Gut Reactions: Packers beat Giants

Aaron's gut reactions from the Packers win over the Giants. 

  • I love Za'Darius Smith
  • Do they practice offense in Green Bay? Or just show up and say "Throw it deep, Aaron..."
  • Which is to say...the Packers offense is hard to watch at the moment. 
  • Matt LaFleur has no feel as a playcaller right now. None. 
  • Tough game for the offensive line trying to get anything going in the run game. 
  • What a play by Tramon Williams
  • JK Scott. He's back. 
  • Jamaal Williams trucking people and wanting more while his team is up big in the 4th quarter is a whole mood. 
  • Sooooooooooooooooooo close on the Vitale wheel route.
  • Another up and down game for Kevin King, but damn that pick was sweet. 
  • I want to thank both King and Darnell Savage for holding on to their interceptions.
  • Nice game from Geronimo Allison.
  • Love that Big Dog got a TD. 
  • I understand fans being upset that the Packers didn't just waltz through this game, but that's the NFL. You have to earn it. 
  • TBLS in victory formation. Love it. 
  • Love this team.
  • Go Pack Go. 
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Lphill's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:02 pm

Packers D was still giving you too much and couldn’t get off the field on 3 rd down , chalk it up to sloppy field? Still a good road win.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:06 pm

13 points.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 01, 2019 at 04:26 pm

Giants converted 5 out of 14 third downs.

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Packers2019's picture

December 01, 2019 at 09:43 pm

And they converted 3-3 4th downs.

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Kevin Carpenter's picture

December 01, 2019 at 10:01 pm

Incorrect. They couldn't get off of the field on 4th down. But when your opponent routinely gets down to 3rd and short, and you stop them, only to have them come back and sneak it on 4th and 1, it takes its toll on the defense. They were something to the tune of 5-14 on third down. That's a respectable number.

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edp1959's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:02 pm

21 of 33 for 249 and 4 TDS but let’s bitch about it.

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ollie418's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:08 pm

Ok, I will bitch. Defense blows!

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edp1959's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:10 pm

I have to agree with you on that.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:10 pm

I guess the players around Rodgers must have been better today than they were last week.

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Since'61's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:35 pm

I would say yes most of the players including Rodgers were better this week. Thanks, Since '61

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Leatherhead's picture

December 01, 2019 at 04:28 pm

But that would mean acknowledging that Rodgers didn’t play well earlier, and that he doesn’t carry this team. Are you sure you want to do that?

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Since'61's picture

December 01, 2019 at 08:57 pm

It means that Rodgers didn't play well last week or against the Chargers. But then again neither did the rest of the team.

As for carrying the team, Rodgers has not had to do that as much this season. He has been helped by his RBs and by the defense. However, the OL and the receiving corps has been inconsistent. Even Davante Adams and Aaron Jones dropped passes today. Fortunately it didn't matter. On the positive side Allison held on to a few today. MVS was MIA again.

They put up a graphic during today's game that the Packers average 3rd down yardage this season has been 3rd and 8.2 yards!!! That's a pretty sobering stat. It means the Packers have had plenty of 3rd downs with longer yardage than 8.2. This tells me that the Packers OL has not been very good on 1st and 2nd down and also that the Packers are beating themselves with penalties.

No QB is going to carry the team very far with that situation. Especially when the defense can easily double up on our only legit WR (Adams) and key on our best RB (Jones). The defense can blitz and force the QB to move off his spot and/or to hurry his throw. Fortunately, Rodgers plays smart enough to not make bad decisions with the football. He may not be carrying the team the way he did from 2012 to his injury in 2017 but he is still playing very smart football and not hurting the team while his RBs and defense are capable of carrying their share. Almost forgot to mention that even with all the criticism heaped at Rodgers his passer rating is over 100.0 for the season including a 125+ for today. Thanks, Since '61

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Swisch's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:58 pm

Fans can enjoy the win by the Packers and appreciate the good plays while still being concerned about deficiencies.
Solid win today, but we will have to play the Vikings eventually, maybe even the 49ers.

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Bure9620's picture

December 01, 2019 at 04:17 pm

That's funny

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Christian Roussel's picture

December 01, 2019 at 07:35 pm

You're absolutely right. But there's still things we see that are maddening. Packers are clearly the better team but at the end of the 2nd quarter, when the Giants are closing in, AR12 goes to the 2 minutes offense with no flow, no fire in his eyes and no sense of urgency. Enough to beat the 2-9 Giants but against a good team, might cost you the W.

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dobber's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:06 pm

Final score about what we'd hope for. A bounce back win against a bad team they should beat and beat handily after getting their heads handed to them by the 9ers. We've seen this each time this season, which bodes well for the makeup of this team. Forcing TOs is a good thing.

Washington currently beating Carolina in Carolina, but it's another game they should win handily next week.

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Swisch's picture

December 01, 2019 at 04:07 pm

Good comment, Dobber. Any win in the NFL is a good thing, and especially after a loss.
Since the Packers were one of the bad teams the last two seasons, it's good to be now beating the bad teams, and even when not at our best.

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ollie418's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:07 pm

Big deal. Their defense still sucks and so does the play calling. Ain't going anywhere in playoffs.

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Since'61's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:34 pm

Way to stay positive. Why are you bothering to watch if it doesn't matter to you? Thanks, Since '61

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ALLGASNOBRAKES's picture

December 01, 2019 at 06:56 pm

No Shit Since '61...Why bother watching, commenting, or even coming to CHTV period?

No offense Ollie and I hate saying stuff like that but God damn man. Just another observation...That TD catch by Shepard of the Giants was ONE HELL of a catch. Otherwise, the defense gave up 2 rat ass FG's...About what you'd expect when you play a "BAD" team.

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CheeseHeadz's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:36 pm

Then stop waisting your time commenting. We are still way better than we were last year. We are improving. This is a big change from the past 2 seasons.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 01, 2019 at 04:31 pm

It’s a small change. The biggest difference over the last two years is that w are healthy, especially at QB.

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johngalt's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:36 pm

im guessing you tend to be the guy with a wide open space around him at parties and such?

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Since'61's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:41 pm

Are you kidding? He doesn't get invited to parties. Vikings and/or Lions fans or whatever type of fan he is don't have anything to have a party about. Thanks, Since '61

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Jonathan Spader's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:46 pm

Lions can celebrate another high draft pick.

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SterlingSharpe's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:39 pm

U might be right.
But in 2010 you'd have been saying the same things too, when the Packers stumbled their way to an 8-6 record with desperation setting in.
We were barely better than average heading into week 16 that year!
And what happened after week 16?

So....ya never know.

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wildbill's picture

December 01, 2019 at 07:10 pm

Except the 6 losses were by 20 total points with 4 points being the worse loss twice. Big difference from a couple poundings we suffered this year

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sam1's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:50 pm

Stay with coconuts or whatever by your pictures, we don't fans who think they are good for something !

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4thand1's picture

December 01, 2019 at 04:24 pm

wow, you suck

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Tundraboy's picture

December 01, 2019 at 06:43 pm

Not really. In 2010 we had an excellent D.

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Qoojo's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:08 pm

- NYG showed why they are a bad team. Mistakes just keep piling up.
- Packers: Has there ever been a more dysfunctional looking 9-3 team?
- Nice to see a snow game

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cpabandit's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:37 pm

Still can't understand how the Packers lost to a beaten up and injured Eagles team. By the way, the Eagles just lost to the Dolphins. The Dolphins! That Eagle loss could be big in playoff rankings. Packers dysfunctional? No, they're just a very good team, NOT a great team.

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GVPacker's picture

December 01, 2019 at 06:30 pm

They lost to the Eagles because it was a short week for the Packers! Play on Sunday Loose on Thursday! For the good of the game Thursday Night football needs to be abolished!

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ollie418's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:08 pm

Kevin King is just brutal. Cut his ass!

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CheeseHeadz's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:37 pm

King has been missing a lot. Don't see him sticking around.

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dobber's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:46 pm

Not this season. He's played a lot.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 01, 2019 at 05:44 pm

Yeah, he has. He's our 3rd leading tackler (yeah, the problem with our defense is two of our best tacklers....sheesh). He also has 3 times as many interceptions as anybody else on the team. He also plays about 80% of our snaps on defense......apparently, the coaches who get paid good money to figure these things out aren't smart enough to know they should just get rid of this guy before his contract is up.

Lots of really ignorant comments today. More than normal.

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mrtundra's picture

December 04, 2019 at 09:52 am

Put King in man to man defense instead of zone coverage and you see a lot better play from him. King is having a great season for the Packers. He is a bright spot on defense.

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albert999's picture

December 01, 2019 at 09:57 pm

Or at least stop letting him on camera until he gets his teeth fixed
He’s got the money

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Lare's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:09 pm

Nice to get the Win, even if it was against a pretty poor team.

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dobber's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:11 pm

You can only beat the teams you play.

Just win, baby!

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:27 pm

You are a hoot, LoLare! Didn't your crystal ball predict a Packers loss just a few posts ago? Try to enjoy this one, little buddy. You'll have a whole week to ramp up gloom and doom for the next game.

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pacman's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:11 pm

Can't tell much from sloppy conditions but if Giants could hold their D line, that means our O couldn't create any holes - and it showed. Giants looked at the recent tape and saw that GB can't beat pressure. They don't have the manpower to do it but they seemed to always be close. Some really bad throws by NY. What would score have been without the INT's? Even though the score showed a fairly big win, it didn't feel like it.

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dobber's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:19 pm

"What would score have been without the INT's? "

I'm not going to complain when the defense makes winning plays...

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deerskinlake's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:29 pm

Giants win this game in decent weather. Packers are such a slow team and the snow conditions helped them Bigley.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:32 pm

So you can predict the future. Good for you.

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Since'61's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:39 pm

The Viking troll is back and didn't notice that the Packers played with a lead for the entire game. I guess that is what 60 seasons of Vikings futility can do to someone. Thanks, Since '61

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dobber's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:41 pm

Then I guess it's a good thing they play home games in a cold-weather city.

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Since'61's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:44 pm

Another cookie for our winner! Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:48 pm

Hold on, deerskinlake, you need to define "decent weather" before we can engage in this heady debate. While you're doing that for us, ponder this. What if Robert Tonyan traveled back in time (he can, you know) and injured baby Daniel Jones so he was unable to play football. Who wins THEN, smart guy? Huh?

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CheeseHeadz's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:40 pm

What would have made it better for you? Maybe change your name to captain complainer lol.

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Gort's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:53 pm

Or maybe he should change it to "Bigley".

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edp1959's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:13 pm

Message to #12, Nagler says you can’t throw any deep balls next week.

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Since'61's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:30 pm

Maybe this game will keep all the Rodgers haters away for this week at least. He made some perfect throws with defenders hanging all over him. The third throw to Allison (which Allison actually held on to) and the TD throw to Lewis were Rodgers only type of plays. Perfect TD strikes to Lazard and Adams as well. Go Pack Go!
Thanks, Since '61

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WestWi_Packfan's picture

December 01, 2019 at 05:49 pm

Aaron has had a up and down year, lets be honest. But you can be critical of his play without being a hater so I think thats a little strong

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Since'61's picture

December 01, 2019 at 09:00 pm

WestWi_Packfan I have not seen you post here before so obviously I am not referring to you or your post(s). There are a few posters who vehemently don't like Rodgers. I'll say it that way rather than use the word hate.

During today's game they put up a graphic which showed that the Packers average 3rd down yardage this season has been 3rd and 8.2 yards. Those types of 3rd downs are difficult to convert whoever the QB is. That stat tells me that the Packers OL has not been very good on 1st and 2nd down and that we are hurting ourselves with penalties on offense. We saw some of that again during today's game but Rodgers was able to overcome some of those situations with a 3rd down throw to Allison while he had defenders hanging off of him and a perfect 3rd down TD strike to Adams in the second half. He also made a nice 3rd down throw on an about pattern to Allison.

The point is that Rodgers has been up and down this season but he is still playing smart football and not making bad decisions with the football. He play has not hurt the team or cost the team a game. The losses to the Chargers and 49ers were bad team losses and not just on Rodgers. The Eagles game was a desperate team and poor execution in the redzone. Even with all the vehemence and calumny heaped upon Rodgers so far this season he has a QB rating over 100.0 including a 125+ QBR today. 9-3 and 1st in our division, I'll take it for now. Thanks, Since '61

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flackcatcher's picture

December 02, 2019 at 05:47 am

Actually, throwing deep made perfect sense on a wet field that started to glaze over. Offense players have an advantage in knowing the snap count and where play side is. Uh, home field. Green Bay Wisconsin. Brown Country. Like the man has never played in this weather before....

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hodge555's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:14 pm

No game is a gimme in the NFL, you have to win them all.
Look at the Dolphins taking it to the Eagles. Even the Bengals finally win a game.
As a bonus the 9ers lost, that might help a bit later in the season.

Hey, we're not playing perfect football but we're 9-3 and top of our division, just enjoy it.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:36 pm

Exactly hodge555! It's tough to enjoy the ride when all you're focused on is the destination.

If we hop over to an Eagles fan site can read how Carson Wentz' window for a second Super Bowl has been wasted by Doug Pederson and Jim Schwartz inept coaching. Maybe if Jason Peter lost weight he could play tight end? They should have brough in Antonio Brown! Someone needs to dock their pay and light a fire under Jim Schwartz because this Eagles team blows!

As dobber posted, you can only beat the teams on your schedule, and the Packers are 9-3. Go Pack Go!

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cpabandit's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:42 pm

This Eagles team that you said blows were beaten up and injured and beat the Packers. Yes, you can only beat the teams on your schedule and the Packers lost to the Eagles and the Chargers.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:57 pm

Stay with me, cpabandit. The paragraph you're referencing was my attempt to create a post on an Eagles fan website. I was attempting satire of what we read here regarding Rodgers, MLF and the new coaching staff. My point was, enjoy the victory today, and the season thus far.

Go Pack Go!

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cpabandit's picture

December 01, 2019 at 07:25 pm

LeotisHarris, sorry buddy, didn't realize what your aim was in your text. Go Pack Go!

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 01, 2019 at 08:15 pm

cpabandit, no worries, friend.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:16 pm

Tough day for Tonyan. Missed a block on a run off right tackle. False start. Hold on the td run that was called back. O receptions on 1 target.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:32 pm

Sternberger is clearly the better player. Get him involved in the passing game.

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Grandfathered's picture

December 01, 2019 at 04:36 pm

I thought Tonyan was more accomplished blocker than the rook. Speaking of TE they finally use Lewis in the red zone where I think he's a bigger threat than Graham, but just my opinion.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 02, 2019 at 03:46 pm

Sternberger controlled the Carolina edge and was effective downfield blocking. He has a solid record as a TE being ALL -SEC in 2018. He was drafted as a three pick--use him.

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PeteK's picture

December 01, 2019 at 05:01 pm

He is still an unknown, he's been back a few wks and hasn't seen the field yet. Until I see him play, we still need a TE next year.

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dobber's picture

December 01, 2019 at 07:15 pm

He played a few offensive snaps right after he was activated, but only ST since.

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Swisch's picture

December 01, 2019 at 05:07 pm

Good, good, TGR, keep up the comments on Tonyan and he'll become the next Lazard.
;-)

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 01, 2019 at 06:24 pm

IDK. I never thought much of Lazard, but I had/have hopes for Tonyan. If we're doing superstition here, I don't know which attitude to take towards Tonyan!

A win is always good in the NFL. I didn't take a lot away from this game. The Giants' DL is very stout and we had some trouble running up the middle. Better off tackle or wide. Expected. Jamaal ran really hard. He definitely belongs in the NFL. Happy that Adams and Lazard took advantage of a pretty terrible secondary that is matched to a stout DL that gets some push but ultimately lacks juice (just 2 QB hits - some pressure though). No pass rushers in the LB corps. Disappointed that MVS and Kumerow couldn't do any damage, though I didn't see Kumerow. GB again had a big-play offense that lacks consistency. I'd like to see Lazard have the big plays, yes, but paired with some chain-moving moderate receptions.

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Swisch's picture

December 01, 2019 at 06:53 pm

No superstition here, TGR, just good-natured ribbing.
As the Badgers showed yesterday, one way to beat the run is with a creative passing game, including a middle-screen to a tight end, and getting running backs involved as pass catchers. Plus, I love those end-arounds.
It seems important to realize, or remember, that being committed to the run game doesn't mean just getting stuffed on handoffs between the tackles again and again and again. If the defense is stacked up against the run, then a short passing game can take the place of the running game to a great extent. Instead of running into a wall repeatedly, go over it, or around.
Even if the results don't show it yet, I hope the Packers are in the process of honing a kind of short passing array (including the utilization of Lazard to move the chains) as adapted to the pro game.

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Guam's picture

December 02, 2019 at 08:42 am

Props to Bulaga for playing through an injury and giving up zero sacks. Packer O-line is not deep and Bulaga has been a warrior this year.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 01, 2019 at 07:35 pm

There's a reason he's not playing ahead of Graham. Graham is overpaid, imo, but that's on Gutekunst and football outsiders.com ranks Graham 10th in DVOA long TEs. He's a starting caliber TE in this league, and Tonyan isnt.

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EdsLaces's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:21 pm

Safe to say the Lazard King is our #2 at the moment? Decent enough performance in crap weather. Gpg!

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sonomaca's picture

December 01, 2019 at 11:57 pm

If Richard Rodgers’ foot is healed, they should take a look. Desperate for anyone who can catch a pass.

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craigd81's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:26 pm

It seemed throughout the game MLF used Graham and Lewis on most passing downs and Tonyan and Sternberger on running downs...does that confuse anyone else? I'd love to see Tonyan/Sternberger hit the seam on a 3rd and 5 for a 6 yard completion! Frustrating.

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Since'61's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:27 pm

Nice win on the road in difficult weather conditions. Good to see our DBs hold onto their picks. OL played pretty solidly. Z. Smith with pressure on the QB all game. Good game for Jamaal Williams. Rodgers was Rodgers with some unbelievable throws with defenders hanging all over him. Back to Lambeau for our next 2 games. Routing for Seattle later, which I hate to do but we need the Viqueens to lose. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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GVPacker's picture

December 01, 2019 at 06:37 pm

Since'61 I value your opinion here's my question to you I'm concerned about the Packers O-line do you think the Packers can make a DeepPlayoff Run with the way the O-line has performed this season? Those blow out loses to the Chargers and 49ers were very disconcerting?

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Since'61's picture

December 01, 2019 at 08:16 pm

GVPacker - First I'm going to make the assumption that the Packers OL reaches the playoffs healthy. That is one key factor to answer your question. The second key factor is where the Packers end up in terms of playoff seeding. I believe that if they can get a bye and play at Lambeau they can make a deep playoff run.

The entire team including the OL play better at home than they usually do on the road. Now they could end up with the #3 seed and get a home game for the wildcard round. That would they would go on the road to either New Orleans, Seattle or SF as I'm assuming that 2 of those 3 would be the 1 and 2 seeds. As of today I don't think the Packers OL can go on the road and hold off those DLs. Maybe against Seattle but not SF or NO. Even if they did win at Seattle they would have either SF or NO on the road. Both are big hills to climb.

However, there is plenty of football between now and the post-season. Maybe the Packers become the hot team going into the playoffs. Maybe the OL comes together better than they have for most of the season. Anything is possible.

To sum up, the Packers have a good shot at a deep playoff run if they play at home. If not, I would not expect a very deep run this season. But I would never count them out either. Thanks, Since '61

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splitpea1's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:35 pm

You're right about MLF not calling the right plays now--he's not zigging when he should be zagging, and vice-versa. Very predictable and no imagination whatsoever. Did anybody see that Dolphins formation and touchdown against the Eagles? That was pretty cool.

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Gort's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:49 pm

Not only play calling but execution too and especially on first down. Got behind the sticks on early downs for much of the middle part of the game.

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fthisJack's picture

December 02, 2019 at 07:52 am

hmm....he's not zigging when he should be zagging?

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DaveSquared's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:37 pm

And we love you Nags!

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Gort's picture

December 01, 2019 at 06:48 pm

Only heard Rashan Gary mentioned once and not for an impact play.
Moving closer every game towards " bust" territory.

EDIT - apologies for my typo error, Rashan is now corrected.

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GVPacker's picture

December 01, 2019 at 06:23 pm

Davante Adams was roasted on this site quite often during his first year with the Packers and look at him now! Don't you think it's a little premature to consider Gary a bust so soon?

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Gort's picture

December 01, 2019 at 06:54 pm

Adams = 2nd round, 53rd overall, 9th WR selected, high expectations.
Gary = 1st round, 12th overall, 2nd OLB selected, huge expectations.

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December 01, 2019 at 07:12 pm

197th use of Davante Adams "was bad his first year" as an excuse for Gary. Not working. #12 in a loaded draft and we picked the one guy widely considered the biggest bust possibility. Gute screwed up. Hollywood Brown, Oliver, Burns, at least two dozen others playing lights out. Gary r uns fast for a big man, buts awkward as hell. A bust.

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December 02, 2019 at 03:41 am

Davenport in New Orleans didn't do squat his 1st year and is playing a lot better in his 2nd. We almost had him. I'm willing to give him a little time.

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Tarynfor12's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:39 pm

The Packers added to their ' most in the league ' benefit of more PI's in their favor and the weekly Ref's screamers that they are against us are likely silent this week.

Winning a game they should have won is no big deal and not one to celebrate to extreme,as they still looked off and it didn't take much from the Giants to show it.

A somewhat boost in confidence for GB after an ass kicking but that kind of confidence,more false than true, gets in one's head easily.

Washington giving Carolina as much, if not more than the Packers did, so it would seem Washington will be coming to play.

On a positive personal note...my over ticket secured a push so I can now only win...cha-ching!

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 01, 2019 at 04:05 pm

"Winning a game they should have won is no big deal and not one to celebrate to extreme,as they still looked off and it didn't take much from the Giants to show it."

Do yourself a favor, review all Packers championship seasons and look at the margins of victory in each game. Winning a game you should win is a very big deal, because when it's all said and done, it's not how, it's how many.

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Adorabelle's picture

December 01, 2019 at 06:04 pm

Any win on the road is a good thing. An 18 point win where we think they didn't play so well even better.

What are you buying us with your winnings? :)

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SteelyPhil's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:47 pm

To start off, very happy about Z, very happy about the 3 picks, very happy with Rodgers making vintage throws, and of course very happy with the win.

This team, though, particularly on offense, is so infuriating to watch at times. The 3rd and 2 deep incompletion, although defensive holding netted us a first, was such a boneheaded playcall and hearkened back to the MM days. So, so many 3rd and long situations. Rodgers snapping the ball just as the play clock expires and burning time outs to avoid delay of game penalties seem to be fixtures of this offense as long as 12 is under center, sad to say. The offensive line allowed so many tackles for loss setting up those 3rd and 13's - not sure if that's on Jones, the line, or MLF's playcalling, but boy oh boy does that suck, especially against an inferior opponent.

On the defensive side, we're lucky Shurmur didn't utilize Smith more because we could not cover him. Pettine going super soft on a 4th and 5 was baffling. Z put up a ton of pressure on D. Jones and some costly mistakes turned into three interceptions. Barkley was mostly contained aside from a few solid runs. Packers fans are going to complain about every little thing even in a decisive win like this, but I've been of the opinion that consistency on the offensive side of things has been more of the problem this season than the defensive play, problematic as it has been at times. Today, the defense and the offense held up just fine, as they should against an inferior opponent. Let's repeat next week. GPG!

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Farts_After_Wins's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:48 pm

*poot*

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Gort's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:56 pm

Delayed *poot* today?

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GVPacker's picture

December 01, 2019 at 06:26 pm

Raisin Bran might help with that!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 01, 2019 at 06:28 pm

Any *poot* is a good poot, um, I guess.

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Gort's picture

December 01, 2019 at 06:58 pm

Beware of lumpy *poot*s ! !

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CheeseHeadz's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:53 pm

Good Win,Go Pack Go!
Head coach is a rookie play caller. Some of the plays had me scratching my head. Either he calls better plays or higher someone to do it.
Defense still gives up big gashes across the field. Packers should be looking to spend on o line and LB because o line needs help and Blake is not the answer.
Kevin King make too many consistent mistakes. He has been around long enough to work out these kinks. He needs to do better or he needs to be gone in the off-season.

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Lphill's picture

December 01, 2019 at 03:59 pm

Where did all these haters come from lately,I guess a bunch of nervous Viking fans. It must suck to lead the league in post season losses.
SKOL

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JerseyAl's picture

December 01, 2019 at 07:05 pm

I just booted a couple.

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Gort's picture

December 01, 2019 at 08:48 pm

I don't mind the banter with folks from the opposition, but mean, obscene, and disrespectful comments are what drove me away from another fan website. Thank you for what you do keep CheeseheadTV a great forum.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 01, 2019 at 04:06 pm

Random thoughts. Packers had a run game today against a very good Giants front 7. Offensive line will not get enough credit for what they did today. For the most part Rodgers ran the scheme which made his play action far more effective which led more of his WR open in the patterns. While Rodgers wants to throw deep strikes, teams are set and waiting. Run game was effective, forced Giant safety's up, gave Rodgers the extra 3 seconds he needed. Hope he gets what MLF is doing for final four. Winter Wonder Land. Ugh! Hope nobody else other than P. Smith and Gray twisted their ankles on both sides. Glad to see Bakh and Bulaga emerge clean, no replacements (yet) for either of them. Rare event, noon game. My body clock is all messed up... Yea Mason, a pro's pro. JK Scott flip the field twice... That's the NFL for you, just a half step from complete collapse. (But not today) 9-3, can you believe.... I need a (root) beer.......

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Adorabelle's picture

December 01, 2019 at 04:29 pm

At times Rodgers doesn't seem to see the guy I see open and I am just some doofus on her couch. But then that 4th down completion with his legs held - just wow.

The Packers can't run on short yardage. Having to throw on 3rd and 1 is a big disadvantage. lol

Z Smith was up in there all game long today. He was revved up.

In the NFL any time you can have a "get right game" on the road that is an awesome thing. Offense scores 30, D gets 3 turnovers - cool.

12 wins or more seems very realistic and the fan base seems to want to complain about it. Amazing.

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SteelyPhil's picture

December 01, 2019 at 04:38 pm

It's really hard not to complain because the no-show in LA, the tough win against Carolina (who just dropped to Washington of all teams), and the humiliating loss to SF out of a bye week are still fresh in our minds. I'm as thrilled as anyone that we're 9-3 with a path to winning the NFC North and a first-round bye, especially given this is MLF's first year as HC, but this team can be very frustrating to watch and the weaknesses have been exposed and exploited now on multiple occasions. Can we beat elite competition down the stretch? We're justifiably concerned.

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Adorabelle's picture

December 01, 2019 at 06:08 pm

of course this team isn't going to win the Super Bowl without getting very hot in January. I guess I am comparing to the last two season's misery and everyone else is comparing to 1996 or 2010. Though of course in 2010 right about now was when half the fan base was signing off and saying see y'all next year and then look what happened.

But this was a game on the road, holding the home team to 13 points and winning by 3 scores. I will not understand the hand wringing about it.

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4thand1's picture

December 01, 2019 at 04:29 pm

Some people need to get booted. Dam trolls. Another winning season in the books, lets go for 13-3.

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JerseyAl's picture

December 01, 2019 at 07:09 pm

It has been done.

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4thand1's picture

December 02, 2019 at 05:51 pm

youdaman

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Swisch's picture

December 01, 2019 at 04:51 pm

Let's hope the Packers can continue to find ways to win games, while at the same time working to refine the offense in terms of imagination and execution.
It was so much fun yesterday to see the normally predictable Badgers open up their offense in a big win against the Gophers. After the running game was stopped cold early, the team showed a surprising array of short and long passes, with wonderful creativity and effectiveness, in a way I hope the Packers will adapt to the pro game -- utilizing a fullback named Stokke as a pass catcher the way I hope we eventually use Vitale, for example, and mixing in screens and end-arounds, and getting pass catchers matched up with linebackers for big plays.
In other words, this win is a big deal, but we still need to keep improving to avoid a horrible thud later on. At least in practices, I'm hoping Rodgers is really serious about crafting an artistic short game of precision and grace.
Maybe, like the University of Wisconsin, we'll see a much improved offense with an array of pleasant surprises when the Packers make their own trip to Minnesota in a few weeks.
I'm appreciating the moment, but let's never stop striving for better.

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stockholder's picture

December 01, 2019 at 05:13 pm

Arron Rodgers to the press. I had a great game plan! Bombs away! Speaking of Bombers. Danica Patrick must be the nose art. Lazard had a great game! The OL came back! Za Darious Smith is so impressive. Couldn't help but think the others just watched him go. Keep Tramon Williams on the TEs. Sign Clark!

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Bure9620's picture

December 01, 2019 at 05:24 pm

A win is a win in this league, however I still can't help but feel this team is a few players away to actually contend and beat great teams. They have issues on offense, really couldn't run it at all, not a good sign. Still susceptible to big plays on defense. Though, they take the ball away and keep teams out of the EZ. I still like us going to BOA Stadium at 11-3. Need to get hot.

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WestWi_Packfan's picture

December 01, 2019 at 06:18 pm

I thought the team showed character coming back from their worst loss of the season. It wasn't great but it was good enough and I'm hoping that their best football is yet to be played. Hopefully down the stretch the Defense can play like they did earlier this year and the Offense can be more consistant

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Tundraboy's picture

December 01, 2019 at 06:37 pm

Didn't get to watch much but I did see that 3rd and 1 deep shot to Davante. Come on! Snowing, wet field, on the road ,offense not clicking, move the god-damned chains Rodgers. Should never have been so closé in first half .

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JerseyAl's picture

December 01, 2019 at 07:11 pm

nothing they do drives me more insane...

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JohnnyLogan's picture

December 01, 2019 at 07:17 pm

Is it Rodgers or is it LaFleur? Happens so often I'm beginning to believe Rodgers is overruling his coach regularly.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 01, 2019 at 07:53 pm

I know. This one was a beauty though. After the last few weeks, I was still absolutely shocked. And pissed.

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MaxPayne's picture

December 01, 2019 at 08:13 pm

Pack did what they had to do. Few mistakes, took advantage of giants weaknesses. Overall good game.
Giants are in rebuild and will be a force in two years for sure. They never gave up so cudos to them too.
Ps. Two of our interceptions were our d backs playing poorly. They were in places they shouldnt have bern under petines scheme. He is a dork imo

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aimnfires's picture

December 02, 2019 at 02:36 pm

- Rodgers missed a few open receivers. Some very nice throws while getting tackled.
- MLF play calling is hideous. Looks exactly like what he was calling in Tennessee last year and we know how that went.
- Any team can beat any team on a given day… especially when playing at their place. Was not as easy as I thought.
- Snapping the ball at 1 second left on the play clock sucks. No tempo at all.

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