 years has finally crippled the team.

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mrj007's picture

November 15, 2015 at 05:59 pm

Great comment

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jbromusic's picture

November 16, 2015 at 12:20 am

well said real some guy. i think it's a total offensive collapse. there are so many guys who are banged up right now- cobb, adams, lacy, bakh (i also think rodgers is injured but it hasn't been reported. how else would you explain his inaccuracy as a passer over these last 4 games? ). plus you don't have nelson, montgomery or quarless out there. rodgers has NO confidence in his line, his receivers, or his running game and he's lost confidence in himself. i think the guys around him sense it too and it's effecting the psyche of the entire offense. this is just a guess on my part but i think there's a lot of truth to it.

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Icebowler's picture

November 15, 2015 at 11:04 pm

Our Offense, lead by Rodgers, is having one big collective "Panic Attack". Time to get the Yoga mats back out?

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croatpackfan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 03:53 am

Or put Scott in. It will be interesting to see how Packers O will play then. I say replace Corey with J. C., Josh and T. J. with Walker & Taylor, put Barclay on the RT and activate Vujnovich as LT. They will play better than existing OL. Why? Because they will know they have to give everything from themselves and thery will execute, not thinking about...

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croatpackfan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 03:53 am

Or put Scott in. It will be interesting to see how Packers O will play then. I say replace Corey with J. C., Josh and T. J. with Walker & Taylor, put Barclay on the RT and activate Vujnovich as LT. They will play better than existing OL. Why? Because they will know they have to give everything from themselves and thery will execute, not thinking about...

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porupack's picture

November 15, 2015 at 11:11 pm

RSG;
Exactly. Coaches have not set up the players to succeed, and it all starts collapsing.

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some_guy's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:11 pm

It's ok guys you can't go 12-4 without losing 3 games. Lotta season left! :D

...or maybe we can stop being ok with it always getting near this point before they get their heads out of their asses and right the ship. Eventually something was going to give.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 03:54 am

I'm sure you can get 12-4 with losing 3 games only! It will be the first team that have 12-4 with 3 loss...

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Idiot Fan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:15 pm

Since this is pretty much rock bottom, I'm choosing optimism:

- Randall has some game.
- Perillo showed something today.
- Rodgers has always been pin-point accurate, but he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn today. That won't always be true.
- Receivers dropped a bunch too. That won't always be true.

Side note: I do wish the receivers would stop looking at the refs immediately after an incomplete pass. Ignore the refs, ignore the DB, and just go get the ball.

I still like our chances next week.

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Allison Hendricks's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:26 pm

I like you.

Seriously.

I already said to myself, the best part about rock bottom is there's no where to go but up, and I think bottom was hit today. Lots of stuff that is psychological in nature and lots of unusual behavior. I'm sure adjustments need to be made, but it's not the apocalypse.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:35 pm

I agree with the general sentiment, but there is something to working the refs, too. It might be that it is generally known that being physical with our WRs (even mugging them) is the achilles heel of this team, and refs will not give us the benefit of the doubt, or at least the benefit to a 2nd year WR.

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packsmack's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:36 pm

I agree, and it's better to find the bottom now than later. I've always hated when this team plays their bad games toward the end of the season. If you look back at just about all of the last 10 or so champs, they had a bumpy road early or in the middle of the year while there was still time to figure it all out.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:49 pm

Thanks. I needed a silver lining to grab onto.

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Idiot Fan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:58 pm

I could not agree more. The 2012 Giants lost five in a row in the middle of the season. The 2013 Ravens were horrendous for a stretch even right up to the playoffs. Work out the crap now and hit your stride at the right time. This season is not even close to over.

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JerseyAl's picture

November 15, 2015 at 08:53 pm

thumbs up!

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zoellner25's picture

November 15, 2015 at 09:28 pm

We desperately need a big, physical receiver, not another tiny diva.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 03:58 am

You are the fan for Idiots, so for me too... ;-)
I like your attitude and I agree with you. But I think Packers should think about some drastic changes in playing personnel, offense for sure...

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GVPacker's picture

November 15, 2015 at 05:51 pm

You may be an Idiot but you're no Dummy!

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D Ernesto's picture

November 15, 2015 at 11:40 pm

I quiped to wider these guys are missing passes in there hands and trying to blame it on the defenders. Why tomuchbelly aiming on this team. I thought the wheels would falloff this wagon with a lionloss.

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calabasa's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:11 pm

What's the reason for ARod's shitty play? Classic comments at home today- my wife asked if ARod and Olivia split up...my dad asked if they got married!

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Handsback's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:11 pm

This team is scary, very scary bad!

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real some guy's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:12 pm

This is what you get when a team is beat up physically and doesn't have the coaching staff to adjust. This has been a long time coming.

The defense has serious tactical issues and struggles against anyone with a pulse.

On offense, we have become one of the most predictable and boring teams in the league. The same formations, the same routes, the same personnel. The defense KNOWS what is coming. Its hard count, 3 yard out, backshoulder throw mixed in with a few runs up the gut. you cannot continue to do that, And Rodgers continues to hold the ball way too long

Where are the bubble screens, bunch formations, and rub routes? they're just completely missing from the playbook. Watch the Patriots play calls and routes. its night and day from our offense. It almost feels like Rodgers is doing nothing pre-snap.

Perhaps losing so many coaches on the offensive side over the last 5 years has finally crippled the team.

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calabasa's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:22 pm

"People aren't getting open"

Also, "we like our guys"

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Tundraboy's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:37 pm

All true. Aargh. Too dam predictable.

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AngryPackersFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:13 pm

Trade Rodgers for a 6th round pick, while we can still get something for him.

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TarynsEyes's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:13 pm

The defense played better against another horrid offense...kudos.
The offense played like a pee wee team against a horrid defense.
This is the most talented team in the NFL as like falsely believed last season...not.
Abbrederis gets 20 snaps and Janis gets one.....nobody is telling me it isn't more a personal dislike by Rodgers,if Janis is that bad than cut him,because his SPT play won't save the season and neither will keeping him on the sideline..wasting learning time and chance of changing things on offense....nothing to lose since we are looking to lose much more than ever expected.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:48 pm

Taryn, I love ya, but Abby is the more accomplished WR at this point. I do not care which one gets some snaps, and would prefer both to get some meaningful snaps. Edit: I am just happy to see Abby on the field. Actually, I really do not know why Janis is not getting more snaps. (Delete this: That said, personal dislike is not the reason Janis is on the sidelines, imo - because I do not know.)

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TarynsEyes's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:53 pm

The ineptitude of the offense would have many tossing sh%t sticks at a wall to see if it works....the thinking on Janis' route running is equal to sh%t sticks..it has to be a personal thing..to what degree is a question but it has an influence.

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porupack's picture

November 15, 2015 at 11:16 pm

Tarynfor12;
It is totally irrational though. That's all. Its just a subjective conjecture.

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jbromusic's picture

November 15, 2015 at 06:22 pm

abby is a better receiver but he's made of glass. you can't count on him to stay healthy

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zoellner25's picture

November 15, 2015 at 09:30 pm

Sad, but true.......to quote Metallica

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 05:40 pm

I agree with your take on Abbrederis and Janis. I am at that point with Janis too. If he isn't good enough to play then cut him.

If there is an issue with Rodgers and the WRs it's time he gets over it. Today he finally started throwing to Abbrederis and look at what happens. They have their best drive. They start looking like the offense we are accustomed to seeing. This offense needs to use everyone it has. Even Perillo surprised me and played well. It's time he figures a way to use Janis and others.

I don't get the coaches. They trust Randall even though he makes mistakes. They pull Palmer for Ryan and he plays well. This week Palmer is starting again. They don't play the young players because they are afraid of them making mistakes? If they are afraid to play young players they better be going out and getting veterans then.

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 15, 2015 at 06:58 pm

So your sayin they should have cut Jordy Nelson after a yr and 1/2 too?

Janis came from a very small school and has a lot to learn. Abbrederis came from a better, NFLish offense, too bad he got ANOTHER concussion today. But then that's always been his issue. Hasn't it?

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 07:31 pm

Did Abbrederis really get a concussion? I haven't seen anywhere else that shows he got one.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 08:14 pm

One of the biggest differences with Nelson is he had proven guys ahead of him in their prime and healthy. The guys ahead of Janis now are not in their primes. The only one is Cobb. Jones, while I like is past his prime. Abbrederis just got his first meaningful playing time. Adams is still young and learning. Montgomery is injured right now.
The reason why I would like to see him getting used is because he offers something to the offense that they are sorely missing. That's big play potential. While he might not be ready to be a #1-3 WR I don't see any reason why he couldn't be used as a number 4.
That's my opinion on it. Whether it's right or wrong it's my own.

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 15, 2015 at 11:13 pm

" I am at that point with Janis too. If he isn't good enough to play then cut him." Was your quote was it not? Using that comment, like I mentioned they then should have released Jordy.

I don't care what's ahead of or behind anyone on the depth chart. What's keeping Janis off the field is the coaches don't think he will help them win. Simple as that. Coaches trust him and he's going to play. I don't disagree that he has big play potential, but some amount of consistency is required from the coaches and he hasn't EARNED it yet.

Turns out Abbrederis has a rib injury. Thought for sure it was a concussion, since they took his helmet and didn't return.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 07:01 am

There is a big difference between Jordy and Jeff. Yes Jordy sat and didn't get a lot of playing time. But he still got playing time. The reason why he didn't play more was because of the talent in front of him.

The talent in front of Jordy is way better then the talent in front of Jeff. There is a big difference.

I know what your saying. Coaches and Rodgers don't trust Jeff. For whatever reason. I'm sure he is still trying to learn the system and how to play at this level.

My only thing with Jeff right now is that they are so reluctant of playing him, afraid he will make a mistake. Well they don't have a problem with other players making mistakes. Randall has made mistakes and yet he is starting. Hayward Makes mistakes and he plays. Adams makes mistakes and he plays. R. Rodgers has been making a lot of mistakes and he continues to get a ton of playing time. They just finally started using Abbrederis and guess what, he played well... They just started using Perillo, and guess what he makes plays.

I really think its more with Rodgers then it is with the coaches. Even in yesterdays game Abbrederis was playing a quite a bit, and Rodgers wasn't throwing to him early. There was a 3rd down that Abbrederis ran an out Route about 2 yards past the first down line. If Rodgers throws it early, he is open. Rodgers waits, he gets covered and he throws it over his head out of bounds and they have to punt. Once he started throwing to him, he started making plays with it. Same with Perillo. Once he started throwing to him, he started making plays.
Rodgers needs to do a better job of spreading the ball around to the players that are on the field.
Now its not on Rodgers who comes in and out of the game, but I think Rodgers has a problem throwing to certain players.

In my opinion its time they start trusting the young players they have. Might not be ready for a full time role, but maybe they can be used sparingly to help make a difference.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 04:04 am

You again. He does not have concussion. He get RIB INJURY! Abby get hit by the crown of the helmet (forbiden in NFL!, not flaged!) towards his back and he was not tested on concussion. I think you should be tested on concussion!
Ha-Ha was investigated for concussion, I'm sure he suffered!

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 16, 2015 at 10:17 pm

I admitted I was mistaken. What the F is your problem!

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D Ernesto's picture

November 15, 2015 at 11:42 pm

Janis inst playing because Rogers doesn't like him. Rogers has been politicking for Abbey and he gets his way.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 07:18 am

And yet it took how long for Rodgers to actually look at Abbrederis seriously and throw to him.

Its time Rodgers gets over himself and starts using everyone he has available.

This offense is not as experienced as he has had in the past. There are a lot of young talented players, and he needs to start using them.
Like yesterday Abbrederis and Perillo stepped up. Maybe these young guys can actually make plays if given the chance.

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SpudRapids's picture

November 16, 2015 at 01:02 pm

You guys don't actually think it's a trust thing with Rodgers do you really? He threw that laser to Perillo, why does he supposedly "trust" him vs. anyone else. I think he is not seeing the field properly and it has nothing to do with trust. I also think he doesn't have a clean pocket to step into very often at all. Kind of hard to see the field with O-line being pushed into your face.

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AngryPackersFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:15 pm

Fire TT, and off with McCarthy's head

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:18 pm

What can I say about the Packers Offense that hasn't already been said about Afghanistan?

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packerfan9507's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:20 pm

I love the Packers as much as I love women - even if they both disappoint me sexually.

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packsmack's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:21 pm

Rabble rabble rabble!!

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dobber's picture

November 15, 2015 at 07:37 pm

I think the Hamburglar hijacked your account...

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tm_inter's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:21 pm

If the Packers continue like this I fear for Mike McCarthy's job at the end of the season. Dom Capers too. Possibly more heads will roll. The coaches can't avoid responsibility. Execution of plays has been atrocious.

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barutanseijin's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:30 pm

I get the impression that MM has been mailing it in this year. If #12 were playing at his usual level, people might not notice. Unfortunately for MM and the team, #12 is in a slump.

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porupack's picture

November 15, 2015 at 11:20 pm

#12 is in a slump in many ways because of MM and tactical approach each game.

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JerseyAl's picture

November 16, 2015 at 01:43 pm

absolutely. That and the OL letting him get smacked around pretty hard. he actually had a lot of the "happy feet" going on yesterday - big reason for some of those throws in the dirt.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 01:52 pm

Which is understandable. So why doesn't McCarthy take the Chargers approach in what they did to us.

They went to a very short passing game. Going into that game the Chargers had one of the worst OL's in the game.
They went to plays in which the QB got rid of the ball fast. And took their shots when they were available. Why don't we see more of that?

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lou's picture

November 15, 2015 at 05:23 pm

McGinn's column this morning like last weeks was right on, in a nutshell if the talent level is not there there is not much the coach can do. Per McGinn's research he noted a long list of under achievers and just a couple of over achievers along with professional opinions that said the team has Super Bowl talent. The net is McCarthy and his staff are responsible and time is running out. The Buck starts at the top.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 15, 2015 at 06:45 pm

Exactly. But when Rodgers isn't playing like superman and everyone else (on offense) can't even be serviceable, things look much worse than what it really is.

I'm just waiting for the key players to get healthy and Rodgers to find his groove. Their time will come. I'm certain.

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porupack's picture

November 15, 2015 at 11:27 pm

Well summarized lou.
Totally agree. At some point Packer-land has to decide, if coaches can't alter. Sometimes good managers run their course and times pass them by. Some very good coaches eventually and appropriate get fired.
MM's past success doesn't excuse him of current failure. If you stop performing, then you have to go. I'm not sure that time has arrived, but it has for Dom Capers for sure.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 16, 2015 at 04:08 am

I agree with you, so if Aaron stops to performing bench him...

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FITZCORE1252's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:24 pm

This team is all kinds of dysfunctional all of the sudden, and i have no idea why.

Even after last week i still had hope we could get to where we wanted to go, i think today nailed it home for me that this just isn't a championship team this year. Kinda nice to realize, now i won't get my feelers hurt when we are eliminated.

#NextYear

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EdsLaces's picture

November 15, 2015 at 05:54 pm

I'm with ya Fitz. Too many holes. We need to find a couple playmakers in the draft before we make our run in the next couple years. We need a better MLB to put Clay back outside. We need to find Peppers replacement. We need to find another Jordy and fast TE before we compete for the Lombardi again imo.

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Tundraboy's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:31 pm

Followed game on CHTV. So glad I did not watch game. Still love them but this was a brutal loss. Aaaargh. Change must come. And it starts with coaches.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:29 pm

Tap...tap...Is this thing on?

- Umm, so how about that Rodgers guy?
- What happened to Cobb's hands?
- Adams...Adams...Adams...I can't defend a bitchy WR. No matter if he was right. You can't do that much bitching and then drop 2 (which should have been) TDs
- Linsley got manhandled today
- Lang played bad
- I'm tired of reading/hearing about play calling. Play calls aren't going to make the O-Line block better or have the WRs catching passes or even have Rodgers make much better passes.
- I have NO CLUE what the problem is with the offense, but I do know that it's much more than play calls. It has to be.
- ??? Maybe the majority of the offense secretly too injured to play close to their potential? I don't know.

I did not see this coming. 2 weeks in a row that the offense got me anxious late into the game only to disappoint. I'm not used to this. Am I expecting too much from this team?

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 05:54 pm

Today's loss first starts with Rodgers. I place 60% of the loss on him. Next the WRs. Probably 25%. I place 10% on the offensive coaches. 5% on the special teams.

In this game most of the blame goes on the players. To many dropped balls, inaccurate throws, missed assignments.
I will say this though about the coaches. Why did it take till the 4th quarter or whenever to start using 4 WR sets? I don't recall seeing 4 WRs used until their TD drive. Let's face it. Packers are not good enough to go 3 WRs 1 TE this year and win consistently. When are the coaches going to see that and change it up. When they do it works. That set worked when Finley was our TE. Rodgers is not Finley. Time the coaches realize that.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 15, 2015 at 06:08 pm

But what's the difference between this game and the other 2 losses?

Formations don't really matter in this case because we have evidence of WRs doing their job (as far as making themselves available for the QB), but they just weren't finishing. Yes, the 4 WR set worked at times, but If the 3 WR 1 TE set worked in design, but the WRs dropped passes or the QB didn't deliver a catchable pass -- how can you call that a failure on the set?

I think the Pack can run the 3 WR 1TE set successfully, but I don't know if R.Rodgers is the best option to be that TE. Gotta work with what ya got. Quarless brings the speed needed. If you stop running that formation all together you begin to limit your offense.

If you want to get on the coaches for anything - get on them for personnel management (as far as who plays. Not the sets being run). I can agree with you on that.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 06:47 pm

I'm not saying stop running that formation. Just that they need to use more formations and different looks more often. Why run 90% or whatever of your offense out of that personnel group if our not getting anything good out of it. Run it yes. Run it as often as they do, no.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 15, 2015 at 07:03 pm

I can agree with that

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 15, 2015 at 07:35 pm

That's basically what my point has been the last few weeks. Might come across differently, but essentially that is what I've been trying to say.

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ollie418's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:30 pm

STOP WASTING TIMEOUTS.

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calabasa's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:30 pm

My Packers shirt today has this on the back:

GB: The Good

Min: The Bad

Chi: The Ugly

The Lions aren't even on the shirt!

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thebeast431's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:39 pm

I keep getting told that the play calling isn't the issue. But whenever I see McCarthy with the clipboard, our offense clicks. Whether its a prevent defense, or not, it clicks.

3 quarters of predictable play calls (wait no, 3 games of predictable play calling) Then when the clipboard is passed the 2014 GBP team shows up.

Welcome back Joe Philbin (2016)

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D Ernesto's picture

November 15, 2015 at 11:44 pm

When bonehead mike called the plays he had a healthy nelson, an in shape grinder in Lacy, tight ends who could run and block. The new guy is working with what he has !

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thebeast431's picture

November 15, 2015 at 04:40 pm

I hope Quarless and Montgomery change our dynamic.

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Mojo's picture

November 15, 2015 at 05:46 pm

We're in trouble if we're counting on Quarless to change our dynamic. But according to his position coach, he's the fastest TE we have. We're in trouble.

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zoellner25's picture

November 15, 2015 at 09:32 pm

When James Starks is your offensive mvp to this point, you are in trouble.