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Gut Reactions: Packers 22 Bills: 0

  • The offense is still hard to watch
  • Geronimo had the game Cobb had last week
  • Nice to see Pettine overwhelm a young quarterback
  • That interception by Clinton-Dix was a hell of a play. 
  • I'm genuienly happy for Kyler Fackrell. 
  • Hope Jaire isn't banged up long term.
  • Byron Bell was surprisingly effective against a very good defensive front.
  • Rodgers need to take every play clock down to zero will be the death of me. 
  • I remember when 3rd and long wasn't an obstacle because the Packers had Aaron Rodgers. Now, this team runs more give-up plays on 3rd and long than anyone else in the league. 
  • Can they play the Bills every week?
  • Aaron Jones was criminally underused again. 
  • That said, nothing is going to change unless one of the three running backs get hurt. 
  • This team is shockingly devoid of an identity at the moment. 
  • Nice to see Perry and Matthews meet at the quarterback. 
  • Also, great to see Morrison learn from the conversation around the league and roll off the QB as he hits Allen early in the game. Avoided a penalty by doing so. 
  • Why you're running Ty Montgomery into a brick wall while trying to run clock when Jamaal Willims is sitting on the bench is beyond me. 
  • On to Detroit. 
  • Go Pack. 
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Nick Perry's picture

Well the score was 22-0 ... Opps. Good catch Mr. Nagler

Aaron Jones NEEDS to play more snaps...Hot Hand McCarthy...You said it.

Nice play by defense. I don't care if it's Buffalo, a shut-out is almost impossible nowadays in the NFL.

We knew defense would take time but I love Jackson and Alexander! All in all awesome job

More MVS... I'll bet Rodgers can't overthrow him.

The Vikings are in LAST PLACE!!!! LMAO!!

Maia Maia's picture

Yep. It's hard to shut anyone out, and the Bills made the Vikings pay dearly for turnovers last week.

Coldworld's picture

Why grind Jones down? I don’t get the fury. He is a big game player in his second game with limited preseason work playing in a game that was won by half time.

Monty did some good work catching today. Williams pounds out hard early yards and blocks well. It is a good mix and Williams is the guy to pound it in the 4th in these type of games.

I expect Jones will get more chances earlier as the weeks progress, but I sure as hell like Williams protecting and softening the D up. Love to see some 2 back sets at some point.

I want Jones playing in January, not wasted in dead games in October.

Turophile's picture

Well said, Coldworld

Nick Perry's picture

Well lets hope it starts next week against the worst rush defense in the NFL...The Lions

I'd also say there's no "Dead Game" in the NFL. Matter of fact the "Fail Mary" cost them dearly IIRC.

pooch's picture

Was the Minnesota game won at halftime?Was the Bear game won at halftime??

The TKstinator's picture

“Give-up plays on 3rd and long” is not an official stat.

fthisJack's picture

Lions are in last place.

Nick Perry's picture

Your right...my bad...

Nick Perry's picture

One last thing...Rodgers is off and the play calling is...Well calling it questionable would be a compliment. I just don't understand most of what the hell McCarthy is doing. Rodgers will get better the more he begins to practice. Still don't understand the lack of use of Mercedes Lewis.

Coldworld's picture

Lewis was not great today. Looked like they were giving him more until the drop, when Kendricks appeared more—and seemed to block well.

Jersey Al's picture

What drop by Lewis? he was never thrown to. It was Kendricks with the drop you are thinking of. Dropped a second one, too.

Tundraboy's picture

MM has a Ferrari at QB ,why would he drive a Mercedes?

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Lewis totally blew his guy off the line on a running play early in the game.

Nick Perry's picture

Lewis blows a guy of the line EVERY game so far this season but great point JB.

Chad Lundberg's picture

I too am very happy for Kyler Frackrell for having three sacks today. If nothing else it will be a very confidence boost he's needed. But I also remember Jarius Wynn having three sacks against Chicago in 2011. Who is he you ask? Exactly.

Now having gotten that out of the way the defense looks incredible, even if it was against a Young quarterback. Josh Jackson and Jaire Alexander are truly shutdown corners. Such amazing coverage allowed Mike Pettine to throw tons of blitzes at the Bills. And they seemed to get home rushing just four Defenders as well. Seven sacks and a shut-out is nothing to scoff at. Defense played all 4 quarters today and continues to trend in the right direction.

Coldworld's picture

I am still pinching myself on Fackrell—perhaps his best play wasn’t a sack but the open field take down of Allen.

I’d have to watch the plays again to see if he actually beat his man on any of the sacks before I believe this is not a Wynn moment—good memory by the way.

I am worried about Alexander’s groin. He is a key player already. Josh Jones is clearly not going to unlock his potential till he learns not do commit stupid penalties.

Did anyone else sense that Rodgers wouldn’t throw in the direction of rookie receivers not named Valdez-Scantling? If Cobb and Alison aren’t on the field we have to be willing to target more than a couple of recievers.

dobber's picture

If anything, finding a way to get Fackrell involved and improve the OLB depth is a win if they can keep it going.

Rak47's picture

Fackrell/Gilbert =4 sacks, Mathews/Perry =1 sack. Hell Martinez and Whitehead each had as many sacks as Clay and Nick.

fthisJack's picture

i think Mathews has been playing well this season compared to last. he'd have 3 sacks now if it wasn't for the effing rule and stupid refs.

dobber's picture

I don't care who gets them, as long as players are playing well and SOMEONE is getting them.

Rak47's picture

I guess at least the 2 people who gave me thumbs down enjoy paying 22mil to our starting OLB's this year who are being outperformed by our second team OLB's, lol.

Pauly's picture

Macgomery look good as a receiver, would like to see him play in the slot and that banging his head into a wall trying to run the ball

sardog's picture

I think Tom Silverstein said it best: Fackrell is only 190 sacks short of Reggie White...My hope is he doesn't disappear and learns from today. BTW it's about time he produces for the check he's getting...it's more than GMO.

Skip greenBayless's picture

I have to give credit where credit is due for Fackrell and the credit goes to Ted Thompson for picking this guy up. Wow, looks like the light bulb has just come on. Taryn also was the only other person high on him and she was also right. Just glad he's finally producing. He was all over the field today.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

It was one game. Let's see how he's doing come playoff time. I hope he continues.

Nick Perry's picture

LOL...I'm with TB on this one..Slow down on Frackrell's "Light coming On". The Bills have one of the worst O-Lines in football BUT the Packers still made the plays so kudos to them.

I agree with you though on Frackrell TODAY..He was all over the field today and if I didn't know better he was actually displaying some speed and bend around the edge. WHAT a plus that would be if he starts producing.

This was supposed to be one of Pettines strengths though..Producing sacks from anyone at anytime though right?

dobber's picture

Fackrell was playing more in space, I thought. They were allowing him to move and flow, and it seemed he wasn't taking on OTs 1 on 1 nearly so much. That's what they need to do with him. He's not a great athlete, but he's a good one...and he benefitted from getting the bulk of his snaps against an offense with an overmatched rookie QB that wasn't going to be calling run plays.

Lphill's picture

Mike McCarthy is the ruination of the Packers , he can't call plays and he does not know how to use his players , this game should have been at least 30 to 0 , he makes it hard to watch .

Barnacle's picture

Lphill

Mash Potato Mike is a terrible coach. Luckily with HOF QBs we frequently win in spite of his stupid play calling and misuse of personnel.

Paul Konieczny's picture

22-0 still works.

pooch's picture

Against a crap team,after Detroit not gonna be easy

dobber's picture

Road games are never easy. Detroit's not a good team, but Stafford has better WRs than ARod does, and they'll move the football. Will be a test for the defense. Has a little bit of the feel of the Washington game.

PeteK's picture

I don't get the intense negativity of McCarthy. Perhaps the numerous drops and a few misses by Rodgers had something to do with the poor performance in the second half.

Barnacle's picture

Lphill

It looks like A Rodgers agrees with us. Mashed Potato Mike is detrimental to our offense and clock management. Hit the dislike button again if you insist on keeping your head in the sand?

saltandpeppers's picture

FACK ATTACK!! #trusttheprocess.

Why do people want our 5'9 running back to get more than 11 carries in week 4, in a game that was never in doubt? Sorry, that's just dumb. MM is absolutely handling the RB situation correctly.

stockholder's picture

Real happy with all the RBs this game. Graham and Lewis, are the best combo. Defense won today. McCarthy's game plan was perfect. The Bills still hung around. The problem is beyond 10 yards. These Wrs have a great Yac. But I still feel we lack that homerun threat. We have a short game thats top in the NFL. But as long as the Wrs can't catch longer balls. This team will cave in to a veteran QB with a better offense. Good Day and confidence is High!

packergal's picture

Stockholder,
"McCarthy's game plan was perfect"...are you delusional?
I don't understand why you continue to praise McCarthy for his exceptional coaching and game planning?

Matt Nagy guided Trubisky to Bears 5 TDs today--through exceptionally creative offensive schemes and formations. Watch the highlights--from 4 receivers stacked on right against three defenders to 2 QBs in backfield.

With the best QB in the business, our offense remains anemic and our formations are beyond stale. CMON. Be honest here.

stockholder's picture

I am being honest. The RBs did great! Wasn't that the plan? The TE's were in the mix. Again Graham was targeted and got his first TD. OF course Kendricks just doesn't work for me. But = Monty made the biggest catch since Dorsey Levens. The Wrs were Awesome until they went beyond 10 yards.( down the field. ) I've been after are Wrs for some time. And lets not forget Cobb was out. If you would read the pre-game scouting. MM followed it. The defense had to win today and did. Sorry but I would take the bears Wrs over the packers. Now you be honest: Drop Adams beyond 10 yards !!! /// is not an elite Wr yet, //// ( DOWN over the middle ). Allison 4.7 speed and is not clutch over 10 yds. . Cobb - Hurt. The bears spent money. They don't have it wrapped up in a aging QB that has been better. And it seems after Training camp is over with. The youngsters with the speed are sitting the bench. WHY? IF you want the bears offense turn the horses loose. MM played to the strength of his offense today. Clock Control. IT was perfect! But until they get the speedsters on track with A-Rod. Your going to go after MMs mistakes.

4thand10's picture

Short memory....MVS caught a bomb today. It wasn’t a TD, but he beat his guy deep. Allison had some drops, but he also had some huge catches. Kendrick’s did awesome in the H back role today, actually caught the ball for a conversion. Williams has some short yardage no gains, 1-3yards etc.., but he also gains 10, 6, 7 yards until the D focuses to stop him...THATs where his value is. Plus he can block and catch.

Jones is lightning in a bottle though. I wish they could get him plays in screens, RPOs or dump offs cause he is fast. He also made Buffalo bite hard on a play action...it’s been awhile since I’ve seen that .

I don’t know what to think, we played the same team that handed it to Minnesota and on top of that......a Shut out. Been awhile since we’ve seen a shut out from the Packers. People say Rodgers is off.... I can go with that a little bit. But you can’t deny he is starting to move around better...and that should scare teams. The quick release today...first half...when was the last time we seen that? Getting rid of the ball in 2 seconds. Small improvements my friends, small improvements.

4thand10's picture

Oh, and Pettine shut down all that “Bears creativity “ in the second half when they played. Plus he will have a lot more tape before we play em again. McClaski is trying to buy a Super Bowl before she moves to the great beyond. My gawd, can anyone see that? I doubt it will work ( it rarely does) but she’s trying. She would have been better off paying Belichek to come over....he’d get em to an NFC championship with a bunch of scrubs. Praising bears creativity , man C’mon the NFL teams will have that sniffed out by mid season.

stockholder's picture

MiVS 1 for 38. ( The stats Period.) NEEDS TIME>. Adams 10. avg. Allison did have some good ones and some drops. But thats all these guys are cable of at this point. Until that OL does a better job, and can give A-Rod more Time. Stay short, and do the clock management. People bitched about Favre throwing it up for grabs. And he had a better OL. Better WRs. Why would MM let A-Rod be Favre? He can't because A-Rod does not have the WRs either at this point. So if A-Rod has a bitch it's because he's keeping his own tools camouflaged. And these Wrs can't get separation DEEP!. They surly don't have the hands beyond 10 yards either.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Agreed. Kendricks played very well as a blocking H-Back. He has the speed to beat LBs when used as a receiver, but he has a heckuva time catching the ball. I love the Lewis signing but he looks like an in-line TE rather than an H-Back.

In any event, AR received good protection for the most part. Kudos to the OL and Bell in particular (if only because he was my nightmare scenario). It seems clear to me that MM used Kendricks and Williams a lot as protectors. Since AR was sacked only twice and had only 4 QB hits, I find it hard to argue against the usage of Kendricks and Williams.

Nick Perry's picture

Thanks for bringing up Bell. I can't remember a time I heard his name called or saw a horrible breakdown from him yesterday.

dobber's picture

I thought he was at least OK. That's not bad for the RG in this offense this season.

pooch's picture

Play calling sucked again

Maia Maia's picture

I'm hoping Kyler Fackrell and Germaine Whitehead can build off of great games.

Also, it was such a pleasure to have an officiating crew that just let them play the game.

ScaryGary's picture

who are u afraid of as the packers? i thought jacksonville maybe at start of the year. the truth is nobody(the rams/cheifs don't care me) the patriots our r sister team

Jonathan Spader's picture

I'd like to see Kenderocks inactive or cut and see what we have in Tonyan if we need a 3rd TE. More Lewis and Graham.

dobber's picture

Tonyan has played almost half the ST snaps. I think he's been active every week.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Ideally, yes. Can Tonyan block? If he can in-line, can he as an H-Back?

DragonSilk's picture

Packers benefited from a dropped pick six and a fumble that wasn't a fumble. McCarthy said the defense needed to be better that the offense. Good thing they were today

Nick Perry's picture

The defense held the Bills to 2.2 yards per pass play yesterday...2.2!! Obviously that includes the sack yardage but damn..That's impressive no matter who your playing.

RobinsonDavis's picture

Enjoy the win guys and gals!! This is a team that walloped the Queens!!! Nagler - hard to say I don't feel the same. Nice job Aaron!

The sacks originally were coverage sacks IMO, and underscores the turnaround we are seeing from the defensive backfield. Breeland will add more to where we lack depth....press corner. Regardless, the Pack did have more pressure on the QB,and it helped by getting on top of the scoreboard early.

Bakhtiari was great as usual!

Rhythm is so important offensively for this team...has been for a long time. We need to find it.

Geez, does Jaire and Jackson play well when reacting to the ball. Jaire struggles when in press & chase a little, but boy, is he quick.

dobber's picture

Toward the end, the Packers were getting home quickly with the blitz. Allen looked like Hundley toward the end.

Demon's picture

I wwouldnt say that dobber. Hundley is in a class all by himself!

Doug Niemczynski's picture

K. Fack ...Defensive Player of the week?

jplentz's picture

Hope Aaron keeps practicing.....needs the repetitions!

Coldworld's picture

And the rookies need to practice with him—think the near pick 6 was a wrong route by MVS.

PatrickGB's picture

My gut says “Against any good NFL defense we would have lost. No wonder Aaron was angry. Also against any good QB we would not have done as well. There were stupid penalty’s on the defense. MVS is still a work in progress, and there were too many drops even when Aaron was on target and often he was not. Blitz pickup could use some work.” But a shutout was great to see regardless.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Uh-Oh

K.Fack or K. Mack??

K. Mack assists Trevathan interception
OLB Khalil Mack gets to QB Jameis Winston and hits his arm, allowing the pass to be intercepted by ILB Danny Trevathan.

Skip greenBayless's picture

I haven't checked the stats but I am guessing the Kyler Fackrell is the Packers sacks leader thru 4 games with limited snaps. Not bad for a guy most wanted gone.

dobber's picture

Once the Packers went up 6-0 (and I think most of us were afraid that missed PAT would haunt them), I can't think of a time where it felt like the Packers weren't in control of this game.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

K. Mack - Stat tracker - K. Mack completely wrecked the Bucs o-line play after play. The defensive end once again stuffed the stat sheet, compiling four tackles, one sack, one QB hit, one tackle for loss, one pass defended, and a forced fumble. His play was even more impressive than the numbers. Mack discombobulated the entire Bucs offense with unrelenting pressure. The Defensive Player of the Year frontrunner is worth every penny for the NFC North-leading Bears.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Glad the Packers chose not to get K. Mack..he gets way to much press and attention. I like K.Fack better!!

dobber's picture

People who keep beating the Mack drum are about like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgYEuJ5u1K0

Why keep doing that to yourself? Move on.

GVPacker's picture

Good one dobber LOL!

Coldworld's picture

They are a good defense. Maybe against a good offense?

Rak47's picture

Packers came into todays game ranked 23rd overall on defense. After today's game and giving up 145 total yds, they're currently ranked number 9 after lowering their yds given up from 386yds a game to 325. After 4 games the Packers officially have a top 10 defense for anyone interested.

UPDATE: According to NFL website Packers have moved up to 6th in overall defense.

Skip greenBayless's picture

That is huuuuuuuuge!! Thanks for making my day Rak. No. 6 ? Holy smokes!!

Rak47's picture

That is subject to change Dash, based on the remaining games but they have all but locked up a top ten spot on defense after the quarter season mark. Anyone who say's this is Capers 2.0 is not watching very close. A few more stats for you that may make you smile Dash, Overall D 6th, Passing D 7th, Run D 15th, Sacks 4th, Scoring D 11th, Int's 8th.

Skip greenBayless's picture

What I love best about those stats is most were accomplished with Kevin King not even playing. If he can come back and stay healthy along with stars Alexander and Jackson, they'll be damn hard to throw on at the end of the year. Maybe just maybe Kalil Fackrell continues to build off of today's 3 sack game and we suddenly have some added defensive weapons we never were even expecting at the beginning of the season. One can hope but I love the direction this young defense is heading.

ScaryGary's picture

cobb is cobb, i woundnt compare him to geranimo. geranimo is a solid #2 and cobb is good at the slot. cobb is not a #2 receiver this has been proven

CAG123's picture

When was it proven that Cobb wasn’t a number 2 and what has GMO proven that he is? Only thing we know about Cobb is that he isn’t a number 1.

dobber's picture

I'd like to see a breakdown of who played in the slot for the Packers today, but #81 was mostly on the boundary.

EdsLaces's picture

Somewhere Taryn is drunk.....passed out ....with an ear to ear grin....

Tundraboy's picture

Brace yourself she's going to be in rare form this week.

Tarynfor12's picture

I went off the Fackrell wagon last season early.It would take much more than 1 game to have me invest in him again, unlike those who have been doing the on/off with Perry.

A win was obtained today and I'm genuinely happy for it being a true fan of the Packers, but this team still has issues and this win vs Buf shouldn't
be a cork popping party but more reflection on improvements needed. Especially when the Bears were impressive.

fthisJack's picture

glad to see Ms Bummer showed up to put a damper on the party.

Tarynfor12's picture

Have you read any other comments or did you scroll right to mine.
The damper was in place before I got in to comment. Besides, what damper did I actually place?

Rak47's picture

C'mon Taryn! You've been calling this defense Dom Capers 2.0 all season and what do you know? At the Quarter mark they're number 6 overall defense and 11th in scoring defense with the arrow pointing up. You just can't stop with the pessimistic negativity.

Tarynfor12's picture

I never once used the term Dom Capers 2.0 defense in any of my truthful points of view....ever.

dobber's picture

" in any of my truthful points of view....ever."

**Click**

Switches off Taryn forever....

Royalty Free GM's picture

Rak: Dom Capers d# was never 6th or better in the middle of the season?

D# did a good job. But it was just a one game and we need more. We need to see them stand up against very good teams in critical times.

But I definitely like the energy the players are showing to each other after the plays! Offense and D#. This team is becoming a TEAM.

Rak47's picture

It was only one game true, but it was one complete game. This defense has played a half like this in each of the first three games so it's not a fluke. I think they're beginning to come together and had the fortune of going up against a 22 year old rookie this week. I expect them to play well next week as well. Hopefully it will be for a whole game not just a half. Also I can't answer your question on Capers defense without doing more research than I would like right now. I can however tell you since 2011 Capers defenses were consistently bad in the redzone, consistently missed tackles and blew assignments, and almost never got off the field on 3rd down. I see none of these poor habits from Capers defenses in Pettines defense showing up consistently.

Jordan's picture

I don't think the problem was Capers. After they lost Nick Collins in 2nd game of season of 2011, it all went south. An over confident Ted Thompson thought he could fix everything through the draft. He couldn't and he didn't. NFL offensive coordinators were quick to figure out that Hawk was a major liability. Woodson got old and gambled too much trying to break a record. Shields smoked too much pot. And Tramon looked like he was content just collecting a game check with his soft coverage.

Thompson gave Capers the necessary pieces in 2010 to have a Championship defense. But after that, the Packers had too many liabilities with their defensive personnel on the field. The Packers went from a really fast defense in 2010 and got slower every year. Not Capers fault.

Also, McCarthy and Rodgers kept the D on the field way too much with all their 3 and outs, and wore them down. Capers was a scapegoat. I'm pretty sure McCarthy won't get away with trying to scapegoat Pettine.

So far in 2018, Packers are averaging 21.2 ppg on offense after 4 games (including 3 home games).

Tundraboy's picture

Just kidding btw. I'm shocked, but happy Fackrell has risen from the dead.

dobber's picture

Has he ever really had a pulse?

Paul Konieczny's picture

You are an idiot

Booner's picture

This Offensive line is bad except for Baktari ! This is not a championship team on either side of the ball. This should have been a 50 point blowout today at home against a weak team with a rookie QB.

fthisJack's picture

pass blocking was great. run blocking sucks!!! the gains that were made were from pure effort by the backs, especially Jones.

Demon's picture

Totally sgree

Rak47's picture

Did you watch what the Bills did to Cousins last week? The Bills came into the game leading the NFL in QB hits and pressures and the O-line with Bell in at RG stifled them keeping Rodgers upright and healthy but they're not any good? And the Packers had 32carries for 141 yds. You have a rather unique perception of what good is.

The TKstinator's picture

Never let facts get in the way of a good argument. :)

dobber's picture

No transitivity in sports.

GVPacker's picture

Packers D pitches a Shut Out! The Queenie Boys are in Last Place! Hey Kirk Cousins You Like That!

fthisJack's picture

lions are in last.

keeley2's picture

Holy Cow Aaron - such negativity! After 1/4 of the season, it's surely a work in progress. The Jones/Williams/Montgomery rotation should bear fruit in December. The team identity lives and dies with Rodgers - hopefully his health continues to improve and with it, the teams identity. Crosby remains money (even with the missed PAT). Have a beer and R-E-L-A-X.

dobber's picture

The track record of slow starts in recent years for the Packers appears to be holding up again this year. If they can stay healthy enough across the board to get into a rhythm, it should get better.

Still, the defense played well against a QB that they should have been able to exploit. That counts for something. They looked better than last week, and there's no column in the standings for style points.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Dobber with the NFL encouraging TD celebrations the next level of officiating will be a table with 3 judges and score cards judging the football celebrations on a scale of 1-10 those points will be added up and will be called style points. In this league QBs will wear red shirts and can only be given compliments.

GVPacker's picture

A Rod is taking some vicious hits this year, the O Line needs to step up!

Tundraboy's picture

Besides the D's shutout win, two things left me feeling more optimistic today, the Montgomery Pass play and the catch by MVS. The latter especially so. Proves just how much a taller fast deep threat ,one who can catch a long pass in stride, would do for this offense. With just about everyone else besides Adams it's become a 50-50 proposition that they're going to catch and hold on to the long ball. Drops are killing us.

dobber's picture

Agreed. It was good to see the Packers finding those guys downfield.

TheKanataThrilla's picture

That MVS pass was something I was hoping for for years with Janis and Davis. Those guys may have similar speed, but not the hands. Should be interesting if we can continue to run that play as the CBs will have a hard time with MVS's speed.

Coldworld's picture

It would be nice to see MVS at full speed get one ahead of him to catch behind the D. I still think Rodgers is tentative with him and reluctant to throw at all at the other rookies.. That was more of a timed route to MVS and the near pick looked like MVS and Rodgers were not playing for the same route.

Rodgers needs to practice with the rookies if Cobb or Alison may miss games. Hopefully this week he will get more opportunity.

dobber's picture

"That MVS pass was something I was hoping for for years with Janis and Davis."

I still see the Janis running down the sideline last season (can't remember which game), has beaten his CB soundly, perfect pass drops out of the sky and clanks off his facemask. Ugh.

stockholder's picture

MVS. is still to raw. A-Rod was lucky not to have an INT on a out. The rookies can't run the routes yet. Their tipping the route. But to spread the field, run them deep. Javon Walker did it. MVS, Moore and st Brown can too. But thats not happening because A-rod wants to throw short. Age is bringing fear. So we get after MM because he's sitting them. I JUST DON'T SEE THE EFFORT, IN TRYING TO MAKE THE ROOKIES BETTER.

Bure9620's picture

Where the hell did that Kyler Fackrell come from?? As someone who has dogged him alot, I am genuinely happy for him, he played well.

PatrickGB's picture

And I am happey for him too! Me thinks that Pettine knows how to use players who may not be very good otherwise.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Pettine didn't use him differently than normal from what I could see. It looked like the light bulb went on and he finally put a good game together. My hope is that this is the start of his growth and he gets better from here. My fear is that this game is an anomaly and we don't see another game like this from him. Like Josh Jones against the Bengals last year.

Bure9620's picture

Likely an anomoly

The TKstinator's picture

Here’s some anomaly:
Packers pick passes perfectly while pitching putrid passers in the pond.

dobber's picture

The game gets easier when the opposing QB is out of sorts, the offense is tired and you don't have to play the run.

IshpemingPackAttack's picture

Thank you defense!! Our offense still looked off. Aaron was off some too. He could have had another three interceptions. I hope that Cobb and Allison are not out long.

cpabandit's picture

How did the Packers lose to the 'skins (in a whining voice)? How did they let the Queens back into the game?
No, still have not gotten over those two games.

Lare's picture

The poor/biased officiating played a big part in those final outcomes.

Coldworld's picture

Well the Vikings was officiating—seems clear that as the dust settles the sack interception is accepted as something that should have stood. It wasn’t the only terrible call that could have ended the contest.

As for Washington, I have nothing.

TheKanataThrilla's picture

50 years from now there is gonna be a little Fackrell having to listen to Gramps tell them again about his 3 sack game. Happy for the guy .

Lare's picture

Nice to see him have a good game. I'd pretty much written him off based on his previous performances.

A Pickled Packer's picture

I had described kyler Fackrell as Vanilla fudge once, today he was tapioca. Hopefully next week we get creme brulee'.

Rebecca's picture

McCarthy called a draw play, [amazing], and it worked! Gilbert, Whitehead, Jackson, Alexander all had good games.

The D interior line was amazing again. Kenny Clark is going to be a wealthy young man! The defense gave the O good field position often. Matthews and Perry were steady.

Good to see some young speed on this team. Tackling like pros really makes a difference. Being in position was much better on D. The Bills have some good defensive players, and coach. Rebuilding is a rough road. Go Pack!

Lare's picture

Didn't see the game, how did Brice and HHCD look?

fthisJack's picture

HAHA finally made a nice interception and risked his body doing it!!! that's what i expect of him every week......aggressive to the ball. Brice was ok...no big mistakes. Whitehead was very good. i also thought Martinez was sneaky good today stuffing the run and in coverage.

dobber's picture

Martinez would have been my pick for defensive player of the game.

packerbackerjim's picture

Martinez did play well, but had what I call a painful learning experience when he removed his helmet for no apparent reason and drew the hanky .

Tundraboy's picture

Watch the replay. He had good reason. Maybe a bit over the top but just the fire these lbs need to play with.

dobber's picture

Nobody talks about the swing a Buffalo OL took in the middle of that scrum...right in front of the ref.

BoCallahan's picture

Tundra boy,
I watched the replay. At 1st I thought that Martinez received a cheap shot to the chin. Then I saw that the guy was swiping at the ball and inadvertently caught the helmet. Martinez pulled the ball out and the guy was attempting to knock it out of his hands. Martinez reacted and the Packers got the penalty which kept the drive alive. It was a boneheaded reaction that could have cost us points. We have had too many 3rd down penalties. If the the Bill player was punching at Martinez, the League will fine him.

stockholder's picture

ME TOO!

Oppy's picture

CLinton-Dix INT was really nice, but I'm guessing he'll be getting a prettty hefty fine from the NFL for that egregious helmet-to-helmet contact on that play that sent the bills player to the locker room.

Don't know why he wasn't flagged, don't know why it wasn't mentioned on the telecast, don't know why it hasn't been mentioned since.. but that is going to cost HaHa some $$$. Incidental or not, it was massive helmet to helmet and it could be argued it was the first thing to contact the intended receiver.

Coldworld's picture

Looked like a classic collision to me. Shouldn’t be fined for going for the ball and catching it. In that context, the receiver contacted him after the catch. Admittedly QB hung his receiver out to dry.

Oppy's picture

Playing the ball is a condition when assessing PI or illegal contact which are procedure issues, but i don't think it has any bearing on head to head which is player safety.

Skip greenBayless's picture

Exactly Coldworld. Oppy's been drinking again I see.

Oppy's picture

What is your real username again?

Skip greenBayless's picture

jean valjean

Oppy's picture

No posts by Jean Valjean on CHTV. Although your flair is a nice touch.

Oppy's picture

At the very least, defenseless player rule.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I actually don't know for sure, but I doubt it, Oppy. HHCD was not trying to tackle Benjamin, which is the context of those cited rules. HHCD has the right to a path to the ball, and in fact caught the pass. If a player dives for a pass, he is by definition leading with his helmet, but should his head come into incidental contact with another player, I doubt he'd be penalized for leading with his helmet.

I am curious to see if you are correct though.

Oppy's picture

Defenseless player protections don’t specify intent of player, right to ball, or leading (with head), they define areas of a player that can not be struck by a defender while the player is in certain positions or parts of a process. The only thing I see in defenseless player that might save Haha is that the receiver was facinging generally down field, but it looked to me as though he was looking back towards the LOS. We have seen far less contact in far better corcumstances be fined. I agree it will be interesting to watch and see. Look up and read the NFL’s defenseless player rule- there is a easy to find document on the subject direct from the NFL out there.

Oppy's picture

TGR,

Here's the link for you if you are interested.

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/defenseless-player/

stormin's picture

A Packer win and still most of you so called Pack fans are not happy and criticize, what a bunch of spoiled ass hats !

Royalty Free GM's picture

Your team must be happy with 8 wins at the end of the season? We are not happy without playoffs and playoffs success. We demand more because we still have HOF caliber Rodgers and we are aware that our next qbs might very well be “jAllens”... for decades.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

I love the win, but remember it was against a rookie QB. Next week its Matthew Stafford

stockholder's picture

Doug your Right. And the lions could have won today. He has had the packers number. Time for that to change.

dobber's picture

He has the Packers number with #12 not in the lineup. Otherwise, his record against the Packers is pretty lousy.

Oppy's picture

To be fair, Matthew Stafford and the LIons' offense's ability to move the ball and generate points vs. the Packers is completely isolated from the Lions ability to win vs. the Packers.

The prior is a measure of their ability to execute on offense vs. the Packers defense, the other is the measure of which team's offense is more successful vs. the other team's defense.

JQ's picture

These days, it’s mighty tough to shut out ANY team in the NFL. And yes it’s one game, but still a 3 sack effort by Fackrell, is a stellar day’s work no matter the opponent. A tip of my old-school Packer cap for BOTH.

dobber's picture

As long as your old-school Packer cap isn't the blue-yellow-khaki combo that we see in the throwback uniforms. UGH!

Skip greenBayless's picture

I'm so sick of those ugly uniforms. The Packers fans should not be subjected to those uniforms without at least a 50% discount on ticket prices.

dobber's picture

They need to give us at least a couple days notice so I can liquor up before hand and not care.

JQ's picture

Oh no-Green and Gold only on my hat rack! That ‘khaki’ is more like gunny sack brown. ( - : #

Electric Packerland's picture

We are now on pace for an 8-4-4 record. Might be good enough to take the division, Lol. Chicago blowout vs. TB a concern. The first quarter of the season is an extension of the preseason in many ways. I feel like it gets serious starting next Sunday.

Coldworld's picture

If Nagy can keep coming up with this number of new gimmick plays all season I will be impressed. If not, I think the steam will escape at some point.

Lphill's picture

How in the world did the Vikings defense have so much trouble with the Bills last week?

Golden Retriever's picture

In his post-game press conference Rodgers was very critical of the performance by the offense, and seemed to be placing most of the blame on McCarthy’s play calling. Anyone else hear his comments?

Coldworld's picture

I got the impression he was not happy with the execution, his or his teammates on offense in the sense that they did not take advantage of what was available to them.

Golden Retriever's picture

I just read this on Green Bay Press Gazette’s website:

https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/...

stockholder's picture

Yep. A-Rod was hurt last year. Missed Adams and Graham badly. Not to mention a few other drops down field. And now he wants to rule the world. I really believe A-Rod changes to many plays.

Chuck Farley's picture

Ya he sure ain't blaming himself

Bure9620's picture

Rodgers was off, more off than a little, he missed 5 throws he typically hits, overthrew 2 slants, missed read on the pick and a low throw, he was real off. I think he is just as mad at himself as the play calling. I'm not absolving McCarthy but Rodgers passes up alot of underneath quick stuff, and as a result holds the ball too long. Is this a McCarthy play call issue or Rodgers? I would like to see more RB receptions, designed ones, if teams continue to play cover 4. This is where Philbin comes in.

Royalty Free GM's picture

Our WRs are too slow to get open OR can not catch the deep ball. Most of them are both.

AND we didn’t fix this problem. Blame Gute.
We knew this would be a problem and now we are paying for it. Again. Another wasted year for Rodgers.

How often we see our WR open in deep ball AND getting a TD? Not often. Others teams do it (against us).

We all know Rodgers has arm to do it better than anybody, length and accuracy. But opponents DBs have to cover only short and medium distances. They know were are missing a one important dimension in our offense. And they are happy that Packers are so stupid to not fix it, year after year.

Players like Ridley doesn’t come available every year or even decade.... and Gute blew this opportunity, BIG TIME. Packers suffers from it, but Gute will get paid...

Now opponents need only to stop Rodgers, but gladly for the Packers it has been one of the most difficult task in the NFL. HOF with just one Superbowl win.

CJ Bauckham's picture

*Eye roll*

Jersey Al's picture

GM is supposed to solve every problem with one draft. OK, double *eye roll*

stockholder's picture

You were almost right. A-Rod must throw short to get started now. The plays are designed so he can throw with confidence. And help the offense Gel. He has been Gun shy. He has been critisized for holding onto the ball to long. And then you added Ridley. When Ridley makes the Hall of Fame I'll agree with you on that.

flackcatcher's picture

It's a Rodgers thing. Combo of ego and lack of practice. Still, Rodgers off day makes him an elite QB most of the time on game day. The impact of Philbin as OC cannot be understated on McCarthy and Rodgers. I for one am glad he's back.

flackcatcher's picture

Overall, It was nice to watch a football game, and not a whistle fest. Both teams played clean, and the Ref crew did not let the ticky tack fouls get in the way of game flow. This group was very good yesterday. Despite the usual griping from us fans, this was a very well played and clean game by both teams on both sides of the ball. For the Packers, we are seeing a defensive ID form, this group is taking on the ID of its DC, and that's a very good thing. On the offensive side, the Packers are still figuring out what roles and packages their core players will play in. It's a work in progress. I underestimated the amount of talent this team has, but this is a young team in a rebuilding mode. Still, they may be better than I thought they were. We will see. Bring on the Lions.

flackcatcher's picture

Oh, one other thing. The secondary was outstanding yesterday. For an old man, T. Williams was a beast on the boundary. Packers had a lot of faith in the cover skills of their rookie CB. Bills QB being a rookie made no difference, that Bills WR group is flat out fast and good. Packers played a Combo cover2 with man. Both HHCD and Brice were smart in coverage and Whitehead was good in TE cover and RB out the backfield. Do not underestimate how good this group was today, they left few gaps and were responsible for a good number of QB sacks. Overall, an outstanding day by this position group.

Skip greenBayless's picture

Excellent points flackcatcher. I think another thing that is happening with the secondary is they are finally adjusting to playing without Kevin King. Go back to that MN game and the Packers were kicking ass on defense. King went out and it all went to hell in that second half and most of the WA game. Now it looks like they are starting to play like King doesn't even exist and that's great news for when he actually does come back which is anyones guess.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

A Rod has missed a lot of crucial practice time..sitting out practices to try and heal up.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Can we just throw 1 pass to M. Lewis. please. Just 1 pass pretty please with sugur, cream and cherry on top.

Donster's picture

I'm with you Doug. Would like to see Tonyan out there too. Line him up outside like they do Graham.

Donster's picture

Nice to have a win. Being it Buffalo or not. Glad to not see a half dozen holding calls and false starts by the offensive line, and holding or pass interference calls on the DB's at critical times. That will probably change next week.

Very happy with the defensive play. I know it was against a rookie QB, but any confidence boost is welcome.

Fackrell. Wow. Probably the only time we see him play like that the rest of the season though.

Hope Geronimo and Cobb is back next week. If both are out, that is not a good thing. Will really handcuff Rodgers.

Jonathan Spader's picture

If Geronimo and Cobb are out I hope we see a big game by MVS, Moore, or ESB. It took TY and William's getting injured for MM to finally run the ball with Jones. Even if Allison and Cobb are out we still have Adams, Graham, and the RB trio.

4thand1's picture

If a young wr runs the wrong route, AR will not look his way for a long long time.

dobber's picture

I suspect you'll see more 2TE sets and/or they'll motion #88 more.

TXCHEESE's picture

I didn't get to watch the game, but did keep up with it online as much as I could. To me, it seemed like the Packers were in full control and knew it. No sense in going for a blowout and emptying the play book, or running Jones in to the ground.

I think Rodgers was sore because he knew he could put up Madden numbers and McCarthy was wanting to spread the ball more to the secondary players.

stockholder's picture

Reading between the Lines: His new contract might have a bonus on Yards per Game.

Chuck Farley's picture

Had to double check to make sure I didn't write naglers stuff. My only add, Rodgers looks avg at best. He totally missed Graham wide open and passed to a guy covered. He just is not on his game mentally

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