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Gut Reactions: Bears 24 Packers 17

  • Congrats to the Chicago Bears on winning the NFC North. 
  • Aaron Rodgers is getting paid a lot of money to miss wide open guys. 
  • I thought Jason Spriggs held up a hell of a lot better than I expecte dhim to. 
  • Great cacth from Cobb holding on after the big hit. Brutal drop prior to that. Overall, I though he played well. 
  • Same story for Davante, Great catch up the sideline. Wish he could have hauled in the Hail Mary at the end of the half. 
  • The Packers found a player in Lancaster. 
  • I thought Jamaal Williams did good work in a game where he probably wasn't expecting to see a ton of action.
  • Great job by special teams sniffing out that fake punt. 
  • Pity Rodgers and the offense pissed that gift away. 
  • I hate that it took them until being down 10 in the 4th quarter to get to a hurry up offense. Did they seriously think that a traditional approach was the best way to attack this Bears defense? Just asinine. 
  • I can't imagine how frusrating it is for Pettine to scheme up free rushers only to watch them dive at the QB's feet and miss him. 
  • If nothing else, the big positive Packers fans can take away from this game is that Joe Philbin won't be the next head coach. 
  • That Rodgers miss on the deep shot to MVS will haunt me all offseason. 
  • I need a beer. 
  • Go Pack. 
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ollie418's picture

Groundhog Day - Play decent for 3 quarters and then fall apart in 4th! Wake me up when it's over! Oh, it's over now!

GBPDAN1's picture

We were missing what, 14 starters and still only lost by one score on the road against these guys. Bears were basically healthy. We will kick their ass next year.

I say now that we are eliminated from the playoffs, let's start Kizer the last two games to see what we have at backup. If we lose those games, oh well, better draft picks, which is what we need

carlos's picture

Any time I mention the Packers injuries over the years, yes, over the years, I get beat up on here. Why can’t we keep the majority of our players healthy. Is it our draft process? Bad luck? I’m probably wrong, but there is something amiss on this organization. I get injuries are on all teams and part of the game. I think I’m just venting. Ok, beat me up now. What a disappointing season.

carlos's picture

I’m from Michigan and my team reminds me of the Lions. Ugh.

dobber's picture

This team is better than the Lions right now.

jlc1's picture

The Lions are that bad? I guess we will find out in a couple of weeks if you're right Dobber.

carlos's picture

Quality of depth goes hand in hand with injuries also.

The TKstinator's picture

I thought GB’s JayVees did pretty well against the division champs.
On the road, even.

Doug Niemczynski's picture

and?

The TKstinator's picture

And a large order of fries and a chocolate shake.

packerfan9507's picture

Go Pack

ollie418's picture

If I was head coach or front office and if my Defensive Coordinator rushed 3 they would be immediately fired on the spot. Find a ride home!

Pettine stinks too!

CAG123's picture

Goodness irrational fans are worse than haters of the team Pettine did all he could with pretty much crumbs. Let’s not be ridiculous

ollie418's picture

Not ridiculous. 3 man rush costs GB 3 first downs and a TD!

CAG123's picture

Yeah I’m pretty sure constant pressure with other worldly talent like Gilbert and Looney would gotten the job done or did you want him to use CB and safety blitzes the whole game? The guy was playing with practice squad members and some guy I’m sure used to work at UPS.

HankScorpio's picture

Pettine had no preferred DL starters today with Clark, Daniels and Wilkerson out. The outside pass rush is below average (to be charitable). It still took two very short fields in the 4th Q for the Bears to put the game away.

I'm all for going an entirely different direction for a HC next year. And all for letting him do as he pleases with the staff. But I would like to see it work out that Pettine stays right where he is now.

EddieLeeIvory's picture

Yep. All 3 starters on our DL were out.
What else is new?

ollie418's picture

Anyone notice how Williams could not run through the holes before they closed up? Jones would have.

Still, offense is so predictable. Fire Philbin now!

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

Williams prefers to run up the backside of his blockers. ;^)

HankScorpio's picture

That's why Williams is the backup and Jones is the starter. It sucked that Jones got hurt early but this is another case of mis-directed fire. Williams was not the problem today

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

Yep. Backups aren't starters for a reason. And a makeshift OLine doesn't help matters.

Citizen AJ's picture

Neither one is a starter in the NFL !

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Williams does not have the vision Jones has. If he did he would be Adrian Peterson 2.0

PeteK's picture

Nor quickness

Oppy's picture

Tote the rock for 4.6 YPC and there's some ass clown complaining about it. Good lord.

Oppy's picture

I just find it odd that nobody is mentioning that Aaron Jones only chalked up 2 YPC on his eight carries before going down, but for whatever reason, people want to bag on Williams who had a perfectly fine performance.

People don't observe events as they are, they just look for whatever affirms what they already "know".

Lare's picture

This game is kind of a microcosm of the rest of the season- lots of chances but too many mistakes.

Time to reassess the rest of the season, might be best to sit some starters and see what we have as backups.

Let's get a new coaching staff in here and start turning this train wreck around.

HankScorpio's picture

You don't want to go full-on, bench every starter since that turns into being over-matched as a unit on both sides of the ball. That's not a fair way to take a look at anybody.

They already are seeing backups play. Lucas Patrick and Jason Spriggs were the right side of the OL. ESB has moved past MVS. Aaron Jones getting hurt gave snaps to backups.

The DL was all backups. They mixed things up in the back 7 on defense, too.

LeotisHarris's picture

I'm with you, Hank. I think the injury bug has given us a pretty good look at our backups this year, but Lare did use the word microcosm in his assessment so it carries more weight in the like/dislike world.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Injuries alone should give us a nice look at the 2nd stringers and young guys. Not too many more guys I want on to see on offense, but I'd like to get a glance at Donnerson and Looney. I like what I've seen from Lancaster and don't mind Montravius and Tony Brown getting more snaps.

The TKstinator's picture

Let’s suppose a guy was able to use the word ‘macrocosm’ in his comment. Would the ‘likes’ blot out the sun like the arrows in 300?

LeotisHarris's picture

Dunno, TK. Do we have someone with a science background on the Board who could help? Do some ciphering and goes-in-tos on this?

The TKstinator's picture

So far, there are 4!

Johnblood27's picture

I still remember my first macrocosm...

Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

I think ee would have been fine if we had just gotten a bit more out of Fadol Brown.

LeotisHarris's picture

Fadol had a solo tackle, but a lot of people are saying he cuts his own hair. ::shrug::

Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

I knew I liked that guy.

croatpackfan's picture

This season Aaron Rodgers is JAG...

He became addict to the Hail Mary throws... Those kind of throws are the only joy he has in the football game...

It looks like Mike McCarthy was not the main culprit of the season...

That INT was the result of stupid stubborn idea that Jimmy Graham has to get TD...

If I can I would call Aaron Nagler player of the game..

HankScorpio's picture

When things go as badly as they have for the Packers this year, there is usually not a "main" culprit. Failure like this has many reasons. MM was one. He needed to go. And it was a good thing it happened when it did.

It gave them 4 weeks to gather data on other reasons for the failure before the task of correcting as many as possible begins in earnest. 2 down, 2 more to go.

GVPacker's picture

Getting rid of Mike McCarthy was a giant step in the right direction and I'm optimistic about next season. I hope the new head coach will consider offering Mike Pettine the DC job. The only thing that frustrates me is the ridiculous number of injuries this team incurs each season. Is it bad luck or does the strength and conditioning personnel need to be put under a microscope!

Grandfathered's picture

Agreed. It might be time for DR. Mckenzie to retire.

dobber's picture

I hope you said that sarcastically.

LeotisHarris's picture

That's right dobber. It's time for the teeming masses to turn on Ol'Doc McKenzie cuz he done been doin' fancy newfangled medicine on them players. Babying them, too. All their plan-tar-faschism on their feet and whatnot. We knows 'bout all you can do is fix 'em up with a good poultice and soak them feet in real hot water. Hamstrings? Why Coach Lombard called *that* a sore leg and you played, dammit! Didn't need no DR to tell you what hurt.

This so-called DR needs to go. FIRE EVERYONE and replace them with hardworking people from Green Bay who know if they don't do the job (so we can feel like winners and buy new hats and t-shirts) they will be FIRED TOO. I hope Gute will find a DR who will do his doctoring for the love of doctoring, not just get a big paycheck like Fatty McKenzie and say "oh, you have a sore shoulder, you rest." NO. These primadonnas need to have their physical health ruined for life so I can feel better about my sad little world. I am so sick and tired of men in uniforms not winning games when I want them to win. I am fed up with men getting injured playing a violent game. FIRE THE DR!!!!!!!

The TKstinator's picture

Putting the strength and conditioning people under a microscope is CRAZY!!

(They are way too big.)

pooch's picture

They got Grahm for the redzone,should have had Mer. Lewis also in there

Altered Idol's picture

The moment we all knew was coming has finally arrived. The last glimmer of hope for this season has been extinguished. This game was pretty much more of the same as it has been all season. Defense plays pretty well despite being banged up. Offense is just not up to scratch right now. Special teams slightly less awful than usual.

Its taken these past two seasons to see how much we've taken for granted. And its also become evident just how deficient the roster has become because Rodgers has been able to bail us out for years. Hopefully,change is a-coming.

There are reasons to be positive but its going to be a big off-season. Get it right and we could be contending next year. Get it wrong and we'll be mired in mediocrity, as has been the case for the past two seasons.

We've got some good pieces but we do not have a good team. We need to be ruthless, which I think Gute has shown he is willing to be. Last few games will be a chance for some players to show they deserve a shot to be here next season.

Go Pack Go.

Tarynfor12's picture

One word describes this team...
' ROADKILL '

stockholder's picture

That Rodgers miss on the deep shot to MVS will haunt me all offseason.
I need a beer. =. Make it two!

HankScorpio's picture

How about throwing too far inside in the end zone to ESB? Turned 7 into 3. Throwing behind Graham on the pick was another 7 off the board.

I don't think Rodgers is washed up. But he better figure out how to get back to where he was. before next September because he's not going anywhere anytime soon. If he keeps playing like he has today, it won't matter how much they improve themselves this coming off season.

reefkeeper's picture

Are you serious you obviously do not know squat about routes. QB makes the throw before cut is made. Receiver rounded the cut. Learn something before making stupid comments.

HankScorpio's picture

You make excuses for Rodgers very well. His contract says that responsibility is on him, not the day 3 rookies. If he can't make up for them, why is he getting paid so much?

Citizen AJ's picture

You are fed up with No. 12 ? Than freaking trade him and see what happens . You will see a lot of 3-13 ,2-14 seasons ahead . Wise up he has nothing but Adams to throw to and a terrible running game .

HankScorpio's picture

I'm fed up with him playing so far below his standards. The fact is that 7-8-1 (the best result possible) is not all that far off 3-13.

But he can't be traded or cut. Apparently, he can't be criticized either. At least not without some people getting their panties in a wad.

dobber's picture

Agreed. There's SB contenders, playoff teams, and non-playoff teams. We all know where the Packers fall as of today.

Since '61's picture

Hank - Rodgers has played hurt all season. Even the announcers commented on it today. Add in the facts that the OL has been porous all season, a weak ground game, no TE and one legit NFL WR what do you expect. He’s one of the few NFL players on the roster and when he doesn’t play perfectly we lose. End of story. Thanks, Since ‘61

Oppy's picture

The Packers haven't had a weak ground game at all in 2018.

Packers Facts:
Rush Yards per Game: 21st in NFL
Rushing Attempts per Game: 30th in NFL (Three way tie for least in NFL)
Yards per Carry: 2nd in NFL

What we have is either an organization or a QB that refuses to call/execute plays that take advantage of our strengths. in 2018, our strengths included the run game. And no team in the NFL executed fewer run plays.

UNACCEPTABLE.

Yet, here we are, talking about the Packers weak ground game.
Simply not the case.

jlc1's picture

And last year the 3 headed backfield yielded more yards per touch than Le'Veon Bell yielded. So what did MM do when he revamped the offense this year. Go for more home run throws. MM said that is what they were trying to do. ARod might have liked the idea too, but the lousy concept is not on him. So, yes, let's see if the new coach takes advantage of a great QB AND a solid run game.

Oppy's picture

Sorry, not buying the lack of running was on MM.
MM has consistently talked about more rushing attempts for years.

When Rodgers went down last season, magically, rushing attempts went up significantly.

Rodgers has been very specific with his language this season, too- often saying he thinks we need to get the running backs "more involved" or Jones needs to get "more touches", but he consistently has stopped short of saying that the Packers need to "Run the ball" more, or that he needs to "hand off" to the RBs more frequently.

A QB is going to want to pass the ball all the time. When the QB is allowed to change any play at any time, he's probably going to want to pass it more than the coach would like.

reefkeeper's picture

I do not make excuses for anyone but I am smart enough to know how a route is supposed to be ran.

HankScorpio's picture

And the route is supposed to be run closer to the Safety help?

bigGuy's picture

Even Rodgers said it was a fine route and a bad throw. So think someone doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about Another it’s not Rodgers fault fan.

edp1959's picture

Bull shit

LeotisHarris's picture

Good fit

The TKstinator's picture

My pit

Nick Perry's picture

I think Rodgers needs to really take a hard look at his play and maybe what he does in the offseason to get better and re-commit himself to the game. He wasn't great in 2015 and much of 2016. This year he's been very average the entire season. Mew thinks he's listening to all the hype about being the GOAT. Has anyone else noticed NO ONE is saying that anymore?

He needs some help and it's not all on him. He needs another "Go To" WR a TE not in his 30's, and at least a new RG and RT. Maybe a coaching change and MVS, St. Brown, and Kumerow to go with Adams and Aaron Jones will be enough but you can NEVER have to much talent.

The TKstinator's picture

I think these comments often reflect too much talent.

PeteK's picture

Lets hope it's because of nagging injuries and the season being over, but I agree , he did not look sharp today. I'm also getting tired of all the annoying laughing and faces.

Skip greenBayless's picture

Tim Boyle's specialty as a passer is his ability to throw deep balls hitting the receiver in perfect stride. I guarantee you Boyle hits MVS for a td on that play. I would honestly hope Green Bay can get Boyle some real playing time now that we are out of contention. They'll play Kizer first but I hope the two can time share the qb duties and sit Rodgers. No need for Rodgers to be playing the rest of the season.

Since '61's picture

Since Boyle has never taken a snap in an NFL game how can you possibly say what he can or can’t do? I don’t mind playing him at this point but remember the final 2 games will be glorified preseason games for opponents as well.

So whatever happens it really won’t show us much more than a preseason game. But with Keizer or Boyle playing we can probably get enough film for a new edition of NFL Follies. Thanks, Since ‘61

Cwilly's picture

Your the only rational person I’ve read comments from today. Sports writers like naglerand other fans just want to blame Rodgers for it all. He hasn’t been great this year but still better then 75 percent of qbs in the league. If people want him traded he’ll be the one holding a super bowl and laughing at his old franchise. Rodgers collarbone has affected his accuracy and maybe another year to heal could help his arm. Besides that he doesn’t have the talent around him and has a lot of overpaid players that are homegrown talent so got paid a ridiculous amount to play. This franchises lack of risk has caused the demise of this team. Other teams go after it while green bay keeps their draft capital and money every year.

LeotisHarris's picture

I for one don't want to see Aaron holding a super bowl and laughing at his old franchise.

The TKstinator's picture

And I for two.

Citizen AJ's picture

Amen Cwilly exactly ! You'll get a lot of dislikes for what you have said but as we all no the truth hurts and is hard to swallow . The organization is the problem .

Skip greenBayless's picture

Since 61, I happen to have a great skill at predicting qb's. I was one of the few in the world that said Aaron Rodgers would be a hall of famer before taking his first snap in the NFL. I wanted to move on from Favre much earlier to play Rodgers. Now I am saying the same thing with Rodgers as I did with Favre and fortunately I am predicting we have found our future star quarterback in Tim Boyle. I also believe he's headed to Canton but we need to get this guy on the field. He's actually more talented than Aaron Rodgers was as far as pure throwing skills. Mentally nobody beats Rodgers but Boyle is our future and he needs to play next week. I've seen plenty of "follies" watching Rodgers this season.

LeotisHarris's picture

Sweet Baby Jeebus, Dash. How long have you had The Gift? Were you a Seer as a child? I can only imagine being prescient has been both a blessing and a curse for you. You carry a heavy psychic load, my friend.

And, I hate to ask, but have there been times when you've used The Gift in dark ways? Or times you didn't act when you could have altered history? Where were you on 11/22/63 and 9/11/2001? Hmm?

Do you suffer from powerful headaches? Like movies about Gladiators?

The TKstinator's picture

Leotis:
1. I regret I only have one "like" to give.
2. I hope everyone here has lots of prescients to open on the morning of December 25!

jeremyjjbrown's picture

"Do you suffer from powerful headaches?"

Only after drunk posting.

Demon's picture

I call BS

Demon's picture

Somehow he was able to make his judgements about boyle playing against scrubs during mop up duty in a couple preseason games.

The TKstinator's picture

1. Doubters gonna doubt
2. Leg pullers gonna pull legs
3. Piranha pokers gonna poke piranhas
4. Chain yankers gonna yank chains...

I'll stop there.

Skip greenBayless's picture

The "Somehow" is what separates the greats that can see what others like yourself don't see. I see it White Tornado. You should be relieved at what I said instead you and others mock. How does one prove a gift given to them by God? Boyle is the next heir apparent to Rodgers. They should move on him RIGHT NOW and get him going but they won't just like they kept a young Rodgers in check on the bench. Had MM started Rodgers two years earlier they would have made it to the super bowl in 2008. We now have an aging Rodgers who isn't playing worth a damn holding this team HOSTAGE with his contract and arrogance thinking that he's still the greatest. It's Tim Boyle time.

The TKstinator's picture

Total commitment.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

"Did they seriously think that a traditional approach was the best way to attack this Bears defense? Just asinine. "

Apparently. They also thought to abandon the quick passing game that was working great after the fumble recovery and only throw deep with 11 personnel. By the time they went back to quick hits it was too late.

" Joe Philbin won't be the next head coach."
That was obvious to me the offensive series after the fumble. Is it arrogance? Is it stupidity? Either way I don't care. I wanted to give Philbin a chance. He used it.

Next Head Coach please.

Shut them all down. Rodgers, Adams, Bahk, Clarke, Alexander, Martinez all inactive for Games 15-16. It's a second preseason.

HankScorpio's picture

"" Joe Philbin won't be the next head coach."
That was obvious to me the offensive series after the fumble. Is it arrogance? Is it stupidity? Either way I don't care."

Rodgers missed two WIDE OPEN throws on back to back plays. If he hit either of them in stride, both Cobb and MVS waltz into the end zone to give the Packers the lead. That's on the QB, not the play call.

badaxed's picture

Rodgers: Coach killer; prima dona who will pass up short throws (unless he is hurt) for the bomb. this will not stop even with a new bootlicking coach. What we need is a coach that will be the "Head Coach" and reel "Mr Rodgers" in or sit his 100 million dollar rear end on the bench. I say sit him now and give the back ups a chance to play the last two games to see if we need a "New quarterback" in the upcoming draft.

HankScorpio's picture

'Rodgers: Coach killer; prima dona who will pass up short throws (unless he is hurt) for the bomb."

The question at hand is whether Rodgers *should* pass up a WR open by 5 yards behind everyone on the defense. Please make the case that he should.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

I think his Jeff George like throws make the case quite nicely.

Citizen AJ's picture

What's really unbelievable to me is I have actually seen posts in here that say the Packers got rid of the wrong person ! "They should have kept McCarthy and got rid of Rodgers !" . WOW , Ignorance is bliss .

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Rodgers has not been capable of making those throws for most of the season. The HC doesn't see it.

HankScorpio's picture

Maybe the HC does see it. Maybe it is that you don't see something. For example, maybe you don't see that this team is going nowhere if they have to coddle Rodgers with play selection. Maybe what the HC does see is that getting Rodgers back to playing like Rodgers is their only real path toward being a decent team. And he's not all that interested in trying to play scared of what Rodgers cannot do.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I agree, Hank, but I feel that you are being a bit too stark. Yes, MM had to go if only because he couldn't get AR to play like AR. Simple as that. Yes, AR overthrew MVS and arguably missed ESB by throwing it too far inside (I agree that since the safety was in the middle, staying more vertical on that route made sense, but I'd need a good angle to be comfortable in that judgment).

3rd and two at the 25-yard line in the first series, GB went with an empty backfield. I'd seen enough of Philben right then. Sack by Mack on an overload on the left side. The play never had a chance.

Loved the slant to Cobb early. Didn't see another until Cobb dropped the pass on a slant. Then there was a 3rd slant by Cobb later. [All above IIRC.]

HankScorpio's picture

There was another slant to ESB late that Rodgers missed. It would have been wiped out by a hold anyways.

And if I'm giving the impression that I am pimping for Philbin, then I am definitely being too "stark" (kind word choice). I'm not. I just have a hard time jumping on the call on those two deep passes in the 4th. The fact is that any year but 2018, both are TDs with Rodgers making the throws.

Oppy's picture

" Is it arrogance? Is it stupidity?"

Don't know, don't care.

What I don't understand, however, is why you automatically believe that series is an indictment of Joe Philbin's play calling.

We fired MM and everyone was certain that would correct this kind of thing. Well, guess what? It's already on the record that AR still has full autonomy to change any route or change the play call entirely, at the LOS, under Philbin's reign.

So, we saw exactly the same type of macho bullshit we've seen in the past- we see an offense starting to click when the focus is on getting the ball out quickly and executing the offense. Only to watch it revert inexplicably to madly bombing 3 downs and out.

Is it the coaches' play calling? Or is it the QB?

Also on the list of things that firing MM was supposed to cure: Supposedly calling in the plays late to Rodgers, resulting in not being able to snap the ball until there's no play clock left, and the refusal to employ much motion at the LOS to help get WR's freed up at the snap.

Well, Philbin told the press he gets the Play call in as fast as possible to AR so he has time to do what he does out on the field (AKA tamper with everything,). As to the motion, AR has told the media in the past he believes he can read defenses better against a static formation.

But hey, GB has coaching problems. The only coaching problem the Packers need to resolve is putting the clamps on Rodgers and getting him back under control. This organization is right back where it was during the final Sherman-Favre years. QB needs to be reigned in.

Bearmeat's picture

The good news is that MM did just that with Favre, and we got the 07 season out of it. The only big contributor on this team that is old is Rodgers. Bulaga, Graham, Cobb, CM3, Perry... probably all gone next year. Maybe Tramon too.

If Gute and Murphy nail the next coaching hire, the team can turn around quickly.

Oppy's picture

Bearmeat,

I tend to agree, however.... MM did manage to wrestle Favre back under a level of control and accountability not seen since Holmgren kept him on the straight and narrow (on the field, at least). However, I believe that the amount of hard-nosed coaching it required to get Favre under the yoke again is what led to Favre's eventual decision to try the old "I'm retiring for real this time" routine, and eventually to his being traded away.

Keep in mind, Favre was never given full control to simply change plays at will at the LOS, and I don't believe he had nearly as fragile an ego as Rodgers. I definitely believe the Packers need a coach who can get Rodgers back under control- that is, playing his role as the QB, who executes the offense designed, implemented, and called by the HC/OC to the best of his ability. However, after years of being allowed to basically do whatever he wants between the hashes, I am very concerned that any coach who actually demands Rodgers plays within the system and truly holds him accountable will make for a severely disgruntled #12, and an ugly divorce- ala Favre.

HOpefully I'm woefully wrong and everything turns out great. I am not optimistic for the long term outcome of this phase of Packers with Rodgers under center. I am ready to truly rebuild for the next era. I'd prefer to see the next era to be primarily defense-focused with strong ground game and a reliable QB who can move the chains. I think there is still a place for it in today's NFL and after the Favre/Rodgers runs I am flat-out done with living and dying on the arm of a diva QB. The reason why Starr is still the greatest QB in Packers history is he led without ego and was never any bigger than the team mates that surrounded him.

Bearmeat's picture

Yeah. I hope you're not right. But if I had to put odds on what you're stating, I'd say it's 2/5 - almost 50/50 - likely to happen.

ARod needs to have his ego checked at the door. Big time.

Skip greenBayless's picture

Oppy, you and I are literally on the exact same thought process regarding this short term future with Rodgers. I predict the same fate for Rodgers as what happened with Favre. I also agree we need a defensive oriented football coach. The Bears have the exact recipe that I feel we should be doing. They are already there. We are going the opposite direction and people are still looking at building around Rodgers. It's insane. We need to think defense and just get a young healthy motivated hungry under paid qb like Tribuski who's a team oriented qb. A great defense can beat a hall of fame qb and win a division and they can do it very easily. We are now looking up at the Chicago Bears and for many more years if we don't shift our focus off what's best for Aaron Rodgers.

The TKstinator's picture

Love the idea of great defense, strong running game, and efficient QB.

I’m thinking along the lines of a QB similar to Alex Smith or Teddy Bridgewater.

Skip greenBayless's picture

We already have an Alex Smith and Teddy Bridgewater on our team. His name is Aaron Rodgers. We can have a great quarterback without him necessarily having to go to the hall of fame. That's why we are currently losing. We have no elite defense, no special teams, and currently a qb who can't complete a pass or score in the red zone. The Bears have a great defense, great special team, great running game and a young up and coming qb which is why they are division champs. Aaron Rodgers is killing us.

The TKstinator's picture

AS and TB are (were?) known for frequently taking the underneath routes (Smith until his last year in KC, TB being derisively referred to as “Captain Checkdown”) and would typically go a full season with around only 5 int’s.
Pair that with a great defense and strong running game, and I’d be willing to take my chances.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Unless something changed Rodgers only calls the plays in the 2 minute drill. Rodgers said so himself weeks ago. So while Rodgers is certainly part of the problem he didn't put in 11 personnel and send every receiver deep 3 plays in a row when he had a bum groin, had been missing throws, etc, etc. So it's all of the things you mentioned, and assinine playcalls too boot.

Oppy's picture

Nothing has changed in the last 6 or 7 seasons as far as Rodgers' ability to do whatever he wants at the LOS (with exception to a few weeks a few years ago when MM yanked the chain on Rodgers to get his sh*t together).

Rodgers uses language very deliberately and with purpose.
He may not "Call the plays" until the 2 minute drill, but he damn sure changes the plays that were called throughout the game. This is nothing new.

Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers have both, throughout the years, confirmed that AR has the green light to wholesale change any play at the LOS at his discretion. Joe Philbin just went on record and told a reporter nothing has changed and Rodgers still has total control to change a play at the LOS. Jimmy Graham discussed it on a national interview at the beginning of the season. Aaron Rodgers is intentionally phrasing things in a way that is not a lie, but allows people to misinterpret. This has been going on for quite a while.

Bure9620's picture

Those that read me know that I am mostly rational.

It may me time to draft a QB... Yup. You heard me.
You simply cannot miss wide receivers. Rodgers has gone from Hall of famer to.....barely a starter. 3 Big misses to wide open guys today. Draft a QB and have him develop, it also kicks Rodgers in the ass.

HankScorpio's picture

He was outplayed by Mitch Trubisky today. Trubisky was a huge reason the Packers were even in the game.

Skip greenBayless's picture

Rodgers was also outplayed by Josh Rosen of AZ. When a hall of fame qb is getting outplayed by rookies and second year guys, there's a major problem. Very few people are looking at the fact that maybe Aaron Rodgers is officially on the downside and dropping faster than anyone anticipated. We need a young superstar qb who's playing for a pay day not an old aging guy who has already got paid. This to me is the biggest reason we are losing. Rodgers is old and not too motivated. His desire for winning just isn't there anymore.

HankScorpio's picture

"Very few people are looking at the fact that maybe Aaron Rodgers is officially on the downside and dropping faster than anyone anticipated"

That's because there is nothing "official' about it. And even if there was, nothing can be done about it for a minimum of 2 more years due to the cap hit.

Plenty are critical of Rodgers. There is no shortage of recognition that he's not playing well. But the fantasy world of moving on from him is simply that: a fantasy world. So the only path forward for the Packers is to hope this year is an aberration and he returns to being Rodgers next year. Or even as soon as the next 2 weeks.

PeteK's picture

With that said, I would like to see Kizer start a game just to get him some experience with our players, just in case of injury. Rogers isn't going anywhere soon.

CAG123's picture

Well it’s finally over all the playoff and Philbin potentially being the guy are dead now and thank goodness this team has far too much to fix to be worried about a playoff push that’s 0-7 on the road in case anyone lost count. Now they can focus on and evaluate what they do have and what pieces are needed.
2019NFCNDC

Lare's picture

The Packers were never a playoff team this year. Anyone that said so was either a blind homer or a writer trying to get fans to read their article.

It is what it is, not what it was or what it's going to be.

LeotisHarris's picture

"It is what it is, not what it was or what it's going to be."

LOL

dobber's picture

That's really kind of deep...

Doug Niemczynski's picture

Trade Rodgers. ..He is DONE.

reefkeeper's picture

That is right blame the loss on #12. Doesn’t matter he was running for his life the whole game. Been that way all season. Making that comment is just plain stupid.

Nick Perry's picture

Or maybe just maybe Rodgers should just THROW THE DAMN BALL!!!

BTW...I wouldn't be opposed of trading him but it would have to be a Hershel Walker type haul. I posted something below but Jacksonville seems like a team that just might give up a ton of picks for a QB like Rodgers.

pooch's picture

Trade to Oakland,Johnny would love him

dobber's picture

Why do we presume that teams would offer up what the Packers would need for him?

No rebuilding team is going to deal all their rebuilding ammo for an aging QB that they won't have time to build around.

Oppy's picture

The Raider might jump on it.

That'd be a dream scenario, Raiders give the Packers what they got for Khalil to take Rodgers.

We know Gruden wants a different QB, and the owner is an idiot.

Now that they got rid of McKenzie, they may not have a voice of reason inside the building.

Let a guy dream a little.

WinUSA's picture

Packers did for Hadl !!!!!

EddieLeeIvory's picture

Would u trade him for Jalen Ramsey, Leonard 4nette, and their #1 pick?

dobber's picture

Fournette would fit in: he can't stay on the field, either.

HankScorpio's picture

Rodgers wasn't let down by those around him anymore than he is completely washed up. He played poorly today. He left 14-18 points on the field with poor throws in the end zone or passes where the WR was behind every defender. Those were not the only throws he missed. It wasn't because he was under pressure. He just missed those throws.

Citizen AJ's picture

Reef exactly ! Blaming Rodgers for this season is purely moronic !

Coldworld's picture

A year of disfunctional offense has got to Rodgers. Time to play Kizer and let Rodgers wash the detritus of the season from his mind.

Skip greenBayless's picture

Talk to me Doug. Who do we trade with and what compensation do you think we can reasonably expect for Rodgers? I am willing to listen to offers.

HankScorpio's picture

Make sure the conversation on trading Rodgers deals with the $46 mil cap hit before anything else. That's a non-negotiable cap hit for a trade. If you want to cut him outright, that can be split in $11.5 mil in 2019 and $34.5 mil in 2020. Without addressing that, you're just living in fantasy land.

In other words, please drop the nonsense about getting rid of Rodgers. It will not happen. He is their starting QB in 2019. End of story.

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

I'm concerned that Rodgers is in decline, so this off- and pre-season will be critical. I'd suggest that if Rodgers looks this mediocre next season, he may be on the roster, but not necessarily as the starting QB. It all boils down to whether the Packers think they have a better guy.

Rebecca's picture

Yes sir. Amen.

dobber's picture

Don't encourage him.

Rebecca's picture

lol

GVPacker's picture

dobber I believe Dash Riprock is non other than Viking GM Rick Spielman. And he wants the Packers share holders to force Mark Murphy hand and trade Aaron Rodgers out of the NFC North!

Skip greenBayless's picture

No comment.

Demon's picture

How else would you explain someone championing for a UDFA and trading a HOFer?

LeotisHarris's picture

Yep, spill it to Dash, Doug. Or dish to Dash if you prefer. All the trade deets, please.

And after that, can we please get an update on the Sunday night game. Thanks!

The TKstinator's picture

Gotta tap those resources.

Hematite's picture

Who would want him?
He doesn't have it anymore but he's got a lot of money.

Daz's picture

Feel for Pettine. Overall put a good scheme together but too many players cant tackle properly .
OL been generally poor all season - Again , the basic ability to block !! .
Players coming into the NFL surely must have these basic abilities in the fundamentals or shouldn't get drafted
Too many bad drafts over the years & no good FA additions have led to a poor squad.

ollie418's picture

Pettine stinks saw at least 5 - 3 mans rushes. Bears scored the go ahead TD on 3 man rush. Fire him today let him walk home! GOD I hate 3 man rushes.

HankScorpio's picture

It wasn't the lack of pressure that killed them on the go-ahead TD. It was the lack of coverage. Burton was wide open before the rush had a legit chance to get there.

dobber's picture

Every...
team...
does...
it...

PeteK's picture

You must hate the NFL because all teams show the same set up many times in the course of a game. Schemes worked for the most part today. Front line players played with heart today, tackling in backfield was a different story.

Lare's picture

I think there is also a responsibility on the coaches to teach the players what they need to know to be productive. NFL position coaches get paid a lot of money to do one thing. If their players are failing it also means the coaches are failing.

Way past time to move on.

Citizen AJ's picture

Maybe it's time for the organization to concentrate on football instead of real estate !

HankScorpio's picture

I dunno. I'm not sure I think that Murphy shifting his focus to football is a really good thing. I'd rather he put Gute in charge of football operations and go back to concentrating on real estate.

Coldworld's picture

All too often the D is on the field far far too much. Our offense has seldom put consecutive long drives together this season. Pettine has earned his berth for future years.

flackcatcher's picture

Oh yes, A bright creative mind. That his schemes still work with amounted to third team and free agents is a testament to his players 'buy in' and the position coaches ability to work them up to an NFL level. This defensive second half performances were amazing, when he completely change the look of his scheme. His defensive shut down of both the Lions and Rams when both games were almost out of reach were most impressive. Letting Pettine go would be stupid beyond belief.

Nick Perry's picture

Not just the deep shot to MVS but the pass to Cobb the play before. There was a time where Rodgers would put a tad of air under the ball and lead him away from the defense. Clearly that seems lost with many other qualities Rodgers seemed to show weekly just a 2 years ago.

Credit the defense...Down Clark and Daniels and they kept them in the game.

I just don't see "All the Talent" my fellow Packers fans see on this roster. Sure there's a few to be excited about but not many.

The Packers NEED another WR AND a TE next year. Maybe it's MVS or St. Brown but I doubt it, they may need another year.

Gute needs to cut all the dead weight on this roster. It may cost the Packers in dead Cap Space but Perry, Bulaga, and Graham HAVE to go. Not opposed to Cobb and Matthews coming back but for somewhere around $3 to $4 million tops...and that's WITH incentives and bonus to hit that number.

WHILE he's shopping for a WR, TE, OL, and Safety Gute should put some feelers out on Rodgers. Jacksonville comes to mind as a team that might pony up 3 firsts for him. Or maybe two firsts, two 2nds, and a 3rd.

OR.....

Rodgers quits making so many F###ing State Farm Commercials and actually put's in some work this off-season. I'd actually prefer that BUT it seems each year the number of Commercials I se on TV goes up, and his quality of play goes down. This year he wasn't worth close to $30 million except for the 4th quarter of week one.

Skip greenBayless's picture

Calling Hank Scorpio. Attention Hank Scorpio. Nick Perry needs to be told like the rest of us you scolded regarding trading Rodgers. This is his quote below. I must say I am a little disappointed in you for not slapping Nick on the wrist.

"WHILE he's shopping for a WR, TE, OL, and Safety Gute should put some feelers out on Rodgers. Jacksonville comes to mind as a team that might pony up 3 firsts for him. Or maybe two firsts, two 2nds, and a 3rd."

ollie418's picture

Pettine stinks; saw at least 5 - 3 mans rushes. Bears scored the go ahead TD on 3 man rush. Fire him today let him walk home! GOD I hate 3 man rushes.

Skip greenBayless's picture

Ollie, how do you feel about the entire team's overall execution including Philbin?

ollie418's picture

Not good my friend, not good!

Oppy's picture

Wow, you completely missed the alley-ooop on that one. Don't worry, I'll bring it home for you.

Oppy's picture

The correct answer is:

"I'm all for it, Dash."

Skip greenBayless's picture

Yep, I tried Oppy. It was there for the taking. He might not be old enough to remember that. lol

Johnblood27's picture

Ah yes, the ridiculously hilarious John McKay of the hapless Yukaneers.

Rebecca's picture

Yeah. Why bother sending 3? That’s a weak use of the point of attack.

Coldworld's picture

Coverage, unpredictability ... really think this is a false point.

HankScorpio's picture

It is a false point. There are analytics guys all over everything in sports these days. If rushing 3 was as bad as I used to think (and some still do), it would never happen.

dobber's picture

Again:
....Every...
...team...
...does...
...it.

Kaatz99's picture

People on here are ridiculous sometimes. Fire Pettine? Trade Rodgers? Seriously, this team is beleaguered by injuries supplemented with little talent. Regroup and focus on next year.

JimR_in_SoCal's picture

OK, as long as "next year" doesn't start on Groundhog Day.

Skip greenBayless's picture

Regroup? Are you kidding me Kaatz. I think the calls for firing need to be extended out. I would like to see the firing of all medical personal including cart and ambulance drivers. I also want to see all the nutrition staff fired including all the lunch ladies some whom are over 80 years old. Nutrition my ass, MM was almost 300 lbs when he left. What the hell is going on in there? I am sorry but we need an injection of youth and that includes the lunch servers. All these people are contributing indirectly to the constant rash of injuries the past ten plus years. I am sick and damn tired of injuries!! I also am not ruling out the firing of all the janitorial staff. We need a clean sweep at 1265!!

GVPacker's picture

Mike McCarthy is BLOTED he drinks a lot of carbonated water, really he's not that BIG!

splitpea1's picture

Find a coach and players who can implement a short passing game in the off-season. Sustaining drives is what it's all about. This game could have been won. Hopefully AR is just having a bad season and will get himself righted. Poor tackling in the secondary was costly--another recurring theme. There should have been a spy on Trubisky, but the defense probably held up as well as could be expected with so many missing starters.

Hematite's picture

Rodgers hasn't played well since 2014, he should not have been given that contract until his previous contract was up and probably not then.
The Packers are paying him for what he did four years ago.

dobber's picture

"Rodgers hasn't played well since 2014"

You must've slept through the last half of 2016.

EddieLeeIvory's picture

Yeah that fan forgot about him carrying a horrible defense into Atlanta for the NFC Championship game.

Hematite's picture

Okay, he's played well for half a season in the last four years.
Not looking good Dobber.

Skip greenBayless's picture

Agree Hematite. That Rodgers' contract is holding this team hostage for the next several years. Who would have thought a piece of paper can be so powerful. Can't we just bleach bit the contract and say it never existed?

PeteK's picture

He looked good in the season opener .

EddieLeeIvory's picture

Do u credit someone besides Rodgers for getting us to the NFC Championship game just the season before last?

To say Rodgers hasn't played well since 2014 is ignorant. And I'm not defending him. He's been horsecrap this year, with a bad attitude.

HankScorpio's picture

"Find a coach and players who can implement a short passing game in the off-season."

The problem with that theory is that short game concept requires perfection in execution for longer sustained periods. That does not describe the 2018 Packers. This team is not going to go 8-12 plays without a penalty, sack, dropped pass or missed throw that derails the drive very often.

CAG123's picture

Man Eddie Jackson was right there for the taking and they took Vince Biegel who’s not even on the team anymore. TJ Watt was right there staring them in the face and they picked Kevin King who can’t even stay on the field. When you think about the difference these two picks could have made alone it’s actually quite frustrating.

mrj007's picture

Poor drafts caught up with the Packers this year.

Coldworld's picture

Multiple poor drafts and poor retention decisions.

CAG123's picture

And letting guys go I mean look at what Randall is doing in Cleveland or Hyde in Buffalo all Taysum Hill does in New Orleans is make some sort of play rather it’s a blocked punt or big return or something out of the Wild Cat but MM thought Joe Callahan was worthy of a roster spot. I’m starting to think the Packers like making other rosters better smh

stockholder's picture

Keep this in mind. Randall played safety turned Cb. Hyde was being used at safety before he left. Hyde became an All-pro. Randall is doing well. Instead of drafting a safety, Cleveland wanted Randall. ( Cancer or not. ). Both Cleveland and Buffalo did not draft a safety. They went with a veteran. What are the packers missing that other teams are picking up on. The lesson the packers should learn is they had safeties. The mistake would be drafting a safety at #1. It's a veteran position. When you throw in Hayward, or even giving Dix up for a #4 pick. The packers safety position should be filled through Free -Agency, and a later pick to groom. And the topping on the situation in Green Bay is. Butler and Collins became All-pro when they switched.

CAG123's picture

I totally agree that’s why I wish they could swing a trade for Jamal Adams and sign Earl Thomas. Adams going into his 3rd year could hold the spot down for the next 5-8 and Thomas would be an excellent stop gap for 2-3 years while they develop someone behind him.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Rather than focusing on TT's past drafts why don't we talk about Gute's 1st draft? So far Alexander has been awesome, Jackson and Burks suck. WRs have potential. JK Scott has been solid. Lancaster has made some plays.

CAG123's picture

Because that’s irrelevant to what I’m saying that’s why...and if you’re just going to back that up with “Jackson and Burks suck” then what’s the point of what you’re saying? lol

Citizen AJ's picture

The ghost of Ted Thompson lives !

EddieLeeIvory's picture

And there are so many more.
1st & 2nd rounders should build the foundation.

See:
Damarious Randall
Datone Jones
Quinten Rollins
Josh Jones
Mike Neal
Derek Sherrod
Jerel Worthy
Nick Perry
Haha Clintons-Dix

All these from 2011-2017 Draft. None are helping the Packers win anything now.

Thompson was HORRIBLE after 2009 Draft, but somehow kept getting applauded as Rodgers carried the team when he had great receivers & Matthews & Woodson & Collins were stalwarts.

Mojo's picture

The theme on this thread has hit on the primary reason the 2018 season was a bust.

The Packers lack an above average amount of talent throughout their roster. It's the most painful but honest assessment of this team.

Rossonero's picture

While I'm bitter about the defeat and season in general, I am taking heart that we aren't getting blown out each week.

This team isn't as awful as some might think. Do we suck on the road? Of course, yes.

We had no Clark, Daniels, Bulaga, Bell, King or Aaron Jones and Chicago was only missing Kyle Long and Bryce Callahan.

In other words, we can absolutely compete in 2019, but it'll all start and finish with Aaron Rodgers. He MUST play better or all the draft picks and free agents in the world won't matter.

P.s. please keep Mike Pettine.

Packers0808's picture

Should have kept McCarthy because he hired Pettine, so if you want him then you get what McCarthy brought!

Rossonero's picture

Ex bears coach John Fox brought in Vic Fangio. Fox got fired and Fangio stayed. Of course it can work.

flackcatcher's picture

A lot will depend on the health of the returning core players and who will be the next HC. I don't blame Philbin for what is McCarthy's offense. Hard to change or retool so late in the season. Phibin has shown enough to make a case to remove the interim tag and allow him to put his offense in place. But I don't know who will make that call, I expect it will be Gute, but with the management structure so cloudy it could be Murphy, or even the executive committee could pull rank and do it themselves. Still, this team has not folded and fought to the bitter end. That says a great deal not only about the coaches, but more importantly the commitment of the players to this team. Speaks well for the future.

Rossonero's picture

I'd like to wait until the season ends, but do like what I see from Philbin. I agree with your observation that the team isn't quitting either.

PeteK's picture

Agree fully , but glad Bell was not in there. LOl

mcduff67's picture

When a "Star" QB can't hit the broadside of a barn, it's time to hope we have a damn great draft???

Hematite's picture

Maybe even a quarterback with the first pick.

CAG123's picture

Don’t be silly this is guaranteed money we’re talking so yo want the Packers to spend what 35 million on QBs and you’re paying one to ride the pine?

dobber's picture

Bingo.
If he's really losing it, then they need to find a way to prop him up. He's not going anywhere anytime soon.

HankScorpio's picture

If he's really losing it, we need to all brace for impact for the next few years. They won't be any better than this one.

I don't think it is realistic that they can get to the point where they can carry him before enough time expires that they don't have to carry him anymore.

dobber's picture

Two words: Eli Manning.

Rebecca's picture

Oh geez. I got dismissed by the in crowd for posting that the Pack was starting to resemble the NY Giants late last season.

HankScorpio's picture

It's Christmas season not Halloween. Don't tell horror stories that will give us nightmares.

Oppy's picture

I respectfully disagree, Dobber.

If he really is losing it, trying to patch up the problem and playing him because he's paid a lot of money doesn't help the team win.

If an honest assessment says there are better options available, you don't let the money dictate who plays and who sits. Sure, you try to mitigate the loss as much as possible, but trotting out a player that is no longer the best option simply because he's expensive and you are stuck with the salary doesn't do anything to help the team win.

Sometimes, you take the hit in the pocketbook (it's spent money), but you have to do what you can to put yourself in the best position to win regardless. If that means benching a guy with a big contract, you do it.

Tallying the payroll on the field doesn't decide the games.

HankScorpio's picture

"Sometimes, you take the hit in the pocketbook (it's spent money), but you have to do what you can to put yourself in the best position to win regardless. If that means benching a guy with a big contract, you do it."

If the Packers had the balls to follow that philosophy in the 2008 NFC CG, Rodgers might have 2 SB appearances (or wins) under his belt. Favre played like hot garbage in that game, a few short weeks after pissing and moaning about playing in bitter cold conditions in Soldier Field...and putting in a performance that was also hot garbage.

But while that sounds good in theory and many pay that notion lip service, it is rarely put in to practice. At least when it comes to benching a HoF QB. If those guys are on the roster, they play.

Oppy's picture

PR is always in the equation, unfortunately.

Of course, the Packers did trade Favre, which was really bold and ultimately, difficult. But it proved to be the right move.

Packers0808's picture

Rodgers suck is there is to it! He holds onto the ball so long it could hatch or he is expecting it too! Start Kizer next game and see what he has got, at this point it doesn't matter anymore. The Packers are playing about as good as Trump is playing president, down right awful! I saw the 80s and 90s Packers, these look very similar and familiar!

packergal's picture

0808,

Please STOP with the TRUMP and RODGERS bashing, ok?
Also, learn how to write and spell properly.

Packers0808's picture

Why truth about Trump and Rodgers hurt your feelings or is it the truth that does?

dobber's picture

I just don't want to have any political figures trotted around in here. It just leads to crappy discussion.

fastmoving's picture

you cannot bashing Trump he is to worse for bashing of any kind

badaxed's picture

"Rodgers suck is there is to it! He holds onto the ball so long it could hatch or he is expecting it too!"

LOL! good one but true! maybe a double yolker!

Gort's picture

0808, Please stick to football.
Go someplace else to talk politics.

Barnacle's picture

0808

Your political opinion “sucks”. You, Obama and Slocum........loud, naive and ineffective.

Houndog's picture

Just going through the motions, another uninspired game by the Packers, kinda' reflective of the McPuffy era, playing down to the competition! The Packers had a realistic chance today, if only , if, if, if !
Hopefully a house cleaning of the coaching staff will cure what we saw today. Yet I gotta feel for Petine, he'll probably be a one-n-done but I liked what he brought this year in comparison to the Capers vanilla. I'd like to see him back.
I wonder how Murphy and Gute are feeling now about 1.) letting Jared Cook walk (ala TT) and then 2.) not pulling the trigger on Kahlil Mack?

dobber's picture

"Just going through the motions"
"playing down to the competition!"

For serious?

Houndog's picture

Sorry dobber, but yeah, dead serious!
I think McCarthy's teams often played down to the level of their competition, and I think film of more than a few of their losses over the past 4-5 years will show that too.
As for going through the motions, did you see the coverage and tackling displayed by the Packers' secondary today? I did, and I've seen a lot better from the same group. You can't blame it all on Josh Jackson!
Where's the fire?

Gort's picture

The Arizona game was just going through the motions.
I saw lots of guys today that were giving pretty good effort.
They didn't roll over and play dead to inferior competition.
They just got beat by a better team.

Also, agree with Aaron Nagler's first comment:
Congrats to the Chicago Bears on winning the NFC North.

Hematite's picture

The 90's Packers were pretty good.
We're treading on 70's territory now.

Donster's picture

Yes indeed.

Donster's picture

I complement the defense for playing as well as they did to keep things close. The offensive line did pretty well too, considering what they were up against.

Yep, Rodgers missed some easy throws today. But he made some good throws too. The young, inexperienced Packer WRs showed it today. Especially down around the Bears end zone, when Rogers was scrambling. I saw a few times where the receiver ran his route, then just jogged around or stopped. That doesn't help any QB.

I would ask Philbin where the hurry up offense was? Not using it was a stupid way to game plan.

I give the team kudos for fighting it out. They could have just as easily mailed it in at halftime, or even sooner.

And foremost, I was not impressed with the Bears whatsoever. They may think they are a SB team, but they are far from it. Especially on offense.

As many of here has said, me included, we are paying the price for TT's draft and develop mentality. To many years in a row with piss poor picks have left the cupboard mostly empty. Gute has his work cut out for him, and whoever they hire as the new HC.

mrj007's picture

Boy this was a bad year for Green Bay. But...they are gonna dump a bunch of overpaid guys and get cap space. They have 2 first round picks. They are getting a new coach. And wcen Rodgers sucks now, he might be playing hurt and should be better. The team did by my account draft a number of good players this year. Even as shitty as they played all year they were still competitive. So while this year is a wash, the team is in a good position ro be the most improved team next year with an easier schedule.

PeteK's picture

Yes, the future is bright and we played some great teams down to the wire .

Jonathan Spader's picture

The Bears were the most injured team in the NFL in 2017. They got healthy, had a decent draft, better QB play, landed Mack, and a new coach. GB could very realistically have a turn around from 2018 to 2019 like the Bears had from 2017 to 2018. There isn't another Mack to trade for but with the draft capital Gute has hopefully we can get a pass rusher game changer round 1.

dobber's picture

They completely redid their receiver group through FA, also: Robinson, Gabriel, Burton. Kevin White, their #1 from a couple years ago, can't even get on the game day active roster.

AndrewInAtlanta's picture

Bears were 5-11 last year. A really good draft and a ballsy trade for an edge rusher and here they are. Things can change for us quickly also. Time to see how competent Murphy is and what Gute can do with a full year. Next 6 months will be fun :-)

mrj007's picture

I am not impressed by the ginger GM.....

dobber's picture

They spent a crap ton of money on the FA market, too.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

And the second overall pick in the 2017 draft entered his second year.

Mojo's picture

The Bears have picked 14,7,9,2 & 8 the past 5 drafts. They've benefited from an extended period of suckatude to build their roster.

CAG123's picture

Man imagine where teams like the Rams, Saints etc would be if they just jettisoned there QBs out of town for a down season. To actually here folks saying Rodgers should be traded or a new QB should be drafted in the first round is absolutely laughable someone even thought Kizer should be given a chance?! Yeah Deshon Kizer the walking turnover machine. If some of you saying this ridiculous crap were GMs your franchises would absolutely SUCK!

Coldworld's picture

I do think we underestimate how disjointed all the timing on offense has become as a result of rookies and injuries together. There is not the mutual understanding between Rodgers and his receivers. What we see now is the result. Rodgers isn’t as bad as he is being accused of being, but he also isn’t in his groove either, resulting in mediocre results on too many plays. That results in too many failed drives and too much playing from behind.

CAG123's picture

Wtf games have you watched? They were 4-1 last year and he played great the second half of the season in 2016 so what are you talking about? I saw more than enough of Kizer in 2017 and that bull he pulled in week one to know he’s trash. Another irrational moron

flackcatcher's picture

The perfect storm. Only add the dysfunction between McCarthy and Rodgers was a factor along with losing three veteran WR who could read Rodgers in their offense. ( one by trade, two to season long, and season ending injuries.)

Packers0808's picture

Rodgers hasn't played all that well the last three seasons he did play! Trying Kizer isn't crazy dumbo, you want to see if he is worth keeping or draft a QB! Rodgers is obviously washed up and needs to be replaced soon! If you can't see that by ALL the missed wide open men that Rodgers missed you need some help on your lack of football knowledge!

flackcatcher's picture

Packers are committed for the next two years to Rodgers. Cutting him would gut this team Cap wise. He's here. Get used to it.

Mojo's picture

Not only are the Packers committed to Rodgers, they want him here for the rebuild.

They like him. He's still viewed as the face of the team. He's not going anywhere.

barutanseijin's picture

Kizer is strictly a backup. The guy they need to look at is Boyle.

Skip greenBayless's picture

Thank you!! I would just prefer they give Kizer his walking papers and play the future of this franchise starting next week.

jeepingmakooi's picture

My Lord... Rodgers doesn't have a career game with a back up right tackle... Against the best d in the leaugue and everyone wants to trade him ... Christ you guys need to calm down. This bears d shut down the Rams last week.. the Rams... In the very top of the leaugue. Would it have been awesome to beat them hell yeah! But really... Time to ease up guys. Cobb and Adams and of course Mr stone hands 2018 Graham all had bad drops... And the throw to mvs... Now while I might not have been there but when I saw it live on tv mvs head wasn't even turned... Didn't look like he wanted to even try for it.

Packers0808's picture

When was the last day Rodgers had a career day with all players on deck? He is washed up and done! First round draft next year lets hope has a QB in it!

nostradanus's picture

We all feel the pain of missing the playoffs 2 years in a row, this is unacceptable. Time for the brain trust at 1265 Lombardi to earn their money.

Skip greenBayless's picture

"We all feel the pain of missing the playoffs 2 years in a row, this is unacceptable. "

lol.. Unacceptable? Try going over 20 years. This is a walk in the park. I'm glad I went thru the 70's and 80's. I can "accept" two years and laugh this season away like I did for two decades. Man, are we spoiled or what.

Citizen AJ's picture

Ok here we go . Rich Cambell , Frank Patrick , Scott Hunter , Jim Delgazo , Jerry Tagge and on and on .It could be worse !! Sorry about the spelling

jeepingmakooi's picture

Washed up? Come on man.

Since '61's picture

Everything that has hurt this team all season appeared again today.

Injuries
Poor OL play
Weak ground game
No WRs after Adams
Graham who has sucked all season turned a TD into a pick in the end zone.
Rodgers missing throws.

On defense, no one held the edge to contain Trubisky.
Poor safety play especially Brice who allowed 2 uncontested TDS
Poor tackling
No pass rush

Special team’s failure again.

Too many holes, weaknesses and injuries to expect this team to win. Rodgers injury hurt the team all season. The announcers mentioned that he still is not 100% and will have some off season repair work done.

A thoroughly forgettable season. On with the HC search. Thanks, Since ‘61

jeepingmakooi's picture

Time for the scouts and personal guys to get a jump on overall talent for the free agency and draft. Let gute and Murphy find that coach and get him in here in January so we can get this team moving in the right direction

Gort's picture

61, you hit all the highlights. About the only thing I would add is the play calling on the two "3 and out" drives in the 3rd quarter. Coach (or Rodgers) completely forgot the quick short passes. Move the chains on either of those drives and the outcome might have been different.

GVPacker's picture

Considering the Defense was without Daniels And Clark, and Mo Wilkerson I thought they did a respectable job. I'm thinking A Rods knee injury is gonna need surgery this off season. Congrats to Da Bears for winning the NFC North but They Still Suck, I can't emphasis that enough!

dobber's picture

Unless he's got cartilage floating in that knee, there's nothing surgical at this point.

Skip greenBayless's picture

Agree. I think he needs mental surgery in the off season. Let's be honest, Rodgers has issues that he needs to deal with starting with his own family.

ILPackerBacker's picture

It seems that even in the media age going and looking at a replay is beyond the effort required to type up the lazy and tendy blame Rodgers crap.

Go watch Cobb PRIOR to the 'bad throw by Rodgers'. either the ball or Cobb is not in the correct place. Watch CObb then decide who was right and who was wrong.

It is less effort to find and watch the play than to make a A$$ out of yourself on line

Touchdown Fan's picture

AR has to be better. If he plays great, we win. That is all.

flackcatcher's picture

Brice playing with a bad knee, you could see he loss a step. Injuries took the ability but not the heart from this team. This team has talent, but it was thin across the board and once the yearly wave of injuries hit we all knew that the level of play would drop. Credit the coaches for having the replacements play at an NFL level. Much will depend on who the new HC is, his style of play, and can he get QB1 to 'buy in'. Going to be an interesting off season.....

flackcatcher's picture

PS: I need a (root) beer. Sigh...........

Gort's picture

Oh, crap! I owe a root beer to the guy at work.

nostradanus's picture

Congratulations to the Bears, they are by far the best team in the NFC North, interesting how a team can turn its fortunes around in a year or two by having a competent and aggressive front office and coaching staff.

As for the Packers they have been cruising down the NFC North for a decade making mincemeat of the Bears, Lions and Vikings.
Then the band burned out and broke up.
The lead guitar player Rodgers remains but it’s time to put a great band around him again.

Rock on Packers!

PAPackerbacker's picture

Honestly, it looked like a MM lead team out there. Horrible play calling, bad game management, and I doubt if Mike Philbin, oops Joe Philbin, becomes the head coach next year. Opportunities to score were wasted away with piss poor play selection and execution. Hopefully the Packers get some good draft picks and a good head coach in 2019.

GVPacker's picture

Two years in a row! It Sucks The Big Wet One when the Packers don't get to play in the tournament. I feel especially bad for the City Of Green Bay and the Loss of Revenue they will surely miss out on. But this site is a great way to share the pain with my fellow CheeseHeads!!!!

byu.tech's picture

mr aron nagler, it is time you quit on journalism.
may be cheese maker is better, still cheese is.

sincerely,
francesco from Italia.

Gort's picture

Troll be gone!

pacman's picture

What did you guys expect with barely any starting O or D line? Everyone knew this game was disaster waiting to happen. Once again the D held up as best as could be expected. It was the O that struggled. Dropped passes, overthrown passes. Running game was surprising consider the O line.

Seems like AR did complete many more short passes than previously in the season. But there should have been even more. And if he can't hit the open receivers downfield, then he is indeed past his prime and time to think about drafting a start QB if one is available. Isn't this about where the Packers drafted him with reference to Favre's career?

Packers0808's picture

Let this sink in the last QB from Green Bay to win a road game was, Brett Hundley! What does that say about Rodgers play?

Denise Chanterelle's picture

Well. Whole lotta of off-season left!

jyros's picture

Christmas wishes for 2018.

Rodgers finishes season on IR and put him in the booth to call plays.

Find an upgrade to coach special teams.

Top ten draft pick

WinUSA's picture

So... we couldn’t wait for two years to sign Rodgers who now owns half of the City of Green Bay. I wonder what Einstein in the front office made that decision. Management grade for the season F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fthisJack's picture

Rodgers is a big reason why this offense sucks so bad this year. he holds the ball too long and has too many throwaways. also, I have never seen a QB be so inaccurate on his passes for the entire year. if he makes half the deep throws that would have been TYD's we're in the playoffs! he definitely needs a strong QB coach next year to work on his mechanics! he said he wants to be coached....well coach him up...he needs it!

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