Gut Reactions: Packers beat Raiders

Aaron's gut reactions from the Packers 42-24 win over the Raiders 

  • Aaron Charles Rodgers is an MVP candidate 
  • I mean, what a freaking game from 12
  • One of these days, he's actually going hit MVS in stride. 
  • Marquez Reshard Valdes-Scantling is fast. 
  • Danny Vitale is a weapon in the passing game. 
  • Nice hustle play by Martinez to cause the Carr fumble, which was the turning point of the game. 
  • Sweet atonement for the early drop by Allen Lazard. What an incredible catch in the 3rd quarter. 
  • Jimmy Graham made someone miss! 
  • Tough day at the office for Blake Martinez
  • The offensive line was absolutely outstanding today. Rodgers had clean pockets all day. 
  • It was only a matter of time until we witnessed Touchdown Jesus. Hallelujah.
  • The Packers had no answer for Darren Waller. None. 
  • This team needs Darnell Savage back in a big way. 
  • Rodgers standing in the pocket and delivering a strike for a first down, knowing he was going to get clobbered. That's the stuff. 
  • Pretty incrdible to see Rodgers put up the numbers he did today with a banged up and inexperienced supporting cast.
  • Speaking of that supporting cast, the work they are getting now is going to pay off big time down the stretch later this season. 
  • The dance the defense did after the King interception just made my heart sing. 
  • I love this football team. 
  • Go Pack. 
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Farts_After_Wins's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:03 pm

*poot*

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Oppy's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:28 pm

Okay, who's the character around here who thinks his "stuff don't stink" and has the nerve to downvote the victory poot?

It's an institution, man. A freakin' instituition!!

;)

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Barazinho's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:34 pm

Maybe he has PTFD.

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Since'61's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:39 pm

I agree Oppy!!! Keep it going, it's good luck poot. Go Pack go! Thanks, Since '61

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 20, 2019 at 06:33 pm

Poot goes back a long way.

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4thand1's picture

October 21, 2019 at 08:32 pm

Hey down votes...................you suck!

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edp1959's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:03 pm

Thank god for #12. Defense is a concern.

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CoachJV's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:07 pm

The D is not a concern... they had a good game despite giving up yards. Call it a bad game if you want... It happens. Still not a concern.

Get with the team or STFU

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Oppy's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:15 pm

"get with the team or STFU" is awfully close to "If you're not a blind homer, you're not a fan".

I don't think the D is really a concern personally, but I can see why some fans might. Lots of lost coverage. uncontested completions, and a few big runs allowed.

I personally see the defense as resilient and they seem to come up with the big stops when they need them.. but there is room for improvement and there are things that could be a concern.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 20, 2019 at 05:00 pm

Goodson and Martinez are liabilities in coverage. Redmond was hesitant on his tackling which is understandable for a guy barely cracking 187# at the safety spot. Martine has to pick up his game and reads.

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Oppy's picture

October 20, 2019 at 07:32 pm

Redmond also drove a few guys straight into the turf today with picture perfect form tackles like he was shot out of a cannon.

Martinez definitely is not a great cover LB.

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edp1959's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:22 pm

I have my opinion and you can have yours. So you can STFU you ass.

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CoachJV's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:49 pm

Alright... I apologize,.. but geeze man... we won decisively, we held them under 20... had 2 great goalline stands and an int in the end zone. We haven't had a good defense in 8 years and a winning season in 2...

So why ya gotta hate? Everything is fine...

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ALLGASNOBRAKES's picture

October 21, 2019 at 04:35 am

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Since'61's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:10 pm

Why is the defense a concern??? They had a goal line stand and a pick in the end zone during the 4th quarter when it mattered the most. They could be better against the run but it didn't matter today. They were 25 points ahead with less than 2 minutes to play. I'll take that every week. Thanks, Since '61

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SterlingSharpe's picture

October 20, 2019 at 05:22 pm

Capital "G" please.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:03 pm

Wow. D gives up a lot of yardage, but not much scoring. Very opportunistic but, man, we gotta get better in coverage. Red zone has been awesome though. And this O is getting really fun to watch. Almost feel sorry for the rest of the league when Davante gets back.

Special teams still aren’t doing it. Haven’t seen much improvement there and I hope it doesn’t end up hurting us somewhere down the line.

I think that the Adams injury ends up helping this team. QB1 is spreading the ball around and everyone is getting in on the action. AR is gaining trust with most everyone on the roster. LOVE THIS TEAM!

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Norm's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:36 pm

Agreed, return and return coverage teams are a huge liability. If they don't fix that I predict it costs them a game at some point. I pray it's not a playoff game. Shepherd is gun shy on punt returns or else he's been told to fair catch it no matter how much room he has. And they should just take the touchback on every kick-off return.

That said, I don't want to be a negative Nancy: great game by the offense, great to see the young receivers getting some productive reps while Adams heals, and beautiful use of the backs and TE in the passing game. Great block by Jones on the MVS TD! This offense will be dangerous once Adams gets back if they can keep everyone else healthy.

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flackcatcher's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:38 pm

WR is a really banged up group. Great that they were able limit both MVS and GeMo snaps, coming off the concussion protocol I wonder how close they came to holding him out today. Important that Jimmy Graham? (I can never spell that guy name right) played today, much like the old Graham (Ugh) of four years ago. Both TE had excellent games today, but the group is really thin. Have to wait for injury report..

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Grandfathered's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:05 pm

Need to figure out the 2 and 3 TE look. Back end of Defense looked confused. Wonder if Savage makes that big of difference. Nice win for the offense.

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IDriveALambeau's picture

October 20, 2019 at 05:18 pm

yes sir they can't stand when the pack pulls through (commentators included)

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Faust14's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:05 pm

Life is good. Haters gonna hate. They hate us, 'cause they ain't us.

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CoachJV's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:06 pm

I love this team!!!

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Lare's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:58 pm

Nice win, but the defense gave up almost 500 yards to the Raiders.

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CAG123's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:14 pm

That joke is tired give it a rest already

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IDriveALambeau's picture

October 20, 2019 at 05:14 pm

yes sir they can't stand when the pack pulls through (commentary included)

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Since'61's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:17 pm

Lare the Packers gave up 17 points and had a goal line stand and an end zone pick in the 4th quarter to protect the lead, which was as high as 25 points before the garbage time TD. Capers D would have made that game much closer than it should have been. I'll take today's result every week. Thanks, Since '61

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Ds300916's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:42 pm

The packers are 6-1. Enjoy it. If you have to be 19-0 and win every game by 30 to be happy than I feel sorry for you.

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HeavenlyRa's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:06 pm

Everyone is saying that the defense is bad, but I imagine that past defenses, even last year's, would've let that be a much closer game than it had any right of being.

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4thand10's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:16 pm

And give credit to the other team, the came in with a game plan to use 2-3 tight ends. I believe 3 different TEs caught passes. That raiders team came i with a good plan to use all the TEs and slow down the GB pass rush. Im not concerned about the D. The Raiders had a good plan.

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CheesyTex's picture

October 20, 2019 at 10:10 pm

I hope Pettine figures it out this week, because Andy R. and the Chiefs have a week to see what the Raidahs did -- and they have Travis Kelce. Scary.

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Ryan3468's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:07 pm

Absolutely a great tune up game. Let’s get some healthy guys returning. Here is to many more victory formations!

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Since'61's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:07 pm

OK, now we've seen what Aaron Rodgers can do when the coaching staff let's him play. Wow! Enough said.

Defense with 2 big stops in the 4th quarter with the goal line stand and King's interception. I would like to see the Packers defend the run better than they did today but in the end it really didn't matter.

Aaron Rodgers unstoppable!!! 6 - 1, Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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Oppy's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:11 pm

I disagree, 61.

When Rodgers is let to play, he holds the ball and gets tunnel vision on his preferred targets at the expense of taking what the defense is providing in progression.

It's why things were the way they were for the last many years- MM's sin was letting Rodgers do whatever he wanted. It's why run/pass balance was skewed, and it's why the ball wasn't coming out on time.

What we're seeing here is Rodgers actually starting to play within a system and being held accountable.. IMO, of course.

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Since'61's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:37 pm

Oppy, not to argue the point but you and I have been around here for a long time and I always read your posts because your posts are always good. However, I honestly don't remember you or other posters complaining about Rodgers holding the ball too long when the Packers ran the table (8-0) in 2016 until the NFCCG in Atlanta. Or in 2017 when we were 4-1 before Rodgers was injured.

That "hold the ball narrative" began last season and was the result of a second losing season which included AR playing through injuries, weak interior line play and a poor defense in most games.

As for MM did he really have a choice but to leave the games in Rodger's hands especially in 2016, '17 and '18? He knew his defense was not very good. He knew he needed to score as many points as possible every week. So yes, he gave Aaron a mostly free hand. But after years of poor drafting and numerous injuries the wheels fell off completely in 2018 even with Rodgers back from his 2017 injury.

Now Rodgers is settling into the offense and so are at least some of the receivers including J. Graham and the RBs. It just proves what we already knew. Which is that Winning changes everything for the better and losing. makes everything worse. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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Oppy's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:54 pm

Since 61,Not argumentative, just matter of fact-ly:

I have been vocal about Rodgers holding the ball too long for years.

I have been vocal about people claiming the WR's aren't open (when the tape shows there are, indeed, open targets that Rodgers ignored)

Recently, Jersey Al had a post about Rodgers not utilizing the middle of the field- I have been aware of that trend- and posted about it- years ago.

I have always believed, and still believe, that Rodgers talent is unquestioned. However, I have been critical of how he has applied that talent since roughly 2015. My posts are out there.

For what it's worth, I read and respect all of your content as well. You're on my "must read" list. We just happen to disagree on a few points, and that's okay. .. But I've been out ahead of the media criticism of Rodgers by a few seasons. I've been reading between the lines and watching closely. My assessment of Rodgers is my own, right or wrong, agree or disagree.

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Swisch's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:07 pm

Oppy, your observations are very much like my own -- although my observations are more like impressions, so I really appreciate the observations of fans like you who watch the games more carefully.
The more Rodgers continues to hone the short, quick passing game, using the entire field, then the more the long game will open up for the occasional big strikes that are so exciting. A paradox.

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Oppy's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:14 pm

You know, '61, you got me wondering, "just when did I start to become critical of AR?"

The long and short of it, best I can recall, is 2015, when MM gave play calling up to Tom Clements. I recall at the time, after hearing a number of thinly veiled contentious statements about play calling in pressers by Rodgers through the 2014 season, that things went off the rails a bit, and MM ended up taking back playcalling at some point, and even went so far as to take away Rodgers' carte blanc control at the LOS. Rodgers was bitter about it, and petulant, but after two to three weeks of MM running the show with an iron fist, the results were positive. He then let up and gave Rodgers back his control. In hindsight, maybe not the best thing.

Since that season, I started looking very carefully at Rodgers, listening with a critical ear to statements in pressers (from both he and MM), as well as started looking back at historical games (and seasons) and comparing how Rodgers used to play, vs. how his game had morphed. If I recall correctly, a few seasons ago, I actually implored you to go back and watch previous seasons' condensed games and compare for yourself, and I believe you agreed at the time that you were seeing the same things I had reported. Maybe I have you mistaken for TheGreatReynoldo or someone else.

At any rate.. My long-story-short just got long. Sorry. It's been since 2015 that I've become vocally critical of Rodgers on this site. It's been the last two seasons that I've probably gone over the edge with it.

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flackcatcher's picture

October 20, 2019 at 05:37 pm

2014 Bengals game Oppy. Open screaming match between the two when McCarthy stripped Rodgers after he checked out of three straight run calls early in the 2d quarter? CBS? cut away from game to side line showing it. First time I've seen McCarthy completely lose it. Had to physically separate the two. After the game, the veterans told Rodgers to 'knock it off'. That they had it with his diva act. One of the few times his teammates rebukes him, and let out publicly. There is a reason this happened, and the back story is interesting in it's own right.

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Oppy's picture

October 20, 2019 at 07:50 pm

Flak, you nailed it. That was really the moment that set off the chain of events.

It has been interesting/frustrating, all things considered from that point until the boiling point during this last off season- how the fan base and most of the media completely ignores/discards/discounts so many of those events.

It's as though they never happened.

It became really clear to me that all those years where MM, the Head coach, the play caller, would be asked by the press about the anemic run game, and he'd always say, "Frankly, it starts with attempts." To me, the fact that the playcaller continually- week after week, sometimes- said it starts with attmepts was a big tip off to what was going on. Rodgers was checking out of plays left and right by my estimation, and MM was giving a straight answer to the press without selling out his very sensitive QB in the public eye. Rodgers, of course, was glad to let the media and the fan base skewer his coach for the lack of a run game. Rodgers would masterfully feed the press lines like "We need to get the RB's more touches", or, "We need to get the RB's more involved in the gameplan", but he NEVER said "We need to RUN the ball more", or "We need to hand off the ball in those situations." The biggest mistake MM made was handing Rodgers the keys and letting him run wild. I appreciate the sentiment- he knew Rodgers was a special arm talent with a special ability to read defenses to match, and he didn't want to get in Rodger's way and hamper him. I think MM miscalculated Rodgers character and/or ego, and when things started to get out of control, MM opted to keep it internal because Rodgers will always be a Part of Packers history- the same high road the organization took with Favre during that fiasco- don't rock the boat publicly and create a divide; look at the big picture for the franchise and take the gut punches.

That was my take away at the time, at any rate. Not a very popular take away, I may add, but one based on actual observation and some pretty thick circumstantial evidence.

Anyways.. I digress. It looks like either Rodgers has started to come around or LeFleur has Rodgers reeled in.. Hopefully they can keep things moving in the current direction.

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Swisch's picture

October 20, 2019 at 08:51 pm

Oppy and Flackcatcher, this is fascinating history that is highly relevant to the present.
The good news is that if this scenario is largely true -- and it rings true to me -- then Aaron Rodgers has a golden opportunity to amend his ways and finish his career to its fullest potential for himself and the Packers.
With the great start to the season for the team, the coachability of Rodgers hasn't really been tested. With lots of away games to come, and possible adversity, we'll see if Rodgers stays the course of working within the system implemented by his coach.
I'm rooting for Rodgers big time to step up as a leader of patience and perseverance in tough times so as to bring out the best in his personality and performance.
At stake is an elevation in his already lofty legacy, rather than a diminishment -- as well as, it seems to me, a Super Bowl championship or two for the Packers.

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flackcatcher's picture

October 21, 2019 at 04:17 am

Guys, the echos between McCarthy and Farve and MLF and Rodgers are down right eerie. Rodgers, who is a student of football history, knows his time with the Packers may be short if he does not change his ways. This is his second and perhaps his last chance to set things right inside 1265 for his own legacy. I hope he understands that.

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flackcatcher's picture

October 21, 2019 at 04:54 am

At the time there were only two reporters who followed up after the game. And only one who kept after to find out the back story. That was Jason Wilde, who was with ESPN Milwaukee at the time. While McCarthy did his best to minimize the rift, Rodgers was to be blunt, pouting in public. It was the veteran linemen and WR who confronted Rodgers and told him he was putting their season at risk. That they went public, and probably had the front office OK to do so was a giant flashing signal to the fan base. I came to the same conclusion you did a bit earlier because of this. I also believe that Ted Thompson's announcement to retire was directly related to the fallout between Rodgers and McCarthy. I still think we fans don't know the extant of the damage Aaron Rodgers did to the Packer organization during this period, and we in all likely hood, will never know.

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Since'61's picture

October 21, 2019 at 04:46 pm

The Packers played the Bengals in 2013 not 2014. That was the game Rodgers/MM had their screaming match.
Rodgers won his second MVP in 2014. I don't remember any shouting matches in 2014 but they could have another one that year but it would not have been against the Bengals in 2014. Thanks, Since '61

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flackcatcher's picture

October 21, 2019 at 09:28 pm

No '61. It was 2014 at the Bengals. Game which they lost Starks, he went down and that rookie from UCLA played his only game for the Packers, lost him and John Kuhn was the only RB on the active roster for the rest of the game. Know you. Seattle, where the Packers choked away a trip to the Superbowl in 2014. That (ugh) season.

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flackcatcher's picture

October 21, 2019 at 09:43 pm

And in the opener vs Bears in 2013, Rodgers broke his collarbone in the first quarter which led to him being out till the playoffs against....the Bears. (How Ted left the QB room unprepared for Rodgers getting hurt. Shakes head..) Season saved by the return of the great Matt Flynn as QB. (He was great for the Packers. so there....:-)

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Oppy's picture

October 22, 2019 at 06:12 pm

It appears 61 is correct. Packers played the Bengals in 2013, not 2014.. but the footage of Rodgers and MM Arguing, trading a few F bombs, and Raji separating them in that 2013 game is there to be seen.

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flackcatcher's picture

October 22, 2019 at 06:49 pm

Yup,'61 is correct, but it also happened in 2014 and they were separated by offensive line coach Campen. I wonder if I'm conflating the two. Got to check. My apology '61.

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fastmoving's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:28 pm

The thing with "hold the ball too long" is in discussion since 2011. Thats a fact. Holding too long and throwing away were always there.
I dont even know whats the reason and if its a good or a bad thing. Like Always, there goes a lot into it. It has his pros and cons, but it here since AR starts to be AR, thats for sure.
Whoever you want to call it.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 20, 2019 at 06:36 pm

Holding the ball goes back further than 2018. Just not everyone accepted that it was holding them back.

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fastmoving's picture

October 21, 2019 at 04:07 am

Most of the guys thought thats a problem because he got sacked a lot of times

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 21, 2019 at 02:30 am

I am positive that I've posted stats showing AR takes longer to throw the ball than all but two or three QBs for several seasons now. Stats always need context.

It didn't matter when GB had great pass-blocking offensive lines nearly as much as it did in 2018 with the turnstile at RG, Bulaga missing some time and Bakh getting banged up for a time.

This year Bakh is mortal due to being banged up, but Bulaga has been tremendous as a pass blocker. Turner and Taylor were both up and down, not so bad considering the quality of the opponents, but it meant that the ball needed to come out quicker and it has. Jenkins has been very solid in both run and pass, though not elite - he probably only gets better.

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Oppy's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:07 pm

Easily Rodgers' best, most complete game played in the last 4 years. Most accurate I've seen him throw the ball in the last 6 or so.

I hope he continues to spread the ball around after the return of Adams. We've seen Rodgers lose his preferred target and start to spread the ball around and get it out quick in the past, and we've seen him revert to force feeding and holding the ball when that target came back into the lineup.

Please, LeFleur, keep him on this path. He's lights out when he utilizes all the weapons and executes the offense.

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Swisch's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:22 pm

When everyone is involved, everyone is energized.

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Oppy's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:26 pm

100% Swisch

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Mojo's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:31 pm

The offense looks unstoppable since he's been spreading it around. Using the backs and getting huge YAC has transformed this offense.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:09 pm

I mean 5 TD in the air and one on the ground? Yes, I think Rodgers is back to having fun. That is a very, very good thing. The young WRs are learning and that will just make this offense more of a challenge down the road. Plus involving the RBs and FB in the passing game makes it really tough to defend.

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Bure9620's picture

October 21, 2019 at 03:46 am

Aaron Rodgers confident in a modern offense is just scary.....

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tm_inter's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:10 pm

Matt LaFleur's offensive scheme and play-calling has vastly improved the Packers offense as well as Aaron Rodgers' performance. AR need not improvise so much any more.

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ALLGASNOBRAKES's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:11 pm

Wow!!! Just WOW!!

Best game I've seen by Rodgers since the 2010 playoff game against Atlanta IMO. Yes, there's the game against Houston in 2012 but this was more impressive IMO because of the difference in receivers.

Speaking of WR's I've been critical calling for Gute to go trade for an upgrade at WR. These guys BALLED OUT for their QB and team today. EXCELLENT job by the entire receiving corps. I'm not saying

PLEASE hurry up and get right Mr. Savage. I mean HOLY CRAP it's like night and day since he went out.

Matt LaFleur... You were the CORRECT coach to lead this team.

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Swisch's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:11 pm

* A reminder for us to be slow about giving up on fast receivers, and even not-so-fast receivers.
* So that's what Jimmy Graham looks like when he's good; and here I was ready to cut him as late as yesterday.
* Bend but don't break. Redmond's tackle to save a touchdown led to Carr's turnover fumble into the end zone. Bend until you get a break.
* The opposite of the low-scoring Bears game in our opener, and so the Packers show how to win both ways.

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GBPDAN1's picture

October 21, 2019 at 04:01 am

. 6-1!

. Defeat another well rested opponent

. Our Offense is starting to roll. Love the non-McCarthey look.

. Our D's kryptonite is teams with good O-lineman and TEs (Like today and the eagles)

. It's now time to go on a 4-0 road trip (with a bye in between)

. Packers/ Niners game will be interesting.

. I'll be at the Packers/ Chargers and Packers/ Washington games ! Ya!

. Go Pack Go!

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Since'61's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:27 pm

GBPDAN1 - Good post but FYI we have a home game before our bye week. Thanks, Since '61

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October 20, 2019 at 03:16 pm

Great gut reactions as usual!

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Turophile's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:18 pm

The Raiders made a ton of spectacular plays (and some very elusive runs as well). What a testament to the Packers that they can take Carr even when he (Carr) had a superbly accurate game throwing, and his receivers dropped virtually no unforced balls all game.

As much as the Raiders wanted to win (and they really, really, REALLY wanted it) the Packers wanted it more. Terrific game, and the most enjoyable one to watch for a long time. Ice creams all round, game balls everywhere.

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astyak's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:19 pm

I love that we found our killer instinct and kept it going all game. The defense gives up some big plays but seems to keep the red zone tight.

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Lphill's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:22 pm

We need Savage back sooner than Adams ,Blake Martinez is a liability against the run.

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Oppy's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:22 pm

Yes there was some confusion in the secondary, and yes, Savage would be preferred S on the field..

But I thought both Amos and Redmond made a number of quality plays on the field today.

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packerbackerjim's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:28 pm

Agree on both Amos and Redmond. I was pretty harsh in my criticism of him in the preseason and first couple of games. His tackling has greatly improved .i had to wonder if the pass D was vulnerable because of Savage being out and man coverage was not an option. Pettine will hopefully devise a scheme that will fix it, this being a copycat league.

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pacman's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:23 pm

"One of these days, he's actually going hit MVS in stride." - Especially when you have him that wide open. C'mon AR - how many times?

So this is what AR looks like when the D can play a bit and stop the other team in the red zone! But to be fair, Raiders D was highly suspect. But some of those throws were really good.

Carr's quick passing game just ate them up. How does Pettine answer this?

Why didn't MLF let Boyle throw the ball?

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Oppy's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:34 pm

Boyle keeping it on the ground is textbook situational football. The only job of the QB at that point in a game where you have that kind of score differential is to eat clock and protect the ball.

Incomplete passes kill the clock, and a pick could give the opposing team a small window to climb back into the game.

You just protect the ball, hand it off, and drain the clock.

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Demon's picture

October 20, 2019 at 08:03 pm

Because Boyle is s former UDFA

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Mojo's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:24 pm

Rodgers was dealing.

The Carr fumble through end-zone was huge - changed everything.

Even Graham played well.

Middle of the field was wide-open against our D. Possibly the Raiders bye allowed them to conjure up great schemes, but GB needs to clean that up in a hurry.

Is Shepherd ever going to return a punt again?

Rodgers well deserved game-ball.

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Sam Freeman's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:25 pm

Shoot missed the dance because we were on the opposite side. Anyone have a video?

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ALLGASNOBRAKES's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:26 pm

Aaron Rodgers finished the game with a 158.3 rating...PERFECT!!

I knew they'd get better as the season progressed but this offense is FUN to watch. The ILLUSION of complexity is alive and well in the GB offense and it just keeps getting better.

Get back Adams like Romo said over, and over, and over again and this is going to be a wicked scary team as long as the defense gets back to playing like they were earlier.

GREAT job by the defense in the Red-whole D stuffed them in the 4th Quarter on 4th a goal. That was prettyu!!Zone. Martinez hustled and made the play on the Carr fumble and the

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Tarynfor12's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:26 pm

Am I the only one that seen Rodgers do a semi Championshiop Belt move after his rush TD?

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Oppy's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:37 pm

No, everyone saw it. It was prominent on the telecast, even though Rodgers had his back somewhat to the camera.

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October 20, 2019 at 03:38 pm

Also, I believe he broke it out because a few Raiders players tauntingly busted out the belt after sacking Rodgers early in the game.

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4thand1's picture

October 20, 2019 at 07:29 pm

Saw that oppy, boy did that backfire.

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edp1959's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:32 pm

Ahhh I see the QB experts are back today trying to explain what #12 did wrong today.

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Oppy's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:39 pm

I see you're the defense expert today.

Maybe stay in your lane? Lol.. I kid, I kid.

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Gort's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:35 pm

I am concerned about the defense. Good on them for the goal line stands, but they got no pressure and gave up way to many yards both passing and running. The whole game changed with a few outstanding individual efforts on certain plays.

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Tundraboy's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:36 pm

"Jimmy Graham made someone miss! "

lmao. I'm so happy to be wrong.

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fastmoving's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:53 pm

Thats what the WRs can do, thats what AR can do with them if he uses all of his pretty good weapons. In the end it will be a good thing to be a couple of weeks without Adams.

We can be a scarry O.

And we still have ESB, even its just for 2020

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October 20, 2019 at 03:42 pm

I'm a very big fan of ESB.. It is a shame the roster didn't allow for him to be kept on day 1 before IR'ing him.

I think he has more upside than MVS, even if he doesn't have the raw foot speed that MVS does.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

October 22, 2019 at 08:33 am

Oppy,
I believe the same about ESB. Next year he comes back with a vengeance!

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sam1's picture

October 20, 2019 at 03:59 pm

D was strength of team, but today not even close! Have to tighten up out there boys or you will be beaten next week end. Good looking O today and great win! Keep it going! Go Packers!

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spexxx2's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:05 pm

the television broadcast cut the team celebration and went to the replay. anyone know a place where it is available to view?

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flackcatcher's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:09 pm

Classic trap game. BUT the Packers overcame unscouted looks, a good QB on top of his game and a team (Raiders) they do not see but one every couple of years. Give the Raiders credit. Three TE sets with WR driving deep created voids in coverage that left the Packer SS and slot DB a step behind a game long. Know what. Packers did the same thing to the Raiders. Drove the WR deep, slid the TE behind and flared the RB out or in wheel routes all game long. Raiders had no answers. Add Superman (Rodgers) playing a smart disciplined game with a clean pocket all game long, they flatout overpowered the Raiders in the second half. Packers win. PACKERS WIN BABY!! (victory dance) I need a (root) beer....

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Swisch's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:35 pm

Thanks for the interesting observations, flackcatcher.
I don't know if this is what happened with the Raiders offense today -- but having a couple of guys working the middle of the field seems to get guys open.
All of the traffic in the middle of the field seems to cause general congestion and confusion -- including natural picks -- and pass catchers seem to break open in splendid ways.

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October 20, 2019 at 06:03 pm

Raiders TE are big fast and athletic. No matter who the Packers matchup with them, they were going to pose a real challenge. Also, the Packers secondary played a soft matchup zone which left the Raiders WR a good 5 yards free in their route packages. Unusual for this Packer defense, which as a rule is very hands on route coverage. My only guess is that the referee crew for his game called pass interference tight. And with the NFL PI rules tilted to the offense, Pettine did not want to take any chances. Still, it was a strange look for this secondary, who has been very aggressive so far this season.

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CAG123's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:12 pm

Max Crosby learned the hard way.
NEVER.MOCK.THE BELT!

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Qoojo's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:41 pm

- Not much to say about the offense other than wow. Incredible performance.
- Just look at that pass distribution and yardage for all WRs.
- Rodgers: Perfect passer rating and over 30 attempts. Special performance.
- Defense does get a great job for holding the raiders pointless on 3 attempts.
- Defense is starting to resemble the defenses of the past. Lots of wide open WRs. Against better teams this will be an issue.
- Kind of tired of all the posing junk. Other teams do it as well. It's turning into a poser league.
- I think Tony Romo is a good announcer.
- Seems the packers are getting a lot of favorable calls this year.
- They won a game that they should have won at home, and that's not always an easy thing for a new coach.
- Like mentioned by Aaron, Graham made someone miss, and he caught a low ball for a TD.
- I was thinking the same thing about the defense missing Savage the whole game.
- Raiders' Jacob looked very good.
- After seeing Kumerow without his helmet, I now understand the "Touchdown Jesus" references.

Tough stretch of games coming up, but they positioned themselves nicely for it.

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Oppy's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:25 pm

Re: Tony Romo is a good announcer

This is the first game I have heard Romo call that I found him bearable.

That is largely because in the past, he is so intent on trying to -predict- every single snap that he ends up talking over the entire game.

I get it, Tony, you're an NFL QB and you know what's going on. However, as a booth commentator, I find it far more professional and viewable if you call the game as it happens, maybe break down the play after it has occurred, than talking over the entire play telling us what you think is about to happen.

He was much better today than he has been in the past. But I do believe ALL modern commentators could stand to let the game talk a bit more for itself. Let it breathe a little. That's just my take on Romo, and I guess, professional broadcasting in general. I do think there is a role for the ex-pro athlete in the booth, but I feel the art of old-school sports journalism in live call of games had value and has been somewhat lost and railroaded out of existence to an extent by over-analysis and too much predictive banter.

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packerbackerjim's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:31 pm

Not as much as Allison.

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October 20, 2019 at 04:33 pm

I like his banter and predictions. I do get how many might not like it. I thought he laid on it a little bit heavy towards the packers/rodgers, but that's ok with me. At least he is not trying to copy Madden, and draw circles around butt sweat.

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October 20, 2019 at 05:00 pm

"See that Lineman's butt? See that Big ol' butt? That's who I'm running behind- the guy with that big ol butt." - John Madden

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Since'61's picture

October 21, 2019 at 05:04 pm

Oppy - good post and I agree with you. The problem is the TV ratings. All of the networks have made ratings their priority over quality journalism and quality broadcasting. They're doing anything and everything to either increase or at least maintain their ratings. They have forgotten that the game and players are the product.

Romo's role is analyst not play caller. I had the sound off for most of the game so I didn't really hear if Romo changed his game or not. I did listen when Carr fumbled through the end zone because I thought the officials on the field blew the call and then again on the goal line stand in the 4th quarter just to be sure the officials got it right this week after last week against the Lions.

I'm afraid that we are beyond the days of the true professional broadcaster. Of course we are also beyond the days of true, professional NFL football as well. Thanks, Since '61

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Swisch's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:41 pm

Some nice points, Qoojo.

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October 20, 2019 at 04:18 pm

Touchdown Jesus needs to pay attention to where his feet are.

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PackfanNY's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:22 pm

Yes, I would like the Packers defense to play better. However, I would like to get some key players back on the field as well. Packers clearly miss Savage and I also believe Raven Greene is also needed. The fact is we would all like our team to play a “perfect” game every game. That is just not realistic. Fans talking about yards gained is meaningless in this game. Once the Packers went up 21-10 at HT the Packers had a good grip on this game. The Raider drives took what they were given but it also was taking way too much time off the clock. I am going to enjoy the 6-1 record and will really be looking forward to facing the Mahomes less Chiefs in KC next Sunday. Go Pack Go.

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Packerjeff's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:26 pm

Thank you packer nation
5 am flight back to California
What a great day to go to a game
I’ve said it before I love this team
But to see it live
The energy the fun
This is a great TEAM
Great GM
GREAT COACH
GO PACK GO
THANKS FOR A GREAT DAY

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Packerjeff's picture

October 21, 2019 at 12:50 am

Thumbs down...really? F You

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4thand1's picture

October 21, 2019 at 08:27 pm

LMAO WTG Packerjeff. Glad you had a great time. Wish I was at this game.

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October 20, 2019 at 04:27 pm

See what this offense can do when playing a sub par defense. 6-1 getting better every game. Raiders have a good massive o-line. The A Rodgers doubters can SUCK IT.................GOPACKGO

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4thand1's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:28 pm

My fingers nails grew today

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October 20, 2019 at 04:36 pm

yea, 18 point leads that grow instead of shrink are easy on the nails

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October 20, 2019 at 04:33 pm

Yes, I would like the Packers defense to play better. However, I would like to get some key players back on the field as well. Packers clearly miss Savage and I also believe Raven Greene is also needed. The fact is we would all like our team to play a “perfect” game every game. That is just not realistic. Fans talking about yards gained is meaningless in this game. Once the Packers went up 21-10 at HT the Packers had a good grip on this game. The Raider drives took what they were given but it also was taking way too much time off the clock. I am going to enjoy the 6-1 record and will really be looking forward to facing the Mahomes less Chiefs in KC next Sunday. Go Pack Go.

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stockholder's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:36 pm

There is nothing that Arron Rodgers can't handle now. Several receivers gained points today. TD points! Everyone knew their situation. All or nothing! Just so much Rodgers can do with protection. Totally Awesome Blocking, as Rodger's took shots at everyone. The Smiths continue to show their the best. But the aggression of the secondary was to relaxed. And the middle to open. Were lucky we had Amos. This defense needs to really get good again. A little less thinking and more action.

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SterlingSharpe's picture

October 20, 2019 at 05:21 pm

You're right. While we are 6-1 & look good, you're right about the clear issues on defense. First it was Jacobs carving thru us....like Jordan Howard & Dalvin Cook did.
Then we made Darren Waller look like Tony Gonzalez.

These things will cost us eventually so it needs to be cleaned up. Hopefully Savage can make a big difference back there.

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October 20, 2019 at 04:45 pm

Rodgers was Superman but Matt LaFleur deserves a lot of credit for the offense today. No Adams, no receiver caught a pass in the 1st quarter, then he confused them totally and went to receivers. You just had the feeling that the offense couldn't be stopped no matter who was at WR. LaFleur now just needs to have a talk with Pettine and tell him to do something about the run game and TE's running free.

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GVPacker's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:54 pm

Raiders Maxx Crosby nice sack on Aaron Rodgers but you look like a Total Jack Ass mocking Aaron Rodgers with the Champion Ship Double Discount Double Check Celebration. You and your teammates gave up 40 points to the Packers I was hoping the Packers would have put at least 50 points on the board but I will settle for 40.......Dumb Ass Rookie LOL!

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IDriveALambeau's picture

October 20, 2019 at 05:48 pm

I'm currently working in the Beaumont Tx area plenty of cowboys and Texans good to see a fellow cheesehead represent behind enemy lines

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GVPacker's picture

October 20, 2019 at 04:56 pm

Mr Nagler enjoy your Beer today!

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SterlingSharpe's picture

October 20, 2019 at 05:15 pm

Great game.
Watched in the Dallas area again at The Drafthouse, where we had about 40 Cheeseheads again.
The city over, I know if 2 other sportsbars that were Packers-packed, and that's despite the fact that OUR game WAS televised locally!

#CheeseheadSouthY'all

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MikeS's picture

October 20, 2019 at 05:19 pm

Definitely need Savage back. Still, Gary was a supreme waste of the #12 pick. We sure could have used a run stuffer instead of a stiff. AR12 is the bomb!

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October 20, 2019 at 05:46 pm

the packers not only have a 1-2 punch at RB but also an elite QB at the helm... D isn't going to eliminate 100% of possessions but they pulled through when it mattered. We just have to stay humble...when the D has a bad game that's when the O steps up, when both are firing on all cylinders watch out!

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October 20, 2019 at 05:49 pm

can anyone tell me why when I RESPOND to someone's post it places it on a totally unrelated posters comment???

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Norm's picture

October 20, 2019 at 06:44 pm

One other observation: The Raiders continued to run the ball, which was understandable to a certain point, in the third quarter when down 3 scores. They were still in it at that point, particularly if they could have gotten a quick score and turnover. Even after the missed fourth down conversion, had they been able to force a safety (and they nearly did) followed by a TD drive they regain the momentum and are right back in it. But there was no hurry-up, they continued to run the clock down to around 15 seconds on each play, many of which were runs and so the clock just kept ticking. I get that they're not built to come from behind and I'm glad they did us the favor but for all the smart moves Gruden made in offensive game planning and play calling that was a head scratcher to me. They had our D on it's heels for much of the game but could have put their foot on the throat and didn't do that. MLF did the opposite, unlike MM who would get way too predictable with a lead.

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PackfanNY's picture

October 20, 2019 at 07:14 pm

Exactly. This is why I felt much of Oakland’s 2nd half yardage was meaningless. They were taking what the Packers gave them, no more. All the while they would win the battle while losing the war. They needed to score quickly down 3 scores. They never did. Enjoy the W.

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GoldenRetriever's picture

October 20, 2019 at 06:47 pm

A great day to be at Lambeau! Perfect weather, engaging game, the UW marching band, AR’s stellar performance. Plus no one spilled beer on us.

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October 20, 2019 at 07:43 pm

You left out:
> I mean seriously - who even tries to make those passes
> 5 passing touchdowns and a QB running TD? Are you freaking kidding me?
> Some heroes wear helmets
> Martinez had a rough day, but also had 16 tackles and leads the entire NFL in tackles.
> If AR were more of a team player, he'd have deliberately tanked a few drives just to give the Smith's more chances to do third down sack celebration dances;
> Aaron Rodgers for President!

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October 20, 2019 at 08:50 pm

We really miss Darnell Savage, he can cover TEs and he's fast enough to play sideline to sideline in single high coverage.

Getting Ibraheim Campbell back should help as well, he's way more athletic than Redmond and is another guy that can cover TEs.

Give Redmond props for not giving up on the play right before the half, if he doesn't make that tackle Carr doesn't fumble the ball into the end zone.

We really missed Kenny Clark... DTs don't show up on the stat sheet as much, but he might be the Packers best defensive player. He's great against the run, can get after the QB pretty well for a DT and he allows the Smiths a lot more freedom to move around.

Aaron Rodgers has been playing like an MVP since the Eagles game... He hasn't had the gawdy numbers since Davante Adams got hurt (until today), but that's more on his surrounding cast dropping a bunch of passes and him playing within the offense (the old Aaron Rodgers might not have stayed in run plays inside the 10 yard line like he has for the most part since the Cowboys game).

Crazy stat, Rodgers hasn't had an INT that didn't bounce off a WRs hands (or facemask) since his first game back from the broken collarbone against Carolina in 2017. That's almost 2 years!
It's even more impressive because he played all last year on a broken leg with a torn MCL in a stale offense.

Gotta give LaFleur and Gruden credit, they both called great games. I was getting annoyed with all the pick/rub routes the Raiders were using to get people open. A couple were clearly illegal, but they rarely call that. Those are really difficult to guard especially if you are in man coverage and they are short, quick passes because the defense has no chance to get pressure.

Gutey took a roster without much top tier talent, very little speed/athleticism and zero depth and in less than two years has fast, athletic playmakers at pretty much every position group (except ILB unless Oren Burks can step it up in the run game, I like Martinez, but he's just a solid player and he's a huge liability in coverage). We clearly have a lot more depth as well because we've been winning despite missing key pieces on offense and defense.

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GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

October 20, 2019 at 10:22 pm

Anyone miss TT and MM? Just curious... BG has GB poised for a possible 1st round bye and/or home playoff game with a legitimate chance of making a deep playoff run. Love where we’re at. Future looks bright. Go Pack Go!!

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Lofton82's picture

October 21, 2019 at 03:28 am

Well hello offence. The nice thing about this one was that it was mostly all down to the offence and we don't rely on the defence to get wins. That said, the defence did stop this becoming a true shootout with some redzone heroics.

My thoughts:
- Aaron Rodgers is still peerless.
- When we come up against good O lines, we're in trouble. Our D is geared around pressuring the QB and we leave horrible gaps for TEs and slots. Same was true against the Eagles. But hey, nobody said our D is perfect yet. Work to do at ILB and S still. I also think not having Kenny Clark was a major issue to us not getting at Carr more.
- The pass coverage was mostly 2017/2018 terrible. It's amazing how much we miss Savage already.
- We have some depth in the WR corps. AR is a force multiplier and makes their job easier, sure. But I really like our options. Kumerow and Lazard are characters. Bad drop from Lazard but he didn't let that get to him which is what you want to see.
- Shepherd is not the droid we're looking for. Sorry. At least not on KR. He may still come good at WR although I have major doubts he'll get the chance.
- Lewis is a trojan supporting the O line and Jimmy Graham played great. More please.
- Martinez needs help - I would look at ILB before WR now.
- Amos is good. Redmond is good. Amos and Redmond is not good. Need to work on communication. In fact, the zonal handovers in general were awful. Credit where it's due, the Raiders knew how to exploit it.
- The good news is, we're bemoaning the defence and it only gave up 24, not 30+. Yeah, it could have been more. Could have been less.
- If the O Line can keep up this kind of protection, and we get Clark and Savage back and add a good ILB from somewhere, this team can do great things.

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KC Mack's picture

October 21, 2019 at 06:44 am

Danny Vitale is from this day forward "Uncle Vito"

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KC Mack's picture

October 21, 2019 at 06:49 am

Packers D is missing:

2018 version of Kenny Clark
Competent MLBs who can stuff the run & stay with TEs
Darnell Savage
Production from Jackson & Gary

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jlc1's picture

October 21, 2019 at 07:14 am

Ditto to that. When is Savage supposed to get back?

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Booner's picture

October 21, 2019 at 08:34 am

When is Gary going to show us why we drafted him at 12? So far he is looking like a huge miss!!!!!!

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Oppy's picture

October 21, 2019 at 06:53 pm

How frequently do you want Z'darius Smith or Preston Smith off the field on third down?

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