Gut Reactions: Packers beat Lions 23-22

Aaron's gut reactions from the Packers win over the Lions. 

  • Survive and advance. It wasn't pretty, but a win is a win. 
  • Really smart opening call on the flea flicker by the Lions. They knew the Packers were starting an untested safety and would be selling out to stop the run. 
  • Tough start to the night from Aaron Jones, with the fumble and dropped TD pass. 
  • The defense looked like it was a step slow throughout the first quarter. 
  • With that said, the defense also made a fantastic stand to hold the Lions to 3 after the fumbled punt. 
  • Marcedes Lewis is a more reliable receiving threat than Jimmy Graham at this point. 
  • Preston and Za'Darius are those charming men. 
  • I hope Jamaal Williams shut up all the people who complain when he gets the football. 
  • Brutal night for Darrius Shepherd 
  • Incredible catch on the 46 yarder by MVS
  • Allen Lazard stepped up when the Packers desperately needed some to do so. 
  • What an incredible throw and catch from Rodgers to Lazard for the TD.
  • Speaking of Rodgers, he was let down by his supporting cast for much of the night, but he played a hell of a game. 
  • Yes, if Geronimo is going to be out awhile, they'll most likely make a move at WR. But I doubt it will be for an older, expensive option like Green or Sanders. 
  • The run defense...actually kind of showed up tonight. 
  • Mason Crosby gets some redemption for a brutal game against the Lions last year. 
  • Short week to get ready for the Raiders. Lots to work on. 
  • Go Pack Go. 
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Tarynfor12's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:26 pm

Ugly,but it could have been uglier and with a loss.

4 more and it's cash in time.

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MarkinMadison's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:27 pm

Lazard had a very nice night. I watched him torch my Hawkeyes for years. This was not an anomaly.

Lions fans are pissed right now, and I can't say I blame them. At least three really bad calls agaisnt their defense.

My goodness were the Smiths ever worth the money.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:50 pm

As Rodgers said, postgame, " It's nice to finally see Alan on the field." He lost some weight and regained his quickness.
Just dominated for ISU. Better than Kumerow or Allison.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:05 pm

Sadly, Kumerow is just not fast or quick enough to get seperation against good CBs.

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TheBigCheeze's picture

October 15, 2019 at 12:11 am

the refs gifted the lions a TD on the 4th and goal....I have ZERO sympathy for detroit....

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Rak47's picture

October 15, 2019 at 06:40 am

Agreed. If you watch the play from behind you see Martinez drill Johnson's lead shoulder before it gets to the goal line. He had the ball in his left hand which was also his lead shoulder. There's no way he could've extended his arm when getting hit that hard in the shoulder as Martinez's helmet crossed Johnson's front. The ref on the front side with the best view waved it short while the other ref running in from behind the play signaled TD. He had no view of the ball whatsoever. The head ref was about to call it Packers ball when another official ran up and whispered in his ear and they changed it to a TD.
Also after getting hosed by the refs at Lambeau against Philly, notably in the endzone on Rodgers int, I have a little sympathy for Detroit but it's pretty tiny.

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4thand10's picture

October 15, 2019 at 12:21 am

They shouldn’t be pissed 1) they got spotted a free touchdown. 2) ESPN didn’t say shit about the free touchdown. I counted 3 PIs than were non calls against GB. Did ya see the non call on the center and gard for doing their job and blocking nicely. Sure the hands to the face was a BS call for Detroit, but there were just as many as GB. In general though, this has been the worst officiating since the fail Mary. Absolute horrible refs.

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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:29 pm

Love these Packers!!

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packerbackerjim's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:30 pm

To have survived this game, with an assist from the zebras. Is nothing short of phenomenal.Way too many mistakes, injuries. Props to Lazard.

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Norm's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:31 pm

Gotta win some you're supposed to lose to offset the ones you lose that you shoulda won. Didn't deserve this one but I'll take it. Refs giveth, refs taketh away.

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EskyBrian's picture

October 15, 2019 at 06:46 am

We lived through the Fail Mary... it happens.

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MarkinMadison's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:31 pm

Hey Nagler, can I find you guys at the Oakland game next Sunday?

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Difer's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:31 pm

Please sit Shepard. Time to pay up for a reliable receiver.

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Bure9620's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:32 pm

I was ridiculed by many for saying Shepperd does not belong in the NFL. I was freaking out when he made the 53 and Lazard did not and was very nervous he would sign elsewhere. I was ridiculed by many on this blog for saying Lazard should be on the 53 over Shepard. I don't see how Shepperd has a job moving forward. Just inexcusable, 2 HUGE mistakes the nearly and frankly should have cost the Packers the game.

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Grandfathered's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:40 pm

Who is your new return specialist?

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dobber's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:44 pm

Tramon on punts, Tra Carson/Dexter Williams on KOs.

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SterlingSharpe's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:44 pm

You are right.
Lazard reminds me of former 7th rd pick Marques Colston.

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Coldworld's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:45 pm

Clearly didn’t watch camp. I clearly am not crediting this opinion

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:53 pm

Bure,
I too was holding my breath that Lazard would make the team. Particularly wanted him over Shep. Regarding Shep everyone has a bad game. He deserves more chance even though tonight was horrific.

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Minniman's picture

October 15, 2019 at 11:41 am

FWIW I agree with you re showing some patience re Shepherd - that's the gamble a team takes with these "project" players, one game they are top-cock and the next they are a feather-duster.........He's most certainly relegated himself below Lazard on the depth chart now though.

Aaron Jones didn't have a good game either - missed that absolute sitter TD catch and coughed up the ball with a loose(ish) carry.

Jimmy Graham also dropped one that should have been made for the TD....... on that one though I wonder if Rodgers has learned that Jimmy is more of a surer catch for a jump ball than off the laces. One to look at.

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johngalt's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:38 pm

You’re the man

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 15, 2019 at 02:33 am

I wasn't a fan of Lazard. I can't say I am there now. That was a perfect pass from AR to Lazard on the TD. Lazard had a bare step. I also noted that Lazard didn't catch it cleanly. Still, I will try to get by my skepticism about Lazard and see his positives in future games.

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Rak47's picture

October 15, 2019 at 06:52 am

I think Lazard is under rated and his performance got me wondering why he went undrafted so I looked him up and did some research. And I found that the kid is a real football player through and through. He was all state in Iowa 3 times, each year after his sophomore, junior, and senior seasons on offense and on defense. He was also offensive player of the year 2013 in Iowa, as well as defensive player of the year in 2012 and a USA Today All American to boot. He was rated the top prospect in Iowa as well as the number 7 WR in the country. He went on to star at Iowa State for four years where he averaged 60 rec 850yds and 6.5 TD's per year setting a number of Iowa State receiving records along the way.
The kid has confidence and I have no clue as to why he went undrafted but I'm happy he's with the Packers. It's quite possible the Packers could have a real diamond in the rough. His status as a former DPOY in Iowa gives some insight as to why he so good as a gunner on ST's and making tackles. He also had really good pro day numbers with a 39 inch vertical, 10-2 broad jump, and 17 reps on the bench. His 4.55 40, is about the same as Davante Adams who ran a 4.56 at the combine.

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keeley2's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:33 pm

Lions looked like they were ready to accept the division torch however AR would have none of it. Big, big, advantage within the division standing @ 3-0. Refs as usual were wrong too often. A win is a win. . .

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mrj007's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:53 pm

Yay penalties! The Packers secret weapon

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Bearmeat's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:34 pm

I am the biggest Packers fan there is. And I have to say, the refs handed GB that win. Yuck. I feel dirty. I'll take the W. But I feel dirty.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:42 pm

Bahk did a great job of selling hands to the face on those two plays. If Flowers is going to grab his pads like that it's a brilliant move.

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Bedrock's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:45 pm

The phantom TD on 4th down was equal to the gifts we got the rest of the game.

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mrj007's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:55 pm

Yeah I thought scoring plays were supposed to be reviewed. Tough to call that Lions TD a score from what I saw

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WinUSA's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:04 pm

I also thought it was going to be reviewed???? And on a side note I hope I NEVER HEAR BOOGER CALL ANOTHER PACKER GAME!!!!!!

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johngalt's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:40 pm

I actually thought he did a great job. He’s right about those calls on Flowers.

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Spock's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:46 pm

"You'll be clean tomorrow."
It's like the old joke with the drunk arguing with the woman:
She, "You're drunk."
He, "You're ugly."
She, "You're drunk."
He, "I'll be sober tomorrow."

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EdsLaces's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:56 pm

I feel ya ..I need a shower.

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Mojo's picture

October 15, 2019 at 12:17 am

FWIW, it's probable Crosby hits a FG even without the penalty on the final drive. GB was at Detroits 16, so it's basically the equivalent of extra point distance.

Then it would be up to the D to keep Detroit out of FG range with just under a minute 30 left with no TO's. Would have been tough, but definitely possible.

In other words, the final hands to the face didn't necessarily decide the game.

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TheBigCheeze's picture

October 15, 2019 at 12:13 am

the refs gifted the lions a TD on the 4th and goal....the refs didn't hand GB anything....fake fan...

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Bearmeat's picture

October 15, 2019 at 08:50 am

lol. Go ahead and question my fandom if you want. It doesn't affect me at all. I mean, you're wrong. But think what you want.

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4thand10's picture

October 15, 2019 at 12:29 am

No really. The refs handed the lions that touch down where one said yes other said no. I don’t care what angle you look at it from the ball didn’t cross the plane. A few PI no calls on US. Jimmy should have caught the endzone TD, but you watch it again...he was interfered with big time. So I’m not going to feel bad about david baktiari selling the hands to his face. Not one bit

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 15, 2019 at 02:44 am

Someone was kind enough to print out the rules on another article. Flowers has the habit of grabbing for the shoulder pad area and doing a push-pull using the jersey and/or pads. Ideally that is about the clavicle area, but he has got to be hitting OTs in the neck and Adam's apple on a routine basis.

LEGAL CONTACT
Article 3 A defensive player may use the palm of his hands on an opponent’s head, neck, or face only to ward off or push him in an actual attempt to get at a loose ball. NO LOOSE BALL INVOLVED

(source: http://www.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/15_Rule12_P...)
Also:
© thrust his hands forward above the frame of an opponent to contact him on the neck, face, or head (Note: Contact in close-line play that is not prolonged and sustained is not a foul, unless the opponent’s head is pinned back by direct and forcible contact). THIS LASTED THE ENTIRE RUSH

© striking, swinging, or clubbing to the head, neck, or face with the heel, back, or side of the hand, wrist, arm, elbow, or clasped hands. See 12-2-3.

LEGAL CONTACT
Article 3 A defensive player may use the palm of his hands on an opponent’s head, neck, or face only to ward off or push him in an actual attempt to get at a loose ball.

Bakhtiari: “I can definitely tell you for a good portion of the game I was getting my throat punched in, and I was looking up at the sky a fair amount. If you think about it, if your fist is in my throat, you’re probably hitting my facemask, which is pushing my head in the sky.”

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 15, 2019 at 11:50 am

This is great. I was looking into this but the NFL rules page is close to unusable.

In martial arts we where taught to grab a foes shirt (or hood if they where stupid enough to have one) and use it to get leverage on the neck. I can tell you that even at practice velocities it's horrible. I'm glad what he was doing was illegal because it's not in the spirit of the game and probably dangerous.

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PeteK's picture

October 15, 2019 at 08:49 am

Go take a shower you've been in the woods too long. HAHAHA I fully agree, but Rogers and Lazard performance and missing some key players makes the win enjoyable.

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Minniman's picture

October 15, 2019 at 12:00 pm

On the positive side of things Bear, the Packers D did a good job at stopping a reasonably god offense and the Offense did a reasonably good job of running the ball and working with the bottom half of the WR depth chart....... not stellar, but hey.

I'm somewhat buoyed that the receivers are at least getting separation. Years gone past, with a more highly touted WR group (and a non-existent running game I'll concede) that was not the case.

The Packers do need another veteran WR threat this year though. That's the only piece missing.

BTW, the O-line is playing well. 2 more good games and I'll be convinced that there's enough in the tank to confirm that Bulaga needs to be retained - I've said it previously, but if the Packers can get 2 more good years out of him then it sets the table next year for them to draft aggressively in what is shaping up as a good WR class (without having to feel that they must get the next RT in round 1...... unless that's the way that the draft falls).

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Bure9620's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:34 pm

I was ridiculed by many for saying Shepperd does not belong in the NFL. I was freaking out when he made the 53 and Lazard did not and was very nervous he would sign elsewhere. I was ridiculed by many on this blog for saying Lazard should be on the 53 over Shepard. I don't see how Shepperd has a job moving forward. Just inexcusable, 2 HUGE mistakes the nearly and frankly should have cost the Packers the game. It is just unacceptable at this level.

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edp1959's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:35 pm

I would take Williams over Jones any day. Those calling for Shepard, well? Sure would be nice to have Davis right now. 5-1 yeah!!!

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dobber's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:41 pm

If you're asking for someone to be in the lineup, ask for Adams...not Davis.

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edp1959's picture

October 15, 2019 at 05:22 am

I guarantee you never saw any post from me praising Jones last week you ass. Do some research before you show how big of a dumb ass you really are.

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Since'61's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:34 pm

Overcame a ton of adversity tonight. Fell behind early, turnovers and injuries. We got a few calls our way for once. Rodgers carried the day and defense came up with some big stops to hold the Lions to FGs after the turnovers. The Packers OL and ground game were big factors again in this game. 5-1 Go Pack Go. Thanks, Since '61

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:56 pm

Rodgers, now knows, who he can turn to for the big play receptions: Lazard and MVS. Fantastic snag by Jimmy Graham on the 3rd down contested catch. Just great team play when it was needed, to Win.

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Minniman's picture

October 15, 2019 at 12:06 pm

I said it above too, but Jimmy G is the high ball guy, not the catch the ball off the laces guys. If Rodgers can play to his strength then he'll get even more out of him.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:08 pm

The Packers were bailed out by the refs. We shot ourselves in the foot over and over in this game. Dropped passes, fumbles, assisted int, st turnover. Before the game fans thought this game would be decided by turnovers. What decided the game was GB's redzone defense and some aid from the zebras.

What's different in 2019 is the depth on GB's roster. Lazard stepped up, Redmond, Sullivan, Goodman, and Lowry made plays. GB wouldn't of won tonight without the return of Jamal Williams and Linsley.

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Swisch's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:06 pm

We didn't see all the angles on that last penalty on Flowers; and on the first penalty he may have grabbed and held onto the collar of the shoulder pads, which seems wrong somehow.
In any case, I'd like to see both plays over again in a thorough way. It may be that at the very least Flowers invited the flags by repeatedly putting his hands up around the neck and face.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:11 pm

I saw the replay on Flowers from multiple angels and it was clearly a bad call. The loss GB suffered was at the hands of multiple bad calls from the refs. Overturned PI amd an ignored one to seal the game. IMO that doesn't make it right 2 wrongs don't make a right. I hate that refs can determine the outcome of a game.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 15, 2019 at 02:58 am

On at least one of the Hands to the Face calls Flowers' left hand pushes Bakh's helmet near the left side of his chin. The flag came in very late. Was it forceful? Still ticky-tacky?

Head Referee Blakeman: "The umpire threw both of them. The last one is really the only one I've discussed with him. Basically it's for illegal use of the hands, hands to the face foul. To be a foul, we basically need some forceful contact that's prolonged to the head and neck area of the defender. So, in his mind, he had him pinned back, it was prolonged, and that's what created the foul."

One replay shows Turner committing a blatant hands to the face penalty on the same play Flowers drew a flag. Nothing unusual about some stuff getting missed on the OL and DL.

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Swisch's picture

October 15, 2019 at 10:31 am

Thanks, TGR, for your good comments about Flowers -- which you may want to develop into a post later this week.
It sure seemed as if Flowers was doing something wrong for a sustained period of time, although -- like pass interference -- it's difficult for me to analyze both the rules on paper and the replay on the field.
One thing is it seemed as though maybe Flowers grabbed Bakh's shoulder pads around the collar and held on and even pulled -- which seems wrong, or should be.
Perhaps Flowers has been living on the edge of the rule book for some time now, and finally got caught.
P.S. It'll be fun to watch as Lazard develops: He has that height to beat tough coverage, and perhaps some unexpected quickness. He also showed some good fire.

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Spock's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:35 pm

I will take the W on this one. Whew, what a nail biter. Love this team. Some cosmic payback in having the ref calls go the Packers way for once.

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Tundraboy's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:40 pm

I'll gladly take the win. Very happy to see Lazard play and show what he could do in this Offense. Brings another dimension. Needed a big WR. Especially one who can catch, and dish out some punishment too!

So now maybe Adams,MVS and Lazard. Could be best group in a long time. MVS had a great catch.

Don't feel bad about the calls. That shove on Jones that wasn't called was atrocious.

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Bure9620's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:35 pm

I was ridiculed by many for saying Shepperd does not belong in the NFL. I was freaking out when he made the 53 and Lazard did not and was very nervous he would sign elsewhere. I was ridiculed by many on this blog for saying Lazard should be on the 53 over Shepard. I don't see how Shepperd has a job moving forward. Just inexcusable, 2 HUGE mistakes the nearly and frankly should have cost the Packers the game. It is just unacceptable at this level. Gute really has no choice but to release him this week.

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johngalt's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:44 pm

Got it man.

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CAG123's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:36 pm

I don’t care what anyone says the Packers need to invest in a veteran WR. It’s obvious at this point that these are a bunch of number 3-4 WR. MVS gets open for 1 maybe 2 plays a game, GMO is too inconsistent, Kumerow....., I’m just not seeing enough from this group with or without Adams. Anyway great win, what refs?, 3-0 in the division baby!

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Tundraboy's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:41 pm

Forget Kumerow, and maybe Allison too. Lazard!!!

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Jonathan Spader's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:50 pm

Maybe you should watch MVS closer. He creates separation time and time again. His problems has been coming down with the catches and slipping on his routes. Gute invests in ascending players rather than veterans with the exception of a TE. I don't see the Packers adding a WR in 2019. I do see them drafting one in the 1st or 2nd round in 2020 depending on how the board falls.

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mrj007's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:00 pm

Maybe the equipment guy needs to recheck the WR foot ware. Seems like they are slipping and misstepping all the time

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Minniman's picture

October 15, 2019 at 12:18 pm

Agree. It's still early days but this is looking like a balanced team with the (all important) belief to make a run at a SB - the only glaring missing piece is that second (or third) WR threat.

Gute has to be thinking this.

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ricky's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:36 pm

The WR's did Rodgers very few favors this evening. Dropped passes right on their hands, catchable balls that weren't caught. These guys are highly paid professionals who need to show they belong on the field and in the league. The frustration being demonstrated by AR was completely understandable. And J. Williams- if he'd been healthy for the Philly, I really believe the Pack would be undefeated. What is worrisome is that this is the second time they've played on a non-Sunday, and the second time they've shown themselves to be mistake prone and lackadaisical.

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Mojo's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:40 pm

You have to admit though both Lazard and MVS made a couple of great catches.

Was pissed at Shepherd on the deflected pick, but in his defense the ball was slightly behind him and he slipped trying to contort back to it. Still should have had it though.

The Jones drop was bad. I will say he's and RB not a WR, but should have had easily.

The worst drop was GMo's on the Packers first series. That was ugly.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 15, 2019 at 03:02 am

Graham needs to catch that pass for the TD. Didn't matter since Jamaal ran it in a play or two later. We are used to Jordy, Cobb and Adams getting down to make that catch.

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edp1959's picture

October 15, 2019 at 05:27 am

Maybe if you knew anything about the game instead of being acting horses ass constantly you wouldn't have to ask stupid questions.

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PeteK's picture

October 15, 2019 at 10:23 am

He's not shooting bullets. It's very difficult to have pin point accuracy with a football. Rogers will be in the HOF because of his accuracy. Play nice in the sandbox or sit in the corner with dunce caps on.

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TommyG's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:37 pm

1. WTF?
2. WiTF?
3. Dropped pass
4. Dropped TD pass
5. I hate blaming refs for losses and wins but Detroit got hosed.
6. Nice to see Lazard step up in a huge way.
7. 5-1 feels pretty good. GO PACK GO!

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4thand10's picture

October 15, 2019 at 12:34 am

They got gifted a free rushing touchdown. That ball didn’t cross. Lindsey getting called for offensive holding while driving the guy back 5 yards...when there was nothing illegal about what he did. Graham should have caught the TD....but watch it again and see the PI happen and not get called.

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Faust14's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:37 pm

Booger is intolerable.

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Bure9620's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:40 pm

I would rather eat my own Boogers than listen to Booger another game. Had to turn the volume off.

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Spock's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:41 pm

Too bad I agree with you because I'd have loved to reply, "Is Snot" :)

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October 14, 2019 at 10:52 pm

Yes he is! Glad I don't have to listen to him all the time!

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WinUSA's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:08 pm

U N D E R S T A T E M E N T!!!!!!! But TOTALLY agree!

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:37 pm

Minus THREE in TO ratio & win? Any concerns about Rodgers should be laid to rest - he was much better than his #s.

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PackfanNY's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:44 pm

The Rodgers pass to Lazard was a dime. It was perfection.

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BoCallahan's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:37 pm

Shep really cost us tonight. He may have seen his last game as a Packer. He seemed indecisive tonight.

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Farts_After_Wins's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:38 pm

*poot*

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GonzoEric's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:40 pm

A win is a win, 5-1 feels very nice. Let's all take a moment and admire what Brian G has given the Packers D, The Sack-firm of Smith and Smith and associates. Love watching those dudes play!

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PackfanNY's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:42 pm

Huge win. I don’t want to make excuses for Aaron Jones but I do wonder if he was not concussed in the 1st Quarter. He was whacked pretty good in the head and he was just not right after that hit. Someone needed to step up and show themselves and that guy was Lazard. Sheppard was a disaster. I always want to give the guy a chance but the stage looked to big.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:58 pm

Jamal Williams stepped up for Jones. Lazard stepped up for Allison. Next man up mentality.

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Mojo's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:59 pm

Jones was really lit-up after a short pass and run near the numbers with 5:40 left in the first Q. Surprised he got up after that one with heavy helmet-to-helmet contact.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:43 pm

Preston and Z...wow. I’m still pissed we didn’t sign Mack as he’d provide some great depth at the position.

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J_brooks's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:55 pm

I don’t get the downvotes - excellent troll job Doug. Literally made me lol!

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:17 pm

I’m with you JB. Don’t get the downvotes. Oh well...

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BamaPackFan's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:58 pm

Now that's funny. Nice one.

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Wenis's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:46 pm

Embarrassing win at the hands of the refs. Just mind boggling some of these calls.

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PackfanNY's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:47 pm

No such thing as an embarrassing win. If that were true, I’ll go for humiliation please.

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dobber's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:51 pm

Meh. Every team wins some/loses some based on ref's calls. What comes around goes around.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:04 pm

The refs didn't drop a dime on Lazard in the endzone for the TD, nor did they sack Stafford on key 3rd downs. Last year's squad would have wilted in the end.

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Tundraboy's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:44 pm

So, so true.

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SterlingSharpe's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:48 pm

One thing I'm very disappointed in is NOBODY has given props to Jaire Alexander for bailing out Kevin King on the first play to Golliday.
Jaire left his guy and caught Golliday. That saved the touchdown.
And I was hard on Jaire last week here in Dallas, but people need to realize he saved 4 huge points right away.

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mrj007's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:12 pm

We gotta start covering guys w #19 on their jerseys. Secondary seemed to settle in in 2nd Half. Did the Pack actually make an adjustment?

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dru Brooks's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:48 pm

Maybe you all remember when the pack signed a little known reciever named Andre Rison and it propelled them into the super bowl... I don't know, maybe picking up an experienced player might put this recieving core where it needs to be.
Got lucky today, but DAMN, that pass to Lazard for the TD was amazing!!

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mrj007's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:49 pm

I ALSO recall Desmond Howard being as not even more impactful acquisition that year. 96 team was easily the best team GB has had since there 60s. Those two wide outs (Rison and Howard) were prime time in the SB... Who could be that guy this year?

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Demon's picture

October 15, 2019 at 06:42 am

Little known? Rison was one of the premier receivers in the NFL with the Falcons. He was hardly an unknown commodity. His problem were teams had tired of his off the field antics.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:49 pm

People will cry for Detroit but not me. I have no pity for them after all the low life crap they pulled during the Jim Schwartz regime.

That said the Pack is lucky to get a win against a tough team after turning the ball over three times. I expect wins are very rare when -3 in turnovers.

Rodger has his deep touch back which is great.

The ESPN crew is full off hacks. Except the main cameraman. He was good, didn't waste a third of the frame in an empty backfield.

Great game by Jamal Williams. Heads up football.

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JQ's picture

October 15, 2019 at 07:55 am

Crosby with the “Lambeau Leap.” Awesome!
Jamaal with a stiff-arm to shuck a tackler!
Lazard stepping up big time!
Packer defense with some real tenacity to hold detroit to field goals multiple times.
5-1 and 3-0 in the division. Bad A$$!
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Darius Shepherd, on the other hand, not ready for prime time...literally.

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CoachJV's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:56 pm

Dude... that stiff arm was awesome! It should be on the highlight reel all season.

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CoachJV's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:54 pm

I feel bad for Aaron Jones... poor kid had a rough night. But it happens to the best players in the world. I still think he's going to be a superstar. And I still firmly believe he will have 1800 All Purpose Yards this season.

The Smiths... damn... just... damn. I love those guys.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:07 pm

Jones has 452 All Purpise yards in 6 games. 1800 seems unrealistic. Doesn't take away from Jones's accomplishments just trying for a dose of reality.

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SterlingSharpe's picture

October 15, 2019 at 08:10 am

I love Aaron J, but I think he read too many press-clippings last week.
I passionately dislike the Patriots, but one of Belichick's keys to their success is ATTITUDE.
Brady & company win a game by 25 & they talk about "mistakes", "left some plays out there", have to fix stuff etc.

I don't like when guys put themselves on a pedestal in interviews or tweets etc. Only pedestal is getting a Lombardi Trophy.

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Swisch's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:54 pm

(1) I like that Aaron Rodgers seems to be sincerely trying to implement a short game, but I can see that there are times when he needs to be his daring, downfield self. On the amazing 35-yard touchdown to Lazard, we only needed 5 yards for the first down, and Kumerow seemed open on a crossing route, and Lazard was well covered -- but maybe there are times when you give our great QB the benefit of the doubt.
(2) Speaking of Lazard, after the touchdown, on the last drive, that short catch in which he bulldozed into the defensive back for a little extra yardage seemed to lift our offense to another gear.
(3) Great catch by Graham near the end, but he still seems slow and clunky; whereas Lewis looks like a beast in his mid-20s instead of mid-30s.
(4) I'm not as concerned about the turnovers by Shepherd as that he looks too slow. I hope I'm wrong.
(5) Mason Crosby will be alive and kicking for the Packers when we win our next Super Bowl sometime in the next three or four seasons.
(6) Somehow this seems the most satisfying win of the season for the Packers and us fans.

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dobber's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:55 pm

It's sad when Graham makes Lewis look young and spry.

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CoachJV's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:00 pm

But... Amazingly... Graham blocked well tonight. Maybe the best he's ever blocked in his career. Broke open Jones and Williams a couple of times. Had a couple of other good blocks too.

It's like... Bizaro World or something.

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mrj007's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:22 pm

Offense was moving the ball too. Drops and turnovers killed a few promising drive. Still get annoyed when Rodgers drops back 20 yds on 3rd down and takes the sack. 2 or 3 times he was baited out by bad ref calls so it didn't sting, but those are momentum swinging plays that seem to always let teams back into the game each week

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mrj007's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:23 pm

Sometimes it seems the wind could tackle Graham....

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mrj007's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:17 pm

We could dump Graham and use the $9M on a 1yr WR deal

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dobber's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:54 pm

Subtract those two long pass plays in the first quarter and Detroit goes for about 175 yards of total offense tonight.

Defense weathered the storm and saved this game tonight.

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Mojo's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:30 pm

Yeah, everyone will be talking about the Lazard TD, but the D made a number of stops to keep them in the game especially considering the 3 TO's.

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Oppy's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:54 pm

Dean Lowry played the game of his life tonight.

Packers WRs really did let down Rodgers tonight.

This game should have been out of hand, but the Packers Defense gets my game ball for keeping the Packers in a winnable contest all night long.

Loved watching Mason go into the stands with the assist.

Refs handed us this game... Division opponent, 5-1 and alone atop the North? I'll take it.

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Swisch's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:23 pm

It seems Rodgers threw the ball behind Shepherd on the interception; and that he also threw one behind Lazard that was defended for an incompletion.
What was cool was that he went right back to Lazard on the next play for the amazing touchdown.

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MITM's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:32 pm

I was hoping somebody would mention Lowry. Lowry was outstanding tonight.

As far as those 2 phantom hands to the face calls, they were BAD. I also think the Packers made a goal line stand and got screwed there. So I really don't feel bad, just like you said the Defense held the Lions to 5 field goals - and that is on Detroit not the refs.

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4thand1's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:55 pm

I had a feeling J Williams would have a great game. The sit down at the end was icing on the cake. Lolions got every break and lost. All we'll hear is the hands to the face calls. They didn't score the 1st TD either.

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dobber's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:56 pm

Lions score a couple touchdowns instead of FGs and this game is a laugher.

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4thand1's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:45 pm

Yes Dobber but they didn't.

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Spock's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:58 pm

"The sit down at the end was icing on the cake.". LOL, the 'cat who ate the canary' smile on his face made me laugh out loud. Really, really, smart clock management there. Why give Stafford a chance to hit more long passes. What a great game to watch.

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ghostdog1108's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:55 pm

Excellent points as usual!

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EdsLaces's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:57 pm

I wish my little brother was still here to see this season. It's been fun to watch the Pack all year ..

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splitpea1's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:38 pm

This helped make up for the Minnesota game last year. No P.I. on Redmond and hands to the face on Flowers; terrible officiating, but it went our way.

Hello short passing game (where have you been?) to Lazard! Maybe we found our new #2 once Davante gets back.

Great job Jamaal Williams--that's why you need two good backs.

Have to give myself a pat on the back for saying that if the Packers defense could hold the Lions to field goal opportunities, they should win. However, I didn't think it would be such an uphill struggle to move the ball against them. But it really slows thing down when you're so thin at WR. Gute is almost going to have to do something now.

Speaking of Gute, was it wise to trade T. Davis? I know he made mistakes, but he was an experienced returner and he was also sometimes useful as a receiver. Shepherd, after his blunder, was terrified to do anything except make fair catches. The interception near the goal line was just bad luck. Hopefully he won't lose his confidence and bounce back.

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Oppy's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:00 pm

Davis didn't make nearly as many mistakes as many fans think he did.
Also lost in the mix is that he was considered our best gunner, and our ST coverage units were being gouged heavily the 2-3 weeks after his trade.

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Oppy's picture

October 14, 2019 at 10:58 pm

Oh.. and Jamaal Williams.. so many Packers fans just wanted to be rid of this young man.

He's not glitz and glamour, but all he does is run hard, get tough yards, churn out first downs. He's an NFL back. Honestly, the awareness to realize DET was attempting to allow him to score and drop down was impressive. Could it have backfired? Yeah.. but then again, how many times over the years have we watched the Packers lose a game because they left too much time on the clock for their opponent to play with in a close contest? It worked out, and it really did display some very quick recognition and thinking in the heat of the moment.

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Mojo's picture

October 15, 2019 at 12:42 am

People forget that J Williams was a higher prospect coming out than Aaron Jones.

There's nothing wrong with a back who can get three or four tough yards and occasionally break one.

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flackcatcher's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:00 pm

What a game. Blaming the Refs is worthless. This team overcame their own mental mistakes to take this game. Rodgers. Wow. Lions is a good team, and the Packers beat a good football team tonight. Don't forget that. I need a (root) Beer......

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Lphill's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:00 pm

I don’t think the Lions scored but so be it , Lazard is the real deal will be fun with him and Adams together.

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stockholder's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:00 pm

Should not have traded Davis. Williams so unselfish and smart. Lazard needs to replace Allison. Arron Rodgers so calm. Huge run. MVS was a #2 tonight. I wouldn't go get any Wr. Crosby please learn how to jump in the crowd.

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Spock's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:08 pm

I'm okay with Crosby getting the "assist" for his Lambeau "leap". The last thing we'd need is for him to pull a hamstring or something trying to jump up. It looked to me like that assist was pre-planned for that very reason. Do you remember way back when when one of the brothers who kicked in the NFL messed up his leg jumping up and down celebrating a good kick? As long as he keeps making the kicks he can have two guys helping him with his leap for all I care.

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LayingTheLawe's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:41 pm

It was the long snapper who gave him the leg up so it was obviously something they had planned out if they ever got a walk off in Lambeau

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LayingTheLawe's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:04 pm

The refs did nothing in this game they haven't been doing for years and years. They see a player move or react, in this case Bakhtiaris head going back, and figure there must be a penalty. Everyone in the media will go nuts only because this time its hands to the face instead of the 50000 holds that have ended drives and games over the years. Its really only a big deal because pass rushers aren't used to being on this end of the bogus call.

Rodgers was great and just needed someone to catch the damn ball.

The defense came back in the second half after king got torched twice early.

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atundraman's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:13 pm

For everyone whining about the hands to the face penalty, if they call them "defensive holding" which they clearly WERE, there is NO controversy. Both are automatic first downs.

Go Pack Go!

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stockholder's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:18 pm

The replay shows a side view. The contact was a fist from the front before they turned. Did anyone else see that first?

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superbowl's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:20 pm

I agree the officials weren't great, but the calls weren't terrible either. Why is Flowers doing the exact same thing he just got called for. That's on you buddy.

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MITM's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:34 pm

Great point, I thought the same. If he got called for it once maybe make a pass rush move instead of doing something that you already got called for.

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ottscay's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:31 pm

I can't blame Lions fans that are sore, though it didn't look like the Lions got in on that TD on 4th down, and there were some holding/PI non-calls the Lions committed that killed Green Bay drives also (though earlier in the game). That's why teams strive to keep the game out of the refs hands.

Anyhow, great game by Rodgers, Lazard, Williams, and our run defense looked a lot better. The Smith brothers are making a strong early case that we got a bargain with them. Go Pack!

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mrj007's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:35 pm

Mercedes Lewis played well. Did R Gary suit up? Don't recall hearing his name even once. Tramon Williams had a few nice plays too. Lowry looked all pro stopping runs between tackles in 2nd half - reminded me of a skinny Gilbert Brown.

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jsb937's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:35 pm

CUT JIMMY GRAHAM OLEASE.

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GVPacker's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:47 pm

Booger and the other Guy are almost as bad as Troy and Joe u suck Buck. Dean Lowery you put your Big Boy Pants on tonight!

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4thand1's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:55 pm

Lazard WILL be the 2nd receiver this team needs down the road. MLF says AR was calling for him down the stretch. After the game AR heaped a lot of praise on Lazard. We're set, book it! GOPACKGO.

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johngalt's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:55 pm

Graham looked like he had concrete in his shoes. I know Shepard had a rough game, but he’s not getting the $ Graham is. 80 is cutting a fat hog, and has dropped multiple TD passes that land right on his dic$ beaters.

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4thand1's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:53 pm

STFUP lolions, 5 fields goals will lose the game.

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mrj007's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:54 pm

We converted a 3rd and 1!!!!! (Only took 6 games to do it)

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4thand1's picture

October 14, 2019 at 11:57 pm

The lolions blew out a big Booger. Worst announcer in the NFL.

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Harold Drake's picture

October 15, 2019 at 02:20 am

Dear Sir,
You are absolutely right. An announcer who graduated last in his class from the lowest-ranked commentator school in America. Booger go home. MNF is the worst.

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Harold Drake's picture

October 15, 2019 at 02:18 am

A game-winning drive led by Aaron Rodgers! Could this be the beginning of a beautiful receiving relationship with Allen Lazard? Is it possible that this player was undrafted? An ugly win but that's what you need to make it to the post-season in the best division in football. The Pack goes up 3-0 in the division and that will be hard to overcome. Now if only the Pack could trade for an elite receiver to give Rodgers the extra weapon he needs. Slow man Graham and Shepherd are not the answers. Mr Nagler needs to get on the programme.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 15, 2019 at 03:20 am

Fackrell had some disruptive plays. Finally got on the stat sheet with a QB hit, a half sack and a TFL. Not bad for one's #4 OLB. I will be interested in his snap count.

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ShooterMcGee's picture

October 15, 2019 at 06:10 am

Let's obtain OJ Howard for a 4th round pick next year. He was a freak at Alabama but has fallen out of favor in Tampa Bay.

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Donster's picture

October 15, 2019 at 08:06 am

Shepard needs a year on the practice squad. Nice to see Lazard able to show what made him such a good player at Iowa State. And I agree Gute needs to bring in a vet WR if possible. Where in the hell is Vitale? Hope Tonyan's injury isn't severe from last week. They missed him last night.

The offense is still finding its way. Getting better. But have got to fix the dropped passes.

They get the offense fixed they can go places come January.

As for the officials, "They were who we thought they were". Fortunately, it went our way this game.

Three wins against division opponents is a very good start. And beating Dallas was great, and at Jerry's house even better.

Hopefully the team won't over look the Raiders while looking ahead to the Chiefs.

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Rob_S's picture

October 15, 2019 at 12:58 pm

I think Aaron Rogers said it best, "IT DIDN'T FEEL LIKE A WIN"

Who could disagree?

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Wilment's picture

October 15, 2019 at 06:42 pm

Last nights game taught us a couple things, most striking of which is that we need help at wide receiver. I think its time for someone in the front office to look around and find that veteran guy that can do for us what the pickup of Andre' Rison did years ago. I hate to say it, but theres a guy sitting at home named Jordy Nelson that looks like he is still in football shape.....just a thought....GO PACK!!

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