Gut Reactions: Packers waste great defensive effort in Kansas City
Aaron's gut reactions to the Packers loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.
By PackerAaron
- I know fans and some media will make this game a referendum on Jordan Love, which it absolutely isn't. But that said, kid is definitely not ready for prime time.
- You know who else wasn't in Year Two? Aaron Rodgers.
- Why on God's Green Earth the game plan wasn't geared toward the running game to help a young quarterback making his first start will forever be one of life's great mysteries.
- What a freaking game from Krys Barnes. Guy was absolutely everywhere.
- The defense got THAT performance after losing Eric Stokes in pre-game warmups. Impressive.
- Rashan Gary's sack was so pretty.
- The Chiefs just blitzed the shit out of Jordan Love. He had no idea how to handle it and LaFleur didn't seem to ever adjust to it.
- Special teams. Yikes.
- The Chiefs held Aaron Jones out of the backfield in the passing game all day.
- I think I'm over Amari Rodgers as a punt returner.
- TJ Slayton did some really nice work, especially as he was probably forced to play much more than planned due to Kenny Clark's injury.
- You could tell Davante Adams was frustrated at times, which of course is understandable.
- Darnell Savage played a hell of a game.
- Jordan Love is going to catch a lot of hell this week, most of it nonsense, some of it warranted. The most important thing that needs to happen now is he needs to learn from everything he saw and experience today.
- Still in first place.
- Go Pack Go.
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Comments (281)
Minniman
November 07, 2021 at 06:56 pm
One Positive - the D played really, really well.
Patrick got beat badly a number of times.
Only ST play looking to be the only thing that can’t be “fixed” by players returning
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 07:24 pm
STs almost has me pining for Zook. It was historically bad in almost every facet. I think it’s time to change coaches.
jeremyjjbrown
November 07, 2021 at 08:16 pm
I was shocked LaFleur stayed in house for ST Coordinator. Pretty clear that was a mistake.
Johnblood27
November 07, 2021 at 08:20 pm
Ding, Ding, Ding!!!
We have a winner!
Drayton isn't the answer.
The issue may be ... do MLF and/or Gutey even know what the question is?
The lack of a reasonable plan to move the needle on ST play is more than a beautiful mystery at this point.
NJMagic
November 07, 2021 at 06:56 pm
Hard to blame Love, easier to blame FO - no way he looked ready in practice either.
And MLF - how was THIS the game plan???
Crankbait
November 07, 2021 at 07:08 pm
How in the Sam hell does MLF start Love instead of Bortles ?
EnemyTerritory
November 07, 2021 at 07:49 pm
Because the long term play may or may not be Love. Bortles is a known quantity, I.e., career backup. The kid had deer eyes but to be fair he played in a very loud environment on one day of practice with Adams and pretty little preseason reps with any of the starting WR.
IMHO this loss falls squarely on the diva QB1 and on the game plan.
Oppy
November 07, 2021 at 09:04 pm
I agree with all of it except that the loss falls on QB1.
Not having Rodgers could have been for any reason- injury, etc.
If FG and PR units did their job today, this was either a tie game going into OT or an outright win.
For what it's worth, I have seen a veteran Aaron Rodgers look more like a deer in the headlights than Jordan Love looked tonight, under less of a pass rush than Jordan faced tonight. It wasn't pretty, but he didn't freak out and actually made a few very heads-up plays under duress, like knowing where his relief valve was and spiking it at his feet instead of taking a sack or trying to force a dangerous throw (twice).
barutanseijin
November 07, 2021 at 09:21 pm
“ Not having Rodgers could have been for any reason- injury, etc.”
It could have been for any reason, but it wasn’t just any. It was easily avoidable — except for dopes like #12. This L is for you, Aaron.
fordguy
November 08, 2021 at 09:46 pm
How was it avoidable? A vaccinated Adams just missed the last game from getting Covid.
Todd
November 07, 2021 at 09:38 pm
Because Bortles was out of the league, not wanted by 32 teams, hadn’t played in a game in like 2 years, and was on the golf course until what, Wednesday afternoon?
Doofapotamus
November 07, 2021 at 07:10 pm
After the first 4 screen passes were almost immediately blown up, idk why he even bothered trying more. I counted 6 screen passes that ended up being a waste and a 7th that was a lucky completion to Dillon
croatpackfan
November 08, 2021 at 03:23 am
That wasn't luck. It was marvelous play by AJ, who was accused that he is not good in passing game...
Doofapotamus
November 08, 2021 at 09:30 am
I was more referring to the ball placement and affect from the pass rush, not Dillon. He has shown remarkable hands and everyone who says "big backs can't catch" never watched Eddie Lacy either. He is ruthless when he has the ball in space.
jannesbjornson
November 08, 2021 at 06:01 pm
I remember when Pete Gogolak practiced drilling balls off the Laces. Be prepared , be a Pro.
Thegravedigger
November 07, 2021 at 08:07 pm
i dont get it. laflueur. theyre blitzing the shit out of the kid on every dropback.... where is his outlet? wheres the short pass to the back or the tight end? i know love panickeed and chucked it up a bit... and alot was on him... but where were the checkdowns built in to help your rookie qb? this was abig a test for lafluer as it was or love.... and lafluer failed. there shouldve been MUCH more play action... help the kid out. naked boots. swing passes. where was the aaron jones passes? mike white for the jets last week came in and threw 14 targets to michael carter the rb against the bengals. where were the swing passes? they tried screens but love was getting rushed too quick and they didnt work... but i was hoping to see more checkdowns, royce newman i think just played his last game as a starter this season, by the way.
Johnblood27
November 07, 2021 at 08:24 pm
agree on Newton. He was beyond terrible.
The stench from Patrick and Runyon covered some of the smell of death from Newmans game though.
That might have been the absolute worst performance from an offensive line interior that I have ever witnessed.
Love deserves absolutely zero blame for the lame offensive showing.
Interior offensive line - 65%
MLF gameplan - 15%
ST - 20%
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 10:15 pm
STs cost us 9 points by my reckoning in a 6 point game. I certainly don’t disagree that the O line was beaten squarely, but ST us the major culprit for me.
jannesbjornson
November 08, 2021 at 05:48 pm
It appears they don't have the linemen to run a basic draw play, go two-back power with Dafney and Dillon, or Pro Sets with Jones and Dillon to present counters. What the hell is going on in Armani Rodgers head? Grow some or get out of this League. The tolerance for sp teams ineptitude falls squarely on Gutedkunst and company.
It's broke, Fix it.
Alberta_Packer
November 07, 2021 at 06:56 pm
After today's game - thinking that GB (special teams) should apply to FEMA for disaster relief.
mbpacker
November 07, 2021 at 07:02 pm
Red Cross is on the way!
jeremyjjbrown
November 07, 2021 at 08:18 pm
Better send in the National Guard too.
WTF Taylor was doing flopping around like a fish in the path of the punt is just baffling...
Thegravedigger
November 07, 2021 at 09:19 pm
i wanted to blame taylor at first, but i also blame rodgers for choking and not faircatching that ball. gotta grab those and save the field position.
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 10:13 pm
If Rodgers catches the fair catch, Taylor is irrelevant. He didn’t and it bounced towards Taylor who had been knocked over.
chugwater
November 07, 2021 at 06:56 pm
Newman at guard. Ugly today.
Doofapotamus
November 07, 2021 at 07:11 pm
He's been ugly all season. He lets his guys run right by him at least 3x per game. There is a reason his PFF grade is 48.6. It's gonna get worse after today. All I can say is I can't wait for D-Bakh to come back so he can kick Jenkins back to guard, Runyan can hop to RG and get him the hell off of the field.
Rebecca
November 07, 2021 at 06:56 pm
Defense was excellent. Kicking teams sucked. Receiving teams sucked. La Fleur sucked.
dekan51
November 07, 2021 at 07:37 pm
D was ok. why did we line up 10 yards downfield at the end of the game? we weren't protecting a potential TD, we were defending a potential 1st down. coaching.......
Thegravedigger
November 07, 2021 at 08:37 pm
im pretty sure they were ten yards down the field cus it was 3rd and ten.
dekan51
November 08, 2021 at 09:46 am
cute answer.
last play was 3rd and like 6. we stop them, we get the ball. our safeties were still 15 yards back. a first down wins the game for them, yet we were still guarding against the long ball.
give me another brilliant cute answer......
Thegravedigger
November 10, 2021 at 11:40 pm
maybe it was a cute answer. but when you say it was 3rd and 6, your just flat out making that up. so thats why you got the cute answer, because it was 3rd and 10, and they were 10 yards off the ball??? you dont like cute answers? fine. thats fair, maybe lay off of the cute questions then.
dekan51
November 12, 2021 at 12:19 am
3rd and 10, not 3rd and 6. yup, you got me. it was 3rd and 5, then a 5 yard penalty, then 3rd and 10. obviously you think in 3rd and 10, with the game on the line, lining up 10 yards off the WR was a good decision. i disagree. i said our DB lined up too deep. they threw for 13 yards and a 1st down. game over. So instead of lining up close to the WR, he lined up 10 yards off him, like your answer said he did. our DB GAVE THE WR TOO MUCH CUSHION. that was my point, that i assume everyone understood but you, and if you knew football you would have understood that too, but you came back with a cute answer. but hey, 3rd and 6 vs 3rd and 10. woops. you got me! guilty as charged. but my point is the same, minus the 4 yards i missed. i say we still lined up too deep. cute answer comeback time......
Fubared
November 07, 2021 at 08:07 pm
ok your hc. you run and put yourself in ,3rd and longs, kmowing Kc will bring the house down on your young qb.
why arent you passing on first down when they arent expecting it giving the kid a chance.
the real lfleur stood out and told me Rodgers is running the offence not le fluer
Tundraboy
November 07, 2021 at 08:32 pm
Short and to the point! Nice concise summary
barutanseijin
November 07, 2021 at 09:24 pm
Where are the Coach of the Year people today? LaFleur sure didn’t look the part in KC.
Eighteen17
November 07, 2021 at 06:57 pm
Did not expect them to win but it was close. Time for a new field goal kicker.
stockholder
November 07, 2021 at 07:01 pm
Time for a new Holder!
fordguy
November 07, 2021 at 08:11 pm
You misspelled special teams coach.
Bitternotsour
November 07, 2021 at 07:03 pm
Crosby should not show up his holder. Crosby has missed a lot of field goals. The replacement is on the practice squad. It's probably time.
Doofapotamus
November 07, 2021 at 07:13 pm
Did you not see the laces facing towards him on the second kick? NO kicker wants that. Bojo knows that. Shame on the Packers front office for letting the other guy go and expecting the new guy to come in and play at a pro bowl level. Even Buck and Aikman knew that second snap was horrific. The ball never rotated and it threw Bojo off so bad he couldn't even turn the ball when he dropped it for Crosby.
jannesbjornson
November 07, 2021 at 07:18 pm
Yes, but the first hold was fine. Crosby has to drill it.
Doofapotamus
November 07, 2021 at 07:21 pm
The first hold wasn't great, the laces were to the side of the ball which can drastically affect the drag on the ball. When he kicked it, the laces were pulling hard on the ball despite there being mild wind speeds. Plus, everyone said that was the direction that both kickers were struggling with earlier in warm-ups.
Alberta_Packer
November 07, 2021 at 07:28 pm
Something is amiss.
Doofapotamus
November 07, 2021 at 07:54 pm
Yeah, the packer FO let their previously decent LS go for seemingly no reason mid-season and they paid a heavy price for it.
jeremyjjbrown
November 07, 2021 at 08:22 pm
It wasn't for no reason. He was sucking too. But how they played it was stupid. Get the other snapper in on the PS for at least a week before making a move.
Johnblood27
November 07, 2021 at 08:27 pm
He has been on the PS all season.
Pay attention.
barutanseijin
November 07, 2021 at 09:28 pm
Hunter Bradley was not decent! His snaps were all over the place. He deserved to be canned, but the replacement has to be an improvement.
barutanseijin
November 07, 2021 at 09:28 pm
Hunter Bradley was not decent! His snaps were all over the place. He deserved to be canned, but the replacement has to be an improvement.
Thegravedigger
November 07, 2021 at 08:08 pm
ok so its marinos fault... not finkles? the laces were in dan! they were in!
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 07:29 pm
I did, consistently in the same place. I have to believe Drayton was involved in the decision to change LS. It looks like they were not ready.
We cannot let Rodgers return punts. I’d prefer we bring back Shepherd!
We can’t block for our kicker or punter?
All of this is on Drayton.
Thegravedigger
November 07, 2021 at 08:09 pm
just let cobb faircatch it.
Jgilmor08
November 07, 2021 at 09:03 pm
Both kicks actually not just the blocked one
beerandbrats
November 07, 2021 at 07:29 pm
Laces out!
Irish_Cheesehead
November 07, 2021 at 07:22 pm
Today was a shit show by the long snapper and holder. None of that was on Crosby.
dekan51
November 07, 2021 at 07:39 pm
no. some of its on Crosby.....
Swisch
November 07, 2021 at 06:57 pm
Well, if you said before the game that Jordan Love would play about as well as Patrick Mahomes. . .
jeremyjjbrown
November 07, 2021 at 08:24 pm
Too bad it was for the wrong reasons. Still the is hope. He looked ok in the 4th quarter. It was too late though.
Johnblood27
November 07, 2021 at 08:29 pm
Love outplayed Mahommes.
Mahommes is in a MAJOR funk and he stunk it up today.
None of the Packers offensive struggles were on Love. The OL gets most of the blame, they were absolutely horrible inside. MLF gets the rest for a piss-poor game plan.
wsn
November 08, 2021 at 08:53 am
I'd say some of the offensive struggles were on Love. he looked rough - bottom line. sure there were others units that played poorly, but to suggest Love doesn't own any of the abysmal offensive showing is wrong in my opinion.
I think Twitterverse and Aikman got it right last night (though I hate to admit it). it was a bad first game for Love. And a bad game in general for all but he defense and Dillon. and Cobb for that great contested catch.
I heard many blaming the blitzing and o-line, but KC blitzed because packers had no answer. I'm surprised they didn't blitz more.
I'll hope for improvement, and I think it is likely given we now have a bar in which to judge, and that bar is lower than many of us would have expected. we can sugar coat it and find others to blame, but Love isn't to be absolved, he was part of the debacle. Let's hope they and he grow from it.
jannesbjornson
November 09, 2021 at 07:21 pm
Aikman is not one to talk. I witnessed his first season game @ Lambeau, not pretty. I thought he tossed three picks,or something like that. So it goes.
Lphill
November 07, 2021 at 06:57 pm
Not a good idea to change long snappers in the middle of the season .game was winnable if not for the miscues by the Packers .
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 07:30 pm
To me, another Drayton mistake
Fubared
November 07, 2021 at 08:11 pm
had to save a buck.
Beep
November 07, 2021 at 06:57 pm
Horrible game plan.
Totally winnable game against an inferior opponent if Rodgers didn’t make certain personal choices.
Need to overhaul special teams this week.
edp1959
November 07, 2021 at 07:00 pm
So you have to blame this loss on Rodgers. Adams got Covid and missed a game dumbass. He got the shot.
Mags
November 07, 2021 at 07:37 pm
OMG really! SMH
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November 07, 2021 at 10:04 pm
Let's go Brandon!
canadapacker
November 07, 2021 at 06:57 pm
Fire the special teams coach = if you cant block for a field goal - if your kicker has to kick away from pressure if you cant get enough blockers from the 53 on the field for a field goal attempt - then you deserved to be fired. Geesh - how many games are we going to let this happen???
Packer_Fan
November 07, 2021 at 06:58 pm
Great game by the defense.
Special teams cost the team a chance to win the game.
Love looked lost. Threw off balance a lot. In no way is he ready to be a first stringer
Now we know what to do after this year. Either sign Rodgers or be mired in mediocrity for the foreseeable future.
RC20
November 07, 2021 at 07:22 pm
Love needed a game plan that suited him, LaFleur gave him a rotten egg.
This is not on Love its all on LaFleur.
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 07:33 pm
To be fair, LaFleur just admitted exactly that.
Thegravedigger
November 07, 2021 at 08:13 pm
thats fine. but come on matt. this was your chance to prove something.... and you layed an egg. and it felt like nobody was communicating with this kid. he was standing by himself the entire game. some of the vets on offense need to do a better job of supporting him, at least on camera it looked that way (from my couch).
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 10:21 pm
I agree, but I think the error in part goes back to not letting Love get snaps with the starters in preseason as well. As a result they had one practice together. It showed. It was hard enough for Rodgers throwing to receivers who had no familiarity with him last week.
Johnblood27
November 07, 2021 at 08:33 pm
MLF took the sword.
The interior OL was absolutely HORRIBLE all game long.
MLF had a brain fart of a game plan, ,but the OL interior just plain failed at every opportunity in execution.
Love was actually much better than I thought he would be. The insane pressure aside, he played well. Much better than either Favre or Rodgers first attempts.
I am encouraged.
Oppy
November 07, 2021 at 09:10 pm
Sweet mother mary, a reasonable person who actually watched the game.
Thank you.
Johnblood27
November 07, 2021 at 09:14 pm
Thank you kind sir.
unbelievably, no alcohol this week either...
wsn
November 08, 2021 at 08:58 am
I'll hope you're right and the improvement comes, but I saw struggles and not potential. to your point though, there were others at fault and I agree with your assessments of LF and ST (they should have run 40 times), but I feel Love is in the same boat. he didn't help himself nor the team much.
cpabandit
November 07, 2021 at 09:04 pm
This absolutely is on Love. LaFleur does not know how to throw a football, and it is apparent neither does Love.
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 10:22 pm
LaFleur was a QB.
croatpackfan
November 08, 2021 at 03:55 am
No, this stupid comment is absolutely and completely on you. My God. Did you watch the game? If OL would play in that matter your beloved DIva would exit after 3rd possession.
You want comparison Aaron Rodgers - Jordan Love? Lets talk like this:
Packers at Saints 3 - 38 - AR stats: 15/28 133 yards 0 TD 2 INT / J. Love: 5/7 68 yards 0 TD 0 INT
Packers at Chiefs 7 - 13 - AR stats: Arrogant Liar / J. Love: 19/34 190 yards 1 TD 1 INT
Packers at Saints QBR: 36.7 AR, 102.1 JL
Packers at Chiefs QBR: 69.5
Similar games where Packers OL did next to nothing and Packers QB was under constant pressure. So tell me, who has better statistics?
Not to mention that only one clear mistake was made by Jordan Love. It was near the end of the game, I believe it was last Packers' possession when Jordan Love forced the throw to Cobb in the corner of the end zone. This was wrong choice. There was nobody in the middle of the field and MVS was 2 steps ahead of his guard. Easy completion and easy TD.
Unfortunately, I suppose Jordan Love wanted to prevent in field tackle so he choses to throw to the side.
Considering what we saw, Jordan Love needs some more experience, better OL and time to develop "chemistry" with available receivers.
The game was ugly, but not because of Jordan Love. He did max what he could at given circumstances.
If you want to be honest, for me it was looked like very, very bad game plan. Head Coach use your top 10 players at the their positions on offense and tailor the plan towards them, not towards opponent.
blacke00
November 08, 2021 at 07:17 am
Absolutely!
LaFleur is like Jeckle and Hyde. One day he devises a brilliant GP for Arizona and then totally "screws the pooch" with the KC game. I don't get it? What was he thinking before and after this game.
BTW, forget the Rodgers excuse. You deal with what you have and work out a plan!
edp1959
November 07, 2021 at 06:58 pm
Three words: Wasted draft pick. This guy can't hit the broad side of a barn. He should have had 3 picks with one being a pick six. He missed so many wide open throws. The look on Adam's face is all you needed to see. Who thought this was a smart pick instead of adding two defensive pieces that more than likely would have brought home a Super Bowl win needs to be fired immediately.
Irish_Cheesehead
November 07, 2021 at 07:19 pm
I heard the same thing in 2005.
Archaism
November 07, 2021 at 07:21 pm
Love wasn't able to step into over half of his throws. His coach failed to put a great game plan around him. Give props to the RB and WR crew, they tried like hell to bail out the horrid offensive line play. Also, Mahomes should have had several balls picked. So wtf is your point? You couldn't spot a decent qb and would rather chase a qb after Rodgers is gone. Let me know how that worked out for the Bears, the Vikings, and then just when you think you absolutely know it all... let me know how that turned out for the Chiefs. I know, I know, you have all the answers... just hope Guey reads this in time to turn around the franchise
Leatherhead
November 07, 2021 at 08:48 pm
He couldn’t step into his throws. I agree. I thought our pass pro wasn’t very good today….Love needs a little more protection to do the job.
Dillon and Jones had 20 carries for 99 yards. Love threw 35 passes and had 5 runs. I would much rather have seen 10 more runs and 10 less passes.
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November 07, 2021 at 10:18 pm
Love had the same pass protection that QB1 had all season but I do agree some folks are being a bit harsh on a guy for his first starting gig.
Oppy
November 07, 2021 at 10:23 pm
Same pass protection as in same offensive linemen, yes.
But Rodgers has not faced an all out barrage anything like what Love was subjected to tonight.
That's obviously because teams are scared to blitz Rodgers, because he's a wily vet, and teams are eager to test young QB's by blitzing them.. but Love actually fared pretty well considering the immense pressure.
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November 07, 2021 at 11:20 pm
Agreed
4thand1
November 07, 2021 at 07:25 pm
A lot of people said that about A Rodgers and Adams, and Gary, and etc etc
Minniman
November 07, 2021 at 08:30 pm
Agree, you can’t run the line through him yet.
This was as close to a “free shot” game as the Packers were going to get to see where Love is at.
In truth it was good for him (and MLF) to get a reality-check game like this.
The o-line didn’t help him out with decent, clean pockets either this week.
FallingUpNow
November 07, 2021 at 07:58 pm
Gameplan didn’t help. Not a single effective play against the blitz.
Fubared
November 07, 2021 at 08:19 pm
I agree. Gave kid every op to show, not prove, but show promiss. Saw none. He is frail in size, slow of foot, no arm strength, cant read progressions thus telegraps his throws. Should have been more polished considering he has two years if pre season games rodgers didnt play in.
Hundley makes Loves pick look very bad
Oppy
November 07, 2021 at 09:13 pm
Anyone who knows anything about football who read your post knows you either know nothing about football or didn't watch the game.
4thandinches
November 07, 2021 at 10:17 pm
Wow. Just wow. Here I thought last years preseason had been canceled… And this year, there were three games, one of which Jordan was held out of due to injury… Rodgers had 12 preseason games before starting and Love has had 2.
It didn’t look great today but can we give the kid a chance?
Tundraboy
November 07, 2021 at 08:37 pm
Can't really disagree with this. Broad side of a barn ,lol. That was exactly what I said on the Davante sideline throw(s) ,err , heave (s)
Doug_In_Sandpoint
November 07, 2021 at 06:59 pm
Why are special teams such a mystery to this organization? It’s been decades. Likewise, round 3 selections seem to be really tough for us (two TE’s and Amari have not impressed). This game was there for us. The D balled out even with all of the injuries. With AR and just average special teams play we win by 20. If Love goes next week you can bet the Seahawks rush 7-8 every down. The game hasn’t slowed down for Love yet. Lotta career left though…
croatpackfan
November 08, 2021 at 04:00 am
NO we would not. Go back to 1 st game of the season and look how AR looks under the same pressure JL was present to. At least JL threw one TD, contrary to AR in the 1 week.
Gee
November 08, 2021 at 09:56 am
Come on man, you just didn't compare this game to week 1. If you take out Love and put in Rodgers in the K.C 2 quick questions, 1. Who wins? 2. Do you really believe that K.C going to send that much pressure, if its Rodgers? If you say yes to the second question, for me you're just looking to bury Rodgers. Look I get it you hate him great, but he is still a top 3 qb, and the best chance this current team has of doing anything in the post season. One last thing in week 1 game if we switch Love for Rodger does anything really change?
jh9
November 07, 2021 at 06:59 pm
JL not ready for prime time sums it up. However, I’m proud of this team. The defense came to play. MC missed two field goals, and the Packers only lost by six points. Although the Chiefs won, the Packers came out of this game looking better. On to next week. GPG!
jeremyjjbrown
November 07, 2021 at 08:28 pm
The thing that bothers me about Love isn't the inability to deal with the blitz, but his horrible accuracy for 3 quarters. At least he made nice throws in Q4, but he was way off on even most of the easy throws before.
Johnblood27
November 07, 2021 at 08:37 pm
It was GAME ONE!!!
The interior OL was epically, historically awful.
MLF brain-farted a piss-poor game plan.
Jordan Love played better in his first game than many, many other QBs.
Lose the hate and try some objectivity.
lpirlot
November 07, 2021 at 06:59 pm
Lazard!!
stockholder
November 07, 2021 at 06:59 pm
Just stop bitching about Rodgers. How many TEs do we need? -- Bob Tonyan! The whole middle of the field was open. Just No respect for Love. Slayton must play! Move Clark.
Alberta_Packer
November 07, 2021 at 07:13 pm
Move Clark? Many have tried - all have failed.
stockholder
November 07, 2021 at 07:16 pm
Thats True. But Clark needs help
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 07:36 pm
Today he watched and we did well
Alberta_Packer
November 07, 2021 at 07:38 pm
He truly does. I often wonder what the D-line could be with an another A List lineman.
Johnblood27
November 07, 2021 at 08:39 pm
Slaton looked OK, it is time to get the kid some snaps with Clark and Lowry.
I am pretty much done with the Keke experiment. He is a waste of time.
At least Lancaster plugs things up a bit.
Alberta_Packer
November 07, 2021 at 10:05 pm
Yes, sadly, KeKe appears to be the latest in the line of high hopes- low impact D linemen - soon to join Justin Harrell, Jerel Worthy, Datone Jones, Montravious Adams ... Upon reflection, it seems that the Packers have generally sucked at drafting D linemen.
croatpackfan
November 08, 2021 at 04:03 am
Or maybe in developing them, not at drafting them?
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 10:25 pm
Keke had 2 sacks in AZ and has been steadily improving after a poor start. Concussions might do him in though.
Alberta_Packer
November 07, 2021 at 11:55 pm
I think that he's had 2 or 3 since he's been drafted. Suggests a shortened NFL career. Also it may affect his play. Having played hockey, I've seen how multiple concussions can affect and influence a player's career.
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November 07, 2021 at 10:26 pm
You make little sense except yes folks should let Rodgers speak for himself and stop complaining about things they don't like about The Man that brought their favorite team nearly 2 decades of awesomeness.
Gee
November 08, 2021 at 10:02 am
The Man as great as he is, totally dropped the ball on this one. Yeah yeah before anything else remember, Cole Beasley and Kirk D Cousins, both took their lumps back in August about their opinions on Covid vac. If he just got ahead of it back then it would all be gone, by now.
LeotisHarris
November 07, 2021 at 07:00 pm
Seeing Steve Spagnuolo on the sidelines gave me flashbacks that included Tom Coughlin’s hideous frostbitten face. It was bad, man.
That Packers defense will hit ya. When was the last time we could say that?
I had myself thinking 14-13 win right up until Mahomes found Hill. Damn delusions.
Andy Reid looked a bit slimmer to me. Ivermectin?
The thought of the kid having the keys to the car was a lot more fun than watching the kid drive the car. Still, he didn’t crash it even though the roads were bad at times. I wish he could have driven one more time today.
Special teams. Jesus Christ!
Heartbreaking loss for the Minnesota NFL franchise today in OT. #skolol
Bring on the Seahawks. Preferably with 12 under center, but if the kid has to go again I hope we run the ball more.
Thegreatreynoldo
November 07, 2021 at 07:14 pm
14 targets for Adams out of 32 attempts and 39 drop backs. Cobb with 5, Dillon 4, Aaron Jones held 43 times, and WRs with 2 for MVS, 1 for Lazard. So, the preponderance and/or dependence on Adams as the WR remains despite a change at QB. 39 drop backs and 20 runs. ration is the same and wrong. It was 18 to 12 at one point, but passed a lot in the 4th quarter.
I was going to nitpick your description of Love, but I think it is actually pretty good. Not sure if Love could not see that he had to adjust the protection or if there simply weren't enough hats to put one on each KC rusher. Loads of defenders rushing Love and sometimes it seemed like there was one more rusher than blocker available.
Johnblood27
November 07, 2021 at 08:42 pm
Has anyone here EVER heard of a 2-back set?????
Love would have been much better off with both Jones and Dillon in the backfield on the majority of snaps.
Both for run deception, lead blocking and blitz pick-up as well as outlet targets.
WTF was MLF thinking with that stinkeroo of a game plan???
Oppy
November 07, 2021 at 09:26 pm
TO be fair (but maybe not to forgive), I wonder how much of the Stinkeroo game plan is because this game plan had been developed for Aaron Rodgers to play the KC Chiefs since AT LEAST the day after the AZ game.
That's a full 8 days before the Packers knew they had lost Rodgers and would have to start Love, who would have been running the scout team, pretending to be Mahomes, studying KC Plays.
Starting Wednesday morning, that means MLF and staff had Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday to rehash their entire gameplan, get Love up to speed, and not completely throw away all the work the entire team had put into practicing whatever the original play concepts were for the previous 7 days. I'm assuming there's no time for practice on Saturday- maybe an AM walk through- as it's probably considered a pure travel day.
That's a massive stress on the game planning, coaching, practice and preparation.
Todd
November 07, 2021 at 09:45 pm
Good point. The game plan seemed to make little sense for Love, but thinking back on it, it probably would have lined up fine with Rodgers. And if Rodgers was playing, KC wouldn’t have been blitzing constantly.
croatpackfan
November 08, 2021 at 04:17 am
AR was tested positive on Tuesday, October, 3rd, and he was not allowed to practice Wednesday, Thursday and Friday nor to have the game next 10 days and can return on Saturday if he will have 2 consecutive days of negative PCR test. As you know that was to short time to generate new game plan, and what I was able to pick up from MLF public conferences was that they went through the plan with Jordan Love and find out which plays he would like to execute and for which he is not sure they will suits him. After that they needed to share that changes with players and quickly establish reduced plan.
But none counts on the just terrible OL exhibition and constant blitzing with more than 2 players in blitz. Changing personnel on the field (like start to play with 2 RB) without preparation is desperate move and with new QB at the helm with low chances of success.
stormin
November 07, 2021 at 07:53 pm
Heartbreaking for the Queens,great !!
mbpacker
November 07, 2021 at 07:04 pm
Nags- Your gut and my gut couldn't agree more on every point you made. I loved( no pun intended) how we competed, didn't back down, kept plugging away even though things were not going our way on O and ST. With all that we made a game of it. Like our depth! I don't want to hear MLF at the podium say he needed to stick with the run longer, etc. , etc,.
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 07:41 pm
I was about to post the same thought. Darn, hate to agree with Nagler entirely.
Johnblood27
November 07, 2021 at 08:44 pm
Then dont agree.
He completely whiffed on the putrid play of the interior OL.
Newman-HORRIBLE!
Patrick - HORRIBLE!
Runyon - HORRIBLE!
where was Braden? Hanson? Buehler? Buehler? Buehler?
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 10:30 pm
Hanson played some snaps when Runyon was down. Braden was not elevated I think. I will defer to more detailed analysis, but I agree that the O line were soundly bested, although LaFleur did them no favors.
Wenis
November 07, 2021 at 07:01 pm
Special Teams have been atrocious for the last 20 years, absolutely no accountability and our ST coaches know it and it shows.
They look like a Shawn Slocumb squad.
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 07:38 pm
I’d take slocumbe back in a shot
Doofapotamus
November 07, 2021 at 07:03 pm
Love wasn't great, that's no secret. But he did enough to have won today. He made plays when he wasn't being blitzed with 7 guys against a line that gave him little to no help. Three plays in a row, Royce Newman let his man run straight through at Love. Can't win a game with that. He also drove into FG range, twice, only to have the new long snapper and holder botch both snaps causing Crosby to miss. On top of that, Rodgers looks lost again on punt returns after muffing one and he misread a kick allowing his teammate to be subjected to the other gaff that allowed the Chiefs to grab the ball at the 9. That's a 9 point swing. Also, Lafleur, please stop calling screen passes. They get blown up every single time.
Swisch
November 07, 2021 at 07:08 pm
Good perspective, Doofapotamus.
Doofapotamus
November 07, 2021 at 07:18 pm
I try to look at the big picture. Love didn't play his best, that's no secret. But who else could've done more with that? He had little help from his line, a disastrous implosion from his ST and awful field position all day. Numerous drives started inside their own 20 and a scary amount inside the 15.
Swisch
November 07, 2021 at 07:41 pm
I didn't see a lot of Packers receivers running wide open, and Love not throwing to them or throwing off target.
Even if Love was off a little in his accuracy, he may also have been forced to try some difficult throws.
That's an intriguing question for analysis this week. Did Love miss a lot of good opportunities, or did Love not have a lot of good opportunities?
Cubbygold
November 07, 2021 at 07:50 pm
Saw that love was something like 13/17 for 160 yards on plays where he wasn't blitzed, but far worse and only 30 yards when the blitz was on.
So I suspect that any missed plays were split second decisions and not wide open guys
dobber
November 07, 2021 at 08:09 pm
You'll notice the blitz almost always came up the gut. They weren't coming from the edge.
Doofapotamus
November 08, 2021 at 07:45 am
That's because they know to exploit Royce Newman and Lucas Patrick. All I can say is that if we have them on the field against the Rams, Donald is gonna have 8 sacks. It won't matter who's playing QB.
Gee
November 08, 2021 at 10:06 am
Well that and Chris Jones is awesome. ugh
Cubbygold
November 07, 2021 at 07:44 pm
Agree. Not easy to go on the road and win in the NFL, yet better ST play could have allowed Jordan Love to do that in his first career start. Could tell he had some nerves early on (isn't KC the loudest stadium in the league?) and there were multiple plays blown up by poor blocking.
All in all, lots of good things to build off of and nice to get that experience before gute and mgmt make that massive decision this off-season.
cinpackback
November 07, 2021 at 08:03 pm
Exactly
Rossonero
November 07, 2021 at 08:12 pm
Agreed. I don't know many NFL QBs - including Rodgers - who could handle pressure in their face like Love was getting tonight. What was disappointing was the game plan from LaFleur. Going in, I expected more from him: 2 step drops, quick slants, and lots of ground and pound. Dillon and Jones had a good night, but whenever things got going, LaFleur decided to suddenly start passing.
Special teams was a nightmare, the D looked championship caliber, which is amazing considering Stokes, Alexander, Z'Darius Smith and later on Kenny Clark left.
Cubbygold
November 07, 2021 at 07:02 pm
Love didn't play better than Rodgers would have, therefore he's garbage and we should fire everyone
mbpacker
November 07, 2021 at 07:43 pm
Does that include Rodgers who got us into this mess? I hope he was comfortable drinking his scotch while watching the game he should have been playing in. Maybe he should forfeit his single game pay.
Bearmeat
November 07, 2021 at 08:46 pm
Yup
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November 07, 2021 at 10:30 pm
You remember that mess you got into and you keep blaming other people for? I do
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 07:43 pm
Well, maybe Drayton
croatpackfan
November 08, 2021 at 04:24 am
I will repeat part of my post for you only, just to see that Jordan Love, after all played batter that AR in the similar situation:
"You want comparison Aaron Rodgers - Jordan Love? Lets talk like this:
Packers at Saints 3 - 38 - AR stats: 15/28 133 yards 0 TD 2 INT / J. Love: 5/7 68 yards 0 TD 0 INT
Packers at Chiefs 7 - 13 - AR stats: Arrogant Liar / J. Love: 19/34 190 yards 1 TD 1 INT
Packers at Saints QBR: 36.7 AR, 102.1 JL
Packers at Chiefs QBR: 69.5
Similar games where Packers OL did next to nothing and Packers QB was under constant pressure. So tell me, who has better statistics?
Dr.Rodgers
November 08, 2021 at 07:44 am
The comparison is irrelevant. Team sport involves the entire team, so maybe you should compare each player to their 2021 counterpart. If we were to follow your comparison to its logical end, shouldn’t we conclude then that Love will have a better career than Rodgers, and of course the opposite could be true because the comparison really doesn’t mean anything. Imagine if Love had to face Brady and the Bucs.
MainePackFan
November 07, 2021 at 07:03 pm
* All due respect. Aaron Rodgers never sucked as bad Love did tonight. Hopefully, he leaned some lessons about reading a defense.
* Packers D was lights out
* The running game will only work if there is a reasonable fear of the pass. There wasn't.
* Is there any doubt that the packers would have dominated this game if Aaron Rodgers started.
* the NFL has done a piss poor job of handling this whole Covid situation.
Bitternotsour
November 07, 2021 at 07:06 pm
you apparently missed Rodgers first two seasons.
edp1959
November 07, 2021 at 07:08 pm
Aaron Rodgers won his first start.
Irish_Cheesehead
November 07, 2021 at 07:27 pm
In his 4th season
edp1959
November 07, 2021 at 07:57 pm
No, his first start. 2008 vs Vikings. Statistics: 18/22 for 178 yards and 1 TD. Result: W 24 to 19. Look it up Skippy.
jeremyjjbrown
November 07, 2021 at 08:36 pm
His 4th season was 2008.
https://www.nfl.com/players/aaron-rodgers/stats/career
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November 07, 2021 at 10:38 pm
The dude was talking about his first start there guy. Clean the crap outta your ears there Joey. AR12's first START was as he said in 2008 against the Vikes. You're misleading info like the mainstream media losers do.
Oppy
November 07, 2021 at 10:51 pm
Uh, hey, Joey (2021 Buick)-
Yeah, his first start.. it was in 2008.. Rodgers' 4th season. What's the issue?
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November 07, 2021 at 11:10 pm
That's literally what I said so there is no issue for me. Aaron Rodgers first start was in 2008 against the Vikes like I said, and like the person said whom I was defending. No issues for me. Go Pack! (I guess my Joey comment could've been taken wrong but it's meant to be a playful colloquialism from the great folk satire band "Da Yoopers"...sorry inside joke after having a few beers...no harm intented)
Oppy
November 07, 2021 at 11:13 pm
Totally misread the dialogue. MAny apologies.
..and never apologize for a few beers
badaxed
November 08, 2021 at 07:44 am
Let'ss go brandon
NickPerry
November 08, 2021 at 05:23 am
Your right his first start. He also had 3 FULL seasons behind Brett Farve, 4 OTAS, 4 FULL training camps, and 4 FULL preseasons before "HIS FIRST START"...Skippy.
Oh, and on top of ALL of that a full week of practices before that first start. That Defensive Coordinator has 3 SB trophies as a DC. You don't think that had a little something to do wit it?
seattlepackersfan
November 07, 2021 at 07:24 pm
Rodgers was literally worse in the 1st game of THIS season. He has many, many games worse than Love played tonight.
RC20
November 07, 2021 at 07:27 pm
The NFL has done nothing on the Covid front, yea they should have but the hammer is in motion now.
Its not Loves job at this point to read a defense, its his job to execute a hand off or a pass and its the coaches job to call the right plays to get that.
Screens sucked and no adjust. You saw some of what did work (roll out, quick pass). Love was rushed too many time (Rogers would not have stood a chance if he was rushed like that).
I don't know if Love will be a good QB or not, but he was let down by LaFleur which is LaFluer MO.
GP1
November 07, 2021 at 08:16 pm
Aaron Rogers in 2005 had a passer rating of 39.8
Love may or may not be good, great, terrible; but just like D. Adams he will need time to develop and show us what is possible.
People were not happy with Rogers or Adams early in their careers but they worked out.
Oppy
November 07, 2021 at 09:46 pm
Yeah, Love was the worst tonight:
CMP / ATT / YDS / CMP% /AVG / TD / INT / LNG / SACK / RTG
15 / 28 / 133 / 53.6% / 4.8 / 0 / 2 / 31 / 1 / 36.8
Compared to Rodgers' worst ever Game:
CMP / ATT / YDS / CMP% /AVG / TD / INT / LNG / SACK / RTG
19 / 34 / 190 / 55.9% / 5.6 / 1 / 1 / 35 / 1 / 69.5
Whoops, I got those switched around. The top was Aaron Rodgers, NFL MVP, 17 year vet, First Ballot HOF QB shoe-in, week 1, 2021, with a full preseason to prepare for the opener.
The bottom one was Jordan Love, tonight, first NFL start ever, with three days to prepare to play in the NFL's most hostile environment on the road.
GTFOWTS.
croatpackfan
November 08, 2021 at 04:26 am
Read statistic from the 1st week this season!
Maybe you'll change your mind?
Stic
November 07, 2021 at 07:03 pm
More injuries dont bode well to expect the defense play with any consistency.
packerbackerjim
November 07, 2021 at 07:03 pm
Mo Drayton needs to do something besides getting angry with his not so special teams. Hell, everyone else does too. Dillon had too few touches as did Jones. Reminded me of MM, and not in a good way.
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 07:46 pm
Walk?
Irish_Cheesehead
November 07, 2021 at 07:05 pm
Love is going to be fine. He did some good things today. People seem to forget that after sitting for three years, Rodgers went 6-10 his first year as a starter. Special teams, on the other hand, needs some serious work.
stockholder
November 07, 2021 at 07:19 pm
I disagree. To many Air Balls. He missed badly. The packers did not convert a 3rd down, until 7 minutes were on the clock.
Minniman
November 07, 2021 at 08:41 pm
Id’ve loved to see the odd MVS go route - but I don’t think line gave him enough time
Cubbygold
November 07, 2021 at 07:20 pm
Yup, all the ST miscues changed the momentum of the game and allowed KC to blitz more frequently. Give the guy more than 2 days to prepare and this game ends very differently
Gman1976
November 07, 2021 at 07:06 pm
1. Love our D & running game.
2. Hate special teams (please hire coach who can do the job), King's drop of an easy interception, Newman's penalties, and Leflure's inability to adjust to the blitz.
Packers0808
November 07, 2021 at 07:09 pm
Trade Love for used pack of chewing gum! That way he could stick something together!
RC20
November 07, 2021 at 07:29 pm
You don't know nottin about football. Brand new QB you adjust to him, not make him try to adjust to and fix the bad game plannings.
Packers0808
November 07, 2021 at 07:40 pm
Glad you think that, because you know nothing about me and I what I did for many years, hint had to do with football!
Johnblood27
November 07, 2021 at 08:49 pm
You must have been fired a bunch of times.
4thandinches
November 07, 2021 at 10:40 pm
So we lose both Love and the gum?
jhtobias
November 07, 2021 at 07:10 pm
Bigger picture than the L is Kenny Clark and Erik Stokes if they are seriously hurt big big problem.
With a little better Accuracy Love will learn from this great composure I thought
O-line was terrible, but offensive game plan was worse
Special teams is beyond a clown show and it finally costs us a game not Love
The world is not falling until we get some injury updates
Since'61
November 07, 2021 at 07:13 pm
An absolutely brilliant defensive effort was wasted because Rodgers behaved like a chooch. Had he played the Packers would have won this game easily. The Chiefs do not look like an Andy Reid coached team at all.
Jordan Love has a long way to go.
STs are an embarrassment. MLF has done a great job so far but I don’t understand how he allows the ST situation to continue.
OL probably played their poorest game since the Saints game.
Rodgers may be a chooch but he obviously covers up numerous issues with the team especially the ST gaffes.
GPG! Thanks, Since ‘61
Thegreatreynoldo
November 07, 2021 at 07:22 pm
Yup. Be careful what you wish for, folks.
It was foreseeable that the OL would play their worst game. They were just pinning their ears back all game and often enough overloaded one side, and everyone knew that would be KC's game plan. As it happens, GB averaged 4.9 yards per carry, and that was without any really big runs. Consistently got positive yards: very disappointed in LaFleur since GB could have just pounded the rock.
4thand1
November 07, 2021 at 07:58 pm
Should have been Bo Shembeckler, 4 yards and a cloud of dust all game.
LeotisHarris
November 07, 2021 at 08:24 pm
You're a yard too generous, friend, and it was Woody Hayes.
Johnblood27
November 07, 2021 at 08:51 pm
Woody was 3.
Bo was 4.
Hence the MIchigan ownership during that era...
OSU getting revenge on the Khaki though!
LeotisHarris
November 07, 2021 at 09:30 pm
I did not know that about Bo, thanks, JB.
And, I sit corrected, 4thand1, eating crow with egg on my face. Apologies for my ignorance.
4thand1
November 08, 2021 at 07:06 am
No problem Leotis. I used to call him boring Bo, but he won.
KurtMc
November 07, 2021 at 07:17 pm
Love is trash. His mechanics were all wrong. Poor decision making & he looked like he’d never seen a blitz before. My Gosh, what has he been doing since in GB?? Diva 12 didn’t look that bad in his first or second game.
MLF certainly didn’t help when running game was effective then allowing JL to throw deep? Three times in a row??
A real wasted effort from the D we all have been roasting. Missing Clark, no less.
A winnable game lost. HopeThe Titans can knock off LA.
Irish_Cheesehead
November 07, 2021 at 07:32 pm
You must have forgotten how atrocious Rodgers' mechanics were when he was drafted. That's why there are coaches.
RC20
November 07, 2021 at 07:32 pm
You try to make a decision when you have 5 people down your throat.
Bad game plan, and it all goes back to LaFleur for the Rogers debacle and the game plan egg he laid which is his MO and his inability to adjust.
There should have been 3 options, KC stops run, KC rushes QB, KC Plays normal. You clearly can see the QB rush option. You counter that with runs and quick pass and roll outs. You don't try to have a rookie QB fix you shitty game plan.
Johnblood27
November 07, 2021 at 08:52 pm
Lay it down RC20!
THESZOTMAN1
November 07, 2021 at 07:18 pm
I have never one of those "FIRE the Coach" guys ....... But it's time: Our Special Teams Coaches have GOT to go. Now. All year the critics have been saying: "One of these days, STs will cost us a game." That prophecy has now come true. Inexcusable!
Sorry, had to vent.
The Szotman
RC20
November 07, 2021 at 07:19 pm
Fire LaFleur to! This is far from the first time he has laid an egg game plan wise and this loss is on him as he enabled Rogers into his Covid.
Johnblood27
November 07, 2021 at 08:55 pm
Dude, you cannot be serious about MLF.
This was his first game with JLove. Therefore his first game where he could control the gameplan and plays like he should be able to. JLove is still a raw rookie.
Give them time to grow together.
...and get an actual living person at G and C instead of the ineffective speed bumps that were wearing Packer jerseys today.
croatpackfan
November 08, 2021 at 04:36 am
Johnblood27, unfortunately that was not plan for Jordan Love as QB. That was plan for AR as QB, but after the event they just tried to adjust the plan to Love. It doesn't work. There was no time to prepare a new plan, as you have to get whole offense to the plan, and offense had already walk through practice on Tuesday with original plan.
I agree that Jordan Love tried to do the best and his effort was not always with the best ending, but we saw that he is sure thrower when he has time (up to 3 sec) to throw from clean pocket.
I have only one complain on his target choice - it was pass to sideline to Cobb in the end zone while he had wide open MVS between 20 and 15 yard line in the middle of the field for easy TD.
MAS
November 07, 2021 at 07:50 pm
Agree time for a coaching change
Can’t get worse
RC20
November 07, 2021 at 07:18 pm
As usual when they loose its the bad game plan and failure to have alternatives and adjust by LaFleur (the same guy who enabled Rogers into the Vaccine debacle). Green Bay can do a whole lot better Coach wise than LaFleur who is not the laughing stock of the NFL (along with Rogers being the laughing stock of the nation)
You could see that KC went to rushing a new QB (big surprise). GB had good running game and they needed the quick pass option for Love to get some time.
Love did ok. Not great, but ok. Nice pass to Lizard (and a really nice move by Lizard after the catch) .
Defense did good and the fact they had no relief were on the field all too much.
dobber
November 07, 2021 at 08:07 pm
Packers actually won TOP 31:33 to 28:27.
Gman1976
November 07, 2021 at 09:06 pm
That’s a surprise. To little to show for having the ball so long.
LeotisHarris
November 07, 2021 at 09:40 pm
It's often to little to late when we loose.
Oppy
November 07, 2021 at 11:10 pm
That's some grade A subtle shade, Leotis.
Like always, I like your style :)
Gee
November 08, 2021 at 10:12 am
So we down vote stats now... interesting
BAMABADGER
November 07, 2021 at 07:18 pm
Positives: Excellent D, Love stats (other than the pick) were better than Mahommies, running game was very good but as always lost for stretches by MLF.
Negatives: ST as always and ST coaching. Management decision making.... Cutting our long snapper when a big game like KC is this week. Do that when you play the Lions/Bears. MLF losing track of the run, not using Love's running ability as an offensive component, and MLF not being prepare with plays to quickly handle the blitz packages that Spagnuolo always dials up when he smells blood.
Even with Love's inexperience this game could have been won or at least gone to TO. Looking forward to next week and progress with Love's game execution.
SJEC
November 07, 2021 at 07:19 pm
Not sure what can be done about special teams at this point in the year, but man, that phase is going to cost us much bigger games than the one today.
Jordan was suspect, but tough to accurately gauge what he’s got when the o-line performs the way it did in this game.
When we know that KC is bringing the heat consistently, where is the scheme to slow that down? MLF did not do the young QB any favors today…
badaxed
November 08, 2021 at 11:01 pm
Since the kick/punt returners cannot catch the ball, rush all 11 on punts and let the ball go into the end zone on kickoffs (that is what they mostly do anyway. Mmm lesss see one kickoff return for TD in 20 years. Pathetic.
GoldenRetriever
November 07, 2021 at 09:45 pm
Since recent Packers coaches have seemed incapable of hiring a professionally competent ST coach, maybe they should delegate the selection of the next one to the fans in a popular vote. We couldn’t do any worse.
BAMABADGER
November 07, 2021 at 07:22 pm
Learn from Belichick, who typically uses several starters on special teams.
Gman1976
November 07, 2021 at 09:09 pm
Our coach originally tried to hire a man known for his great special teams play, but someone in the front office didn’t want to pay him. Instead, we keep hiring within and get the same result.
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 10:39 pm
I think that was Ball and salary
Alberta_Packer
November 07, 2021 at 07:23 pm
Not quite at the point of selling my Jordan Love stock but thinking that I should have shorted it (symbol - JL??)
Bure9620
November 07, 2021 at 07:28 pm
Special Teams Matter Folks, they just do, Alot.
This loss is on Lefleur IMO. Did not run the ball enough, even though Dillon was balling.... Didn't move the pocket enough... Our Pass Pro was shit. MLF did not adjust to the Blitz well at all..Rodgers isn't your QB!
Change protection! ....People will say Love wasn't good, I thought he was fine..Not great but not bad either.
He didn't handle the blitz well but that is more on our coach ..You can win games with him....Special Teams...yeah.......They're Special
Starrbrite
November 07, 2021 at 07:59 pm
I say this every week concerning special teams.
egbertsouse
November 07, 2021 at 07:26 pm
Gutey could have kept DeShone Kizer and not wasted a1st and 4th. Same guy. That being said, LaFleur did nothing to help the kid with that bizarre game plan.
Defense was great. STs was awful. Drayton should be looking for a job on Monday. He is what you get when you fire a crap coach and then hire his assistant. Ron Zook 2.0.
Difer
November 07, 2021 at 07:29 pm
Wow. What a difference a week makes.
Packerfansupreme
November 07, 2021 at 07:29 pm
I'm starting to wonder if lafleur is overrated as a coach. I feel like his win loss record is cause he has had rodgers. But his gameplan for this game with love absolutely sucked
RC20
November 07, 2021 at 07:34 pm
LaFluer sucks as a coach let alone leader of the team.
Its far from his first crappy game plan and no adjusting.
And he let Rogers get into the position he did and Rogers missing is all on him as well.
You could see Love did well when he had the right calls, but Love cannot fix the game plan.
Irish_Cheesehead
November 07, 2021 at 07:55 pm
After one game? lol
barutanseijin
November 07, 2021 at 09:53 pm
Not the first time LaFleur has stunk.
Gopack12
November 07, 2021 at 07:29 pm
Extend Rodgers now.. after a year and a half of development love is still a massive project.. what are we crazy, we have the best QB in the league with at least 5 great years left and we want to let him go for a massive project that may never pan out.. this is a no brainer
RC20
November 07, 2021 at 07:36 pm
I have had enough of Rogers and his clown drama and gross stupidty me first in love with himself.
This is Loves first game, none of us did better the first time we were put up at the pointy end of the spear.
edp1959
November 07, 2021 at 07:45 pm
Who gives a rats ass what you have had enough of.
Gopack12
November 07, 2021 at 07:58 pm
If we send off Rodgers in favor of love, we will be a mediocre team… that’s all you have to do is listen to the bears and Viking fans , they are praying for this to happen
stockholder
November 07, 2021 at 08:22 pm
Seems the patriots thought Brady needed to leave too.
GP1
November 07, 2021 at 08:25 pm
How do you work out the Rogers has 5 bears left. Brady is a one off not the new normal.
Rogers is talented but he needs 2.8 seconds to get a good pass away. That number gets longer each year.
Love will get better and Rogers will get worse. the trick is working out where that intersection is.
Gopack12
November 07, 2021 at 09:01 pm
If we don’t commit to rodgers now long term he is gone and love certainly is not ready and who knows if he ever will be.. Rodgers is the most talented qb in NFL history, do you see a drop of in talent this year, what makes you think he can’t do it for at least 5 more years.. besides , he can decline every year for 5 years and still be better than love will ever be.. also not sure what you are talking about with a slow release, rodgers has one of the quickest release in the game, not to mention the ability to process what a defense is doing better than any other qb in the league.. here’s to 5 more years at the top of the NFC
Bure9620
November 07, 2021 at 09:21 pm
Right and Rodgers will be great forever?? Hes has not been insanely great this year either...we have the ran the ball and played defense..
Gopack12
November 07, 2021 at 09:40 pm
We know what we have in rodgers, playoffs ever year, one of the top teams in the conf every year, mvp candidate qb ever year.. why would you want to give that up for what we all saw tonight.. are you a closet Vikings fan or something?
barutanseijin
November 08, 2021 at 03:20 pm
Because Rodgers will have to buy tickets to go to another Super Bowl. His weakness of mind catches up to him in the playoffs. His arm only takes him so far.
As for the emVeePee award, Rodgers was not in the eMVeePee conversation at the end of the McCarthy years, because he was either hurt or didn’t play well enough to merit it. He won’t even sniff an MVP this year, because, again, he’s not playing well enough to be in the conversation. He got benched for Love in Week 1 ferchrissakes!
Bure9620
November 07, 2021 at 08:40 pm
Rodgers was quite rough in year 2 as well if you remember....It is quite unfair to compare Love in his very first start to a 17 year veteran. Compare him to other young QBs
Gopack12
November 07, 2021 at 09:12 pm
How about Justin Herbert and Joe Borrow taken in the same draft.. they are both light years better than love
Bure9620
November 07, 2021 at 09:22 pm
Yes they are currently ahead of him, also many more reps, so not a great comparison. Not light years. Love has played 1 game where they brought endless presure......
Gopack12
November 07, 2021 at 09:30 pm
Reps? ….They both started from day 1 and took the league by storm and that was without a year and and a half of development
Oppy
November 07, 2021 at 11:07 pm
..but with 100% of the QB1 snaps, with 1st and 2nd team offense, which is.. umm.. like almost all of the snaps in training camp, preseason, and weekly practice.
Back ups get scarce snaps outside of scout team.
Bure9620
November 08, 2021 at 12:13 am
Yes, in Practice
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 10:41 pm
Lol, it’s ironic, they lambasted TT and Rodgers with the same type of comparative.
Gee
November 08, 2021 at 10:28 am
So true and you add Favre almost going to a super bowl with the hated Viks, Rodgers and TT were under heat from certain fans. First for me this was Rodgers last year, even before this Covid issue. I include Adams and one of if not both Smith brothers as gone. Plus side they will have the cap room to better surround Love, in his first full year as starter. Add in the play book will be for him, so I'm excited for his future. Still I'm going to cheer the hell out of this team, cause nothing better then an all or nothing, season with a first ballot HoF qb and F.O that went for them all in. Bring on the Hawks
splitpea1
November 07, 2021 at 08:36 pm
Barry and his defense should be given platinum medals for keeping us hanging in there for over 58 minutes....
On the ground, we averaged nearly 5 yards per attempt on 25 carries. Not enough carries!
Give credit to Spagnuolo for calling the perfect anti-Love defense. But the middle of the field was often wide open, and we didn't take advantage. I'm surprised MLF didn't call a few plays where Love had the option of taking off. I also wouldn't have been overly upset if Bortles had replaced Love after the drive stalled again the the early third quarter; this was a VERY winnable game. No shame in giving way to a veteran here for a team with big postseason aspirations.
Tonyan being out hurt--might have helped tremendously on a couple of occasions.
Great duck by Lazard to give Love his first TD pass.
Special teams: We've been playing with fire all season long, and we finally got burned--a few times. Memo to Packer organization for the off-season: You need to be in hot and heavy pursuit for an experienced kick returner(s), have a robust kicker competition, and maybe you're ready to change your tune about the collective play of the ST unit; enough to consider drafting and hiring accordingly. For right now, at least get the snaps and holds right.
Coldworld
November 07, 2021 at 07:48 pm
Tonyan was missed over the middle and chipping
Johnblood27
November 07, 2021 at 09:02 pm
Tonyan sucks at chipping. He is a finesse guy and plays SOFT.
There was no time for Tonyan to get open, the line just plain sucked.
MLF needed to feature a 2-back set on almost every down. Running and Passing.
dobber
November 07, 2021 at 07:55 pm
Don't forget that 5 of those carries were Love scrambles...and he averaged over 5 ypc, too. Unforgivable that they gave up on the run through the middle 2 quarters.
Kept waiting for the Packers to start rolling the pocket, cutting the field down for Love, making it easier for him. Never happened.
The OL never looked good in protection, and it was made worse by KC regularly sending 2 or 3 extra guys. Love seemed unwilling to leave the pocket and could never step up.
splitpea1
November 07, 2021 at 08:34 pm
He shouldn't have been trying to do any of those fancy back shoulder throws with Adams, either. That AR-DA specialty has probably been rehearsed countless times.
Not being an apologist, but going from an extremely accomplished QB to a fresh rookie under center is an enormous gap to bridge for MLF.
barutanseijin
November 08, 2021 at 03:22 pm
They drafted a horrible punter and an erratic ling snapper a couple year’s ago. I would suggest going the free agent route next time.
PackerGravy
November 07, 2021 at 07:32 pm
Jordan Love played scared all day. At 22 he’s still 2-3 years away and he’s going to catch a lot of crap yes. But that’s why he’s paid the big QB bucks.
And how bad is the Packers special teams, wow! Bring back uncle fester!
Well now for all of you that wanted Rodgers gone and Love as the starter, here you go, here’s the future.
MLF doesn’t look too smart with Aaron Rodgers out does he.
Depressing loss indeed, not a lot of bright spots and the to lose Clark and Stokes, I need a double bourbon neat, now!
ND
A New Era
November 07, 2021 at 07:35 pm
Our special teams let us down again and arguably cost us the game. What a surprise! Why does this continue to haunt the Packers over and over, year after year, coordinator after coordinator?? Sadly, Crosby is not Mr. Automatic anymore and I worry about his declining performances.
Like everyone, I was rooting for Jordan Love to show us at least something special, a wow play here and there to show that he was worthy of trading up in the first round for but, nope. In his first three quarters he got a D or a D+. Then, he rallied with a B- in the fourth quarter to bring his grade up to a C-. Yeah, I know Adams and Gary had rough starts, so we shouldn't give up on the kid... but I'm definitely underwhelmed.
Having said that, what's up with Mahomes? He sure didn't look like a former MVP!
Maybe some of it was our defense. Great job by this unit and I'm turning into a believer. Hope Clark's okay!
Bottom line is that this game didn't hurt us too badly. Losing a road game to an AFC opponent is the least harmful loss you can have. Gaining confidence in a defense could almost be worth it.
Nice to see Dallas and especially New Orleans, which has the tie breaker over us, lose.
7-2 and in the thick of it, with proportionately more home games coming up, and hopefully Rodgers coming back. I like our chances!
RC20
November 07, 2021 at 07:37 pm
When Love had plays that were in his wheelhouse he did good.
Its the garbage game plan and sideline calls. Love can't fix LaFleur stupidity.
4thand1
November 07, 2021 at 07:37 pm
Dillon and Jones should have had 20 touches each. Keep pounding the rock in a close game. Crosby's hair got grayer, WTF. ST's clown show, MLF got outcoached again. He got outcoached against the Cardinals. The defense is legit! Love had to start in one of the toughest stadiums in the NFL to play in, for a veteran even. AR got hosed there during the 15-1 season.
Jgilmor08
November 07, 2021 at 07:40 pm
Just an fyi for anyone saying Crosby should be gone remember it was the FO who released the long snapper mid season who had to that point snapped fairly solid IMO. Both field goals, the first miss and the block were poorly snapped. Both times the laces were facing the sidelines which is a no no. These long snappers are so precise on their spin that they get the ball to the holder/ punter ready to kick. Those weren’t Crosby’s fault.
Look around the league and you’ll see numerous teams having 50/50 miss or make kickers. With Rodgers able to lead the team down the field with minimal time left searching for a for sure less reliable kicker seems about as stupid as replacing the long snapper mid season who didn’t have a single bad snap on the season. What needs serious cleaning up is the right side of the line, TE and the wing on field goal, those guys have been pitiful. Whenever you give up a block along the interior it’s at least 3 to 3.5 yds of penetration. Need some guys with lead in their ass.
Irish_Cheesehead
November 07, 2021 at 08:04 pm
100% correct on the missed FGs, but those that don't understand football will blame those misses on the kicker.It was easy to see the laces were not correct on each of those kicks.
barutanseijin
November 08, 2021 at 03:25 pm
Nothing solid about Hunter Bradley. He was bad and a wasted draft pick.
albert999
November 07, 2021 at 07:48 pm
Middle of the field was so wide open all game. Lafleur can’t seem to adjust. Special teams coach has to go.
cpabandit
November 07, 2021 at 08:38 pm
So tired of hearing Kiersey wide open in the middle!
NitschkeFromTheGrave
November 07, 2021 at 08:26 pm
There is one person happy about special teams, Jordon Love thinking, "I was not good but I wasn't the train wreck that Special Teams was at least they will take some of the heat away from the memory of my play."
Very disappointed Love had no command of the offense, no spark, total inability to read defense. Too many of his passes were behind receivers or off completely. In general he appeared to be taking up space as a fill in and seemed lost. I really thought he had more "Game" in him than he does. Gut feeling from watching him in this game, he just doesn't seem to be a "play-maker". Play Makers get the job done and command respect.
Kudos to the packers D and keeping their positive improving game trajectory. Game well played.
Starrbrite
November 07, 2021 at 07:53 pm
The special teams fiascos are not a new phenomenon for the Packers; when are we going to become serious about improving them?
Last week the Chiefs blitzed on every play, we should have been more prepared for that situation.
As for the offense—-7 points—-seriously!?!?
fordguy
November 07, 2021 at 08:05 pm
The game was doomed from the start with Love checking out of run plays to passing ones.
FallingUpNow
November 07, 2021 at 08:14 pm
Love looks like a happy go lucky kid that’s just happy to be there. I would have liked to see him fired up and showing some emotion. Given that, he did ok. Wish they would have given him something effective against the blitz.
ST is a major problem, just put Cobb out there for punts and do something with Crosby. He seems too complacent.
Still, I blame this loss on Rodgers but am glad he’ll be back.
cpabandit
November 07, 2021 at 08:43 pm
Love did okay! Okay? This is a first round pick and you think he did okay? He was awful! I don't give a damn about it being his first game. You get over the nervousness after a few plays, no more than a few possessions. Grow the F*&k up Love! You've been watching and learning from the best for a year and a half, practiced with the players you played with today. No, Love was not okay. He doesn't and will never have it.
JordyWoodson
November 07, 2021 at 08:14 pm
Pack lost 13 to 7 with a missed FG and a blocked FG. This was our game to win. Disappointed. Love had more yards than Mahomes. Pack D played their ass off. Special teams, ugh. Breathe deep, and let's look forward to the seahawks.
mjbrogno
November 07, 2021 at 08:16 pm
I think the blame falls on our inept special teams period! Not on Jordan love who was making his first career or our offense game plan. Love was under constant pressure and it’s not easy running against a loaded box. We did run the ball consistently, but you to throw it as well, which we were unable to do. Special teams is a third of the game and we imploded again, this time it cost us a game.
cpabandit
November 07, 2021 at 08:49 pm
As bad as the Special Team was it was always that bad. No, the blame goes to the Diva Man Bun for being inoculated, for MLF not running the ball more, and absolutely to Love who is not a starting NFL QB, not a first rounder and is clearly after a year and a half watchig Rodgers, is uneducable.
Rossonero
November 07, 2021 at 08:27 pm
Extremely disappointing game plan from LaFleur. There were no adjustments to the countless blitzes, whenever the running game got going, he pivoted away from it inexplicably.
Love - he looked like a guy starting his first NFL game, but he certainly didn't get much help in the way of the game plan or the protection up front. No overreaction here - but he still needs some more incubator time behind #12. He was humble and owned his mistakes, he'll learn from this. Experience can be a brutal teacher, but it's the best one for him and he'll be better for it.
Special teams - Drayton's seat is going to get warm if they don't unfuck this FG unit and the return teams.
Defense - holy cow, what a night! Crunching tackles, stone walling their run game, not giving up big plays. Kudos to Joe Barry and his staff for having these guys ready to go. Even more impressive considering there was no Stokes, Alexander or Z'Darius Smith, plus Clark left later in the game.
The good news? In the NFC, the Saints and Cowboys lost. Sure, Arizona won, but we have the tiebreaker with them if it comes to that.
Cwilly
November 07, 2021 at 08:17 pm
Jordan love is not good. Why didn’t bortles play when your seeing a deer lost in the headlights. D is actually the best they’ve been in years. Rodgers cost the packers this game but not playing today and the future in Green Bay at qb isn’t good. This teams special teams did blow this game but the packers had this game if they could just move the ball. That’s on love and I can’t stand Rodgers screwing this team but he’s not the answer at qb. Hope they realize the mistake they made and figure out what’s next to make sure they are set at that position cuz this is the best d they’ve had in a long time.
NitschkeFromTheGrave
November 08, 2021 at 10:28 am
Let's see, Bortels got off the plane and signed Wednesday or Thursday, how many plays from the playbook do you think he would have even read a second time by the time the team was boarding for Kansas City ?
Comon Man !
chitter23
November 07, 2021 at 08:21 pm
Davante played like Rodgers told him he wouldn't ever get the ball from him again if he played well.
Fubared
November 07, 2021 at 09:17 pm
Funny, I thought the same. He is always covered like he lost all his speed. Did not see him free of a d back the entire game. Plus it seems like he just runs sideline routes. not impressed.
wildbill
November 07, 2021 at 08:25 pm
Many good points but am I wrong to think on some of our screen passes that’s it’s a penalty to just grab/ tackle the RB who the pass is going to? Screen passes is one way to slow down a pass rush and would have helped slow that rush to some extent. But any QB in his first start will see a lot of pressure until he shows he can handle it and make them pay.
LeotisHarris
November 07, 2021 at 09:53 pm
You're referring to the play on Aaron Jones, right? The officials huddled and decided to pick up the flag; "there was no holding on the play." The replay showed 33 was wrapped up and tackled as he moved to set up for the middle screen. That's holding.
Guam
November 08, 2021 at 07:48 am
The reason the officials picked up the flag was that Love faked a hand-off to Jones (play action) and the D-lineman then tackled Jones which is a legal play since Jones could have been the ball carrier. If Love hadn't faked the handoff to Jones, then it would have been holding. MLF outsmarted himself with the play action fake since it gave the defense a legal way to blow up the screen pass.
LeotisHarris
November 08, 2021 at 08:31 am
Gotcha, thanks
iamiz
November 07, 2021 at 09:05 pm
In addition to designing the gameplan around the run, we also needed fewer 7-step drop backs and "shotgun empty" looks, more screens and quick passes, and definitely a "hot receiver" for the blitzes. I just did not understand MLF/Hackett's gameplan at all.
4thand1
November 07, 2021 at 09:08 pm
R-e-l-a-x, remember week one? 7-2 ,1st place, got the seachickens in Lambeau.
Jgilmor08
November 07, 2021 at 09:09 pm
Everyone calling out Rodgers as being an idiot, just a quick question?
How exactly did Rodgers negatively impact anything by being unvaccinated? Oh for the safety of the team? Well then Adams is right there actually more considering his positive covid test impacted not only himself but Lazard for a game. By the way he’s vaccinated. So how exactly does being vaccinated benefit a team when a) you can still contract the virus b) still transmit the virus?
Rodgers played 25 games, 1.5 seasons, an entire playoffs, an nfl off season and two full training camps without once being the source of infecting someone or contracting it. What part of this am I not understanding? By the way fully vaxxed just choosing to look at info rather than bed time stories
GoldenRetriever
November 07, 2021 at 09:42 pm
I agree with you. But the Fauci lemmings control the narrative and if you don’t echo their talking points you will be crucified.
A New Era
November 08, 2021 at 12:06 am
Fauci lemmings? LOL. I suppose you've been listening to all the dumb ass wacko anti-vaxxer lemmings (hilariously, sometimes right wing Christian preachers) who catch Covid; get put on ventilators; croak, wheeze, sputter, and eventually whine; and then ignomaniously die.
Dr.Rodgers
November 08, 2021 at 08:06 am
Fuck off
Dr.Rodgers
November 08, 2021 at 10:46 am
I’ll go to you for all my pandemic advice since you know everything about viral infections, and Aaron Rodgers Covid status over the last 18 months. LOL.
Fubared
November 07, 2021 at 09:48 pm
This was Loves first non pre season game but he has played in many pre season games. Games you use to get the feel of game experience, try things, etc.
Love has two years of training camps, and practices and played college ball so he shouldnt have been that shell shocked by thisbreal game experience. Nervous sure but not knowing what to do?
IMO I thought he lacked arm strength, mobility and was slow of foot. Mentally he made some so so decisions but was under pressure.
Has a lot to work on. Rodgers needs to share more secrets with him.
ricky
November 07, 2021 at 09:44 pm
Love improved as the game progressed. Putting him under center rather than shotgun helped a lot. He settled down in the third quarter, and started throwing the ball instead of pushing it. LaFleur not sticking with the ground game? Inconceivable!
porupack
November 08, 2021 at 04:51 am
GB did have success with the ground game, true, but I think we all saw how KC rolled the dice by loading the box and blitzing all out, and believing Love would not connect beyond 5 yard dump off passes. Andy Reid saw it early and that confirmed his game plan. So GB still had to pose a semblence of a threat beyond dump off passes. All KC had to do was blanket their reciever for 3 seconds until the rush caused panic. Smart on KC. What MLF could have done was to have timed short routes, slants, outs. It seemed MLF started to do that in Q3 and that settled Love a bit.....7 for 7 on one drive I believe. That kind of passing strategy should hvae been done very early along with the run game....and that would have freed up the run game. Seems to me anyway.
keeley2
November 07, 2021 at 11:14 pm
Aaron I disagree - This was not a wasted defensive effort. Call it another lesson learned where you can take heart in the fact that the defense is fully capable of shutting down a top-flight offense (maybe a bit of a stretch here). But Jordan's reps will pay dividends later and he actually had a modicum of success at times. So, pray for Rodgers return this week and know that everybody got just a wee bit better after being coached up with Plan B. A win would have been great but with a pretty good size division lead and a loss to an AFC opponent doesn't really cost you all that much. GO PACK!
HaroldDrake
November 08, 2021 at 01:43 am
Jordan Love has slowest release of any QB in history while his passes lack velocity and accuracy. Welcome to the future, Packers' fans. Perhaps there's still time to pay Aaron Rodgers to stay at $45 million per year and a $1 million dollar bonus for regular de-worming treatments and a commitment to build a Zen monastery on Lombardi Avenue.
porupack
November 08, 2021 at 04:59 am
Pretty poor performance by Love. He was not set up well by MLF, as there should have been very prescribed short timed passes practiced all week, along with a good run plan (which they did that part well) and the first 20 plays all prescribed aka Holmgren, to reduce the need to think, until Love is settled. Should have been drilled in him all week to release the ball in 2.8 seconds. But hey, Love in his first game did way better than all the vets on Special Teams, so I give Love a participation award, whereas that ST group, a DNP bone.
porupack
November 08, 2021 at 05:00 am
Is Slocum back, and I miss something last week?
GregC
November 08, 2021 at 05:45 am
I know the Packers have never been happy about Hunter Bradley, but I never saw one of his snaps cost us points. The new guy has already cost us at least one field goal, and maybe two. It was weird to switch to a left-handed long snapper in the middle of the season.
Jordan Love was terrible and was a big disappointment, mostly due to accuracy issues. At least there was a glimmer of hope in that last drive, but it wasn't much.
Gforcetrivers
November 08, 2021 at 07:04 am
It wasn't wasted. It should have been an overtime game.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
November 08, 2021 at 08:42 am
Unfortunately traveling and only saw about 6 minutes of the game. When I get home next weekend I will watch the game that I recorded to see it for myself.
However, I have read most all the comments here at CCTV. Lots of emotions on here but read some little nuggets from respected posters who came across objective. Sounds like Love was a good leader in huddle and throughout maintained his composure. This was very promising to me. Read where he was blitzed heavily throughout the game and constantly being hit and knocked to the ground. Where the OL played horrible. Where the RB's were not utilized enough. Love said he has never been hit as much in a game as he was last night. Where ML acknowledged he did a crappy job with a game plan not helping Love out with all the pressure. See where with exception of interception Love had better stats than Mahomes and that was with the Packers two best cornerbacks unable to play let alone Zadarius, and Clark leaving due to injury.
Hmmmm....with minimal experience and a few days past 23 years old starting in his first game on the road against last years SB team, and the QB most feel is the best in the game it sure seems like he did okay. Not great by any means but certainly not worthy of so many negative comments about him not being the future. Way to soon to know!
Again, I did not see the game however was it remotely possible with a 3.5 game lead over the Vikings going into the game the Packers were more interested in finding out what they have in Jordan Love than even winning the game? The Packers have the most important offseason decision to make in 16 or 17 years. How they handle that decision will impact the Packer organization for the next 15 or 20 years, as well as impact the legacy of Murphy, Gutey, and LF. I don't think anyone should discount this as a possibility. Not saying they threw the game, but their need to see what they have in Love was imperative and the game plan was part of the analysis. LFs best trait as a coach is his flexibility and ability to modify his game plan to fit his talent. Everyone has commented how horrible the game planning was. The one thing I would bet on was it was intentional and not because LF was that bad of a coach. LF is way too good of a coach.
Just maybe many of you cannot see the forest because of the trees. For those of you who have already given up on Jordan you are likely very misinformed without true football insight. My sage comment...exercise some patience!