Gut Reactions: Packers out-coached, out-hit and out-hearted
Aaron gives his gut reactions to the Packers loss to the Jets.
By PackerAaron
- Another week of watching LaFleur and Barry get out-coached.
- Worse than that, the Packers looked like a team with absolutely no heart.
- The lack of energy and purpose from the Packers today was alarming.
- The offensive line played like blocking was a suggestion more than a job requirement.
- That said, they held up much better in the second half.
- Which gave Rodgers plenty of time to hold the ball and ignore the checkdown until it was too late.
- Speaking of the $50 million man, he still has flashes, like the play where he escaped instant pressure and delivered a strike to Tonyan on the sideline while getting hit. But those flashes are few and far between.
- Mostly, Rodgers just looked old.
- Can't believe we saw special team block up a punt, get nothing from it on offense then give up a blocked punt of their own to give up seven. Truly magical.
- Shout out to the defense for one decent half of football.
- The defense couldn't get off a block in the second half and couldn't tackle. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
- Matt LaFleur has lost consecutive regular season games for the first time.
- Going to be a fun week.
Comments (261)
Bearmeat
October 16, 2022 at 03:20 pm
This team sucks. Time to call the fat lady from her warm up room and look towards 2023. Bench Aaron Rodgers and hope he does us a massive solid and retires. Or, perhaps someone will swoop in and give us SOMETHING for him? I'd take a 5th right now. Seriously.
Many of us here (more than on other sites) were excoriating the Packers for not moving on. The real head scratcher was those who thought we should go all in to try and out score teams like it was 2011.
The entire GB FO, Mark Murphy and coaching staff should be fired for looking to the past and bringing back 12. Instead of having some balls, looking to the future, and trading him in the offseason.
I'm not looking forward to watching the 80s Packers again, but that looks like a distinct possibility right now.
Swisch
October 16, 2022 at 03:26 pm
Time for some changes, indeed, but whatever we do, let's not give up on this season.
We're still 3-3, with 11 games left, and with a lot of talent -- so let's still shoot for the playoffs, whoever is playing, whoever is coaching.
Urgency, but no panic!
Swisch
October 16, 2022 at 03:54 pm
So, at least two downvoters here want the Packers to quit for this season?
Anyone upvoting a determination to keep fighting?
cpabandit
October 16, 2022 at 04:39 pm
Have you seen the Packers' schedule? They still have to play the Bills, Cowboys, Eagles and Dolphines. They barely beat the Pats and have lost to the Giants and Jets ugly. Yes, time to pack it in.
jurp
October 16, 2022 at 03:31 pm
I'd take a six-pack of Spotted C... hell, make it Falstaff or Coors LIght - for him.
As for the 80s Packers, as you may remember, they generally had a good offense, unlike this team.
barutanseijin
October 16, 2022 at 03:36 pm
More like the 1970s Packers.
jurp
October 16, 2022 at 03:54 pm
Yep. 1976 is calling and wants its team back. It liked the ugly all-green uniforms, though, so that's something.
edp1959
October 16, 2022 at 03:37 pm
You got what you wanted. Ohh how great the defensive picks were and they they are going to be elite. Ignorance is bliss.
Bearmeat
October 16, 2022 at 03:46 pm
LOL. No, I didn't get what I wanted. I wanted 12 gone and his massive contract given to a few free agents to help Love and massive draft capital.
Try again.
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 05:51 pm
Well, this will get the job done. The only question is whether the organization will fight or just let it play out with LaFleur.
This is a very expensive transition year as it has turned out. We would not be materially worse with Love at this point. Regardless of whether and to what extent Rodgers may be part of the problem or a victim of it, that’s just a bad deal.
This coaching staff is failing from the top down. The one good thing is that LaFleur has been unequivocally exposed as having nothing to bring to the table. That’s a very expensive (now and in future) dose of reality Murphy will close his eyes to.
I expected more of the same on O. I got that in spades. It started when they again. Left Toure inactive and went with the conservative option of Winfree. It continued in the non use of Jones and even Cobb in the first half. We saw vanilla formations, minimal receiver routes and then wonder why they are covered. I’m not going to go on, it’s just evidence that there’s no grasp of the problem. We don’t help our OL, a mess from left to right, we instead invite it to be attacked …
Fire LaFleur: he’s got no strategy and has no idea how to proceed. Alternatively, just watch the inevitable slide into irrelevance and rancor.
Tundraboy
October 16, 2022 at 11:26 pm
Hello darkness, my old friend?
barutanseijin
October 16, 2022 at 05:59 pm
Have you seen how defenses have played Rodgers in the past couple years? They don’t respect him. And if DCs don’t respect him, would GMs really offer “massive draft capital” in return for his services? What the Seahorks got from Denver for another overrated QB isn’t necessarily what the Packers would have received. Rodgers is older and likes his time away from the gridiron. He is not a guy like Brady. who lives, eats and breathes football 24/7/365.
All that is to say it’s possible they got lowballed for Rodgers and felt that they were stuck with him.
Guam
October 16, 2022 at 03:48 pm
An interior O-line that is bad, not one receiver that can beat man coverage, an aging QB1 that looks old, and a defense that can't hold an edge and can't tackle a running back. And then we can talk about the coaching staff......
It is going to be a long season Bearmeat. Gute definitely should have taken Denver's offer for Rodgers.........
NickPerry
October 16, 2022 at 04:30 pm
IMO (and it's only my opinion or feeling) that was ALL on Mark Murphy. As was the MLF hire.
Since'61
October 16, 2022 at 05:03 pm
Correct as usual Nick. Thanks, Since '61
Packerpasty
October 16, 2022 at 05:10 pm
and the MLF hire is starting to look NOT GOOD!
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 05:53 pm
Starting? The LaFleur hire has stunk for a while. Ever since the inexperience excuse became indefensible as we repeated the same mistakes and outcome.
Azblonguy
October 16, 2022 at 07:54 pm
A bit irrational... Packers been great many years. No GM is going to pass on a quarterback that won the MVP 2 years in a row. Roger's still out played Brady 2 years ago. The weather ruined the championship game last year. Few more lucky bounces in Packers favor they be in the superbowls. Packers had to go in this season w Rogers. NFC is still wide open.
Fubared
October 16, 2022 at 09:15 pm
No Rodgers went into his shell, all but two passes to Adams when guys were wide open. Rodgers lost those games
Tundraboy
October 16, 2022 at 11:28 pm
Pass.
Fubared
October 16, 2022 at 09:12 pm
I want two fifths and a case of miller
Rebecca
October 16, 2022 at 03:21 pm
The sky has fallen.
Wenis
October 16, 2022 at 03:21 pm
Agreed on all points.
Food for thought. The Jets hadn't converted a 3rd down until their last drive and still curb stomped the Packers.
I just watched a team doing nothing more than going thru the motions.
Swisch
October 16, 2022 at 03:21 pm
Well, two burning questions: Do we need to ditch the uniforms from the 1950s, and do we need to fire Aaron Rodgers as offensive coordinator and assistant GM?
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 03:24 pm
Give them 1980s uniforms. That’s more realistic
Oppy
October 16, 2022 at 03:26 pm
1980's Packers had prolific offense.
jurp
October 16, 2022 at 03:32 pm
"Way to go, Dickey!"
My Father-in-Law, after Dickey had taken another sack. But yes, you're right about the offense of those days.
Swisch
October 16, 2022 at 03:30 pm
Ah, it does bring back a strange nostalgia of painful memories when I was living in the Chicago suburbs and William "The Refrigerator" Perry was scoring touchdowns against the Packers. At least I was young then.
jurp
October 16, 2022 at 03:35 pm
Given the offense we just saw, 1976 would be more realistic (23rd in Offense in a 28 team league).
SinceLombardi
October 16, 2022 at 08:57 pm
We are stuck with the 50s uniforms for several more years contractually.. the are appropriate as this unit plays like a Scooter MacLean team.
Doofapotamus
October 16, 2022 at 03:21 pm
The team last lost the will to fight. I have lost the will to fight for the team. The offense looks lost, the defense shows up for 30 minutes and disappears and the special teams are who we thought they were. It's a sad day to claim GB as my team.
Oppy
October 16, 2022 at 03:27 pm
I hear Minnesota is accepting band wagoneers. The door is that way.
Go Pack.
Doofapotamus
October 16, 2022 at 03:30 pm
That's not what I meant and you know it.
Oppy
October 16, 2022 at 03:44 pm
Toughen up, Sally.
It's easy being a fan when the wins are coming easy.
Doofapotamus
October 16, 2022 at 03:48 pm
I've been a fan of this team for 22 years. I've seen some all around bad teams. This is one of the most pathetic. Rodgers is lost and playing his own game out there while the rest of the offense is left to pick up the pieces. The defense is only able to function for 30 minutes at a time. The special teams are still a disaster. I've seen teams with struggling offenses. I've seen teams with Struggling defenses. When you don't have any functional part of your team with multiple All-Pro and pro bowl players on both sides of the ball, something is seriously wrong. It's not losing. It's the lack of heart. It's the lack of effort. They're all just running through the motions. THAT'S what makes it hard.
Oppy
October 16, 2022 at 03:57 pm
The packers teams of the last 30 years have all been above average teams save for the 4-12 team and the year Rodgers decided to rebel against any attempts of MM coaching him.
This team has all the heart of their QB right now. They're fierce when they're winning, and sulk and point fingers when they face real adversity.
What's wrong is Rodgers. Your mileage may vary. He's been a cancer since 2016.
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 04:00 pm
The last year of MM had a pretty poor roster. This team should be a lot better than that.
Since'61
October 16, 2022 at 05:09 pm
Plus, Rodgers played hurt for the entire 2018 season after being injured against the Bears in the first game of the season. He could have sat out but he played through 2 serious injuries even when the team had nothing to play for. Thanks, Since '61
Packerpasty
October 16, 2022 at 05:13 pm
and thats all on the coach...this kid MLF should be head coaching in Div II and learning the ropes...just the look on his face tells the team "I aint got a clue"...zero adjustments by our coaches..
Swisch
October 16, 2022 at 03:34 pm
We may need to avert our gaze from the Packers, we may even need a small vacation from the Packers, but let's not stop fighting for the Packers.
There's still time to turn the season around, if there's truly the will to turn the season around.
SinceLombardi
October 17, 2022 at 12:33 am
They never had the will to fight. They even tried to give back the bears game🤢 they are not well coached. ML has no idea how to pull them out of this. He kept Kevin king on the roster, and wouldn’t fire Drayton until they lost the season
Lare
October 16, 2022 at 03:21 pm
Probably the worst Packers team I've ever seen, MLF won't make any changes though, he doesn't have the balls to do that.
Wenis
October 16, 2022 at 03:25 pm
He stands on the sidelines with that "poopy in my pants" look from start to finish.
Oppy
October 16, 2022 at 03:29 pm
Nobody cares that Rodgers does that every game where he's down so much as a single point.
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 03:27 pm
He is a coach who has never won a game Rodgers wouldn’t have. Out coached again. He has no strategy for the rookies we are now just playing Lazard ball. Bankrupt. As long as LaFleur is here it will not improve. It’s team wide under performance by coaches and most players and a QB still refusing to face reality.
Just listening to him, he’s got no answers or ideas and no control.
Bure9620
October 16, 2022 at 03:40 pm
Yeah, with MLF and Rodgers this team will only get worse, not better.
Tundraboy
October 16, 2022 at 10:38 pm
You nailed it once again my friend an amazing display of uninspired play coaching,effort. You name it. Pure garbage
Just kills me how stupid they are each week. Even before Cobb went down, weeks ago they should have brought up and played Toure. But No, they finally make a token effort activating Winfrey this week and don't even play him at all really after Cobb exits with an injury!
There is no plan and it is galling to hear Rodgers cite Winfree's training camp performances while ignoring that the best was Toure and Doubs as well, is mind boggling bs. I simply can not stomach his or MLFs drivel any longer.
It's still too early to throw in the towel, but this ship looks like it's sinking and I just don't see any indication that they have the ability to right any of this anymore than I have faith that they ability to manage an entire game, all four quarters.
I no longer can take them seriously without first seeing a seismic shift and attitude adjustment on the field, I don't see that coming anytime soon either and probably not even this year. Yeah there may be a season ending flourish, but that too in the end, will be a mirage. Rebuild. From Murphy on down, but keep Gute and Bisaccia.
egbertsouse
October 16, 2022 at 03:28 pm
You must be too young to remember Dan Devine.
Packerpasty
October 16, 2022 at 05:15 pm
haha, not me, I remember...horrible stuff!!
egbertsouse
October 16, 2022 at 03:31 pm
You must
jurp
October 16, 2022 at 03:36 pm
You must be young; I've seen FAR WORSE Packers teams. But this one seems to be doing the least with the most of any team in the last 50+ years.
Swisch
October 16, 2022 at 03:48 pm
jurp -- as you say, the least with the most -- that's the difference between now and any time in the past, isn't it?
That's why it hurts more!
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 03:56 pm
Fair point.
Todd
October 16, 2022 at 04:03 pm
Worst you’ve EVER seen?
Fubared
October 16, 2022 at 09:18 pm
I don't think he has the power. He gives Barry the boot it's telling gutt you picked the wrong dude. He knows who writes his checks. Le flower is a lousy coach who inherited a great qb.
croatpackfan
October 17, 2022 at 01:48 am
Once great QB!
TarynsEyes
October 16, 2022 at 03:23 pm
https://youtu.be/6omQK8WGjwE
There is nothing else that can be said from start to finish about this game. Nothing. Not a single solitary good thing. Not the pass to Lazard. Not the Gary sack. Nothing.
It seems this team, while on that 'slippery slope' was able to do one thing today, find the tree and crash into it, before Buf, Dal and Phil murder us.
NickPerry
October 16, 2022 at 04:33 pm
"Not a single solitary good thing."
I beg to differ... I think this week, well probably last week, was the beginning of securing a top 10 draft pick...Hell, maybe top 5.
barutanseijin
October 16, 2022 at 06:05 pm
Oh yippee, another shitty DB. Let’s make it a safety.
That’ll really help.
Tundraboy
October 16, 2022 at 10:40 pm
Yessir!
Tundraboy
October 16, 2022 at 11:37 pm
Love this. Tree found!
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
October 17, 2022 at 12:38 am
The Green Bay Sonny Bono's?
gkarl
October 16, 2022 at 03:25 pm
The defense can't cover crossers and it appears the OL can't either. The coaching staff should know what to expect next week in Washington. That was just UGLY.
LeotisHarris
October 16, 2022 at 03:25 pm
It's always darkest right before it goes absolutely pitch black.
A Lambeau leap by an opposing player, and opposing fans at the rail doing their teams' cheer with the players. Hmm, that scene seems familiar, doesn't it?
That was sad and sickening to watch. Like Nags said, no heart. To physically get your ass kicked after not showing up in London. At home. Shake my head.
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 03:30 pm
This is what happens when your head coach is clueless
jurp
October 16, 2022 at 03:37 pm
"I OWN YOU!"
Oh, wait, wrong team.
Never mind.
GBPDAN1
October 16, 2022 at 03:27 pm
Packers should have traded Rodgers after back to back MVP seasons. I wonder how bad the games are going to be when we play a really good team? Are we in total blow up mode, starting from all management on down? I don't want to be an over reaction type, but, without any elite receivers, and the way the rest of the team is playing, is this going to get any better? I sure hope so, but I'm not going to hold my breath
jurp
October 16, 2022 at 03:40 pm
"Packers should have traded Rodgers after back to back MVP seasons. "
As Bearmeat, Coldworld and others would say: "No shit." An absolutely abysmal display of fiduciary responsibility by Murphy. He shouldn't only be fired, he should be fired, stripped of any pension, tarred, feathered, and run out of Green Bay - hell, out of Wisconsin - on a rail. His tenure with the team should be reduced to a "We don't talk about this asshole becuase he fucked over the team for at least five years." plaque in the Packers HOF.
And abso-fucking-lutely nothing will bad will happen to him. Failure without consequences; a hallmark of modern executive life.
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 08:58 pm
Murphy caused the wastage of the late teens allowing Ball to try out for GM during TTs decline. That should have got him fired. He then “saved the day” by hiring LaFleur single handed and messing with the Harlen/Wolf structure. Yes. He should be fired, as he should have been before, but since he controls Board nomination, fat chance.
Go_Pack1265
October 16, 2022 at 04:13 pm
I do not believe that any other team wanted to mortgage their future for a 38 year old QB. The Packers were never offered anything for him, that they were will to accept. They were stuck with him.
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 08:22 pm
Yes, Denver hired Hackett and co just to look pretty. Then signed Wilson at great cost. I think you are wrong. Very wrong because we had a team openly looking at doing the irrational.
stockholder
October 16, 2022 at 03:28 pm
This OL needs a Enema! Jenkins has lost it. Newman can’t block. And This OL was dominated. It’s Broken.
And they should fire the OL coach now. The only way to fix it: is move Jenkins to LG and Leave him there.
Doofapotamus
October 16, 2022 at 03:34 pm
I'm just glad the Royce Newman and Jake Hanson experiments have ended. Get Tom out there, he can't be any worse.
Swisch
October 16, 2022 at 04:20 pm
It seems clear we need to move Jenkins to guard, especially as he's not likely to fully recover from his surgery until next season.
It seems clear Nijman should be starting as a blocker somewhere on the offensive line.
Let's start there, build off of that, and see if we can't get a consistent set of starters blocking for the Packers offense for the rest of the season.
We can still make the playoffs!
Doofapotamus
October 16, 2022 at 06:21 pm
Maybe. Or, perhaps, they could get an RG that actually can play and not leave Jenkins up to block the ends AND the tackles when they inevitably run through #70 and #62. I don't know if Nijman would be a better RT than Jenkins, but I know one thing. You can't play RG much worse than the two aforementioned. Give Tom his chance.
Tundraboy
October 16, 2022 at 11:38 pm
Nah, you can bet we will see more of them!
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 03:41 pm
Butkus looks like a disaster. Not one OL was good. Part of that is the risible threat from our passing game, but they aren’t playing well or as a unit.
Stenavich appears to be no more impress as an OC. The coaches are looking like a sub par group in the image of their leader.
It’s just time to stop it. The rot is deep. Continue with Rodgers or not, but LaFleur should be gone before next week if there is to be any hope of turning this around. Honestly I think the coaching staff is largely too diluted, but it’s worth a try. It starts with recognizing that we need a whole new attitude on O. Rodgers can chose to get on board or not, but it’s a move that is desperately needed.
jurp
October 16, 2022 at 03:43 pm
I don't disagree, but whom do you replace MLF with? Maybe Bisaccia, but leaving the assistant coaches in place seems to be a recipe for the same level of play we've seen. I've heard that Paul Chryst is available (yes, this is meant as a [poor] joke).
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 04:02 pm
The chances of success with the same coaches are limited, but the chances of success with the status quo are non-existent. So which is the better option?
I’d try persuading Peyton to see out the year and go from there.
jurp
October 16, 2022 at 04:07 pm
Hmm. I like that. But would he agree? And would he lose part of his payout from NO (assuming there was one) if he were to accept? I think AR would retire if Peyton were hired because I don't think SP would put up with AR's act. Not a bad result, come to think of it.
Swisch
October 16, 2022 at 04:24 pm
If you change all of the coaches, but Rodgers stays the same in his attitude, then does it really matter?
Rodgers is still talented enough to lead a winning team; but it seems he's still arrogant enough to undermine a winning team.
4thand10
October 16, 2022 at 08:36 pm
Personally,from what i’ve seen…Rodgers was reluctant to be coached…then he was receptive and plays got more creative…then he wants more say in matters which is dumb. I couldn’t tell the difference between this offense and McCarthys today. That tells me Rodgers has too much imput and LaFluer caved in to a player. Bringing in an aging Randell Cobb who McCarthy used as a running back for too many hrs with his body used and abused was all Arron’s decision and a terrible idea.
Obviously Doubs, Toury can run routes….they did it all pre season Your telling me Amari Rodgers isn’t capable of running a reverse or having some backfield plays??? But Arron is having none of that shit and wants it his way and only throw to his guys instead of following a playbook. And for the first 3 yrs the playbook was good. Now,He’s over throwing deep balls, throwing low or just out of a receivers reach. The hallucination Tea clearly didn’t help him.
Think about it…LaFluer likes to run the ball and has good run schemes and misdirection but what we are seeing is totally different than the first few yrs. Which tells me AR has too much to say about the playbook. But either way, LaFluer has lost control of his QB. And that’s on him.
Realistically, I don’t think any teams put in an offer for Rodgers… cause they know they get a toxic, self absorbed player who can’t take coaching. He’s too absorbed in the past . His on the field antics with the new WRs doesn’t set an example and does nothing for their confidence. I liked him for a long time, but now after the “immunization “ BS, the eye rolls on the new kids starting out, the lack of energy and the hallucinating tea instead of getting to know his new WRs and setting an example….I’m done with AR. If I was the coach I would have made him play the preseason.Even if they start winning i’m done and mentally checked out with him.
Tundraboy
October 16, 2022 at 11:39 pm
Oh please, let me wake up to that news!
Packerpasty
October 16, 2022 at 05:18 pm
Sean Payton
Tundraboy
October 16, 2022 at 11:10 pm
Butkus is a Trojan Horse! Just knew it!
jannesbjornson
October 16, 2022 at 05:03 pm
With all their injuries, this segmented squad has never been in synch and Rodgers missed a couple of practices. Rhyan was drafted to be a bruiser inside ,but has not been sniffed. Some of the deadwood should be moved by the trade deadline. I do not see Leadership.
brenner
October 16, 2022 at 06:24 pm
Completely agree about Jenkins going back to LG. let Nijman play RT and learn on the fly. Maybe give Tom a look at RG.. not sure Runyan has played well enough to remain on the field but Newman definitely shouldn't be out there.
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 08:51 pm
I’m more and more concerned about Myers. He’s been bad two weeks in a row. Runyon is a weak link in the run game this year for some reason, but he’s good in pass pro mostly. I’m not sure I’d not move Jenkins to C. It’s probably the 3rd most important position. I have grave doubts about Tom’s strength at G, but at this point I’d say try it. Nijman has to be playing. He’s been our best OL this year when starting.
MooPack
October 16, 2022 at 03:28 pm
Deep, deep issues on both sides of the ball. Front office to coaching to players. Lot of searching for the soul of this team needed.
pacman
October 16, 2022 at 03:28 pm
I called it last week as the end of the MLF/AR era. MLF is not a good coach. He was good enough when he had better coaches under him and better players. But he just continually fails to get his team ready and almost always to play under their potential even when they won.
AR showed his age a few years ago (when they drafted Love) but then pulled himself out of it. I'm doubtful he could do it again and he doesn't have the players to help him. Give the Jets credit too but it is ridiculous how Packers could not come up with some plays to make things happen. Blame the O line, AR finger injury, whatever. Offense showed nothing today except for like 3 plays. Pretty pathetic. At least the D showed up for half the game.
In hindsight, of course, we should have traded AR but this kind of drop off in play by the team is all on MLF.
Packerpasty
October 16, 2022 at 07:23 pm
truth spoken!! I say one more year and it will be new coach time....wish they'd can him tomorrow though...never did like the choice, everyone wanted to be like the Rams at the time he was hired...
NitschkeFromTheGrave
October 16, 2022 at 03:29 pm
"Out-coached, out-hit and out-hearted"
Hard to post anything that tops that !
SinceLombardi
October 16, 2022 at 08:52 pm
I’d only add.. again
dobber
October 16, 2022 at 03:29 pm
This has all the feel of a team circling the drain. Maybe they recover but, at this point, I don't see how.
Swisch
October 16, 2022 at 03:44 pm
It's mostly up to Aaron Rodgers to be a leader and turn things around.
If he won't, then it's up to . . . whoever is in charge of the Packers to sit Rodgers and play Jordan Love.
jurp
October 16, 2022 at 04:08 pm
AR, a leader?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
jurp
October 16, 2022 at 03:45 pm
Well, at least maybe we'll get a top 10 draft choice...
Bure9620
October 16, 2022 at 03:33 pm
This team is officially unwatchable. The O-line is a joke. Handing Rodgers that contract was a mistake as I knew it would be. Rodgers is an Old man now and we are now stuck with that atocious contract. Murphy should be forced into retirement. They need to BLOW IT UP. New Leadership, President, GM, New coach, new QB, unload the vets. It is over. I am not wasting time on this shit anymore....
jurp
October 16, 2022 at 03:46 pm
I'd keep Gute, because I think he's done a good job within the parameters he's had dictated to him. But Murply MUST GO NOW. And let Gute hire MLF's replacement.
Lare
October 16, 2022 at 03:36 pm
Will be the first losing season in a while.
PackfanNY
October 16, 2022 at 03:36 pm
My gut reaction: 🤢🤮🤢🤮
It is no longer just a thing or two wrong with the team Last year it was special teams and defense. Instead of getting better where we were weak we just added Offensive line, receivers, coaching and overall offense to the fire. Time to admit where we are at and start working on a true REBUILD.
Problem is, do we have faith in Gute at this point? He insisted Receivers were fine. They are NOT. He predicted Defense is solid. They are NOT. He used multiple assets on the O line. They stunk up the joint today. Lots of problems. Very few answers. Long season ahead.
Oppy
October 16, 2022 at 03:41 pm
Gutekunst has been working on a true rebuild ever since.
Someone pulled the carpet out on him though, and dictated we re-sign Rodgers. Now a lot of the rebuild pieces will end up seeing the free market.
dobber
October 16, 2022 at 04:54 pm
I think we all know who that someone is.
KVP
October 16, 2022 at 05:18 pm
The love child of Howdy Doody and Alfred E Neuman...Mark Murphy, who needs Rodgers to keep interest in his Packer Park more than put a real winner on the field?
jannesbjornson
October 16, 2022 at 05:33 pm
Silage piling up @ the Sledding Hill...
dobber
October 17, 2022 at 07:48 am
I've pitched my share of silage over the years...
Lare
October 16, 2022 at 03:41 pm
Sure wish Gutekunst had done something to improve the WR position.
Oppy
October 16, 2022 at 04:01 pm
J'Mon Moore (Yeah, he didn't work out), MVS, ESB, Amari Rodgers, Watson, Toure, Doubs..
The GM can't predict health, and he can't force the QB to throw to them. He has to own whiffs (Moore is the stand out whiff here).
I don't think it's fair or accurate to claim Gutekunst hasn't done anything to improve the WR position.
Packerlifer
October 16, 2022 at 04:33 pm
It’s fair to say that what Gutey has done has not improved the wr position.
Oppy
October 16, 2022 at 09:17 pm
I don't think that's true.
I think the Packers have had a good corps of receivers who have been under utilized and left undeveloped. But that's not on Gute.
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 11:11 pm
It’s definitely been better than it was when he first drafted. This year it always looked sketchy. MVS wasn’t wanted by many and Adams wanted out and we couldn’t realistically afford him (though they tried to mortgage the future with him too.
Last year was seen as the last dance encore for a reason. This year was always going to depend on working with each of the rookies and Rodgers to develop a role and niche playlist that got them going. We never tried. Doubs sort of crashed the party that LaFleur and Rodgers saw as being for Cobb, Lazard and Watkins. This is where that kind of hubris gets a team.
Packers1985
October 16, 2022 at 03:43 pm
Gutey drafts haven't been great last few years but his Free Agency acquisition has been covering it up all this while.
Most of his Rd1's turned out to be just avg except for Ja and Gary rest all have been playing okish. He neglected the Wr and TE group too long.
Oppy
October 16, 2022 at 04:02 pm
Please see my response to Lare in regards to neglecting WRs
Packers1985
October 16, 2022 at 04:56 pm
I did see your Response and except for MVS none seemed or played that good. So in all these picks only one turned out good means something has to be wrong in terms of our Scouting team. After that 2018 season he drafted only one receiver till this year even when we clearly lacked a wr2 for all these years.
None of those picks are any good to be Wr2 let alone Wr1. BTW i am holding off on this years draft so far Doubs looking good and Watson being injured alot isn't helping much.
Oppy
October 16, 2022 at 09:17 pm
How good can you be when the QB won't utilize you.
Packers1985
October 16, 2022 at 09:49 pm
Without utilizing packer's didn't produce so many pro bowlers from thin air till 2019. Even with his drops davante produced 500 yds. Both EQ and mvs produced 300+ yds each their first season.
fordguy
October 16, 2022 at 07:34 pm
"I don't think it's fair or accurate to claim Gutekunst hasn't done anything to improve the WR position."
Who in the hell else should anyone point the finger at than him? Undrafted Tonyan, undrafted Lizard. 6th round Winfree, 4th Doubs, 80year old Lewis. Are you really going to say that he's not responsible for that dumpster fire on the field?
Oppy
October 16, 2022 at 09:22 pm
There's nothing wrong with Tonyun, there's nothing wrong with Lazard. There was nothing wrong with MVS. There was nothing wrong with ESB. J'mon Moore? Complete bust. Is there anything wrong with Doubs? Toure? Watson's health issue is unfortunate. Sammy Watkins? Yeah, the health sucks. but it was an improvement.
Packers1985
October 16, 2022 at 09:51 pm
Yes nothing wrong but nothing great or good either to be a team's top Wr1 or Top TE in the league.
Oppy
October 17, 2022 at 07:48 pm
How many teams run the elusive "multiple #1 WRs" formation?
Also, before the injury, Tonyan was certainly catching TDs like a #1 TE.
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 03:47 pm
Agreed. LaFleur’s incompetence has led to a light weight coaching staff just as much as his tactical naivety has been repeatedly exposed.
As to Gute, this team may be good in a couple of years. To be good this year, incorporating rookies was obviously essential from day one of the off season if we were to have a chance. We did nothing, and play as if we were the team last year.
This isn’t the first game, it’s just accelerating as teams figure out they can have their way with our O. Thus won’t stop with this coach. We could be a lot better with this roster. At this point, the only hope is a swift and decisive change at the top.
PearlyBakerBest
October 16, 2022 at 04:54 pm
You’ve been saying nothing but this for two straight weeks. Why don’t you name who you think the head coach should be?
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 08:28 pm
I’d try for Peyton, cost not an issue. It’s not like I’ve not said that before. If he refuses, at this point I’d take what Bisaccia did last year. At this point the key is not LaFleur. It may not succeed but it’s a whole lot better than just waiting to sink
PearlyBakerBest
October 16, 2022 at 09:17 pm
You write ALOT of posts. I don’t read them all. If you said that before, my apologies.
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 11:15 pm
There is not a lot of choice. Peyton is the ideal guy. Rodgers respects him and he need take no BS. But the greatest benefit might just be basic competence.
dobber
October 17, 2022 at 07:49 am
They won't go outside the team midseason...and Payton is supposedly coveting a couple jobs with young QBs.
Packers1985
October 16, 2022 at 10:01 pm
I think they did except for Toure. But watson getting injured most of the camp and also 2 times in 3 weeks made it worse i guess. Doubs has been getting targetted well more than the other rookies who have been drafted way above him( skyy moore, pierce and pickens)/.
jlc1
October 16, 2022 at 05:06 pm
Good news for you PackfanNY along with me and all the other Pack fans in the area. The team has played their way off any discretionary national broadcasts. We have finished our two NY games. So we have just a few, I hope maybe as few as two, games when we might have this god awful football team broadcast in our area.
They are so soft. Soft like McCarthy team soft. The O got punched in the mouth the first two drives and cowered from there on out. The D got punched in the mouth early in the 3rd quarter and waved the white flag.
Packerlifer
October 16, 2022 at 05:18 pm
Gotta admit,tho, our big men on both fronts are cuddly gentle giants.
barutanseijin
October 16, 2022 at 06:32 pm
I took a walk along the Brooklyn side of the Narrows after the game and took in the fall color and sunshine. As i strolled along, that very thought came to me, too. “Oh well, more time to enjoy good food, family, music, the arts, all that life has to offer.”
SinceLombardi
October 16, 2022 at 08:54 pm
We will lose to all 3 NY teams this year.
Tundraboy
October 16, 2022 at 10:45 pm
Players are not this bad. They didn't decline this far overnight , well maybe ARod buts It's the coaching and what they and Rodgers does with them.
Oppy
October 16, 2022 at 03:37 pm
The funny thing is, I still fully expect this team to finish 11-6, 10-7. They do have talent, they need to pull it together.
A week ago I told you I was more concerned about offense than defense. I'm still standing on that sentiment. The good news is, al the offense needs to get a bump in output is a QB who is willing to execute the offense and quit worrying about the names on the jerseys. Throw the ball to the open WR in progression.
Swisch
October 16, 2022 at 03:41 pm
Good stuff, Oppy,
Instead of throwing in the towel, let's try some things that are new.
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 03:53 pm
We could go with Love and maybe he’d use what tools he has. Maybe that wins us 5. If they keep this up I don’t think they get close to that. Cobb, Lazard and the odd Doubs are not getting it done. Lazard and Doubs won’t. No WR coming in will change things that much.
Rodgers speaking—most worried about “wobbling” by teammates. Letting the cat out of the bag that all us not well. He’s also seemingly criticizing LaFleur and the coaches by calling in them to simplify everything.
jurp
October 16, 2022 at 03:58 pm
AR tantrums to passive-agressively start... 5. 4. 3. 2, 1...,
I think Tuesday.
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 04:07 pm
He’s basically talking like the thought police. I don’t that helps.
Oppy
October 16, 2022 at 04:05 pm
Oh, I'm shocked that AR is laying blame at the coaching staff and seemingly calling out the commitment of his team mates.. He's never done that before (insert sarcastic eye roll emoji here).
Oppy
October 16, 2022 at 04:05 pm
There's open targets on the field. Just not Rodgers' favored targets.
Get the ball out and good things start happening.
jlc1
October 16, 2022 at 05:07 pm
Ok then Oppy, what games on the schedule get this team to that record?
Trapped-in-MN-BUT-GB-fan
October 16, 2022 at 06:13 pm
I'm not sure how they will do. But I sure would like to know what their offensive and defensive identity is. I see nothing that tells me what they are doing other doing the same things all the time that don't work. Seem to have offensive plays that don't ever change and are easily anticipated by the other teams. The defense seems to have only 2 or 3 players who know what they are doing and generally most of the defense doesn't speak the same language. Cause-players? Coaches? Front Office?
Yes to all three.
I'll still cheer for them no matter what but will have my hopes so much lower. GPG.
Fubared
October 16, 2022 at 09:26 pm
My take is Rodgers will get some ailment and not play against the better teams coming up. Dallas, eagles, bills will eat this team alive.
Wilment
October 16, 2022 at 03:37 pm
For these of us here on CHTV, they are who we thought they were. No premiere wide receiver, and now Cobb looks to be gone too. The offensive line looked....offensive. they looked slow, confused, and seem unable or unwilling to block anything. The defense again is gassed by the second half yet again, and once again there was no stopping the run. Then there is AR, who keep dropping back to throw deep to a wide receiver who doesnt exist. He looks older, slower, and the more hits he takes, the worse its going to get The coaching staff should be embarrassed by the past two efforts, and I dont want to scare anyone, they have three straight road games, and could very well be 3-6 when McCarthy and the cowboys come to town. The next three games will tell how much heart this club has. GO PACK!!
Tundraboy
October 16, 2022 at 11:53 pm
Guess the exciting part will be guessing which game that we actually show up for. Got to figure it is possible that they will at least once this year. Hmmm,. Which One?
packerbackerjim
October 16, 2022 at 03:38 pm
Bakhtiari was the only on the OL who showed up. Stenavich has to coach em up. Until then, AR needs to take 7-step drops. Barry needs to go. No contain, non-existent tackling. I trust Bisaccia will kick ass and take names.
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 03:56 pm
Bakh wasn’t great. They can’t run left at all either.
packerbackerjim
October 16, 2022 at 04:47 pm
Not great, just didn’t give up a sack, keep pressures to a minimum from his guy,
dobber
October 16, 2022 at 05:02 pm
How many touches did 33 get?
[the answer is 12--9 carries and 3 catches]
I never heard anything about him being hurt or in the locker room, but he seemed to be on the sideline a lot.
Right now, he's the most dynamic playmaker they have...and he got 12 touches.
jannesbjornson
October 16, 2022 at 05:46 pm
" Therein lies the rub"
Oppy
October 16, 2022 at 09:24 pm
Or, I dunno, don't hold the ball forever.
coolhand
October 17, 2022 at 09:43 am
AR seems to lock in on 1 guy and he waits and waits for him to get open and then gets sacked.
Tundraboy
October 17, 2022 at 09:25 pm
Isn't that the opposite of what you teach a QB to do.
Swisch
October 16, 2022 at 03:38 pm
Hey, I've been warning about the arrogance of Rodgers sinking the Packers for a long time -- with only a small measure of appreciated support -- but I'm not giving up on this season -- whoever is coaching, whoever is playing.
Let's stop the panic; let's keep up the fight.
Changes, yes; surrender, no!
LeotisHarris
October 16, 2022 at 04:13 pm
Easy, Braveheart.
Swisch
October 16, 2022 at 04:32 pm
Instead of belittling me, maybe you should be listening to me as one of the fans who have been on target in realistic analysis, instead of complacent about arrogant Rodgers.
Listen to me about the past instead of sneering; listen to me about not giving up on the Packers this season instead of quitting.
Oppy
October 17, 2022 at 07:24 pm
I don't think Leotis meant it as a personal attack, I think it was intended as a humorous statement- no more, no less.
I could of course be wrong, but Leotis has never struck me as an abrasive commenter. He's certainly more light-hearted and less abrasive than I am.
Swisch
October 16, 2022 at 04:56 pm
Go ahead and downvote me.
Even if I go away with my unpopular comments, they won't be any the less true.
Wherever I am, I'll still be rooting for the Packers to turn things around for the better right now this season -- as I have for more than a half century -- not pouting and giving up on them.
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 08:44 pm
There are a lot of people who are struggling to grasp that this is broader than a bad OL or a poor game plan or just a bad game. They don’t want to see that it’s actually just a logical extension of what’s been going on or they don’t want to give up on the season or the Rodgers era. It’s going to be vituperative, just as the Favre transition was, even though this is as much about the coaching and the decision to run with this roster and Rodgers without ensuring that he was on board with a concrete plan to make it work (impossible because LaFleur clearly didn’t see the need for one either). Thus organization has bought into its own hype for too long.
89Chewy
October 16, 2022 at 03:39 pm
LaFleur is in over his head. It showed in the playoffs and it's now showing again. He doesn't have the Rodgers/Adams connection to bail him out any longer. Wasn't his MO about designing plays to get wide receivers open? Our best option is that Aaron gets hurt and is out for the year, then let Love play and then we can see what we have in him. This year is deep at quarterback.
edp1959
October 16, 2022 at 03:45 pm
Wow, great Packer fan. Hoping that a player has a season ending injury. Purely pathetic.
Oppy
October 17, 2022 at 07:32 pm
Hey EDP, I agree with 89Chewy.
Rodgers sustaining a career-ending injury sooner than later would be the best scenario for the long-term future of the Packers.
I don't wish it upon him, but if it happened this sunday, it'd be the best thing for the Packers in my opinion.
I don't see the Packers getting to another SB with Rodgers under center, and Love is an unknown commodity unless we get to see him play meaningful games for a duration.
Rodgers goes down, the Packers are free to play Love and see what they've got, then make an informed decision on his contract moving forward, while they also get to free themselves of an expensive, divisive aging QB and finally create cap space to advance the team roster.
It's the best case scenario for the Packers. Otherwise, they'll never bench Rodgers, we'll never get to SB with him at the helm, and we'll always be cash strapped and watching young talent walk in FA.
PDTPack
October 16, 2022 at 03:48 pm
If they weren't motivated enough this week what makes anyone think they will be more motivated next week. I know that ML would never bench AR but in this game when the OL could not protect why not try Love with younger legs and more mobile to beat the rush.
PDTPack
October 16, 2022 at 03:42 pm
Somebody please give me a reason to have hope in this team.
Swisch
October 16, 2022 at 03:52 pm
We're still 3-3 with a lot of games left and a lot of talent.
It's not a matter of can the Packers win, but whether they really want to.
Are they willing to change the status quo in any meaningful way?
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 09:13 pm
Thou givest hope upon the one hand yet doth taketh it away with thine other.
Fubared
October 17, 2022 at 08:57 am
Your hope is they probably can't play any worse then they did yesterday so maybe you've seen 5he bottom. Then again dalls, eagles, bills, vikes on still ahead
Thegravedigger
October 16, 2022 at 03:43 pm
newman and jenkins looked mentally challenged. the one play where jenkins blocked the corner and let vinny curry walk thru on his inside. peewee football says you block the inside rusher. zach tom has to play, or nijman, or both. the ol made it seem like the jets invented stunts.
Lare
October 16, 2022 at 03:46 pm
Yes, worst OL play I've seen in a a long, long time.
jlc1
October 16, 2022 at 05:12 pm
I wonder if Stnovich moving up to OC from Oline coach has hurt the Oline. Sure seems to have. And at the same time Stnovich not being as good as Hackett at scheming also seems to be a big problem. Poorly considered coaching hires by MLF. He really is in the hot seat now as a head coach unlike he has ever been. Let's see if he is tough enough to show this team what toughness looks like.
jannesbjornson
October 16, 2022 at 06:52 pm
They're already running Hackett out of Denver.
splitpea1
October 16, 2022 at 03:45 pm
The Jets are a tough, physical, hard-hitting team. The Packers? Definitely not enough in this game....Gary had a couple of nice plays, ditto for Jaire, and Enagbare got his first sack.
The Jets played like a young, hungry team; the Packers played like an old veteran team that has lost too many times in the playoffs.
Stop the Packers running game and you stop the Packers offense. The Jets DL and LBs did a great job. Our offensive line was downright pukey, and I believe that was a Jenkins penalty that cost us a big A. Jones gain in the first half.
Flashbacks of last season with the blocked kick and punt....but we got one of our own with Wilson. Bisaccia may want to keep going for those blocks, because we're going to need them the way our offense is playing.
Need more receiving options badly! That was even before Cobb left.
If a team is a reflection of its coaching staff, well, this is what you get.
Thegreatreynoldo
October 16, 2022 at 03:47 pm
Gute went 0-5 on his OL expectations:
1. Thought Bakh would return and be good. Wrong.
2. Thought Jenkins would return & be good. Wrong.
3. Thought Myers would make a 2nd year jump. Wrong.
4. Thought Newman would make a 2nd year jump. Wrong.
5. Thought Runyan would be a solid RG. Wrong.
GMs have drafted 3rd round OL who played well right away.
GMs have drafted 4th round OL who played well right away.
Rare to get a 7th rounder to play well as a rookie, but it has happened.
0-8.
Thegreatreynoldo
October 16, 2022 at 03:51 pm
TV guys talking about getting a FA wide receiver. Gute should be looking for interior offensive linemen.
Lare
October 16, 2022 at 04:06 pm
The Packers can still win without a FA wide receiver, they will go nowhere with this OL.
Thegreatreynoldo
October 16, 2022 at 04:29 pm
I should add that Gute's expectations might still turn out to be correct and might still even come in time to salvage this season. I'd be more optimistic if GB were 4-2, but it is still very possible to make the playoffs. I see the Giants beat the Ravens to get to 5-1.
Swisch
October 16, 2022 at 04:35 pm
Who are the star receivers for the Giants?
Maybe we should be looking at the guy throwing the passes more than the guys trying to catch them.
dobber
October 16, 2022 at 05:05 pm
The guy throwing the passes looks disinterested--about like Roethlisberger a year ago.
Since'61
October 16, 2022 at 05:55 pm
Agree Dobber except that the guy throwing the passes looks like he is getting pounded every time he drops back to pass. Our OL looks like the guys who are disinterested in blocking anybody whether it's a run or a pass.
Thanks, Since '61
PearlyBakerBest
October 16, 2022 at 07:15 pm
They don’t look disinterested. They look like they don’t know.
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 09:05 pm
Don’t know possibly. It’s also possible that they do but don’t want to accept it. If I had to guess I’d say Rodgers is the latter, LaFleur the former.
PearlyBakerBest
October 16, 2022 at 09:23 pm
Don’t want to accept it? Not following? Are you still talking about the OL? I did not get the game so had to listen to it but watched the condensed afterwards. On many plays, there were multiple OL standing around looking for someone to block after the DL had whizzed by them already. Even Bahk on a couple plays. They just didn’t get off their initial block quick enough or at all to pick up the defender running past. But on a few plays they just got whipped too. Almost as if not knowing how to block.
Oppy
October 17, 2022 at 07:35 pm
I'd probably get the ball out of my hands in under 3 seconds if I couldn't count on the OL.
It's amazing how smoothly this offense has operated when the QB gets the ball out on time.
Yeah, it's really that simple.
Packers1985
October 16, 2022 at 10:20 pm
What happened to the same guy these last 3 seasons. Jones has been playing good only when he got some good OL protection. Our oline is a mess as a result we are struggling.
Coldworld
October 16, 2022 at 09:01 pm
He did come up with Nijman. Of course the coaches can’t find a way to get him on the field at present. I have to say that I’m becoming extremely dubious about Butkus and I don’t see what Stenavich is bringing as OC.
jannesbjornson
October 16, 2022 at 05:52 pm
I concur.
Oppy
October 17, 2022 at 07:41 pm
The team did pretty well in 2021 with the same (actually less) talent on the OL with the lone exception being Billy Turner.
I don't think Bakh is playing poorly, just not at up to Bakh standards yet.
I do agree that Jenkins is rough. I don't think playing him on the edge is helping him at all. That's a poor decision by the line coach IMO.
What this team needs to do is find a competent RT (either internally or brought in), move Jenkins back to LG (that should create a stable blind side), and see how Newman responds when a better RT is boxing him in. Should Newman still struggle, put Runyon or someone else at RG.
Cwilly
October 16, 2022 at 03:48 pm
Packers have no oline until they put nijman at right tackle and Jenkins at left guard. Can’t block and it’s obvious. Defense is being coached the same way capers coached soft and zone every play. No creativity with the defense and stop zoning very play or the rush defense may break capers record of most rushing yards in a single season. Plus you need a deep threat/ elite receiver. When you have that you won’t see 8 in the box every play. If your not gonna bring an elite receiver in then better fix your oline and be able to run the ball with 8 in the box. It’s only gonna get worse when you play the cowboys defense or the bills. It’s not a lost season yet but if you don’t actually bring in a free agent or change your personnel you have right now it will be. Don’t want to see Royce Newman play another down again and Jenkins at tackle when he just got back from an acl injury sooner then most for his size.
Packers1985
October 16, 2022 at 03:52 pm
Looking at the packer's opponents this yr it only going to get worse from here on. This is one of the toughest schedules we faced this season and with NFC east being the strongest and NFC north with viks leading i doubt even with 10 wins we'll make it to playoffs as we are going to see two nfc east teams in the Wild card spots. Then a big fight for the final spot.
jhtobias
October 16, 2022 at 03:53 pm
Well insanity again with expectations. Expecting Joe Barry to adjust is just silly either let him go or stop talking about him we know the results and what they will be . Lafluer is not capable of adjusting his game plan and this has been evident since he has been hired. Either get a play caller with the ability to adjust or let's stop talking about it .
Cwilly
October 16, 2022 at 04:04 pm
Your correct. But the zone every down is absolute insanity. When you have Alexander at corner why play zone all the time. And yes Stokes is fast but the nfl isn’t about being fast when your beat. He never follows the ball and it’s also getting old. And Savage must not understand his assignment or the coverage he’s suppose to be in cuz he always blows it. Zone isn’t working and even though it suits the weaker players the best it needs to be ditched or every team will run all over this defense.
dobber
October 16, 2022 at 05:08 pm
Packers didn't play nearly as much zone today as you seem to be implying.
Since'61
October 16, 2022 at 05:58 pm
It looked to me like the Packers mostly played man this week. Thanks, Since '61