Gut Reactions: Packers beat Lions, win NFC North

Aaron gives his gut reactions to the Packers win over the Lions. 

  • I know this isn't breaking news but it's going to be hard for the Packers to win a championship with this defense.
  • That MVS touchdown catch was god level
  • Kamal Martin needs to be starting. I understand he's a rookie, but I'll live with the mistakes. 
  • Chandon Sullivan. Woof. 
  • Good to see Tavon Austin get involved. 
  • Way, way, way too many penalties. 
  • Rashan Gary was a terror coming of that edge on that sack
  • This defense needs a serious lesson on turning screens back into the pursuit.
  • Manenga ain't it. 
  • In the second half, it was pretty clear LaFleur knew his defense wasn't up to the task and decided to take the air out of the game
  • The Packers clearly thought they could get something going between the tackles in the run game. They could not. 
  • I get that they want to save Aaron Jones "for the stretch run" but aren't they...in the stretch run?
  • If you're going to play 10 yards off Davante, Rodgers will take it thank you very much. 
  • Why does this team have to make everything so difficult? 
  • Even though they hate me, I still love this team. 
  • Go Pack Go. 
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SteelyPhil's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:39 pm

This was an extremely 2020 Packers game in every respect, but we clinched the North and currently have the #1 seed!

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Since'61's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:40 pm

Division Title.
#1 seed at least for now.
Get an ST coach!
All in all a good day.
Go Pack Go!
Thanks, Since ‘61

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Rick5952's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:54 pm

Our special teams aren't very special.

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cow7's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:40 pm

Offense has to be perfect.
That's a lot of pressure.
That's not complementary football.
That won't get it done.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 13, 2020 at 09:22 pm

The D made several stops today. Was it awesome? No. But it wasn't a bottom 10 defense either. Detroilet had a total dead cat bounce today. They played really hard, gutsy football. Like they had nothing to lose. Plus, we have struggled at Ford field the last several years.

Tell me: How did KC's defense look today? What about NOs? Bad games happen. Look. They're not great. But they're not AWFUL (unlike the coverage units on STs). You can win a SB with a great offense and a mediocre defense.

My point is that they won. And while it was a 1 possession game, I never got the feeling they weren't in control. They are currently sitting in the 1 seed - somewhere they haven't been since 2011. NO has KC while we have CAR. It's entirely likely that we'll be up 2 (effectively) with 2 to play.

We're in a good spot. Is it a Lombardi guarantee? Nope. But we're in a good spot.

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Packers2020's picture

December 13, 2020 at 09:30 pm

I agree

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Since'61's picture

December 13, 2020 at 10:07 pm

Agree Bearmeat. We need to play at home in the playoffs
That’s our best chance to go deep in the playoffs.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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Bure9620's picture

December 14, 2020 at 05:10 am

I agree, the top teams all have defenses which are torchable. Even NO who statistically has a good defense was torched by Philly and by us. The concern is special teams. Man are they bad. I would be fine if they gave vets the week off and only focused on kick coverage. Your weaknesses are exploited in the playoffs and the Packers need to figure out kick coverage.

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Befuddled's picture

December 14, 2020 at 07:16 am

The only way to not expose the kickoff coverage is to have Mason Crosby kick it out of the endzone and J.K. Scott punt the ball with good yardage and hangtime. A tough task at cold Lambeau.

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Archie's picture

December 14, 2020 at 10:25 am

The Rams, Redskins, Saints, Bills, Dolphins, Steelers, Colts, Ravens and Cle all have pretty good defenses, clearly better than GB. If GB goes all the way I will be thrilled and surprised.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

December 14, 2020 at 07:28 am

Good assessment Bearmeat.

Also, the Steelers is supposed to have the best Defense this year. What happened last night? So yeah, having the best defense does not mean you win every game. Every team has to play all 3 phases... the net result is whichever team scores more points wins (whether by offense, defense or ST).

Packers are winning, on a 3W streak. The Steelers are on a 2 loss streak. Better to start strong and finish stronger than to start all-conquering and deteriorate down the stretch.

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Farts_After_Wins's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:41 pm

*poot*

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

December 14, 2020 at 07:31 am

Thats a funny sounding word FAW. Maybe after a win you could record one of your famous flatulation moments ... if you cannot attach a sound file, then maybe a URL to that sound-file? :)

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Grandfathered's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:43 pm

Between the tackles was the only place to run, given Detroit played their DEs wide. All the rushing yards were between the tackles and it was good.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:48 pm

That's what I thought. Outside runs and screens were tough sledding.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:11 pm

Turner has a hard time exploding off the ball and engaging.. Patrick will hit people. Still prefer Jenkins to be a guard and bag another center in the draft.

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Big_Mel_75's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:38 pm

I think we did this past draft..

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:43 pm

Runyan may cover the spot. We don't know? At least a center by the third rd.

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Coldworld's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:45 pm

We did, Hansen, but he’s on IR.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 13, 2020 at 09:52 pm

If he makes the team.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 14, 2020 at 08:48 am

Centers are more important than guards.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:47 pm

I don't disagree but I saw Turner absolutely blast someone on the DL on one play. Never thought he had THAT in him.

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PackerBacker77's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:41 pm

One play big deal. He is terrible run blocker.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:44 pm

This defense flashes at times, but when it's crunch time they fold an awful lot. With all the high draft picks and FA $ they have spent on defense, they should be dominant.

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:51 pm

Do they fold or is the play call too vanilla? We have some talent, but it is frustrating how soft they play.

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badaxed's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:10 pm

Due to Pettine’s design the pack defense is soft and cushy like the stay puff marshmallow man . I saw # 91 drop into coverage again . Receivers are open by at least 5 yards on almost every play . 12 men on the field. Not sure why the time out before the flag in the first half. Guessing 12 men on the field then too. This is the defensive coordinator’s fault. Fire his ass. Buy two tickets at the railroad station for him and the special teams coordinator. If not for Rodgers and Mason Crosby ,defense and special teams lose this game.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:51 pm

Every 3-4 team drops LBs into coverage, including OLBs. That's not an indictment of a DC. I agree there are more than enough other reasons to fire Pettine after the season, but dropping OLBs isn't one of them.

Preston looked a little pudgy earlier this season, not sure if that's why he got beat more often this year in coverage.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:39 pm

Does anyone think the Lions were targeting Hockenson? ? ?

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Big_Mel_75's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:39 pm

King got picked on today.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:40 pm

Bites on the double move, in now his fourth season.

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analog4evr@yahoo.com's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:48 pm

I don't like the "business decision" tackling by King,plus he gives a 10 yd cushion seemingly every time.

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4thandinches's picture

December 13, 2020 at 09:56 pm

Well, they don't want to throw at Alexander and I don't blame em!

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Since'61's picture

December 13, 2020 at 10:14 pm

King gets picked on every week because QBs no longer throw to Alexander’s side of the field. Thanks, Since ‘61

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Thegravedigger's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:45 pm

Rashan gary had a nice sack and didnt play the rest of the game. Why?

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

December 14, 2020 at 07:35 am

In the presser, ML mentioned that Gary had some injury issues that they were looking at.

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Archie's picture

December 14, 2020 at 10:30 am

Looked to me like his upper arm got caught under him as rolled off Stafford. Could be a shoulder injury.

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pacman's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:45 pm

Are you telling me that firing ST coach now would be harmful to this team?

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NickPerry's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:49 pm

I can't see how it could be. I mean I close my eyes on EVERY punt and KO return now. I'm actually missing Shawn Slocum at this point!

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:57 pm

I would normally say no, but this shit show is not what I would call normal.

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Brad.S's picture

December 14, 2020 at 12:59 am

Is there some great, recently retired special teams coach who might want to work for the next 6 weeks? Couldn't hurt to make some phone calls?

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

December 14, 2020 at 07:37 am

Maybe one of the assistants could fill the role in the interim. Don't see how it can be made worse.

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edp1959's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:46 pm

Let's hear it from the ones who were saying last week how good this defense is. This defense flat out sucks....period!!!! Five penalties in one drive. When opponents are in the red zone they score 97.6% of the time...that is dead last.

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Packerpasty's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:25 pm

and if they want to go for the 2pts thats also a given...I will be highly surprised if this defense/special teams helps this team to a championship...

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Ernesto's picture

December 13, 2020 at 09:49 pm

I respectfully disagree with you. This defense is way worse then flat our sucking. Way worse.
I laugh ironically at how they have 6 d backs and they collectively look lost. They dont know who is going to cover who and the tackling is horrid. One and done playoff season again.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 14, 2020 at 08:55 am

Ok.

We held Detroit to 14 points until garbage time. 51 rushing yards in 15 attempts. Final score of 24 is below league average. On the road.

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AndrewInAtlanta's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:47 pm

First point. Full stop

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canadapacker's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:47 pm

Second game in a row that was almost lost due to bad special teams. Even the onside kick, it appeared that we didnt know what to do.

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Packerpasty's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:26 pm

hell no they didn't, if it hits that one Packer who was trying to dance out of the way they would have easily had the ball...Crosby the only one on special teams who does his job...usually...

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Thegravedigger's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:48 pm

Well. Tell me this. Why the fuck was oren burks and the practice squad te on the hands team. In a traditional onside kick i get it, they were blockers for lazard. But wit this new 2020 banana kick, the guys on the front line have to be clutch guys, not deer in headlights burks and some dude off the streets. Its the deciding moment of the game, get your ballers on the field!!

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NickPerry's picture

December 14, 2020 at 06:48 am

Burks I sort of understood but that #49 ... Are you F***ing kidding me!

UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thegravedigger's picture

December 14, 2020 at 01:01 pm

Burks is a fine special teams guy. But not in a high pressure situation like that. Hes a deer in headlights at ilb. Thats why he cant even play ilb anymore. So how do you think hes gonna react in a situation like that wit the game on the line??

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Ernesto's picture

December 13, 2020 at 09:19 pm

ya this is on head coach. calls time out and dordnt bring team to sideline to go over rules and whats expected.
dumb ass packersbfidntbtealixe, once ball goes ten yards you dont stand and look st it you jump on the ducker hecsuse its anyone's ball.
foesnt this team practice!

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HighPlainsDrifter's picture

December 14, 2020 at 02:54 am

How does this incoherent gibberish get any thumbs up?

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Ernesto's picture

December 13, 2020 at 09:52 pm

fa;dlkfja;dlsk

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Ernesto's picture

December 13, 2020 at 09:52 pm

So your the head coach. You call a time out. You stand on the side line and do nothing instead of bringing your team over and going over what is expected and a quick review of the rules like oh ' IF THE BALL GOES MORE THEN TEN YARDS ITS ANYONE BALL YOU IDIOTS SO JUMPING ON IT MIGHT BE A DAM GOOD IDEA. The Lions came dam close to getting that ball before it went outa bounds.

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NickPerry's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:47 pm

Shawn Mennenga needs to keep his ass in Detroit. OMG...His units ALMOST blew a game again.

MVS BALLED OUT today. I love how Rodgers went to him right away, early and often. His TD catch was a thing of beauty.

Congrats to Davante Adams... 8 straight games with a TD and another game over 100 receiving yards. If this guy isn't 1st team All-Pro I call for drug testing of every voter!

Loved how MLF went to the run in the 2nd half. Aaron Jones had 4 carries in the first half. Different story in the 2nd half.

Hey JK Scott... Did you see Crosby tackle?? THAT'S how you do it!!!!!!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:54 pm

Hated the hire of Menenga. Thought he should have gotten one year and then the boot. Way too slow on that trigger. Pettine is a much better coordinator than Menenga. I don't know what worse I can say.

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Swisch's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:58 pm

More evidence that MVS has not only speed, but also good hands.

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Thegravedigger's picture

December 14, 2020 at 01:05 pm

His problem is confidence not hands. He got some back yesterday. Were gonna every bit of him in the playoffs. Rodgers is putting it in their hands. Lafluer is scheming em open. All the wrs gotta do is go get it. And we will drop 30. If this d can get enough sacks and maybe a pick we can hold teams under 30.

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LombardiSince65's picture

December 13, 2020 at 10:14 pm

I second that emotion. That old man kicker showed that young kid punter exactly how you prevent a touchdown when the other ten let you down.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:49 pm

Amos has turned his play up a notch or three last five games.
Savage as well.
Lowry has some apparent utility lately.
Some wrote King got picked on; I thought he held up okay.
Get Martin some snaps/experience so Kirksey can sit later.
Redmond had a play or two, as did Ramsey (and a penalty).
AR's jersey is clean again: 1 QB hit, no sacks.
I thought GB wore DET down and ran okay.
MVS has poor moments but this was a nice game until Lazard is all way back.
Tonyan and Lewis did their respective things.

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Coldworld's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:02 pm

I agree on King. Redmond is actually not a bad deep safety. Lowry ... his best game of the season: low bar but fair is fair. MVS’ touchdown was a hell of a hands catch. Martin needs more snaps as you say. Scott seemed to make some plays. I agree on Amos particularly.

Nothing can excuse ST’s showing yet again. Can’t have that, particularly with our D ( Scott actually had a good game and fortunately he wasn’t on the kickoff as he would have let the guy score). Our D cannot survive 7 point gifts to our opponents every week.

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Packerpasty's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:28 pm

why did Scott have a good game...he had an OK game, why did he boom the first punt five yards into the end zone...

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:46 pm

IIRC, it didn't land in the end zone. It wasn't downed by the coverage team, and it didn't bounce the right way. Still a 57 yarder with 37 net. The other punt was 44 yards with tremendous hang time, enough to force a fair catch at the Detroit 14.

Not a great game, but sounds like a pretty good one to me. I've been down on Scott lately, particularly his effort on tackles, so I don't think I am his apologist.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:40 pm

Agree on Redmond. He's an RFA ($3.2M tender).
Agree on Lowry; best might have been last week?
Scott and Amos brought the wood.
Amos has been doing that and limiting gains nicely.

With Jaire playing, teams will "pick" on King and Sullivan.
JK Scott likes domes.
Dome didn't hurt Crosby, but Kudos to him anyway. 58 is 58.
MVS looked like a #2 WR. Had the one oops play, but several nice intermediate catches and of course, the strong TD catch.
Bakh gave up a pressure or two.
Detroit got the ball out fast. OLBs beat the Detroit RT several times, but the ball was out so fast.

Since I forget, AR is ridiculously good.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:55 pm

And for that reason, Im not relaxed unless we're up by 21 and at least about midway into the 4th.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:01 pm

Well, we know he's not a dime LB.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:50 pm

Keke had good pressure and batted the ball down. I will present a McCarthyism, Obviously, Martin can move faster and his gap blitz just missed. Kirksey is a step slow and the only reason he is on the field is to cover his paycheck. If they want to succeed down the road get Barnes and Martin in the starting lineup. LaFleur seems to have at least banned the three man front for passing situations.

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Thegravedigger's picture

December 14, 2020 at 09:22 pm

I will say that martin and barnes were the ilbs when dalvin cook single handedly beat us earlier in the season. So i understand why they wanna play kirksey. But hes been sooo bad. I really hope they figure it out. That number one seed looking good for many reasons, including an extra week for raven greene to heal. He was sorely missed.

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Thegravedigger's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:50 pm

Where was rashan gary in the 2nd half?

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NickPerry's picture

December 14, 2020 at 06:53 am

I'm with you and several others TGR... I mentioned in a piece before the game that I'd live with the mistakes Martin might make to KEEP him on the field.

I'm actually super excited the Packers might have finally found an ILB. Now if Pettine doesn't totally screw him up before he's gone...

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Thegravedigger's picture

December 14, 2020 at 01:11 pm

I rewatched the game and redmond early on made a mistake and followed the te who was double covered and his man the wr on a screen picked up a first on a long yac run. Later on they tried the same thing and redmond reacted and caused a minimal gain with the tackle. He also had a pass defensed in coverage. Its good to see him be at least competent. Vernon scott as well.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 14, 2020 at 05:50 pm

Thanks. Sounds like he learned as well. I like him but he's another RFA.

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Demon's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:51 pm

Watching the GB special teams gives me the same awful feeling in my stomach as eating a day old double bean burrito with green sauce then washed it down with a 6 pack of Leinenkugels.

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Ernesto's picture

December 13, 2020 at 09:54 pm

I keep saying that Gutt pays no attention to player intellegence and speed. This team has a huge lack of speed at lineback, corner and safety and special team guys.

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Oppy's picture

December 15, 2020 at 03:22 pm

Your appraisal of the Packers lack of speed on the roster is spot on.

I mean, it's spot on if you had written it 4 years ago. Not remotely accurate today.. but spot on if you're talking about the 2016 or 2017 packers.

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gkarl's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:54 pm

My god we beat the Lions without a last second FG. Its a miracle!!! GPG

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Ollie1960's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:56 pm

A win is a win BUT just an awful defense.

Fire Pettine yesterday.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:55 pm

Maybe he's better back up in the box and let Smith or Montgomery run the sideline.

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PhantomII's picture

December 14, 2020 at 08:13 pm

yea, put him in the box w/ his headset and no place to plug it in.

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Lphill's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:56 pm

The penalties were unacceptable, we have the players on defense unfortunately we have Mike Pettine , special teams and or the defense will end this season, some here are happy just winning the North but that's not enough !

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edp1959's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:58 pm

Without #12 this team would be picking top 5 in the draft, now they are #1 seed with no help from a defense. Where are the so called QB expert idiots that hate Rodgers and said he is washed up and needs to be traded? Don't hear much from you lately, you know exactly who I am talking about.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:27 pm

Go pick a fight somewhere else...

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Packerpasty's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:30 pm

that could probably be said about many teams, without their star QB most teams aren't too great....but Packers would really be hurting cuz their backup is baaaad....

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Oppy's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:41 pm

I stand by every comment I've ever made about Aaron Rodgers' play, because they are objective and fact based.

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edp1959's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:53 pm

So Mr. Expert show us your "facts" that prove #12 is done. What do the stats for this year say?

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Oppy's picture

December 14, 2020 at 01:32 am

You should probably go back and find the posts that you apparently think I have written that stated that I thought Aaron Rodgers was definitively done.

You won't find them, because they don't exist.

What I have posted over the last 4-5 years are statements that Rodgers needed to get his fundamentals in order and start taking coaching or else he's doing more harm than good to the Packers. What I have said is he needs to stop throwing off his back foot, or willy-nilly side arming the ball for no good reason.

What I have stated in the past 4-5 years is that Rodgers needed to stop holding the ball looking for the deep shot and ignoring the underneath routes. What I have said is Rodgers needs to start taking what the defense gives him instead of throwing the ball away at record pace(s). What I have said is Rodgers needs to play within the system and get rid of the ball on time.

What I have said is that Rodgers developed a fear of the middle of the field that needs to be overcome.

All of that is what you'll find I've been harping about with Rodgers' game for the last 4-5 years. Shockingly, what you'll find people have been lauding Rodgers for this year in his resurgence? Almost all of those items have been addressed.

So, why don't you stop putting words in my mouth, and put your money where YOUR mouth is, and show me the posts where I've said "Rodgers is done". Go ahead. Find the posts. Show me.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 13, 2020 at 06:58 pm

I wonder what someone put in the water of the NFC East teams?

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packerbackerjim's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:01 pm

I could only get snippets of the game on Red Zone. For the second week in a row, Martin puts good pressure on the QB and gets promptly pulled. I really don’t give a rat’s ass for Pettine and his “packages “.

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PJS6680's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:02 pm

It will be hard to win a championship with these special teams.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:05 pm

More starters will be placed on sp teams in the playoff games.

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Crazedcamel's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:02 pm

Did Gary play in the second half? I don’t remember seeing him out there after an active first half.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:24 pm

Not sure. But all of the defense's stats (sacks, QB hits, TFL) came in the first half, and that's the half they gave up two very long drives in both plays and yards. Defensive stats were few and far between in the second half, but I thought there was still good pressure and the run defense was not an issue today at all, except on short yardage.

After all, GB gave up 14 in the first half and 10 in the second half, including 3 points mostly due to STs. For that matter, the 2nd half touchdown by Detroit was gifted to them by something like 5 defensive penalties on that drive. (GB got the benefit of multiple defensive penalties on one of their first half TD drives.)

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flackcatcher's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:48 pm

Fine game plan by Detroit. Pettine adjusted by going to man for most of the second half, and having both CB on the move. Stafford was good tonight. Pettine at times went to zero coverage and played both SS in the box with third one high. The number of offensive holding none calls was surprising. The Packer pass rush was good and did contain Stafford for most of the game. This defense is completely different without Raven Greene. Detroit picked on the weak side for the 1st half till Pettine made his adjustments. Pretty much shut down the Lions in the second half.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:02 pm

Nice comment with more info than mine, and you more clearly expressed what I was trying to say. I was wondering about Savage, Amos and Redmond being on the field so much.

Lot of no calls on offensive holding. OLB (I believe it was Preston) was blatantly held on a goal line play that I think ended up in a Detroit TD. Saw a few that could have been called on GB but I don't remember any quite so blatant.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 13, 2020 at 11:44 pm

Thanks TGR. There were two no calls on Detroit in that play. The P Smith helmet grab and the Z Smith tackle letting Stafford get by him. Ironically there was a holding call against King or Sullivan that gave the 10 yards and a fresh set of downs. Packers usually get called for offensive holding because their hands are outside the shoulder pads. There a couple of those which happen when their opposite number gets a step. Best example of that is MVS. When he couldn't get aligned he grab both shoulder pads and physically lifted the DB whom he was blocking.

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Packers0808's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:05 pm

You could switch the D coach and ST coaches for the Pack and if no one told us you wouldn't know the change took place! God they never improve!

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Lphill's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:08 pm

Do the Packers really need the bye? Leflur can't get this team ready week to week, that opening drive by the lions was embarrassing.

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PF4L's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:27 pm

Pettine

Who will be gone inside of 8 weeks.....mark it on your calender....PF4L said.....

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Packerpasty's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:31 pm

I agree, Lafleur has a lot of growing to do, seems to go into a lull in play calling every game for long periods, good thing for Rodgers...

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

December 14, 2020 at 07:43 am

Don't worry, we have a short week this week. That should help us against the Panthers on Saturday :).

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jlc1's picture

December 14, 2020 at 09:35 am

this is a useful point. I believe the Pack has absolutely bombed the last two years when coming out of a bye week.

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calabasa's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:18 pm

Can we talk about our elite TE? Tonyan is getting it done! Blocking, finding the soft spot, sure hands...great pick.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

December 14, 2020 at 07:46 am

Travis Kelce may have the most yards. But our Tonyan has the most TDs for a TE. I'll take that any time.

Last year Packers were forcing Graham on the field, which limited Tonyan's chances. Not any more.

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canadapacker's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:19 pm

I guess since I have calmed down and took a shot of mellowness, a WIN is a W in that column and as I said after the Eagles game - this LIons game is the biggest one of the season for us and it was. We are in the dance - that is our number 1 objective.starting the year. There are just to many variables left to figure out now but not only are we in the playoffs we are tied for the number 1 seed. Now we don have to worry if we stink the place out over next 3 games - we dont have to worry about beating the Bears even though they played well today because the Bears still suck. Why because we are in the dance and the chips will fall where they may. Right now the Lions are out - the Bears and Vikings are currently out. Those are the things that matter - no matter how lousy the D played at times no matter how lousy our special teams coverage is ( and our kicking was bang on - both punts and kickoffs.) We still are in the dance - Yahoo!!!!!

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:08 pm

The katty s were playing for a playoff chance too.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:20 pm

Random Thoughts: Barnes and Martin are rookies in the NFL. Gap coverage, Gap coverage, Gap coverage... Strange game no calls by the on field officials on both sides of the line. Stranger calls on the Packers secondary, no one has called it that tight all season... Never forget. Division games where everybody knows all your weakness. Ford field, weird things happen at the place. Lions 1st half game plan was the best against this defense all year. That said this defense really misses Raven Greene.(Heal Faster) Mental mistakes by special teams almost let the Lions back in the fourth quarter. Ron Zook. Pictures. Just saying... Aaron Rodgers is a football God right now. Stafford was elite for most of the game. Rodgers played a full level above that today, amazing. This offense is clicking at all levels, both Adams and MVS (WHAT!) were drawing double coverage all game long. As close to a grind it out game as we will see in the 'new NFL'. Down goes the Saints, DOWN GOES THE SAINTS. YES!!!!! Packers are the number 1 seed (this week). I need a (root) beer...

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PF4L's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:25 pm

Agree with Nags...12 penalties are out of hand. especially considering 5 of them gave the Lions first downs.
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Is MVS trying to change my mind?
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Patrick Mahomes 3 picks today. Almost as many as Rodgers threw all season. You ain't ready to hold the Title belt yet son!!
I joke :).......i have a ton of respect for Mahomes.
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All the comments in here about the Packer defense...all true. No need for me to repeat them. Championship caliber they are not.
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Good job overall Packers.
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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:04 pm

I guess two of Mahomes' INTs were tipped passes. Some luck, maybe some skill but Mahomes throws off platform really well.

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TarynsEyes's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:28 pm

Another batch of copy and paste Gut Reaction comments. Same thing week to week, all about the Defense and lately the Special Teams is getting near equal negativity. Wait, negativity? I thought that makes you not a fan. Wait, that lasts about 3-4 days and then all is great and awesome again.

This offense can score and so can the equal or better offenses against this defense and that is still the issue when playoffs begin. Whether as the one seed or two, the Defense and/or ST will be the liability in any loss that sends GB home in January. We knew it last year, we knew it at the start of this year, and we certainly know three quarters into this year. Why would we expect it to disappear at any point going forward. It's consistent lacking is as consistent as the offenses' success. With every win, we see why they will likely get booted.

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PF4L's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:33 pm

Well....you probably already know this seasons defense gives up 5 points a game more than last season.
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Which is why Murphy will take the training wheels off of LeFleur....finally.
And let him pick his own Def. Coordinator.
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In other news, i've missed your frightening face. But....at least the nightmares finally stopped.

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GVPacker's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:28 pm

Tarynfort12 Your comment peels like a church bell!

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December 13, 2020 at 09:22 pm

I, at times, offer my sermon to fans here, but like many of the church going, the words fall from the minds and memory quickly after. They all say amen, and then forget what the amen was for, and start anew next week, like confession, where the bad things are forgiven whether an attempt to change is actually attempted or not.

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HighPlainsDrifter's picture

December 14, 2020 at 03:27 am

If you attended a real church you would might actually encounter some good people. Instead, you cast your lot with some wacko, snake handling "congregation". A "congregation" where the people spend all of their time whining about how their perverted version of Christianity is persecuted instead of doing good works.

Try a traditional, mainstream church. There are plenty of Methodist, Presbyterian, Catholic, Baptist, etc. churches that would readily welcome you. You would be amazed at how much better you will feel about yourself by actually helping people in need, as opposed to pouring your effort and money into the hands of the charlatans.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

December 14, 2020 at 07:52 am

WOW!

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December 14, 2020 at 10:01 am

I attend no church nor give to charities as I find them full of hypocrites and thieves, but help people directly that I can and maybe not as much or often, but I know at least that whatever I do gets to the person I help.

I don't believe church is relegated to brick and mortar buildings, but believe that, if a God does exist, the whole world, every nook is a church. However, I really don't and surprised that you do, since you believe in science and science disputes the existence of a God. Hypocrite.

The Bible or any religious book are meant to create a guilty conscience and to be brainwashed into doing what you're told. They are no different from any cult or political belief, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Muslim etc, etc. All desire to control your being and every aspect of your life.

Call me whatever you wish, but I know who I am and I pretend to be nothing else, unlike you.

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Bear's picture

December 13, 2020 at 10:46 pm

You’re getting boring!

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Wenis's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:27 pm

The offense played well for the most part.

The defense and ST are just flat out atrocious week in and week out. No accountability and lack of fundamentals.

Special Teams coach is worse than Slocum ever was and that is saying something.

Another one and done come playoff time.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:29 pm

Speaking of "breaking news", could Fox just stop it with that incessant screen crawl? Damn, that's visually annoying.

Seriously, what would be the downside of lovingly setting Uncle Fester free now? Could our special teams get worse without his, erm, mentorship?

Amos had some really solid hits. And how about Mason from 58 yards!

Matt Stafford is one tough guy. Too bad he had to waste his talent in Dee-troit.

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Mojo's picture

December 13, 2020 at 11:21 pm

Had to give you a thumbs up about the annoying "breaking news" crawl.

Do we really need a hundred notices about how KC had clinched their division?

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HighPlainsDrifter's picture

December 14, 2020 at 03:30 am

Same here! My son pointed out the crawl to me. It was a bit overdone.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

December 14, 2020 at 07:54 am

Hmmm... if it had to be pointed out to you, I don't see how it could be classified as overdone :)

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December 14, 2020 at 09:43 am

You make an excellent point Pew. I was simply agreeing with the other commenters. Honestly, I never pay any attention to the scroll. My son pointing it out was the only reason that I noticed it. Once he pointed it out I thought that continued presence was overdone. However, I agree with and enjoy your light hearted point :).

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WilsonMaywick's picture

December 14, 2020 at 08:39 am

While we're on the subject of Fox's screen crawls, who thought it would be a good idea to replace actual photos of players with stupid drawings of the players. At least find a decent artist to render the images. My goodness.

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splitpea1's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:34 pm

Both teams played pretty much true to form. MVS, Davante, and Tonyan were great. Would have liked to see a little more of Lazard, especially later in the second half; didn't like the choice of a long pass to Adams late in the fourth quarter--should have been more conservative and tried to chew more clock instead, but Crosby bailed us out with his leg (is that his career long?). A workmanlike effort from the RBs got the job done.

A solid step towards gaining the #1 seed; Saints have the Chiefs at home next.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 13, 2020 at 10:12 pm

Just needed a bit more air on the ball and it is a TD and the Game is sealed. Perfect call and good D by the corner for Detroit.

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Spock's picture

December 14, 2020 at 05:23 am

Crosby tied his career long with the 58 yarder.

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johngalt's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:40 pm

Hearing a lot about Menenga. I’m not seeing how a coach’s strategy is the reason why ST sucks. At some point, all punts, kickoffs, FG’s consistently have the same goal. This team just lacks good players. You could have the best coach out there- he’s still gonna say “tackle the ball carrier”, or “hands team- head out and don’t touch it before it goes 10 yds.” They ain’t getting it done. It’s not gonna get better. At least Pettine has the excuse of down, distance, and situation.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:08 pm

Your comment sounds like the ST coordinator job is worth no more than $7.25 per hour with really not much reason to work any overtime.

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December 13, 2020 at 08:57 pm

Ha, yea, I guess that’s what I’m saying to some degree. ST requires execution more than strategy. I guess some planning does figure into some ST situations. Crosby and that damn drafted punter should BOTH kick it outta the end zone the rest of the year. I cringe when we kick or punt now, and can’t watch on side kicks- Hawks ruined those for me

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 14, 2020 at 02:48 am

Fair enough! And the truth is I don't know how much is coaching versus personnel. Teams have a zillion coaches but usually just one ST coordinator and one assistant, plus this year, Rayna Stewart, a quality control ST assistant. Stewart held the same position with Vanderbilt in 2018 when Menenga was ST coordinator there. Other than being a high school HC, Stewart has always been a quality control assistant (LBs and DL for the Titans in 2009 to 2011), whatever that is.

I could see an asst. coach for long-snapping, punting and kicking, and for coverage and return units. But it appears that teams go with just 2 to 3 ST coaches when all is said and done. And teams pay ST coaches less, as far as I can tell (the info on the salaries of coaches, particularly assistants, is hard to come by).

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:41 pm

I've seen enough of Kirksey to realize the criticism of Martinez was unfounded.

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canadapacker's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:48 pm

I believe he should be benched or maybe put on waivers. I cant stand his play and then when he takes those dumb penalties I just scream at the TV

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:12 pm

Patrick Graham is doing a great job running their defense. Jabril Peppers is the guy who fits the rover mold.

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Ernesto's picture

December 13, 2020 at 09:56 pm

Funny Martinez is having a pro bowl year with his new team. Some of the other players we let go are also having banter years. Apparently having a d coach who can actually help you with your game helps.

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Since'61's picture

December 13, 2020 at 10:57 pm

The Giants D sliced and diced by the Cardinals today. Martinez was not a factor. Thanks, Since ‘61

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canadapacker's picture

December 13, 2020 at 11:04 pm

Martinez was not dressed I believe. Look I am not a Martinez fan . He made a lot of tackles but they were always after they got a first down. We could not afford what the asking price for his talent and stats.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 14, 2020 at 03:01 am

Dexter Lawrence, Dalvin Tomlinson and Leonard Williams are the front three. That has to factor into Martinez' play. He has a 77.6 PFF grade and had a 73.6 grade for GB in 2018 when Clark had an elite year and Lowry had not started his regression. Martinez is a nice player but he isn't playing that much better than he did in GB but he has a better supporting cast. Fackrell is okay with NYG but down a little bit.

I know I replied to Since 61 even though this probably addresses imapayne, but reasons....

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December 14, 2020 at 08:07 am

Yeah, I'm not a fan of Pettines scheme. Although he seams to have streamlined things a little bit the last few weeks. We'll see how he does against the Titans.

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wildbill's picture

December 13, 2020 at 10:03 pm

We didn’t get rid of Martinez because of his play, we just deemed it wise not to pay 10 million/year at that position. Im glad he was a Packer and happy he is still doing well as he is a warrior and he will always be part of our “Packer Family”

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

December 14, 2020 at 08:00 am

Martinez is one of the bright spots for the Giants. Kirksey? More like a stain on the Packers... either whiff on the tackle or get called on holding!

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Tundraboy's picture

December 13, 2020 at 09:45 pm

There are times like today where the Offense is balanced and very dangerous. Gives me the feeling that we can win despite the defense and yes even despite the special teams.

At the same time it's still a crap shoot with the D in the playoffs, and as I said several times before, we're all going to be biting our nails anytime special teams is involved. Today was a perfect example of that for sure. On a positive note ,I know we lose this game with McCarthy and love that MLF put his foot on the gas to build a cushion.

No matter what this is going to be one exciting ride, just praying it doesn't end with a thud. Waiting for my #5 throwback in the mail and getting ready.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:15 pm

The only chance for this defense to be a difference maker is to play for the ball. Be more aggressive trying to snag INTs and get these guys swarming to the spot and trying to strip for fumbles. Playing zone is a joke and let the LBs dog more.

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Packer_Fan's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:47 pm

Way too many penalties. Defense holding. Yuck. I thought Rodgers had Lazard open underneath and a first down on that last long Adams shot. That one was on Rodgers.

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PackfanNY's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:48 pm

The defense drives me crazy. However, who exactly has a great defense? I think in the end the playoffs will become a crap shoot of not so good defenses vs really bad defenses.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 14, 2020 at 10:31 am

That's for sure.

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NJ-RICK's picture

December 13, 2020 at 07:53 pm

Nags excellent recap... Why is it at times so painful to watch the Packers play defense.... Is it the talent or the coaching that's the problem..? Or a combination of both..? How many 3rd an 18 are we going to see made easily by the opposition... The offense is still averaging over 31 points a game... Very impressive. Congrats to the Packers for wining the NFC north again. The goal now is to hold on to the #1 seed in the NFC.. All NFC playoff games in Green Bay. They have to let some fans in now... GO PACK GO...!!!

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Demon's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:41 pm

Basically there are 2 posters that consistently defend the D. Im sure they will be here shortly to tell us we dont know what we are talking about AGAIN.

I posted a few days ago that i was undecided if Pettine should be retained. Ive now decided, Pettine has gotta go!

I still believe there is too much talent and resources poured into the D to be that bad. I dont give a fluffy rats ass what their rankings are, the D is soft, unorganized and at times lifeless.

Pettine and Menenga will be needing a ride out of town when the packers season ends. Hopefully the city of Green Bay has a rail with 2 seats on it.

See ya fellas

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

December 13, 2020 at 09:25 pm

I'm with you. This time the D cannot claim it was "garbage time points". They still leaked points when the game was on the line. ST was even worse! Thank god Crosby was there to make the final tackle for that last kickoff return.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 14, 2020 at 03:06 am

They gave up 7 points in the second half. Detroit got a field goal off a 71 yard return. That's on STs not the defense. Not seeing a lot of points allowed. Detroit averages 23.8 and scored 24.

Average defense.

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Oppy's picture

December 14, 2020 at 06:42 pm

Preach it, TGR

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Ernesto's picture

December 13, 2020 at 10:02 pm

Ya this one is a puzzler for me. Do we have talented d backs who are poorly coached or do we have a d coach that is trying his best to get these guys to play better.
Personally I see a lack of quickness and agility on our dbacks. They cant play man and I think Pettine is well aware of this so his scheme, which I hate tries to make up for all this.
The Vikes are playing three rookies who cover man to man, tackle well and are quick to the ball. Rookies who make our three year guys look lost. Go figure.

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Since'61's picture

December 13, 2020 at 11:03 pm

And yet the Packers are 10-3 and the #1 seed and the Vikings season is over. Go figure. Thanks, Since ‘’61

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HighPlainsDrifter's picture

December 14, 2020 at 04:32 am

"I still believe there is too much talent and resources poured into the D to be that bad. I dont give a fluffy rats ass what their rankings are...".

We know that facts and statistics mean nothing to those of you in the science denying crowd. After all, the uninformed, "eye test" only observations of you people are so much more accurate than the substantive analysis of folks who use data to inform their opinions.

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Rossonero's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:01 pm

Score-wise, I had told my buddy we'd win 31-28, so I knew it'd be close. Division games are tough old games, and with Patricia fired, I figured that would inject some life in the hapless Lions.

There's not much else to say then what's already been said. Special teams continues to be a weakness and nearly cost us the game. It could cost us the season when we get into the playoffs if Mennenga doesn't tighten it up - fast.

Grateful for:
- Crosby hitting that 57 yarder
- Rodgers being super as usual
- MVS on that TD catch
- Our D getting home for several sacks
- JK Scott for not having to attempt any tackles

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:18 pm

Maybe LaFleur should take charge of sp teams.

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Thegravedigger's picture

December 13, 2020 at 09:05 pm

Tell me why daffney n burks were on the hands team? I understand as a traditional onside kick they would be the blockers for lazard. But wit the 2020 banana kick, them other guys need to be ready to jump on the ball. And baby burks is not the guy for that. They looked just like the falcons against the cowboys just watching til it went 10 yards. Problem was, lazard was being blocked out because it was a 2020 fuckin banana kick. Why werent they coached on what to do in this situation? That play and that hands team alone tells me that this dude menenga is not prepared. They just got lucky it went out.

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stockholder's picture

December 13, 2020 at 08:04 pm

This game was No Cakewalk. The Offense was the story. And had Stafford not sat in the last few minutes. Things would have looked different.

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December 13, 2020 at 08:55 pm

I don't know how much time is spent on special teams in practice but it needs to double the time they practice it and a big influx of starters onto it to strengthen their ability to make stops. I see a lot of guys on D and ST running stride for stride and not tackling early enough. MVS was locked in this game and as much as we all can be negative let's give him some love and hope we have turned a corner there. Gary is getting more playing time and is putting the pressure on. I liked a couple of the Blitzes by ILB and Savage....now do it a lot more often. OL did have quite a few offsides and "D" also. Winning the North is what matters. The #1 seed doesn't mean much for me. This team can come out flat at home/away and always after the bye or an extra weeks rest. All I want is for them to come out and act like they want it more than the other team and it starts with #12. If Rodgers really does want another ring he is going to have to push and pull this team there. I hope he does just that.

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December 13, 2020 at 08:58 pm

Can this d just close one out please? The middle of the defense was vulnerable before raven greene went out. Now? Shit. Kirksey is too damn slow. he was trying to cover backs and he just cant man. Amanendola blew by him. Alot of those plays over the middle might have been stopped had greene been in. At least some. The fake bubble screen that barnes bit on that went for 20 something, wouldve been greene. Kirksey wit the hold on the wheel route, couldve been greene. We held up better against the run, but they still got their 3rd n nines. So what does it matter?? Maybe vernon scott will play some safety with amos at the dime lb a little, but kirksey will continue to get exploited. Sullivan didnt play much better, if these guys wanna play man they better man up and do it. And where the fuck was rashan gary in the 2nd half???

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

December 13, 2020 at 09:19 pm

MVS forgot how to drop catches!
Good thing Crosby and not Scott is our last line of defense on kickoffs!

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Ernesto's picture

December 13, 2020 at 10:09 pm

Just an all around piss poor performance on d and we are talking a 5 win team we were playing. Stafford has not had a good year but you wouldn't know it today. I think the thing that fries a lot of us about the d is its the same scheme week in week out, There is no change.
I know I've heard Petunia bragging that if we have a good pass rush we dont need good pass defense, they wont be able to throw the ball. Ya maybe that would work if you have a steller pass defense but this team doesnt and we again gave up loooooooong drives and couldnt get off the field again. Same story as last year and the year before. The Pack are not a three and out defense.

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4thand1's picture

December 13, 2020 at 10:20 pm

NFL not for long Menningitus or whatever. The Pack has to be near or at the bottom on ST's.

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bigdave's picture

December 14, 2020 at 06:03 am

A win is great, but Detroit is not a very good team and we let them hang around all day. The defense has moments of great play followed by moments of "get your head out of your a$$". Special Teams are terrible although I did like Austin back there on punts...he seems to still have a little pep in his step

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