Gut Reactions: Packers 29 Vikings 29
By PackerAaron
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The NFL hates football. - That said, the Packers died of self-inflicted wounds today.
- Jaire Alexander is a player.
- You can not roll out Kyler Fackrell with the game on the line and expect to be taken seriously.
- Way too many 3rd and long situations on offense. The Packer struggle with those when Rodgers is healthy, let alone on one leg.
- The holding call on Lane Taylor was atrocious.
- As was the roughing call on Matthews.
- The running game was a pleasant surprise when McCarthy wasn't ignoring it.
- And yes, I'm sorry, but the Packers had to overcome the refs and their coach today and just couldn't do it.
- After the Clinton-Dix interception, just run the damn ball.
- I love the Jamaal Williams shimmy after he picks up a first down.
- Davante Adams is a bad man after the catch.
- The Vikings kicker just missed another field goal.
- Mason Crosby is a weapon. Tough miss at the end of regulation but still a hell of a day.
- Geronimo Allison is turning into a really solid player.
- I hate ties.
- I need a drink.
- Go Pack.
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Comments (300)
Idiot Fan
September 16, 2018 at 04:22 pm
I never thought that the NFL would be able to make me start to lose interest in the game, but they're actually starting to do it. Too many times games are swung based on some totally subjective call on a defensive penalty or perhaps on the definition of a catch. It's actually really getting less fun to watch, IMO.
Skip greenBayless
September 16, 2018 at 04:27 pm
Agree Idiot Fan. I just spent/wasted over 4 hours of my day watching what I believe is football but I have to question that now. Win or lose as a fan you just want a fair and honest outcome. Today we didn't come close to fair. The Matthews hit on the qb could be the straw that broke us the fans' back. The game should have been over at that point. Shame on the NFL if this is the product they want on the field.!!
carlos
September 16, 2018 at 07:10 pm
It makes you wonder if refs are controlling games for the “new” betting policies. Refs and the NFL brass are in collusion when it comes to wrecking games. I agree with you all, but I’m going to continue watching.
carlos
September 16, 2018 at 07:18 pm
Commercials, which I hate, are more tolerable than the refs.
Coldworld
September 16, 2018 at 07:33 pm
it wasnt just the fake Clay call, or even the terrible call of holding on Taylor by an official 40yds away. Generally, the officiating was not up to standard throughout the game.
RobinsonDavis
September 16, 2018 at 04:30 pm
Yes....exactly. I would like the NFL to tell me what IS a legal tackle and how this was any different than what happened to Aaron earlier. Also, i would like to see some of their bleeping lawyers tell us all how you are supposed to tackle without following through.
This happened in other games I watched this year and i'ts atrocious! I can't watch anymore of this and hear their BS explanation.
pacman
September 16, 2018 at 06:43 pm
We are headed toward two hand touch on the qb.
Grandfathered
September 16, 2018 at 04:31 pm
I agree some bad calls, but they're all subjective. I would hope that as the season goes on the refs improve.
Nerd
September 16, 2018 at 04:45 pm
I hope the organized crime influence is removed, but now that gambling is being legalized, I have to assume it's only gonna get worse.
TKWorldWide
September 16, 2018 at 06:38 pm
Fuh gedda bout it
GBPDAN1
September 17, 2018 at 03:17 am
I celebrated a win 3 or 4 times in that game, refs killed us. So did MM.
. Hope King is ok, we obviously need him
. Or OLBs are a mess
. Our D looked absolutely horrible in the 4th quarter ... 3 TDs and a 2 pt
. We can go 5-0-1 before the bye, unless our D collapses again
Hawg Hanner
September 16, 2018 at 05:14 pm
With all the talent brought in on defense it looked way too easy for the Viking passing game. I thought we got rid of Dom Capers?
cpabandit
September 16, 2018 at 05:20 pm
I've posted this many times in the past but unfortunately the Green Bay defense always make the opposing QB a future HOF.
pacman
September 16, 2018 at 06:45 pm
Sorry, this time Cousins earned it. He is good. Like it or not, so are the Vikings. But we still should have won that game!
CHEESEHEADDALLAS
September 16, 2018 at 07:09 pm
We can’t win when we have the bozo couching the game it is hard to blame the running game when bozo does not know what it means .as far as the calls go right or wrong you know they are protecting the qb it was a bone head move. If Vincent was our gm mathewes would be on the next train out of town
Oppy
September 16, 2018 at 07:17 pm
If vincent was our GM there would be a terrible odor wafting around the front offices.
Doug_In_Sandpoint
September 17, 2018 at 05:31 am
Weekend at Vinny’s.
Nerd
September 16, 2018 at 08:53 pm
Every time we got the dagger, it was taken away. That tends to make the opposing team look better than they really are.
Coldworld
September 16, 2018 at 07:39 pm
Take away the interception or add the Graham
Interception, either, and the stats would look very different.
Cook did little on the ground. Cousins did through a perfect pass on the long 75 yarder to get back in the game. Need to give credit where it is due.
holmesmd
September 16, 2018 at 06:09 pm
It was 80 degrees and they were gassed. Despite giving up too many yards & big plays, I thought the D put us in a position to win a few times. Could you say that about past units?
Nerd
September 16, 2018 at 04:44 pm
I paid $300 for Sunday Ticket. Still haven't been able to watch a game yet.
TarynsEyes
September 16, 2018 at 05:02 pm
Who pays to watch the NFL , let alone $300 ?
Brilliant !!!
NickPerry
September 16, 2018 at 06:48 pm
People who are Packers fans who don't live in that market. For someone so smart you sure ask some stupid ass questions!!!
Rak43
September 16, 2018 at 08:01 pm
"Who pays to watch the NFL , let alone $300 ?
Brilliant !!!". ………………………………..If you guessed a higher life form than a troll who's hell bent on spewing negativity for attention you just hit the dailey double, ding! ding! ding!
Tundraboy
September 16, 2018 at 07:00 pm
Wow. I went $99 for Game Pass. But I hedged my bet by going installments, since trial was shaky. Glad I did. Only watched Preseason games ,Bears was network anyway,and this game not available for some reason. What a joke. Guess I'll wait for the all 22 on this game,but maybe not.
NickPerry
September 17, 2018 at 05:44 am
If your anything like me TB you might not want to watch it. NEVER have I understood the phrase "A tie is like kissing your sister" more than I did Sunday. It TOTALLY feels like a loss.
Tundraboy
September 17, 2018 at 07:34 am
So true NP. By the way I saw everything but the blocked punt and the last series.,in a crystal clear free stream.
Can not bear to watch again.
Rak43
September 17, 2018 at 12:34 pm
That is true, yet it is all perspective. As far as I'm concerned I knew the Packers were not going to win every game, so I still expect them to win 12 games they'll just be 12-3-1 instead of 12-4. :}
GBPDAN1
September 16, 2018 at 04:52 pm
Is the NFL going to put a red Jersey on the QBs next?
Norm
September 16, 2018 at 04:45 pm
After being a fan of the NFL since the early 70's I never thought I'd be there with you Idiot but it's starting to happen to me too. Sports is all about the highs and the lows, but the highs should stay highs and the lows should stay lows. Now after every play I find myself hesitating, rather than immediately cheering or cringing, as I wait to see if there is a penalty, was there a timeout, will it be overruled on the replay, etc.. Sports isn't supposed to be like that, I might as well record the game and watch the highlights, the instant drama is gone. I find myself having no interest in watching any other games that don't involve the Packers, and I used to be good for 5-6 games a week, and every single playoff game. Think about that Goodell.
LeotisHarris
September 16, 2018 at 10:06 pm
I'm with you, Norm. It's not much fun anymore to watch an NFL game for all the reasons you've stated so well.
I'd add the camera work is excellent at times, but whomever calls the production shots makes any kind of flow impossible. If it's not multiple replays, it's close-ups of the head coach, DC, OC whoever on the sideline, or some dipshit in the stands, between plays. What if they allowed us to watch the damn game?
TKWorldWide
September 16, 2018 at 05:24 pm
You keep making good points like this, we’re gonna hafta upgrade you to Dummy Fan. ;)
Mojo
September 16, 2018 at 05:54 pm
Thought the same thing Idiot. After the CM3 call I thought to myself why am I even watching this? I turned the game off in OT .
It's a farce all to often with the outcome predicated by the whims of the refs who will call the same play one way and totally different the next time.
About mid-week we'll get a mea culpa from the NFL on the call leaving me to wonder why do I take any of this seriously.
cpitt
September 16, 2018 at 04:22 pm
MM better be gone if they dont win the SB this year. Guy is clueless
CHEESEHEADDALLAS
September 16, 2018 at 07:17 pm
BOZO NEEDS TO BE GONE and take MAThEws WITH HIM ROADS WAS BETTER T HIS
Barnacle
September 17, 2018 at 06:43 am
CPIT
MM .........wastes timeouts, passing with under 2 minute and 1st down and a lead, having QB f—- around and drawing penalties from both teams and wasting timeouts, retaining an inept ST coach, and giving absolutely inane press conferences.
Mashed Potato Mike is a bad coach. He should be terminated.
EdsLaces
September 16, 2018 at 04:23 pm
Exactly...run the damn ball.Worst call ever on Clay. Alexander is gonna be a stud. And lastly, the NFL does hate football!!!
RobinsonDavis
September 16, 2018 at 04:44 pm
Yep, running the ball after the 2:00 minute warning, would have at least taken away two time-outs, but I agree that we needed a touchdown. Thought the best time to throw and go for the touchdown was when there was 2:05 on the clock and a 1st down. But, I don't blame MM here.
We went for the clincher and it did not work out. We should have won the game anyways.....but oops, forgot refs control the outcome in the NFL.
TKWorldWide
September 16, 2018 at 05:26 pm
“Foot on the gas” vs “clock management”
When you don’t win, you picked the wrong one.
Oppy
September 16, 2018 at 05:46 pm
It's amazing how the fan base is never wrong after the game is over.
TKWorldWide
September 16, 2018 at 06:23 pm
Just win, baby.
Thegreatreynoldo
September 16, 2018 at 06:29 pm
I am a member of the anti-MM club. I have no problem with the late playcalling. All I ask when the team needs a first down or points to seal the game is that the call should be appropriate given the defensive personnel and what they are showing.
I thought those two plays especially the pass to Davante in the end zone had a solid chance of plunging the dagger into MN.
pacman
September 16, 2018 at 06:47 pm
I'm not upset on the pass to Adams. He should have caught that one. Packers have lacked killer instinct in past. The way Cousins was starting to carve us up, I think it was a good call.
mrtundra
September 17, 2018 at 10:03 am
There was also a helmet to helmet on Adams while he was on the turf, on that play, that wasn't called. We should have had the ball, first and goal, on the 1 if the refs would have thrown a flag.
Coldworld
September 16, 2018 at 07:41 pm
King looked really good in coverage to me. Hope his groin injury is minor.
Coldworld
September 16, 2018 at 07:42 pm
In the first half Toomer seemed to be making a lot of tackles. I will be interested to see how he grades out.
4thand10
September 16, 2018 at 08:10 pm
Grahams touchdown was also taken away on a phantom holding call...Green Bay was winning this game. Mistakes were made but not nearly the magnitude of the mistake made by The officials.
JonathanSpader
September 16, 2018 at 11:48 pm
Kenny Clark is a beast.
Lare
September 16, 2018 at 04:24 pm
Bad officiating, bad defense, bad offensive line play, questionable play calling at the end.
Tough to win when the officials and bad decisions by your coaches decide the outcome of the game.
Nerd
September 16, 2018 at 04:42 pm
If the NFL is concerned about it's ratings, maybe let the players determine the outcome.
FACT. We were the better team today. The Vikings are exposed, they are who we thought they were. I am not afraid of the Vikings anymore.
Idiot Fan
September 16, 2018 at 04:57 pm
They are a very good team. But we were just as good, if not better.
cpabandit
September 16, 2018 at 05:27 pm
Nerd and Idiot, I don't agree with either of you. I feel the Vikings offense was better, making the plays when they needed to be made, scoring TDs instead of FGs. I feel the Vikings play calling was better than the Packers (but that's a given every week, regardless who the Packers play). I feel the Vikings defense was better than the Packers and the 4th quarter defense by the Packers was ridiculously horrible (again, that's a given every week particularly in the 4th quarter).
Tundraboy
September 16, 2018 at 05:51 pm
Yes we are,which makes it all the more agonizing.
Bedrock
September 16, 2018 at 06:48 pm
Who’s a good team? The ones in vertical black and white stripes?
mrtundra
September 17, 2018 at 10:05 am
The vikings are NOT the better team.
TarynsEyes
September 16, 2018 at 05:05 pm
I thought your Sunday Ticket wasn't being nice to you. How did you watch the game ?
Also, you should still be afraid of the Vikings.
holmesmd
September 16, 2018 at 06:14 pm
Do you ever say anything positive? It’s actually comical. Why do you even follow the team Negative Nancy? Annoying AF.
croatpackfan
September 17, 2018 at 01:54 am
DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!
Tarynfor12 is troll! He is always "against"!
Skip greenBayless
September 17, 2018 at 02:13 am
Croat, from my understanding Taryn is a woman and to be honest she is probably the no. 1 read here. At first I didn't understand her or why she was saying what she was saying but a Troll she is not. She simply appears to provide a different voice to this team and how most see it. I enjoy her and frankly she's funny as hell with some of the things she says. I even speculated that she could be Cows wife and he's feeding her what to say who knows. You take her away and we have what Oppy? Does anyone want to hear what Oppy says. Talk about falling asleep. Taryn12 is a budding rock star.
Oppy
September 17, 2018 at 07:11 am
I'm just curious Dash Riprock, you know who COW is, but you've only got 90 posts here at CHTV. Who were you before? I see you.
TheBigCheeze
September 16, 2018 at 05:53 pm
....you should have never been afraid of them in the first place.
carlos
September 16, 2018 at 07:27 pm
We did score 29 points on a top defense on a banged up QB. Also had to play against the refs. Considering all that and some bone headed situations I’m glad not to lose. Disappointed for sure.
Rak43
September 16, 2018 at 04:44 pm
Disagree on the defense. I think they played solid and made enough plays to win. There's nothing they could do about the officiating. It was 11 vs 18 on that field today. I found it interesting on the Adams TD pass from Rodgers that was called incomplete the refs had absolutely no problem with Harrison Smith drilling a defenseless receiver who made no football move in the helmet with his own helmet and shoulder pads. I promise you if that had been a Vikings receiver they would have called a personal foul.
fthisJack
September 16, 2018 at 04:24 pm
refs were Fu$king atrocious
today. no PI on the pass to Graham and then a play later the push off on Adams....then the mythical ruffing t Cousins and the TD called back on Taylor's phantom hold. 4 plays that kept the Vikings in the game.
4thand10
September 16, 2018 at 04:36 pm
You are correct, anyone watching knows the Packers were winning all day, those calls were crucial. It was like they were trying to keep it close to make up for all the expert predicting that Minnesota was going to win this. I realize calls can go either way, normal game bla bla bla...but that particular officiating group were worse than college refs.
Coldworld
September 16, 2018 at 07:46 pm
Worst overall officiating performance I have witnessed since the strike.
Sorry Ricky, wrote before seeing your comment below
ricky
September 16, 2018 at 04:39 pm
Worst officiating in a Packer game since the Fail Mary. Seriously makes me wonder if the opening of gambling in all states had an effect on the calls. I'm usually not a conspiracy person, but if you want to affect a game, you don't get to the players, you get to the refs.
Lare
September 16, 2018 at 05:23 pm
I had signed up for NFLSunday Ticket but just cancelled my subscription. I'm not paying money to watch games the NFL & their officials have already decided the outcomes of.
NickPerry
September 17, 2018 at 05:56 am
Call Direct TV and threaten to change your service provider. Now I've paid for Sunday Ticket EVERY year since 2010. I've gotten 50% off most years or at least some kind of discount. 10 days ago I called and was told the best they could do was six $65 payments over 6 months. I tried and tried to wheel and deal and she wouldn't budge. I didn't order Sunday Ticket opting instead to see if the game would be on in Los Angeles.
Since L.A. now has the Rams and Chargers the Packers aren't on locally anymore here in L.A. Sundays game wasn't on so I called Direct TV for a different voice and hopefully different result.
I was able to get Sunday Ticket FOR FREE this season AND 12 months of FREE HBO & I was able to keep all my previous discounts.
Give it a try.
LayingTheLawe
September 16, 2018 at 08:19 pm
Usually these things even out over a game, but today the refs really leaned toward one side in every call.
tm_inter
September 16, 2018 at 08:24 pm
I was so disgusted with the ref's roughing-the-passer call on Clay Matthews and non-calls on Aaron Rodgers' being roughed up a few times by the Vikings that I lost interest in watching the overtime. I just turned off the tv and found something else to do instead.
Does the NFL mete out punishments for the refs that perform badly? There should be a system of postgame evaluation of the refs that don't do their jobs properly.
FAN24583
September 17, 2018 at 06:35 pm
absolutely agree!! They should be fined when they make a bad call, but then the NFL would never admit a "bad call" the NFL sucks under RG. I will not quit watching until AR retires but then it is over!!!!
fthisJack
September 16, 2018 at 04:24 pm
and of course MM glorious clock management.
Idiot Fan
September 16, 2018 at 04:31 pm
The thing is, if MM had run the ball three times, people here would be furious saying, "typical MM takes his foot off the gas! He's got to go!" If Adams is able to hang on to that pass in the endzone, the game is over. Here we often want Mike to be bold and go for it. He went for the win there, and it just barely didn't work out. I was actually ok with it.
Since'61
September 16, 2018 at 04:41 pm
I agree. MM was trying to end the game and avoid an 8 point lead with an FG. Even with that the game was over on Alexanader's pick but the officials got involved and called roughing on CM3 which was not roughing but just an atrocious call that cost a victory. Thanks, Since '61
Charvid
September 16, 2018 at 06:17 pm
Terrible call and not even the worst call of the day. The holding call on the Graham touchdown was actually worse and took 4 points off the board. Regulation time never should have ended in a tie.
TKWorldWide
September 16, 2018 at 05:28 pm
Same page.
See my post above.
marpag1
September 16, 2018 at 04:35 pm
Honestly, I think I’m more pissed off about the Matthews roughing penalty than I was about the Fail Mary. The fail Mary was just some poor Div. III replacement ref who was out of his depth and made a bad call. But this is the NFL actively working to destroy the game by means of its own dumbass rules.
It’s no longer a joke. It really is two-hand touch.
GVPacker
September 16, 2018 at 04:27 pm
I concur, the NFL is imploding!
TKWorldWide
September 16, 2018 at 05:30 pm
Are we seeing “rampant dumbassery”??
Mojo
September 16, 2018 at 06:09 pm
The thing is CM3 broke no NFL rule(s) on the roughing call. Just total overreacting by a boot-licking ref probably overwhelmed with trying to make sure the new rules are enforced.
Horrible judgement call on a play that need no adjudication.
marpag1
September 16, 2018 at 06:17 pm
After the game, Corrente said, "It has nothing to do with the rule of full body weight... When he hit the quarterback, he lifted him and drove him into the ground."
Unbelievable. Just totally unbelievable.
Coldworld
September 16, 2018 at 07:48 pm
Lol, that was not driving to the ground. That was a bad ref trying to justify a bad call and making it look even worse.
holmesmd
September 17, 2018 at 07:38 am
Yes. They call it “burping” the QB, which is total BS because Cousins had jumped and his feet were already off the ground! So how does Mathews get called there?! It was just such BS! If anything I might have understood a “late hit” explanation but the statement made to actually justify the call was totally horse***t. Unreal!
Lphill
September 16, 2018 at 04:26 pm
Packers still gave up over 400 yards and 4 TD to Cousins . That is not good.
Lare
September 16, 2018 at 04:35 pm
So much for Pettine being our defensive savior.
Tundraboy
September 16, 2018 at 07:21 pm
Low blow. He had us positioned to win.
PackerAaron
September 16, 2018 at 04:36 pm
3 of those TDs came in the 4th quarter. They just ran out of gas.
Idiot Fan
September 16, 2018 at 04:40 pm
House having to go in for King was also crucial.
mrtundra
September 17, 2018 at 10:08 am
King's injury exposed how bad House was covering a speedy receiver like Diggs.
Skip greenBayless
September 16, 2018 at 04:44 pm
Kevin King not being in there killed us the most. Will that guy ever be able to play a game without getting injured? We needed him that second half damnit!!
jeremyjjbrown
September 16, 2018 at 07:23 pm
Sure, but all of the games are going to last 4 quarters.
4thand10
September 16, 2018 at 04:39 pm
Yes, Lphill....all in the last 4 minutes...
4thand10
September 16, 2018 at 04:52 pm
20-7 heading into the 4th....
Tundraboy
September 16, 2018 at 08:08 pm
And perfect opportunity to put it out of reach. Bad calls notwithstanding,its all the more crucial to keep pushing bcause shit happens, and hell of a lot more for us it seems. Now its apparent we need even more of a cushion in this crazy League. No lead is safe. D deserved better, what more could you ask of them. At the end they were exhausted. So am I.
Rak43
September 16, 2018 at 04:54 pm
Lmao, when you sack him and pick him off and the refs give it back to them what do you expect. Get a realistic perspective. How many fu***g plays do you expect the defense to make? The refs gave the queens 2 TD's while saving Cousins @$$ several more times giving him plenty opportunities to pad his stats. Kirk Cousins is a good QB when you force him to make a mistake it has to count, he's not gonna keep making them over and over just because the refs bail him out on his previous ones.
4thand10
September 16, 2018 at 04:57 pm
23-14 with 7:35 left....
Oppy
September 16, 2018 at 05:50 pm
I agree. This YOUNG, new defense has made 4 game-winning stands over the course of just two weeks, for all intents and purposes.
There's quite a bit of promise with this defense.
Tundraboy
September 16, 2018 at 08:10 pm
Thats 4 more than I can remember in recent years.
carlos
September 16, 2018 at 08:12 pm
The defense is noticeably faster than the last several years. A lot of young talent. If they can stay healthy we should see huge strides. Gotta believe.
NickPerry
September 17, 2018 at 05:59 am
The Packers will be much, much faster once Josh Jones, Kevin King, and Burks are all on the field.
JerseyAl
September 16, 2018 at 05:59 pm
the "vaunted" Vikings defense gave up over 350 yds. Do they suck too?
GVPacker
September 16, 2018 at 06:01 pm
And they gave up those yards to a neutered A Rodgers playing with a bum knee!
Thegreatreynoldo
September 16, 2018 at 06:34 pm
He had something else besides the knee? I am sorry for the guy.
TKWorldWide
September 16, 2018 at 06:43 pm
(Good one!)
GVPacker
September 16, 2018 at 07:08 pm
Wise Guy LOL!
cpabandit
September 16, 2018 at 08:11 pm
That's what I'm saying. The Packers' defense always makes every opposing QBs look like a future HOFer.
GVPacker
September 16, 2018 at 04:26 pm
This game was Fail Mary 2.0. I'd like to buy that Viking FG Kicker a beer....He's The Man!
Andrew Lloyd Peth
September 16, 2018 at 04:27 pm
The refs can't be beat.
With all due respect to Alexander, NO ONE ON THIS DEFENSE should be considered a good player right now.
Lare
September 16, 2018 at 04:29 pm
That, and the offensive line.
Cubbygold
September 16, 2018 at 05:46 pm
Lol what? The o-line had a great game against one of the best defenses in the league. They were protecting an injured, immobile QB, of course rodgers was going to be pressured a little
TheBigCheeze
September 16, 2018 at 06:02 pm
....they keep telling us they're the best....but they're NOT!!!
holmesmd
September 16, 2018 at 06:21 pm
Good, don’t watch next time. If you whine hear no one cares.
GVPacker
September 16, 2018 at 07:34 pm
Doc Holmes How long do you think it will take A Rod's knee to get back to normal?
holmesmd
September 17, 2018 at 07:43 am
A deep bone bruise may take 6-8 weeks to totally heal. It’s really dependent on each individual’s treatment, physiology, and their tolerance to pain. Rodgers takes very good care of himself so I’m optimistic that he will heal towards the shorter end of the curve:)
J0hn Denver's Gavel
September 16, 2018 at 07:40 pm
Gilbert, Brice, Alexander, King, Ha Ha and Jackson looked pretty good to me today.
Samson
September 16, 2018 at 04:27 pm
"Packers had to overcome the refs". --- Please don't start blaming the refs again. --- Place the blame where it belongs. ---- MM hasn't a clue in a closely matched game, as usual.
I wasted 3 hours and 40 minutes watching mediocre football on a beautiful September Day.
PackerAaron
September 16, 2018 at 04:38 pm
You mean like when I literally wrote:
" the Packers had to overcome the refs AND THEIR COACH"?
Samson
September 16, 2018 at 04:41 pm
You're correct --- " and their coach". -- However, if MM had a clue in games like this, the refs (good or bad) would have zero affect on the outcome.
Oppy
September 16, 2018 at 05:55 pm
Wait.. Didn't you just recently state during one of your video chats something to the effect of " I see people blaming Rodgers for play calling, I see people blaming MM for play calling.. People, it's always both Rodgers and McCarthy. It's ALWAYS both"?
carlos
September 16, 2018 at 08:15 pm
We have to remember one thing. The Vikings didn’t win.
holmesmd
September 16, 2018 at 06:21 pm
Bye dude
Spock
September 16, 2018 at 07:49 pm
Samson, I'd like to "feel your pain" because with F**&&&ng Fox I didn't even get to SEE the game, just listen to it on Sirius. I hate Fox here in Arizona.
mrtundra
September 17, 2018 at 10:14 am
MM didn't throw the flag on Matthews' legal hit on Cousins. MM didn't throw the flag on Lane Taylor, negating the Graham TD. MM had some iffy play calling, but when the refs are the problem, they should be called out. Bad officiating makes the game looked rigged.
Lare
September 16, 2018 at 04:28 pm
Pretty tough to watch NFL football games when the refs decide they're going to dictate the outcome of the games.
Samson
September 16, 2018 at 04:31 pm
Again, the refs are at fault. --- Give it a break.
Rak43
September 16, 2018 at 05:08 pm
Are you so clueless as to think the refs can't control a game? What is your reasoning on the refs having no effect? If the refs have no effect they're not needed actually. In case you didn't know it's a ref's job to control the game genius, that's what they're paid to do. They're just supposed to do it impartially without favoritism.
TheBigCheeze
September 16, 2018 at 06:05 pm
...they're not paid to CONTROL the game....they're paid to officiate....
Rak43
September 16, 2018 at 09:03 pm
Another genius, placing the ball for snap, moving the chains, keeping players from fighting, and doing too much trash talking is not officiating, it's controlling the parameters of the game. They control the game and officiate each play in the process. Like I said they're paid to control the game. Btw, let me ask this question, How do you officiate something you have no control over? Think on that one wise guy and let's hear your brilliant response.
LayingTheLawe
September 16, 2018 at 08:28 pm
This time it was Samson. This one is so bad its one of those ones where the league will come out in the middle of next week and say yeah that one shouldn't have been called. Not that it does anything but make it worse, but it will probably happen this week cause this one is bad. An end of game play where he hit as the ball was thrown and didn't drive him to the turf. This one will be talked about by every sports show all week.
The Packers also gave up way too many chances and had to kick 5 field goals and Rodgers just fumbled the ball on the edge of field goal range in overtime. There is plenty to blame the team for, but when you go into its over celebration only to have a penalty flag fly in you just know its going to go bad from there.
lambeau66
September 16, 2018 at 05:16 pm
Amen to that!!!!!
sonomaca
September 16, 2018 at 04:28 pm
OK, Buckner just hit Stafford and drove him into ground, much more so than Matthews. No call.
jeremyjjbrown
September 16, 2018 at 07:26 pm
I wod be a great idea to have a tracker with video clips to show how inconsistent this is.
holmesmd
September 17, 2018 at 08:14 am
Indeed! We could call it: horse s**t tracker. We could make a YouTube channel and upload all the examples. It would probably not be too difficult?
Demon
September 16, 2018 at 04:30 pm
Does anyone think MM is a genius now? I'll.stand by my previous grade and say that on a scale of 1 to 10 I would grade him at a 5. Nothing special, just average.
The playcalling after the C Dix interception was justt plain BAD! Many of you are going to say that Rodgers probably changed the play. I dont believe it. Those were passes all the way.
Lare
September 16, 2018 at 05:27 pm
Regardless who made those play-calling decisions, they were simply bad calls. At that point of the game the Packers needed to run time off the clock and force the Vikings to use their timeouts. Calling pass plays helped the Vikings.
carlos
September 16, 2018 at 08:21 pm
If the plays worked we’d all be singing a different tune. I’m not trying to argue with anyone here- just saying. Football can be so simple, but yet so complicated at the same time. Does that make sense? With the new catch rule Adams near TD catch could’ve went either way. All teams go through their ups and downs. A good example is New Orleans the past two weeks.
Urupackers
September 16, 2018 at 05:23 pm
You are spot on sir!! an average Head Coach.
Bedrock
September 16, 2018 at 06:55 pm
Hindsight doesn’t fix poor execution.
Oppy
September 16, 2018 at 07:03 pm
I don't think MM is a genius, but I don't think there's 16 head coaches who are better than him, either.
JonathanSpader
September 17, 2018 at 12:09 am
Mercedes Lewis has played 7 snaps. 11% usage vs. Kendericks 33%. Why the hell didn't we have him helping our OL against one of the best DL in football? I have 0 faith in MM's playcalling ability.
NickPerry
September 17, 2018 at 06:02 am
OMG don't get me started on Lewis. On just about EVERY decent running play Lewis was on the field yet they put him in for one of every 6 or 7 plays...maybe.
THIS is exactly where Mike McCarthy has no clue how to use his players on the roster.
Tundraboy
September 17, 2018 at 07:23 pm
Exactly. Is there any OL and running game that could use a blocking TE more than us right now? Or is there another team that has more to lose not protecting their quarterback?
I really don't get it with MM, last year Kendricks was buried as the other new guy in favor of RRod , is that what's now happening with Lewis? Is the playbook not installed for him? Waiting for Aaron Jones?
Barnacle
September 17, 2018 at 07:08 am
If Rodgers is changing MM’s good calls, maybe MM should manage his bad calling QB? MM is the problem either way!
Gman1976
September 16, 2018 at 04:35 pm
I feel robbed. Did the NFL make a rule change that I am unaware of? How in the world was that a roughing the passer penalty on Matthews? I have watch the Packers for almost 5 decades and was totally shocked on the call. I bet even the Viking fans knew we were robbed. That ref should be fired. What's happened to the NFL?
jeremyjjbrown
September 16, 2018 at 07:27 pm
Yes, they made a new rule.
Yet, No that should not have been roughing.
Lawyers.
baldski
September 16, 2018 at 07:42 pm
He just does not care if he's fired. He just goes back to his normal 9-5 job.
PackfanNY
September 16, 2018 at 04:35 pm
Worst officiated game in years. Bad calls, horrible calls on both sides but tough to argue that Packers were hurt worse as the Matthews call (if not made) was GAME OVER. I just wasted a Sunday because Refs became the story rather than letting the game play out on the field. We are slowly being officiated into two hand touch.
Lare
September 16, 2018 at 04:43 pm
I signed up for the NFL Sunday Ticket subscription today but I think i'll cancel. If the NFL is going to have officials dictate the outcomes of games what's the sense of watching?
Rak43
September 16, 2018 at 05:16 pm
Lare, I agree with you on this one. I got the Sunday ticket yesterday on my wife's student account for $99.00 and told her to cancel it today right after the CM3 penalty. I'll be watching much more college an local football here in Georgia before tuning into the NFL and it's flag football rules regarding QB's.
carlos
September 16, 2018 at 08:24 pm
That play was a doubled edge sword. Not only a 15 yard penalty, but took points off the board. Also wretched a beautiful Lambeau keep.
SJ EC
September 16, 2018 at 04:35 pm
I honestly wonder if perhaps Aaron had changed the play call to throwing it after the interception. Regardless, I was scratching my head pretty hard when we started throwing it there.
Also, I think the league in general needs to mind its Ps and Qs regarding their officials... I’ve already heard at least one friend state that they’re done watching football after the officiating of this game.
Oppy
September 16, 2018 at 06:47 pm
Let's be honest, your friend is lying to both you and himself.
No one is quitting the NFL because of a shitty call.
Coldworld
September 16, 2018 at 07:56 pm
Normally I would agree, but this scattergun treatment of QB hits isn’t one call. It is turning games into a lottery. That might cause turn off.
In addition, roughing aside, this was horribly officiated. Reminded me of the strike. That was deterring fans.
NickPerry
September 16, 2018 at 04:36 pm
I'm trying to figure out which was worse...
1) The call on Lane Taylor for Holding...
2) The roughing the Passer call on Matthews...
3) McCarthy's play calling after the INT by HHCD....
I'm leaning towards the penalties but then again McCarthy just showed the world once again he will NEVER win a game for the Packers because of his decision making or play calling which I'm having a harder time than normal getting over.
Both teams benefited by one of the WORST called games I've seen in the NFL in a long time. But McCarthy, Christ McCarthy just doesn't seem have a clue when to be aggressive and when to work the clock.
Sigh...I'm SO tired of Mike McCarthy. He's just too much for even Aaron Rodgers to overcome.
Samson
September 16, 2018 at 04:38 pm
MM will drag this team down during season 2018 & then be fired. ... Finally.
flackcatcher
September 16, 2018 at 04:41 pm
DOM CAPERS!!!! (made you look. heh heh heh..............)
Idiot Fan
September 16, 2018 at 04:44 pm
I mentioned this above, but MM went for the win, which is what people on the website *beg* him to do on most weeks. I guarantee that if he had run three times, people here would be killing him for it.
EdsLaces
September 16, 2018 at 05:18 pm
Going for the win woulda been running the ball. Making them use their timeouts. Kicking fg. Then they get the ball with very little time left ...game ova.
Idiot Fan
September 16, 2018 at 05:22 pm
Not according to people here. They routinely call that playing to lose.
Oppy
September 16, 2018 at 05:59 pm
Speaking truth.
Thegreatreynoldo
September 16, 2018 at 07:31 pm
IDK.
1st/10 from MN 13, 2:05 left: run for no gain by Williams then 2-minute warning.
[On first down, GB lined up 8 on the LOS, looks like 3 TEs, 1 WR, 1 RB. MN has 7 in the box and an 8th four yards off the LOS. Hmmm. TV shows 2:05 on the clock. INC pass might not get to the 2-minute warning.]
2nd & 10; 2:00 left: GB has TE as an H-back, Graham standing upright next to Bulaga, and one WR flexed just a few yards away on each side of the formation. 1 RB. MN has 8 in the box, 10 less than 5 yards from the LOS, and all 10 are well within the numbers. Yeah, I don't think running into that makes sense. Instead AR does a designed roll out to the right and fires a pass to Davante in the end zone. Trying a pass gets an upvote from me.
3rd & 10; 1:54 left from the MN 13 yard line: GB is in 11 personnel, with Graham flexed out slightly. MN counters with 6 in the box. MN rushes 4 and drops 7. GB no play action fake, Williams chips and leaks over the middle. He is open but probably isn't going to get a first, absent a good move or two. AR looks only at Davante in ISO against Rhodes, INC. Good coverage, clean pocket. Yeah, that could have been a run or a check down to Williams to make MN burn one of its two remaining timeouts. Clock stops a 1:49 on the incompletion and GB kicks the gimme field goal. Kick off and then MN gets it back with 1:45 and two timeouts.
If GB runs three times, it goes something like this:
1st/10 2:05: Williams for no gain. 2 minute warning
2nd/10: Run then MN TO - down to maybe 1:52.
3rd/10 Run then MN TO - down to maybe 1:45.
If we don't gain a first, FG. KO. MN gets the ball with 1:35 or so left. No timeouts, but enough time.
Just run the play, run or pass, that you think gets GB a first down or points. I don't think 3 runs gets MM off the hook if we don't end up winning. The way things transpired, we did end up with the ball back with 47 seconds and got Crosby in range for a 52 yard FG to win outright. 80 degrees out so distance isn't as much of a deal, but it is still a long way away. Crosby had plenty of distance on both tries. I doubt MM wins no matter what he does if we don't end up winning.
Oppy
September 16, 2018 at 08:57 pm
thats kind of what he was saying.
I'm still waiting for consistency from Packers fans
Tundraboy
September 17, 2018 at 07:31 pm
"Just run the play, run or pass, that you think gets GB a first down or points."
That's what I was thinking we would do. Needed to score but burn up some clock doing so. Get the first down. We were in the driver's seat and then we weren't in the driver's seat.
Personally I'm sick of hearing people justify McCarthy going for it when he had didn't have to go for it at that point.
How many times have we had this discussion. Are there only two options on the table, three bad runs or a couple quick strikes that may or may not work. There's something in the middle we can choose one of these days.
NickPerry
September 16, 2018 at 06:59 pm
I understand what your saying but it's WHEN McCarthy gets aggressive or passive that irritates the hell out of me. Given the situation today the RIGHT thing to do is run the ball or even take 3 knees and USE the clock and make Minnesota USE their TO's. DON'T leave them 1:45 and timeouts!!! I mean WTF!!!
Tundraboy
September 16, 2018 at 07:31 pm
Your right NP. Its knowing when and when not to. We had the lead and the ball. Wierdest 2 minutes ever,seemed to last forever.
Thegreatreynoldo
September 17, 2018 at 03:14 am
Sorry for the length. Oppy, I was trying to agree with Idiot but went back to look at our personnel and what MN did with their defense on each play. Opinions get tossed out there and that's fine, but I didn't want to write that I disagree with your opinion that MM should have run it three times. I wanted to specify why passing made sense to me given our personnel and the defense shown by MN on each play.
Oppy
September 17, 2018 at 07:17 am
TGR, you will find I didn't voice my opinion about what MM should have done at all.
I was simply agreeing with IdiotFan that historically, when McCarthy plays clock control ground game to protect a slim lead (plays the percentages), there is a loud, consistent outcry from a good deal of fans who claim he's giving the game away by not "putting his foot on the opponent's throat", he needs to go for it and stay aggressive in the pass game.
When he gives those fans what they want, they say he made bone-headed calls, everyone knows you keep it on the ground, run clock, and try to safely protect the lead.
Thegreatreynoldo
September 17, 2018 at 09:15 am
Sorry again. I didn't mean your opinion, Oppy, or Idiot's either. I didn't want to write a comment disagreeing with anyone's opinion as a bare comment. I mean, if someone writes player x played well, and I reply no, that player played badly and nothing else, then we have no real progress.
So, on the first play, an INC pass might not have gotten us to the 2-minute warning. Second play with 10 in the box on defense dictated a pass. Third play with just 6 or 7 in the box could have been a run. Overall, I don't blame MM (which I've been known to do).
Oppy
September 17, 2018 at 06:06 pm
You have always been one of the most measured and well-thought out posters on CHTV. I always appreciate you, even if I don't always agree with you.
JonathanSpader
September 17, 2018 at 12:19 am
NP what about the Adams TD it wasn't a TD catch and then the lack of a PI call the next play when he was blatantly held? The list goes on.
NickPerry
September 17, 2018 at 06:07 am
That was unbelievable they didn't call holding on that play. Adams was mugged on the play. BTW...Does anyone EVER want Charles Davis to call another game? The guy NEVER shuts up and most of the time he's talking out of his ass.
Oppy
September 17, 2018 at 06:12 pm
There's only two above average men in the booth left in the NFL IMO.
Al Michaels is one of them. It will be a sad day when he's gone.
The other, and I know I will be in the ultra-minority on this point here, is Troy Aikman.
flackcatcher
September 16, 2018 at 04:38 pm
Yeah(Sigh)...........
Tundraboy
September 16, 2018 at 04:39 pm
I'm numb. I'm sick and tired of having to overcome MM each week and now the refs. The only thing I can do is not waste my money paying the NFL money for a pass that blocks me out anyway. Like I want to rewatch this game later. Luckily my son found a free stream,that had better quality anyway.
sonomaca
September 16, 2018 at 04:40 pm
McCarthy was attempting to surprise by passing when the “normal” play would be run. Can’t really fault him for that.
Demon
September 16, 2018 at 04:57 pm
Yeah I can. An injured QB a Packers D that was completely worn outt. Game is on the line, and he pulls the mcdufus special AGAIN!
Roadking
September 16, 2018 at 04:42 pm
Our defense sucks again thought the d coordinator was going to turn this around. We are lucky we are not 0-2
Lare
September 16, 2018 at 04:51 pm
Agreed, don't see how this defense is any better than last year's.
Idiot Fan
September 16, 2018 at 05:14 pm
I think they're noticeably better, even if they did allow MN to tie it up at the end. The coverage is much better in general. And that was a legit drive by the MN offense at the end. Cousins hit some really tight throws into good coverage (like the Thielen TD). This is not Dom's D where receivers are running wild with nobody by them and the DBs all point at each other after the play. And I think they're only going to get better as the season goes on (barring injuries). My biggest concern is the pass rush though.
Coldworld
September 16, 2018 at 08:00 pm
Again, this only occurred because not one but two game ending plays were wiped out by terrible calls.
Demon
September 16, 2018 at 04:59 pm
Hard to turn it around with a bunch of rookies and no pass rush. Looks like the vikes got the better former Jet.
JonathanSpader
September 17, 2018 at 01:09 am
What was Richardson's big contribution to the game? Wilkerson had some good stops on Cooks. Clark had a sack. Griffen and Hunter were monsters. I didn't see anything from Daniels.
Roadking
September 16, 2018 at 04:42 pm
Our defense sucks again thought the d coordinator was going to turn this around. We are lucky we are not 0-2
Roadking
September 16, 2018 at 04:42 pm
Our defense sucks again thought the d coordinator was going to turn this around. We are lucky we are not 0-2
Justin Morrow
September 16, 2018 at 04:44 pm
I think Capers broke into the booth to call the 4th quarter. Cousins had all day. Gotta show blitz every play & bring it from all angles so Cousins has to throw it out quickly
Idiot Fan
September 16, 2018 at 04:45 pm
I think our pass coverage is really improved since last year, but our lack of pass rush is noticeable. Of course it doesn't help when Mike D lets go of the QB because he's afraid he'll get a penalty.
Justin Morrow
September 16, 2018 at 04:46 pm
We started to fall apart as soon as Kevin King left the game.
jeremyjjbrown
September 16, 2018 at 07:29 pm
I think he thought the ball was gone.
TKWorldWide
September 16, 2018 at 07:11 pm
Yes! That Daniels play was a weird one!
Tundraboy
September 16, 2018 at 07:38 pm
Sure was. I've seen more wierd stuff with the Packers in the past 7 years than in the 40 plus before it. Bad luck charm somewhere.
holmesmd
September 17, 2018 at 08:27 am
Did anyone else enjoy seeing Fackrell deployed when the game was in the line?! LoL. The Vikings were probably laughing! I know I was. Good God....WTH?
Justin Morrow
September 16, 2018 at 04:45 pm
Who is the genius telling Crosby to kickoff short & not threw the back of the end zone?We haven’t been able to cover kickoffs for years. Just give it to them on the 25 yard line to start each & every time.
TKWorldWide
September 16, 2018 at 07:13 pm
(Unable to resist)
“Genius”...”THREW the back of the end zone”...?
Oppy
September 16, 2018 at 07:15 pm
You're only human, after all.
TKWorldWide
September 16, 2018 at 08:03 pm
Of flesh and blood am made.
dobber
September 16, 2018 at 08:37 pm
...and born to make mistakes...
TKWorldWide
September 16, 2018 at 08:46 pm
I have noticed for awhile now that big O, big D, and the TK make quite the trio.
:)
stockholder
September 16, 2018 at 04:47 pm
40years of watching football. Just terrible refs! It just wasn't about the CMIII call. The pass interference non- calls, had me just stunned. No way was this game on the up and up. Clock Management was pathetic! The packers didn't let the vikings back in the game. The Refs did! Outrage should come from the whole NFL here!
jh9
September 16, 2018 at 04:47 pm
No question the refs made bad calls today. But how many more times does Mike McCarthy have to be out-coached in important games before Packers management shows him the door like Capers and Thompson.
Demon
September 16, 2018 at 05:10 pm
In only 2games we have already seen his moronic play calling and clock management.
Coldworld
September 16, 2018 at 08:03 pm
To be honest, I don’t know that Zimmer won this. Given second chances, Cousins made a couple of really good throws and Crosby missed the FG at the end of regulation or we would still have won.
4thand10
September 16, 2018 at 04:48 pm
Absolutely nothing from NFL.com about the nature of this game so far...typical
badaxed
September 16, 2018 at 09:53 pm
They cannot respond until they talk to the minister of propaganda.
JohnnyLogan
September 16, 2018 at 04:48 pm
For a while now whenever there's a good play everyone holds their breath to see if there's a flag. That's how awful this game has become. It's the flags that determine the game. The PI on Graham was a bad call but I can live with that much more so than Mathews tackle. He hit him a split second after he let go of the ball and there was no physical way to avoid hitting Cousins or fall on him. He never lifted him. He made the tackle we've all been taught to make, wrap up and drive. It may sound to the rest of the league fans like we're whining but the Packers should demand an explanation and should push it to the point of getting fined. It was theft.
Tundraboy
September 16, 2018 at 07:45 pm
Matthews made what used to be textbook play before all the helmet launching hits became the rage. Sure was one play where I wish he ran himself out of the play.
mrtundra
September 17, 2018 at 10:20 am
We shouldn't have to live with those bad calls! The PI on Graham should have been called! Again, poor officiating!
packerfan9507
February 13, 2019 at 01:43 am
Go Pack
TKWorldWide
September 16, 2018 at 08:47 pm
Merited.
Lare
September 16, 2018 at 04:55 pm
Why play the games if you're simply going to let the officials dictate the outcome of every game?
Just ask them who they're going to let win and save 3 hours of our time.
badaxed
September 16, 2018 at 09:36 pm
The fix was in!
egbertsouse
September 16, 2018 at 04:58 pm
Crap officiating is again going to let Waffle House Mike off the hook for game mismanagement and fielding another unreliable defense. Twenty-two points in the 4th? That wasn't the officials, people. Oh, and Mikey....when you get the ball inside of the opponents 20, run the ball and make them use time outs. Don't give it back with 2 minutes and 2 time outs. Not with this Dom-like pass defense.
I bleed green more
September 16, 2018 at 04:59 pm
Refs made horrid calls, only time I felt worse was the playoff game against the Hawks.
Since'61
September 16, 2018 at 05:00 pm
Gut reactions:
The Packers proved that they could beat the Vikings even with Aaron Rodgers on one leg.
My worst fears were realized about the new tackling rules and the officiating. Matthews was guilty of roughing against the Bears but not this time against the Vikings. A terrible call that cost us a win. It only took 2 games for the officials to ruin a win for the Packers.
I thought the Packers played a great game until the 4th quarter and even then they win the game with decent officiating. I hate this era of the NFL but I love the Packers so I keep watching but it is getting tougher every week.
A good learning experience for the young DBs today. Alexander should have been the hero but the officials got in the way.
As for the play calls after the Dix interception the Packers were going for the win to create a 2 possession game. It didn't work out but I don't have a problem with it. The same posters who are complaining about the pass play calls in this game criticized MM for running the ball and using up the Seahawks timeouts in the 2014 NFCCG. Proving that play calls are viewed by the results of the play or the game. Win the game or score a TD and the play call is brilliant, fail to score or lose the game fire the coach, even though AR calls the plays.
Let's see how the refs screw up next week.
Thanks, Since '61
Rossonero
September 16, 2018 at 05:07 pm
Agreed on the play calling. McCarthy was aggressive and wanted the nail in the coffin. No complaints here, we just didn't finish it.
Guam
September 16, 2018 at 05:57 pm
Agreed that the Mathews call was horrible and cost the Packers the game amid a decent defensive effort. However I can't really blame the refs as they were handed an almost impossible rule by the NFL Rules Committee. How do you distinguish between driving the QB into the ground with the full force of your body versus simply tackling him? This pile of garbage is a League created problem that the refs have to somehow enforce and it won't go away until the rule is changed to something resembling sanity.
Coldworld
September 16, 2018 at 08:06 pm
It wasn’t just that call. Just a really awful standard throughout capped by one or two spotlight howlers.
TKWorldWide
September 16, 2018 at 07:18 pm
Totally on point 61!
Here’s my new one for complaining about play calling:
A coin is about to be flipped.
MM calls “heads”.
The coin turns up “tails”.
50% of GB fans scream, “That moron shoulda called tails!!!”
Since'61
September 16, 2018 at 08:05 pm
TK - they blame MM even though it's AR who changed the call from tails to heads. Thanks, Since '61
Bedrock
September 16, 2018 at 07:36 pm
I have said for years...hindsight doesn’t fix poor execution.
Since'61
September 16, 2018 at 08:01 pm
Exactly Bedrock. Amateurs focus on the play calling, the professionals focus on the execution. Thanks, Since '61
TKWorldWide
September 16, 2018 at 08:07 pm
And I find myself focusing on those funky new anti concussion helmets all those Vikings wear. And some of GB’s guys, too.
Rossonero
September 16, 2018 at 05:04 pm
This game was maddening to watch, but to take a Bill Parcells point of view, "we didn't do enough to win."
Or, like Bill Belichick: "Do your job."
Rodgers said it himself after the game, if you settle for 5 FGs against a team like the Vikings, it's tough to win.
Yes, the call on Clay Matthews was a travesty and an embarrassment.
Yes, Crosby choked.
But how many big plays and 3rd down conversions did we give up? There are bright spots to take away -- hell, we could've lost.
The bottom line is we'll get another shot at these bastards in a few months to make it right. And when that day comes, we MUST score TDs, not FGs. We need Jimmy Graham in situations like this to step up and be the red zone beast we signed him to be.
Lare
September 16, 2018 at 05:34 pm
True, but if the refs decide they're going to dictate the outcome of that game also what difference does out make?
Rossonero
September 16, 2018 at 06:45 pm
Let's make sure the game isn't so close because we stink in the red zone. Let's control what we can control. We control the refs about as much as we control the weather outside.
badaxed
September 16, 2018 at 09:42 pm
Crosby choked? Five attaboys and one oh crap and all people remember is the oh crap. Minus the Viking timeout Crosby would be the frikkin hero.
carlos
September 17, 2018 at 05:49 am
Agree. Can’t blame anything on Crosby.
Bugeater
September 16, 2018 at 05:08 pm
As disappointing as a tie is, the reality is that the Packers are still on charge of their destiny in this early season. If they’re still tied with Minnesota when the meet again, they can break that tie. Plus they were in a position to win with an injured Rodgers and would have won if Zimmer doesn’t make Crosby kick twice. This could have ended up much worse.
stockholder
September 16, 2018 at 05:34 pm
F is for football. Not for F***ing Refs. Let's take off their make-up here. The refs determined the game because the packers have the weakest schedule in the NFL. The NFL is a money machine. It needs TV revenue. So controlling it is their only objective. Not to you or me. Were Hooked! WE will watch them because we Love are team. Are players still go on and play for other teams now. When they make bad calls it hits us in the gut. This Tie stopped the heart break. The Brain Farts are only that. It was entertaining! The sky is still blue. It's not a government cover-up. The packers need to play for KEEPS. That didn't happen today.
Tundraboy
September 16, 2018 at 05:08 pm
Btw. I think we could very well set a new record for number of comments posted, today alone. Foot on the gas!
TarynsEyes
September 16, 2018 at 05:09 pm
Let me see....is it mugs of beer or mugs of tears....I'll have to go tears.
LayingTheLawe
September 16, 2018 at 08:42 pm
Thats cause these people are fans of the Packers. Since you are not - you would not understand. You have no passion or interest in this team, you don't get excited when they pull out a great win like last week, and you don't get upset when they get what happened this week. Why you watch sports I have no idea at all. You obviously get no enjoyment or feeling from it at all, you only hope the Packers fail so you can come in and snipe. You will predictably come back and say it is just truth telling but you are way past that now and obviously just come in to crow and spout your narrative over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. We can all write your posts for you by now, we know what you are going to say. So spare us all.
Spock
September 16, 2018 at 09:24 pm
Before the game:
My comment:
"I sure hope I don't have to play Hank Williams Sr...."
Sorry, Taryn, I don't believe you. IMHO you'd LOVE to play the "I was right" card if Rodgers is injured in this game. The Packers doctors (notoriously conservative with player injuries) were willing to let him play in the second half last week and have cleared him to play. You don't sit your best, most important, player against a division foe to "save him" for lessor opponents. This is football and why the games are played. Rodgers is the game changer needed by the Packers for this game and everyone knows it, including him. I'm personally disgusted by all the chicken little's in the comments section today. Rodgers knows the risks and he wants to play. He's been cleared to play. That's good enough for me. When Rodgers plays this game we win. I believe that wholeheartedly. You can laugh at me for being a "homer" all you want but at least I'm not a "negative Nelly" like you. Here's my "homer" finishing comment line on this (gasp) Packers site:
GO, PACK, GO!!!!
Your comment:
It never ceases to amaze me how homers and Libtards twist the words and meaning, of what another says that they don't agree with.
There has been no mention of what the injury is or the extent of it. One could almost believe he wasn't really hurt and wanted an Academy Award.
My point was and is still, if Rodgers is hurt and benching for a week increases the chances for a more successful season..sit him. If he is hurt to a very small degree and the medical says he can play, great. But the decision should not be based on it being a division game in week 2 because even if a loss, there are still 14 games that can be won and the Vikings cannot match that since we play again.
After the game. My reply:
Libtards? Wow, that's so grown up. MY POINT was that he was cleared to play and therefore should be allowed to play. If you don't understand the importance of division games vs. other games I'm shocked. Nowhere in my comment did I say that the decision by the medical staff should be based on it being a division game; that is YOU twisting MY meaning. My point was that Rodgers was cleared to play and it was an important game and he knew it. It must kill you that he was the reason for the Packers not losing that game. Look in the mirror before you accuse someone of twisting someone else's meaning.
My comment right now:
I wouldn't feel especially bad if you "drowned in your tears", (Not really, even for someone as pervasively nasty as you are on this site), and I feel bad about that because I actually have empathy for people. I have a hard time believing you have empathy for anyone. I really wish you'd prove me wrong, even just once. Just what makes you feel you can call yourself a Packers fan? I sure don't see it.
badaxed
September 16, 2018 at 10:01 pm
Spock "live long and prosper"
Spock
September 16, 2018 at 10:14 pm
Thanks, badaxed. "Back at you." as the humans say.
PatrickGB
September 16, 2018 at 05:13 pm
Not that anyone cares, but watching the game was entertaining. At least I can say that. And we really did not lose.
Spock
September 16, 2018 at 08:02 pm
Patrick, I'll have to take your word for that because the twice be-damned Fox channel didn't show the game here and I have no other way to see it as I am essentially home bound. I listened on Sirius and found that entertaining. Sigh.
Wenis
September 16, 2018 at 05:19 pm
Mashed Potatoe Mikes strikes again with his piss poor clock management.
Then again you can't expect to with after giving up 22 points in the 4th quarter.
Bedrock
September 16, 2018 at 07:40 pm
What’s your W/L record as coach? Regardless of what you tell me, acknowledge my right to tell you how wrong you are, even though you are the expert on being yourself.
4thand1
September 16, 2018 at 05:19 pm
Kissing your sister, oops politically correct kissing your brother.
Andrew Lloyd Peth
September 16, 2018 at 05:33 pm
Remember, McCarthy's offseason consisted of scapegoating both coordinators to keep his job, then being elevated to equal footing with his GM, to whom he no longer reports. So he actually gained power for his...ummm... performance.
Sweet gig, if you can swing it.
And now, we've added even more talent to a defense that covers absolutely no one, while tackling worse than a co-ed flag football team.
Life is great, Mikey. Murph's got your back. You da man!
Lare
September 16, 2018 at 05:39 pm
Defense is bad, but offensive line play is even worse. This team is going nowhere this season.
Coldworld
September 16, 2018 at 08:08 pm
Just not true. OL played well.
Spock
September 16, 2018 at 08:07 pm
ALP, My gut reaction is you didn't even want Rodgers to play. How would that have gone? Don't call out the coaches when your move would have had about an 99% chance of losing the game. Life is great on your couch, isn't it? You da man!
Andrew Lloyd Peth
September 17, 2018 at 12:07 am
I also said:
1. If Rodgers played, he would play well.
2. It would be unlikely he would sustain further injury.
3. That it still wasn't worth it to me, because he is the franchise and it's one game. I was fully prepared to sacrifice one game so that our franchise could heal up an extra week before dodging blitzers.
Thus, there is absolutely nothing wrong with my comments whatsoever. Rodgers performed as I expected, he wasn't further injured--just as I expected--but I simply didn't want the risk.
Thanks for reminding me of my own accuracy, Spock. I've never claimed to be "da man," but I have no regrets whatsoever regarding my comments on Rodgers playing.
I can't help but notice, however, that you completely avoided my description of McCarthy's offseason. I can only assume it's because my statements were perfectly accurate, and you therefore had no direct response--hence your misdirection to an unrelated point.
You know, maybe you should change your name from "Spock." Doesn't suit you.
Oppy
September 17, 2018 at 12:37 am
Do you need a gardener? Looks like you have whole lotta hedges.
lol. Loosen up, who cares.
Andrew Lloyd Peth
September 17, 2018 at 07:56 am
Not hedges. Just honestly. That's what I honestly felt, so that's what I honestly said.
Besides, I feel plenty loose. I just took a shot at McCarthy, and someone decided to insert an unrelated battle. So I responded--again, with honesty.
Maybe you should stop looking for reasons to think I'm uptight, and try pointing a finger at the guy who actually tried to pick a fight.
Just a thought.
WKUPackFan
September 17, 2018 at 12:54 pm
You also predicted that the Packers would lose by 14 points. Want to deny that?
Last week you were insulting almost every poster about "not thinking about the future". Now you are recycling your conspiracy theme from a couple of months ago about the Packers power structure. Get some new material.
Everyone knew that you and Taryn would be devastated because the Packers did not lose. Honesty would be admitting that.
Andrew Lloyd Peth
September 16, 2018 at 05:23 pm
Repost.
Qoojo
September 16, 2018 at 05:26 pm
My gut reaction. WWE officiating. **** the NFL and football.
Lare
September 16, 2018 at 05:38 pm
Agreed, time to find something else to do on NFL gamedays.
Oppy
September 16, 2018 at 06:08 pm
Neither one of you is going anywhere.
Nice bluster, though.
Oppy
September 16, 2018 at 06:48 pm
We'll see if either of you comment on games the rest of the season. My guess, you'll both be watching football games, and we'll see your comments.
4thand1
September 16, 2018 at 05:27 pm
The hit on Cousins when he threw the TD to Theiland looked way worse than the CM hit. He got hit low when he threw it but then the secondary blew it. Brice if he looked for the ball could have knocked it down or caught it. 3 missed FG's by the queens, love it, karma. I hate MN. Pettine has some work to do. The defense did make a crucial stop, but we all saw WTF happened. Sign Reid please.
Bert
September 16, 2018 at 05:28 pm
I'm sure both teams think they should've won. The officiating did stink. MM messed up on the lay calling and managing the clock. The Vikings "special" teams and Treadwell were atrocious but helpful. Forget the kneeling, the NFL is just getting hard to watch.…..
Turophile
September 16, 2018 at 06:06 pm
My gut reactions are reactions to other peoples reactions.
Each person has his own 'blame sheet'.
Don't like the holes in the team, blame TT/Gute.
Don't like McCarthy's time management, blame McCarthy. Don't like his playcalliing, same as above.
Don't like how the Packers offense failed to put the game away late, blame the entire offense.
Don't like the refs, blame the refs.
Don't like the receivers, blame them, or the O line, or Clay Matthews, or Kyler Fackrell, or Davon House.
Don't like the Vikes, then they obviously cheated.
My own favourite is to blame the Lambeau curse.......................what ? You didn't know there was one ? Well it all started after this spaceship landed on Lambeau field in the offseason, and they thought a wandering dog was failing to give them respect, when it peed on one of their landing struts.
This game was a bit of everything, blame could go in many directions, but let us not lose sight of the fact, the FACT, that this game was not a loss, it was a draw, where two very talented teams punched each other to an exhausted standstill.
Spock
September 16, 2018 at 08:14 pm
Turophile, Thank you for pointing out that this was NOT a loss despite all the "gut reactions" in the comment section. Of course, I haven't actually SEEN the game so maybe I'll be one of those Mad Hatters when I do, lol.
LayingTheLawe
September 16, 2018 at 08:50 pm
On Cheeseheadtv.com, Mike McCarthy is to blame for every Packer loss and has no credit for any win - they are all due to Rodgers. Thats how it works for him here. Over 130 times they have won in spite of McCarthy being there, pretty amazing when you think about it.
I liked going for the win and not to just run two no gain runs and kick the field goal like they normally do.
Mojo
September 16, 2018 at 05:30 pm
I just heard the officials explanation of the CM3 penalty.
Supposedly he ruled he lifted Cousins up and then slammed him down.
One of the worst calls in memory steals a victory.
Another pet-peeve was the Lane Taylor call. You dominate your opponent he falls down and they call a hold. The D-guy is actually rewarded for sucking.
It's impossible to take this #hit seriously. Officiating can and does determine who wins or loses regardless of what some might say. The dick who called the penalty on CM3 should be ashamed.
Andrew Lloyd Peth
September 16, 2018 at 05:39 pm
The League's response to that official should be to calmly suspend him for 4 weeks.
He flat-out invented a penalty to rescue a team. There's no other way to look at it.
Lare
September 16, 2018 at 05:45 pm
It doesn't matter anymore what is right or wrong in the NFL, it only matters who the NFL wants to win.
LayingTheLawe
September 16, 2018 at 08:52 pm
Refs seem to always miss that one nowadays. When the offensive lineman pancakes the guy down and all the refs see is the guy fall so he must have been pulled and throw a flag.
4thand10
September 16, 2018 at 10:42 pm
Tony Corrente..... #doushe
Horse
September 16, 2018 at 05:40 pm
I watched the game with a Broncos fan who's been watching NFL for 30+ years. Re: the penalty on Matthews, she said "If he'd a tackled a dozen eggs like that, the eggs would have been fine."
stockholder
September 16, 2018 at 05:57 pm
My concern is they didn't call the same thing for Rodgers. He's on the ground and they piled on.
GVPacker
September 16, 2018 at 06:04 pm
The Lane Taylor penalty for holding was pure nonsense! Jimmy Graham's 1st Packer TD Reception will have to wait for next week against the Skins!
ElkhornPackFan
September 16, 2018 at 06:10 pm
Couple points I haven’t seen made yet:
1. JK Scott turned in a nice performance. Good to have a punter who can flip the field.
2. I’d like to see DC Pettine coach from the sidelines. Believe he’d bring some intensity and player motivation. I think he’s in the booth not by choice but by MM preference...
Coldworld
September 16, 2018 at 08:42 pm
With you on Scott. The kid is talented.
Coldworld
September 16, 2018 at 08:43 pm
Thought Toomer showed up in the first half too.
holmesmd
September 17, 2018 at 08:53 am
Not true. Petine made the choice to be in the box as he prefers it. It’s more of a calm environment to call the game and you have a better vantage point. He addressed this in one of his pressers earlier in the season.
Oppy
September 16, 2018 at 06:11 pm
This has nothing to do with the outcome of the game, but I was surprised at how many times I watched Vikings' offensive linemen literally turning packers D-lineman around and still cuffing them with no holding calls.
Gianich
September 16, 2018 at 06:16 pm
"Drunk in Duluth. Drunk in Duluth! I sure get drunk in Duluth! Give me some whiskey Ill tell you the truth! I sure get drunk in Duluth!"
Lyric by MN's very own White Iron Band.
Lived by Park Falls WI's transplant Duke Divine.
Oppy
September 16, 2018 at 06:16 pm
Less than 24 hours ago, a good number of people were predicting that the Vikings were clearly the more talented team and too much for the Packers to overcome.
Less than 24 hours ago a good number of people were predicting the Packers lose by 10 or more in regulation.
Today, the Packers went to OT (in a game that rightfully should have ended by a INT in regulation) and came out with a tie, not a loss, but a tie, and people are out of their goddamn minds.
We all wanted that "W" that we should have had. A tie in a game most of you picked as a loss isn't the worst thing in the world. Packers fans are the worst.
MITM
September 16, 2018 at 06:41 pm
The Packers came out with a tie, not a WIN, but a tie.
"Packers fans are the worst" Spend alot of time on forums or in the comments on fan websites of any of the other 31 NFL teams do ya? Thats the only way you'd know for sure then.
The Packers tie was actually a loss, only it was a loss to the 2018 version of what we call NFL "football" today, not the Vikings.
Newsflash Oppy, fans complain no matter what color they wear - if you have a problem with that then dont go looking for a reason to bash fans in the first place. You knew what you were in for, and you arent any better of a fan than anyone else no matter what you think right now from where youre standing.
This game was an ABORTION of something resembling american football. And the Packers were involved in it. At home. Versus the team that ruined our season last year. Kudos to you for taking this tie better than everyone else. Theres the pat on the back you were looking for. If you wanna turn around and pat this team on the back for "not losing" thats fine too - but i guess i just prefer the "worst" fans that accept wins and nothing else.
Oppy
September 16, 2018 at 06:54 pm
If you're one of the people I was talking about who was predicting week two to finish out with the Vikings enjoying a game-and-a-half lead in the NFC north... and today, you're super pissed off that the Packers and the Vikings are tied for the NFC north... You're a moron. The End.
Coldworld
September 16, 2018 at 08:52 pm
Point about a tie not being a loss is a good one, but the fact is, what I saw was a game taken away by officiating.
In the narrow context, that feels like a loss even though one point is better than none. In the general field of concern though, I see the current QB hit rule as being inherently subjective and to be changing games. This devalues the sport as a whole.
On top of that, what I saw was a procession of poor officiating—not just against us—but ultimately taking away more than single plays. The officials need to be held to a higher standard and the current QB hit rules need urgent attention.
Officiating of the standard seen today is bringing the game into disrepute in my view.
MITM
September 16, 2018 at 11:25 pm
Nah im not actually, never said theyd lose or thought they would. So the whole moron theory is out the window. The comment I responded to by you seemed to have been made from your high horse. The actual worst types of Packers fans in reality are the ones that are just fine tying the team that took out our Quarterback last year.
I dont care that this was the 2nd game of the season, deny it all you want but this should have been a statement game. A revenge game. A game that for the time being, put distance between us and an overhyped purple team that has owned is recently. I expected a win, and all I know is we didnt get one.
Oppy
September 16, 2018 at 11:41 pm
The comment I made was directed at all the Packers fans that came back here to shout, bitch, piss, and whine about the Packers ending a game in a tie...in a game that just yesterday they were claiming the Packers had no chance of winning.
You want to call that my high horse, so be it. Those "fans" are absolute morons- saying they expect to lose, then complaining when something better happens. The entire point of my second post was not that you said/thought/claimed they would lose. It was letting you know if you WEREN'T one of those people, my post didn't apply to you.
Oppy
September 16, 2018 at 11:37 pm
I feel like I posted my message, and then before you read it, someone changed it to intentionally cause confusion and create chaos.. I think there's a name for that type of espionage. What is it called. It escapes me. :)
Rak43
September 16, 2018 at 08:58 pm
Idk Oppy, I just can't find any happiness in someone stealing my 20 million dollar lottery ticket then offering to give me half the winnings if I don't tell on them.
Spock
September 16, 2018 at 09:37 pm
Rak47, Well, at least the other person is paying all the taxes, lol.
Flow49
September 16, 2018 at 06:42 pm
Score TD’s instead of FG’s and where not having this conversation. D needs to play better but the O has to get in the endzone. They only got there once today that will not cut it. 1-0-1 is better than 0-2 and having Kizer lead this team, which is where I thought we would be a week ago at half time. The team has lots of room to improve and I think they will, got to get more pressure.
Also let’s just take 52 off during crunch time seems like he’s scrutinized heavily on those downs rightly or wrongly.
Since'61
September 16, 2018 at 08:10 pm
Actually the offense reached the end zone twice today, but the officials took one off the board with a totally bogus holding call on Lane Taylor.
Thanks, Since '61
Flow49
September 17, 2018 at 12:31 am
That’s fair but twice won’t cut it in most games either
holmesmd
September 17, 2018 at 09:05 am
I don’t think it’s a surprise the we struggled in the red zone against the best defensive unit in the NFL! We also put up 29 points against them with a one legged QB! I thought the defense played very well against a hot QB for 3 quarters. They ran out of gas and had to swim upstream against horrible officiating in the 4th. We should have won but we didn’t lose. I’m ok with that for now. The officiating not withstanding, on to the next game. The Vikings will get their’s later this season.
wildcat1
September 16, 2018 at 06:45 pm
NFL and the refereeing crews had better get their act together and find some damn consistency on roughing the passer I think the rule was to prevent QBs being blatantly being driven to the turf and being used as a landing pad by a frenzied defender!! The one on 52 did not reflect that intent !!!! Then the push down of AR in front of the referee and he waving it off seems sick!!
4thand1
September 16, 2018 at 06:49 pm
After the Ha Ha pick the time to pass was on 1st down. It was like a few seconds before the 2 minute warning and they ran and the clock stopped. Then 2 passes which took no time off of the clock and MN saved their time outs. After the 2 minute warning everything went wrong that could go wrong. Adams couldn't hold on,had it for a second. After that the CM bs call. The next play, ball pops up on a screen right to Wilkerson and he dropped it like it had Herpes. Wilkerson hasn't shown much in 2 games. But we're 1-0-1, could be 2-0 or could be 0-2 god forbid. AR has now played 6 quarters on a bad knee and came away as healthy as he could today.
TheBigCheeze
September 16, 2018 at 06:54 pm
someone needs to get a petition going on change.com to get these new rules thrown out.....SERIOUSLY!!!!!!
4thand1
September 16, 2018 at 06:53 pm
The new rule that they say CM's did is called burping. They say he picked him up and slammed him to the turf, BS. They should call the new rule puking, I sure felt like puking.
LeotisHarris
September 17, 2018 at 08:27 am
I heard that as well. I guess Clay was expected to somehow defy the laws of physics and stop all forward momentum even while engaged with the QB. Horrible, and indefensible call that cost us a win.
Denise Chanterelle
September 16, 2018 at 06:56 pm
Tough tie, but at least not saying, tough loss, regardless of the shenanigans in the 4th quarter. I'm concerned about King being so injury-prone, unable to finish a complete game so early in his career. Makes me wonder who did the homework on this player when in college at Washington? There's history there. We paid dearly for his absence after the groin injury today. Cousins went straight at House for a very quick TD. I hope King's injury isn't serious and he's back in next Sunday. Thank you.
baldski
September 16, 2018 at 07:01 pm
I've said this for 20 years! HIRE FULL TIME REFS!!
What the NFL can't afford it? Cut Goodell's pay.
Does baseball keep shitty refs? No. They know if they keep making bad calls they will be fired. In the NFL, the refs know if they get fired they just go back to their regular 9-5 job. They do not care.
Bert
September 16, 2018 at 07:13 pm
I'm not sure if it's as much "shitty refs" as it is confusing rules that require so much subjective interpretation by the "shitty refs". Maybe a combination of both?
Doug_In_Sandpoint
September 16, 2018 at 08:28 pm
I’ll do everything possible to keep it sh
wildcat1
September 16, 2018 at 07:04 pm
Hey , can t some of you shorten your comments!! For goodness sake they are comments not paperbacks!! Seriously!!
TKWorldWide
September 16, 2018 at 07:26 pm
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4thand1
September 16, 2018 at 07:38 pm
,
4thand10
September 16, 2018 at 08:49 pm
?!?....?
Spock
September 16, 2018 at 09:42 pm
I was just going to post a period, but then I remembered that, somewhere out there, there was probably a woman wondering why she was missing a period and I didn't want to be the one responsible. :)
Oppy
September 16, 2018 at 10:54 pm
GTFOH
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